God I loved this movie. I can't wait to go see it again at the kinoplex
Best movie of 2022
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God I loved this movie. I can't wait to go see it again at the kinoplex. Best movie of 2022
It's not playing anymore, they had to make room for Jurassic Park 6: Jurassic World 3: Dominion and Despicable Me 5: Minions 2: The Rise of Gru.
Still playing for a few more days in my country.
Worth watching at the theater, if only to see Lea's glorious nudity, the stranded ships and the performance scenes.
It's not perfect, drags a bit, actors are under-rehearsed (their lines are often said w a vaguely theatrical flow) but the movie is good and worth watching. It seems a bit too short and at least 2 implied narrative lines are left : the horizontal slit made by the surgeon and the inner beauty contest. But the overall result is engaging enough. Lea was particularly good.
>(their lines are often said w a vaguely theatrical flow)
have you never seen a cronenberg movie before?
I unironically loved the angle Kristen approached her role
>Lea was particularly good.
at giving me a bhoner
Kristen Stewart and the black cop were the best performances, they embodied the characters they were playing. Mortensen and Seydoux were the big names, but they were just ok.
I’m glad I caught it at the kinoplex.
I watched it on my projector. Love me some big French nipples.
>nipples
i will now watch your movie
>little boy wiener
that wont stop me
couldn’t help but laugh whenever it cut to Viggo in his ninja suit squatting in a corner
Kino outfit. Though I read somewhere that he did that because Viggo had a back injury while filming and could barely stand up.
So...what was the movie really about?
It's a satire of the art scene and a transhumanist story: humans "evolve" to eat plastic. Many aspects are just suggested but that's the gist of it.
They don't evolve to eat plastic. The plastic-eating comes from a surgery and is done for political purposes ("humans will have to eat their own industrial waste" or something like that), with the exception of the boy, who's born as a plastic-eater already.
I don't think the inner beauty contest is "left", in the end we get to know that it would be fake, the Organ Register guy directly says Viggo would win in whatever category. I feel the horizontal slid is part of Viggo's arc as well: he starts to accept mutations/neo-organs (even though this one doesn't come from his body but from outside it, it's a start so to speak.) I may be wrong, though: I'm not well read on Cinema
>They don't evolve to eat plastic
>oh except the boy born with that ability
nice breakdown, chief.
Viggo explains that it's like cutting off your pinkie finger and having children that are born without one.
His father (and 1000s of people around the word) acquires this ability through surgery.
He (1 boy) supposedly inherited it from his father. But as Viggo himself says, that doesn't make sense (if a guy cut his own finger his son wouldn't be born fingerless). The boy's organs were altered post-death as revealed by Detective Cope, and we know that there's surgery for neo-organs (both because of the og plastic eaters and the ziplock guy), and as we also know that there was a political interest in having a natural plastic-eater...
But I digress, the point is that the boy is the only one who supposedly "evolved" to eat plastic, not the other tons of plastic-eaters around the world, although there is the possibility that the children of plastic-eaters will "evolve" to be plastic eaters, but that's outside the movie.
>The boy's organs were altered post-death as revealed by Detective Cope
Did you miss the part where K-Stew was a government mole who operated on the body so they could cover it up?
Not to mention that at the end it's revealed that Viggo himself is a natural plastic eater
>K-Stew operated on the body
(As revealed by Detective Cope)
>Viggo's a natural plastic eater
I felt the ending to be quite ambiguous but I'm not sure.
The ending showed Viggo feeling relief from the pain. I understand why you think it's ambiguous, but if he had been poisoned by the plastic, he would be writhing in pain like the other guy who gets poisoned earlier.
Hmm I hadn't considered this but now that you say it I understand it. Thanks, anons, you were good board frens today.
An actual movie discussion on Cinemaphile. Well played anons
>(As revealed by Detective Cope)
My point was that you kept using the word "supposedly" in your post but that's purely your conjecture, the kid could naturally eat plastic and they only modified his organs covertly so they could hide this, as confirmed by Cope.
>I felt the ending to be quite ambiguous but I'm not sure.
No ambiguity, Viggo having problems eating normal food is a reoccurring motif in the film. At the end he chows down on plastic and cries because he can finally eat like a normal person.
It's not just that he's a "plastic eater," and it's not just that he's finally free from pain, it's that he's lost his humanity. The whole organ registration thing was an attempt to contain humanity from evolving into something new, and that new species of non-humans turns out to be the plastic eaters. Now that he's developed a new digestive system he's no longer human.
But is that a bad thing? Viggo suffers the entire movie because he rebels against his body and mutilates it. But in the end, he accepts his own body and the changes that come with it, and finds joy and relief for the first time. In a way, it's very uplifting.
It's bitter sweet. Yes, he finally can be at peace, but the human race is doomed. We're all doomed to this disgusting neo-organ, zipper vegana, surgical sex, toxic waste food future. Personally I'd rather die.
As much as our primordial seafaring ancestors were doomed to walk on land.
It's evolution, nothing lasts forever.
it's not evolution, it's mutation. Evolution happens so slowly an extinction level event is more likely to happen before anything so severe happens to the human race. It would take millions of years for us to, say, finally lose our vestigial coxis or male nipples, and it would take 100 times longer for us to develop new organs like in the film.
Mutations are essential to evolution, the frick you talking about?
eh, euthanasia would probably be legalized.
But I suppose that if more humans were plastic-eaters then Nature would heal™ somewhat?
I'm absolutely fine with that evolutionary path. Wouldn't bother me at all, just as I'm perfectly content with my computer and degen porn and violent movies and all this modern stuff that drives other people insane.
>lost his humanity
Who decides what is human? The government? From Viggo pov he's as human as it getd
The black officer literally tells Viggo that the police autopsy revealed the boy to be a natural plastic eater
>His father (and 1000s of people around the word) acquires this ability through surgery.
But not his kid, as the father himself acknowledges.
> But as Viggo himself says, that doesn't make sense
And yet the same happens to Viggo in the final scene.
>The boy's organs were altered post-death
The organs seem to have been altered (tattoos etc) but the body had no scars. If it was meant as a twist, it does so by manipulating the expectations set by the narrative: oh no, look, in THIS case we can have altered organs without any scars.
It remains vague and aligned with Cronenberg's obvious lifelong inspiration. William Burrough's noir/dystopian novels where these layers of conspiracy are left unresolved
i got the impression that people in general are in the process of evolving to eat plastic, but it's gradual and only two instances are shown of people who naturally make the complete transition (the boy who was like that from birth and eventually viggo when he stops cutting out the new organs). but meanwhile a lot of others are stuck in a partial state where they can't eat plastic yet but already have trouble with normal food (the dad of the boy mentions "the eating problem that we have"). society in general is ignorant of the evolutionary change (or rather it is being suppressed) and only tries to alleviate digestion problems with the wacky chairs and beds, suppressing the symptoms and ignoring the root cause. the plastic eater faction tries to move forward instead, by accelerating the process of change via surgery. at the same time they believe in the boy as proof that surgery will eventually not be necessary at all.
yeah, that's about it. I believe Cronenberg had a very specific idea in mind and he intended to be as clear as possible, there's no room for interpretation in this film.
> there's no room for interpretation in this film.
There's plenty, even if Cronenberg did have a definitive idea in mind. These things are not mutually incompatible-- in fact, several directors, writers etc prefer to leave room for interpretation.
Imbecile
Go on, lad.
>They don't evolve to eat plastic.
As you mention the Brecken kid does. So does Vigo's character. That could arguably have been the result of the horizontal slit surgery, but he was already feeling a new organ and having difficulties swallowing before it.
>I don't think the inner beauty contest is "left"
It literally is a loose end, it is prominently mentioned over and over and never shown. It disappears from the narrative. The surgery on Viggo's character simply opens a pouch so to speak. and its narrative purpose remains vague as well.
My mom knows
Cronenberg's worst movie. Even worse than Spider
Holy frick spider was boring
A Dangerous Method is his worst by far-- just a boring, uneventful biopic w cringe Kiera Knightley overacting
Filtered
What's up with her and the other lesbian?
They're supposed to be agents making sure body exploration doesn't go too far.
I like the allusion to actual feds who monitored some of the crazy druggie culture from the 60s
>all plotlines just drop in the end
bravo Cronenberg
The movie's more about Viggo's character arc. But yeah the script was underdeveloped
Frick off moron
Could have been an hour longer
Soundtrack was pretty great too
Was good, but felt like it needed another hour. The end was abrupt and underwhelming. Fantastic boobies though
marathoned 5 minutes of it so far. What I am in for Cronenbros?
A bad time. It's shit.
Kino of the highest order.
>black officer
It's cope for you, detective cope.
No offense to Detective Cope, but the actor who played him was incredibly bad. No emotion and it felt like he had trouble remembering his lines
No offense to him here either. It broke the immersion a little bit and he felt more like a youtuber than an actual detective, idk how to explain it. It was kinda fun though, seeing him as the only black guy in the movie (I think?) acting alongside actors that were obviously much more experienced.
Costume design was horrible for him too. Hey, we got this guy who's supposed to be a fed, let's put him in some jeans and a button t-shirt.
Did you not notice how his costume, accent, and affectation contrasted completely with almost every single other character in the movie? It's not like they ran out of budget and only had a henley to give him.
Take Vigo. He dresses like a ninja, wears a mask, poses and stands and crouches in all these weird ninja positions. It's artificial, exaggerated, dramatic.
Cope is the opposite, he's natural, dressed like how people dress IRL, his speech patterns are not dramatic or effected. He is a natural and realistic character, representing a standard human. Even his race plays into that, being that humanity came from Africa. He's very dark skinned, he isn't a mutt or anything.
But being that he's a fed, and a liar, you have to ask if the artificial is more real than the natural, if humanity is an artificial race in a sense, that we play characters and creatively invent ourselves. Is trying to be natural and down to earth a "cope" that is just as fake as anything else?
>humanity came from Africa
Lol
What sin have I committed that I should be destined to write well thought out posts on Cinemaphile and only have cretins reply to me.
Nice analysis, even though Cronie probably just picked the wrong guy
TY.
From what I've seen of talking about this movie, people seem to focus on the plastic eating sci-fi a lot and skip over the artistic and theatrical themes in the movie.
A staged life or identity is as transhumanistic as the surgery and mutations, people are living artificial lives as artificial people and want artificial bodies to match.
Even the plastic eating cell, their big plan is to simply show the world a boy that can eat plastic, to display their activism for clout and "awareness". They are interested in appearances, even though they live in secret.
>being that humanity came from Africa
I'll reddit space for clarity.
>It's not like they ran out of budget
True, true. But here's a counterpoint: he dresses professionally, we only ever see sim as Detective Cope, never as Cope, the man. It makes sense for him to dress and behave the way he does: professionally. Very little "personality" in the "personal" sense (pardon me if I'm not being clear).
>if the artificial is more real than the natural, if humanity is an artificial race in a sense, that we play characters and creatively invent ourselves.
Contributing with this (and also with him being African) there's the fact that he doesn't properly belong in the world of the movie. His relationship to the mutilation thing is purely profissional: he's not in it for the art, for the politics, etc., he's just doing his job. Plus he's the only black character.
In his final scene when he speaks with Viggo he makes the (non-professional) comment that
"KStew wants to be your caprice, if you catch my drift." A comment that is pretty much ignored. In his professional role he's not accepted, in his "social" (true or fake) role he's also not accepted, although Viggo himself pretty much shuns a lot of the characters throughout the movie.
Viggo's rebellion against his bodily mutations until pretty much the very ending (except if you count the ziplock scene as being some sort of acceptance), and his comments about "not really being an artist," (I might be misremembering) and the bureaucrat comment about him being a "glorified organ donor" also showcases this artificiality in a sense: he would probably be completely unable to function as a normal member of society with all his conditions, less socially attractive, and so on (we know he wouldn't be able to get young prime pussy if he was not playing the mysterious creative role).
Cope looks comfortable in his own shell, though, while Viggo's obviously not. I feel picrel (8 pages) could help understand some of the other characters.
your argument isn't clear, try again.
>"KStew wants to be your caprice, if you catch my drift.
what he says is that KStew tattooed the boy's internal organs to ruin the surgery, she was the boy's Caprice, because that's what Caprice used to do with Viggo's new organs.
surprisingly he's described as a white ginger dude in the script. not that I have a huge problem with them casting some black guy instead but they should have chosen someone who can speak english and pull off the role. the actor is fairly experienced apparently but this looks to have been his first english role.
Damn where'd you get the script? I looked it up but couldn't find it. Mind sharing a link?
The movie seems clearly under-rehearsed and Cronenberg's script is literally, and the actor himself isn't very good.
I didn't even realize it was in theaters before it fricking left I was pissed.
Do I hate plastic? Yes. Do I hate trannies (transhumanists)? Yes. Did I like this movie despite it hating both those thing? No.
Eh, I think the movie could have use another 30-40 mins to flesh out the factions, it had some neat ideas tho, loved Kristen's sex face.
Also I couldn't help but laugh whenever they cut into someone eating on those machines.
Di somebody else saw the parallels between Saul Tenser & Caprice and Bob Flanagan & Sheree?
Also Bob performed on the video for Happiness in Slavery of Nine Inch Nails
He voluntary straps himself to a chair that could be a precedent of the Sark Autopsy Module
https://archive.org/details/happiness-in-slavery
Yes, this is pretty good
Are you having a stroke?
Is it realistic that a 60 year old man has two prime young girls thirsting after him?
He's a famous artist. He's still handsome, mysterious (even if only because he plays the silent type, if your social enough to go out but not social enough to actually properly socialize wymen will see you as mysterious as well).
Considering the amount of young women that thirst over men over 50 like Willem Defoe it's the most realistic part of the movie
some chicks are already into older guys and if you're some sort of hip artist/intellectual you are guaranteed college girl pussy no matter how you look, at least in europe
clearly you don't understand the power of fame
consciously or unconsciously, they perceived he was part of the future of human race, that's the one you want to breed with. it's like choosing the strongest alpha of the pack.
>tfw you'll never watch Crimes of The Future for the first time while eating crab legs on a BreakFaster chair
This movie was garbage disguised as le garbaj and if you liked it you fell for a story about howdegenrerate arteests can never be understood. Holy shit drone berg is senile and you shitheads are sucking his wiener. I hate you all so much like you wouldn’t believe.
Give me my ten dollars back cronenberg you pretentioussenile shit.
filtered
Go back to sniffing farts while admiring le art on Netflix you imbecile
Why you don't try to understand the film instead of getting mad that you didn't understand it?
You're probably not that really this stupid anon, you just have emotional problems that get in the way of you being able to think things through.
lol ok let’s jerk off while silly billy characters on screen all jerk off to le misunderstood sci fi surgery arteests and go ooh and aah wow what art I’m arrest now too so much wow
Frick off kid if this is the alternative to capeshit sig me up for quipmaster Thor 8 electric frickayoo
You know the film is critical of the artists? You're not supposed to think they're special and fawn over them like kstew's character. They're not "le misunderstood".
>sign me up for capeshit
lol
Wise up anon, stop being moronic.
Oh wow so you admit cronenberg was TRYING to make a shit movie huh? Wow so very bohemian of you to see that as a masterpiece wow. It was garbage at the level of a ten year olds take on satire, and you’re a double Black person chimp level moron for 5inking it high art of some sort in that case. Frick you.
stop trolling me
the film was kino, it wasn't bad or bad on purpose.
Eating plastic is the future. So is organ tattooing.
it's too boring
Existenz is to this day the only midly interesting Kornenburg movie
Quickly reminder: being a contrarian doesn't make you look smarter
explain Red Letter Media then
>Red Letter Media
They look and sound pretty stupid to me
this movie boring as frick and moronic beyond belief
Boring shit. Why is this leftist gay afraid of action scenes? They had all these cool mutants and no bit where the hero has to race a car through a tunnel and shoot all the mutants that are swarming over the walls. Waste of film.
Shit bait
kstew arousing but the entire movie is garbage
This and MEN were pretentious trash.
>watching men
Men was an awful movie with good cinematography, Crimes of the Future is a good movie with okayish cinematography.
I may be called a moron for saying this but it reminded me a lot of the OG Blade Runner. Its story and themes are compelling yet underdeveloped, but the music, aesthetics and performances really rope in and makes you remember the movie long after you've watched it
Not to mention that it's a movie that most people won't understand or enjoy, but will probably develop a small cult following in a few years
you're not at all wrong. I was thinking exactly the same thing. Even the world building is reminiscent of a different flavour cyberpunk style
That's because both share similar roots, tropes and atmosphere going back to William Burroughs-- in fact, the title Blade Runner comes from a Burroughs short novel.
Crimes of the Future has the same energy of previous Cronenberg movies such as the other crime of the Future, Naked Lunch and Existenz.
I don't think it owes nothing to Burroughs
I think this is another stone on the Ballardian wall he started making on Stereo
You have no idea what you're talking about. Which Burroughs novels have you read?
It's also only very vaguely related to Ballard, whose interests were more focused in society, sexuality and information than physiology per se
M Butterfly and Dead Ringers, for instance, are more Ballardian-- also some aspects of the 1st Crimes of the Future
You can like Burroughs as much as you want to but I've read a lot of Burroughs and Ballard and trust me, Cronenberg is far, FAR, Ballardian
And it's not something I said, is something he has said countless times throught the years
The "five minutes into the future" formula that Ballard perfected is seen on almost every sci-fi movie from Cronenberg not just those three (M Butterfly btw is such a poor example)
Burroughs on the other hand apart from the Nova trilogy never touched Sci-fi at all, he was more interested in bringing back again surrealism and dadaism
But ok, I know you can't take that there are other anons out there that knows their shit pretty well
No, I don't trust you because
1)you make no real counterargument and
2)the links between Cronenberg's filmography and Burroughs are well-known, acknowledged by Cronenberg himself (they were friends) and, in the specific case of Crimes of the Future, abundant and easy to spot: Viggo himself and reviews on Variety and Criterion highlighted them.
These include:
-the mysterious, faceless, noirish police/secret service/government agencies, often at odds with each other
-deadpan humor
-use of vaguely defined substances
-the organic/machine interplay
-the nondescript, fuzzy territory/interzone with specific social norms
etc
Ballard is another subject: M.Butterfly's mix of sexuality and high culture is 100% Ballardian-- but you have to read him to know that.
Is this actually going to have a cinematic release in the UK?
Wasnt this the movie that supposedly people were going to be so turned off they'd talk out on?
>"Some of the people who have seen the film have said that they think the last 20 minutes will be very hard on people, and that there'll be a lot of walkouts. Some guy said that he almost had a panic attack… But I'm not convinced that that will be a general reaction."
It was a little grotesque in moments, but I thought the last 20 minutes were pretty chill
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