>cast Bryan Cranston in his first major role since Breaking Bad ended
>make him the only interesting character in your movie
>kill him off a third of the way in
What were they thinking?
Godzilla (2014)
>cast Bryan Cranston in his first major role since Breaking Bad ended
>make him the only interesting character in your movie
>kill him off a third of the way in
What were they thinking?
He shouldn't even have been in there, instead they should have shown more Godzilla, you know the thing we came to see
brainlet take
we didn't see Jaws for the first hour of the movie and you probably slurp up that slop
an unsean threat creates suspense
Godzilla wasn't the threat, or did you not watch the movie?
Who needs a visual threat when your breath is in the room.
Everyone else in your theater was terrified by what they thought was smell-o-vision of Godzilla's dirty radioactive sea-bottom butthole.
Godzilla is ever present in every movie he's in. He's not a spooky shark in the water. He's several hundred feet tall and extremely hard to miss. This isn't Mimic, Alien, or Predator. It's Big Fricking Monster. The suspense from Godzilla is that he's a massive, unstoppable obstacle that must be stopped. Not that he could be lurking in the shadows ready to pounce. Hiding him in his movies is not understanding the appeal.
>He's several hundred feet tall and extremely hard to miss.
You'd think that, but in the 2014 movie the monsters sneak up on people and each other several times.
Creating anticipation is the whole point of every Godzilla movie and any and all creature features. You want the suspense and build up to create hype and intense moments for when the creature finally does make its entrance. Showing it early and too often will lose your audience and numb them to this creature you've based an entire movie around. You can't have 1.5+ hours of monster action your audience will get numb. How would you even fill in that time? Have Godzilla walk around beating up monsters for almost 2 hours?
Do exactly what minus one did. Have him skreonk and stomp shit and then have (important) likeable characters try to deal with the fallout.
>Showing it early and too often will lose your audience
Not really. Godzilla has some decent screentime in Minus One and once he gets to the city, it is more tense than ever because they show how normal people have to escape him including the main character. You see how shit was fricked, the amount of casualties brought up by him and they don't have a problem showing a few mothers running away with their kids. Meanwhile in Godzilla 2014 you only see the fallout of that shit and there isn't a lot. The film makers and producers don't wanna focus on the people but more on the military and how heckin epic and noble they are since they got sponsered by them
I'm not arguing impact of Godzilla, I'm arguing screentime. Part of what makes Minus One so good is exactly what you said, the human fallout is actually interesting. But to hone in on the fallout you have to remove the monster from the picture to showcase it. Hence, less screentime. You actually have a decent story for a change with the humans which means you can spend less time with Godzilla on screen.
>and once he gets to the city, it is more tense than ever
Exactly my point. And how often did you see Godzilla before that? He fricked up some planes at the very beginning and some boats later on, but that's it. It takes almost an hour to get to that point in the film and Godzilla barely had any screen time, but finally the tension comes to its peak and that can't happen if you see Godzilla fricking shit up the whole time before it. That's how you create anticipation and make a good movie monster. You get glimpses / warnings/ just a bit of screentime, build some tension, then unleash them. If they're there the whole time without any focus on the characters and what they have going on then it's just monsters wreaking havoc for two hours.
>But to hone in on the fallout you have to remove the monster from the picture to showcase it.
No you don't. You actually saw what happened before the fallout which is in stark contrast to Shitzilla 2014.
Why do you keep bringing up 2014 like I'm defending it or something? And yes, you do. That's why we spent a half hour after Godzilla's attack on the city with humans grieving and coming up with ideas to stop him. Again, if your creature takes up too much screentime then the movie gets boring fast. It's about anticipation and making a movie monster interesting, especially if they don't evolve, not 2014 which for some reason has poisoned your brain enough to bring it up in every post.
>like I'm defending it or something?
That's because you do. Hell you're doing it right now. Are you stupid?
>Again, if your creature takes up too much screentime then the movie gets boring fast.
No it doesn't. That's something you made up. I've never heard anyone complain about their Godzilla movie having too much Godzilla. It was always the other way around with a Godzilla film not having enough of him like your favourite movie Shitzilla 2014
>which for some reason has poisoned your brain enough to bring it up in every post
Are you unable to follow your own discussion or something? This is a thread about Shitzilla 2014 and you replied how it's totally not heckin' valid to complain about it not having enough Godzilla because you like Jaws, a fairly mediocre Shark film
I didn't bring up 2014 a single time except to say that you were constantly bringing it up. You are delusional and need medication.
>That's something you made up.
No, I didn't. That's storytelling 101. There's no sense of drama in a monster that's constantly in your face.
>This is a thread about Shitzilla 2014
The comment I was originally replying to is an overall comment on how monsters should be portrayed in film. I disagreed. Go be moronic elsewhere.
>I didn't bring up 2014 a single time
>I came to a Godzilla 2014 thread to argue in favoure of Godzilla 2014 mentioning Jaws but I'm totally not defending it
Lmao
>That's storytelling 101
So you made it up and you're hiding behind popular buzzwords now, got it. Storytelling 101 for you: Have Godzilla in your Godzilla movie for more than 5 minutes clearly visible to the audience so they know what they can get invested in
>The comment I was originally replying to is an overall comment
Sure dude. It's just coincidence you're were very defensive towards that film when someone said it was moronic that Godzilla wasn't in his movie.
Point to one instance of me defending 2014 and I'll concede. You can't. All you can really do is make schizophrenic leaps in logic to say that I'm talking about 2014 when in reality I was simply talking about how monsters should be portrayed in film.
>Why do you keep bringing up 2014 like I'm defending it or something?
Because you’re defending it, and also, because you’re gay.
The guy treating you like you're defending it is an utter moron.
moron
They had to hide Jaws because the robot shark barely worked, not because the director had a thing about wienerteasing the audience like Edwards did with Godzilla.
I'm going to create suspense in your life anon
The difference is that the movie in between the shark attacks in Jaws is really good as well.
wienerteasing Godzilla's appearance didn't build suspense, it made me tune out.
100% correct but the Godzilla posters have consistently proven some of the dumbest fricks on Cinemaphile ever since they shilled Shin Godzilla so hard and tricked people into watching it, most of them are probably Cinemaphile crossposters
>unsean
thanks for the pearls of wisdom moron
>he doesn't enjoy unshawn threads
Smh anon
*threats
At least when we actually do see him it's great.
I honestly don't mind the movie being a bit sparing with Godzilla, just makes his few scenes pop that much more. Especially since when he is on screen they go all out.
This but the son character. Once the mutos and goji are out it's time to send the soldiers to the background
It's the best (western) Godzilla film by miles, you got filtered
>It's the best (western) Godzilla film by miles
Which still makes it a steaming pile of shit even when compared to the worst Toho Godzilla film.
They needed to subvert your expectations by not showing Godzilla.
EXPECTATIONS: SUBVERTED
Honestly, as much as I usually hate post modernism, I do like the "Jaws take" on Godzilla and focusing on the destruction in the city around him. And killing Cranston's scientist dad and focusing on his son dealing with it I thought worked.
Yeah. Also the new monsters that Godzilla shows up to take out as the alpha predator.
Now I do think it was far from flawless, but I was surprised that an American Godzilla film did so good. Sadly Legendary Studios got bought out by Chinese companies and the sequels show it. They even killed off the big Japanese actor's character and added Chinese ones.
>Sadly Legendary Studios got bought out by Chinese companies and the sequels show it. They even killed off the big Japanese actor's character and added Chinese ones.
Is THAT why they killed Ken Watanabe's character? Fricking Chinks.
That wouldn't make sense since the movie very much celebrates the american military might. Hell they use the nuke as something good lmao
I wonder if this movie killed his acting career. He hasn’t been in anything notable since.
He was nominated for an academy award the next year and 2 years after that he starred in The Upside with Kevin Hart, which made over 100 million domestically, so it wasn't Godzilla that did it. I just don't think he picks very good movies to be in most of the time.
not the guy, but it was a pretty forgettable movie. If it weren't for the let them fight meme, I'd have forgotten the other monsters too.
>The Upside with Kevin Hart, which made over 100 million domestically
Never heard of this and I believe I've heard of every other american movie that made 100mil
I remember hearing they wanted him in the movie but he didn't wanna be in it for very long
Godzilla 2016 and KOTM had opposite problems
2016
>Fight scenes are good but there's like 2 in the whole movie and both are at the end
KOTM
>way more fight scenes but they cut away right as it's getting good to show the humans reacting and then cuts back and we missed everything.
>KOTM
>>way more fight scenes but they cut away right as it's getting good to show the humans reacting and then cuts back and we missed everything.
This is a absolute fricking lie. 2014 is when they cut away for extended periods. 2019 they cut away but it was for vastly shorter moments than 2014.
in 2014 there were 2 early cutaways that were huge blue ballers. But at the end when we finally see him throw down we got much better and clearer fights than in KOTM
KOTM just frustrated the shit out of me
>Rodan collides with Ghidora
>cuts away, miss most of the fight
>Mothra about to fight Rodan
>cut away, miss most of the fight
>shaky cam for a lot of the action
Like god damn just let me SEE THE FIGHT. Pacific Rim figured that shit out years beforehand. Did they run out of CGI budget?
Godzilla v Kong was a ridiculously bad movie, but the actions scenes were actually comprehensible and fun. 2014 had barely any action but when they finally delivered it was good shit.
I hate that literally ALL of Rodan's good scenes are already in the trailers. If you watched the trailers you got all there was to get from Rodan in this movie. Which fricking kills me because this is a badass design for him.
The part where he sonic boom claps his wings and ascends into the clouds is easily the single best part of the movie.
my favorite part is when he gets his cheeks clapped sonically
>. If you watched the trailers
pleb
The trailers were fricking everywhere back in 2019, you couldn't avoid them.
And they were kino trailers, too, excellent use of "Clare de Lune."
No I am talking about just within the finale they follow the soldiers far far far too much. During the last 4th of Kotm they mostly only cut to the humans very briefly see -
I just watched KotM yesterday and it has about as much screentime for Godzilla as the original. The fricking Kong v Godzilla film has more Godzilla despite King Kong being the moster protagonist who also has decent screentime
i actually think Kong has the best pacing and knows more of what it is than the other 2
Yeah. That movie was mostly fun. Still could have done without that Stranger Things girl but at least you got what you actually paid for and more.
Not to mention Mechagodzilla is a fun surprise, he wasn't in any of the trailers or promo material so when he pops up in Hong Kong it's a ton of fun. He's a tough son of a b***h, too, as is proper.
God you're such a homosexual. That shit was corny.
>corny
All i need to hear, i can understand someone simply not wanting to watch it but you're clearly a pseud moron
Talking about me because I didn't like Godzilla versus King Kong will be taken as a compliment. You are as shifty as the movie is.
>as shifty as the movie is
Well it's a good movie.
the movie is literally trash with very shitty cgi.
2014
> Monsters
> Soldier
> Soldier
> Soldier
> Solider
> Soldier
> Monsters
> Soldier
> Solider
> Soldier
2019
> monsters
> humans
> monsters
> humans
> monsters
> monsters
> humans
> monsters
> humans
It's called Shin Godzilla. No one calls it Godzilla 2016
Legendary shills aren't paid for their encyclopedic knowledge of the franchise anon. It's why they are so easy to spot. Real knows real and it's hard to fake a deep knowledge of a film catalogue as expansive as the Toho Godzilla franchise.
He obviously meant 2014, dummies. Godzilla doesn't fight any monsters in Shin.
>Godzilla doesn't fight any monsters in Shin.
Nip governmental bureaucracy is the true monster anon.
No talk about monsters, just fight scenes. Godzilla 2016 is Shin Godzilla.
>KOTM
They both cut away but 2014 was worse about it. It would cut whenever Goji moved.
Bro. You know what should have happened. Everyone does.
Monarch (or whatever corporate conglomerate that eventually made Mechagodzilla) should have kept Cranston's brain on ice, then revived him in a head jar. Slowly experimenting on him while convincing him that either Godzilla is directly responsible for his anf his wife's deaths, OR Titans in general. Then, in GvK, use HIS brain to pilot Mechagodzilla with the Ghidorah head instead of the nameless sceneless son of Japanese "let them fight" guy. Then, after a few slick digitized Heisenberg lines (maybe -Say my NAME- while he splits the skull crawler in half) then HE can be the one to redeem himself at the end and disable MechaG instead of the MBB crew of clowns that no one asked for, once he realizes the equilibrium of Alpha titans and cooperation between G and K. Then he dies, finally, after his redemption.
Boom. I fixed the Monsterverse.
>mechagodzilla puts on a giant pork pie
>"I am the danger"
>bass boosted breaking bad theme starts playing as mechagodzilla starts wreking shit
Yeah I think this would have been a more enjoyable experience
cope, it was a good movie
>no nogs
>no strong wahmen
>no troons
You are a caricature of a person at best
My problem wasn't with him dying but he should've been offed near the end in a sacrifice for his son
>Call the movie Godzilla
>It's 90% Military propgaganda
>5% Cranston
>5% Godzilla
Anyone here watch that Monarch show?
It was ok. Clearly they lacked budget for more monsters.
No way. They made a show about these shitters everyone hated
Kurt Russel was fun at least.
It had lesbians, I fricking hate homosexuals so hard pass. Tired of media shoving homosexual shit down our throats and morons slopping it up.
I’m tired of straight shit being shoved down our throats all day LOL
It was complete fricking dogshit, terrible acting, the most unlikeable characters I've ever seen, terrible nothing plot that bores you to tears, gay shit, about 2 minutes of godzilla over the course of NINE HOURS.
Terrible writing and acting
Only the flashbacks were okay
The problem wasn't killing off Cranston's character, the problem was that there wasn't another actor with a interesting character to carry the movie for the last two thirds. They expected the monsters to carry it, but then didn't deliver.
There's zero reason why cranston shouldn't have survived instead beyond Aaron Taylor Johnson blowing a producer
2014 is a masterpiece compared to the new legendary slop
And they're both hot garbage compared to Minus One and Shin Godzilla.
Seriously, americans should not be allowed to touch this franchise anymore.
kys godzilla 2014 was kino
No, it sucked, and you have terrible taste in movies if you think this piece of shit was even passable.
>you just mad that it focus on hooman characterz
No, shut your mouth.
Minus One focused plenty on human characters, and yet the characters in that movie were actually compelling and interesting.
kys dweeb
Nah, Legendary isn't great but 2014 is their worst Monsterverse movie by a long shot. At least the new ones are trying to be fun monster movies instead of a boring "subversive" slog.
You don't understand what subversive means. The original Godzilla had the same time for Godzilla as the 2014 American version did. If anything is subversion then the other Yankee crap films are.
>The original Godzilla had the same time for Godzilla as the 2014 American version did
The difference is the original film actually shows you Godzilla during his screentime, while every time he shows up in 2014 it hides him and wienerteases you.
If you actually watch 1954 you'll see the difference, it's like night and day. 2014 felt like Hollywood wanting another Cloverfield instead of actually being interested in making a kaiju movie.
Cloverfield is a "kaiju" movie just made by Americans.
It's influenced by kaiju but it doesn't feel much like an actual Japanese kaiju movie, it has more in common with old American monster movies like the giant insect flicks of the 50s.
Pacific Rim felt more like an actual attempt to be a western kaiju movie. I do like Cloverfield though.
I wish they hadn't cast that charlie hunnam guy or whatever his name is in Pacific Rim. I can't stand that guy for some reason and won't watch anything he's in. I tried to watch it and couldn't even make it through his opening narration. he's like nails on a chalkboard to me.
This is easily one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in my life
No it wasn't you're exaggerating
Nope
Bait and switch marketing.
100%. Disgusting shit. I really liked Cranstone's character then they switched him for his charisma vacuum son.
Michael Dougherty is the only person in the MonsterVerse who actually cared about Godzilla.
It wasn't Cranstonzilla you fricking moron.
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Cute!
I love how these freaks get two particularly brutal deaths.
>male Muto: tail slap
>female Muto: decapitation by atomic breath
Kino monster design
gareth edwards wasnt thinking
he got jealous that minue one had godzilla for more than 2mins in it
yeah butthole, godzilla should star in his own movie if he's in the title
>yeah butthole, godzilla should star in his own movie if he's in the title
No anon, people came to see Kickass be sad that he can't see his family. Nobody wants to watch some dumb lizard.
>lizard
I'm pretty sure he's a reptile
What kind of moron goes to see a Godzilla movie because a TV actor was cast in it and complains the problem with the movie is not enough of that guy?
Watched that movie with a buddy who didn't know BB or MitM and he was glad he died. Said he was too histrionic with his constant screaming and crying. He was glad the remaining MC was more of a blank slate.
I remember this movie because it's one of the few I wanted to see shortly after quitting my job and I actually drove to a matinee showing to watch all by my lonesome. I found the movie too far-fetched compared to the original and cringed at the environmental messaging or whatever bullshit it was. Probably the first movie I left the theater regretting watching and it would've been better with friends or family.
>protagonist is a generic cop or soldier
>his girlfriend/wife is a doctor or nurse and spends the whole movie in a hospital, which keeps her out of the plot while creating the illusion that she has agency and is doing something important (saving lives!)
A tried and true formula, I suppose.
The last true Godzilla kino.
Did you just wake up from a coma?
Haven't seen Minus One but I wasn't big on Shin, and the near-constant praise unironically makes me worried because my tastes don't usually align with 2020s audiences.
Hopefully I like it but I'd be shocked if it entered my top 10 Godzilla movies.
Prepare to be shocked. I'm not even meming. Minus One was a home run. I went to see it 3 times in the theater. I hadn't been to a theater since 2008. On the last day of the Minus Color release at 1:30pm on a thursday there were like 30 people in the theater for a niche release of a niche genre picture in a foreign language with subs....yeah it was good.
I'll be really happy if I end up liking it, and I'll be satisfied if it's at least an enjoyable movie.
I did think it looked very good in the trailers, other than the fact I'll always miss suits. The practical effects are a big part of the appeal of the series for me.
>liking it
*loving it
If it's enjoyable I'll like it.
They did a really good job with the effects imo. Godzilla is plodding and slow not all twitchy fast jumping bean CGI like legendary slop. It had that weighty feel you get from a guy in a suit stomping around with his limited mobility even though it was CGI.
The Minus One design is pretty cool and I'm glad it looks more like traditional Goji than the Legendary one does.
I actually do like when Godzilla is kinda fast when he's fighting though.
>I actually do like when Godzilla is kinda fast when he's fighting though.
Yeah but there's a difference between a "fast" rubber suit actor and hollywood CGI.
True, I'd like the Legendary movies way more if they used suits or animatronics instead of CG.
Not a big fan of the use of CG in genres like kaiju and horror where the effects are one of the main draws. It was tolerable in Millennium when they used to it to to accentuate some of the action and the early CGI for Orga's early forms in 2000 looks kinda cool because of how much it sticks out, but completely replacing practical monster effects is too far for me and feels like it's missing the point.
Isn't that what motion capture is for?
>let's build a rubber suit and put a guy in it so we can mo-cap it and CGI it instead of just shooting a guy in a rubber suit in the first place.
You're a genius anon...
I was mostly referring to the general use of mo-cap early on in Monsterverse, but that's actually how they did the two monsters in Shin Ultraman, just sticking mo-cap dots onto the existing Neronga suit.
I hate subs. My eyesight is really poor and I have to really squint and focus to read them. Glasses make my head hurt.
This is the only reason I haven't seen minus one.
Anons might hate this advice, but unironically you could watch it on your phone when it finally goes on digital. Won't need glasses for that and the screen will be close enough to read the subs.
I would bet real money that there will be a dub on the official streaming/physical release. Now the quality of that dub....lol we'll see.
>the movie that filters the dysgenic
maybe try not being a braindead normalgay that only watches a movie because your favorite meme actor from [insert latest fotm trash here] is in it. maybe do the slightest bit of research and learn that the director is a talentless hack with a shitty track record and a history of intentionally blueballing the audience.
>Grab actor during or shortly after their prime to bring in people and horde more money
>Kill them off to pay them less to horde more money
Really the concept is simple
He killed it in Curb
Why does he have a boner
everything he did post-BB proves that he's a glorified soap actor
>make your protagonist an explosives guy
>Don't have him defuse the bomb
Could have had a super tense scene where he has to defuse the bomb while the fight could kill him at any momemt
and yet still the best godzilla movie, American or otherwise, to date
If anyone only cares about the monster/kaiju fights, I made a fan edit of Godzilla/KotM/GvK that only shows the fight scenes and the smallest amount of plot between each fight scene.
Link to download is in the description
Thanks anon, I'll watch this instead of trying to watch both by themselves. I couldn't get into them because the human parts seemed shit
King of monsters has the best monster scenes ever put to film
The Mothra introduction scene alone shits all over whatever the frick 2014 was trying to do
they killed him in the first 20% of the film, what are you smoking?
i watch his death scene over and over and over GODDAMN I HATE HEISENBERGER SO MUCH
He was cast as a gimmick. The character as written was unimportant, but they put a big name to get butts in seats, which worked, since the movie did $93 million opening weekend. Which ensured a sequel and more for this cinematic universe. Problem is that deceptive marketing hurt said universe. This movie went on to barely break $200 million domestically after two months, meaning almost half its gross was in the span of three days. Sequel comes out five years later and casuals didn't show because they were disappointed with the first one.
MUTO design is fricking cringe why can’t Americans design cool kaijus?
I tried watching this and other Godzilla Movies after watching Minus One but they were all dogshit in comparison. Minus One is the GOAT by a lot
Hollywood will never make a good Godzilla movie. Never.