It's crazy how differently Godzilla Minus One and Godzilla 2014 made use of having combat veteran protagonists. Both 1940s Imperial Japan and 2010s United States chewed up and spat out their soldiers in unjust invasions for resources where they spent time doing war crimes allegedly to "defend the homeland", but Minus One took this and ran with it to paint a heartbreaking picture of a man with PTSD trying to leave his ghosts behind and find a reason to live whereas 2014 just used it as an excuse to dress their protagonist up in camo and deepthroat the MIC some more.
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If you think that's what America was doing, you're either a zoomer, hate America, or have poor memory.
t. boomer
Dubya fricked up, deal with it
Do you remember the airstrikes in Iraq in 98? Perhaps you can tell me the details of UN Resolution 1441? Or were you too young, or haven't read history?
>dude we HAD to invade Iraq... and not the Saudis who were actually in the airplanes
Go shoot up a Walmart grandpa
Someone doesn't like the UN's Security Councils unanimous vote that a man who used chemical weapons on his own people should allow inspectors in to see if he is worthy or ruling over a plot of land.
>caring about what the UN thinks
Oh, I get it, you can profit off a great inequality (war).
Nah I just think we shouldn’t be the world police and use moral outrage to justify killing tons of people. Also, 9/11 was orchestrated to do just that.
Oh, you need to be liked by everyone, including those that are against peace. You're an ignorant hippy. Grow up Peter Pan. If you do bad things to innocent people, the universe will bring justice to you: https://youtu.be/k9IfHDi-2EA?feature=shared
Why doesnt the US
>allow inspectors in to see if he is worthy or ruling over a plot of land
Shouldn't the US be regime changed by the UN?
Irrelevant, all the nations of the U.N. couldn't do shit against the U.S. at this time. Maybe in another 15-20 years.
>If you do bad things to innocent people, the universe will bring justice to you:
Is this not you or are you a different anon?
Corporations are the ones hurting innocents, and they will pay in the end.
>all the nations of the U.N. couldn't do shit against the U.S. at this time.
What a truly delusional piece of shit take. Our major cities are straight up 3rd world tier, our military is filled with homosexuals, trannies, and feminists, and our government is monopolized by neo-Marxists serving corporate globalist overlords.
The U.S. is dead.
The white western world is dead.
>we have to invade Iraq because Saddam is using the chemical weapons the CIA gave him
???
World police was a disastrous foreign policy.
>thinking america is world police
>thinking america did it to help others in dec 2023
Lmao. You will never be anything other than an NPC
Seeing unironic war hawks on Cinemaphile is surreal
>who used chemical weapons on his own people
So just like the US then.
WTF man, I am your age and you still believe this shit? You're probably vaxxed too
None of that matters. What does matter is that the 2003 invasion handed Iraq on a platter to Iran.
Because you lost the plot.
>Dubya fricked up
Call it what it really is, he didn't frick up at all, he just lied to the goyim, as usual.
don't tell me you believed GWB when he said that Saddam did 9/11 because he hates our freedoms?
They've had even flimsier justification for their wars than the japs did, yet the only one they are willing to feel slightly bad about is the one time they were actually in the moral right in vietnam
>is the one time they were actually in the moral right in vietnam
Elaborate?
Fighting against communism is always valid
How was fighting commies in North Korea not also justified/morally right?
Ah right of course forgot that one. but then that's kind of forgotten in general isn't it
Every war after WW2 was illegitimate. Keep loving the Deep State tho
>after WW2
How was Korea & Desert Storm illegitimate???
>How was Korea & Desert Storm illegitimate
neither one was any of our business; I'm more sympathetic to Korea even though we killed a boatload of civilians
desert storm was pure MIC/oil industry protectionism
Bro. Every war after the fricking civil war has been illegitimate, and a few before it too. What part of "no foreign wars" did Washington and the gang fail to impress upon their posterity.
>Every war after WW2 was illegitimate
the last legitimate good war we had was the Indian Wars, or the Civil War if you want officiality
literally everything after that has been a huge mistake in one way or another
WW2 was legitimate for the US. All parties declared war on it and the worst you can say is that US economic policy was preventing their enemies' imperial ambitions which is not a real provocation.
>WW2 was legitimate for the US. All parties declared war on it
uneducated take, we did everything we could with money and supplies to provoke a response and we got exactly what we wanted
plus in the context of WW1 we had done the exact same thing already so it was inevitable
The US wasn't under any obligation to trade normally with other countries waging wars it disagreed with.
>Civil War
This was the end of the founder's America and the beginning of globohomosexual slave grid.
If you describe it accurately it falls apart a bit because the Japanese didn't invade China and bomb Pearl Harbor for the israelites.
he’s just another dumbass Russian bot
>but Minus One took this and ran with it to paint a heartbreaking picture of a man with PTSD
Minus One is just the Japanese version of American movies were they make it all about how killing people made the American soldiers sad.
Why doesn't the army tell them that killing people is cool and give them money or something? Seems like a no-brainer to me
They're both good in their own ways. You just have to be able to appreciate the difference in cultural styles of film making. Minus One is definitely the superior movie in my opinion but 2014 wasn't bad at all.
The Japanese guy could actually act. I don't remember a thing about that American guy in 2014. He could have been replaced with a cardboard box and it wouldn't have changed anything.
The biggest problem with 2014 for me was that the protagonist's story was all about the MUTO, and Godzilla was just a supporting character.
>the protagonist's story was all about the MUTO
Not only that but the story was set up around Bryan Cranston's character, but they kill him off very early and his lame ass son inherits his plotline but with none of the emotion, screen presence or talent.
This. Walter White vs Godzilla should have been a slam dunk.
They said they didn't know what to do with him, because if they let him live, he would probably stay on the ship with nothing to do, and that is they had him tag along with his son, it would have felt cheesy, like it's Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, but that sounds awesome to me.
At the end he should have knocked his son unconscious and gotten him out of the MUTO nest while he stayed behind to sacrifice himself and make sure the nest was destroyed, also getting revenge for his wife's death.
Kill his son, have him just sorta fill that role.
I thought the MUTO existing was a neat bait and switch at first since none of the marketing ever mentioned them, then I just got annoyed
The greater travesty is the entire final fight took place in the dark. Although the way they milked the camera on the atomic breath reveal was fricking elder god tier kino. Probably my favorite part of the movie.
They barely showed either fight and that's what kills the movie for me. I'll suffer through the human story to get to the action, but I think you see a single hit in the Hawaii fight and that's it. By the time you get to the climax I wasn't even disappointed at the lack of action since there hadn't been any to speak of for the whole movie so I wasn't expecting any there either.
The hatred King of the Monsters gets on this board is peak Cinemaphile contrarisnism. Not only did we get Godzilla in a movie called Godzilla, but we got to actually see him and the other monsters too instead of obscuring them in smoke the whole time.
You hate kino. All the movies after 2014 Godzilla have zero weight to them. The shots cut every three seconds, there's no sense of momentum to the movements of the monsters. The scene where Godzilla goes into a full sprint within 0.2 seconds is hysterical.
Anyway you're a subhuman who should kill himself
It's a good movie, but it's not a good Godzilla movie.
Yeah I especially liked the extremely forgettable characters with their cliched "I have to find my sister" garbage plotlines, truly riveting kino.
Killing off Bryan so early into the film is a totally puzzling decision. The movie could have been about father/son reconnecting while Godzilla attacks
America will never cop to its war crimes, so there is no point to it making movie about the harms of its numerous wars.
2014 is about Amrcans being punished for their sins though.
Our girl Minami Hamabe's Godzilla movie is getting lots of raving reviews.
>If YOU were to make a film where Godzilla represents a real world issue, what would it REALLY be about?
The destruction of the men in western societies.
The movie would star a plain looking man, maybe a little chubby or even ugly, completely unremarkable, and completely isolated. Anytime he tries to voice any of his likes, like enjoying women, he gets gross looks. Meanwhile, things he doesn't like, like enjoying men, gets shoved in his face almost forcibly. People ignore him or ridicule him. His peers are sent to gulaags for protecting themselves or acting in any way or shape like a man with honor.
Meanwhile, in the background, Godzilla is stomping around. Eventually our everyman is shipped off and forced to be part of a team that fights against Godzilla. He's given the trigger button for a weapon that will very likely kill Godzilla, and he is heading right for the shoreline. All this time, he and his fellow man are still being berrated and shat upon by society at large.
The movie ends when he is in place to pull the trigger and save the west. However, he looks down at the city, at what it became, has flashbacks of a better time when he was a child, compares it to now, compares it to the people shouting at him, and then he just doesn't pull the trigger. It becomes too late, and Godzilla kills everyone. The movie then just ends on a zoom in of his face and a smile.
this is the stupidest shit I've ever read in my entire life
Talk about the movie you morons.
What was the black shit in the girls neck veins at the end? Goji parasite?
Nobody knows, the two main theories are
>radiation poisoning
>Godzilla flesh healing factor
It's radiation burns, if you go to the museum in Hiroshima you can see photos of people with them after the bomb was dropped. I think it ties into how Godzilla looked in the film
Radiation burns that crawl upwards like symbiote goo...
>Dark tones, in different meanings.jpg
I'm pretty sure everything about 2014 was done to justify the HALO drop scene
dude was a pussy who never saw combat and couldn't shoot a dinosaur in the face. there's nothing in the movie to suggest that his cowardice that day didn't cause hundreds of thousands of deaths. what a gay.
A piece of "Japanese culture" I'll never get is
>protagonist is a huge homosexual
>no, a massive fricking homosexual
>like you wouldn't even believe how much of a homosexual he is
>a regular person who probably shits himself when confronted with a strange dog in the street would unironically likely do a better job saving the world than he did, he's THAT much of a frickup but we put him in charge of saving the world anyway because reasons
Even compare it to say, Frodo Baggins or Harry Potter, and those guys end up looking like fricking James Bond
Except Shinji only cucked out on a fight ONCE in the entire show. Yeah, he got scared in some of them, but he still fought and won.
Frodo is a man in his 50s and Harry Potter is a literal Gary Stu. Shinji did an incredible job for a 14-year old.
>yeah dude if i were shinji i'd totally own all those giant aliens like a boss and frick asuka and rei and misato and save the world
lets be real you'd be even more scared and pathetic than the literal 14 yr old
asshurt weebs detected
>say something stupid
>get BTFO
>"y-you're just weebs!"
troony.
Could you shoot a 4 ton 30 foot dinosaur less than 20 yards from you, or would you freeze knowing you would piss it off and kill you in one bite.
obviously. although i could never torture myself for years over a bunch of dead slants on an island. anyone that identifies with this mc is a fricking cuck man
Why does it's mid section look similar to the American Zilla's version?
Starvingzilla!
Would the 12mm gun have actually killed the unmutated Godzilla or just pissed him off?
It was 20mm but I see no reason to believe it would do anything meaningful.
My bad, for some reason I remember reading 12mm.
Also RIP
Probably blind him since his head was in the line of fire, but he'd move out before the guns could do sufficient damage.
And the gun in question is a 20mm
I feel like you'd need a 50cal to do any meaningful damage to a creature with that thick of a hide.
20mm can kill anything!
The rifle shots made it back off and take note. At close range, it may have lost an eye or more.
The guy who animated the unmutated Godzilla got his start making Youtube videos in Blender and just got up and hired by Toho. Sure enough that part of the movie has Godzilla still being animated in Blender.
kino movie btw
saw this today. was pretty damn good. I've never cared about a protag in a godzilla movie before this one.
was too loud though here. louder than inception.
hard to say if it tops shin godzilla, need to see that again. Shin still wins for best atomic breath scene.
>hard to say if it tops shin godzilla, need to see that again. Shin still wins for best atomic breath scene.
Shin was a success in-that it updated the Godzilla allegory for a post-Fukushima Japan. Minus One is more successful as a Godzilla film taking the whole history of the films and franchise holistically
Yeah, I agree with that.
>was too loud though here. louder than inception.
It's a theater issue.
I know, hence mentioning "here". assume it was not so bad elsewhere as I didn't see many complaints about that.
it was based more on a first person frame of reference so its more relatable in that sense vs a country wide issue and people just screaming. minus one is the best reboot this decade but it is a reboot. and it was close but I still like shin more, if shin had the mushroom cloud effect on what its atomic breath touches like minus one did then it would be ultra perfect bc that was my favorite new touch in minus one. also really enjoyed the extra movements in the animation in minus one, they made gojira more animalistic and showed great expressions on its face and during the roar little movements that make it feel more "real"
where that download at
The use of the classic theme song was incredible. I have not seen the original movie in many years but the effect of horror and then finally desperation it creates in this movie was incredible
This film, 1954 and GMK: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack are the only Godzilla films that really confront the concept of Godzilla as metaphor for the Atomic Bomb in a thoughtful way. Hell, GMK even pushes that Godzilla is the personified wrath of those that died in the Pacific Theater during WWII
Yes the trauma just kept coming back for the protagonist even when he tried his hardest to get his life back on track. The unity between the characters in looking upon the problem of Godzilla as a second chance and an opportunity for redemption and closure was very beautiful. Rebuilding of national unity and spirit without glorifying war
What are you smoking, this movie barely touches it. It handles it to showing a quick clip of the Bikini Atol test to remind us that Godzilla is born from a nuke. Meanwhile GMK has the massive balls to bring up the Nanking Massacre and put Japan's nose in their shit.
I swear people like you have a fetish over muh war crimes
Are U telling me that chinkie b***h was living off the pilot's dime for two years and wouldn't even sleep in the same bed with him to maybe show a bit of gratitude and ease his obvious trauma??? She had the dividing curtain set up and everything. What a b***h
She was a trad and wasn't his wife.
I just came out of the theater and wow, I think this is the best Godzilla movie of all (the original holds a place in my heart but due to outdated special effects it's an honorable mention in my list). Probably the best human story line as well with their drama weaving in and around the Goji. I am also surprised it knocked off Shin Godzilla from my top of the list. Honestly, I really enjoy Legendary Goji, and when the original Oppenheimer trailer came out, I was expecting a modern take on Goji back to it's villanous roots, as well as force of nature. Ultimately that was my disappointment with Legendary Goji, even though the movie captured a lot of the attributes that makes Godzilla famous. Minus One though just goes back to the kaiju's roots and it delivers. The atomic breath though, I was avoiding spoilers and official trailers, so I'm happy I did because I was blown away.
Shin Godzilla captures some of the terrifying aspects of the creature but I think because it's so slow moving and unbelievably grotesque, that it's still entertaining. This one though, it captures how terrifying and dangerous the monster is, especially the links to nuclear weapons and the war. This was pure kino.
>put cute little girl in movie
>oh my god, le heckin family story, I cried!
What did they mean by this?
Probably I agree that survivors weren't necessarily too clean and good looking lel but their situation as orphans with an adopted child was pretty realistic postwar Japan. The whole human message to continue to live despite traumas and issues, and to overcome them was pretty good all things considered. Even the original 1954 movie doesn't really have a realistic human plot, so Minus One acomplishes something no other Godzilla movie hasn't been capable of.
it gets an 8/10 from me
>8 fingers
>8/10
Carlos!
Was the boat that played the roar to lure Godzilla out and got destroyed at the start of the final battle a decoy one like the one that got atomic breathd or were there people aboard it?
Probably unmanned, they said they'd take no more losses
>they don't know
What knowledge is it we do not possess?
There's a quick shot of the empty helm where the ship's wheel is being held in position by ropes.
Yeah that was the dummy boat they had set up to get hit by the atomic breath. I'm talking about the boat whose job it was to play the imitation of Godzilla's roar to lure him over. You hear them mention over radio that that boat has been attacked and you see it get flung into the bay shortly after
This is right at the very start of the battle where they're shocked that Godzilla arrived so soon, before they have to improvise and get the pilot to lure him back out into sea
It was probably occupied because the guy said he'll let them know in the last 3 hours. I am guessing he was testing it out early not expecting Godzilla to be that close already.
>watch the trailer
>same catfaced Godzilla
>delete my ticket reservation
Simple as
b***h the country just got nuked I don't care if you're trad give me some tail so I stop wanting to die
sounds like something dracula flow would say. I like it.
You don't deserve a good wife.
did something happen to ginza in the 50s? or did they just want to do something besides toyko
Ginza is just an upscale shopping district in Tokyo, it's notable because unlike most of Tokyo, it wasn't completely leveled by the firebombing raids like the rest of the city was.
The great debate.
This is a thread about a serious movie not toy commercials for manbabies.
For me, it's kiryu
middle mecha is so ridiculous with its mecha muscles. I mean just look at the fricking neck and forearms and flexing pose... it's a fricking robot for frick's sake. bless those crazy japs
What's crazy is how a random closeup of the hero in 2014 perfectly captures how you can't see anything in that whole movie.
I loved Minus One
I want to watch it but it's not out in my country yet...
USA
>Muh Politics
Meanwhile in Japan
Is there any art of Takao getting decimated?
Don't know
>American Zilla: Anti-Hero
>Japanese Goji: Villian
I could've sworn I recognized a few of the actors from Kamen Rider or Sentai.
I don't mind that they only used the 1954 roar, but I think it would be better if they mixed and matched different Godzilla roars. Something I really loved about Shin and KotM was using different roar sound effects for different situations.
Just got back from the movie. I had very low hopes when I first heard about the project. But the movie blew me away. I only have few complaints. The cgi needed about 5 million dollars more budget. It was near perfect almost most of the movie, but there were a couple of moments (especially the island attack), where it looked off. Also, it felt very convinient that Godzilla always happened upon the main characters, but missed them every time. But I guess Godzilla symbolizes the horrors of the unjust war, that doesn't go away, just because the government says that the war is over.
Also, I called that the girlfriend lived after the atomic breath, and my friend called that the plane now has ejection seat.
Other than that, it was a fantastic movie. And it earned the original 1954 score more than the American ones. As a life long Godzilla fan, I got goosebumps when the classic themes hit.
So is it called Minus One because the protagonist is a failed Kamikaze (aka Zero) pilot thus he's less than a zero so a minus one?
Why didn't they address japanese war crimes? Imagine if some of the former solider were like: "we sure raped a lot of women and kids in China, but now we are gonna go out there and make it right."
Because they're the Navy, idiot.
They used the SDF theme right this time. The triumphant theme song was in the original, showing the planes driving off Godzilla. Then it became his hero music. But now it's back as the heroic theme for people fighting back against Godzilla.
after 70 years of it being probably the most famous leitmotif in movie history it's impossible to separate it from being 'Godzilla's theme'
Just finished watching it. I don't know what those frickers at toho keep doing to make these movies so good but they better keep doing it. It was funny that I watched GMK the night before when this was more of what made gmk so good. Goji isn't as straight up maliciouis in this as in gmk but still an absolute threat. Mushroom cloud beam was an amazing touch that I hope happens in other incarnations, and the human cast is one of my favorites. Gonna watch it again this week on a bigger screen to iron out my thoughts.
just got home from watching it
what was the "minus one" title about?
and was it a tattoo on the girl's neck at the end?
protag got tormented hard and the sink/float plan was pretty silly, but a great movie nonetheless
>just got home from watching it
what was the "minus one" title about?
Japan was at "zero" after the war, now because of Godzilla they're at "Minus One".
Not that anon but that makes a lot of sense. I thought it was because it was before the first movie time-period wise.