Unironically the worst Godzilla movie out of all of them, though the third AniGoji comes in at a close second. I at least get why someone wouldn't like Shin, but anybody who prefers absolute garbage like that was never a fan of the originals, and I don't care how long ago he says he started watching before me.
You are the fakest fan there is when you hate peak Monsterverse
They're not that good but KOTM was leagues above GxK
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Anonymous
not that guy but I've seen all the movies and completely forgot KOTM existed after it came out. the action scenes are horrible, they kept cutting away every 5-10 seconds. it has cool scenes I admit but it's a slog to sit through. The humans are the worst. the quips are bad. It just has tv movie vibes
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Anonymous
>They're not that good but KOTM was leagues above GxK
GxK is still complete garbage that doesn't deserve the honor of being part of the series, but it was still better than the constant bullshit KOTM threw on the screen. >Millie Bobby Brown's character >The entire eco terrorist sub-plot >The mom wildly flip-flopping with the eco terrorists and her husband with no consequence >Dude, radiation will like heal the planet, and rightfully belongs to the monsters >Nature expert staring down Godzilla when he's metaphorically beating his chest like a gorilla in a submarine, jeopardizing the entire crew. >Plot revolves around a McGuffin that makes monsters act exactly how the plot needs them to >Stupid scene of the monsters bowing to Godzilla at the end, standing against the very idea of science-fiction and animalism the movie was trying to go with >Worst rodan >Worst King Ghidorah >Worst Mothra
Now watch the 1954 original and tell me KOTM isn't a disgrace to everything the series is meant to be.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Rodan, Mothra and Ghidorah were nice
All your other points are fair
Might I make a counterpoint?
Akira Ifukube
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Actually the bowing was also good
If you're going to be this 1954 purist then you may as well not like any of the movies besides 84, Shin and Minus One
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If you're going to be this 1954 purist then you may as well not like any of the movies besides 84, Shin and Minus One
I enjoy most of the films for what they are, though they have mixed qualities. I am a huge fan of Shin, but Minus One is overrated as hell, and is basically a worse version of various themes and story beats lifted from better Godzilla movies. Also, 84 is ultimately not quite the "return to form" it was supposed to be, I'd say Biollante completely surpassed it in every aspect and is a much better successor to the 1954 original (best at the time).
But Monsterverse gays are completely insufferable. Even going off the notion that they're going for something more showa-era like, they completely fail as films, whereas those low budget adventures have aged very well I think. And for a modern take on Showa, it should still have compelling characters, cool monster action, and themes at least connected to the 1954 original, like Final Wars. Final Wars is everything the Monsterverse fails to be, and actually is a fun throwback to the showa era with many quality of life improvements. Also, it has the best Rodan (no fire beams or lava blood needed).
Just finished it and... It's mid fr
It is better than Shin Godzilla (conference room documentary), but the main character is annoying, he acts like a Hetare anime protagonist. He could be mentally scarred without being a dick to everyone baka
But I liked the action scenes, Godzilla itself, Noriko, Akiko, the scientist, and most of the side characters.
>It's mid fr
I was expecting it to be overhyped but it's the best Godzilla movie I've seen, in the last 20-30 years at least. They kept it simple and had a good solid basic story, good acting/characters, no cutesy 'Godzilla is really the hero' bullshit. The recent American Godzilla (and Kong) made-by-committee movies were so bad that this super low budget movie should embarrass the frick out of them, if they knew shame, which they don't.
>good acting/characters
Meh, I found the acting pretty atrocious. It's suffers from the same "pretty-boy" syndrome all of asian media has been suffering from where they get pretty boys to be the lead actors, who wear an absurd amount of make up and have perfect hair in basically every shot. Also, the actor who played the kid who didn't go to war was actually taller and more handsome than the lead guy, and really should've been cast as the lead. Also, the character writing was pretty weak, characters magically lose their negative personality traits once they decide to be a good guy (just look at how much Tachibana-san's limp heals after he decides to help). >he recent American Godzilla (and Kong) made-by-committee movies were so bad that this super low budget movie should embarrass the frick out of them
That it has thankfully, though I think this movie being the one to get the honor over Shin is a monkey's paw.
>Your love of twinks is so high you can’t even watch a normal movie without being distracted and jacking off?
That seems to be the mindset of producers these days. Seriously, compare old sentai to nu-sentai.
I only saw a few minutes of it cause the subs were fricked in the version i got.
But holy fricking shit i cant believe they made a movie with effects that good on 16 million bucks. Disney couldnt do the wolverine origins test cut level effects for 16 million.
I enjoyed it, but this tbh. MC was a b***h who spends the whole movie beating himself up for being a b***h and even the director said IIRC the only reason Godzilla spared him is because he b***hed out so much he didn't attack it. And yeah, the not-wife exists to fulfil a strictly wifely role in the story.
I really wish they didn't hammer the point about you're a kamikaze pilot you should have died so much since they literally verbally address it so many times but the theme itself works well and the movie really delivers.
This too tho. Movie as a whole was fantastic, it just happened to be carried by things other than the mani character.
I enjoyed it, but this tbh. MC was a b***h who spends the whole movie beating himself up for being a b***h and even the director said IIRC the only reason Godzilla spared him is because he b***hed out so much he didn't attack it. And yeah, the not-wife exists to fulfil a strictly wifely role in the story.
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This too tho. Movie as a whole was fantastic, it just happened to be carried by things other than the mani character.
Honestly seeing the main character build literally three layers of survivor's guilt got a little funny.
This movie made me realize why anime is so popular. Japs can't express themselves so when they do its over the top as frick just like an anime. Genuinely listen to these characters and its like they're voice acting for some fotm anime.
Scenes that should have hit hard just come across as melodramatic cringe and the dialogue is so expository. Also the main char being like I'm dreaming right?! I'm dreaming!? It's just fricking anime moment.
Gzilla looks dope but sometimes he looks horrible.. in the ocean he looks photorealistic though.
The stylized overacting is because Japanese acting schools descend from Noh and Kabuki theatre where everyone wears masks, so body language and vocalization are emphasized. Japanese people also actually behave like that irl among close confidants to an extent. It's part of the Asian "inside face, outside face" culture. They're reserved among strangers and in professional settings, but they switch up and become much more open and exaggerated in their mannerisms among friends and family.
No, it's only a Cinemaphile meme that doesn't really exist in film criticism outside of it and could be a reaction to Japanese movies being popular and Japanese language being so different.
In Japan even before movies became popular there was the Shingeki school of acting. Western-style theatre that was mostly interested in plays of famous Western authors and was meant to be realistic.
Modern toku is shit because they realised that by hiring pretty boy idols for heisei, both kids AND their horny housewife mothers would tune in. And over time this morphed into hiring prettier and prettier idols who could act less and less. And kids don't care because they're morons.
Those shows that Tsuburaya and Toei shits out every year that they film on their own parking lot? The fans aren't too discriminating bit they like to pretend this is in any way on par with major studio releases. They better pray the rumors about Toho starting production of live action shows are untrue. Though Toho has a bunch of idiots working for them too.
The idea was the sudden pressure change, not the pressure itself. Under the assumption that it normally emerges from/returns to the deep sea gradually.
Yeah the plan was to kill him with the bends, or as it's known decompression illness. The issue is, I'm pretty sure humans can usually survive most cases of the bends (correct me if I'm wrong) so it's a pretty long shot trying to kill Godzilla with it. Though I applaud the attempt to kill Godzilla in a scientifically feesable way without a plot device like the Oxygen Destroyer.
People can survive the bends, but often a special decompression chamber is needed. The rate at which Godzilla was ascending was very rapid, and much slower rates can still be lethal for people.
That rapid of a pressure change would easily kill any human or (non-Godzilla) sea creature. I think the plan made sense, Godzilla is just too overpowered.
guys...
Is the "thebiscuitman" 59gb 2160p version good quality ? is there a bigger/better version ?
I feel like bluray movies under 80gb are on par with 1080p
Do you homies just never save movies or what? I wouldn’t never download a movie over 10gbs unless it was like a top 5 favorite of mine and I have like 34tbs of storage. I like to collect shit not just download and delete
listen dude, I get it, you probably watch all your movies on your 2011 smartphone and that's fine.
I, however, do like to enjoy my movies in the highest quality available on my 55" 4K OLED TV.
I honestly have no clue what Dolby Vision is and anytime I’ve ever turned HDR on everything just looks over saturated. I have thousands of movies and tv shows and I couldn’t do that if every movie I downloaded was big as frick
This was a nice movie, bros. Trying to determine where it would go in my Godzilla rankings, probably in the upper half.
Hope it gets a sequel. I'd like to see them introduce a bit of a sci-fi or fantasy element but keep a similar tone to Minus One.
The movie pretty much won the Academy Award for the final battle. Everything in these 15 minutes other than the Yukikaze bridge, 20ft of deck and Shinden's wienerpit is CGI, and it really punches waaaaaaay above it's weight class and puts Hollywood productions to shame.
Nope.
I wholly expected they just desaturated the base movie until it's black and white, but they actually went the distance and completely redid the color grading for Minus Color. Added some vignetting and a more aggressive film grain while they were at it.
It really looks like a proper movie shoot in monochrome, it's not just the Original Master desaturated to take out the color.
They could have went even further and artificially aged it with film scratches, but I suppose that would be tacky and going too far.
Is it possible to buy a Blu-Ray release in Japan, like through Ebay or a third party? If so, is it worth it? I'd rather not wait until November for Toho's autism to simmer down.
Not Toho's - Legendary's.
They wanted to give Minus One a wide berth both in cinemas and on home releases, digital and physical. Didn't you notice how suddenly Minus one dropped out of cinemas despite actually increasing the number of screens it played and just having a 500% attendance boost second wind due to Academy Award? GxK was about to release, so Minus One concluded its run in the west despite doing so well.
Likewise, they got a deal with Toho to keep Minus One out of stores/streaming for a year, so it doesn't step on GxK toes.
I wasn't looking forward to a sequel because I thought this movie worked too well as a stand alone movie. Now I'm open to that idea, but I absolutely don't want Koichi and Noriko in the sequel. They both have gone through so much that I hate the idea of the sequel going overboard with the suffering.
Noriko transforming into a kaiju like Biollante is just too harsh and heart wrenching. Koichi JUST got over his personal demons in this movie.
For 1080p it looks great, no visible artifacts or anything, the subs are timed properly and the same translation from the theaters as far as i can tell, there is two instances of back to back typos near the end but harmless
For some reason, I can't find English subs, using Potplayer.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Never mind, I got the subs, but they're displaying on the top and bottom, which is new, any idea why that's the case?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No clue, never even heard of that player, just been using the good ol' MPC since forever
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Figured it out, Potplayer has a lot of ways you can display the subs, so it was displaying them in two sets (and I turned off the 2nd one, which was apparently the top ones). Nice to have that kind of customizability.
The only sequel I will accept is a cozy spinoff movie of Koichi and Noriko raising a family in post-war Japan and the minesweeping crew being bros
Unironically I wouldn't mind this simply because I feel that a sequel that actually involved Godzilla would just be very difficult to make good and thematically and tonally consistent with Minus One. I'd be happy to be proven wrong!
Are these subs correct, as in spelling and translation? Timing doesn't matter for me as I'm just gonna hardcode the subs for my own copy and adjust the timing myself.
The "black rain" scene was the third best theater moment I've experienced in the past few years, behind only the end of The Green Knight and Thanos's snap.
I remember my early days of being a Godzilla fan around 2005 or so when we were so barren but now we have it all bros. We have melodramatic serious Godzilla along with goofy and fun Godzilla.
The franchise is bigger than ever and is in good hands in both the east and west. Fricking Star Wars fans wish they were eating half as good as us.
Holy shit you’re right. I would’ve never believed in 2000 that Godzilla would beat Star Wars as far as quality content, but it’s true. I just finished minus 1 and it was great (aside from a couple minor nitpicks). I’m rewatching King of the Monsters now and will follow up with Shin.
We're currently in a Godzilla Renaissance. We're probably at the height of it but I hope I'm wrong and that it only gets better from here. I don't see the Monsterverse getting as big as the MCU during it's height but I wouldn't mind it being successful enough to get sequels while remaining a niche thing for long time fans.
In 2000 we had a well received Zilla US movie and a shit received Star Wars movie. Tho I always liked TPM.
Its funny how zoomers imagine how things were in 2000 and try to pass it as fact.
No way you're actually being a snob about the Millennium series and acting like it was as big as Shin or Minus One, or King of the Monsters 19. Or for maximum bait your talking about Godzilla 98.
he is talking about 98 and he is not even baiting, that movie was HUGE when it was released, with a cartoon attached and millions on merchandising. Yeah it was garbage, but it had a huge cultural impact in the US.
I mean the commercial campaign for it was huge but people quickly caught on to the fact that it was trash. I hated that movie when I was a kid because it was a complete disgrace and the monster didn’t even look like Godzilla outside from being a giant bipedal reptile. The directors were coming off of Independence Day and their interpretation of Godzilla fell extremely short of thats impact.
I hope the good times continue.
What we really need now is a Pipeworks-esque Godzilla game. Godzilla is incredibly popular right now, they should capitalize on it.
I know that game Gigabash is getting another Godzilla DLC.
While the Monsterverse are the Godzilla films I always wanted as a kid, Minus One is the Godzilla movie I never knew I wanted. While I still love and appreciate the fun Godzilla that I grew up watching, Minus One is a very somber and mature story. It's a historical fiction piece that elevates Godzilla beyond what I thought was capable.
Of course, if you asked me before Minus One was even announced what my ideal Godzilla movie would be, I would've said kaiju having DBZ fights set to the soundtrack of Metal Gear Rising. I'd still watch that yeah but still.
How would you guys want the continuity to go is Minus One got a sequel and eventually it's own series?
I'd like for Koichi to remain the primary protagonist, with Godzilla's various resurgences once again awakening his trauma, each time learnign to better deal with it. if the Godzilla of this continuity makes the heel face turn that his counterparts did in Showa and Heisei, I'd like for it to be met with Koichi making peace with his inner demons.
>with Godzilla's various resurgences once again awakening his trauma
That would be just reiterative. I like the idea of Godzilla taking several decades to regenerate from just his heart. Perhaps Akiko, Koichi's adopted daughter, could be the protagonist now as a grown up? Maybe she's vengeful because her mother died of radiation poisoning?
I wonder if this will turn into a new continuation like showa or heisei. But I bet this will be a one off. I heard TOHO plans on doing their own cinematic monster universe, but why should they set it all during the 1950s? They'll probably do another movie set in modern times then continue the series, maybe, idk
They showed his chunks regenerating at the end . I'd be happy if they just did a trilogy with this universe. Godzilla could come back next movie even worse and the movie would end on godzilla destroying japan entirely, with the third movie dragging in other countries to finally help kill him (representing a global effort to stop nuclear testing?)
>You will never spend an entire weekend with Nicolas Cage getting wasted watching the entire Showa Godzilla series plus the non-Godzilla movies that are canon to that timeline such as Rodan Frankenstein vs. Baragon, and War of the Gargantuas >Maybe throw the 1931 Frankenstein into the mix since that's technically canon >Maybe go even further by pretending King Kong and Son of Kong are canon.
They can make story about survivor of US ship that destroyed by Godzilla. To contrast Koichi, the western MC hellbent for revenge and don't believe Jap can kill Godzilla so he illegally enter Japan to make sure Godzilla died.
Godzilla Minus Hope: >movie start with flashback of US ship getting attacked >cuts to after they defeat godzilla >japan rebuilding yet again and studying godzilla cells >everyone starts getting sick from the radiation >the US navy pulls up to assess the situation and find godzilla so he doesn't attack the US mainland, also to take their research >godzilla chunks have fully regenerated and he appears again, destroying the US navy and the city they were in >godzilla, japan and US all fuelled by vengeance >godzilla goes around japan destroying cities, humans race to stop him >US nukes japan without permission to kill godzilla, he survives >jap scientist (serizawa?) invents weapon like oxygen destroyer to kill godzilla, succeeds >could use this weapon to gain advantage over america but kills himself and his work in the process to show americans what people should do with weapons of mass destruction >use godzilla cells to heal everyone since godzilla is immune to radiation and has healing properties (showing how nuclear shit can be good instead of used for weapons)
The problem with having the actual US in a Godzilla film is that Godzilla is the allegorical US. It would have to be a civil war or internal dispute analogy: Blackzilla burns down the mall, Copzilla knees the ghetto, or something.
And I trust that in this 'The Further Adventures of Exploded Myth Godzilla Pt. 37' the monster analogy was successfully used by the narrative? In the two good Godzilla movies, where the monster is used well and not beaten like a dead horse to service capital investment into a franchise, the monster is the American war machine that bombed and laid waste to Japan in WW2.
>GOOD SUBTITLES AVAILABLE
The japanese bluray doesn't have english subs.
All the subtitles in the torrents are either fansubs or ones that an ESL did and muxed in from other sources
It’s probably the same as on flixhq. It’s that one scene when he returns to the village and is talking to that woman, after that it’s fine, the whole movie doesn’t have delayed subtitles.
It’s likely the same, transcribed by KUBA2000, in that case yes, early it’s off, but for the rest of the movie it’s good. If yours is still sifferent just go to flixhq.pe for the one I saw.
We don’t know, we can only speculate. Godzilla could have been killed on that day with that gun. Or Koichi could have been killed like the rest of the mechanics. A lesser movie would have mentioned that Odo Island Godzilla would still have been unaffected or something to let Koichi off the hook in the eyes of the audience. But it doesn’t and he never finds out and his guilt haunts him throughout the movie. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. He didn't take the shot, and nothing can change that. Knowing whether it would have killed Godzilla or not doesn’t matter after that point and you can only look forward, not back.
In my mind the sequel should be more about the landscape of Japan being corrupted by the Godzilla fallout than some sort of play on Attack of the 50 Foot Woman. Those affected by the Godzilla fallout should be treated like hibakusha, but the sequel's plot should be more in the style of Godzilla vs Anguirus (as in "Somehow Godzilla returned, oh by the way the irradiated countryside just shat out another monster").
Godzilla is America. After the WW2 analogy movie Godzilla transforms into friend and protector of Japan that fights the monster avatars of other nations and extensional threats. The topical sequel would be Godzilla and Japan fighting the red dragon to the West.
Godzilla doesn't represent America because a recurring theme in the series has been that humanity needs to put aside their national conflicts in order to work together and solve problems. The monsters represent things but they don't represent other countries.
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Anonymous
No, it's America. Specifically the American war machine, the monster from the ocean to the West that firebombs and nukes Japanese cities, that can not be defeated or stopped by conventional millitary means.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've always taken Godzilla to be an allegory for natural disaster rather than the overt nuclear themes. Being a shithole series of islands on a fault line, Japan is rife with earthquakes, tsunamis, and the ever present threat of Fuji erupting again. That's the real mindset at play here, not firebombing and nukes, those were a temporary thing. Natural disaster is endless and undefeatable.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No. Japan suffered a very real defeat and destruction at the hands of very real monsters from across the sea. Godzilla is the monster analogy of that unstoppable war machine of destruction.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Except they do stop Godzilla in the original, and it's accomplished by inventing a stronger weapon. This doesn't make sense if it's an America/WW2 analogy because Japan lost, but it lines up perfectly if Godzilla represents nukes like the movie has always been interpreted.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No. A technological innovative weapon, inguinity, "upaya-kaushalya" of Vajrayana Buddhism, skillful means. Japan can not win by conventional means, it lost the war, the march of Godzilla across the Pacific is unstoppable, the Japanese Empire can not be established by force as the pre-WW2 leaders promised. Instead Japan will defeat Godzilla/America by inguinious trickery, by technological-economic innovation.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The Oxygen Destroyer is not meant to be "ingenious", it's horrific and could spell doom for humanity if it's recreated. Have you seen the movie? It had to go over your head to think that the creation of the Oxygen Destroyer was a triumph, Serizawa kills himself to try to stop it from being used again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because Japan of the 1950s is still a defeated and cowered Japan. Minus One looks forward to the optimism of the revived Japan that would come in the following decades. The original is yet to experience that cause for optimism, is instead content with survival of the monster, and pessimistic about the monster of the Korean War coming to Japan and the home islands being destroyed in a US vs Soviet/China clash.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
*survival of Japan from the wroth of the monster
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>very real monsters from across the sea >noooooo don’t nuke the based nips noooo i promise they’re sorry for all the rape and genocide noooooooooo
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Eh, Japan was extremely brutal and monstrous in WWII. That being said, the 2nd nuke drop was unnecessary, and arguably the first was unnecessary too since Japan was already basically defeated at that point, and they were starved of resources to continue the war.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no not really
Godzilla doesn't represent America because a recurring theme in the series has been that humanity needs to put aside their national conflicts in order to work together and solve problems. The monsters represent things but they don't represent other countries.
is more correct
even in 1954, Godzilla is treated as a problem mankind created. movies like GMK and Minus One are even critical of ww2 japan
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, Japan did start the war, their millitarism did awaken the beast of America and invite the monster onto their shores to destroy the home islands that had never been successfully invaded before. Godzilla is man-made because he was awoken by Japan, and is the human nation of the monsterous Gaijin.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you mean specifically in Minus One, or in the original film? Godzilla represents weapons of mass destruction in the original, not America.
And I trust that in this 'The Further Adventures of Exploded Myth Godzilla Pt. 37' the monster analogy was successfully used by the narrative? In the two good Godzilla movies, where the monster is used well and not beaten like a dead horse to service capital investment into a franchise, the monster is the American war machine that bombed and laid waste to Japan in WW2.
You shouldn't be posting if you haven't seen The Return of Godzilla. It's probably the best movie in the series at looking at how the Godzilla crisis would affect things on an international level. It handles its politics in a more interesting and tense way than Shin imo.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No. Most Japanese destruction was caused by firebombing, not nuclear weapons. It's the destruction of Japan in WW2 by all mechanisms. And who dropped those bombs, fire and nuclear? They're not passive disasters. If Godzilla is X weapon, then he is the American war machine. All the weapons that destroyed Japan are the weapons of America, all the destruction is caused by America, the monster is still America.
I'm not interested in Japanese abuse of their genre movies. If the monster can be used well for narrative purpose I'll watch. If it's visual genre fiction for kiddies and dummies then I'll leave that for the sci-fi readers and GoT viewers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Godzilla doesn't just represent the destruction that Japan faced in WW2, he and the Oxygen Destroyer represent future destruction that mankind will face if they don't change their ways. >I'm not interested in Japanese abuse of their genre movies. If the monster can be used well for narrative purpose I'll watch. If it's visual genre fiction for kiddies and dummies
You're mad about one of the movies that does exactly what you're asking for.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's the 1950s anxiety that Japan as an American ally would be at the centre of a Cold War turned hot. That the Korean War would spill over to Japan and the home islands would be bombed and destroyed again. It's nothing to do with X-weapon, the weapons are MacGuffins. War and the destruction of war are the analogy of the film.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's nothing to do with X-weapon, the weapons are MacGuffins.
The Oxygen Destroyer is not a Macguffin, it's a central element of the film and arguably the core of the human plot. Having to brush it aside in order for your interpretation to work doesn't make it very convincing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's a MacGuffin. It's a stand in for technological inguity where conventional weapons (i.e. the Japanese armed forces in WW2) had failed. The suicide is a separate warning to Japan about reviving their armed forces, Japan was signing an alliance treaty with the US at the time and ceasing their aloofness from world affairs and international alliances. The warning is against repeating the mistakes of WW2 that could cause a new destruction of Japan by becoming involved in the Cold War; yes by nukes, but also the same weapons that destroyed Japan in WW2 like firebombing, and any new hypothetical weapons that WW3 could be fought by.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Name the oxygen destroyer anything else, have it work by any other means, and nothing in the plot changes. The Maltese Falcon could be the Chinese Hamster, the MacGuffin still serves the same role in the plot. The clever boffin invents where the millitary men who had promised Japan an empire and first rank nation status had failed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Name the oxygen destroyer anything else, have it work by any other means
It would still need to be >created by serizawa >be an incredibly powerful weapon that can destroy something that no preexisting weapon can.
Or else the plot changes. You could replace Godzilla with a different monster and it wouldn't be fundamentally different either as long as it played the same role. What both Godzilla and the Oxygen Destroyer actually do is essential to the film and can't be changed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Correct
Name the oxygen destroyer anything else, have it work by any other means, and nothing in the plot changes. The Maltese Falcon could be the Chinese Hamster, the MacGuffin still serves the same role in the plot. The clever boffin invents where the millitary men who had promised Japan an empire and first rank nation status had failed.
Midwit
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
oxygen destroy deez nuts
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Anonymous
>The Return of Godzilla.
is that the one with the UFO?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's the 80s one with lots of international politics and a military gunship. The "one with the UFO" might be Godzilla 2000.
This would be a very good direction to take it, but other monsters always dilute the feeling a little bit in my opinion. Best Godzilla movies are the solo movies.
Definitely not an easy task for the director and studio.
Godzillas only in this movie for like 10 minutes and the main character is an uninteresting moron. Frick everyone who pretended this was good and made me waste time downloading it
I really wish they didn't hammer the point about you're a kamikaze pilot you should have died so much since they literally verbally address it so many times but the theme itself works well and the movie really delivers.
>mfw scene in 3rd act at sea >goji theme kicks in super fricking epic >scene of sailors arriving to help >hero doing the le scarifice kino but survives which is based
This movie had no right to be so good.
Quite the contrary. You need to stop consuming seasonal anime.
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Anonymous
Of course I don't watch cartoons. You're a philstine without taste. Opp. is an incoherant mes of a film. Americans simply can not tell stories.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're a philstine without taste. Opp. is an incoherant mes of a film. Americans simply can not tell stories.
Your bravado feels empty when the film you're propping up is Godzilla: Minus Fun.
I liked it but you have to accept that Godzilla movies are going to look like video games forever now. Unless they decided to do a full-length version of those anniversary suitmation shorts someday, I'd love that.
The Japanese festivals where those shorts debut takes place in November. The Jet Jaguar one was released last November, we're probably getting the King Ghidorah one this year.
The first Godzilla is a clone of an alraedy existing Western monster film. What makes the Japanese interpretation of the monster interesting is its use as stand in for the bombing and destruction of Japan in WW2 and the impossibility of defeating America.
Godzilla Minus One did the same, but as an epic narrative of Japan's revival the overcoming of its WW2 Shinto-millitaristic values that sacrificed their humanity to the state, by civic society, voluntarism, technological-economic inguinity, and Christian humanism
Toho's latest press release summed it up: "Grorious Nihon ichiban. Ramen better zan hamoobuhgah. Whitu piggu pay for export of superior nihonese cultural products."
Good day to be a Gojirafan, G-bros
We've been eating good for a decade. I would say that the only mediocre movies we've gotten are the anime ones.
I thought you hated the monsterverse, homosexual?
People can learn to appreciate art over time.
I accept your apology for your years of misbehavior
Wasn't missbehavior.
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You must be confusing me with someone else, I just found about the blu ray rips two hours ago
One of you is the creator of Saosin I am not crazy
>eating good
And that was when I knew to discard your opinions in general
>for a decade
And that was when I knew to disregard this one specifically.
What, you don't like King of the Monsters?
Unironically the worst Godzilla movie out of all of them, though the third AniGoji comes in at a close second. I at least get why someone wouldn't like Shin, but anybody who prefers absolute garbage like that was never a fan of the originals, and I don't care how long ago he says he started watching before me.
You are the fakest fan there is when you hate peak Monsterverse
They're not that good but KOTM was leagues above GxK
not that guy but I've seen all the movies and completely forgot KOTM existed after it came out. the action scenes are horrible, they kept cutting away every 5-10 seconds. it has cool scenes I admit but it's a slog to sit through. The humans are the worst. the quips are bad. It just has tv movie vibes
>They're not that good but KOTM was leagues above GxK
GxK is still complete garbage that doesn't deserve the honor of being part of the series, but it was still better than the constant bullshit KOTM threw on the screen.
>Millie Bobby Brown's character
>The entire eco terrorist sub-plot
>The mom wildly flip-flopping with the eco terrorists and her husband with no consequence
>Dude, radiation will like heal the planet, and rightfully belongs to the monsters
>Nature expert staring down Godzilla when he's metaphorically beating his chest like a gorilla in a submarine, jeopardizing the entire crew.
>Plot revolves around a McGuffin that makes monsters act exactly how the plot needs them to
>Stupid scene of the monsters bowing to Godzilla at the end, standing against the very idea of science-fiction and animalism the movie was trying to go with
>Worst rodan
>Worst King Ghidorah
>Worst Mothra
Now watch the 1954 original and tell me KOTM isn't a disgrace to everything the series is meant to be.
Rodan, Mothra and Ghidorah were nice
All your other points are fair
Might I make a counterpoint?
Akira Ifukube
Actually the bowing was also good
If you're going to be this 1954 purist then you may as well not like any of the movies besides 84, Shin and Minus One
>If you're going to be this 1954 purist then you may as well not like any of the movies besides 84, Shin and Minus One
I enjoy most of the films for what they are, though they have mixed qualities. I am a huge fan of Shin, but Minus One is overrated as hell, and is basically a worse version of various themes and story beats lifted from better Godzilla movies. Also, 84 is ultimately not quite the "return to form" it was supposed to be, I'd say Biollante completely surpassed it in every aspect and is a much better successor to the 1954 original (best at the time).
But Monsterverse gays are completely insufferable. Even going off the notion that they're going for something more showa-era like, they completely fail as films, whereas those low budget adventures have aged very well I think. And for a modern take on Showa, it should still have compelling characters, cool monster action, and themes at least connected to the 1954 original, like Final Wars. Final Wars is everything the Monsterverse fails to be, and actually is a fun throwback to the showa era with many quality of life improvements. Also, it has the best Rodan (no fire beams or lava blood needed).
And to think that the idiot got his 10k twitter account nuked by Toho for attention like everyone wants to download 50gb movie.
Not interested.
Just finished it and... It's mid fr
It is better than Shin Godzilla (conference room documentary), but the main character is annoying, he acts like a Hetare anime protagonist. He could be mentally scarred without being a dick to everyone baka
But I liked the action scenes, Godzilla itself, Noriko, Akiko, the scientist, and most of the side characters.
>nooo thats not how i want ptsd portrayed. these japs dont know how to portray the aftermath of getting nuked
kek
>It is better than Shin Godzilla
>It's mid fr
I was expecting it to be overhyped but it's the best Godzilla movie I've seen, in the last 20-30 years at least. They kept it simple and had a good solid basic story, good acting/characters, no cutesy 'Godzilla is really the hero' bullshit. The recent American Godzilla (and Kong) made-by-committee movies were so bad that this super low budget movie should embarrass the frick out of them, if they knew shame, which they don't.
>good acting/characters
Meh, I found the acting pretty atrocious. It's suffers from the same "pretty-boy" syndrome all of asian media has been suffering from where they get pretty boys to be the lead actors, who wear an absurd amount of make up and have perfect hair in basically every shot. Also, the actor who played the kid who didn't go to war was actually taller and more handsome than the lead guy, and really should've been cast as the lead. Also, the character writing was pretty weak, characters magically lose their negative personality traits once they decide to be a good guy (just look at how much Tachibana-san's limp heals after he decides to help).
>he recent American Godzilla (and Kong) made-by-committee movies were so bad that this super low budget movie should embarrass the frick out of them
That it has thankfully, though I think this movie being the one to get the honor over Shin is a monkey's paw.
> pretty-boy" syndrome all of asian media has been suffering from where they get pretty boys to be the lead actors
Your love of twinks is so high you can’t even watch a normal movie without being distracted and jacking off?
>Your love of twinks is so high you can’t even watch a normal movie without being distracted and jacking off?
That seems to be the mindset of producers these days. Seriously, compare old sentai to nu-sentai.
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Kamiki Ryunosuke fricking sucks, he should go back to playing in shitty movies based on anime
they could have hired anyone but nooo
I only saw a few minutes of it cause the subs were fricked in the version i got.
But holy fricking shit i cant believe they made a movie with effects that good on 16 million bucks. Disney couldnt do the wolverine origins test cut level effects for 16 million.
The main character was a cringey gay and the not-wife was straight out of an anime
I enjoyed it, but this tbh. MC was a b***h who spends the whole movie beating himself up for being a b***h and even the director said IIRC the only reason Godzilla spared him is because he b***hed out so much he didn't attack it. And yeah, the not-wife exists to fulfil a strictly wifely role in the story.
This too tho. Movie as a whole was fantastic, it just happened to be carried by things other than the mani character.
Honestly seeing the main character build literally three layers of survivor's guilt got a little funny.
Was he a dick though? He works to support a woman and baby he's not even related to.
This movie made me realize why anime is so popular. Japs can't express themselves so when they do its over the top as frick just like an anime. Genuinely listen to these characters and its like they're voice acting for some fotm anime.
Scenes that should have hit hard just come across as melodramatic cringe and the dialogue is so expository. Also the main char being like I'm dreaming right?! I'm dreaming!? It's just fricking anime moment.
Gzilla looks dope but sometimes he looks horrible.. in the ocean he looks photorealistic though.
The stylized overacting is because Japanese acting schools descend from Noh and Kabuki theatre where everyone wears masks, so body language and vocalization are emphasized. Japanese people also actually behave like that irl among close confidants to an extent. It's part of the Asian "inside face, outside face" culture. They're reserved among strangers and in professional settings, but they switch up and become much more open and exaggerated in their mannerisms among friends and family.
No, it's only a Cinemaphile meme that doesn't really exist in film criticism outside of it and could be a reaction to Japanese movies being popular and Japanese language being so different.
In Japan even before movies became popular there was the Shingeki school of acting. Western-style theatre that was mostly interested in plays of famous Western authors and was meant to be realistic.
Based JP culture understander. Just curious, why do you think acting has become shit in modern tokusatsu?
Modern toku is shit because they realised that by hiring pretty boy idols for heisei, both kids AND their horny housewife mothers would tune in. And over time this morphed into hiring prettier and prettier idols who could act less and less. And kids don't care because they're morons.
Those shows that Tsuburaya and Toei shits out every year that they film on their own parking lot? The fans aren't too discriminating bit they like to pretend this is in any way on par with major studio releases. They better pray the rumors about Toho starting production of live action shows are untrue. Though Toho has a bunch of idiots working for them too.
SUBTITLES ARE STILL SHIT
I watched it with subs that seemed good and were perfectly synced but had a few typos.
https://subscene.com/subtitles/godzilla-minus-one-gojira-10-10/english/3334395
thank you sir
What does "fixed retail translation" mean? Is this some (keikaku means plan) shit?
WEBMS WHERE
he was right
There's no reason to explain the first part of the plan when they already know it swims with deep sea fish.
The idea was the sudden pressure change, not the pressure itself. Under the assumption that it normally emerges from/returns to the deep sea gradually.
Yeah the plan was to kill him with the bends, or as it's known decompression illness. The issue is, I'm pretty sure humans can usually survive most cases of the bends (correct me if I'm wrong) so it's a pretty long shot trying to kill Godzilla with it. Though I applaud the attempt to kill Godzilla in a scientifically feesable way without a plot device like the Oxygen Destroyer.
People can survive the bends, but often a special decompression chamber is needed. The rate at which Godzilla was ascending was very rapid, and much slower rates can still be lethal for people.
That rapid of a pressure change would easily kill any human or (non-Godzilla) sea creature. I think the plan made sense, Godzilla is just too overpowered.
guys...
Is the "thebiscuitman" 59gb 2160p version good quality ? is there a bigger/better version ?
I feel like bluray movies under 80gb are on par with 1080p
Do you homies just never save movies or what? I wouldn’t never download a movie over 10gbs unless it was like a top 5 favorite of mine and I have like 34tbs of storage. I like to collect shit not just download and delete
qball
listen dude, I get it, you probably watch all your movies on your 2011 smartphone and that's fine.
I, however, do like to enjoy my movies in the highest quality available on my 55" 4K OLED TV.
But I am literally watching them on my 55” 4K OLED TV as well
how do you not implode knowing that you could watch your movies in 4K HDR/Dolby Vision ?
only boomer care about that shit
I honestly have no clue what Dolby Vision is and anytime I’ve ever turned HDR on everything just looks over saturated. I have thousands of movies and tv shows and I couldn’t do that if every movie I downloaded was big as frick
I have never seen something large come in a Tetris piece shaped box. Huh.
I got a 65 inch but i got no speakers, the ones on the TV are decent enough
My 77" a80j OLED demands the best and I have 90tb of storage, not my problem pleb.
I see two remux releases on torrentleech, one is 59gb and the other is 65gb
The subtitles are utterly fricked in that version. I just wasted a dl on it.
THERE ARE SUB, BUT WHO DID ITHEM? IT'S NOT OFFICAL SUBS. MTL???
>BUT WHO DID ITHEM?
Toho
They're transcribed from the camrip 1:1 barring the occasional fat finger typo. Check it out if you don't believe it.
This was a nice movie, bros. Trying to determine where it would go in my Godzilla rankings, probably in the upper half.
Hope it gets a sequel. I'd like to see them introduce a bit of a sci-fi or fantasy element but keep a similar tone to Minus One.
The movie pretty much won the Academy Award for the final battle. Everything in these 15 minutes other than the Yukikaze bridge, 20ft of deck and Shinden's wienerpit is CGI, and it really punches waaaaaaay above it's weight class and puts Hollywood productions to shame.
WHERE MINUS COLOR
can't you just set grayscale post processing on your gpu or media player or monitor to get minus color?
they specifically color graded it for black and white, its more than just switching it to greyscale
But they didn't light it for black and white, and it shows.
yeah id recommend first time watchers go with the Color but its a nice option
Nope.
I wholly expected they just desaturated the base movie until it's black and white, but they actually went the distance and completely redid the color grading for Minus Color. Added some vignetting and a more aggressive film grain while they were at it.
It really looks like a proper movie shoot in monochrome, it's not just the Original Master desaturated to take out the color.
They could have went even further and artificially aged it with film scratches, but I suppose that would be tacky and going too far.
Shin was better.
Is it possible to buy a Blu-Ray release in Japan, like through Ebay or a third party? If so, is it worth it? I'd rather not wait until November for Toho's autism to simmer down.
yes
>is it worth it
your money, who can say, lol
it's on playasia if you're interested
Does it come with English subtitles?
Nope
>Nope
Looks like I'm waiting for November, then. I'm not learning a whole language for a single movie.
Damn that looks sweet.
Not Toho's - Legendary's.
They wanted to give Minus One a wide berth both in cinemas and on home releases, digital and physical. Didn't you notice how suddenly Minus one dropped out of cinemas despite actually increasing the number of screens it played and just having a 500% attendance boost second wind due to Academy Award? GxK was about to release, so Minus One concluded its run in the west despite doing so well.
Likewise, they got a deal with Toho to keep Minus One out of stores/streaming for a year, so it doesn't step on GxK toes.
I see this in every thread but is there actually a source
A respected insider on Blu-ray Forum. It's not exactly public disclosure type of information.
90% filler
So you do see him eject, neato. Easy to miss or at least it was for me.
I wasn't looking forward to a sequel because I thought this movie worked too well as a stand alone movie. Now I'm open to that idea, but I absolutely don't want Koichi and Noriko in the sequel. They both have gone through so much that I hate the idea of the sequel going overboard with the suffering.
Noriko transforming into a kaiju like Biollante is just too harsh and heart wrenching. Koichi JUST got over his personal demons in this movie.
Maybe they return and the plot is about finding a cure for Noriko.
He will have to fly a Shinden up her snatch and explode for real this time :3
Bro, she's finished.
My main man here didn't check any hospitals and inmediately held a funeral because he tought she died
>Shit movie to be honest
>Wanted to see wienerzilla cream over what was left of bombed out-nippon.
>Got gay assed MUH FAMILY drama instead
Wouldn’t it be funny if Godzilla, like, tried to frick one of the battleships to death? What a crazy way for a sailor to die.
His design was 100x better pre-timeskip, honestly.
shin godzilla is great
minus one is great
simple as
Shame my copy has horrible subs. Sometimes early, sometimes 30 seconds late.
get better ones, don't gimp yourself
subscene or opensubtitles or snaph
I fricking love shin godzilla. can not wait to watch minus one
Already moved it over to my tv so I'll deal with it. I went for the remux.
I use a Vero 4K as my media player which can offset subtitles. Took me a little while to get right but it's tolerable now.
Yeah I think I’ll just wait a few days for this shit to be sorted out and less than 10gbs
https://nyaa.si/view/1812661
Does this one have good subtitles?
>2.2gbs
I mean..I’d go a little bigger than THAT for a Godzilla film
For 1080p it looks great, no visible artifacts or anything, the subs are timed properly and the same translation from the theaters as far as i can tell, there is two instances of back to back typos near the end but harmless
Shiiiit thanks anon I guess I’ll get this one afterall
what I did was:
>use inviskamkvextract (mkvtoolnix required) to extract the .srt file from the 1080p version
https://www.videohelp.com/software/Inviska-MKV-Extract
>put the .srt file in the 2160p .mkv using mkvtoolnix
And voilà ! the 4k version with good subtitles
wait I could save you guys some time and actually post the .srt file so you don't have to extract it.
filescatboxmoe/z4kvun.srt (add dots can't post links)
enjoy
works perfectly on the TheBiscuitMan 2160p version
For some reason, I can't find English subs, using Potplayer.
Never mind, I got the subs, but they're displaying on the top and bottom, which is new, any idea why that's the case?
No clue, never even heard of that player, just been using the good ol' MPC since forever
Figured it out, Potplayer has a lot of ways you can display the subs, so it was displaying them in two sets (and I turned off the 2nd one, which was apparently the top ones). Nice to have that kind of customizability.
Unironically I wouldn't mind this simply because I feel that a sequel that actually involved Godzilla would just be very difficult to make good and thematically and tonally consistent with Minus One. I'd be happy to be proven wrong!
>same translation from the theaters
Oh good, the translation that used "Take cover" for nigeru, or called every fricking aircraft a jet fighter
>Take cover
No dude you don't get it, they're army men they'd use "military" terms!
Honestly, anyone reading translations in 2024 gets what they deserve.
konichiwa dude!
>nigeru
Was it supposed to just mean Black person?
have a nice day normalgay freak
Nah and there's nothing you could do about it nigeru.
it's x265, so that's pretty decent
could definitely do better tho but its decent enough
https://subscene.com/subtitles/godzilla-minus-one-gojira-10-10/english/3334395 - 1080p
https://subscene.com/subtitles/godzilla-minus-one-gojira-10-10/english/3334427 - 4k (4k has a countdown before the movie starts, hence diff subs)
Are these subs correct, as in spelling and translation? Timing doesn't matter for me as I'm just gonna hardcode the subs for my own copy and adjust the timing myself.
no
if you have zero knowledge of Japanese language. maybe
otherwise nope
localized subs from the theatrical release transcribed by nerds, as official as it gets without a western release
whether that's accurate enough for you is a different matter entirely
>https://subscene.com/subtitles/godzilla-minus-one-gojira-10-10/english/3334395 - 1080p
best subs I've seen so far. nice.
The "black rain" scene was the third best theater moment I've experienced in the past few years, behind only the end of The Green Knight and Thanos's snap.
Post atomic breath scene
no, u
lmao they still didn't fix the vfx issue. 0:03 in the top right
what the frick was his problem?
looks like kinos back on the menu boys
I love Minus One
I love the Monsterverse
I love Shin
I love the Gemstone shorts
I like Singular Point
I remember my early days of being a Godzilla fan around 2005 or so when we were so barren but now we have it all bros. We have melodramatic serious Godzilla along with goofy and fun Godzilla.
The franchise is bigger than ever and is in good hands in both the east and west. Fricking Star Wars fans wish they were eating half as good as us.
This. We haven't had any big bombs so we'll definitely get more movies
i'm super happy even godzilla vs/x king kong are enjoyable.
Holy shit you’re right. I would’ve never believed in 2000 that Godzilla would beat Star Wars as far as quality content, but it’s true. I just finished minus 1 and it was great (aside from a couple minor nitpicks). I’m rewatching King of the Monsters now and will follow up with Shin.
We're currently in a Godzilla Renaissance. We're probably at the height of it but I hope I'm wrong and that it only gets better from here. I don't see the Monsterverse getting as big as the MCU during it's height but I wouldn't mind it being successful enough to get sequels while remaining a niche thing for long time fans.
In 2000 we had a well received Zilla US movie and a shit received Star Wars movie. Tho I always liked TPM.
Its funny how zoomers imagine how things were in 2000 and try to pass it as fact.
No way you're actually being a snob about the Millennium series and acting like it was as big as Shin or Minus One, or King of the Monsters 19. Or for maximum bait your talking about Godzilla 98.
he is talking about 98 and he is not even baiting, that movie was HUGE when it was released, with a cartoon attached and millions on merchandising. Yeah it was garbage, but it had a huge cultural impact in the US.
I mean the commercial campaign for it was huge but people quickly caught on to the fact that it was trash. I hated that movie when I was a kid because it was a complete disgrace and the monster didn’t even look like Godzilla outside from being a giant bipedal reptile. The directors were coming off of Independence Day and their interpretation of Godzilla fell extremely short of thats impact.
Netflix anime trilogy prequel novels are also getting fan translated. Yes the novels are actually good
I hope the good times continue.
What we really need now is a Pipeworks-esque Godzilla game. Godzilla is incredibly popular right now, they should capitalize on it.
I know that game Gigabash is getting another Godzilla DLC.
What was it about -1 that sets it apart? Why is to special to you guys?
While the Monsterverse are the Godzilla films I always wanted as a kid, Minus One is the Godzilla movie I never knew I wanted. While I still love and appreciate the fun Godzilla that I grew up watching, Minus One is a very somber and mature story. It's a historical fiction piece that elevates Godzilla beyond what I thought was capable.
Of course, if you asked me before Minus One was even announced what my ideal Godzilla movie would be, I would've said kaiju having DBZ fights set to the soundtrack of Metal Gear Rising. I'd still watch that yeah but still.
Is there a website where I can watch the hd sub version? Soaps2day doesn’t have it
Also when’s the dvd release?
How many months?
I'm kind of dumb, I just realize this wasn't actually rain but debris from the explosion made by Goji's atomic breath.
It's black rain, it couldn't have been anymore on the nose.
How would you guys want the continuity to go is Minus One got a sequel and eventually it's own series?
I'd like for Koichi to remain the primary protagonist, with Godzilla's various resurgences once again awakening his trauma, each time learnign to better deal with it. if the Godzilla of this continuity makes the heel face turn that his counterparts did in Showa and Heisei, I'd like for it to be met with Koichi making peace with his inner demons.
No, do not continue off a mediocre movie.
>with Godzilla's various resurgences once again awakening his trauma
That would be just reiterative. I like the idea of Godzilla taking several decades to regenerate from just his heart. Perhaps Akiko, Koichi's adopted daughter, could be the protagonist now as a grown up? Maybe she's vengeful because her mother died of radiation poisoning?
I wonder if this will turn into a new continuation like showa or heisei. But I bet this will be a one off. I heard TOHO plans on doing their own cinematic monster universe, but why should they set it all during the 1950s? They'll probably do another movie set in modern times then continue the series, maybe, idk
They could pull the classic tactic of just manifesting another Godzilla into existence like in the Showa era.
They showed his chunks regenerating at the end . I'd be happy if they just did a trilogy with this universe. Godzilla could come back next movie even worse and the movie would end on godzilla destroying japan entirely, with the third movie dragging in other countries to finally help kill him (representing a global effort to stop nuclear testing?)
Also stopping the cold war in this universe if america and the soviets work together
they could be called Godzilla Minus Hope or whatever instead of numbers
What does the "Minus One" mean?
after ww2 japan was at 'zero' and godzilla arriving made them at 'minus one'
The MC is a kamikaze Zero pilot who views himself as nothing, therefore below a zero
The only sequel I will accept is a cozy spinoff movie of Koichi and Noriko raising a family in post-war Japan and the minesweeping crew being bros
Yeah. I want a comfy iyashikei spinoff movie with Koichi recovering from his PTSD.
We could even have some romcom shenanigans between him and Noriko.
>The director wants a western actor for the sequel
NICK CAGE BROS IT'S OUR TIME
>You will never spend an entire weekend with Nicolas Cage getting wasted watching the entire Showa Godzilla series plus the non-Godzilla movies that are canon to that timeline such as Rodan Frankenstein vs. Baragon, and War of the Gargantuas
>Maybe throw the 1931 Frankenstein into the mix since that's technically canon
>Maybe go even further by pretending King Kong and Son of Kong are canon.
Frick that would be the best shit ever.
They can make story about survivor of US ship that destroyed by Godzilla. To contrast Koichi, the western MC hellbent for revenge and don't believe Jap can kill Godzilla so he illegally enter Japan to make sure Godzilla died.
Godzilla Minus Hope:
>movie start with flashback of US ship getting attacked
>cuts to after they defeat godzilla
>japan rebuilding yet again and studying godzilla cells
>everyone starts getting sick from the radiation
>the US navy pulls up to assess the situation and find godzilla so he doesn't attack the US mainland, also to take their research
>godzilla chunks have fully regenerated and he appears again, destroying the US navy and the city they were in
>godzilla, japan and US all fuelled by vengeance
>godzilla goes around japan destroying cities, humans race to stop him
>US nukes japan without permission to kill godzilla, he survives
>jap scientist (serizawa?) invents weapon like oxygen destroyer to kill godzilla, succeeds
>could use this weapon to gain advantage over america but kills himself and his work in the process to show americans what people should do with weapons of mass destruction
>use godzilla cells to heal everyone since godzilla is immune to radiation and has healing properties (showing how nuclear shit can be good instead of used for weapons)
The problem with having the actual US in a Godzilla film is that Godzilla is the allegorical US. It would have to be a civil war or internal dispute analogy: Blackzilla burns down the mall, Copzilla knees the ghetto, or something.
The US has been in Godzilla movies before. The Americans and the Soviets play a big role in the plot of The Return of Godzilla.
And I trust that in this 'The Further Adventures of Exploded Myth Godzilla Pt. 37' the monster analogy was successfully used by the narrative? In the two good Godzilla movies, where the monster is used well and not beaten like a dead horse to service capital investment into a franchise, the monster is the American war machine that bombed and laid waste to Japan in WW2.
Nicholas Kino
Watching Arcadia currently.
bretty good family
Only weebs will disagree BUT Japs are so trash in acting
They should've hired Kitano for the movie
>Can't act for shit
>Every scene he's in is kino anyway
>GOOD SUBTITLES AVAILABLE
The japanese bluray doesn't have english subs.
All the subtitles in the torrents are either fansubs or ones that an ESL did and muxed in from other sources
Minus One-kun probably has the weakest skin of all Goji, but the atomic breath causing a mushroom cloud every time it's fired makes up for it.
I don't know, he tanked several explosives through the movie
>torrent thread
full of pajeet beggar
>Japanese movie torrent thread
+asiatic and troony
>+asiatic and troony
+spic
I’m guessing you’re a pajeet then?
someone's nerve got stuck
ESL pajeet or good bait
Great movie but the ending copped out hard
every jap writers weakest point are ending
someone post biorante_blog sub fix
Motherfricking gomovies has its subs mistimed, I can't stream it like this
>Motherfricking gomovies has its subs mistimed, I can't stream it like this
of course they do, stupid.
they never update their movies
They updated it today, just to end up like this.
It’s probably the same as on flixhq. It’s that one scene when he returns to the village and is talking to that woman, after that it’s fine, the whole movie doesn’t have delayed subtitles.
Wait really? it's just the one scene?
It’s likely the same, transcribed by KUBA2000, in that case yes, early it’s off, but for the rest of the movie it’s good. If yours is still sifferent just go to flixhq.pe for the one I saw.
Thanks.
timestamp?
Arigatou friend, these subs are good:
Real talk, would the 20mm gun have actually killed the unmutated Godzillasaurus?
We don’t know, we can only speculate. Godzilla could have been killed on that day with that gun. Or Koichi could have been killed like the rest of the mechanics. A lesser movie would have mentioned that Odo Island Godzilla would still have been unaffected or something to let Koichi off the hook in the eyes of the audience. But it doesn’t and he never finds out and his guilt haunts him throughout the movie. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. He didn't take the shot, and nothing can change that. Knowing whether it would have killed Godzilla or not doesn’t matter after that point and you can only look forward, not back.
best take I've heard. it doesn't matter if godzilla could or couldn't survive, the point is not knowing
Good movie. Enjoyed it more than Shin.
Godzilla wrecking absolute shit is always fun to see.
Who is your favorite character?
For me it’s Noda, best head of hair and lines
>We’ll kill Godzilla with the power of the sea
noda and the captains
for me it's the one with slanty eyes that eats raw fish and doesn't frick his wife
Everyone say thank you to the late Yoshimitsu Banno
He's the main reason we have the Godzilla Renaissance that we do now and why the franchise is even bigger than Star Wars at this point.
>The man who ruined Godzilla twice
>handbrake running for 7 hours
>only 27% done encoding (54% through 1st pass)
>says 6 hours left
Can anyone who uses handbrake tell me if that '6 hours left' is accurate? Will I be waiting a long time for this to finish?
>unironically using handbrake to encode large files
da frick else am I supposed to use
ffmpeg like every non-moron. Handbrake is dogshit.
This scene and the ending got me bros, I haven’t cried to a movie in a long time
4K MINUS COLOR WHERE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anybody manage to get Atmos working? Seems to be corrupted. 5.1 plays fine.
Works normally for me
Is this a good Godzilla movie or does it have the King Kong humiliation ritual in it too?
It's good, only godzilla is in it
Japs don't know how to act like humans
Is the main character from a jpop band or something? Because he cant act for shit
the 2014 burgerzilla movie got him down perfectly and i am fully convinced no other movie will capture his likeness as well
>a fat crocodile bear got him down perfectly
Well? Ready to apologize yet?
Apologize for what? Shin Godzilla paved the way.
If they wanted, they could have the transformation in a sequel be done in defined stages like the transformation of The One in Ultraman The Next
In my mind the sequel should be more about the landscape of Japan being corrupted by the Godzilla fallout than some sort of play on Attack of the 50 Foot Woman. Those affected by the Godzilla fallout should be treated like hibakusha, but the sequel's plot should be more in the style of Godzilla vs Anguirus (as in "Somehow Godzilla returned, oh by the way the irradiated countryside just shat out another monster").
Godzilla is America. After the WW2 analogy movie Godzilla transforms into friend and protector of Japan that fights the monster avatars of other nations and extensional threats. The topical sequel would be Godzilla and Japan fighting the red dragon to the West.
Godzilla doesn't represent America because a recurring theme in the series has been that humanity needs to put aside their national conflicts in order to work together and solve problems. The monsters represent things but they don't represent other countries.
No, it's America. Specifically the American war machine, the monster from the ocean to the West that firebombs and nukes Japanese cities, that can not be defeated or stopped by conventional millitary means.
I've always taken Godzilla to be an allegory for natural disaster rather than the overt nuclear themes. Being a shithole series of islands on a fault line, Japan is rife with earthquakes, tsunamis, and the ever present threat of Fuji erupting again. That's the real mindset at play here, not firebombing and nukes, those were a temporary thing. Natural disaster is endless and undefeatable.
No. Japan suffered a very real defeat and destruction at the hands of very real monsters from across the sea. Godzilla is the monster analogy of that unstoppable war machine of destruction.
Except they do stop Godzilla in the original, and it's accomplished by inventing a stronger weapon. This doesn't make sense if it's an America/WW2 analogy because Japan lost, but it lines up perfectly if Godzilla represents nukes like the movie has always been interpreted.
No. A technological innovative weapon, inguinity, "upaya-kaushalya" of Vajrayana Buddhism, skillful means. Japan can not win by conventional means, it lost the war, the march of Godzilla across the Pacific is unstoppable, the Japanese Empire can not be established by force as the pre-WW2 leaders promised. Instead Japan will defeat Godzilla/America by inguinious trickery, by technological-economic innovation.
The Oxygen Destroyer is not meant to be "ingenious", it's horrific and could spell doom for humanity if it's recreated. Have you seen the movie? It had to go over your head to think that the creation of the Oxygen Destroyer was a triumph, Serizawa kills himself to try to stop it from being used again.
Because Japan of the 1950s is still a defeated and cowered Japan. Minus One looks forward to the optimism of the revived Japan that would come in the following decades. The original is yet to experience that cause for optimism, is instead content with survival of the monster, and pessimistic about the monster of the Korean War coming to Japan and the home islands being destroyed in a US vs Soviet/China clash.
*survival of Japan from the wroth of the monster
>very real monsters from across the sea
>noooooo don’t nuke the based nips noooo i promise they’re sorry for all the rape and genocide noooooooooo
Eh, Japan was extremely brutal and monstrous in WWII. That being said, the 2nd nuke drop was unnecessary, and arguably the first was unnecessary too since Japan was already basically defeated at that point, and they were starved of resources to continue the war.
no not really
is more correct
even in 1954, Godzilla is treated as a problem mankind created. movies like GMK and Minus One are even critical of ww2 japan
Yes, Japan did start the war, their millitarism did awaken the beast of America and invite the monster onto their shores to destroy the home islands that had never been successfully invaded before. Godzilla is man-made because he was awoken by Japan, and is the human nation of the monsterous Gaijin.
Do you mean specifically in Minus One, or in the original film? Godzilla represents weapons of mass destruction in the original, not America.
You shouldn't be posting if you haven't seen The Return of Godzilla. It's probably the best movie in the series at looking at how the Godzilla crisis would affect things on an international level. It handles its politics in a more interesting and tense way than Shin imo.
No. Most Japanese destruction was caused by firebombing, not nuclear weapons. It's the destruction of Japan in WW2 by all mechanisms. And who dropped those bombs, fire and nuclear? They're not passive disasters. If Godzilla is X weapon, then he is the American war machine. All the weapons that destroyed Japan are the weapons of America, all the destruction is caused by America, the monster is still America.
I'm not interested in Japanese abuse of their genre movies. If the monster can be used well for narrative purpose I'll watch. If it's visual genre fiction for kiddies and dummies then I'll leave that for the sci-fi readers and GoT viewers.
Godzilla doesn't just represent the destruction that Japan faced in WW2, he and the Oxygen Destroyer represent future destruction that mankind will face if they don't change their ways.
>I'm not interested in Japanese abuse of their genre movies. If the monster can be used well for narrative purpose I'll watch. If it's visual genre fiction for kiddies and dummies
You're mad about one of the movies that does exactly what you're asking for.
That's the 1950s anxiety that Japan as an American ally would be at the centre of a Cold War turned hot. That the Korean War would spill over to Japan and the home islands would be bombed and destroyed again. It's nothing to do with X-weapon, the weapons are MacGuffins. War and the destruction of war are the analogy of the film.
>It's nothing to do with X-weapon, the weapons are MacGuffins.
The Oxygen Destroyer is not a Macguffin, it's a central element of the film and arguably the core of the human plot. Having to brush it aside in order for your interpretation to work doesn't make it very convincing.
It's a MacGuffin. It's a stand in for technological inguity where conventional weapons (i.e. the Japanese armed forces in WW2) had failed. The suicide is a separate warning to Japan about reviving their armed forces, Japan was signing an alliance treaty with the US at the time and ceasing their aloofness from world affairs and international alliances. The warning is against repeating the mistakes of WW2 that could cause a new destruction of Japan by becoming involved in the Cold War; yes by nukes, but also the same weapons that destroyed Japan in WW2 like firebombing, and any new hypothetical weapons that WW3 could be fought by.
Name the oxygen destroyer anything else, have it work by any other means, and nothing in the plot changes. The Maltese Falcon could be the Chinese Hamster, the MacGuffin still serves the same role in the plot. The clever boffin invents where the millitary men who had promised Japan an empire and first rank nation status had failed.
>Name the oxygen destroyer anything else, have it work by any other means
It would still need to be
>created by serizawa
>be an incredibly powerful weapon that can destroy something that no preexisting weapon can.
Or else the plot changes. You could replace Godzilla with a different monster and it wouldn't be fundamentally different either as long as it played the same role. What both Godzilla and the Oxygen Destroyer actually do is essential to the film and can't be changed.
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>The Return of Godzilla.
is that the one with the UFO?
It's the 80s one with lots of international politics and a military gunship. The "one with the UFO" might be Godzilla 2000.
This would be a very good direction to take it, but other monsters always dilute the feeling a little bit in my opinion. Best Godzilla movies are the solo movies.
Definitely not an easy task for the director and studio.
Why would America attack Japan again?
i like the one anons Biolante theory
No, he will forever be a hack for the rebuilds.
Still seething I see.
Godzillas only in this movie for like 10 minutes and the main character is an uninteresting moron. Frick everyone who pretended this was good and made me waste time downloading it
Might as well as call this Godzilla the kdrama
This movie is so sappy
Good. I like melodrama.
More like Godzilla minus fun.
Jesus what a trope filled pile of slop this was. Should've just made a Shin sequel.
Annogays are absolutely embarrassing
Shin is dog shit poo poo. Anno should stick with his cartoons.
Toho lost so much money for not giving it a wider release.
For real, the film only had 4 screenings in my city. All of them were lat at night too.
where is minus colour???
1080p minus color is out on avistaz, 4k nowhere to be seen yet
will they share it public too?
Official subs on the 4th, yes?
No, its still just streaming on amazon in jp, nothing worldwide, unless amazon fricks up or someshit kek
They won't have Eng subs in Japan.
only 13 more hours until my epic 4k hdr dv x265 5.1 flac encode is done
Is there no legal way to watch it?
Buy the jap bluray
I really wish they didn't hammer the point about you're a kamikaze pilot you should have died so much since they literally verbally address it so many times but the theme itself works well and the movie really delivers.
>mfw scene in 3rd act at sea
>goji theme kicks in super fricking epic
>scene of sailors arriving to help
>hero doing the le scarifice kino but survives which is based
This movie had no right to be so good.
Its a frick you to the West.
Somehow a desperate bunch of civilians in a rusty ship being chased by a rubber monster had more tension than most actual action movies, yeah.
>Le frick you to the west
Oppenheimer was better and so was Anatomy of the Fall.
Shut up gay
Oppenheimer was an incoherent mess of a movie, botched waste of time.
>Oppenheimer was an incoherent mess
Anyone who finds that film incoherent is simple minded.
Your mind's been rotted on bad American films.
Quite the contrary. You need to stop consuming seasonal anime.
Of course I don't watch cartoons. You're a philstine without taste. Opp. is an incoherant mes of a film. Americans simply can not tell stories.
>You're a philstine without taste. Opp. is an incoherant mes of a film. Americans simply can not tell stories.
Your bravado feels empty when the film you're propping up is Godzilla: Minus Fun.
So Godzilla: Advent Childrens next?
i was thrown off by the drama at first because i went in blind but it enhances the Goji scenes more when you know whats at stake.
>getting Showa and Heisei tier movies in the modern day
Feels good to be a gojigay
I remember when this was first made and was sad KotM under-performed at the box office. Thinking this would never be a reality.
I still love KotM but damn, now this is finally a reality.
Minus One is better than KotM
Yamazaki needs to add Ghidoarah and Rodan in the sequel, he already has the designs made.
its weird that a godzilla film made me emotional and care about the characters
it's not good
I didn't get the name of the film until the very end, then i was like, that's clever.
i dont get it
Seed ya homosexuals seed
its was not bad. but the hype got me overexpetations. they used the american formular family drama and godzilla.
shin gojira still the best up until today. because it was a movie strictly about godzilla.
I just finished it. unimpressed. all this hype about the atomic breath scene and it just looked like a videogame? bruh
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I liked it but you have to accept that Godzilla movies are going to look like video games forever now. Unless they decided to do a full-length version of those anniversary suitmation shorts someday, I'd love that.
how come there was no new one at this year's Godzilla Festival? or was the one aa few days ago not the main one?
The Japanese festivals where those shorts debut takes place in November. The Jet Jaguar one was released last November, we're probably getting the King Ghidorah one this year.
my second viewing will be on my android watch and I will be even more unimpressed.
The first Godzilla is a clone of an alraedy existing Western monster film. What makes the Japanese interpretation of the monster interesting is its use as stand in for the bombing and destruction of Japan in WW2 and the impossibility of defeating America.
Godzilla Minus One did the same, but as an epic narrative of Japan's revival the overcoming of its WW2 Shinto-millitaristic values that sacrificed their humanity to the state, by civic society, voluntarism, technological-economic inguinity, and Christian humanism
>it was slop
>it was overhyped
>the cgi was bad
>the story was sappy
>actors were bad
should i watch it in japanese or german dubbed?
I've been out of the game for a while. Since rarbg is down for the count, where can I get my kinos from apart from stupid yify?
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I liked how they used the original score, it hit hard.
What's the word on release outside Japan?
Toho's latest press release summed it up: "Grorious Nihon ichiban. Ramen better zan hamoobuhgah. Whitu piggu pay for export of superior nihonese cultural products."
Dunno if it's outside of Japan, but it'll on Prime on the 5th