A lot of Hollywood outsources to firms. in-house VFX for CGI is barely a thing now, which is why that cost can bloat. Another thing is retakes. It's likely GM1 just had a really careful script. You ever see "Director Uncut" versions of Japanese films? Rarely, because they put a lot more thought into the screenplay. In contrast something like Solo or Rise of Skywalker each have like an hour or more of unused scenes. Solo had to be shot basically twice to make it coherent. Set up your shots and screenplay, do it once, and dont bring everyone back 3 months after wrap up going "uh yeah our test audience didnt like Kylo talking to ghost Luke, so uh Mr. Ford and Mr. Driver we need you to come back"
Japan barley has any, they outsource heavily to China. And MCU movies cost a shitton thanks to some 30 executive producers per movie and insane marketing budgets.
There is "American treated like shit", then there's "Japanese treated like shit", and even further "Chinese being treated like shit" and even further "Best Korea being treated like shit".
I'm not sure it goes any deeper than that though.
https://www.vulture.com/article/a-vfx-artist-on-what-its-like-working-for-marvel.html
https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/marvels-vfx-artists-are-suffering-now-theyre-speaking-out/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/13/marvel-vfx-artists-unanimously-vote-to-unionize.html
https://www.vulture.com/2023/08/vfx-workers-vote-to-unionize-at-marvel-for-the-first-time.html
https://www.cbr.com/marvel-studios-poor-vfx-artists-pay/
Thanks, I will dunk on Marvel
Minus One is legitimately good. It holds up as a film on the human drama alone, Godzilla just acts as a convenient and spectacular way to tie together all the themes.
>the 2014 Godzilla film, and that one was mediocre at best
Maybe it would have been as good as Minus if it was, you know, actually focusing on Godzilla and not wasting our time with le ebin MUTOs
Maybe you have a hazy recollection of 2014 Godzilla, but it was primarily focused on human drama, with a secondary focus on human reactions to Godzilla sightings, then a tertiary focus on Kaiju destruction.
This is true but doesn't really disprove my point. Zilla had to share his already limited (by necessity) screen time with those glorified Cloverfields and it wasn't worth it
People actually defend the human drama in Godzilla 2014? Bryan Cranston is the only good part of that and after he dies literally nothing on the human side matters. Literally the only characters I remember are Bryan Cranston and the Japanese "let them fight" guy. The only redeeming factor of Godzilla 2014 is the hype as frick atomic breath scenes.
Minus One has actual, legitimately compelling character-driven human drama. It's a post-WW2 period drama about a kamikaze pilot who abandons his duty at the end of the war and has to deal with shame and survivor's guilt as it drives a rift between him and everyone who cares about him. At another level, the movie deals with the general treatment of Japanese citizens and soldiers by the Imperial Japanese government. It's a premise that could be easily made to work without Godzilla and still be totally compelling, but Godzilla is utilized really well as a convergence point for all the various conflicts and themes in the movie from the personal to political levels.
Actual talent. They make a movie look that good with a Kickstarter budget, yet Hollywood throws billions at companies and gets garbage that kids could make on their home computers in the 90s.
this.
japan uses qualified and talented experts to create movies.
hollywood uses affirmative action and dei idiots to copy and paste what they find on github
>Imagine if Japan were more like us and demoralized its passionate and talented creators for being too Japanese and not diverse enough haha that would be great wouldn't it marvel sisters (male)?
Yes, that's exactly what he means. All these morons don't get that he was saying he wished he could deliver the same film on a budget that low to maximize profits.
Not that anon, but Shin was overrated. It wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t that good either. I liked the themes and some of the effects sequences, but a big chunk of the movie is a slog. I feel like Minus One did what Shin and 2014 wanted to do, but much better.
So I went to see it with my dad who's a massive nerd for old WW2 era machinery, and when they did the scene showing off the plane near the end, he noticed that the seat had german written on it.
He was able to guess what was special about the plane before Tachibana said "But wait there's one more thing" and it cut away.
Am I your dad? I kinda guessed it too cuz the krauts used ejection seats including on the Do 335 which had a pusher prop so the idea was that you could get out of the propellers when ejecting vs just bailing. I know there was some aviation technology sharing but I think it was mostly for jet and rocket fighters, but not sure if the Shinden had it. That said, I was still very glad that dumbass didn't orphan Akiko. Yeah I know her "mom" lived but still I would have been so upset, there's no way they would have done that.
It's very apparent when you realize there's only like 10 actors and the rest are basically extras.
The most expensive scenes were probably the Ginza attack and the two battleship encounters. The opening scene was fairly simple, the home sets and minesweeper boat couldn't cost that much either.
Compared to Shin Godzilla, it did underperformed, also Shin Godzilla had a very pittyful US theatrical run compared to how -1 is performing in 2 weeks, Shin only had like, a 3-4 day run? Thanks Funimation.
It isn't that radioactive. The chinks have been routinely dumping much much more radioactive shit from there reactors, and industrial byproducts, but they decided to throw a hissy fit over the Japanese doing the same in a smaller, controlled manner.
Because the director/writer/sound designer was an actual fan of the material.
Not the “Oh yeah I’m such a fan” type guy that Hollywood always shoves at you, someone who had a very real love and adoration for the material. He actually gave a shit about the product.
hollywood doesn’t even pretend to be fans, they hire some openly hostile feminist to shit feminism on everything to try and capture the fickle roastie audience
i can't tell if japanese people are really bad actors or just generally act strange. either way cool movie, wish it got a bigger budget for more action scenes
The CEO of Toho has just reported that he found some change under the sofa in his office, and thus has confirmed that the sequel to Minus One can now start pre-production.
I fricking hate what's happened to google. Where the link to the movie streaming? I know it's out there, but finding a working link is proving to be impossible.
google hasn't been the go to for this kind of thing in a decade. Are zoomers really this stupid?
Hint: It's literally a search engine built into Cinemaphile you frickin non American moron
The only problem with this meme is that it's using a poster image render for its comparison. Show and actual shot from the movie which will still look good
Saw X which was 80% in one location and essentially no CGI cost 13M (same as this movie)
imagine how little everyone there gets paid to have a whole ass movie with a CGI character and cost the same as a that.
I find it weird it's getting so much praise for the human element. Or the element I literally don't give a shit about in a Godzilla movie. And i find it weird everyone chief complain about the Hollywood ones, is the human element not being strong enough. Am I the only person that watches these movies for the monsters? Seems everyone else wants to kind of complex human drama.
First off, watch the fricking movie before you b***h about it.
Secondly, people are praising it because it's shockingly good. You don't mind just watching the people because you actually get invested.
I say this as someone who literally fast forwards through human scenes in many of the movies
thats because a major theme of the movie is life.
it deserves its praise because the setup is worth the pay off. where godzilla is the reason why and dumbass would just go see it. the set up of the characters and the situations make you feel better by the end when it comes full circle.
i suggest you see the movie, instead of being moronic.
literally godzilla feels like a side character, and thats a good thing.
the people who b***h about the human element in the hollywood movies is for sure moronic, since they only exist to plod out the plot until more kaiju fighting
but this does the human element great, and still retains a super good godzilla
Because the monsters are only in 20 minutes of any given Godzilla movie. Yeah, we're there for the monsters, but if the other 70 minutes is a genuinely great movie, why wouldn't that be better?
Since no one's really made this point: it's a Godzilla movie. You have to sit through 7/8 of the runtime without seeing the monster AT A MINIMUM. That gross majority of the film may as well be good if they're going to subject you to it.
the score really was fantastic. its the best of any single godzilla film, as far as using it to heighten any given scene with it being as bombastic or as subtle as it needs to be. the best of any godzilla film and its not even a contest.
I like when movies make the atomic breath a super weapon that fricks everything it touches. Sucks so hard in 90% of Godzilla movies when he shoots someone with it and it does nothing
Japan is obsessed with the trope of "but his power doesn't work against the villain at all!, but then he uses his power harder than he evar has before!".
In movies with no rivalsan villain it just works.
It being basically a mini nuke is a nice touch. There was one other Godzilla movie that had a similar effect but I don't remember which one it was. One of the Heisei movies I think.
That's the very uncanny original. Minus One is the darling of the hour but I think the original has more layers and at times looks like found newsreel footage.
Thanks lads. From what I just read there was the Japanese version and then an edited American version where Raymond Burr was added and a bunch of scenes were redone. I like old Ray so it should be interesting to watch the original and then the edited version to see how much was changed.
I've never seen any of them outside of the 90s American one with Ferris Bueller in it, and from what I've heard that one was shit apparently (I liked it but I like any movie that destroys New York City).
That's the very uncanny original. Minus One is the darling of the hour but I think the original has more layers and at times looks like found newsreel footage.
There's no rightful ground to gloat from when the focus was so quickly changed to monster shit and took until 2016 to make another movie with the same premise.
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Nakano was the supervisor on AMA? This doesn't seem right. Honda directed the effects scenes for the first and only time and Tsuburaya showed up a couple times like he did almost every time between 1966 and 1969 except King Kong Escapes and Latitude Zero where he was actually the director instead of just the supervisor. I need to consult the books.
5 months ago
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Maybe it has something to do with AMA being mostly stock footage from earlier films with the exception of the Gabara scenes, plus a lot of those shots were the main kid on-screen with Minilla/Minya which explains Honda.
5 months ago
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Godzilla is the bad guy in a huge chunk of his movies
5 months ago
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He can just mind his own business. Although if there are many monsters in the film him being the unexpected savior despite his fearsome power is maybe more interesting.
They save a ton because they don’t need to hire diversity consultants, authenticity experts, they don’t have to bring in Ibrahim X Kendi to talk about inclusion.
No mandatory writers rooms. No quotas. No racial clientelism to bloat the budget.
Also their actors aren’t pampered primadonnas who make a kings ransom over playing make believe.
Movies should never cost more to make than a couple of million dollars on the high end
Okay my second viewing was a total shit show. 35 FRICKING MINUTES OF COMMERCIALS AND PREVIEWS. Volume was so loud it was distorted and making one of the front speakers buzz. I may have actual hearing loss. Compared to the IMAX showing I went to the picture looked like out of focus shit. I'm kind of pissed bros. I won't be going to that theater ever again.
People in the "fandom" are an entirely different beast than general fans. The problem with fandoms is that the most vocal members are typically an insular group of autists that, over time, grow to be more in love with the echo chamber wank they produce than they are of the actual thing they're originally there to celebrate.
I did notice that but Shikishima deserves happiness, I really hope it's not something truly awful that would kill her, I'm not a fan of sad endings anymore
My mom babysat our kid while my wife and I had a date night. We went out to eat and I got my dick sucked in the theater parking lot before seeing Godzilla.
Remember, if you get married, you have to keep the romance alive.
In Minus One it's basically the remake of the original so he's the bad guy except in the original, even if it's not the focus, he's the victim of nuclear weapons, so he's a victim of the thing he symbolizes (well he symbolizes more the effects of the bomb than the bomb itself but nevermind). So instead of a kaiju hero he's a big animal that was hurt by humans so he's paying them a visit to clear his territory. Toho does only stand alone movies for the time being and Godzilla is less a character and more like an obstacle and symbol while they leav serialized and lighter takes on Godzilla to Legendary even though they co-author that series too.
Here's what the director said for just this question. >Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy, they are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.
Honda in an interview with Midi Minuit Fantastique (October 1968), according to 2010 Giant Creatures in Our World
I was wondering today where that quote originally came from because I have like dozen non-fiction books about monster movies and this quote always comes up. Honda didn't seem like the type to get really sentimental about the monsters or someone who saw them as characters but sometimes he said something profound like that.
And also today I watched this video. Which I usually don't do because I'd rather talk about these films rather than passively watch something I already know about but it was nice.
I don't know what Dolby means. Is that just a normal screen? I saw it in a normal screen and then a second time in IMAX and I would say IMAX is totally worth it and the better experience compared to a normal screen.
Seriously, how the frick did this film get big in the US? I remember walking out of the fan screen thinking that it's a very good film, but it was gonna be small and super limited because general audiences don't watch foreign films especially with subtitles. What fricking happened? Is it a lightning in a bottle case?
It's just a real good, entertaining movie in a year that has been dogshit for movies. When people are as starved for a good story as they are this year, I don't think subtitles are going to keep them away.
>Seriously, how the frick did this film get big in the US?
We are fricking starved for genuine humanity in entertainment. We exist is a globohomosexual media environment of division, fear and hatred which every fiber of our being is in revolt against it at all times.
It has more screentime and threater seats than your average jap movie (while it is still much less than sth like a true block buster)
And your choice is very limited at the moment, between the marvels wish, napoleon kek or whatever generic action movie currently showing
1. Everything else out is shit.
2. Good word of mouth.
3. Americans are mostly fine with subtitles now. They have been watching a lot more foreign, especially foreign Asian content, like Squid Game or Parasite, to name some recent content.
>3. Americans are mostly fine with subtitles now. They have been watching a lot more foreign, especially foreign Asian content, like Squid Game or Parasite, to name some recent content.
Not going to read that but basically everyone in my family likes subtitles now because dialog has become increasingly incomprehensible in the last 20 years.
It is not just mixing but the prevalence of mumble acting and screenwriters making themselves the star of the show and writing lines that are a mouthful and can't be delivered believably.
Stupid question, but: if Toho was able to distribute this themselves and beat the pants off of Hollywood despite being a limited release, why haven't they been doing this to begin with?
Japanese companies are extremely conservative with money and expenses + International distribution is pretty fricking expensive. Toho is also one of the biggest film studios in Japan and they barely hold a torch to big corpo studios like Disney when it comes to money and spending.
It's the reason why there's barely any advertising or trailers on TVs or social media.
Change in policy? They was focusing on their internal japanese market more
May be they saw how asiatic movies could be successful international, plus the japs are dying out of old age so their economy is very stagnated, gotta try sth new
I'm wondering if they were displeased with the way Funimation handled Shin. Besides the super-short run, the trailers they cut were awful and I wouldn't show them to someone to get them interested in the movie. Toho's three Minus One trailers are all kino.
>tfw just finished supernova in the east again
japan was the most kino country during wwii, their history in general after the rapid modernization is both impressive and insane
im glad they used the post wwii setting
the zero was straight up amazing and mogged everything else at the time. it's a shame learning about how incredibly wasteful they were with lives (like banzai), they achieved incredible things with iwo jima style tactics for example
The Zero was an amazing plane but what made it so effective was at the start of the war, Japan legitimately had the best pilots in the world, and it wasn't even close. Their main academy for training new pilots was so strict that like 98% of candidates washed out.
This really fricked Japan in the long run though because while they started the war with a cadre of basically superhuman pilots with no equal, they weren't rotating those pilots out to train new ones, and after a few months of war attrition set in and they lost that advantage. Attrition made even worse by the fact that they did not wear parachutes.
Japan in WWII is so fascinating but also a little moronic.
Riffing on that, one of the ironic outcomes of the Pearl Harbor attack was that it dispersed thousands of seasoned NCOs, because their old assignments were either destroyed or weren't going to be seaworthy for ages. That allowed the NCOs to better train the green recruits flooding into the service. Absent the Pearl Harbor attack specifically, the Navy would've kept the NCOs on their existing ships and not intermixed them with the raw recruits.
>Japan in WWII is so fascinating but also a little moronic.
That's what makes it fascinating. It's like watching lolcows. It's sometimes horrifying but you can't look away as it's somehow life-affirming to see some moron fighting to exist in a reality beyond comprehension and be totally genuine about it because they lack the capacity to obfuscate.
but japan unlike lolcows were often amazing at what they were doing, but that had the inadvertent effect of prolonging the war and suffering. fighting them was an absolute nightmare despite them being severely disadvantaged
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>fighting them was an absolute nightmare despite them being severely disadvantaged
After everything I've read about the Pacific theater I think to me that sounds like the absolute worst hellhole you could get caught up in in the entire war. Even the Eastern Front doesn't sound as bad.
Imagine just slogging away on some sweltering muddy island for months fighting an absolutely psychotic enemy thats culture is so alien to yours that you might as well not even be fighting other human beings. And they really fricking hate you and want to behead you.
And then for R&R they just send you to some other shitty sweltering muddy island that you already killed all the japs on.
5 months ago
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the night attacks where they jumped into foxholes with knives were straight up horror, frick that
>Japan in WWII is so fascinating but also a little moronic
for sure, and arguably *very* moronic at times. the leadership was completely schizo and out of control, this mixed with fanatical dedication and motivation makes for amazing history
>japan was the most kino country during wwii, their history in general after the rapid modernization is both impressive and insane
Oh yeah really impressive >Army and Navy constantly killing prime ministers and each other, leaving Japan completely unstable >opportunistically seize German eastern colonies in WW1 >army and navy still bushwhacking each other constantly >opportunistically seize Manchuria from a crumbling China >decide you can invade all of China >fail because of course you couldn't penetrate into the fricking countryside that's crawling with armed insurgents you fricking moron >decide attacking America will fix your problems >they don't >your army and navy are still fricking killing each other during all of this btw >get nuked >surrender >American vassal >that's it
He said the most kino country, not the best country you nerd. How is any of that you listed anything but kino? Especially generals assassinating eachother left and right. That shit is wild
I wasn't being sarcastic when I posted that, it was merely an observation.
The whole "Hollywood has a lot to learn from this film that will barely make any real money" stuff is taking it a bit far tho.
5 months ago
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Just a reminder about how to do basic story structure and character development would suffice for me.
>JET JAGAR? JET JAGAR! >HE MOTHER NEVER REALLY LOVE HIM
wtf man. why you attacking my boy like that?
5 months ago
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>The whole "Hollywood has a lot to learn from this film that will barely make any real money" stuff is taking it a bit far tho.
It's not taking it far enough. Hollywood can't seem to learn. It's going to fail and something will replace it. Same with the entire global system post-WWII. It's all over but the crying. The only question is what comes next.
5 months ago
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>It's going to fail and something will replace it.
It's just the last Old School system of entertainment beginning to fail. >Albums >Broadcast Television >Video Rental Stores >Cable and Satellite >Physical Media
Now it's just theaters turn to fade off, killed off by several factors.
It's not going to be sustained by low-budget Japanese cheese, either.
5 months ago
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And let me add that the main quandry is that Theaters are dying, without anyone really devising what the real replacement is, unless it's really going to be Streaming services grouping up to be NuCable Bundling, which frankly seems a bit awful?
5 months ago
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>without anyone really devising what the real replacement is
The real replacement is make shit people want to see and make going to the theater not terrible. I saw -1 in IMAX and it was great. Went again to some not IMAX showing at another theater and the picture looked like shit, the sound was WAY too loud and one of the speakers was buzzing. They played 35minutes of commercials and trailers before running the movie. Deliver a product people want to buy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You went to an Imax to watch niche cheese, which hasn't even made 50 million, and most of that in Japan. That is not even remotely a model for Hollywood to copy, even at that budget.
At that point you just make cheap Horror sequel movies and likely pull twice the money, and they already do that prolifically.
Most of the Saw movies have outgrossed this, and you can't even bring children to them.
5 months ago
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>cheese
You keep saying this. What exactly is your definition of "cheese"?
5 months ago
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Cheap special effect monsters horrifying low-pay relative unknown actors in manipulative plots, same as it has been for the last 80+ years.
Or "B-movies" if you prefer.
5 months ago
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You see everything in dollar signs huh >manipulative plots
What does this even mean?
5 months ago
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>You see everything in dollar signs huh
But it's fine that you see agendas in everything huh
You want Hollywood to abandon "agendas", and it was all about chasing money before that.
5 months ago
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>You want Hollywood to abandon "agendas"
Don't put words in my mouth homosexual. You're the one who brought up the word "manipulative" first, and I still don't know what you mean by it any more than what you meant by "cheese"
5 months ago
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>Don't put words in my mouth homosexual.
Oh so we wanna play pretend. Ok.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The real problem is that people are burned out on irony and cynicism, which basically everything pushed out by modern Hollywood. Constant quips and subversion of expectations just doesn't interest people anymore.
The success of Godzilla and to probably a bigger extent Top Gun last year proves that what audiences really crave now is sincerity. They want straight forward, earnest stories with likeable characters and happy endings.
Hopefully they get the message but I won't hold my breath.
5 months ago
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>The real problem is that people are burned out on fear and stress
The oligarchs have mindfricked everyone with non-stop fearmongering, division and escalating tension to the breaking point. Everyone is fricking tired(as intended) and is just looking for some pleasant respite from the trauma. There will be none any time soon.
5 months ago
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>The whole "Hollywood has a lot to learn from this film that will barely make any real money" stuff >that will barely make any real money
You just can't help yourself huh. This sort of thinking is why Hollywood is in its current state
5 months ago
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>This sort of thinking is why Hollywood is in its current state
Hollywood makes stuff like this all the time, generally for television or streaming.
5 months ago
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>Hollywood makes stuff like this all the time
Like what?
And what's stopping them from doing it for a giant lizard on the big screen?
5 months ago
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>Like what?
Again, cheap horror schlock. And there's a lot more money in horror schlock than rubber suit foreign language schlock.
And way, way more money into subcontracting kaiju schlock to Chinese legendary.
You guys are obsessed with COSTS, what matters is how much is takin an AFTER costs.
5 months ago
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>cheap horror schlock
We've been talking past each other this whole time. I'm talking about audiences loving the material and every sentence out of you involves money. We're not gonna convince each other
5 months ago
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let's not start pretending there's not affection for long-running horror franchises, ok?
5 months ago
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>Hollywood makes stuff like this all the time, generally for television or streaming.
They don't though, because it it's on streaming they'll just push absurd diversity or homos to push "the message". If Minus One was made in Hollywood, they'd find some way to shove gays into post-WWII Japan.
5 months ago
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>If Minus One was made in Hollywood, they'd find some way to shove gays into post-WWII Japan.
And then part of their promotion strategy would be to tell their ideological opponents they can't do anything about it. "Shut up and sing" became "shut up and watch/listen." Hubris.
Due to the blast, Noriko has a mind-link to the now rejuvenated Godzilla and can control him, meanwhile the Soviet Union sees Godzilla as a Japanese super-weapon the U.S. is using in a proxy war and has created Mechagodzilla to combat Godzilla.
It isn't that radioactive. The chinks have been routinely dumping much much more radioactive shit from there reactors, and industrial byproducts, but they decided to throw a hissy fit over the Japanese doing the same in a smaller, controlled manner.
I actually cried when Noriko turned up alive at the end
This monster movie made me feel more for these characters than any prestigious Hollywood drama I've seen in at least a decade. This movie really exposed just what a joke modern Hollywood has become. Not even a joke, an embarrassment. They should be absolutely embarrassed at how far they've fallen.
>This movie really exposed just what a joke modern Hollywood has become
I was thinking the same thing watching it. Sure you could accuse it of being saccharine, but what are we going to the films for if not to feel? This thing totally pantsed the hollywood fraud.
I saw multiple people in rows ahead wiping away tears.
>Sure you could accuse it of being saccharine
But you are willing to regress to a 10 year old for amateurish, maudlin Japanese Product. We have noticed.
This is what I am talking about. You aren't responding to Le israelite Producer, you need to dial it down (several) notches.
These threads aren't a life-and-death battle against Deep-State glowies, Trans-agenda or ~~*them*~~. It's not a schizo-competition either.
>Sure you could accuse it of being saccharine
But you are willing to regress to a 10 year old for amateurish, maudlin Japanese Product. We have noticed.
>t. seething hollywood writer mad because people would rather watch a giant lizard than his preachy out of touch slop now
Ya love to see it
anyone else love the way they played around with the classic roar and G’s sound design in general? I recall it being too true to the original in Shin, making it sound kind of weak and out of place, especially because Godzilla’s roar is something Legendary godzilla got spot on. there was even a part where Godzilla hisses
Maybe youre right. idk, id need to side by side compare and scrutinize, but I thought it sounded it a lot more natural in minus one. and it seemed he was just making more sounds in general
Japanese animators and VFX artists get shit pay in Japan. The average burger flipper in the US makes more than they do. Especially now with the shit value of yen.
Can't imagine the quality of life for the average Joetaro in animu is much worse than that of the average Californian protesting in Hollywood
Tokyo is still one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in, and the middle of America isn't nearly as expensive as Tokyo or New York.
>Tokyo is still one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in
This is only true if you're trying to live right next to the Yamanote Line stations
isn't this more of a thing with shitty studios that pump out seasonal anime every few months? I remember reading some Japanese animator saying there's a list of studios containing shitty and good ones to work at. also low pay is pretty universal in japan
The fact that Minus One was apparently made for $15 million entire sorta belies any idea that the grunts were making decent wages, unless only 20 people made the whole damn thing and then starred in it.
It's "reputation" is being a modern iteration of the (better) old Godzilla movies, that is doing better than usual in the United States (but probably not adjusted). Which is fine.
Some Cinemaphile autists are trying to inflate it into "the movie that destroyed Hollywood", which is just sad and laughable.
>Some Cinemaphile autists are trying to inflate it into "the movie that destroyed Hollywood", which is just sad and laughable
That's Cinemaphile every day with any movie. How new are you?
>"the movie that destroyed Hollywood"
Hollywood destroyed Hollywood. Minus One is just making it obvious to everyone how bad things have really gotten.
I think Americans are overestimating Japanese economy.
Their Live Action companies are so poor and budgets are very limited and no government support at all.
I thought 15M is already too much for their LA budget.
There are simply more ticket buying people interested in "Giant Monster Carnage Spectacle" than there are people interested in "People with life problems have their drama interrupted by a Giant Monster appearing and briefly wrecking some stuff".
This is why Zilla 2000, 2014 perform beneath stuff like Skull Island and the Chinkendary Studios Zilla movies. Minus One is further crippled by the fact that most of the world just doesn't want to see Japanese people try to act.
>just doesn't want to see Japanese people try to act
It's a shame because the performances in this one were alright. Kamiki plays the same character in all his movies but it worked okay here, and Noriko's actress was good. The only cringey actors were that mean lady neighbor and the naive kid on the minesweeper boat
It's doing better than Japanese live action typically does in America (which is a super-low bar), but is it really doing well for a Godzilla movie in Japan?
cameras and computers
Japanese VFX teams are treated like slaves and cattle. It's borderline human rights abuse.
But yeah dunk on Marvel for being expensive because they treat people like humans
>Japanese VFX teams are treated like slaves and cattle. It's borderline human rights abuse.
And thats a good thing
Yeah Marvel and the entire US VFX industry are so well known for their fair and generous compensation for their artists.
A lot of Hollywood outsources to firms. in-house VFX for CGI is barely a thing now, which is why that cost can bloat. Another thing is retakes. It's likely GM1 just had a really careful script. You ever see "Director Uncut" versions of Japanese films? Rarely, because they put a lot more thought into the screenplay. In contrast something like Solo or Rise of Skywalker each have like an hour or more of unused scenes. Solo had to be shot basically twice to make it coherent. Set up your shots and screenplay, do it once, and dont bring everyone back 3 months after wrap up going "uh yeah our test audience didnt like Kylo talking to ghost Luke, so uh Mr. Ford and Mr. Driver we need you to come back"
Aren't stageplays a big thing back in Japan with Noh theater and stage adaptations of Anime?
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The Australians and Japanese made a Noh play called Oppenheimer a while back. Just found out while scrolling through YouTube searches.
The play has both White and Japanese actors.
Didn't that team that animated sausage party get israeliteed hard?
He was being sarcastic, anon
whatever it takes to produce great results, comrade! i don't see you in the street protesting. sad.
The director himself did the VFX moron, he seems fine.
>Marvel movies are expensive because they treat people like humans
Is this the new euphemism for israeli Financial Fraud?
>because they treat people like humans
Lmao do Disneed sloppers really believe that?
How many?
You're a complete moron for assuming that.
Wasn't there a strike recently because the people working on these million dollar franchises were making only a few hundred dollars?
this is american cope. the second a japanese movie mogs america the burgers show up suddenly as experts on japanese film industry.
Japan barley has any, they outsource heavily to China. And MCU movies cost a shitton thanks to some 30 executive producers per movie and insane marketing budgets.
There is a reason even the worst anime is better than the best western show.
Marvel CGI is made by 10k indians working minimal wage.
Marvel outsources their CGI to studios in fricking INDIA
And yet godzilla still looks like dog shit
trannies mad
>>But yeah dunk on Marvel for being expensive because they treat people like humans
Exquisite bait
>they treat people like humans
>hire a Kang who threatens suicide to stop the gf he injured from going to the hospital
You care as much about human rights as you care about the Palestinians whose flag you put next to the baby blanket flag in your bio.
>they treat people like humans
This. They treat their employees humanly. And their loyal audience like mindless cattle.
CGI ruined cinema so I'm glad the bastards behind it are suffering at least.
If you don’t treat them like slaves they pull a fricking invincible season 2 and stop after the 4th episode
>Marvel treats people like humans
LMAO
That's a good one
The Marvel VFX artists unionized this year specifically because they were treated like shit and faced terrible deadlines
There is "American treated like shit", then there's "Japanese treated like shit", and even further "Chinese being treated like shit" and even further "Best Korea being treated like shit".
I'm not sure it goes any deeper than that though.
The israelite fear the samurai
https://www.vulture.com/article/a-vfx-artist-on-what-its-like-working-for-marvel.html
https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/marvels-vfx-artists-are-suffering-now-theyre-speaking-out/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/13/marvel-vfx-artists-unanimously-vote-to-unionize.html
https://www.vulture.com/2023/08/vfx-workers-vote-to-unionize-at-marvel-for-the-first-time.html
https://www.cbr.com/marvel-studios-poor-vfx-artists-pay/
Thanks, I will dunk on Marvel
you just dont get it do you
ive been tricked by Cinemaphile into watching 4 godzilla movies "oh this ones good"
cant be
wont be fooled again
nobody cares about you
I care about him.
I care about him, it's you who I don't care for
Minus One is legitimately good. It holds up as a film on the human drama alone, Godzilla just acts as a convenient and spectacular way to tie together all the themes.
Respectfully, that's exactly the same argument that people used to defend the 2014 Godzilla film, and that one was mediocre at best.
>the 2014 Godzilla film, and that one was mediocre at best
Maybe it would have been as good as Minus if it was, you know, actually focusing on Godzilla and not wasting our time with le ebin MUTOs
>Maybe it would have been as good as Minus if it was, you know, actually focusing on Godzilla and not wasting our time with le ebin MUTOs
THIS.
Maybe you have a hazy recollection of 2014 Godzilla, but it was primarily focused on human drama, with a secondary focus on human reactions to Godzilla sightings, then a tertiary focus on Kaiju destruction.
This is true but doesn't really disprove my point. Zilla had to share his already limited (by necessity) screen time with those glorified Cloverfields and it wasn't worth it
People actually defend the human drama in Godzilla 2014? Bryan Cranston is the only good part of that and after he dies literally nothing on the human side matters. Literally the only characters I remember are Bryan Cranston and the Japanese "let them fight" guy. The only redeeming factor of Godzilla 2014 is the hype as frick atomic breath scenes.
Minus One has actual, legitimately compelling character-driven human drama. It's a post-WW2 period drama about a kamikaze pilot who abandons his duty at the end of the war and has to deal with shame and survivor's guilt as it drives a rift between him and everyone who cares about him. At another level, the movie deals with the general treatment of Japanese citizens and soldiers by the Imperial Japanese government. It's a premise that could be easily made to work without Godzilla and still be totally compelling, but Godzilla is utilized really well as a convergence point for all the various conflicts and themes in the movie from the personal to political levels.
Imagination and passions.
https://natalie.mu/eiga/column/545398
Dude is the Japanese Gareth Edwards. VFX background and was hands-on with the CGI, doing some of it himself.
>Dude is the Japanese Gareth Edwards
No, he actually made a good movie. Something Edwards never has.
Actual talent. They make a movie look that good with a Kickstarter budget, yet Hollywood throws billions at companies and gets garbage that kids could make on their home computers in the 90s.
this.
japan uses qualified and talented experts to create movies.
hollywood uses affirmative action and dei idiots to copy and paste what they find on github
>Imagine if Japan were more like us and demoralized its passionate and talented creators for being too Japanese and not diverse enough haha that would be great wouldn't it marvel sisters (male)?
CGI isn't really expensive and japanese actors are really cheap
couldn't this mean that it was more than that?
Are you suggesting the director wished he had LESS money to work with?
That anon might be ESL.
What a strange new obsession.
Yes, that's exactly what he means. All these morons don't get that he was saying he wished he could deliver the same film on a budget that low to maximize profits.
Haven't seen much of the minus one godzilla design. How it compares to shin? That's my favorite design
I loved it.
Looks cool
Looks good, but Shin edges it out just a bit for me.
actually kill yurself
>hates shin godzilla
I appreciate you opening up to me about your reprehensibly shitty taste. Go back to watching Barbie.
Not that anon, but Shin was overrated. It wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t that good either. I liked the themes and some of the effects sequences, but a big chunk of the movie is a slog. I feel like Minus One did what Shin and 2014 wanted to do, but much better.
Why is its lower body so fricking fat?
squatmaxx
thicc goji is best goji
Squats and oats.
homie is pure muscle
More basic but still pretty good. Looks oddly cute when they focus on the head, which is quite a bit.
I don't "get" monster movies with one monster, like they just go around wrecking the place and the people are like "noooo it's wrecking the place".
They're disaster movies where the monster is the disaster. Godzilla acts as a catalyst for the character's journey.
Wait, you guys aren't pretending to be the monster?
>not walking around wrecking furnitures and hitting walls while watching kaiju flick
Why do you even watch those films
oh shit thats my friend there being quoted there
So I went to see it with my dad who's a massive nerd for old WW2 era machinery, and when they did the scene showing off the plane near the end, he noticed that the seat had german written on it.
He was able to guess what was special about the plane before Tachibana said "But wait there's one more thing" and it cut away.
Am I your dad? I kinda guessed it too cuz the krauts used ejection seats including on the Do 335 which had a pusher prop so the idea was that you could get out of the propellers when ejecting vs just bailing. I know there was some aviation technology sharing but I think it was mostly for jet and rocket fighters, but not sure if the Shinden had it. That said, I was still very glad that dumbass didn't orphan Akiko. Yeah I know her "mom" lived but still I would have been so upset, there's no way they would have done that.
Gonna say it right now:
I don't care. I just want a new Gamera movie
turtle pussy hmMm
It's very apparent when you realize there's only like 10 actors and the rest are basically extras.
The most expensive scenes were probably the Ginza attack and the two battleship encounters. The opening scene was fairly simple, the home sets and minesweeper boat couldn't cost that much either.
>only 10 characters and the rest extras
Isn’t this 90% of movies?
>there's only like 10 actors and the rest are basically extras
and Hollywood needs to get back to that. Stop making movies and shows with 20 fricking leads
That's what happens when you don't have to spend like 50 million dollars on some overrated actors.
>13m budget
>Will probably pass $100m by the time it's done
Based
This is pretty normal for japanese movies.
wait shin ultraman made 35 million on a 6 million dollar budget?
Why did people here give me the impression that it flopped?
Compared to Shin Godzilla, it did underperformed, also Shin Godzilla had a very pittyful US theatrical run compared to how -1 is performing in 2 weeks, Shin only had like, a 3-4 day run? Thanks Funimation.
The budget goes further when it's an actual film and not a israeli money-laundering racket.
OH FU-
You wish.
>all that free protein going to waste
rip Cinemaphileizens
probably unrelated
The sea, really?
They can't just, I dunno, put the waste water into a proper facility?
It isn't that radioactive. The chinks have been routinely dumping much much more radioactive shit from there reactors, and industrial byproducts, but they decided to throw a hissy fit over the Japanese doing the same in a smaller, controlled manner.
Because the director/writer/sound designer was an actual fan of the material.
Not the “Oh yeah I’m such a fan” type guy that Hollywood always shoves at you, someone who had a very real love and adoration for the material. He actually gave a shit about the product.
hollywood doesn’t even pretend to be fans, they hire some openly hostile feminist to shit feminism on everything to try and capture the fickle roastie audience
I’d say that’s a more recent occurrence. Typically the promotion was to pretend you’re a fan like Ayer and Snyder.
i can't tell if japanese people are really bad actors or just generally act strange. either way cool movie, wish it got a bigger budget for more action scenes
how do we profit from this?
>we
Just got back from the theaters watching it.
its pure kino. only disney gays normies cant comprehend this level of cinema.
2 dollar budget
The CEO of Toho has just reported that he found some change under the sofa in his office, and thus has confirmed that the sequel to Minus One can now start pre-production.
>CGI garbage with videogame action scenes
I knew nips have no soul, but I didn't think they were sellouts.
I fricking hate what's happened to google. Where the link to the movie streaming? I know it's out there, but finding a working link is proving to be impossible.
google hasn't been the go to for this kind of thing in a decade. Are zoomers really this stupid?
Hint: It's literally a search engine built into Cinemaphile you frickin non American moron
You need to learn how to google because that's how I found the movie you fricking tool.
found it, frick google. frick theaters. watching now.
Lmao more people watched the marvels
Pod people aren't people.
The only problem with this meme is that it's using a poster image render for its comparison. Show and actual shot from the movie which will still look good
>people
Doubt
Saw X which was 80% in one location and essentially no CGI cost 13M (same as this movie)
imagine how little everyone there gets paid to have a whole ass movie with a CGI character and cost the same as a that.
This movie absolutely mogged Shin Godzilla. Shit just looks like a joke in comparison now.
I find it weird it's getting so much praise for the human element. Or the element I literally don't give a shit about in a Godzilla movie. And i find it weird everyone chief complain about the Hollywood ones, is the human element not being strong enough. Am I the only person that watches these movies for the monsters? Seems everyone else wants to kind of complex human drama.
it's just the current thingers doing current thing things
people like this one because it handled the human elements very well while in the other ones it was not and just distracted from the monster.
Godzilla is cool in the movie too. Only way it could be better is if they have this Godzilla fight another monster in the sequel.
You don't watch 30 Godzilla movies without getting used to the human element.
First off, watch the fricking movie before you b***h about it.
Secondly, people are praising it because it's shockingly good. You don't mind just watching the people because you actually get invested.
I say this as someone who literally fast forwards through human scenes in many of the movies
he didn't even b***h you sensitive fricking homosexual
You done having your tantrum?
thats because a major theme of the movie is life.
it deserves its praise because the setup is worth the pay off. where godzilla is the reason why and dumbass would just go see it. the set up of the characters and the situations make you feel better by the end when it comes full circle.
i suggest you see the movie, instead of being moronic.
literally godzilla feels like a side character, and thats a good thing.
Because you're a child who hasn't cultivated his taste since Power Rangers. The monster is a literary device for the film maker to use.
your average israelitellywood slop eater everyone
Monsters in movies are often representative of an element of humanity that's scary
You should be beaten at least that bloody.
the people who b***h about the human element in the hollywood movies is for sure moronic, since they only exist to plod out the plot until more kaiju fighting
but this does the human element great, and still retains a super good godzilla
Because the monsters are only in 20 minutes of any given Godzilla movie. Yeah, we're there for the monsters, but if the other 70 minutes is a genuinely great movie, why wouldn't that be better?
Frick, you beat me to it.
Since no one's really made this point: it's a Godzilla movie. You have to sit through 7/8 of the runtime without seeing the monster AT A MINIMUM. That gross majority of the film may as well be good if they're going to subject you to it.
It's a reddit thing.
when the frick is the webrip gonna drop
is there even gonna be a torrent
Eventually I imagine.
So was that a burn mark on the MC's b***h at the end or is she mutating?
the soundtrack placement in this movie was fricking amazing
i smiled so fricking hard once godzilla arrived in ginza
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the score really was fantastic. its the best of any single godzilla film, as far as using it to heighten any given scene with it being as bombastic or as subtle as it needs to be. the best of any godzilla film and its not even a contest.
Oh...it's just the exact same main godzilla theme they've used since the first godzilla film.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Godzilla stomping around a city while that theme plays will never get old. We can be doing it 100 years from now and it will still be kino
>We can be doing it 100 years from now and it will still be kino
This unironically. I enjoy kaiju fights.
Fight me about it, b***hes.
Why would I fight you, my brother?
>querida, trae la escopeta
I like when movies make the atomic breath a super weapon that fricks everything it touches. Sucks so hard in 90% of Godzilla movies when he shoots someone with it and it does nothing
Japan is obsessed with the trope of "but his power doesn't work against the villain at all!, but then he uses his power harder than he evar has before!".
In movies with no rivalsan villain it just works.
It being basically a mini nuke is a nice touch. There was one other Godzilla movie that had a similar effect but I don't remember which one it was. One of the Heisei movies I think.
Which movie is this from?
I've been thinking about checking out some Godzilla movies and figured I'd start with the older ones.
It looks like the 1954 Godzilla. That's the one you should start with and then you can skip around from there.
Thanks lads. From what I just read there was the Japanese version and then an edited American version where Raymond Burr was added and a bunch of scenes were redone. I like old Ray so it should be interesting to watch the original and then the edited version to see how much was changed.
I've never seen any of them outside of the 90s American one with Ferris Bueller in it, and from what I've heard that one was shit apparently (I liked it but I like any movie that destroys New York City).
>I've never seen any of them outside of the 90s American one with Ferris Bueller in it, and from what I've heard that one was shit apparently
The movie was good it just wasn't a Godzilla movie. You'll understand if you actually see enough Godzilla movies.
That's the very uncanny original. Minus One is the darling of the hour but I think the original has more layers and at times looks like found newsreel footage.
>Godzilla's the bad guy?
Good lord how do I know you're a tertiary without you wearing an "I'm a tertiary" sign
A what? Please don't tell me today is the day I first come into contact with new buzzword people obsess over for years to come.
There's no rightful ground to gloat from when the focus was so quickly changed to monster shit and took until 2016 to make another movie with the same premise.
Nakano was the supervisor on AMA? This doesn't seem right. Honda directed the effects scenes for the first and only time and Tsuburaya showed up a couple times like he did almost every time between 1966 and 1969 except King Kong Escapes and Latitude Zero where he was actually the director instead of just the supervisor. I need to consult the books.
Maybe it has something to do with AMA being mostly stock footage from earlier films with the exception of the Gabara scenes, plus a lot of those shots were the main kid on-screen with Minilla/Minya which explains Honda.
Godzilla is the bad guy in a huge chunk of his movies
He can just mind his own business. Although if there are many monsters in the film him being the unexpected savior despite his fearsome power is maybe more interesting.
Less than 1000 narrative designers or whatever the movie version of those are.
WHERE IS THE UPLOAD
They save a ton because they don’t need to hire diversity consultants, authenticity experts, they don’t have to bring in Ibrahim X Kendi to talk about inclusion.
No mandatory writers rooms. No quotas. No racial clientelism to bloat the budget.
Also their actors aren’t pampered primadonnas who make a kings ransom over playing make believe.
Movies should never cost more to make than a couple of million dollars on the high end
Lads is the gayest fricking term on the planet.
Okay my second viewing was a total shit show. 35 FRICKING MINUTES OF COMMERCIALS AND PREVIEWS. Volume was so loud it was distorted and making one of the front speakers buzz. I may have actual hearing loss. Compared to the IMAX showing I went to the picture looked like out of focus shit. I'm kind of pissed bros. I won't be going to that theater ever again.
Watch it it at a 4DX cinema, Godzilla roller coaster ride for 2 hours. It's great fun. Imax sound is the best though.
Show me the CGI
I fricking hate the Monsterverse because it's an expression of the fanon shit that has long plagued this franchise
you mean what general fans have wanted for over 40 years?
how dare they
People in the "fandom" are an entirely different beast than general fans. The problem with fandoms is that the most vocal members are typically an insular group of autists that, over time, grow to be more in love with the echo chamber wank they produce than they are of the actual thing they're originally there to celebrate.
probably hiding budget in government subsidies and other accounting.
>it was less than the $15m we thought it was and they keep earning more
What a win for Zilla bros. Hopefully this means more good monster movies.
The power of SOUL
>we could get 20 jap kaiju films for the price of one legendary godzilla
>250k food tables
>jews sneaking in overpaying their friends
>bloated cali wages
how is there still no camrip? i want to rewatch that beam sequence over and over. it was so fricking kino.
Just got home from it aside from Noriko survivingit was absolute kino, I loved it
It's a plot device. That wasn't a smudge on her neck.
I did notice that but Shikishima deserves happiness, I really hope it's not something truly awful that would kill her, I'm not a fan of sad endings anymore
I liked the happy ending, my man Koichi needed it after all his suffering
I liked the ending, reminded me of Top Gun where they're like, frick it, give them the 100% completion fmv.
Noriko surviving is part of what MAKES it kino, you absolute pleb.
Homogeneous Society
What would you like to see in a minus one style versus movie?
I think something like Hedorah works as a modern opponent, and has a message that still connects.
or Biollante.
>Godzilla on an dead world
I get the idea that he'd become utterly miserable and despondent.
Since Minus One seems grounded, if they do a series of VS movies they should start off with the more dinosaur-like kaiju like Anguirus and Rodan.
I love movies that celebrate life in the midst of great catastrophe.
My mom babysat our kid while my wife and I had a date night. We went out to eat and I got my dick sucked in the theater parking lot before seeing Godzilla.
Remember, if you get married, you have to keep the romance alive.
>I got my dick sucked in the theater parking lot before seeing Godzilla
I had a gf like that before. I miss it. Good for you, fren, living the dream.
Tell me about Gojira. Why was he the bad guy in this? Doesn't he protect humanity from giant bugs and turtles and shit?
In Minus One it's basically the remake of the original so he's the bad guy except in the original, even if it's not the focus, he's the victim of nuclear weapons, so he's a victim of the thing he symbolizes (well he symbolizes more the effects of the bomb than the bomb itself but nevermind). So instead of a kaiju hero he's a big animal that was hurt by humans so he's paying them a visit to clear his territory. Toho does only stand alone movies for the time being and Godzilla is less a character and more like an obstacle and symbol while they leav serialized and lighter takes on Godzilla to Legendary even though they co-author that series too.
Here's what the director said for just this question.
>Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy, they are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.
Honda in an interview with Midi Minuit Fantastique (October 1968), according to 2010 Giant Creatures in Our World
I was wondering today where that quote originally came from because I have like dozen non-fiction books about monster movies and this quote always comes up. Honda didn't seem like the type to get really sentimental about the monsters or someone who saw them as characters but sometimes he said something profound like that.
And also today I watched this video. Which I usually don't do because I'd rather talk about these films rather than passively watch something I already know about but it was nice.
how do I get noriko gf?
be a coward who abandons your duty to your nation and emperor
Don't abandon a helpless baby.
Dolby or IMAX? What's the best format?
someone....give me a (You)...
I don't know what Dolby means. Is that just a normal screen? I saw it in a normal screen and then a second time in IMAX and I would say IMAX is totally worth it and the better experience compared to a normal screen.
Alternative for IMAX, I've seen it in IMAX and DBOX XD, but I'm curious on what's the best format to watch this
Oh, I don't think we have that around here, so I don't know. Sorry.
It's okay you tried your best
I saw minus one but I mixed up the trailers and was waiting for godzilla to turn pink for the whole movie.
Just got back from the theater. Megakino. I also felt actual human emotions. I hope word of mouth makes it a hit.
Seriously, how the frick did this film get big in the US? I remember walking out of the fan screen thinking that it's a very good film, but it was gonna be small and super limited because general audiences don't watch foreign films especially with subtitles. What fricking happened? Is it a lightning in a bottle case?
It's just a real good, entertaining movie in a year that has been dogshit for movies. When people are as starved for a good story as they are this year, I don't think subtitles are going to keep them away.
Fair point, but this is a Japanese live action movie and they've been on the back burner for a long time in Japan. It's actually stagnating
>Seriously, how the frick did this film get big in the US?
We are fricking starved for genuine humanity in entertainment. We exist is a globohomosexual media environment of division, fear and hatred which every fiber of our being is in revolt against it at all times.
$20m after two weeks is not big in the US. Hollywood just had three major disasters, Wish, Napoleon and Marvels which left a vacuum.
It has more screentime and threater seats than your average jap movie (while it is still much less than sth like a true block buster)
And your choice is very limited at the moment, between the marvels wish, napoleon kek or whatever generic action movie currently showing
is Napoleon worth a shot? I'm aware of the reviews but it's not that bad, right?
No, it's worse. That movie convinced me that Ridley Scott has officially completely lost any talent he might have ever had. It's appallingly bad.
I thought my friend was exaggerating on it being worse than the reviews. He was giving the battle sequences a lot of shit.
1. Everything else out is shit.
2. Good word of mouth.
3. Americans are mostly fine with subtitles now. They have been watching a lot more foreign, especially foreign Asian content, like Squid Game or Parasite, to name some recent content.
>3. Americans are mostly fine with subtitles now. They have been watching a lot more foreign, especially foreign Asian content, like Squid Game or Parasite, to name some recent content.
https://www.techguide.com.au/news/internet-news/why-gen-z-likes-to-read-subtitles-when-theyre-watching-tv-shows-and-movies/
Not going to read that but basically everyone in my family likes subtitles now because dialog has become increasingly incomprehensible in the last 20 years.
That's the shitty audio mixing they do now. I swear these hollywood fricks ruined color, they ruined audio and they ruined writing.
Hollywood is fricking dead. The only question is what happens next.
It is not just mixing but the prevalence of mumble acting and screenwriters making themselves the star of the show and writing lines that are a mouthful and can't be delivered believably.
Noriko was top qt in this.
you know those people that can do the warhammer CGI thing and the anime tie fighter short. thats how you hire people with talent.
Stupid question, but: if Toho was able to distribute this themselves and beat the pants off of Hollywood despite being a limited release, why haven't they been doing this to begin with?
It's made 47 million anon, the profit ratio is good but it's not a big movie.
Japanese companies are extremely conservative with money and expenses + International distribution is pretty fricking expensive. Toho is also one of the biggest film studios in Japan and they barely hold a torch to big corpo studios like Disney when it comes to money and spending.
It's the reason why there's barely any advertising or trailers on TVs or social media.
Change in policy? They was focusing on their internal japanese market more
May be they saw how asiatic movies could be successful international, plus the japs are dying out of old age so their economy is very stagnated, gotta try sth new
I'm wondering if they were displeased with the way Funimation handled Shin. Besides the super-short run, the trailers they cut were awful and I wouldn't show them to someone to get them interested in the movie. Toho's three Minus One trailers are all kino.
>tfw just finished supernova in the east again
japan was the most kino country during wwii, their history in general after the rapid modernization is both impressive and insane
im glad they used the post wwii setting
That and their military equipment was really cool. Their planes were awesome and their shitty tanks were goofy but interesting.
I'm hoping we get some WW2-esque Ace Combat game
I wish these homosexuals would just make a modern, updated version of picrel. This shit was so much fun
the zero was straight up amazing and mogged everything else at the time. it's a shame learning about how incredibly wasteful they were with lives (like banzai), they achieved incredible things with iwo jima style tactics for example
The Zero was an amazing plane but what made it so effective was at the start of the war, Japan legitimately had the best pilots in the world, and it wasn't even close. Their main academy for training new pilots was so strict that like 98% of candidates washed out.
This really fricked Japan in the long run though because while they started the war with a cadre of basically superhuman pilots with no equal, they weren't rotating those pilots out to train new ones, and after a few months of war attrition set in and they lost that advantage. Attrition made even worse by the fact that they did not wear parachutes.
Japan in WWII is so fascinating but also a little moronic.
Riffing on that, one of the ironic outcomes of the Pearl Harbor attack was that it dispersed thousands of seasoned NCOs, because their old assignments were either destroyed or weren't going to be seaworthy for ages. That allowed the NCOs to better train the green recruits flooding into the service. Absent the Pearl Harbor attack specifically, the Navy would've kept the NCOs on their existing ships and not intermixed them with the raw recruits.
>Japan in WWII is so fascinating but also a little moronic.
That's what makes it fascinating. It's like watching lolcows. It's sometimes horrifying but you can't look away as it's somehow life-affirming to see some moron fighting to exist in a reality beyond comprehension and be totally genuine about it because they lack the capacity to obfuscate.
but japan unlike lolcows were often amazing at what they were doing, but that had the inadvertent effect of prolonging the war and suffering. fighting them was an absolute nightmare despite them being severely disadvantaged
>fighting them was an absolute nightmare despite them being severely disadvantaged
After everything I've read about the Pacific theater I think to me that sounds like the absolute worst hellhole you could get caught up in in the entire war. Even the Eastern Front doesn't sound as bad.
Imagine just slogging away on some sweltering muddy island for months fighting an absolutely psychotic enemy thats culture is so alien to yours that you might as well not even be fighting other human beings. And they really fricking hate you and want to behead you.
And then for R&R they just send you to some other shitty sweltering muddy island that you already killed all the japs on.
the night attacks where they jumped into foxholes with knives were straight up horror, frick that
>Japan in WWII is so fascinating but also a little moronic
for sure, and arguably *very* moronic at times. the leadership was completely schizo and out of control, this mixed with fanatical dedication and motivation makes for amazing history
>japan was the most kino country during wwii, their history in general after the rapid modernization is both impressive and insane
Oh yeah really impressive
>Army and Navy constantly killing prime ministers and each other, leaving Japan completely unstable
>opportunistically seize German eastern colonies in WW1
>army and navy still bushwhacking each other constantly
>opportunistically seize Manchuria from a crumbling China
>decide you can invade all of China
>fail because of course you couldn't penetrate into the fricking countryside that's crawling with armed insurgents you fricking moron
>decide attacking America will fix your problems
>they don't
>your army and navy are still fricking killing each other during all of this btw
>get nuked
>surrender
>American vassal
>that's it
yeah that's the insane part i mentioned, which you left out for some reason. your point?
He said the most kino country, not the best country you nerd. How is any of that you listed anything but kino? Especially generals assassinating eachother left and right. That shit is wild
This, newbies don't comprehend that "Kino" means "moronic garbage we are fond of".
>"moronic garbage we are fond of"
>"moronic garbage we are fond of"
Yes
I wasn't being sarcastic when I posted that, it was merely an observation.
The whole "Hollywood has a lot to learn from this film that will barely make any real money" stuff is taking it a bit far tho.
Just a reminder about how to do basic story structure and character development would suffice for me.
wtf man. why you attacking my boy like that?
>The whole "Hollywood has a lot to learn from this film that will barely make any real money" stuff is taking it a bit far tho.
It's not taking it far enough. Hollywood can't seem to learn. It's going to fail and something will replace it. Same with the entire global system post-WWII. It's all over but the crying. The only question is what comes next.
>It's going to fail and something will replace it.
It's just the last Old School system of entertainment beginning to fail.
>Albums
>Broadcast Television
>Video Rental Stores
>Cable and Satellite
>Physical Media
Now it's just theaters turn to fade off, killed off by several factors.
It's not going to be sustained by low-budget Japanese cheese, either.
And let me add that the main quandry is that Theaters are dying, without anyone really devising what the real replacement is, unless it's really going to be Streaming services grouping up to be NuCable Bundling, which frankly seems a bit awful?
>without anyone really devising what the real replacement is
The real replacement is make shit people want to see and make going to the theater not terrible. I saw -1 in IMAX and it was great. Went again to some not IMAX showing at another theater and the picture looked like shit, the sound was WAY too loud and one of the speakers was buzzing. They played 35minutes of commercials and trailers before running the movie. Deliver a product people want to buy.
You went to an Imax to watch niche cheese, which hasn't even made 50 million, and most of that in Japan. That is not even remotely a model for Hollywood to copy, even at that budget.
At that point you just make cheap Horror sequel movies and likely pull twice the money, and they already do that prolifically.
Most of the Saw movies have outgrossed this, and you can't even bring children to them.
>cheese
You keep saying this. What exactly is your definition of "cheese"?
Cheap special effect monsters horrifying low-pay relative unknown actors in manipulative plots, same as it has been for the last 80+ years.
Or "B-movies" if you prefer.
You see everything in dollar signs huh
>manipulative plots
What does this even mean?
>You see everything in dollar signs huh
But it's fine that you see agendas in everything huh
You want Hollywood to abandon "agendas", and it was all about chasing money before that.
>You want Hollywood to abandon "agendas"
Don't put words in my mouth homosexual. You're the one who brought up the word "manipulative" first, and I still don't know what you mean by it any more than what you meant by "cheese"
>Don't put words in my mouth homosexual.
Oh so we wanna play pretend. Ok.
The real problem is that people are burned out on irony and cynicism, which basically everything pushed out by modern Hollywood. Constant quips and subversion of expectations just doesn't interest people anymore.
The success of Godzilla and to probably a bigger extent Top Gun last year proves that what audiences really crave now is sincerity. They want straight forward, earnest stories with likeable characters and happy endings.
Hopefully they get the message but I won't hold my breath.
>The real problem is that people are burned out on fear and stress
The oligarchs have mindfricked everyone with non-stop fearmongering, division and escalating tension to the breaking point. Everyone is fricking tired(as intended) and is just looking for some pleasant respite from the trauma. There will be none any time soon.
>The whole "Hollywood has a lot to learn from this film that will barely make any real money" stuff
>that will barely make any real money
You just can't help yourself huh. This sort of thinking is why Hollywood is in its current state
>This sort of thinking is why Hollywood is in its current state
Hollywood makes stuff like this all the time, generally for television or streaming.
>Hollywood makes stuff like this all the time
Like what?
And what's stopping them from doing it for a giant lizard on the big screen?
>Like what?
Again, cheap horror schlock. And there's a lot more money in horror schlock than rubber suit foreign language schlock.
And way, way more money into subcontracting kaiju schlock to Chinese legendary.
You guys are obsessed with COSTS, what matters is how much is takin an AFTER costs.
>cheap horror schlock
We've been talking past each other this whole time. I'm talking about audiences loving the material and every sentence out of you involves money. We're not gonna convince each other
let's not start pretending there's not affection for long-running horror franchises, ok?
>Hollywood makes stuff like this all the time, generally for television or streaming.
They don't though, because it it's on streaming they'll just push absurd diversity or homos to push "the message". If Minus One was made in Hollywood, they'd find some way to shove gays into post-WWII Japan.
>If Minus One was made in Hollywood, they'd find some way to shove gays into post-WWII Japan.
And then part of their promotion strategy would be to tell their ideological opponents they can't do anything about it. "Shut up and sing" became "shut up and watch/listen." Hubris.
>JET JAGAR? JET JAGAR!
>HE MOTHER NEVER REALLY LOVE HIM
Ah, I see you are a man of good taste. Not unlike myself.
It felt so good to see Jet Jaguar again in that short, he looked great.
>we
>calling anyone a newbie
well when you put it like that
Half the appeal is there’s no Black folk
You have 10 seconds to give us your pitch for the sequel to Minus One. Go!
hibakusha arc for noriko
Due to the blast, Noriko has a mind-link to the now rejuvenated Godzilla and can control him, meanwhile the Soviet Union sees Godzilla as a Japanese super-weapon the U.S. is using in a proxy war and has created Mechagodzilla to combat Godzilla.
Only if Soviet Mechagodzilla has a brooding remix of this theme complete with some Gregorian chanting mixed in
Eh, would rather see the soviets and nips teaming up.
>Noriko has a mind-link to the now rejuvenated Godzilla and can control him
This idea did not work well for Pacific Rim 2
godzilla is back and fricking shit up
noriko contains the special weapon needed to poison him and sacrifices herself
Based on irl concurrent news such as
it can only be one thing. Hedorah. 'Nuff said.
is it true that women can actually be not prostitutes?
>sacrificed herself to save him
When was the last time we saw that in a Hollywood film? Also, he better put a ring on her after all that.
Reminder that this actress has sucked unimaginable amounts of micro-dick to appear in this flick.
I actually cried when Noriko turned up alive at the end
This monster movie made me feel more for these characters than any prestigious Hollywood drama I've seen in at least a decade. This movie really exposed just what a joke modern Hollywood has become. Not even a joke, an embarrassment. They should be absolutely embarrassed at how far they've fallen.
>This movie really exposed just what a joke modern Hollywood has become
I was thinking the same thing watching it. Sure you could accuse it of being saccharine, but what are we going to the films for if not to feel? This thing totally pantsed the hollywood fraud.
I saw multiple people in rows ahead wiping away tears.
>Sure you could accuse it of being saccharine
But you are willing to regress to a 10 year old for amateurish, maudlin Japanese Product. We have noticed.
If "Trying-Hard" was an Olympic event, you'd be world-famous.
shalom. I believe you have the marvels 2 to produce or whatever so get crackin. those paid shills arent gonna pay themselves.
This is what I am talking about. You aren't responding to Le israelite Producer, you need to dial it down (several) notches.
These threads aren't a life-and-death battle against Deep-State glowies, Trans-agenda or ~~*them*~~. It's not a schizo-competition either.
>t. doesn't realize his mind is the battlefield
The fight is wherever your attention is.
correct
>t. seething hollywood writer mad because people would rather watch a giant lizard than his preachy out of touch slop now
Ya love to see it
It really is a touching film thougheverbeit.
Saw it today and cried. It was excellent. It sadly puts everything legendary has done to shame.
How do i watch this what streaming service is it on?
>How do i watch this
https://www.amctheatres.com/movies/godzilla-minus-one-74142
https://www.cinemark.com/movies/godzilla-minus-one
Did Koichi have sex with Noriko or was he about to die a virgin?
Of course not, they weren't married.
If he had sex, it would break immersion for the intended audience.
There are no hints or secrets to learn.
If you accept that it's simply talented people working well, there's nothing surprising about it.
>If you accept that it's simply talented people working well without israeli tricks subverting their efforts, there's nothing surprising about it.
>Yamazaki bought himself a pc to work with the VFX crew because they were missing deadlines and the lack of manpower
based
Send me a video where I can watch it in cam quality. Checked a few sites and can't find it
Found it nvm I'm dumb
Thanks
it was alright
>foolicooli gay with shit taste
beyond clockwork.
VFX artists are always treated like shit,
Especially from Tom "NO CG" Cruise.
anyone else love the way they played around with the classic roar and G’s sound design in general? I recall it being too true to the original in Shin, making it sound kind of weak and out of place, especially because Godzilla’s roar is something Legendary godzilla got spot on. there was even a part where Godzilla hisses
They literally just played the classic roar over some super loud speakers. I'm not shitposting, that's what they did.
Maybe youre right. idk, id need to side by side compare and scrutinize, but I thought it sounded it a lot more natural in minus one. and it seemed he was just making more sounds in general
Japanese animators and VFX artists get shit pay in Japan. The average burger flipper in the US makes more than they do. Especially now with the shit value of yen.
I don't remember Canaan in this donut anime
>current exchange rate of 105 (as of Nov. 2016)
If only they knew how worse things would get
>The wages of a VFG crew is roughly that of a Wendy's franchise.
Explains a lot.
The cost of living in Japan also isn't anywhere near as insane as it is in the US.
Tokyo is still one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in, and the middle of America isn't nearly as expensive as Tokyo or New York.
Can't imagine the quality of life for the average Joetaro in animu is much worse than that of the average Californian protesting in Hollywood
>Tokyo is still one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in
This is only true if you're trying to live right next to the Yamanote Line stations
isn't this more of a thing with shitty studios that pump out seasonal anime every few months? I remember reading some Japanese animator saying there's a list of studios containing shitty and good ones to work at. also low pay is pretty universal in japan
The fact that Minus One was apparently made for $15 million entire sorta belies any idea that the grunts were making decent wages, unless only 20 people made the whole damn thing and then starred in it.
>$15 million entire
Technically it's worth more over there because the yen is so weak agains the dollar
To a degree, but Japan is not Thailand or Vietnam.
The average price of a movie ticket in Japan is about $9.75, the average price in the USA is roughly $11.75.
Japan is hardly a turd world country.
they had passion and hard work
It seems like quite a few people are overlooking the fact that Yamazaki himself is a VFX artist.
They're a bunch of mamby pamby Hollywood shills out to destroy Minus One's reputation!
It's "reputation" is being a modern iteration of the (better) old Godzilla movies, that is doing better than usual in the United States (but probably not adjusted). Which is fine.
Some Cinemaphile autists are trying to inflate it into "the movie that destroyed Hollywood", which is just sad and laughable.
>Some Cinemaphile autists are trying to inflate it into "the movie that destroyed Hollywood", which is just sad and laughable
That's Cinemaphile every day with any movie. How new are you?
>"the movie that destroyed Hollywood"
Hollywood destroyed Hollywood. Minus One is just making it obvious to everyone how bad things have really gotten.
this has probably been asked a million times before, but how many gundams would it take to bring down godzilla?
Just one.
unlimited beam works
Mhmm. we all know how devastated Godzilla is by a bunch of tinies shooting beams, missiles and assorted weapons at him.
The only people who cared about Godzilla in G14 were Ken Watanabe and a few people next to him.
I think Americans are overestimating Japanese economy.
Their Live Action companies are so poor and budgets are very limited and no government support at all.
I thought 15M is already too much for their LA budget.
There are simply more ticket buying people interested in "Giant Monster Carnage Spectacle" than there are people interested in "People with life problems have their drama interrupted by a Giant Monster appearing and briefly wrecking some stuff".
This is why Zilla 2000, 2014 perform beneath stuff like Skull Island and the Chinkendary Studios Zilla movies. Minus One is further crippled by the fact that most of the world just doesn't want to see Japanese people try to act.
>just doesn't want to see Japanese people try to act
It's a shame because the performances in this one were alright. Kamiki plays the same character in all his movies but it worked okay here, and Noriko's actress was good. The only cringey actors were that mean lady neighbor and the naive kid on the minesweeper boat
Who cares? So what if something else makes more money? For a Godzilla move Minus One is doing very well. That's good.
It's doing better than Japanese live action typically does in America (which is a super-low bar), but is it really doing well for a Godzilla movie in Japan?
it's amazing when you don't have israeli producers trying to launder money using bloated Diversity hires huh
Takao should've been in it for longer