i paid to see -1 and have been waiting eagerly to watch it again to the point that i would probably have paid again if it stayed in theaters this long
i liked 2014
after KotM and GvK, probably won't even notice a torrent is out for this until anons mention it kek
not that anon, but no fricking way
Rodan in KotM is actually formidable
he'd ass blast the meganulons with just his wing concussion or whatever he's got now
But despite all of the negative reactions and hatred towards Legendary and the films turning Godzilla into a punching bag joke guest star, Toho apparently believes the franchise name hasn't been damaged. Why would they think that for Tristar but not for Legendary?
But why does Toho support this sloppiest slops of the sloppy slop and I sloppy sloppy slop da sloppa slop-slop when it's doing far more damage than Zilla could ever hope to achieve?
you are obviously a zoomer and possibly moronic
Because TriStar Godzilla was rejected so hard that Random House cancelled all their Godzilla books and Trendmasters went bankrupt from all the shelfwarming iguanas and Missile Launching Ferris Bueler figures.
>you are obviously a zoomer and possibly moronic
90% of the discourse here is the Monsterverse is the most pozzed troony homosexual shit ever created by mankind.
Here's an idea... origin stories are lame, but here's one that would be great to see: King Ghidorah. Show how he was born or created and how he wrecked Venus or killed off the dinosaurs.
1954 Godzilla
1962 King Kong vs. Godzilla
1964 Mothra vs. Godzilla
1964 Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster
1965 Invasion of Astro-Monster
1966 Ebirah Horror of the Deep
1971 Godzilla vs. Hedorah
1972 Godzilla vs. Gigan
1974 Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
1975 Terror of Mechagodzilla
1989 Godzilla vs. Biollante
1993 Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
1995 Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
1999 Godzilla 2000 Millenium
2001 Godzilla Mothra And King Ghidorah Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
2002 Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
2003 Godzilla Tokyo S.O.S.
2004 Godzilla Final Wars
2016 Shin Godzilla
2023 Godzilla: Minus One >Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy, they are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.
Minus One is up there with some of the best films I’ve ever seen by the way
Even though I prefer Legendary Godzilla as a character and Shin Godzilla as a concept
NO U Yeah I know I'm just shitposting. They also used a large animatronic for the scene where Zilla ate that fish truck. Say what you want about the movie but it had craft
Have you seen the original concepts for what ‘98 Godzilla was going to look like? It was way closer in design to Japanese Godzilla of the time, they probably made him more dinosaur-like to capitalise on the success of Jurassic Park
yeah the Stan Winston one right? But in the end they even copied the JP raptor scenes using Zilla's babies. I still like 1998 though, I think it's fun. Just skip most of the human scenes as usual
1 month ago
Anonymous
I really don’t like the weird snout and eyes on pic related
But yes, I unironically think Zilla, or 98 Godzilla, is a fricking brilliant design, but not AS Godzilla
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's weird because a lot of the the original 90s US Godzilla concepts were made by the very people behind the Jurassic Park dinosaurs, like Stan Winston and Crash McCreery (pic related)
The problem was that when Emmerich and Devlin came in they threw all that out, wrote a new story, and asked Patrick Tatopoulos to make an entirely new design based on their weird specifications
ultimately I think Ricardo Delgado's design for G'94 was my favorite of them, added some more "accurate" dinosaur features but still maintained recognizable Godzilla features like the maple-leaf spines and general head shape
1 month ago
Anonymous
Was also nice that GvK finally saw the idea of Godzilla occasionally dropping onto all fours finally come to fruition
(was initially proposed in the 1983 Fred Dekker script, the again in the 1994 Rossio/Elliot script -- Rossio later worked on GvK so he probably lobbied to work it in)
1 month ago
Anonymous
Oh yes, Godzilla getting so fricking pissed at Kong that he dropped on all fours and went full-on feral alligator at him was fantastic
1 month ago
Anonymous
Kaneko also intented that his godzilla walk like that, all hunch over like a trex, but toho told him NO.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I don't think Toho told him no, it just ended up not working out; the actor couldn't support himself walking like that.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I hate to break it to you, but they used a suit for 1998. The movie is not fully CGI.
1998 like all American chads that think rubber suits are dumb
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Pre mutated Godzilla in Minus One definitively rakes after thesw design, also look at how agile he is and how he moves like an actual dinosaur, whereas fully transformed he moves like is is struggling to walk straight up and slowly, which i believe is deliberate.
It's weird because a lot of the the original 90s US Godzilla concepts were made by the very people behind the Jurassic Park dinosaurs, like Stan Winston and Crash McCreery (pic related)
The problem was that when Emmerich and Devlin came in they threw all that out, wrote a new story, and asked Patrick Tatopoulos to make an entirely new design based on their weird specifications
1 month ago
Anonymous
Emmerich basically Producers himself into making the movie. He never wanted to make Godzilla and hated the character, so he tried making something as off-brand as he possibly could. But Toho just wanted the project to get moving after the Debont/Winston version fell apart and let it go through.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I don’t think it would’ve worked either way given the technology of the time, hindsight is 20/20
With that being said I’ve still come to appreciate 98 Godzilla, it even seemed like it got homaged by the first form of Minus One
1 month ago
Anonymous
yeah the Stan Winston one right? But in the end they even copied the JP raptor scenes using Zilla's babies. I still like 1998 though, I think it's fun. Just skip most of the human scenes as usual
Remember what Roland and Emmerich took away from us because they despised the very core of what Godzilla is.
Godzilla (1954)
That other anon's list is okay but he's missing some good ones. It's best to just watch all of them (besides All Monsters Attack, you can skip this.) Look up the different eras of Godzilla and watch them chronologically, but definitely start with the original film for the best results.
Uh no
No it does not
But would still recommend if you want to see big monsters beating up big monsters
I might need more time to digest it to come up with proper critique
For me personally it goes:
K:SI 7/10
Godzilla/Godzilla Kotm 6/10
GvK/GxK 4/10
But you may prefer different things to me
But one thing I will not back down from is that the soundtrack peaked in KOTM and every subsequent film has had a worse soundtrack
With the new movie's ost being the worst
Fair enough, I find the darker lighting makes the contrast better, especially with how GvK had that red/green lighting going on in their last fight
Ironically I think the best Legendary Godzilla fight isn’t on the big screen, but is actually from the (EXTREMELY GOOD) TV show
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1 month ago
Anonymous
I actually agree with this I want who ever directed/storyborded this scene to help on the films
1 month ago
Anonymous
I think it’s the less-is-more philosophy, they had to make the best they could within their boundaries for the show with their limited budget, while in the movies they have hundreds of millions to work with which leads to really wacky and disorienting storyboarding just for the sake of it
1 month ago
Anonymous
Dropped it on magical Black folks flashback, should I pick it back up or just watch the scenes on YT?
1 month ago
Anonymous
the latter imo
1 month ago
Anonymous
>the (EXTREMELY GOOD) TV show
stfu Black personhomosexual.
1 month ago
Anonymous
This was one of the few times I was cool with a character being forced to be gay, because she was still a good character
Too often the token gay character is just there to be an airy fairy perfect instance to fill a quota, but Kate isn’t like that
She fricks up, she makes mistakes, she regret them, and I think it’s implied those mistakes got her ex killed, which only compounds the failures she must live with
1 month ago
Anonymous
>forced to be gay
Like every black rapper in the industry? homosexualry is a death cult there is no excuse to support it in anyway.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I don’t support it
I’m crediting that this inclusion was handled organically
1 month ago
Anonymous
>this inclusion was handled organically
1 month ago
Anonymous
I mean if all you’ve seen is a screenshot of two girls kissing then of course you’d think that
Kate cheats on her girlfriend, which leads to them evacuating separately on G day, which results in her ex getting killed by the rampage of Godzilla or the MUTO
I’d expect any other series would have them stay together, because you’re not allowed to portray gays as having flaws, right?
1 month ago
Anonymous
No I watched the show right up until they shoved the DEI Black person femoid uber leet haxxor living in glorious nippon into it. Her very first line is obnoxious c**t attitude. NOOOOO THANKS.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah she sucks, I can’t fault you there, but even she got some alright characterization, and her role did lead to some important worldbuilding
She totally should’ve died at the end though
1 month ago
Anonymous
>yeah it's bad/woke/degenerate trash BUUUT
Why would anyone be an apologist for this shit? You got stockholm syndrome or some shit?
1 month ago
Anonymous
I literally agreed with you my guy, relax
Just skip her scenes, the show is solid
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Just skip her scenes, the show is solid
Her scenes and other assorted homosexualry mean the show is not solid.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Alright then simply don’t watch it, it’s no skin off my nose
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Alright then simply don’t watch it
It really is that shrimple. I watched the 5 mins of Godzilla footage on youtube. There's nothing else in the show for me.
1 month ago
Anonymous
There’s nothing in the show for you because you won’t watch it in the first place; what do you want, a pat on the head and a gold star?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>what do you want
Non-pozzed Godzilla entertainment made by competent people.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I’m complaining, please validate me
No, go b***h somewhere else
If you didn’t like it then that’s too bad, we don’t have anything else to talk about
1 month ago
Anonymous
>we don’t have anything else to talk about
You must be new. Godzilla fans haven't run out of things to talk about for 70 years.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I’m well aware, but would you be surprised if I said this was the first time I’ve ever posted on Cinemaphile
I just wanted to drop immediate first impressions of the new film somewhere, on the most part this place isn’t so bad
1 month ago
Anonymous
>would you be surprised if I said this was the first time I’ve ever posted on Cinemaphile
Oh, it shows, redditor.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>he thinks Cinemaphile is the only board on Cinemaphile
1 month ago
Anonymous
Cinemaphile is reddit's doorstep, same shit
1 month ago
Anonymous
Catch me dead before I set foot in that place
1 month ago
Anonymous
>the show is solid
Solid shit.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>DEI
Is this the newest buzzword your kind is trying since all the rest failed as badly as you have?
1 month ago
Anonymous
No we're literally trusting the science.
1 month ago
Anonymous
And you people call everyone else weak spineless whiny snowflakes.
I just rewatched KotM and I don't get why people are so protective of this soundtrack. The only times it got me were when they brought in Ifukube's Godzilla march.
Nah it doesn't top either in terms of excitement. Stakes are pretty low. It does deliver in terms of spectacle and the villain wasn't bad, but it's completely skippable.
>Would you say it tops KOTM and GvK?
homie KOTM is by far the absolute worst piece of shit ever in this franchise. '14 is still the best burger made godzilla movie
>Godzilla gets an upgrade >Kong gets an upgrade >Kong goes up to call Godzilla >Godzilla just sees red because Kong is trespassing >They fight and Kong finally got the upperhand, starts dragging Godzilla by tail (funniest scene in the movie) >Godzilla gets mad and breaks free, about to murder Kong with his new breath >Mothra intervenes
I like the fact that even after both got upgrades, Kong still loses to Godzilla, although this time it's not as embarrassing as 2021.
>this time it's not as embarrassing
Godzilla spared Kong out of respect
Forcing him to get down and dirty is no small feat
But yeah, Team Godzilla are undefeated
I would’ve liked if Godzilla tried to reason with her, since he was shown to be more intelligent than just being a maniacal death machine, or at the very least have him realise she’s being controlled
>have him realise she’s being controlled
Goji stopped attacking shimo after minikong destroy the mcguffin
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, before that, I mean
There were tons of silent dialogue moments with Kong, but Godzilla didn’t really get anything besides going “Hmph, alright” to Mothra
1 month ago
Anonymous
Goji was the one that banished lanky kong into hollow earth. He already knew that shimo is under influence
1 month ago
Anonymous
>lanky kong
Holy kek how did I not make this connection until now
>at the very least have him realise she’s being controlled
Shimo knows but the Crystal that Skar King uses causes her massive amounts of pain for some reason, so she obeys.
>I could have killed 'em all those apes, I could've killed you. In that cave you're the law, out here it's me. Don't push it! Don't push it or I'll give you a war you won't believe. Let it go. Let it go!
Tiamat was already featured in one of the graphic novels, she’s bad fricking news. I was really surprised to not only see her mentioned, but actually get screentime.
What I wish they’d do is make a beat-em up video game in the style of Save the Earth or Unleashed, and give tons of classic monsters redesigns that way. Because Legendary Mothra, Rodan, and Ghidorah are all their best looking designs in my opinion. I’d love to see them tackle Destoroyah or Biolante.
A fourth Atari Pipeworks Godzilla fighting game made today would be so damn good.
-more stages from all around the world including Rio de Janeiro, Hong Kong, Skull Island, Antarctica, and Egypt
-bring back all 24 monsters from Unleashed
-add: >Gezora >Ganimes >Kamoeba >Gorosaurus >Frankenstein >Sanda >Gaira >Ebirah >Kamacuras >Kumonga >Desghidorah >Dagarah >Mothra Leo >Bagan >Zilla >the Gryphon >HokMUTO >FeMUTO >Shin Godzilla >Legendary Mothra >Legendary Rodan >Legendary King Ghidorah >Behemoth >Scylla >Methuselah >Camazotz >Tiamat >Kong >Legendary Mechagodzilla >Skar King >Shimo
>bring back all 24 monsters from Unleashed
If I could add any characters to the roster, I'd add >gamera >king kong >hedorah >zilla >legendary godzilla >ultraman
>forgot Hedorah, thank you
Probably because it seems like he'd already be part of the roster. One of the more glaring omissions. He actually appeared in Destroy All Monsters Melee but he wasn't playable. >And if we could get other franchises I'd definitely add Gamera, Ultraman, Yongaary, and of course this awesome guy.
I just remembered that back in the day people wanted Cloverfield.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Unleashed had several monsters that were scrapped, it's pretty tragic.
Fire Lion, The Visitor, and Lightning Bug - These three, along with Obsidius, were the conceptualized new monsters to be voted into the game (Krystalak was going to be in the game regardless). Obsidius was the monster ultimately voted into the game, and the other three monsters were discarded. Fire Lion would have been a part of the Earth Defenders faction, while The Visitor and Lightning Bug would have been part of the Aliens faction.
Hedorah - Not made due to complex cell shading that was required due to his blob-like form, as well as due to his changes of forms, which were impossible to do with the Wii. Hedorah would have been part of the Aliens faction.
King Kong - Mentioned in an interview. King Kong was not included due to rights issues with Universal Pictures.[3] He would have been a member of the Earth Defenders faction.
Mechani-Kong - Mentioned in an interview. Would have been a part of the Aliens faction.[3]
Gamera - Mentioned in an interview. Would have been part of the Earth Defenders faction.[4] Gamera most likely could not be included due to being owned by Kadokawa.
Zilla - Zilla was not seriously considered for the game due to the negative fan perception of the character during the development and release of Godzilla: Save the Earth. Would have been a part of the Mutants faction.[5][6]
Bagan - Mentioned in an interview. Would have been a part of the Mutants faction. The developers chose to include other more obscure monsters in the game instead of Bagan, with Varan specifically mentioned.[5]
Clover - Mentioned in an interview. Was not actually considered to be in the game.[5]
Monster X / Keizer Ghidorah - Reportedly was briefly considered, but was deemed "not interesting enough" and his transformation was too complex to include in the game. Due to this, Monster X was never in serious consideration to be added to the game.
I want one so bad. I got in the mood for one and dusted off my Gamecube to play some DAMM, then bought Gigabash to fill the void for wanting something new.
I know there's that Save the Earth Melee mod out there, but I don't PC game.
I grew up loving Godzilla and other kaiju stuff, but I could just never get down with the Tokusatsu stuff like Ultraman and Power Rangers. I lose interest the second you introduce a Japanese dude prancing around in tights and a mask. It just makes the miniatures that much more obvious. Godzilla and Gamera are just cooler.
So I won't be watching. I knew Wingard is full of shit. He pretends to be a huge fan of Godzilla (maybe he is or was but he prefers Kong now) and Legendary put Godzilla in the title to fool people.
Kong has always been more popular in America than Godzilla. Kong is also more empathetic to a casual audience. Most people don’t know what the frick a “Showa” or “Heisei” era is.
No, he hasn't. The monster kids generation worshipped Kong. Or rather the original movie. They didn't give a crap about the rest of the genre they just loved the 1933 movie. Gradually it changed and a new generation emerged. Since the 70s Godzilla was more or less on par with Kong in terms of popularity even won a popularity poll. Then around mid 00s when for the first time there was a release of original versions of Godzilla movies his superiority became pretty obvious. In fact it was probably already a thing since the 90s.
Today it's Kong who's trying to catch up with Godzilla. 70 years of near constant presence (and now finally with accessible back catalogue) vs a character who showed up once every 30 years to redo the same story.
That reminds me, Godzilla '98 and Disney's Mighty Joe Young are the reason why we didn't get Jackson's Kong in the 90s. The studio was afraid to compete and the crappy box office those two got made them all the more ready to pull the plug. Then Jackson went off to make Lord of the Rings and used his clout to do a bigger version of his remake pitch.
It looks aweful. I hate how they had to inject humanity into any of these films at all other than dealing with collateral or creating stakes.
Kong listening to some little girl like she's the foremost advisor in human-kaiju relations is bonkers. If Kong was getting a gauntlet it should have been the wreckage of something he improvised by bashed around his arm. Getting a human-made power fist is so dumb. Buddy cop relationship with Godzilla is moronic.
Loved watching Godzilla running like a man in a suit, though. The entire movie should have just been two hours of that.
Going to watch it with friends but I need to marathon the whole saga
I just watched Kong (kino) but couldn't finish Godzilla (2014) I was bored to death...
I made a difficult decision not to watch this movie in theatre. I love Godzilla so much and I love this version I find him very interesting. Which is why I'm not going to watch a film that pretends is about both Godzilla and Kong to dupe people into watching what's a Kong solo film with Godzilla added as an afterthought. I'll be there when someone other than Wingard makes a movie with Godzilla in it.
I know what happens I decided I don't want to have a bad time watching Godzilla be like an butthole with no sympathy losing all the nuance he had a few years ago and everything focusing on how much of a cool guy Kong is.
At least I think that's how it is. Godzilla gets one semi-sympathetic scene when he sleeps in the Colosseum and comes back at the end. I don't know if anyone said something about it in the movie that he's getting used to people again or the coexistence is improving.
But then Godzilla attacks the nuclear plant. He has his reasons but I don't know if there's a scene of Monarch explaining that there's a good reason why Godzilla wanted that energy and we're on his side.
And of course he reunites with Mothra. I'm really surprised they showed it like that.
>I don't know if there's a scene of Monarch explaining
There is, Monarch said that Godzilla is powering up only because there will be something really bad
There are different kinds of Godzilla. VIllainous or heroic. This one is supposed to be heroic as per director's own words and has heroic and sympathetic qualities. Why wouldn't I want them to be there when I see a new movie with the character? He doesn't have to be nice but he has a certain characterization that Wingard can't do right but everyone else but him can.
He is heroic. He's also prideful and won't tolerate another Alpha Titan around if it doesn't submit to his King status. And if you piss him off enough he's going to stomp you. He's closest to the latter half of the Hesei era Godzilla.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I'm ok with him being edgy anti-hero but they're not giving him any gentler moments anymore or some kind of little things that made people root for him. I know there's a tiny scene with Mothra where he smiles at her and he comes back to Rome at the end with no explanation. So I'm gonna pretend he did it because he's getting a bit softer now that he knows he was wrong to mistrust everyone.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Honestly, I'm all for Godzilla remaining an butthole.
It's by far preferable to making him some soft uwu babygirl from a fanfiction
1 month ago
Anonymous
This, my opinion may not be popular but the full heroic Godzilla from the late Showa era was the worst. He doesn't need to be full Ultraman, he can be a hero and still be a grouch and prone to destruction.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Fanfiction? Didn't realize half of the showa era films and anything involving godzilla junior was fanfiction. Secondaries outing themselves as always.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Mothra calls Godzilla out in the new movie for attacking Kong, and Godzilla makes a “I dun fricked up” face after she does it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>“I dun fricked up”
More like, alright I'll listen to you
1 month ago
Anonymous
I was promised a buddy cop movie with monsters not domestic comedy sitcom with monsters.
But he just looked happy not humbled like he just knew there was no room for discussion he just went straight to forging an alliance with Kong.
1 month ago
Anonymous
And they really wanted some other character in her place? Some random OC who Godzilla would listen all of a sudden despite being the king? Who would she be somebody he was fricking on the side?
No. The only purpose of US made Godzilla films is to be so fricking garbage that Toho gets forced to make some kino to save the brand. That's it. That's all US films are for.
If that's the case, why does Toho approve of them? Wait, let me answer for you, they've been corrupted and turned by the demon gay troony liberal DEI woke cuck commiefornia brain parasites.
Toho's dream, from WAY back, is for the US to take all the risk while Toho just sits back and collects checks and does merch deals. They don't like having to gamble their money on making movies themselves. I don't even hate them for being conservative nip businessmen. Fate keeps forcing them to intervene though. Godzilla has the mandate of heaven.
If that's the case, why did they react so negatively to TriStar Godzilla to the point they immediately went back on their plan to retire Godzilla for a decade?
Because the one thing they can't let happen is for the overall image of the brand to be damaged. The reception for the film was so negative that they felt they had to put something else out to take the shit taste out of everyone's mouths.
1 month ago
Anonymous
But despite all of the negative reactions and hatred towards Legendary and the films turning Godzilla into a punching bag joke guest star, Toho apparently believes the franchise name hasn't been damaged. Why would they think that for Tristar but not for Legendary?
1 month ago
Anonymous
The reception of Legendary slop hasn't been so bad. It's been quite positive in fact despite how shit it is. You might not have been alive or paying attention in 1998 but that movie was a BIG deal. lots of hype, merch and sponsorship tie-ins and then a MASSIVE letdown after release. Internet was just a little babby back then so it's not like you could deploy your shillbot army to gaslight everyone into a more beneficial narrative. Toho had to get something new out to re-establish the brand's image at least in Japan.
1 month ago
Anonymous
But why does Toho support this sloppiest slops of the sloppy slop and I sloppy sloppy slop da sloppa slop-slop when it's doing far more damage than Zilla could ever hope to achieve?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Because Slopzilla does badass things instead of being a little b***h that hides in subway tunnels.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Because Toho made Godzilla a silly fricking cartoon character decades before Warner Bros ever did. And Toho isn’t allergic to money.
1 month ago
Anonymous
But I thought making Godzilla anything that wasn't an allegory to nuclear destruction made it shit and worthless?
1 month ago
Anonymous
No, low quality movies made by incompetent hollywood frick stains are shit and worthless. Campy but good Godzilla has been cone just not by hollywood.
1 month ago
Anonymous
My guess is It's not really doing much damage from their perspective. Oldschool Goji fans hate it but normies slurp it up like seed oil fake butter flavored popcorn topping. I bet merch sales brand wide are through the roof. They just had a massive success with Minus One. Toho is riding the tiger right now and the money is raining down on them from every quarter.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It hasn't done any damage, it actually revived the brand. Toho wasn't planning to do their own movies before the Monsterverse.
1 month ago
Anonymous
People conveniently forget this. You don’t have to like the Monsterverse, but pretending it didn’t give us Shin or Minus One is ignorant/disingenuous at best.
Because TriStar Godzilla was rejected so hard that Random House cancelled all their Godzilla books and Trendmasters went bankrupt from all the shelfwarming iguanas and Missile Launching Ferris Bueler figures.
I really wish Michael Schlesinger had gotten to make his G2K sequel borrowing the Miregoji suit and making an American suitmation movie with a little tongue-in-cheek humor like he had wanted.
I get it, you fap to Aaron Taylor Johnson. Everyone else with a brain knows that every decision that movie made was a dumb one. >MUH SENSE OF SCALE
Frick off with that, sense of scale doesn’t mean shit when it’s only used like four times in the entire movie.
You are mistaken. If you're talking about Godzilla being wienerteased throughout the movie, that was Legendary/Warnter's directive after the poor performance of Pacific Rim. They thought audiences didn't want monsters in their monster movies, apparently. The whole nuke sequence in the credits was supposed to be its own scene, and Godzilla was supposed to battle jets on Alcatraz Island.
Gareth always said it was a "I want to emulate how Spielberg rarely showed Jaws" thing while ignoring that Spielberg was hesitant to show Jaws because the animatronic barely worked and was unable to do most of its scenes.
And in KOTM and GVK we saw that cgi doesn't work to make a believable monster, either. SO Edwards was right.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>we saw that cgi doesn't work to make a believable monster
Nobody made this complaint about Shin Godzilla or Minus One Godzilla.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Waaaaaaay lower budgets. That's expected.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It would have worked if the CG had the same sense of scale as in G 2014. Pacific Rim and 2014 are the only movies that prove CG can do kaiju right. Similarly they stopped giving a shit in Pacific Rim's sequel as well.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They stopped doing it with suitmation after Godzilla's Counterattack.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>clearly didnt saw Minus One.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The only shots in Minus One that DON'T work are the full body shots of Godzilla walking. So yeah, I stand by what I said.
1 month ago
Anonymous
He's animated more naturally then Shin, but there's still a stiffness to how he stomps around Ginza. Surprised they didn't do motion capture.
bots and shills aren't people anon. There are young moron generations coming up so comped by seed oils, vaccines and oxygen deprivation(masking 8hrs a day for 2 years in school) that you're legit going to see some fricked up shit in the near future though.
forgot to say
have not watched Monarch tv show because despite kurt russell it looks terrible
but wow
did not expect the cg monsters and their designs to looks as bad as the clips posted itt
so glad i skipped that shit
even Goji looks off
Somehow they've made me miss turtle Godzilla. I hated the way Legendary turtle Godzilla looked, and now this new version is even worse. Crazy how they can't do anything right.
It's always funny when redditors like you pretend that this isn't troon propaganda because in Godzilla vs Megaguirus, the shittiest movie from that era, he has a pink shine in a couple scenes.
Yes, Godzilla was a troon for two movies back in the early 2000s.
What a waste of fricking dubs. Legendary godzilla already had a perfect design and color scheme, there’s no fricking reason for it to keep changing every time. You homosexual are being disingenuous trying to compare shin and 1999 to this godzilla.
Toho did it for decades yet you people only complain about one of those designs.
What a waste of fricking dubs. Legendary godzilla already had a perfect design and color scheme, there’s no fricking reason for it to keep changing every time. You homosexual are being disingenuous trying to compare shin and 1999 to this godzilla.
i really hate how slop movies have all felt the need to show a bunch of recognizable international locations
bond, capeshit, now godzilla and kong are fighting in the pyramids?
never felt that the Toho movies were missing anything from having the monsters attack a modern city
having Goji sleep on the coliseum and them fight in egypt screams of brainless 'creatives' giving shitty ideas
What? She's the queen he would trust her with his life. No, he didn't. She died for him fighting Ghidorah and she returned in this movie after 10 years.
I don't think Gigan will make an appearance in the Monsterverse. Both Toho and Legendary have been reluctant to get into all the Godzilla monsters that came from space.
Holy frick, boys. This film fricking slapped. I had low expectations going into it, but I was blown away and had my jaw dropped for a good chunk of the film like a goddamn basedboy
Sat through the credits just now. Not a damn thing
Just came back from the theater. Probably my least monsterverse movie yet. I remember hating 2014 but I havent watched it since then, right now my ranking would be kotm > skull island > gvk > 2014> gxk
I've liked Wingard and Barrett's movies but they're not good comedy writers, Dan Stevens is charismatic and Brian Henry is funny but they both suck in this movie. WaKong and WaZilla are not very interesting villains, and Godzilla is extremely sidelined.
I didnt hate mini kong as much as I though I would though.
*disrespects Kong and gets away with it*
Some "King"
We need a new director/writer/storyboarder
I vote for me
Okay but I get to do the Rodan vs Megaguirus movie in 2026.
Megaguirus would wreck Rodan. Frick the baby meg swarm would wreck Rodan.
i paid to see -1 and have been waiting eagerly to watch it again to the point that i would probably have paid again if it stayed in theaters this long
i liked 2014
after KotM and GvK, probably won't even notice a torrent is out for this until anons mention it kek
not that anon, but no fricking way
Rodan in KotM is actually formidable
he'd ass blast the meganulons with just his wing concussion or whatever he's got now
you are obviously a zoomer and possibly moronic
kek
Same. I can't wait to see Minus One again. After GvK I'm skipping this one, not even wasting time and storage on a torrent.
>you are obviously a zoomer and possibly moronic
90% of the discourse here is the Monsterverse is the most pozzed troony homosexual shit ever created by mankind.
An impressive string of buzzwords.
Are you even reading any of the posts here, or just pretending to be moronic because you think you're stigginit?
Here's an idea... origin stories are lame, but here's one that would be great to see: King Ghidorah. Show how he was born or created and how he wrecked Venus or killed off the dinosaurs.
I have never watched a godzilla movie where should i start?
1954 Godzilla
1962 King Kong vs. Godzilla
1964 Mothra vs. Godzilla
1964 Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster
1965 Invasion of Astro-Monster
1966 Ebirah Horror of the Deep
1971 Godzilla vs. Hedorah
1972 Godzilla vs. Gigan
1974 Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
1975 Terror of Mechagodzilla
1989 Godzilla vs. Biollante
1993 Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
1995 Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
1999 Godzilla 2000 Millenium
2001 Godzilla Mothra And King Ghidorah Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
2002 Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
2003 Godzilla Tokyo S.O.S.
2004 Godzilla Final Wars
2016 Shin Godzilla
2023 Godzilla: Minus One
>Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy, they are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them.
Minus One is up there with some of the best films I’ve ever seen by the way
Even though I prefer Legendary Godzilla as a character and Shin Godzilla as a concept
Terror of Mechagodzilla is one of the best
You are the biggest homosexual poster in these threads btw. Congratulations.
>Congratulations
Thanks. It means a lot coming from you anon.
>no destroy all monsters
>skipping half of the heisei era
>shin godzilla
All around bad taste.
1998 like all American chads that think rubber suits are dumb
I hate to break it to you, but they used a suit for 1998. The movie is not fully CGI.
NO U
Yeah I know I'm just shitposting. They also used a large animatronic for the scene where Zilla ate that fish truck. Say what you want about the movie but it had craft
The practical effects in 98 are actually great.
Have you seen the original concepts for what ‘98 Godzilla was going to look like? It was way closer in design to Japanese Godzilla of the time, they probably made him more dinosaur-like to capitalise on the success of Jurassic Park
yeah the Stan Winston one right? But in the end they even copied the JP raptor scenes using Zilla's babies. I still like 1998 though, I think it's fun. Just skip most of the human scenes as usual
I really don’t like the weird snout and eyes on pic related
But yes, I unironically think Zilla, or 98 Godzilla, is a fricking brilliant design, but not AS Godzilla
ultimately I think Ricardo Delgado's design for G'94 was my favorite of them, added some more "accurate" dinosaur features but still maintained recognizable Godzilla features like the maple-leaf spines and general head shape
Was also nice that GvK finally saw the idea of Godzilla occasionally dropping onto all fours finally come to fruition
(was initially proposed in the 1983 Fred Dekker script, the again in the 1994 Rossio/Elliot script -- Rossio later worked on GvK so he probably lobbied to work it in)
Oh yes, Godzilla getting so fricking pissed at Kong that he dropped on all fours and went full-on feral alligator at him was fantastic
Kaneko also intented that his godzilla walk like that, all hunch over like a trex, but toho told him NO.
I don't think Toho told him no, it just ended up not working out; the actor couldn't support himself walking like that.
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Pre mutated Godzilla in Minus One definitively rakes after thesw design, also look at how agile he is and how he moves like an actual dinosaur, whereas fully transformed he moves like is is struggling to walk straight up and slowly, which i believe is deliberate.
The scene when he ambushed the helicopter is kino
It's weird because a lot of the the original 90s US Godzilla concepts were made by the very people behind the Jurassic Park dinosaurs, like Stan Winston and Crash McCreery (pic related)
The problem was that when Emmerich and Devlin came in they threw all that out, wrote a new story, and asked Patrick Tatopoulos to make an entirely new design based on their weird specifications
Emmerich basically Producers himself into making the movie. He never wanted to make Godzilla and hated the character, so he tried making something as off-brand as he possibly could. But Toho just wanted the project to get moving after the Debont/Winston version fell apart and let it go through.
I don’t think it would’ve worked either way given the technology of the time, hindsight is 20/20
With that being said I’ve still come to appreciate 98 Godzilla, it even seemed like it got homaged by the first form of Minus One
Remember what Roland and Emmerich took away from us because they despised the very core of what Godzilla is.
Oh man I want that suit so bad
To frick?
Do you see the schlong on that Zilla suit? Who wouldn't?
I think even back in '98 a lot of people wanted to frick Zilla.
Duh.
Mmmmmm i want that reptilian she-wiener buried deep inside me
scariest design yet?
scariest design yet!
1998 was still riding the Jurassic Park craze.
Are we ready to apologize yet?
Godzilla (1954)
That other anon's list is okay but he's missing some good ones. It's best to just watch all of them (besides All Monsters Attack, you can skip this.) Look up the different eras of Godzilla and watch them chronologically, but definitely start with the original film for the best results.
Just watched it
Pretty much just mindless fun
Can’t fault it for what it is
>Just watched it
>Pretty much just mindless fun
>Can’t fault it for what it is
Going to see it tomorrow in IMAX 3D. Would you say it tops KOTM and GvK?
!!!FACT!!!
Uh no
No it does not
But would still recommend if you want to see big monsters beating up big monsters
I might need more time to digest it to come up with proper critique
For me personally it goes:
K:SI 7/10
Godzilla/Godzilla Kotm 6/10
GvK/GxK 4/10
But you may prefer different things to me
But one thing I will not back down from is that the soundtrack peaked in KOTM and every subsequent film has had a worse soundtrack
With the new movie's ost being the worst
I think I’d rate GvK above GxK
The battles were just way more cinematic; Kaiju fights during the day just don’t look good
I prefer day fights. Easier to see.
Fair enough, I find the darker lighting makes the contrast better, especially with how GvK had that red/green lighting going on in their last fight
Ironically I think the best Legendary Godzilla fight isn’t on the big screen, but is actually from the (EXTREMELY GOOD) TV show
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I actually agree with this I want who ever directed/storyborded this scene to help on the films
I think it’s the less-is-more philosophy, they had to make the best they could within their boundaries for the show with their limited budget, while in the movies they have hundreds of millions to work with which leads to really wacky and disorienting storyboarding just for the sake of it
Dropped it on magical Black folks flashback, should I pick it back up or just watch the scenes on YT?
the latter imo
>the (EXTREMELY GOOD) TV show
stfu Black personhomosexual.
This was one of the few times I was cool with a character being forced to be gay, because she was still a good character
Too often the token gay character is just there to be an airy fairy perfect instance to fill a quota, but Kate isn’t like that
She fricks up, she makes mistakes, she regret them, and I think it’s implied those mistakes got her ex killed, which only compounds the failures she must live with
>forced to be gay
Like every black rapper in the industry? homosexualry is a death cult there is no excuse to support it in anyway.
I don’t support it
I’m crediting that this inclusion was handled organically
>this inclusion was handled organically
I mean if all you’ve seen is a screenshot of two girls kissing then of course you’d think that
Kate cheats on her girlfriend, which leads to them evacuating separately on G day, which results in her ex getting killed by the rampage of Godzilla or the MUTO
I’d expect any other series would have them stay together, because you’re not allowed to portray gays as having flaws, right?
No I watched the show right up until they shoved the DEI Black person femoid uber leet haxxor living in glorious nippon into it. Her very first line is obnoxious c**t attitude. NOOOOO THANKS.
Yeah she sucks, I can’t fault you there, but even she got some alright characterization, and her role did lead to some important worldbuilding
She totally should’ve died at the end though
>yeah it's bad/woke/degenerate trash BUUUT
Why would anyone be an apologist for this shit? You got stockholm syndrome or some shit?
I literally agreed with you my guy, relax
Just skip her scenes, the show is solid
>Just skip her scenes, the show is solid
Her scenes and other assorted homosexualry mean the show is not solid.
Alright then simply don’t watch it, it’s no skin off my nose
>Alright then simply don’t watch it
It really is that shrimple. I watched the 5 mins of Godzilla footage on youtube. There's nothing else in the show for me.
There’s nothing in the show for you because you won’t watch it in the first place; what do you want, a pat on the head and a gold star?
>what do you want
Non-pozzed Godzilla entertainment made by competent people.
>I’m complaining, please validate me
No, go b***h somewhere else
If you didn’t like it then that’s too bad, we don’t have anything else to talk about
>we don’t have anything else to talk about
You must be new. Godzilla fans haven't run out of things to talk about for 70 years.
I’m well aware, but would you be surprised if I said this was the first time I’ve ever posted on Cinemaphile
I just wanted to drop immediate first impressions of the new film somewhere, on the most part this place isn’t so bad
>would you be surprised if I said this was the first time I’ve ever posted on Cinemaphile
Oh, it shows, redditor.
>he thinks Cinemaphile is the only board on Cinemaphile
Cinemaphile is reddit's doorstep, same shit
Catch me dead before I set foot in that place
>the show is solid
Solid shit.
>DEI
Is this the newest buzzword your kind is trying since all the rest failed as badly as you have?
No we're literally trusting the science.
And you people call everyone else weak spineless whiny snowflakes.
>you people
I just rewatched KotM and I don't get why people are so protective of this soundtrack. The only times it got me were when they brought in Ifukube's Godzilla march.
Nah it doesn't top either in terms of excitement. Stakes are pretty low. It does deliver in terms of spectacle and the villain wasn't bad, but it's completely skippable.
I'M ACTING!
>Would you say it tops KOTM and GvK?
No, Kotm has Mexico scene while GvK has laughing goji. The most fun thing about GxK is Kong and Mini Kong scenes
I wanted Godzilla to give Kong a fistbump and give Shimo a biiiiig hug at the end
That would’ve sold it for me
GxK has Hueland.
NTA but it's about on par.
>Would you say it tops KOTM and GvK?
homie KOTM is by far the absolute worst piece of shit ever in this franchise. '14 is still the best burger made godzilla movie
I give the title of worst to GvK. Worst movie I've ever seen. Agreed '14 is the only good one.
2014 is the worst American Godzilla movie. Including 1998.
Most kino monsters
>godzilla (obviously)
>mothra
>anguirus
>king kong
>king ghidorah
>gamera
>rodan
>showa mechagodzilla
>gigan
>ebirah
>spacegodzilla
>orga
>barugon (the gamera one)
>kiryu
>jet jaguar
>gorosaurus
Where are the full spoilers?
>Godzilla gets an upgrade
>Kong gets an upgrade
>Kong goes up to call Godzilla
>Godzilla just sees red because Kong is trespassing
>They fight and Kong finally got the upperhand, starts dragging Godzilla by tail (funniest scene in the movie)
>Godzilla gets mad and breaks free, about to murder Kong with his new breath
>Mothra intervenes
I like the fact that even after both got upgrades, Kong still loses to Godzilla, although this time it's not as embarrassing as 2021.
>this time it's not as embarrassing
Godzilla spared Kong out of respect
Forcing him to get down and dirty is no small feat
But yeah, Team Godzilla are undefeated
>Team Godzilla are undefeated
Shimo ice breaths destroy Kong's arm while Godzilla easily tanks it
I would’ve liked if Godzilla tried to reason with her, since he was shown to be more intelligent than just being a maniacal death machine, or at the very least have him realise she’s being controlled
>have him realise she’s being controlled
Goji stopped attacking shimo after minikong destroy the mcguffin
Yeah, before that, I mean
There were tons of silent dialogue moments with Kong, but Godzilla didn’t really get anything besides going “Hmph, alright” to Mothra
Goji was the one that banished lanky kong into hollow earth. He already knew that shimo is under influence
>lanky kong
Holy kek how did I not make this connection until now
>at the very least have him realise she’s being controlled
Shimo knows but the Crystal that Skar King uses causes her massive amounts of pain for some reason, so she obeys.
Not even hating but I can't tell if this webm is from a new movie I haven't seen or the last two movies because all this slop looks the same
Mute Girl is the phaeries.
Main guy is Lookatthisphotograph dressed as Ace Ventura.
>I could have killed 'em all those apes, I could've killed you. In that cave you're the law, out here it's me. Don't push it! Don't push it or I'll give you a war you won't believe. Let it go. Let it go!
I love Kong going Rambo on all those apes lmao
The scene where some ‘guard’ ape was yelling and frothing in his unmoving face, only to get decked was the only time in the film I chuckled
stupid gay lights
Should I finish this in preparation for GxK:TNE?
I have watched all other monsterverse movies and the Skull Island animation show
It’s not essential by any means, the lore plays barely any part in the film, but I would still highly recommend Monarch, I thoroughly enjoyed it
its bad. i skipped all the dialogue which is 80% of it
Legendarytrannies are the most embarrassing posters on Cinemaphile, enjoying the sloppiest of slops openly is a disgrace.
I also enjoy the sloppiest of Toho Godzilla slop, especially Godzilla's Revenge, Godzilla vs Megalon, the entire Heisei era, and the anime trilogy.
GAMERA WHEN
Big turtle that protects children versus Big ape that protects children
Big ape only protects one child, and she is about to get walled.
I'd soiface and jizz my pants if Gamera showed up.
I need to see them use his Rebirth origin or something.
When it's time to blow up Godzilla.
is that Tokka?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15471560
Tha FRICK IS DIS?
Smoking Causes Coughing
Didn't KK die in the first Peter Jackson film? How's he in all these sequels in the same universe?
He got better
They're not in the same universe. Jackson's Kong was a remake of the original, these crossovers with Godzilla are sequels to Kong: Skull Island.
Nah these 2 POSs have nothing in common with the 2005 masterpiece.
Most disturbing ending to any kaiju movie.
Do tell.
Yongary dies bleeding out his ass while the cast laughs at him.
Test
>Godzilla killed a random kaiju just so he can get an upgrade
God he's such an butthole in this one, Tiamat was just chilling there
AUTOBOTS TROOOON OUT
Godzilla already cut off his dick and balls back in 1999.
Tiamat was already featured in one of the graphic novels, she’s bad fricking news. I was really surprised to not only see her mentioned, but actually get screentime.
So is Kong's first born gonna be a motherfricking Yeti?
I wish Legendary asked for the rights of Bagan. His design would fit better the Monsterverse Atmosphere than something like Gigan or Megalon.
What I wish they’d do is make a beat-em up video game in the style of Save the Earth or Unleashed, and give tons of classic monsters redesigns that way. Because Legendary Mothra, Rodan, and Ghidorah are all their best looking designs in my opinion. I’d love to see them tackle Destoroyah or Biolante.
A fourth Atari Pipeworks Godzilla fighting game made today would be so damn good.
-more stages from all around the world including Rio de Janeiro, Hong Kong, Skull Island, Antarctica, and Egypt
-bring back all 24 monsters from Unleashed
-add:
>Gezora
>Ganimes
>Kamoeba
>Gorosaurus
>Frankenstein
>Sanda
>Gaira
>Ebirah
>Kamacuras
>Kumonga
>Desghidorah
>Dagarah
>Mothra Leo
>Bagan
>Zilla
>the Gryphon
>HokMUTO
>FeMUTO
>Shin Godzilla
>Legendary Mothra
>Legendary Rodan
>Legendary King Ghidorah
>Behemoth
>Scylla
>Methuselah
>Camazotz
>Tiamat
>Kong
>Legendary Mechagodzilla
>Skar King
>Shimo
>bring back all 24 monsters from Unleashed
If I could add any characters to the roster, I'd add
>gamera
>king kong
>hedorah
>zilla
>legendary godzilla
>ultraman
Frick, forgot Hedorah, thank you. And if we could get other franchises I'd definitely add Gamera, Ultraman, Yongaary, and of course this awesome guy.
>forgot Hedorah, thank you
Probably because it seems like he'd already be part of the roster. One of the more glaring omissions. He actually appeared in Destroy All Monsters Melee but he wasn't playable.
>And if we could get other franchises I'd definitely add Gamera, Ultraman, Yongaary, and of course this awesome guy.
I just remembered that back in the day people wanted Cloverfield.
Unleashed had several monsters that were scrapped, it's pretty tragic.
Fire Lion, The Visitor, and Lightning Bug - These three, along with Obsidius, were the conceptualized new monsters to be voted into the game (Krystalak was going to be in the game regardless). Obsidius was the monster ultimately voted into the game, and the other three monsters were discarded. Fire Lion would have been a part of the Earth Defenders faction, while The Visitor and Lightning Bug would have been part of the Aliens faction.
Hedorah - Not made due to complex cell shading that was required due to his blob-like form, as well as due to his changes of forms, which were impossible to do with the Wii. Hedorah would have been part of the Aliens faction.
King Kong - Mentioned in an interview. King Kong was not included due to rights issues with Universal Pictures.[3] He would have been a member of the Earth Defenders faction.
Mechani-Kong - Mentioned in an interview. Would have been a part of the Aliens faction.[3]
Gamera - Mentioned in an interview. Would have been part of the Earth Defenders faction.[4] Gamera most likely could not be included due to being owned by Kadokawa.
Zilla - Zilla was not seriously considered for the game due to the negative fan perception of the character during the development and release of Godzilla: Save the Earth. Would have been a part of the Mutants faction.[5][6]
Bagan - Mentioned in an interview. Would have been a part of the Mutants faction. The developers chose to include other more obscure monsters in the game instead of Bagan, with Varan specifically mentioned.[5]
Clover - Mentioned in an interview. Was not actually considered to be in the game.[5]
Monster X / Keizer Ghidorah - Reportedly was briefly considered, but was deemed "not interesting enough" and his transformation was too complex to include in the game. Due to this, Monster X was never in serious consideration to be added to the game.
What no monsters from Godzilla the series?
That would be enough for a fighting game on its own.
I want one so bad. I got in the mood for one and dusted off my Gamecube to play some DAMM, then bought Gigabash to fill the void for wanting something new.
I know there's that Save the Earth Melee mod out there, but I don't PC game.
You know what I want?
I want a Gamera video game made by Team ICO
I hate Bagan so fricking much
I grew up loving Godzilla and other kaiju stuff, but I could just never get down with the Tokusatsu stuff like Ultraman and Power Rangers. I lose interest the second you introduce a Japanese dude prancing around in tights and a mask. It just makes the miniatures that much more obvious. Godzilla and Gamera are just cooler.
I’m going to see it at an Alamo Drafthouse “Big Show” tomorrow. What even is that? Is it like their version of an IMAX or something?
that just means you're going to be surrounded by gaping soifaces
I want to have sex with Shimu
Is it a bad sign there are not any rotten tomatoes reviews yet?
Yes. There's clearly some gag in place until the opening weekend suckers get fleeced.
Lowest budget monster verse. No money for journos
I was surprised to learn the budget was so low. It seemed to have a billion dollars put into marketing.
I hate shiphomosexuals
"The actresses for your Godzilla movie are in the Waiting Room."
Jesus someone get that stick a fuggin sammich STAT!
WHAT THE FRICK IS THAT THING ON THE RIGHT WEARING?
Goddamn I want to Hoddle Kaylee.
"Shhh. Godzilla sleepy."
>Wingard just abandons the idea that Godzilla needs somewhere close to radiation to rest and recuperate even with previous movies setting it up
Italy has multiple volcanoes
I love you Godzilla Junior!
Underwhelming Limited Collectors Edition Popcorn Vessel. Since that's a big box office driver now, may hold the receipts down.
reviews are in, its kino
Literally who?
>its kino
I'll be the judge of that.
Yep, it's kino
Kys
He said it’s a King Kong movie like 5 times.
I enjoyed the movie but like GvK, Godzilla feels like secondary character to Kong.
So I won't be watching. I knew Wingard is full of shit. He pretends to be a huge fan of Godzilla (maybe he is or was but he prefers Kong now) and Legendary put Godzilla in the title to fool people.
Kong has always been more popular in America than Godzilla. Kong is also more empathetic to a casual audience. Most people don’t know what the frick a “Showa” or “Heisei” era is.
No, he hasn't. The monster kids generation worshipped Kong. Or rather the original movie. They didn't give a crap about the rest of the genre they just loved the 1933 movie. Gradually it changed and a new generation emerged. Since the 70s Godzilla was more or less on par with Kong in terms of popularity even won a popularity poll. Then around mid 00s when for the first time there was a release of original versions of Godzilla movies his superiority became pretty obvious. In fact it was probably already a thing since the 90s.
Today it's Kong who's trying to catch up with Godzilla. 70 years of near constant presence (and now finally with accessible back catalogue) vs a character who showed up once every 30 years to redo the same story.
Then why did KotM 2019 barely break even?
Because Avengers Endgame and the Lion King remake were mogging the shit out of everything that summer.
Bad, prolonged marketing campaign. They messed it up big time but the movie was hugely popular on home media, streaming and in terms of merch sold.
That reminds me, Godzilla '98 and Disney's Mighty Joe Young are the reason why we didn't get Jackson's Kong in the 90s. The studio was afraid to compete and the crappy box office those two got made them all the more ready to pull the plug. Then Jackson went off to make Lord of the Rings and used his clout to do a bigger version of his remake pitch.
Moar you knew.
thats because america has 70 million mini kongs running around
The funniest scene in the movie is Kong just KOing that random other monkey butthole.
Right now it's at 61% on RT but only 29% with Top Critics with 76 reviews total. There's no way it stays fresh.
I just marathoned ep.3 of Monarch. This guy looks like something out of a Monster Hunter game
What happened to Mason Weaver? She is the best monsterverse character
She either hit the wall or found a way to become immortal in the HE.
Now that they're putting more monsters in each film, there wouldn't be room for her monstrous mammaries.
Skull Island took place 50 years before the rest of the movies
And the Monarch show told us that's a non issue.
I didn't watch that since I'm not moronic. Are you suggesting the MV movies should have separate plots set in the past?
>Are you suggesting the MV movies should have separate plots set in the past?
No.
Then what is your point?
Watch the show.
Eat shit and die, can you do that for me, shill?
Xer's point is CONSUME PRODUCT. GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCT.
gigan when?
When the pacific rim crossover is a thing.
Hopefully next time.
It looks aweful. I hate how they had to inject humanity into any of these films at all other than dealing with collateral or creating stakes.
Kong listening to some little girl like she's the foremost advisor in human-kaiju relations is bonkers. If Kong was getting a gauntlet it should have been the wreckage of something he improvised by bashed around his arm. Getting a human-made power fist is so dumb. Buddy cop relationship with Godzilla is moronic.
Loved watching Godzilla running like a man in a suit, though. The entire movie should have just been two hours of that.
Kaiju being humanized has been a thing since the original King Kong vs. Godzilla.
are you guys gonna get the figs?
im not
https://twitter.com/studio_spiral/status/1773330838840918134/photo/2
I don't do figures and toys but I suddenly kind of want that big remote-control Godzilla that spews the mist.
So, who's Shimo and it's story?
A White dinosaur that gets the Big Black Kong
Going to watch it with friends but I need to marathon the whole saga
I just watched Kong (kino) but couldn't finish Godzilla (2014) I was bored to death...
2014 is boring but the others are better.
I made a difficult decision not to watch this movie in theatre. I love Godzilla so much and I love this version I find him very interesting. Which is why I'm not going to watch a film that pretends is about both Godzilla and Kong to dupe people into watching what's a Kong solo film with Godzilla added as an afterthought. I'll be there when someone other than Wingard makes a movie with Godzilla in it.
Godzilla would be proud I think.
You're missing out.
I know what happens I decided I don't want to have a bad time watching Godzilla be like an butthole with no sympathy losing all the nuance he had a few years ago and everything focusing on how much of a cool guy Kong is.
At least I think that's how it is. Godzilla gets one semi-sympathetic scene when he sleeps in the Colosseum and comes back at the end. I don't know if anyone said something about it in the movie that he's getting used to people again or the coexistence is improving.
But then Godzilla attacks the nuclear plant. He has his reasons but I don't know if there's a scene of Monarch explaining that there's a good reason why Godzilla wanted that energy and we're on his side.
And of course he reunites with Mothra. I'm really surprised they showed it like that.
>I don't know if there's a scene of Monarch explaining
There is, Monarch said that Godzilla is powering up only because there will be something really bad
So they're calling out Frenchies for being moronic idiots and making him angry for no reason? Based.
>Godzilla be like an butthole with no sympathy
You don't want to watch Godzilla be in character?
There are different kinds of Godzilla. VIllainous or heroic. This one is supposed to be heroic as per director's own words and has heroic and sympathetic qualities. Why wouldn't I want them to be there when I see a new movie with the character? He doesn't have to be nice but he has a certain characterization that Wingard can't do right but everyone else but him can.
>There are different kinds of Godzilla
There's Godzilla and there's parodylla.
Godzilla in parodies is usually evil and attacking a city.
He is heroic. He's also prideful and won't tolerate another Alpha Titan around if it doesn't submit to his King status. And if you piss him off enough he's going to stomp you. He's closest to the latter half of the Hesei era Godzilla.
I'm ok with him being edgy anti-hero but they're not giving him any gentler moments anymore or some kind of little things that made people root for him. I know there's a tiny scene with Mothra where he smiles at her and he comes back to Rome at the end with no explanation. So I'm gonna pretend he did it because he's getting a bit softer now that he knows he was wrong to mistrust everyone.
Honestly, I'm all for Godzilla remaining an butthole.
It's by far preferable to making him some soft uwu babygirl from a fanfiction
This, my opinion may not be popular but the full heroic Godzilla from the late Showa era was the worst. He doesn't need to be full Ultraman, he can be a hero and still be a grouch and prone to destruction.
Fanfiction? Didn't realize half of the showa era films and anything involving godzilla junior was fanfiction. Secondaries outing themselves as always.
Mothra calls Godzilla out in the new movie for attacking Kong, and Godzilla makes a “I dun fricked up” face after she does it.
>“I dun fricked up”
More like, alright I'll listen to you
I was promised a buddy cop movie with monsters not domestic comedy sitcom with monsters.
But he just looked happy not humbled like he just knew there was no room for discussion he just went straight to forging an alliance with Kong.
And they really wanted some other character in her place? Some random OC who Godzilla would listen all of a sudden despite being the king? Who would she be somebody he was fricking on the side?
cute. post more
>You’re missing out on the diarrhea platter
Good.
I looked at the final fight on youtube and the baby king Kong saves the day. This is trash.
That sounds cool.
Only a few more days until Legendsry runs out of shill-buxx.
>let me borrow your monster design, bro
>we dont want to pay for the rights for kumonga or manda so we will make knockoffs
how rude
Am I the only one who enjoyed Gamera Rebirth more than any of the Godzilla animes?
No i thought it was great storywise. Only thing bringing it down was the shitty animation.
Is he saving Amerifat Godzilla?
No. The only purpose of US made Godzilla films is to be so fricking garbage that Toho gets forced to make some kino to save the brand. That's it. That's all US films are for.
If that's the case, why does Toho approve of them? Wait, let me answer for you, they've been corrupted and turned by the demon gay troony liberal DEI woke cuck commiefornia brain parasites.
Toho's dream, from WAY back, is for the US to take all the risk while Toho just sits back and collects checks and does merch deals. They don't like having to gamble their money on making movies themselves. I don't even hate them for being conservative nip businessmen. Fate keeps forcing them to intervene though. Godzilla has the mandate of heaven.
If that's the case, why did they react so negatively to TriStar Godzilla to the point they immediately went back on their plan to retire Godzilla for a decade?
Because the one thing they can't let happen is for the overall image of the brand to be damaged. The reception for the film was so negative that they felt they had to put something else out to take the shit taste out of everyone's mouths.
But despite all of the negative reactions and hatred towards Legendary and the films turning Godzilla into a punching bag joke guest star, Toho apparently believes the franchise name hasn't been damaged. Why would they think that for Tristar but not for Legendary?
The reception of Legendary slop hasn't been so bad. It's been quite positive in fact despite how shit it is. You might not have been alive or paying attention in 1998 but that movie was a BIG deal. lots of hype, merch and sponsorship tie-ins and then a MASSIVE letdown after release. Internet was just a little babby back then so it's not like you could deploy your shillbot army to gaslight everyone into a more beneficial narrative. Toho had to get something new out to re-establish the brand's image at least in Japan.
But why does Toho support this sloppiest slops of the sloppy slop and I sloppy sloppy slop da sloppa slop-slop when it's doing far more damage than Zilla could ever hope to achieve?
Because Slopzilla does badass things instead of being a little b***h that hides in subway tunnels.
Because Toho made Godzilla a silly fricking cartoon character decades before Warner Bros ever did. And Toho isn’t allergic to money.
But I thought making Godzilla anything that wasn't an allegory to nuclear destruction made it shit and worthless?
No, low quality movies made by incompetent hollywood frick stains are shit and worthless. Campy but good Godzilla has been cone just not by hollywood.
My guess is It's not really doing much damage from their perspective. Oldschool Goji fans hate it but normies slurp it up like seed oil fake butter flavored popcorn topping. I bet merch sales brand wide are through the roof. They just had a massive success with Minus One. Toho is riding the tiger right now and the money is raining down on them from every quarter.
It hasn't done any damage, it actually revived the brand. Toho wasn't planning to do their own movies before the Monsterverse.
People conveniently forget this. You don’t have to like the Monsterverse, but pretending it didn’t give us Shin or Minus One is ignorant/disingenuous at best.
Because TriStar Godzilla was rejected so hard that Random House cancelled all their Godzilla books and Trendmasters went bankrupt from all the shelfwarming iguanas and Missile Launching Ferris Bueler figures.
I really wish Michael Schlesinger had gotten to make his G2K sequel borrowing the Miregoji suit and making an American suitmation movie with a little tongue-in-cheek humor like he had wanted.
>Amerifat Godzilla
Meanwhile in Japan.
He's a Kong guy he doesn't care about Godzilla. Only about his name in the title.
Yeah he unironically is.
Considering the normie audience is vital to keeping the series alive, I’d say so.
No, he can eat a dick and go home. I want Edwards back.
Gareth “Frick the audience” Edwards? That dude was practically embarrassed to be making a Godzilla movie.
He made the only good American Godzilla movie. If you don't think so, you're wrong.
I get it, you fap to Aaron Taylor Johnson. Everyone else with a brain knows that every decision that movie made was a dumb one.
>MUH SENSE OF SCALE
Frick off with that, sense of scale doesn’t mean shit when it’s only used like four times in the entire movie.
I don't even have to defend myself. You people liked KotM and GvK. That's all that needs to be said.
Yeah, frick us for wanting to see the titular goddamn character. Got it.
Why do KOTM and GvK trigger you so much?
This, barely seeing Godzilla made the movie so much better.
It's the worst one.
You are mistaken. If you're talking about Godzilla being wienerteased throughout the movie, that was Legendary/Warnter's directive after the poor performance of Pacific Rim. They thought audiences didn't want monsters in their monster movies, apparently. The whole nuke sequence in the credits was supposed to be its own scene, and Godzilla was supposed to battle jets on Alcatraz Island.
Gareth always said it was a "I want to emulate how Spielberg rarely showed Jaws" thing while ignoring that Spielberg was hesitant to show Jaws because the animatronic barely worked and was unable to do most of its scenes.
And in KOTM and GVK we saw that cgi doesn't work to make a believable monster, either. SO Edwards was right.
>we saw that cgi doesn't work to make a believable monster
Nobody made this complaint about Shin Godzilla or Minus One Godzilla.
Waaaaaaay lower budgets. That's expected.
It would have worked if the CG had the same sense of scale as in G 2014. Pacific Rim and 2014 are the only movies that prove CG can do kaiju right. Similarly they stopped giving a shit in Pacific Rim's sequel as well.
They stopped doing it with suitmation after Godzilla's Counterattack.
>clearly didnt saw Minus One.
The only shots in Minus One that DON'T work are the full body shots of Godzilla walking. So yeah, I stand by what I said.
He's animated more naturally then Shin, but there's still a stiffness to how he stomps around Ginza. Surprised they didn't do motion capture.
Why are people so much more accepting of garbage Hollywood slop recently?
bots and shills aren't people anon. There are young moron generations coming up so comped by seed oils, vaccines and oxygen deprivation(masking 8hrs a day for 2 years in school) that you're legit going to see some fricked up shit in the near future though.
Hit me with the spoilers anons.
Does Godzilla and Kong do their own stunts like in KoTM?
Kong uses Baby Kong as a club against a bunch of other apes and it’s funny as frick.
No Millie, no watchie
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I just want Gamera in the Monsterverse so they can take a super dark tone
Why? They have shit up every fricking thing they've done and you want them to shit up Gamera too?
The only way they can shit him up is by mocking him
lol you have no imagination. There's 100 different ways they could shit up the entire Gamera legacy for all time.
Explain. The only way I can see them shitting Gamera up is
>Making him weak as frick
>Making him submissive to Godzilla
That's it
>Making him submissive to Godzilla
That's what happened to Kong but people are okay with that. He'd be dead if mothra didn't intervene
Gamera: Friend of trans children
Weren't they trying to get Pacific Rim in the Monsters Inc.verse?
Might as well do a Sesame Street of Kaijus with all these monsters they have.
Is there a torrent up?
forgot to say
have not watched Monarch tv show because despite kurt russell it looks terrible
but wow
did not expect the cg monsters and their designs to looks as bad as the clips posted itt
so glad i skipped that shit
even Goji looks off
>even Goji looks off
Yeah, because he’s fricking pink now
Bottom looks better, top is obese.
Godzilla is supposed to be the king of tbe square-cube law though.
KYS shill
>Comparing Shin to Legendary Godzilla
How does Kong not burn his hand on Godzilla's 1000-degree glowing spines?
By using his Power Glove. It also takes Shimo’s ice breath at point-blank range.
But his palm is exposed.
>Now
>posts the worst Godzilla movie ever made
have a nice day
It's the worse because you know it was made by a hack. If you ignore that fact it's pretty good.
No, the movie is actually bad. Godzilla isn't Godzila in it, he's hedorah. Minus One saved this franchise.
Shin is gay fanfiction and not real Godzilla, it doesn't count
Somehow they've made me miss turtle Godzilla. I hated the way Legendary turtle Godzilla looked, and now this new version is even worse. Crazy how they can't do anything right.
>Crazy how they can't do anything right.
newbie child, he was pink back in 1999.
You're a disingenuous liar if you are implying it's the same.
>IT'S NOT THE SAME BECAUSE I LIKE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER
Pink is pink, child.
It's always funny when redditors like you pretend that this isn't troon propaganda because in Godzilla vs Megaguirus, the shittiest movie from that era, he has a pink shine in a couple scenes.
Yes, Godzilla was a troon for two movies back in the early 2000s.
Toho did it for decades yet you people only complain about one of those designs.
>can't answer so he has to meme
>Still comparing toho godzilla to the legendary one
Maybe once you stop being disingenuous people will take you seriously.
shit im tweaking out.
meant for
>both of them have pink phases
>point this out
>get screamed at to stop comparing them because grrrr snarl hiss
What a waste of fricking dubs. Legendary godzilla already had a perfect design and color scheme, there’s no fricking reason for it to keep changing every time. You homosexual are being disingenuous trying to compare shin and 1999 to this godzilla.
If you were a true Tokusatsu fan you would already be used to this because it sells new toys.
they’re shit toys. i’d rather collect and play with rocks
Agreed, I don't buy toys, but it's always going to be tied in with the movie.
i really hate how slop movies have all felt the need to show a bunch of recognizable international locations
bond, capeshit, now godzilla and kong are fighting in the pyramids?
never felt that the Toho movies were missing anything from having the monsters attack a modern city
having Goji sleep on the coliseum and them fight in egypt screams of brainless 'creatives' giving shitty ideas
Godzilla sleeping in the Coliseum was inspired by Wingard’s cat sleeping. T’was cute. :3
>now godzilla and kong are fighting in the pyramids
Why would this send you into troony hysterics?
what?
he's saving their Samson Option for when he needs a real radiation boost
Why doesn't Godzilla ever destroy israel?
Did Godzilla really kill Mothra offscreen in the Monsterverse?
What? She's the queen he would trust her with his life. No, he didn't. She died for him fighting Ghidorah and she returned in this movie after 10 years.
Any post credit scenes?
The very recorded second that Kaylee Hoddle turns 18 and she drops her pants to show her bush.
Nope. No lead-ins to Gigan, or anything else.
I don't think Gigan will make an appearance in the Monsterverse. Both Toho and Legendary have been reluctant to get into all the Godzilla monsters that came from space.
Holy frick, boys. This film fricking slapped. I had low expectations going into it, but I was blown away and had my jaw dropped for a good chunk of the film like a goddamn basedboy
Sat through the credits just now. Not a damn thing
Just came back from the theater. Probably my least monsterverse movie yet. I remember hating 2014 but I havent watched it since then, right now my ranking would be kotm > skull island > gvk > 2014> gxk
I've liked Wingard and Barrett's movies but they're not good comedy writers, Dan Stevens is charismatic and Brian Henry is funny but they both suck in this movie. WaKong and WaZilla are not very interesting villains, and Godzilla is extremely sidelined.
I didnt hate mini kong as much as I though I would though.
>kotm at top
Opinion instantly discarded.
Good list, but did they seriously sideline Godzilla again? For fricks sake why?
Because he’s so OP that he steamrolls everyone.
Basically like having Superman fight crime in Gotham instead of Batman. Movie would’ve been like 20 minutes long.
Godzilla is capeshit of the Japan.