That's still far less of a leap than medieval stasis to going to square-cube law defying giant mechs with energy weapons, something that even today we've never successfully created, and part of that is just how impractical they are.
>They cheated though >They used Nazis and Parsons' Magic
And most of the science & engineering in Avatar comes from the Fire Nation as well as geniuses like Sokka & that Northern Air Temple dude.
>fail this hard at modernitys impact on war and society >bending never supplanted by technology >earth benders never realize .5*mv^2 >fire benders never figure out conflagration
all i can think is that they weren't allowed to have guns and never took the napkin drawing of the equalist plot past the first season. Complete fricking mess of a show
1896 but tunnel boring machines were in operation since 1825
>1896 but tunnel boring machines were in operation since 1825 >and the firebenders made something hundreds of times larger and able to be used in wartime >and also made zeppelins and tanks
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>firebending as an infinite portable fuel source allowed for turbine miniaturization
yes. The real show was good because of stuff like that.
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the giant mechanical drill was far beyond what we are even capable of today
so the leap from that to mecha then to giant mecha is not far fetched
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Damn, I totally forgot that episode arc where the silicon microprocessor spirit taught the owlbears how to make complex electronics
>gyro-stabilized, grappling hook equipped mechatanks on the level of WW1 >advanced automated door using large cable car transportation system out of the 20th century >large-scale fully industrialized steel factories >self-propelled giant caterpillar drill with advanced piping systems to extract excess material
>Medieval tech
People come up with the wildest shit when they're looking to point out flaws in Korra.
>allegory of the second sino japanese war pitting a modern enemy against literal dirt farmers? >no it's just rule of cool so the next one can go full cringe steampunk, then frick that up so hard it devolves into Robot Jox
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>if I pretend to be a moron who missed the obvious addressing of the dangerous of unchecked technological development and military industrial complex, it doesn't exist >TLA came first s-so it's moronic cringe steampunk rule of cool bullshit doesn't count against it!
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>actually TLA was bad!
People come up with the wildest shit when they're trying to defend the flaws in Korra
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Nta but I remember back in the day when Korra was not a thing how plenty of sci-fi/fantasy forums were pointing out how the technology in atla makes very little sense and sometimes contradicts the setting. That doesn't really make the show bad. Atla has plenty of flaws yet it's still a great show.
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>the setting was medieval >no it wasn't, TLA was full of 20th century+ bullshit >b-but that doesn't count because the story was making real world parallels, Korra has moronic full steampunk shit >Korra was also paralleling real world sociopolitical issues with its technology shit, and TLA went full moronic steampunk first >n-no TLA wasn't bad >:(
I'll take your complete lack of any actual arguments as a concession.
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>free heat energy society leverages steam power to do things we did in the 1820's-1890's like lighter than air flight is le hekkin moronic steampunk just like giant bipedial mechs powered by spirit farts >korra was doing a socioe-girltical commentary through historic parallel too
lol lmao, of what exactly. Lets hear it anon.
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>literally lenses and mirrors were harder to figure out than flight.
they already had super advanced technology made using only steam in their equivalent of the industrial age
after switching to a clean burning fuel like spirit energy, then a mecha is absolutely within their grasp
the only issue is that its sleek design clashes with the dieselpunk of the rest of the show
but moving from mini-mecha to giant mecha coinciding with a move from diesel to literally magic is absolutely fine in-universe
Yeah I agree, the chunkier mechs felt more believable and consistent, but I think the idea here is 'they couldn't make one this big unless it was very spindly'
ehhh it's pretty steampunk. I'm more concerned with the forklifts and shit in the comics. and all the bending retcons. and the lazy lezzy shit.
also satomobiles are stupid. also the 20s New York aesthetic was double stupid, especially the prudish-ass bathing suits. and what the frick does Tenzin think he's doing by segregating the airbenders by sex, that shit got his people extincted.
The normal mech tanks and mechs and planes and cars are all acceptable for me, Kuvira's giant mech is just stretching it and the 1920's shtick is too restrictive
The beginning of Korra in the 20's is good, except that in the avatar world there are geniuses, like the creator of airships in Aang's time, like Mr. Sato or Varrik, that's why there are mini mechas that give a steam vibe punk, and for the fourth season having the equivalent of nuclear energy, the spiritual energy being concentrated in a larger mecha, but nothing illogical for that world
The only particularly wild thing about the tanks was their rotating cabs.
>gyro-stabilized, grappling hook equipped mechatanks on the level of WW1 >advanced automated door using large cable car transportation system out of the 20th century >large-scale fully industrialized steel factories >self-propelled giant caterpillar drill with advanced piping systems to extract excess material
>Medieval tech
People come up with the wildest shit when they're looking to point out flaws in Korra.
Refrigeration was figured out using ether 1700's (and scaled up to meaningfully produce cold stuff in the 1800's) and the FN already steam engines, so it's entirely possible that they could run a vapor compression loop without modern refrigerants.
All she really had to do was be content to rule her empire without Republic City, which was an area all nations agreed to keep independent 70 years ago, and she could have just won and maybe even beat them out economically instead since the City had been going to shit since all the spirit vines got everywhere.
>which was an area all nations agreed to keep independent 70 years ago
You mean the Earth Kingdom was forced to abandon about a sixth of their territory merely because some fire colonists settled there and gave birth to a few mutts.
>Invent tech for weapon of mass destruction >Coastal enclave that has massive amount of spirit vines needed for bomb used to be your country's territory >Guy who helped invent the bomb goes rogue and flees to Republic City >City ruled by people who tried to kill you in your sleep during a truce >People who have acted in bad faith all season
Kuvira did nothing wrong, in that situation she basically had to attack before a cold war could start
>gyro-stabilized, grappling hook equipped mechatanks on the level of WW1 >advanced automated door using large cable car transportation system out of the 20th century >large-scale fully industrialized steel factories >self-propelled giant caterpillar drill with advanced piping systems to extract excess material
>Medieval tech
People come up with the wildest shit when they're looking to point out flaws in Korra.
Giant mech? Fine. But why this design? Even the smaller platinum mechs looked more steampunk and fit in better. Someone got their Evangelion sketches mixed in with the other design choices and this one somehow won.
They went from tanks and airships to a mech powered by literal spirit magic and metal bending in 70 years.
Which is a bit more believable.
[Spoiler]Though I think the Mech should have been a giant land ship tank[/spoiler]
As if, anon. EVA itself owes a debt to that which came before it. Leave it to an EVAgay to fellate the show forever.
I unironically really love the Zigg Mack. Something about it seems fantastically alien and yet its gangly human shape I find incredibly charming. As they become more and more common as grunts somehow it only becomes even more endearing to me. It really does feel somehow like a mass produced war machine rather than some of the more unique Heavy Mobile Mecha that show up later in Ideon. Remain based Jet Alone enjoyer.
the problem is you can't put the cat back into the bag
with the new avatar series coming up presumably 50+ years later in canon then you're stuck with the question:
"couldn't they use the mechsuits to solve this problem?"
so they've limited what they can do in the world and the stories they can tell
all they had to do was NOT INTRODUCE FRICKING GUNDAMS
I liked the regular mechs in Korra but the ultimate super weapon one shouldn't have been humanoid like this, should've been some clunkier machine with the spirit canon attached to its top
I've posted this before, but I'll post it again: the giant super weapon should have been a stationary tower being built out in the desert right before the twist was revealed, that being the tower made mobile by an army of Earth-benders moving the ground under it.
But that would have been too hard to plan and animate correctly so those talentless hacks probably never considered it.
And according to lore the best engineers were non-benders and fire nation people. No one had naval fleet apart from them, the skies were controlled by firebenders and some non-benders. In general, everyone lived in the dark ages while the fire nation and non-benders were in the industrial age
They were thinking "this show will be set 300 years in the future" until Nick mandated the original Gaang being present but they never adjusted the setting to compensate
You're welcome
Regardless of whether the tech is reasonable, a stretch, or asinine, making a giant mech the threat in a show about person-level bending is kind of dumb. If I wanted mechs I'd watch a robot show
The first plane to first space flight was ~~60 years
That's still far less of a leap than medieval stasis to going to square-cube law defying giant mechs with energy weapons, something that even today we've never successfully created, and part of that is just how impractical they are.
The real world also doesn't have metal bending, because the gundam you speak of is just one giant metal suit controller by metal benders
i don't care it's still stupid. why are you defending this
To this day, no space vessel has been made entirely out of platinum.
How much longer until we get a giant mech that's twice the height of a mountain with a futuristic design and an arm cannon?
In real life? Never since it serves no purpose. Atla's world is not realistic
It's purpose is to be superior to tanks which children's toy drones have already proven are garbage
Not anytime soon since Japan holds all the patents
>to first space flight was ~~60 years
They cheated though
They used Nazis and Parsons' Magic
>They cheated though
>They used Nazis and Parsons' Magic
And most of the science & engineering in Avatar comes from the Fire Nation as well as geniuses like Sokka & that Northern Air Temple dude.
Still moronic of Americans to arrest Nazi scientists instead of putting em on a special secret program as an alternative to punishment
Anon I...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Op is too moronic to understand history
I too remember the 1920s when we had mechs.
Do you remember in 1860 when we had giant, trackless, drill-trains made to power through several meters of rock? Good times.
>fail this hard at modernitys impact on war and society
>bending never supplanted by technology
>earth benders never realize .5*mv^2
>fire benders never figure out conflagration
all i can think is that they weren't allowed to have guns and never took the napkin drawing of the equalist plot past the first season. Complete fricking mess of a show
1896 but tunnel boring machines were in operation since 1825
>1896 but tunnel boring machines were in operation since 1825
>and the firebenders made something hundreds of times larger and able to be used in wartime
>and also made zeppelins and tanks
>firebending as an infinite portable fuel source allowed for turbine miniaturization
yes. The real show was good because of stuff like that.
the giant mechanical drill was far beyond what we are even capable of today
so the leap from that to mecha then to giant mecha is not far fetched
Damn, I totally forgot that episode arc where the silicon microprocessor spirit taught the owlbears how to make complex electronics
>allegory of the second sino japanese war pitting a modern enemy against literal dirt farmers?
>no it's just rule of cool so the next one can go full cringe steampunk, then frick that up so hard it devolves into Robot Jox
>if I pretend to be a moron who missed the obvious addressing of the dangerous of unchecked technological development and military industrial complex, it doesn't exist
>TLA came first s-so it's moronic cringe steampunk rule of cool bullshit doesn't count against it!
>actually TLA was bad!
People come up with the wildest shit when they're trying to defend the flaws in Korra
Nta but I remember back in the day when Korra was not a thing how plenty of sci-fi/fantasy forums were pointing out how the technology in atla makes very little sense and sometimes contradicts the setting. That doesn't really make the show bad. Atla has plenty of flaws yet it's still a great show.
>the setting was medieval
>no it wasn't, TLA was full of 20th century+ bullshit
>b-but that doesn't count because the story was making real world parallels, Korra has moronic full steampunk shit
>Korra was also paralleling real world sociopolitical issues with its technology shit, and TLA went full moronic steampunk first
>n-no TLA wasn't bad >:(
I'll take your complete lack of any actual arguments as a concession.
>free heat energy society leverages steam power to do things we did in the 1820's-1890's like lighter than air flight is le hekkin moronic steampunk just like giant bipedial mechs powered by spirit farts
>korra was doing a socioe-girltical commentary through historic parallel too
lol lmao, of what exactly. Lets hear it anon.
>literally lenses and mirrors were harder to figure out than flight.
That thing can't drive itself. Azula's can.
By that logic we should have warships in space and giant gundams right now.
Where's the gundams, mansley
I kneel
The first design of a flying machine was in 1487.
>70 years later
It is easy to improve a product that already works, the difficult thing is to make it work.
come josephine on my gliding machine
we at least had a working understanding of fricking electricity at the time. This is like going from knights and horses to a fricking gundam
Yes, with the help of magic powers. Are you autistic or just stupid?
We're are our Evas tho? We were more advanced than them 70 years ago
And we still haven't developed giant mechs.
The unity of the bending kingdoms through Republic City led to a industrial revolution?
they already had super advanced technology made using only steam in their equivalent of the industrial age
after switching to a clean burning fuel like spirit energy, then a mecha is absolutely within their grasp
the only issue is that its sleek design clashes with the dieselpunk of the rest of the show
but moving from mini-mecha to giant mecha coinciding with a move from diesel to literally magic is absolutely fine in-universe
Yeah I agree, the chunkier mechs felt more believable and consistent, but I think the idea here is 'they couldn't make one this big unless it was very spindly'
I NEED to have sex with korra.
>t.Asami
ehhh it's pretty steampunk. I'm more concerned with the forklifts and shit in the comics. and all the bending retcons. and the lazy lezzy shit.
also satomobiles are stupid. also the 20s New York aesthetic was double stupid, especially the prudish-ass bathing suits. and what the frick does Tenzin think he's doing by segregating the airbenders by sex, that shit got his people extincted.
The normal mech tanks and mechs and planes and cars are all acceptable for me, Kuvira's giant mech is just stretching it and the 1920's shtick is too restrictive
it's also such a fricking step down after the wild and wonderful locales of the previous show. and they barely even traveled.
How it bothers me that people complain about Korra turning a blind eye to Fire Nation technology
there are widespread use of tanks in korra, we just start to see them transition to mechs
zeppelin technology is also widespread
The beginning of Korra in the 20's is good, except that in the avatar world there are geniuses, like the creator of airships in Aang's time, like Mr. Sato or Varrik, that's why there are mini mechas that give a steam vibe punk, and for the fourth season having the equivalent of nuclear energy, the spiritual energy being concentrated in a larger mecha, but nothing illogical for that world
God look at those things, black, no frills, purely utilitarian yet still menacing, black smoke steaming out of it. That's peak FN tech
The only particularly wild thing about the tanks was their rotating cabs.
Refrigeration was figured out using ether 1700's (and scaled up to meaningfully produce cold stuff in the 1800's) and the FN already steam engines, so it's entirely possible that they could run a vapor compression loop without modern refrigerants.
Magic and Spritual plot devices can do anything. Even become mecha.
It would have been better if it looked like a janky Metal Gear instead of Jet Alone.
THE UNENLIGHTENED MASSES
emperor chudette
How was she wrong again?
She let Korra live.
That was a benevolent act of mercy. Also, I now remember a fanfic where Kuvira was a futa and turned Korra into her cumdump after beating her.
Name?
She should have scissored Korra to her side.
>break the avatar's body with your bending
>break her mind/spirit with mindBENDING lesbian orgasms
All she really had to do was be content to rule her empire without Republic City, which was an area all nations agreed to keep independent 70 years ago, and she could have just won and maybe even beat them out economically instead since the City had been going to shit since all the spirit vines got everywhere.
>which was an area all nations agreed to keep independent 70 years ago
You mean the Earth Kingdom was forced to abandon about a sixth of their territory merely because some fire colonists settled there and gave birth to a few mutts.
>Invent tech for weapon of mass destruction
>Coastal enclave that has massive amount of spirit vines needed for bomb used to be your country's territory
>Guy who helped invent the bomb goes rogue and flees to Republic City
>City ruled by people who tried to kill you in your sleep during a truce
>People who have acted in bad faith all season
Kuvira did nothing wrong, in that situation she basically had to attack before a cold war could start
If you think that looks like anything in Gundam you are twenty different kinds of blind.
>gyro-stabilized, grappling hook equipped mechatanks on the level of WW1
>advanced automated door using large cable car transportation system out of the 20th century
>large-scale fully industrialized steel factories
>self-propelled giant caterpillar drill with advanced piping systems to extract excess material
>Medieval tech
People come up with the wildest shit when they're looking to point out flaws in Korra.
Not to mention that prison had refrigeration cooled cells. So closed system of r12 or similar refrigerant gas and a compressor
Giant mech? Fine. But why this design? Even the smaller platinum mechs looked more steampunk and fit in better. Someone got their Evangelion sketches mixed in with the other design choices and this one somehow won.
They went from tanks and airships to a mech powered by literal spirit magic and metal bending in 70 years.
Which is a bit more believable.
[Spoiler]Though I think the Mech should have been a giant land ship tank[/spoiler]
>gundam mech
Frick you, that's a Jet Alone ripoff. Disgusting swine.
Typical EVA pleb. Obviously it's macking on the Zigg Mack.
Cope harder, homosexual. It's JA, and always has been.
As if, anon. EVA itself owes a debt to that which came before it. Leave it to an EVAgay to fellate the show forever.
I unironically really love the Zigg Mack. Something about it seems fantastically alien and yet its gangly human shape I find incredibly charming. As they become more and more common as grunts somehow it only becomes even more endearing to me. It really does feel somehow like a mass produced war machine rather than some of the more unique Heavy Mobile Mecha that show up later in Ideon. Remain based Jet Alone enjoyer.
My problem is it looks stupid and is illogical. If it was literally anything else, even a literal modern battle tank, I would have been fine with it.
they were thinking, we want anime fans now more than ever
>Technological evolution in a fantasy world must match that of the real world because... it just must okay!
It shouldn't but the writers brought that autism by matching the 20s too much aesthetically
the problem is you can't put the cat back into the bag
with the new avatar series coming up presumably 50+ years later in canon then you're stuck with the question:
"couldn't they use the mechsuits to solve this problem?"
so they've limited what they can do in the world and the stories they can tell
all they had to do was NOT INTRODUCE FRICKING GUNDAMS
I liked the regular mechs in Korra but the ultimate super weapon one shouldn't have been humanoid like this, should've been some clunkier machine with the spirit canon attached to its top
The supergun was perfectly fine on its own, there wasn't really any need to do a twist reveal of a mech.
I've posted this before, but I'll post it again: the giant super weapon should have been a stationary tower being built out in the desert right before the twist was revealed, that being the tower made mobile by an army of Earth-benders moving the ground under it.
But that would have been too hard to plan and animate correctly so those talentless hacks probably never considered it.
And according to lore the best engineers were non-benders and fire nation people. No one had naval fleet apart from them, the skies were controlled by firebenders and some non-benders. In general, everyone lived in the dark ages while the fire nation and non-benders were in the industrial age
I think it looks ugly, the giant drill from ATL is the superior dumbass superweapon. Loved that thing.
They were thinking "this show will be set 300 years in the future" until Nick mandated the original Gaang being present but they never adjusted the setting to compensate
You're welcome
Can we post Ty Lee instead?
Regardless of whether the tech is reasonable, a stretch, or asinine, making a giant mech the threat in a show about person-level bending is kind of dumb. If I wanted mechs I'd watch a robot show
The giant robot isn't stupid because of its setting, it's stupid because it's a giant robot.
Medieval tech is not steel warships, zeppelins, and gigantic motherfricking drills
We're all waiting for the forklift pic so hurry up and post it.
It was the OP image for another thread but here it is.
Eyyyyy
It should have been a steampunk version of a armored core
Isn't that just Sakura Wars?
>What were they thinking for Korra?
BIIIIIIIIG CASH-IN WOOOOOOOO
Thanks Rick Flair.
>What were they thinking for Korra?
That Kaiju and Mecha stuff would make for good set pieces like the ocean spirit in AtLA