>Goodbye my invincible ghost army, sadly the wording of our initial business agreement only allowed me to employ you for this battle and I will need to sacrifice rohirrim and gondorian lives from now on
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Jackson's frick up, not Tolkien's
He knows. We tell him every time he posts this same moronic thread. Still, credit where credit is due.
and this is Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile
LotR movies are adaptations, so what's in the books remains relevant to EVERY discussion of the movies. Deal with it.
Ah yes because we are always so on topic here
Weren't they just ghosts in the book? All they could do is scare people and not physically harm them.
If you scare someone and give them a heart attack, does that not count as physically harming them?
Orcs can't be scared
Except by the shadow of a tater-fed manlet armed with pots and pans
>marching a ghost army to the fortress of a powerful necromancer
LOL
LMAO
This. It'd be like bringing Black Lives Matter to march against a Blackmancer.
The movies portray Sauron as only a giant flaming eye. Where was it hinted he had the capability of controlling a ghost army bound to Aragorn?
To be honest if this point was used as the reason in the movie it would make sense, but it isn't used.
He is literally running around in the hobbit and it takes the council of the wise to kick his ass
>the hobbit
I'm talking about the trilogy, which predates the hobbit by several years in release date
>I'm talking about the trilogy, which predates the hobbit by several years in release date
But it shows the authors intent to follow the book that has him running around in a corporeal body
yet he's not running around or shown as corporeal in the lotr trilogy. Every instance of Sauron is his flaming eye and voice. Hackson just changed his mind for the hobbit.
He controls literally dozens of spirits in the book not including the ringwraiths
Shit he's binding spirits to use them as ring doorbells when sam infiltrates the border tower with the phial of galadriel
Doesn't he stuff souls in animals and corpses to make things like wargs, werewolves, vampires and fellbeast?
If Sauron was such an epic Necromancer, why didn't he have his own invincible ghost army to easily destroy all of Middle Earth in an afternoon? It's so simple to make them, then why bother with a horde of shitty orcs?
>why didn't he have his own invincible ghost army
He did, they were called the Nazgul
They are neither ghosts nor invincible
>If their physical forms get wrecked, they just fly back to Mordor and recover
What were they then?
That's bullshit, they're quasi-undead but if their bodies are destroyed they're toast.
Hackson
>bringing an army of ghosts to fight THE Necromancer
is he a physical person in the books? cause the necromancer was talked about in the hobbit
He's also physical in the movies, he just doesn't go out
no, he is just an eye
in the movie hes an eye. in the books hes physical and has body. gollum sees him and describes him. also described atop his tower at one point.
that is his body when he gets the ring back
>behold your dead wife b***h
Sauron had that one in the chamber
Easiest villain trick out there. Just mention the hero's love interest or something they care about. Not like the hero can do it back, villains don't give a shit. What's Aragorn gunna come back with? He'll kill even more dumb orcs?
They NEVER show him doing any kind of necromancy in the movies THOUGH
Back when Tolkien was writing "necromancer" was synonymous with "spiritualist medium" or was used more generally as "evil wizard". It didn't have anything to do with the undead beyond talking to them. All the zombie shit came with D&D.
You just don't get it, THEY WERE TIRED OKAY?! They couldn't stand to be in the living world not one minute longer to, ya know, make up for their cowardice and dishonorable acts while alive.
In the books they don't even go to battle. Aragorn uses them to scare the soldiers at the docks so they could free the slaves, get some ships and take them to battle
Definitely the weakest of the three movies. Too many pointless changes, this being one of them. Just make the ghosts a psychological threat to the enemy like in the books instead of a fricking cheat code.
they only scare people off boats so they can steal them and then gone. they didnt just invalifate all struggles and the coalition of men fighting against the darkness. fricking hackson.
Why didn't Elrond suggest using the ghost homies to take the ring to Mordor?
I still smirk at this brief shot. It's like something out of a Hallmark tv movie, yet somehow it went all the way to the final edit. It's the only shot in the entire trilogy that looks off.
It's wholesome and comfy.
its the only bad thing in the entire film
Return of the King was a shit movie
They didn't do anything in the books except negate the reinforcements from [sauron-aligned southron country #37], they shouldn't have even put them in the movie at all honestly.
Then again the autism around aragorns magic sword would have been even more ridiculous if the movie scenes didn't occur.
just wait for the cooldown then summon them again moron
What game?
here have a free copy on me:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/battle-for-middle-earth-patch-222/downloads/patch-222
>https://www.moddb.com/mods/battle-for-middle-earth-patch-222/downloads/patch-222
frick i love this game. i used to play with my gf, we'd take small amounts of LSD on a saturday and just play round after round, changing the scenarios/upping the odds after each win. eventually things would get hectic and she'd lose it and i wasn't good enough to play for 2 vs 6 other hard ai. no longer together but now i have a real autistic gf who is 10 years younger than me and cries when gandalf falls every time. so life has its ups and downs. cant play RTS games to save her life LMAO
bro why the frick this lookin like a damn elden ring screenshot!!! DAFUQ??
the older I get, the more you realize that LOTR was just an early form of goyslop. straight up pozzed zogchow
>Hey invincible army, I know I gave you my word as the true heir of Isildur but listen, I'm going to need to break that promise and make you fight a few more battles before I release you ok??? Dude trust me : )
His word was never "fight in one battle for two hours, and you're free". Besides, they've been ghosts for thousands of years, what difference does it make to them to hang around a few more days?
there’s always one more battle
Their duty was to guard Gondor, not march on Mordor. The latter was never even a real plan, it was a suicide mission to buy time for Frodo. They fought for Aragorn and defended Gondor, their duty was fulfilled.
Mordor is part of Gondor
I remember years ago some subliterate jackass went on this spiel about Tolkien "writing himself into a corner" and being a hack. I was so fricking angry. Why do you idiots elevate Hackson to such an extent you lay his shitty rewrites at Tolkien's feet?
Because no taste LOTRgays never read the books. They think the movies just came out of nowhere and no one in Hollywood fricked it up, that it wasn't woke and proto capeshit, and so on. They're vermin. The movies are okay, but the fandom overrating them as much as they have for years is a complete turn off. It makes the movies way overrated. And I hate to say that as someone who likes them, but the autistic Black folk that sucked this trilogy's dick like it was some divinely sent down series was fricking disgusting.
Cynical elitist c**t
I just said I liked them. But for years all I heard was
>YOWZERS LE EPIN MAYMAYS LE EPIN FIGHTS AND CGI LE BASED LE WHITE MAIN CHARACTERS
And that was the best. The absolute Black person fandom killed it for me. I've never seen such an average trilogy based on a great book trilogy get so hyped up. You dogs just eat whatever shit is thrown at you and it's pathetic. The same gays who liked Avengers Endgame and shit. But maybe in another decade you'll sober up like you did about LoTR.
Turns out that most people can actually enjoy good things and not be a piece of shit about it
Well all the fans were being pieces of shit. And now we have a thread full of them finally sobering up that this was the precursor to capeshit and just fricked up any of the really good morals and lessons the books had for cucked and half assed Hollywood platitudes that sound nice.
No, you are the piece of shit.
>makes no points
>j-j-just let me enjoy my goyslop
Concession accepted.
Yeeey you won your little internet debate!
For a universe as large, intricate, and beloved as tolkiens, it is almost impossible to translate it to film in a way that honors the source material and also pleases the most rabid fans. If you obsess over every portraying every detail in the books you will never make anything watchable, let alone commercially successful. It is frankly a miracle that Peter Jackson managed to convince a studio to greenlight three whole movies. Imagine trying to do that today. We will never see a production like this again because Hollywood doesn't take those risks anymore. Just look at the amazon series if you don't believe me.
The Rings of Power is on par with these movies, though. Take off your nostalgia goggles. They are no more of a lore frick up than the movies you praise. The only difference is they added in some Black person dwarves. Quality wise they're basically the same thing.
Mentally ill contrarian
Then explain how Rings of Power is any worse besides black dwarves. There isn't any. You are just as bad as that. You always were just as bad as them. Even back then when this first came out. It's hard to admit, but you were the reddit newbie with godawful taste and only now years later are you able to see the shit you hate on today is nearly identical to the garbage you praised years ago.
Keep making a fool of yourself
>once again has no point of difference in quality beyond Black person dwarves
Your silence is damning. It shows that I'm exactly right. You like these movies for the nostalgia and comfy atmosphere. That's it. They are average at the most generous. Despicable rapes of Tolkien lore at worst.
You are so right! At last I truly see! Please... forgive me... How could I have been so blind...
>still not a single point
Concession accepted.
You win! You win! I yield!
I watched youtube videos of femautists complaining about how the costume design looks like shit and how a lot of designs and world building are meandering and go nowhere, detailing in character designs that signal nothing like the halflings wearing leaves in their hair and so on, Galadriels's armor being clunky and nonconforming, battles that don't strictly have any stakes and so on.
Even women hate it, not just your typical Cinemaphilener or old fan.
The invincible ghosts ruined this film for me, bros. I can't rewatch it like I can the first two.