You now remember how off the rails it goes beyond the fourth season, how everyone with a plan suddenly does the funny instead, how anyone likeable does evil/stupid things that make no sense, and finally how they ass pull every big bad because the directors and writers are hacks.
>Just read the books.
That's easy to say but try finishing all the books and then realizing if the fat frick every finishes the next one you'll have to reread the entire series just to even remember what's going on.
I don't remember a single thing about the Dorne subplot or the Iron born characters the last books focused on more
Every once in a while I think of rewatching it, then I remember all the horrible Daenerys and Sansa scenes. It's not worth it
I liked her book scenes. The one where she builds a snow castle of Winterfell and thinks about her home and about Jon who is so far away and how he's the only family she has left in the world even though we only saw them exchange like 2 words before then is my favourite chapter in the books.
Got excited when I started to rewatch, quickly realized the whole thrill of the show are the shocks and cliffhangers - after one watch you see it all coming and holy SHIT is it boring and poorly written lmao
Read the books and you wont want to watch it past season 2. The only dilemma is you might end up interested in a book series that has a 10% chance of getting it's next installment and a 0% chance of it ending.
There are enough pieces there for you to figure out and imagine your own satisfying ending. It's not ideal but whatever ending you come up with has a 100% chance of being better than what George would have given us.
There are enough pieces there for you to figure out and imagine your own satisfying ending. It's not ideal but whatever ending you come up with has a 100% chance of being better than what George would have given us.
>In a recent interview at an event with Shadowhunters writer Cassandra Clare, Martin briefly joked that early 2025 could still see him trying to finalize the sixth book in his beloved fantasy series. When Clare raised that she has a new novel due out March of 2025, The Ragpicker King, Martin playfully added “the really depressing thing is that still may beat The Winds of Winter, who the hell knows?”
He said needs two 1,500 page books to end the series. If he had written just one page a day (taking weekends off), he would have written over 3,000 pages during those twelve years.
Dance wasn't finished. The publisher forced him to release what he had to capitalize on the show. The book was supposed to end with the battles of Meereen and Winterfel.
Despite those two battles being left out he still left us with the following plot lines which may never be resolved
-Kevan and Pycelle's assassination by Varys/Revelation of the Faegon cause
-Jon's betrayl at the wall
-Cersei's trial
-The BWOB/Stoneheart plot to capture/execute Jaime
-Attack on Storm's End
-Probably more I'm forgetting
And it sucks because D&D left out half of these hooks from the show not that they would've been adapted by those two mouth breathers properly anyway.
>The BWOB/Stoneheart plot to capture/execute Jaime
Out of all the plot lines in the series, this is by far the most pointless. Stoneheart is supposed to show us that magic can bring people back to life (even though they come back wrong), but Beric and Ironborn already showed us that, making her completely purposeless. It would be cool for Jon to get Robb's crown I guess, but logistically, there is no way the BWOB gets through the North in the middle of winter. Most likely Brienne will kill LS to save Pod and Jaime but that feels like a crap way to end the BWOB storyline.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe and maybe not I believe the LS/BWOB arc is leading the reader to believe that Brienne is going to kill LS to save Jaime but I think it is actually being used as a means to push the Riverlands into more chaos by setting up a Red Wedding 2.0. I think the BWOB/LS may use Jaime to gain access to the wedding of Daven Lannister to one of the Frey's which will result in the slaughter of Frey and Lannister leadership in the Riverlands.
Read the books instead. Despite not being finished, you will at least gain something new by reading them, and then you have something to look forward to being released indefinitely.
Anyone got some other bookino like game of thrones? I have the black prism and gardens of the moon but I want to start something that's similar to game of thrones but finished.
>I have the black prism
If you liked that series (Brent Weeks kinda ran out of steam toward the end of book 4 and book 5 was very disappointing) try his Night Angel series. Even more grimdark than Lightbringer.
Thanks lads. I did like the black prism I have blinding knife but I don't think it's really what I'm looking for right now. I'm almost done with game of thrones but having seen the show recently the first book is so similar it ls hard to slog through. Plus I it isn't finished.
>I have the black prism
If you liked that series (Brent Weeks kinda ran out of steam toward the end of book 4 and book 5 was very disappointing) try his Night Angel series. Even more grimdark than Lightbringer.
not a single character's story goes anywhere because they don't go anywhere in the books. All the good characters are killed except 2, jon and dany and they're the "chosen ones" with plot armor a mile thick.
All aide characters are pointless because no subplot ever comes to fruition in the show or the books. Turns out Littlefinger's "master plan" didn't exist and the show lied and he dies randomly. Lord of Light and brotherhood without banners completely dropped from the show. Maesters completely dropped from the show, Sam is completely useless character that doesn't need to exist. There is no conclusion to his arc, there is no conclusion to any character's arc. Jaime dies going back to his sister, what? The hound tackles his brother off a cliff, what? Brick or whatever the frick the paralyzed Yoda seer brother is forgets he has magic time powers and warg ability and is "there" the rest of the show
>be King Viserys I >be the most powerful man in the seven kingdoms >it is within your power to prevent war >it is within your power to prevent the dragons from dying out >it is within your power to prevent 150 years of conflict that will end with the last of your line dying pathetically on the floor of the throne room >all you have to do is marry your sexy daughter, who kinda wants your dick anyway >sit on your ass for a decade and then force her to marry a gay guy
He killed millions.
I can relate to this guy. My old party house was like a big family but they all fractured and went at eachothers throats and when I tried to stay friends with everyone they all distanced themselves from me.
The show (and book for that matter) rely entirely on suspense and shock value. Watching/reading it a second time, knowing what's going to happen will make it seem boring and empty.
Not OP but I was also thinking of rewatching it and scenes like this unironically make me not want to
For like 3-4 seasons its unsurpassable kino, they perfected the formula tested out in Rome. Then they realised the dumber they made it the more people watched, so we got Ed Sheeran
The ending. The godawful ending and the 3 seasons leading up to that ending. Sit down uncle. The rape, sansa. The bells, etc. Im still salty as hell recounting it for you.
The ending was fine - I actually like the point that viewers cheered on Dany's insanity when it was directed against people we were told we shouldn't like but were shocked when it went too far. The screeching over this was mainly from morons who thought that 'girlboss' meant 'woman who treats people badly with impunity'
The Night King ending was dumb though. Sadly the show needed like 1 extra season to wrap everything up but instead was rushed. No idea why - surely it was printing money with all the normie viewers
You think Dany's turn to le ebil wasn't going against her characterisation from the previous seasons? You think Snows ending wasnt a complete anticlimax? What about Jaime? My god. What about the muh dick pirate, Euron? Etc etc. See, I'm still very salty
>You think Dany's turn to le ebil wasn't going against her characterisation from the previous seasons?
Not in hindsight, the whole point was that she was ruthless and cruel the whole time, she was just convinced she was doing it for the right reasons - eventually she did it for the wrong reasons
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I agree that it could have been done better though - the turn to her being fully insane was too sudden
>You think Snows ending wasnt a complete anticlimax?
Jon was already a king. I'm not sure it would have been more exciting for him to just be a bigger kind of king
>What about Jaime?
What was wrong with that? He had a very interesting arc I thought
>Euron
Never really cared about Euron, what's the complaint there?
> Jon was already a king. I'm not sure it would have been more exciting for him to just be a bigger kind of king
Either he kills the night king m or he becomes the next king of Westeros. Any other ending would've been a letdown... > Baelish being bested by Sansa... > immortal charicature Maisie Williams... > dany ~~*forgot*~~ about the iron fleet, getting one of her dragons killed > suddenly moronic Tyrion...
What Im getting at ... Complex characterisation was thrown out of the window. What was one of the strong points of the show, became its laughing stock. Startling turn, because of how strong the show was s1-4.
>Complex characterisation was thrown out of the window.
The characters were really not ever that complex. Their arcs felt awkward because the source material ran out half-way, they did the best with what they had,
7 months ago
Anonymous
Right, in comparison to contemporary shows then. It was a noticable step up and was what initially drew me to the show.
>Not in hindsight, the whole point was that she was ruthless and cruel the whole time, she was just convinced she was doing it for the right reasons - eventually she did it for the wrong reasons
If you think this is the character arc that was supposed to be set up, you're an absolute homosexual. Dany's claim to the throne relies entirely on birthright and her control over dragons. Its so fricking obvious that Aegon VI (Young Griff) was going to undo both of these claims through the eventual help from Victarion and the dragon horn. All 3 characters are supposed to meet in the next book.
It's pretty obvious when you think about it >Dany denies Euron's terms brought forth by Victarion >Dany is also assblasted over the discovery of Aegon VI >she demands fealty on account of her possessing dragons >the meeting only serves to shows how dangerous Dany is to Victarion and Aegon who begin to align with each other >Victarion ferries Aegon and Griff back to Iron Islands either by escaping in the dead of night or by using the Dragonbinder to ward off/counteract the dragons >per the prophecy, Victarion kills Euron to activate the Dragonbinder's full potential >meeting of the minds pt. 2 >King Aegon and King Victarion steal Rhaegal and Viserion >Dany still maintains control over Drogon due to deep bond shared
Then the rest of the Iron Throne conflict plays out like a mini Dance of Dragons where Aegon eventually controls King's Landing and Dany chooses to burn it down due to no longer having the birthright claim and also being an enemy of the state who refuses to abdicate. Same ending, better circumstances.
>he still thinks the fatman actually has a plan
George has lost control of this story and has no idea how to end it, how are people still not getting this
>No idea why - surely it was printing money with all the normie viewers
O IT WAS. HBO was ready to throw as much money as possible at their golden goose. GRRM Was optimistic and was willing to help with the episodes. Fans Wanted more. Everyone wanted to give Show as much time and money as it needed.
Everyone exept D&D. They felt tired, and wanted to move into other places( got offered working on Star Wars). But they were legitematly afraid that they will get overshadowed by other showrunners. So they ignored everyone and did their own thing. You can guess how it ended. They threw away a showrunners dream scenario entiteled shits
ASOIAF discussion online is always dominated by people who haven't actually read the books. The fourth and fifth books are an actual slog to read through where nothing happens and the few interesting characters left (Sansa, Arya, Stoneheart, etc) are sidelined in favor of side characters or new characters that nobody cares about. Literally the only interesting parts of Feast are the Cersei/Jaime chapters, and the only interesting part of Dance are the theon chapters.
The rest of the books are Brienne doing nothing, stuff in Dorne that nobody cares about, stuff with the Iron Islands that nobody cares about, Daenarys being mopey, oh and there's plenty of Jon chapters. You know, Jon, the most boring character in the books who's only interesting because he's in an interesting setting? Well let's remove all the mystery and action from The Wall and just have him doing administrative shit because he's the leader now (for some reason).
anyways just be happy your show got an ending and won't die because a diabetic old man wants to work on card games and blog post about sports.
You now remember how off the rails it goes beyond the fourth season, how everyone with a plan suddenly does the funny instead, how anyone likeable does evil/stupid things that make no sense, and finally how they ass pull every big bad because the directors and writers are hacks.
>beyond the fourth season
Only the first two seasons are worth watching.
Hotd is better
Muh girl boss fighting the patriarchy slayy queen yasss
Daenerys, Arya, and Sansa is just this too
Daenerys is not fighting for women, she wants to bring back House Targaryen. Arya wants to kill Cersei too.
sexless incel
Woman, and/or homosexual
they all die in the end so men win
Just read the books.
The fatso will die before finishing the book
>Just read the books.
That's easy to say but try finishing all the books and then realizing if the fat frick every finishes the next one you'll have to reread the entire series just to even remember what's going on.
I don't remember a single thing about the Dorne subplot or the Iron born characters the last books focused on more
The Epic of Gilgamesh got a new chapter more recently than that fat frick put a book out
this
read the books OP, seethe with us while we wait another decade for winds of winter
this is the answer
try the audiobooks while perusing illustrations and the wiki if you want a richer media experience
Poor Robin.
Lmfao I haven't gotten to this part of the books yet.
>Talk me out of rewatching it
You will have to watch anything of Sansa
I liked her book scenes. The one where she builds a snow castle of Winterfell and thinks about her home and about Jon who is so far away and how he's the only family she has left in the world even though we only saw them exchange like 2 words before then is my favourite chapter in the books.
Every once in a while I think of rewatching it, then I remember all the horrible Daenerys and Sansa scenes. It's not worth it
To be fair you can skip every Dany scene up until season 7 and the show still works fine
Half of the seasons are a trainwreck.
There is nothing wrong with rewatching the first season, it's pretty kino.
All you need to do is stop after that.
You have a limited amount of time on this Earth, why waste it rewatching a show that becomes a dumpster fire half way through. Watch something else.
Tb.h the fist seasons are really good
But I just know that if i watch it I'll become depressed knowing what's next
I agree, but a show without an ending is simply not as good man.
Got excited when I started to rewatch, quickly realized the whole thrill of the show are the shocks and cliffhangers - after one watch you see it all coming and holy SHIT is it boring and poorly written lmao
the cliffhangers+the cultural phenomenon surrounding the show made watching it for the first time a very different experience
But it's still good (the first seasons) and worth a rewatch
Danny just sort of forgot about the iron fleet
Read the books and you wont want to watch it past season 2. The only dilemma is you might end up interested in a book series that has a 10% chance of getting it's next installment and a 0% chance of it ending.
There are enough pieces there for you to figure out and imagine your own satisfying ending. It's not ideal but whatever ending you come up with has a 100% chance of being better than what George would have given us.
STOP FRICKING PESTERING ME ABOUT IT
It's over
>In a recent interview at an event with Shadowhunters writer Cassandra Clare, Martin briefly joked that early 2025 could still see him trying to finalize the sixth book in his beloved fantasy series. When Clare raised that she has a new novel due out March of 2025, The Ragpicker King, Martin playfully added “the really depressing thing is that still may beat The Winds of Winter, who the hell knows?”
He's mocking us bros
fat c**t thinks it's funny
At this point i hope he never finishes it because then my refrain of
>The TV show had a better ending than the books
will remain evergreen.
He said needs two 1,500 page books to end the series. If he had written just one page a day (taking weekends off), he would have written over 3,000 pages during those twelve years.
This reminds me of when Neil Gaiman made that "George R.R. Martin is not your b***h" post and it made me dislike that smug fricking hack even more.
>and a 0% chance of it ending.
It's painful and he left ADWD with so many cliffhangers and upcoming battles making it extra cruel to the readers
Dance wasn't finished. The publisher forced him to release what he had to capitalize on the show. The book was supposed to end with the battles of Meereen and Winterfel.
Despite those two battles being left out he still left us with the following plot lines which may never be resolved
-Kevan and Pycelle's assassination by Varys/Revelation of the Faegon cause
-Jon's betrayl at the wall
-Cersei's trial
-The BWOB/Stoneheart plot to capture/execute Jaime
-Attack on Storm's End
-Probably more I'm forgetting
And it sucks because D&D left out half of these hooks from the show not that they would've been adapted by those two mouth breathers properly anyway.
>The BWOB/Stoneheart plot to capture/execute Jaime
Out of all the plot lines in the series, this is by far the most pointless. Stoneheart is supposed to show us that magic can bring people back to life (even though they come back wrong), but Beric and Ironborn already showed us that, making her completely purposeless. It would be cool for Jon to get Robb's crown I guess, but logistically, there is no way the BWOB gets through the North in the middle of winter. Most likely Brienne will kill LS to save Pod and Jaime but that feels like a crap way to end the BWOB storyline.
Maybe and maybe not I believe the LS/BWOB arc is leading the reader to believe that Brienne is going to kill LS to save Jaime but I think it is actually being used as a means to push the Riverlands into more chaos by setting up a Red Wedding 2.0. I think the BWOB/LS may use Jaime to gain access to the wedding of Daven Lannister to one of the Frey's which will result in the slaughter of Frey and Lannister leadership in the Riverlands.
you know where it ends
Read the books instead. Despite not being finished, you will at least gain something new by reading them, and then you have something to look forward to being released indefinitely.
Anyone got some other bookino like game of thrones? I have the black prism and gardens of the moon but I want to start something that's similar to game of thrones but finished.
Deltora Quest
Thanks lads. I did like the black prism I have blinding knife but I don't think it's really what I'm looking for right now. I'm almost done with game of thrones but having seen the show recently the first book is so similar it ls hard to slog through. Plus I it isn't finished.
I love Deltora especially as a kid. Sad we only had a shitty anime attempt at it.
Book of the New Sun
>I have the black prism
If you liked that series (Brent Weeks kinda ran out of steam toward the end of book 4 and book 5 was very disappointing) try his Night Angel series. Even more grimdark than Lightbringer.
Currently reading Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. Big inspiration for ASOIAF as stated by Martin. It's pretty good.
Will anything ever beat "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron fleet"?
not a single character's story goes anywhere because they don't go anywhere in the books. All the good characters are killed except 2, jon and dany and they're the "chosen ones" with plot armor a mile thick.
All aide characters are pointless because no subplot ever comes to fruition in the show or the books. Turns out Littlefinger's "master plan" didn't exist and the show lied and he dies randomly. Lord of Light and brotherhood without banners completely dropped from the show. Maesters completely dropped from the show, Sam is completely useless character that doesn't need to exist. There is no conclusion to his arc, there is no conclusion to any character's arc. Jaime dies going back to his sister, what? The hound tackles his brother off a cliff, what? Brick or whatever the frick the paralyzed Yoda seer brother is forgets he has magic time powers and warg ability and is "there" the rest of the show
You just pissed me off all over again
>be King Viserys I
>be the most powerful man in the seven kingdoms
>it is within your power to prevent war
>it is within your power to prevent the dragons from dying out
>it is within your power to prevent 150 years of conflict that will end with the last of your line dying pathetically on the floor of the throne room
>all you have to do is marry your sexy daughter, who kinda wants your dick anyway
>sit on your ass for a decade and then force her to marry a gay guy
He killed millions.
I can relate to this guy. My old party house was like a big family but they all fractured and went at eachothers throats and when I tried to stay friends with everyone they all distanced themselves from me.
> My old party house
Settle down chad
Rewatch it up to Tywin's death.
Then go read the books.
You're beyond help if you actually watched it complete once.
The show (and book for that matter) rely entirely on suspense and shock value. Watching/reading it a second time, knowing what's going to happen will make it seem boring and empty.
Napes I've enjoyed rewatching it
you're welcome
Not OP but I was also thinking of rewatching it and scenes like this unironically make me not want to
For like 3-4 seasons its unsurpassable kino, they perfected the formula tested out in Rome. Then they realised the dumber they made it the more people watched, so we got Ed Sheeran
The ending. The godawful ending and the 3 seasons leading up to that ending. Sit down uncle. The rape, sansa. The bells, etc. Im still salty as hell recounting it for you.
The ending was fine - I actually like the point that viewers cheered on Dany's insanity when it was directed against people we were told we shouldn't like but were shocked when it went too far. The screeching over this was mainly from morons who thought that 'girlboss' meant 'woman who treats people badly with impunity'
The Night King ending was dumb though. Sadly the show needed like 1 extra season to wrap everything up but instead was rushed. No idea why - surely it was printing money with all the normie viewers
You think Dany's turn to le ebil wasn't going against her characterisation from the previous seasons? You think Snows ending wasnt a complete anticlimax? What about Jaime? My god. What about the muh dick pirate, Euron? Etc etc. See, I'm still very salty
>You think Dany's turn to le ebil wasn't going against her characterisation from the previous seasons?
Not in hindsight, the whole point was that she was ruthless and cruel the whole time, she was just convinced she was doing it for the right reasons - eventually she did it for the wrong reasons
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I agree that it could have been done better though - the turn to her being fully insane was too sudden
>You think Snows ending wasnt a complete anticlimax?
Jon was already a king. I'm not sure it would have been more exciting for him to just be a bigger kind of king
>What about Jaime?
What was wrong with that? He had a very interesting arc I thought
>Euron
Never really cared about Euron, what's the complaint there?
> Jon was already a king. I'm not sure it would have been more exciting for him to just be a bigger kind of king
Either he kills the night king m or he becomes the next king of Westeros. Any other ending would've been a letdown...
> Baelish being bested by Sansa...
> immortal charicature Maisie Williams...
> dany ~~*forgot*~~ about the iron fleet, getting one of her dragons killed
> suddenly moronic Tyrion...
What Im getting at ... Complex characterisation was thrown out of the window. What was one of the strong points of the show, became its laughing stock. Startling turn, because of how strong the show was s1-4.
>Complex characterisation was thrown out of the window.
The characters were really not ever that complex. Their arcs felt awkward because the source material ran out half-way, they did the best with what they had,
Right, in comparison to contemporary shows then. It was a noticable step up and was what initially drew me to the show.
>Not in hindsight, the whole point was that she was ruthless and cruel the whole time, she was just convinced she was doing it for the right reasons - eventually she did it for the wrong reasons
If you think this is the character arc that was supposed to be set up, you're an absolute homosexual. Dany's claim to the throne relies entirely on birthright and her control over dragons. Its so fricking obvious that Aegon VI (Young Griff) was going to undo both of these claims through the eventual help from Victarion and the dragon horn. All 3 characters are supposed to meet in the next book.
It's pretty obvious when you think about it
>Dany denies Euron's terms brought forth by Victarion
>Dany is also assblasted over the discovery of Aegon VI
>she demands fealty on account of her possessing dragons
>the meeting only serves to shows how dangerous Dany is to Victarion and Aegon who begin to align with each other
>Victarion ferries Aegon and Griff back to Iron Islands either by escaping in the dead of night or by using the Dragonbinder to ward off/counteract the dragons
>per the prophecy, Victarion kills Euron to activate the Dragonbinder's full potential
>meeting of the minds pt. 2
>King Aegon and King Victarion steal Rhaegal and Viserion
>Dany still maintains control over Drogon due to deep bond shared
Then the rest of the Iron Throne conflict plays out like a mini Dance of Dragons where Aegon eventually controls King's Landing and Dany chooses to burn it down due to no longer having the birthright claim and also being an enemy of the state who refuses to abdicate. Same ending, better circumstances.
>he still thinks the fatman actually has a plan
George has lost control of this story and has no idea how to end it, how are people still not getting this
>What was wrong with that?
>No idea why - surely it was printing money with all the normie viewers
O IT WAS. HBO was ready to throw as much money as possible at their golden goose. GRRM Was optimistic and was willing to help with the episodes. Fans Wanted more. Everyone wanted to give Show as much time and money as it needed.
Everyone exept D&D. They felt tired, and wanted to move into other places( got offered working on Star Wars). But they were legitematly afraid that they will get overshadowed by other showrunners. So they ignored everyone and did their own thing. You can guess how it ended. They threw away a showrunners dream scenario entiteled shits
You now remember that the plot of GoT is actually something something Jon Arynn
8.5 and higher should always be green.
People really thought the later seasons were on par, in terms of score, with the first season?
You have to watch Arya scenes where she sweeps a couple of floors and then becomes a master assassin somehow
TAOOBA
>Talk me out of rewatching it
you could watch 30 kino classic movies you've not yet watched
ASOIAF discussion online is always dominated by people who haven't actually read the books. The fourth and fifth books are an actual slog to read through where nothing happens and the few interesting characters left (Sansa, Arya, Stoneheart, etc) are sidelined in favor of side characters or new characters that nobody cares about. Literally the only interesting parts of Feast are the Cersei/Jaime chapters, and the only interesting part of Dance are the theon chapters.
The rest of the books are Brienne doing nothing, stuff in Dorne that nobody cares about, stuff with the Iron Islands that nobody cares about, Daenarys being mopey, oh and there's plenty of Jon chapters. You know, Jon, the most boring character in the books who's only interesting because he's in an interesting setting? Well let's remove all the mystery and action from The Wall and just have him doing administrative shit because he's the leader now (for some reason).
anyways just be happy your show got an ending and won't die because a diabetic old man wants to work on card games and blog post about sports.
>The fourth and fifth books are an actual slog to read through where nothing happens
Sounds about right from my memory.
S7-8 they started giving more screen time and more dialog to all the backup actresses.