>oscar winning excellent director >arguably the best writer of all time with multiple other hit novels and movies wrote the script >all star cast including oscar winners and popular current actors (bardem, pitt, fassbender, diaz)
... >turns out to be unwatchable incoherent garbage that ends with the worst-delivered monologue of all time
the only memorable parts of the movie are the assassination device used on brad pitt, cameron diaz cementing herself as the worst actress of a generation, and having nightmares about Bardem saying >COWNSALURRRRRRRR
over and over again with his stupid haircut
You can argue there are worse movies with low budgets and dumb ideas, but i couldn't believe how terrible this was vs expectation and what they had to work with. This is like if you gave a 5 star chef the finest, freshest ingredients in the world and they made uneatable garbage
It seems to me that Scott is largely responsible for this chaos.
Scott made the film for two reasons.
First, the success of the Cohen Brothers with No Country for Old Men and they wanted to win their Oscar too.
Number two
Scott is a superficial director who can't cast an intellectual eye on the cartel in Mexico and the repercussions for anyone who gets involved in that shit.
I'm not sure if Corman McCartney was the greatest writer I ever lived at his time but it's an interesting thought.
Scott and his brother have made multiple films about organized crime and the cartels.
Given some of the weird specifics Ridley talked about in the DVD commentary, (or maybe some film documentary on the making of The Counselor), Ridley and his brother likely have far more knowledge about cartel activities than you might think.
>The extinction of all reality is a concept that no resignation can encompass. And yet, in that despair, which is transcendent, you will find the ancient understanding that the Philosopher’s Stone will always be found despised and buried in the mud. This may seem like a small thing in the face of annihilation, until annihilation occurs. And then all the designs and grand plans will be revealed for what they are.
is there an esoteric reading or commentary of this movie somewhere? it seems like it's trying to say something about the abuse of sexual energy and the decapitations seem very symbolic
Pretty sure Cormac Mcarthy wrote the script to troll all of Hollywood and cash a fat check and everyone on the Hollywood side was too fricking dumb to get it so they just went with it.
If you watch the whole thing as making fun of Hollywood Action Shit and Hollywood in general it all works pretty well.
ok after googling cormacs intentions on creating a greek tragedy and then meditating on the movie for a bit I figured it out
it's a cautionary tale about a dude who has everything going well for him and one day decides to do something stupid (spill the cup of hermes)
the violence and the business stuff is the exoteric skin on the surface, while the sex stuff builds up to that talk about the philosophers stone, which is the esoteric commentary underneath
the decapitations, well, I hesitate to say exactly what that means. They are involuntary decapitations so I'm not 100% sure. I am reminded of ancient aztec temples, where you would be decapitated if you nutted while having sacred sex with a priestess.
>"On the patios of the temple of the Aztecs, naked men and women participated in the Arcanum A.Z.F. for entire months. Whosoever ejaculated the semen, by any chance, was condemed to death for profaning the temple. Afterwards, he was decapitated." -Sexology, the Basis of Endocrinology and Criminology, 1959
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Neat. Thanks anon.
I wonder if the ladies would intentionally make certain dudes blow to get them unalived.
it's deeply flawed but more interesting than the claustrophobic no country for old men adaptation. ridley's messy style still manages to be more inspired that the cookie cutter coen bros.
you know... in a weird way... I think this movie pairs well with the kingdom of heaven (the director's cut)
I'm also reminded of that time Ridley Scott used an ancient gnostic text on a prada commercial. I don't think he's an atheist, even if he likes to do a little bit of trolling.
yeah I imagine that's why they chose Giger for that since his stuff had kind of a sexual thing going for it. Or are you suggesting the visuals inspired the script? I can't remember the behind the scenes for Alien
Is there any “lore” connecting The Counselor to any other films?
In Sicario, the Sicario is a former “lawyer”, whose wife and daughter were murdered by the cartels.
In The Counselor, the Counselor, is a lawyer, whose fiancé is murdered by a cartel, from Mexico, because he is remotely linked to an attempt yo rip off that cartel.
The Counselor, is obviously a lawyer for the cartels, and people connected to the cartels.
The Counselor, unlike practically everybody else in the film, is not killed, and is simply left to suffer.
Is there a movie that better exemplifies the term "mid" than this movie?
>oscar winning excellent director
>arguably the best writer of all time with multiple other hit novels and movies wrote the script
>all star cast including oscar winners and popular current actors (bardem, pitt, fassbender, diaz)
...
>turns out to be unwatchable incoherent garbage that ends with the worst-delivered monologue of all time
the only memorable parts of the movie are the assassination device used on brad pitt, cameron diaz cementing herself as the worst actress of a generation, and having nightmares about Bardem saying
>COWNSALURRRRRRRR
over and over again with his stupid haircut
You can argue there are worse movies with low budgets and dumb ideas, but i couldn't believe how terrible this was vs expectation and what they had to work with. This is like if you gave a 5 star chef the finest, freshest ingredients in the world and they made uneatable garbage
It seems to me that Scott is largely responsible for this chaos.
Scott made the film for two reasons.
First, the success of the Cohen Brothers with No Country for Old Men and they wanted to win their Oscar too.
Number two
Scott is a superficial director who can't cast an intellectual eye on the cartel in Mexico and the repercussions for anyone who gets involved in that shit.
I'm not sure if Corman McCartney was the greatest writer I ever lived at his time but it's an interesting thought.
Scott and his brother have made multiple films about organized crime and the cartels.
Given some of the weird specifics Ridley talked about in the DVD commentary, (or maybe some film documentary on the making of The Counselor), Ridley and his brother likely have far more knowledge about cartel activities than you might think.
What monologue? By the way, I was surprised by the cast for this movie. Scott still had drawing power in Hollywood, well, I think he still does.
>arguably the best writer of all time with multiple other hit novels and movies wrote the script
kekerino
I don't know counselor
Bardem’s repeated >cownslurr and Diaz rubbing her junk on the windshield are the only two things I remember about this movie
>The extinction of all reality is a concept that no resignation can encompass. And yet, in that despair, which is transcendent, you will find the ancient understanding that the Philosopher’s Stone will always be found despised and buried in the mud. This may seem like a small thing in the face of annihilation, until annihilation occurs. And then all the designs and grand plans will be revealed for what they are.
is there an esoteric reading or commentary of this movie somewhere? it seems like it's trying to say something about the abuse of sexual energy and the decapitations seem very symbolic
The sexual energy of Cameron Díaz.
What's the point of making movies like this? If I want misery I will just watch the news.
It was meant to warn people about how subhuman mexicans are, but most people missed that.
This is one of Ridley Scott's best work, according to himself
I quite liked it. Diaz was playing an insufferable character so I didn't mind. The ending was pretty hard hitting.
Pretty sure Cormac Mcarthy wrote the script to troll all of Hollywood and cash a fat check and everyone on the Hollywood side was too fricking dumb to get it so they just went with it.
If you watch the whole thing as making fun of Hollywood Action Shit and Hollywood in general it all works pretty well.
It's just embarassing for everyone involved....
ok after googling cormacs intentions on creating a greek tragedy and then meditating on the movie for a bit I figured it out
it's a cautionary tale about a dude who has everything going well for him and one day decides to do something stupid (spill the cup of hermes)
the violence and the business stuff is the exoteric skin on the surface, while the sex stuff builds up to that talk about the philosophers stone, which is the esoteric commentary underneath
the decapitations, well, I hesitate to say exactly what that means. They are involuntary decapitations so I'm not 100% sure. I am reminded of ancient aztec temples, where you would be decapitated if you nutted while having sacred sex with a priestess.
I think I'm right on the money ngl tbh lads
>I am reminded of ancient aztec temples, where you would be decapitated if you nutted while having sacred sex with a priestess.
Sauce?
I read it in one of samael aun weors books
He has a lot of books
ok I found the quote with my google skills
>"On the patios of the temple of the Aztecs, naked men and women participated in the Arcanum A.Z.F. for entire months. Whosoever ejaculated the semen, by any chance, was condemed to death for profaning the temple. Afterwards, he was decapitated." -Sexology, the Basis of Endocrinology and Criminology, 1959
Neat. Thanks anon.
I wonder if the ladies would intentionally make certain dudes blow to get them unalived.
lmfao
it's deeply flawed but more interesting than the claustrophobic no country for old men adaptation. ridley's messy style still manages to be more inspired that the cookie cutter coen bros.
There's NO WAY you'd be allowed to bring trucks of HUMAN WASTE up from Mexico into the USA
*filters everyone*
It's so bizarrely obvious it's not Brad Pitt laying on the ground getting his neck slashed open, they didn't even try
you know... in a weird way... I think this movie pairs well with the kingdom of heaven (the director's cut)
I'm also reminded of that time Ridley Scott used an ancient gnostic text on a prada commercial. I don't think he's an atheist, even if he likes to do a little bit of trolling.
I'm also reminded that the xenomorph is a very phallic design
what exactly IS ridley scotts agenda?
That's Giger's doing.
yeah I imagine that's why they chose Giger for that since his stuff had kind of a sexual thing going for it. Or are you suggesting the visuals inspired the script? I can't remember the behind the scenes for Alien
I am suggesting Giger was physically incapable of designing something without a dick
Didn’t Cormac McCarthy write this when he was in the can, taking a break from a book he was working on?
Is there any “lore” connecting The Counselor to any other films?
In Sicario, the Sicario is a former “lawyer”, whose wife and daughter were murdered by the cartels.
In The Counselor, the Counselor, is a lawyer, whose fiancé is murdered by a cartel, from Mexico, because he is remotely linked to an attempt yo rip off that cartel.
The Counselor, is obviously a lawyer for the cartels, and people connected to the cartels.
The Counselor, unlike practically everybody else in the film, is not killed, and is simply left to suffer.
you have the Hank Schrader Breaking Bad jump scare