113 is a recurring number in Gunnerkrigg Court. It's based on Tom's light superstition or perhaps just curiosity at seeing the number a lot in his life.
>look at Ysengrin! >I tricked him into getting what he wanted, it driving him mad and killing me, becoming a total butthole he hates, falling in love with a robot that turned into a human >and then I burst out of his mouth >I know everyone can appreciate my tremendous jape
What the FRICK is the end game of this comic anymore?
It really did feel like Loop was going to be the final boss, and now, frick I don't even know what we are building to. Even Homestuck was more narratively cohesive.
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
It clearly isn't canon. The post apocalypse stuff is all just balenciaga photo shoot type stuff. The bonus pages are clearly the canon of Tea. Proof: Tom doesn't exist in the same universe as Tea.
>evil
I'm so tired of you moralgays. Wahhhh you can't just kill that baby, that's evil! Nooooo you can't just torture people for weeks, that's evil! Stop it stop it, you can't just set massive forests on fire for the express purpose of killing wildlife, that's MUH EVIL!
It only makes things unpredictable, not nondeterministic. The Norns story (yeah, I know) shows that time travel can happen presumably through the ether, so you can potentially see the future with etheric powers.
No they don’t. Our reality could be completely deterministic on a fundamental level but appear to be driven by randomness due to the uncertainty principle.
>No they don't
Yes, they do. Deterministic means able to be predicted. >a deterministic universe can appear random due to the uncertainty principle
You're thinking of hidden variables, but either way the universe would still be predictable.
>Deterministic means able to be predicted.
Deterministic does not mean able to be predicted. A black box may be deterministic.
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Anonymous
A black box is defined by a lack of knowledge
Whether something is or is not predictable has nothing to do with individual knowledge, that is whether or not person X can predict it.
This is a difference of semantics but it's an important one.
Relating back to the story Loup had a whole autistic spiel about how a world without ether is determined and unchanging and heavily implies free will (through etheric means). That means the ether makes the world non-deterministic.
Which means Coyote couldn't have known this would happen
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's a difference in semantics, but not the one you're talking about. Deterministic is not a synonym of predictable. A deterministic universe doesn't necessitate that all outcomes are predictable, only that they are inevitable consequences of their causes. Knowing a particle's exact position and momentum might let you perfectly predict what it will do, but that doesn't mean that information is physically attainable.
10 months ago
Anonymous
What deterministic process would make information impossible to attain?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Well as I alluded to, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for one isn't incompatible with determinism.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>The Heisenberg uncertainty principle isn't incompatible with determinism
You continue to conflate "predictable" as in theoretically capable of being predicted with "predictable" in a practical human sense.
They are two different meanings.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You don't understand what the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is. That's fine, this is the internet, you can read about it.
>Logic
It's not logic, it's definition.
This is embarrassing.
>If a theoretical being that has perfect knowledge of everything can predict the future it is because it is deterministic. >[therefore] If it's deterministic then it is predictable.
Not logic I recognise, anyway.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't know what it is!
How ironic, because your interpretation of it is how midwits that don't understand the difference between particles and quantum waveforms think of it. "Uncertainty" is actually a bit of a misnomer, really.
Fricking hilarious
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm going to go get something to eat but I patiently await your point should you choose to make one.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for one isn't incompatible with determinism
That is a highly controversial statement to make and I assume you have significant mathematics to back it up.
When can we expect to see your nobel prize for a unified quantum theory?
10 months ago
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism >There is a way to escape the inference of superluminal speeds and spooky action at a distance. But it involves absolute determinism in the universe, the complete absence of free will. Suppose the world is super-deterministic, with not just inanimate nature running on behind-the-scenes clockwork, but with our behavior, including our belief that we are free to choose to do one experiment rather than another, absolutely predetermined, including the "decision" by the experimenter to carry out one set of measurements rather than another, the difficulty disappears. There is no need for a faster than light signal to tell particle A what measurement has been carried out on particle B, because the universe, including particle A, already "knows" what that measurement, and its outcome, will be.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Superdeterminism is a thing
That's nice dear, so is Bohm, doesn't get us anywhere.
The uncertainty principle makes no claim per se incompatible with determinism.
The vast majority of physicists would disagree with you unless you alter the definition of determinism or outright assume one of a few outsider theories that do so. In fact most objections to the uncertainty principle come from a desire to reconcile it with determinism.
This entire conversation has been unceasingly pseud.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It by definition does not conflict on any point, and no amount of throwing your hands in the air will make that otherwise. There are plenty of observations that serve perfectly well to discredit determinism, there is no need to make shit up or conflate them with the uncertainty principle.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Nuh uh!
I'm going to get something to eat but I patiently await your point should you chose to make one
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to prove a negative. If you want to have a boring ass conversation then put the boring ass work in and actually make an argument, or don't.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If you want a conversation make an argument
Unironically no u
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Heisenberg uncertainty doesn't conflict with determinism >There are plenty of observations...that discredit determinism
Go back to /x/
10 months ago
Anonymous
There's like a million Bell tests, dude.
10 months ago
Anonymous
And there are plenty of entanglement tests, too. Locality isn't a thing, but that has nothing to do with the definitions of determinism and anon's particular autism about predictable and deterministic being synonyms
Honestly I should have taken the hint and stopped replying when I saw someone bring up super-determinism because it means I'm talking to people who think Cinemaphile is a good place to learn quantum physics
Jesus christ this thread sucks
10 months ago
Anonymous
The uncertainty principle makes no claim per se incompatible with determinism.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Deterministic is not a synonym of predictable
Yes. Yes it is. >Something can be deterministic but not practically predictable due to constraints on individual knowledge
Except you're doing the exact thing I just said you were: conflating "predictable" as in theoretically so with "predictable" as in "this homie over here predicted it already"
If a theoretical being that has perfect knowledge of everything can predict the future it is because it is deterministic. If it's deterministic then it is predictable.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Except you're doing the exact thing I just said you were: conflating "predictable" as in theoretically so with "predictable" as in "this homie over here predicted it already"
I've done nothing of the sort, you're doing it on my behalf and welcome to stop. >X necessitates Y, therefore Y necessitates X.
Stellar logic. I have nothing to add.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Logic
It's not logic, it's definition.
This is embarrassing.
>the ether makes things nondeterministic
No it doesn't. The Ether has existed longer than human thought, but the Omega Device only started to mess up predictions after Kat fricked with the timeline to save Annie.
>Physics nerds arguing physics shit again
Here's some physics for you, my wiener in your mom's c**t so many odd years ago is the reason you're here to post such lame shit.
What is it with contentious morons and not understanding that words can have multiple definitions?
What is it with contentious morons and pointless asides that have nothing to do with the topic?
Whether predictable and determined mean the same thing (they do) is irrelevant to how Coyote could know this would happen you twats
>hmm it's 7:40 and there's still no thread
>submit
>duplicate file exists
What parody title did you plan on giving the thread?
I hope it was gunnershit piss.
Sorry, I overslept.
Fancard's gonna go up on pixiv in a minute.
wait, Annie is getting a horse?
I am still disappointed.
Of course you are, because you have dedicated your pathetic excuse of a life to constantly whining about Gunnerkrigg Court of all things.
I know right? What a hack I totally saw it coming
>Chapter 90
The comic absolutely ends at 113.
Heh.
I'd forgotten about 113. I don't think I've seen it in a while
Over five years. Tom must be really setting us up for a shocker with that one!
Idgi, why?
113 is a recurring number in Gunnerkrigg Court. It's based on Tom's light superstition or perhaps just curiosity at seeing the number a lot in his life.
Huh, guess I never paid it any mind. I'm sure it's been blatant before.
I love this motherfricker like you wouldn't believe.
Best troll ever.
He's still evil.
You say that like "evil" means anything or is something "wrong" to be.
Gods care not for the infantile warblings of what humans consider "good".
Sure, just saying he's not respectable or to be aspired to.
>he's not respectable or to be aspired to.
That's subjective
Any god that 'doesn't care' is getting sealed in a box until the end of days
>look at Ysengrin!
>I tricked him into getting what he wanted, it driving him mad and killing me, becoming a total butthole he hates, falling in love with a robot that turned into a human
>and then I burst out of his mouth
>I know everyone can appreciate my tremendous jape
What the FRICK is the end game of this comic anymore?
It really did feel like Loop was going to be the final boss, and now, frick I don't even know what we are building to. Even Homestuck was more narratively cohesive.
>Even Homestuck was more narratively cohesive.
Don't get ahead of yourself now.
At least it always had some kind of endgame/goal in mind.
This is more aimless than Paranatural.
>This is more aimless than Paranatural.
Don't get ahead of yourself now.
Kat's ascension and eventually a potential wedge between her and Annie, Forest and Court. At least that's been foreshadowed.
>Annie, Forest and Court.
If only
I MISS THEM SO MUCH, BROS!!!
Loup was just a swerve, antagonists were always the court.
Annie <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ember Lumen
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
AND JUST LIKE THAT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OR ARC
I LOVE PLUNGERSHITT SHART
what exactly is resolved here
The entire storyline.
Would you bother to explain in what way?
Why would you ask him a question that you know he can't and won't answer?
>homosexual repeat nonsense and think he's le smart
many such case
Drawing something with Tea right now.
Based Tea enjoyer, seriously underrated
Yeah, we don't really have much Tea.
Pic's up on pixiv.
Damn, this is some good shit imaa
It's hard to pose for fanart when you're trying to survive in a non-canon(?) post-apocalyptic hellscape.
It clearly isn't canon. The post apocalypse stuff is all just balenciaga photo shoot type stuff. The bonus pages are clearly the canon of Tea. Proof: Tom doesn't exist in the same universe as Tea.
I really REALLY hope Annie still cuts him with his own tooth.
Annie still, miraculously, lacks the awareness that Coyote is evil. He is a friend to her and she doesn't question that.
>Coyote is evil
Source?
>Source?
Everything he ever did
That just tells me he's neutral
>evil
I'm so tired of you moralgays. Wahhhh you can't just kill that baby, that's evil! Nooooo you can't just torture people for weeks, that's evil! Stop it stop it, you can't just set massive forests on fire for the express purpose of killing wildlife, that's MUH EVIL!
Bunch of no-fun party poopers.
The ultimate trollmaster.
How did Coyote know this would happen if the problem with the Omega device is that the ether makes things nondeterministic
Coyote is better than Omega. Duh.
It only makes things unpredictable, not nondeterministic. The Norns story (yeah, I know) shows that time travel can happen presumably through the ether, so you can potentially see the future with etheric powers.
>It only makes things unpredictable, not nondeterministic
Those two words mean the same thing
No they don’t. Our reality could be completely deterministic on a fundamental level but appear to be driven by randomness due to the uncertainty principle.
>No they don't
Yes, they do. Deterministic means able to be predicted.
>a deterministic universe can appear random due to the uncertainty principle
You're thinking of hidden variables, but either way the universe would still be predictable.
>Deterministic means able to be predicted.
Deterministic does not mean able to be predicted. A black box may be deterministic.
A black box is defined by a lack of knowledge
Whether something is or is not predictable has nothing to do with individual knowledge, that is whether or not person X can predict it.
This is a difference of semantics but it's an important one.
Relating back to the story Loup had a whole autistic spiel about how a world without ether is determined and unchanging and heavily implies free will (through etheric means). That means the ether makes the world non-deterministic.
Which means Coyote couldn't have known this would happen
It's a difference in semantics, but not the one you're talking about. Deterministic is not a synonym of predictable. A deterministic universe doesn't necessitate that all outcomes are predictable, only that they are inevitable consequences of their causes. Knowing a particle's exact position and momentum might let you perfectly predict what it will do, but that doesn't mean that information is physically attainable.
What deterministic process would make information impossible to attain?
Well as I alluded to, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for one isn't incompatible with determinism.
>The Heisenberg uncertainty principle isn't incompatible with determinism
You continue to conflate "predictable" as in theoretically capable of being predicted with "predictable" in a practical human sense.
They are two different meanings.
You don't understand what the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is. That's fine, this is the internet, you can read about it.
>If a theoretical being that has perfect knowledge of everything can predict the future it is because it is deterministic.
>[therefore] If it's deterministic then it is predictable.
Not logic I recognise, anyway.
>You don't know what it is!
How ironic, because your interpretation of it is how midwits that don't understand the difference between particles and quantum waveforms think of it. "Uncertainty" is actually a bit of a misnomer, really.
Fricking hilarious
I'm going to go get something to eat but I patiently await your point should you choose to make one.
>Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for one isn't incompatible with determinism
That is a highly controversial statement to make and I assume you have significant mathematics to back it up.
When can we expect to see your nobel prize for a unified quantum theory?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism
>There is a way to escape the inference of superluminal speeds and spooky action at a distance. But it involves absolute determinism in the universe, the complete absence of free will. Suppose the world is super-deterministic, with not just inanimate nature running on behind-the-scenes clockwork, but with our behavior, including our belief that we are free to choose to do one experiment rather than another, absolutely predetermined, including the "decision" by the experimenter to carry out one set of measurements rather than another, the difficulty disappears. There is no need for a faster than light signal to tell particle A what measurement has been carried out on particle B, because the universe, including particle A, already "knows" what that measurement, and its outcome, will be.
>Superdeterminism is a thing
That's nice dear, so is Bohm, doesn't get us anywhere.
The vast majority of physicists would disagree with you unless you alter the definition of determinism or outright assume one of a few outsider theories that do so. In fact most objections to the uncertainty principle come from a desire to reconcile it with determinism.
This entire conversation has been unceasingly pseud.
It by definition does not conflict on any point, and no amount of throwing your hands in the air will make that otherwise. There are plenty of observations that serve perfectly well to discredit determinism, there is no need to make shit up or conflate them with the uncertainty principle.
>Nuh uh!
I'm going to get something to eat but I patiently await your point should you chose to make one
I'm not going to prove a negative. If you want to have a boring ass conversation then put the boring ass work in and actually make an argument, or don't.
>If you want a conversation make an argument
Unironically no u
>Heisenberg uncertainty doesn't conflict with determinism
>There are plenty of observations...that discredit determinism
Go back to /x/
There's like a million Bell tests, dude.
And there are plenty of entanglement tests, too. Locality isn't a thing, but that has nothing to do with the definitions of determinism and anon's particular autism about predictable and deterministic being synonyms
Honestly I should have taken the hint and stopped replying when I saw someone bring up super-determinism because it means I'm talking to people who think Cinemaphile is a good place to learn quantum physics
Jesus christ this thread sucks
The uncertainty principle makes no claim per se incompatible with determinism.
>Deterministic is not a synonym of predictable
Yes. Yes it is.
>Something can be deterministic but not practically predictable due to constraints on individual knowledge
Except you're doing the exact thing I just said you were: conflating "predictable" as in theoretically so with "predictable" as in "this homie over here predicted it already"
If a theoretical being that has perfect knowledge of everything can predict the future it is because it is deterministic. If it's deterministic then it is predictable.
>Except you're doing the exact thing I just said you were: conflating "predictable" as in theoretically so with "predictable" as in "this homie over here predicted it already"
I've done nothing of the sort, you're doing it on my behalf and welcome to stop.
>X necessitates Y, therefore Y necessitates X.
Stellar logic. I have nothing to add.
>Logic
It's not logic, it's definition.
This is embarrassing.
Because Coyote is just a smart cookie with a devious streak a mile wide and twenty deep.
>the ether makes things nondeterministic
No it doesn't. The Ether has existed longer than human thought, but the Omega Device only started to mess up predictions after Kat fricked with the timeline to save Annie.
>Physics nerds arguing physics shit again
Here's some physics for you, my wiener in your mom's c**t so many odd years ago is the reason you're here to post such lame shit.
What is it with contentious morons and not understanding that words can have multiple definitions?
What is it with contentious morons and pointless asides that have nothing to do with the topic?
Whether predictable and determined mean the same thing (they do) is irrelevant to how Coyote could know this would happen you twats
How about we talk about Tea's massive knockers and her banging Coyote instead of physics?
Who is currently the sexiest gunnergirl, including Tea?
I am gonna stan Margo cuz she's hot and no one else likely will.
113 was the number of the bus Tom took to the work that he hated.
Poor Margo 🙁