>guy looks like hes evil and is literally named wormtongue
>"better make this creep my most trusted advisor"
>guy looks like hes evil and is literally named wormtongue
>guy looks like hes evil and is literally named wormtongue
>"better make this creep my most trusted advisor"
Maybe he cleaned up well for the interview
I can't believe Slimy Liarmouth was working for Sauron-Man. It was also a real shock to learn that Sauron-man was working for Sauron, the guy who lives in Doom Mountain in the land of Murder, and is, believe it or not, evil.
Shut up George
>mountain
It's a volcano. Bravo Tolk-Hack.
Well when you put it like that
Tolkien is a hack.
>le he made up his own languages!!!
Who gives a frick, literally everyone did that as a kid.
The Tolkien autists have arrived in this thread, fricking gays
have a nice day, troony israelite.
Why do people praise this schlock?
It was the Marvel Cinematic Universe of its day.
Except good.
He didn't look like this when he starded his job and the nickname came after it.
Brad Dourif is tallented. At some point I should watch everything he was in an lament not having made a story for him.
Some good Dourifs:
Exorcist 3
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Childs Play films
did you forget the part where he was literally brainwashed by saruman?
Doc Cochran was a good man
>the only densely populated land west of the Misty mountains? Never heard of it
>the 20,000 year old hyperbeing living in the same shack in the woods all this time, and us traveling the forests since the creation of Arda, and me being the greatest loremaster alive?
>I've barely heard rumors of him. Better ask the expert, Farmer Maggot
>anon wake up on a peaceful Sunday morning
>"better repost that shitty bait thread"
Nitpicking the plot points of a beloved seventy-years old fantasy series is completely normal and totally not autistic and neckbeardish.
I'm a big fan of Tolkien's and I like these threads. It's just an excuse to have a LOTR thread
>character wants to merely borrow the ring
>call him borrowmere
jesus christ tolkien
>Apologies master dwarf, you must wear a blindfold when passing through our realm.
>You see, 5000 years ago some dwarves totally unrelated to you murdered an elf king totally unrelated to us because he tried to israelite them out of payment for their work
>no, they didn't escape, they were slaughtered like animals. Now please, put the blindfold on
Qrd?
tldr - Elu Thingol was an elf king during the first age. He was a really smug prick. He asked a human hero to retrieve the greatest gem ever made to give up his daughter for marriage, thinking it would never happen. He did, and then Thingol wanted to put the gem in a legendary necklace, so he commissioned dwarves to make it. They did, but then they said their payment should be the necklace itself. He poetically called them Black folk and they killed him, tried to run away, but were hunted down
Based dwarves. Reminds me of the Viking lore where loki was to be beheaded by the dwarves when they crafexplanation on a bet with him and when they went to make good on the deal loki said something like "I only promised you my head not my neck" so they sewed his mouth shut or something.
Sorry not a great explaination.
Idk crafted something on a bet*
Jesus I can't type tonight
Strike the (idk) lol
That was how mjolnir got made.
Nice
Elves are truly c**ts did the dwarves try and start a war over it or something or did the elves just go straight ro murder for them insisting upon it?
Why are elves always chimping out over israeliteelry?
there were brief skirmishes but not an all out-war. But I agree, Tolkien elves are definitely arrogant and smug, especially pre-Third age. The ones we see in LOTR are mostly just chill and looking to leave soon, with a few exceptions like Thranduil and that racist butthole in Rivendell who said all mortals look alike to him
>he tried to israelite them out of payment for their work
wut
elu thingol commissioned the dwarves, and they ended up desiring the object themselves, and refused to hand over the completed work to him. they were clearly in the wrong.
>And standing tall and proud among them he bade them with shameful
words be gone unrequited out of Doriath
yes they were being gypsies for demanding Nauglamir only after their work was complete but he refused them any compensation, he treated them like jannies
And for that the dwarves resorted to murder. All out of desire for a shiny necklace.
No wage no intact ribcage. Simple as. Dwarves of Middle Earth rise up.
So refusing payment is unfair but murder is completely justified, got it.
Yes. Every dwarf is entitled to the sweat of his beard.
ok but how the frick is any of that on Gimli 6000 years later. Galadriel isn't even related to Thingol
She showed him her hairs it's all cool now.
You mean the guy who, as a representative of the dwarf race, sperged out and shouted "Never trust an elf"?
that doesn't happen in the book. It's just Gloin sperging out because the elves treated Gollum with more care than him and his dwarven brethren
Hackson being a hack as usual
That's not the reason tho'. Elves were salty because they thought that it was Dwarves' fault they woke up the Balrog (they did and it was), which was one of the reasons Lindon kingdom has fallen (the other one - more importan one - was war with Sauron over rings Celebrimor made, but oh well).
I meant Eregion (Hollin), not Lindon.
they wanted to blindfold Gimli long before they learned about the Balrog, and they don't mention that as the reason
>‘A dwarf!’ said Haldir. ‘That is not well. We have not had dealings with the Dwarves since the Dark Days. They are not permitted in our land. I cannot allow him to pass.’
I was talking about the book. The reason why Elves didn't trust Dwarves. They didn't know what exactly Dwarves awoken in Moria (a Balrog of Morgoth), but they knew it was some kind of evil being and blamed Dwarves for waking it up. They weren't salty because Dwarves killed Thingol for Nauglamir (those Dwarves weren't Durin's Folk).
PS. I fricked up with dates, Dwarves woke up Durin's Bane more than 2k years after Eregion's fall. In SE, after Eregion was destroyed, they shut Moria's gates tho'.
>I was talking about the book.
I was also talking about the book, which is why I quoted it. It's clear from what Haldir says that the elves have a general distrust of dwarves, but not once does Haldir mention Moria or the Balrog as the reason, and only talks about "the dark days" - i.e. most of the Second Age. In fact initially he doesn't even know where Gimli is from. You're right that Thingol isn't mentioned either (he's First age anyway) but other than his killing and the hunting of petty dwarves there is no other specific incident to trace this animosity to.
the funny thing is elves don't trust humans either
>Great was the triumph of Morgoth, and his design was accomplished in a manner after his own heart; for Men took the lives of Men, and betrayed the Eldar, and fear and hatred were aroused among those that should have been united against him. From that day the hearts of the Elves were estranged from Men, save only those of the Three Houses of the Edain.
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We know for a fact, that Eregion Elves (Noldorin) had cordial relations with Durin's Folk, that Galadriel was a fan of Dwarves etc.
And the reason why Lorien Elves didn't like Dwarves was implied by Legolas, when he was telling the story about Nimrodel.
The voice of Legolas faltered, and the song ceased. ‘I cannot sing any more,’ he said. ‘That is but a part, for I have
forgotten much. It is long and sad, for it tells how sorrow
came upon Lothlo´rien, Lo´rien of the Blossom, when the
Dwarves awakened evil in the mountains.’
‘But the Dwarves did not make the evil,’ said Gimli.
‘I said not so; yet evil came,’ answered Legolas sadly. ‘Then
many of the Elves of Nimrodel’s kindred left their dwellings
and departed, and she was lost far in the South, in the passes
of the White Mountains; and she came not to the ship where
Amroth her lover waited for her
Because, Eregion Elves (and Lothlorien Elves, since many fled to Loria after its fall, not to mention Galadriel and Celeborn ruled it for some time). It was an exception of the rule that Dwarves and Elves generally distrusted each other. Hell, this is why Elves (I think is was Celebrimbor himself) actually helped to build Moria's gates (the one destroyed when the Fellowship entered Moria).
Brad Dourif story
Reloads revolver. Good looking cult leader points it around his followers. Throws it to them, who take turns firing at him. He smiles laying down on the stage with blood leaking out the corner of his mouth.
Someone holds a microphone above him. The sound of his strained breath is repeated by the crowd. He sits up. Stands up. At a loss of what comes after a finalie. Exited from a story, free to make his own future.
Steps out into the crowd who part before him. They stay as he leaves, waiting for permission and acnowledgement.
At once they're gone. Into the night. He dances lazily around losing direction and runs. Trips, the darkness take it as their cue to send him flying. Hands under him propell him away from them. None trusting their greed to hold him long enough to feel him as real. He points. They oblidge.
the words grima and wormtongue did not have those connotations back then.
This is what he looked like when he interviewed for the position
>it's another episode of "autistic favela monkeys think the funny shitposting about Tolkien is serious critique, so they start to shit on Tolkien in a completely non-funny way in a desperate effort to fit in"
They keep airing that episode on an almost daily basis by now.
>Hmm a town for hobbits.... hobbitown!
Checked and this is unironically how most cities are named
He had a lettre from sauron though.
It's meant to be an honest story. There is no subtle israelite twist within a twist. That stuff doesn't stand the rest of time. Archetypes do. Honesty does. We know he's a twisted snake from his name alone. That is a good thing for the story. This isn't the gotcha people think it is.
It's sad to me that some people nowadays don't see that Tolkien was explicitly replicating old myths and epics, like the archetypes are extremely intentional and he put his own little twist on things to make them uniquely english.
I hate these fricking movies more and more with every new thread by some illiterate moron who thinks he's found a plot hole or other error in literature he will never touch, let alone understand.
His name was Grima. (iirc, it's an actual Old English name) He became the King's advisor and it was only after years of manipulating the King and his evil influence becoming obvious to the rest of the court that they BEGAN to refer to Grima as Wormtongue (behind his back, since he basically controlled the King at this point). We can infer (or not) that his ghoulish appearance is a reflection of his own growing corruption, or (more likely) simply a way to convey to mouth-breathing movie goers that he's a bad guy. It's been awhile since I read the books, but I don't recall Grima being described as particularly foul-looking. Greasy, maybe - used car salesman-type - but not corpse-like or gothy.
So yeah, there's today's old man yelling at clouds for ya. Read the books. Frick the movies. OP is an unmitigated homosexual. Cheers.