Had Walt Disney lived longer, would Disney be in a better position now? (Both Disney as a whole and Disney Animation)
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Had Walt Disney lived longer, would Disney be in a better position now? (Both Disney as a whole and Disney Animation)
He would have tanked the company decades ago trying to make the flordia park some moronic city state.
Epcot would have unironically been a huge success had Walt lived to manage it. If anything the vast majority of cities would probably try to copy it.
Company towns have been done before, and they're fricking failures.
The only difference between epcot and a defunct Appalachian coal company town is that walt wanted to make his workers into attractions themselves.
Sounds like a smart move.
>turning employees into amusement park attractions is good
Damn, you're stupid, but you probably have zero self-respect tho, so i can't entirely blame you.
I bet Walt's Epcot would have not been exclusive to only his employees and his employees would not be obligated to live there either. Libertarians let people choose where to live.
>Company towns have been done before, and they're fricking failures.
Just like how theme parks had been done before and they were almost all fricking failures. The reason why company-run communities didn't and don't work is because they were or would be run by people who are 100% shameless in their pursuit of profits. Contrary to popular belief, Walt at least had a LITTLE bit of desire for the happiness and well-being of humans. He definitely could have made Epcot work.
>MY psychotic totalitarian corporate master obsessed with control is the GOOD one
>>MY psychotic totalitarian corporate master obsessed with control is the GOOD one
Said you, and only you.
Walt Disney nearly broke up his company's union and put a big fat boot on all his workers rights and Strikes. Get out of here with that "Benevolent megacorp" bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_animators%27_strike
>The SCG and Sorrell started meeting on a regular basis at the Hollywood Hotel from the start of 1941 to hear Disney workers' grievances and plan a unionization effort.[5] Many animators, including Art Babbitt, grew dissatisfied and joined the SCG. Babbitt was one of Disney's best-paid animators, though he was sympathetic to low-ranking employees and openly disliked Disney.[4] Babbitt had previously been a senior official in the Disney company union, the Federation of Screen Cartoonists, but had become frustrated due to being unable to effect change in that position.[5] Disney saw no problem with the structure, believing it was his studio to run and that his employees should be grateful to him for providing the new studio space.[4]
>Sorrell, along with Babbitt and Bill Littlejohn,[6] approached Disney and demanded he unionize his studio,[1] but Disney refused. In February 1941, Disney gathered all 1,200 employees in his auditorium for a speech:
>In the 20 years I've spent in this business I've weathered many storms. It's been far from easy sailing. It required a great deal of work, struggle, determination, competence, faith, and above all unselfishness. Some people think we have a class distinction in the place. They wonder why some people get better seats in the theatre than others. They wonder why some men get spaces in the parking lot and others don't. I have always felt, and always will feel that the men that contribute most to the organization should, out of respect alone, enjoy some privileges. My first recommendation to the lot of you is this; put your own house in order, you can't accomplish a damn thing by sitting around and waiting to be told everything. If you're not progressing as you should, instead of grumbling and growling, do something about it.[4]
Walt was a fricking dick and a huge slimy psychopath.
Herb Sorrel and the CSU thanks you for regurgitating commie propaganda
He would've finished EPCOT and the US would be a libertarian trad utopia
>He would've finished EPCOT and the US would be a libertarian trad utopia
What?
Required viewing, I doubt this would have worked at all but I would have liked to see some aspects of that proposed city plan get tested out properly.
This also doesn’t cover how Walt had his workers on an IOU for animating Snow White and Pinocchio and reneging on his promises to pay them well when Pinocchio didn’t earn cash like Snow White did. If anything his employees were incredibly patient and Walt postponed giving them what he promised while stacking more projects on them and getting himself and his family nicer and nicer shit.
I hate to say it, but I think the company was already semi-zombified by the 1950s and 60s. I know this is vaguely considered an extreme opinion, but I think there is some truth to it. Disney was not majorly involved in the movies from this era, and by some accounts he was apparently not happy with all the movies from this period either. They do contain many merits, but I would say that the quality and ambition of the older works is greater by median. But if the question is "would things be better if Disney had lived another 10 or 20 years?", then I cannot really say. This sort of question is more speculative than anything else. Maybe? I have no idea if Disney ever intended to have a greater emphasis on making movies again. Most people assume that at the end of his life he mostly wanted to do theme parks, but I don't actually know if that's true, or not. But I do lament the fact that the movies sank as time went on. I also lament the fact that Disney didn't make a bigger effort to cover TV in a bigger and better way.
I doubt it. Disney was freaking out about how he was an old man that would probably die soon (he knew he had lung problems probably for years even if he hid them well) and his legacy would be cartoons and a theme park. That's why he was so obsessed with Epcot because he wanted to make his futuristic mark on the world like all the sciency people he admired.
Granted if his health was better, maybe he wouldn't have worried about that kind of stuff in the first place.
He looks more like a door to door salesman than an animator.
Good
Modern animators look like Twitter freaks and geeks.
Says who?
Says one look at them?
He basically was. He stopped animating things himself very early on once the company started being big and he became "the boss" and the guy who pitched things and got investors.
I shit you not, Don Bluth looks super similar.
He looks more like a TV presenter.
>He looks more like a door to door salesman than an animator.
This reminds me of Stan Lee and he did everything to sell those shitty comic books.
>Picrel very much related
Not really. He probably would have lived another decade tops and probably would have had to focus less on Epcot in favor of getting the actual land and initial park set up like Roy eventually had to in his place. And by then it probably would have been too late.
Did you ever watch the cartoons Disney himself made? Boring drivel where no conflict happens ever. He should've stuck to park stuff only.
Steamboat Willie is good.
the 4 greatest people to ever live are Bob Kane, Stan Lee, Gene Roddenberry and Walt Disney and no amount of seething, butthurt or jealousy can refute that.