Denis is not some visionary who will be remembered like Nolan or even Inaritu, he's a slop director. He's a fricking npc choice. He's not unique or special in any way. He offers nothing that's uniquely his.
Nolan is not even in the same conversation hahahaha
the joke is that if he's actually like them, those film will leave a similar artistic imprint to his filmography.
its like if David Cohen (MCU director) said that his favorite film is La Dolce Vita but he's making a thor film and several other capeslop film that is not reflecting La Dolce Vita at all
Denis is not some visionary who will be remembered like Nolan or even Inaritu, he's a slop director. He's a fricking NPC choice. He's not unique or special in any way. He offers nothing that's uniquely his.
the problem there is that it seems like he picked a single well-known non-sci-fi art house film because he realized the rest of the films made him look entry-level.
These are all great movies. I guess it's kinda funny that his output is so much lower than his influences if that's what you were getting at but I've seen much worse filmmakers quoting very good films as their favourites and you wonder if they ever even actually watched them.
After playing P3R after playing FES and P3P I say with confidence that P3R continues the trend of being the best version of a game where none of them are the best version of the game.
>all the super obscure shit
Wouldn't someone like you class Persona as "super obscure shit" as well? Oh, wait, you probably think he means the anime based on that video game series, don't you?
>3 highly acclaimed films >plus Blade Runner for le quirky "individual taste"
Gotta give it to him, he knows how to shitpost efficiently. Most bait on this board isn't half as good.
I'm from Santa Cruz and the only thing anyone in that communist shithole can think of to define the city is that they shot like one scene from a Dirty Harry movie and The Lost Boys there. Fricking disgraceful, ever since they built UCSC the town has gone to shit.
there will never be an answer to this. The current zeitgeist is just to shit on everything and hate everything. There is nothing these people have answers for this question, they just live in agony
>literally made the sequel
That was a betrayal of anything the original stood for, yes.
To be fair, you can say the same about his Dune adaptation, and I think he claims that those are his favourite books. Maybe he does indeed like these things and just happens to be too autistic to get them.
Blade Runner is an adaptation of Do Androids Dream, and 2049 hits on a lot of the themes in that book and the others found in PKD's works. What the frick are you talking about?
>2049 hits on a lot of the themes in that book and the others found in PKD's works
you have never read a single pkd book
the only theme 2049 hits is the exacts same thing the original blade runner movie already explored, the metaphysics of what constitutes a human in technically advanced society, and did not only do it better, but left no room for sequel to do the same >WOT IF THEY CAN GET PREGGO
the banality of this idea after the og blade runner movie and the book is fricking cringy its unreal
Most of his books were based off Gnosticism, and you can clearly tell where it plays into 2049 of you know anything about it.
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>inb4 this anon refuses to elaborate or says something extremely vague and handwavy to make it seem like this is a substantial claim but hes being mysterious about it and not utter horseshit
go on im waiting, im sure you have very clear and concise case you want to make here
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Wallace is clearly based on Yaldaboath. He's blind because Yaldy is referred to as the blind God. He constantly talks about heaven and refers to his creations as angels.
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Gnosticism is a near-eastern religion broadly considered to be an offshoot of Christianity. Its names derives from the Greek Gnosis (where the word "know" comes from) that means knowledge or understanding.
The Gnostic worldview is something most people are aware of even if they don't know it by name, which is that physical reality is a cruel illusion created by a sort of demon of chaos called Yaldaboath, who is the "God" of the material world, and created it to harvest suffering from other souls for his own pleasure and sustenance. Ergo, all attempts to find happiness in the physical world are a trap to try and lure the unsuspecting into engaging with the illusion instead of rejecting it. Only those who possess the Gnosis--the secret knowledge of the cosmos offered by the Christ-Figure--can escape from this illusion and find a spiritual escape from the hell-world.
Now, this is important. Gnosticism distinguishes between two types of people, Pneumtics and Hylics. A Pneumatic is someone who possesses a genuine soul that is capable of achieving the Gnosis, whereas a Hylic is a purely physical creature who lacks the capacity for spiritual growth. These are essentially fake people, created as part of the illusion by Yaldaboath, they possess no soul, and because they cannot achieve the Gnosis this cannot change.
If you're getting "NPC" vibes from it that is because Gnosticism invented the NPC meme 2000 years ago, it's an integral part of the soteriology of the religion. Blade Runner is essentially an examination of how these distinctions manifest. Roy Batty is a designated Hylic, a literal artificial person, and yet at the end of the story he discovers the answer this question, and immediately dies. He achieves the gnosis in symbolic sacrifice, and in so doing he gives Deckard the implied key to his own salvation--he gifts the Gnosis to a fellow Pneumatic, or so he THINKS. In fact, Deckard does not understand because he is a Hylic.
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Gnosticism is basically just repackaged Christianity. It's superfluous drivel.
Yaldaboath (or "the demiurge") is essentially the same as Satan, minus the part about creating the world. As for the Pneumatics/Hylics nonsense, I suppose the Christian analogue would be "the saved" vs. the lowest sinners.
Btw your description of hylics is a bit distorted. They're not exactly "fake people". Hylic/psychic/pneumatic = different levels of consciousness.
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>he gifts the Gnosis to a fellow Pneumatic, or so he THINKS. In fact, Deckard does not understand because he is a Hylic.
Ooh, that's rough. No wonder Blade Runner feels like a shaggy dog story.
Thanks for the insight, Anon. I didn't realize p-zombies were such an old concept.
>the only theme 2049 hits is the exacts same thing the original blade runner movie already explored, the metaphysics of what constitutes a human in technically advanced society,
you're implying here that blade runner fully explored it which is moronic. no, the problem with 2049 is that is blurs the lines further but then doesnt know what to do with that
it's still an interesting movie
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>it's still an interesting movie
The only interesting things about it were whether Harrison Ford would give enough of a frick to not just phone it in (he didn't any more than usual) and how well Deakin's clean and open and orderly style of cinematography would mesh with Blade Runner's dirty neon-noir visuals that relied on narrow and crampy spaces (surprisingly well, if we ignore the terrible set desgin choices).
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no that's not all that is interesting about it. the world of blade runner is a strange and alien world and it's interesting to just watch a blade runner navigate this place. that was and remains the appeal of the original movie as well which addresses a theme but has nothing particularly deep to say except >artificial people are people too
I'll give him credit, he's honest about his favorite films. I've seen enough of these hack directors mentioning obscure artfilms that don't even reflect their body of work.
I don't get people that say Apocalypse Now is one of their "favorite" films. It's absolutely a marvel from a filmmamking and technical perspective, but as a watching experience, it's so unrelentingly oppressive and draining. It leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
>It's absolutely a marvel from a filmmamking and technical perspective, but as a watching experience, it's so unrelentingly oppressive and draining. It leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
That's a better response than what most "artfilms" evoke in you.
I get why people say that Apocalypse Now is one of their favorite films. It's absolutely a marvel from a filmmamking and technical perspective, and as a watching experience, it's so unrelentingly oppressive and draining. It leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
Midwits are so desperate to appear intelligent by talking about obscure foreign language films when in reality, if you manage to watch rescans of films like apocalypse now, blade runner and 2001 in the cinemq/ imax you realise how stunning they are/were. I’ve seen each of these films in imax and they’re absolutely stunning.
>in the cinemq/ imax you realise how stunning they are/were
Ah, yes, the good old American "it's all about size, big screen good!" argument.
Guess what: If you watch a Resnais or Herzog or Kurosawa in a cinema, you also get that "stunning" size. But unlike most American slop, their films still work on a smaller screen because they have things going for them that aren't relying on being huge to impress.
Granted, 2001 also falls into that category.
>Guess what: If you watch a Resnais or Herzog or Kurosawa in a cinema,
Resnais is slop. Kurosawa's films get the same contrarian treatment as Apocalypse now and Blade Runner. The fact is "the more obscure, the better" crowd are a cancer to film discussions and cinema itself. Herzog called Godard "intellect counterfeit money" and he'll spit on most of your sharthouse favourites and will champion plenty of mainstream american films over them.
apocalypse now is one of the goats. ive seen that film like 6 times and it's always a blast.
2001 and blade runner are ok too. i liked his sequel for the latter better.
never seen persona but it looks pretentious as frick.
those are pretty good movies. What’s the problem ? At least it’s nothing “try hard” or some pure slop
>Guess what: If you watch a Resnais or Herzog or Kurosawa in a cinema,
Resnais is slop. Kurosawa's films get the same contrarian treatment as Apocalypse now and Blade Runner. The fact is "the more obscure, the better" crowd are a cancer to film discussions and cinema itself. Herzog called Godard "intellect counterfeit money" and he'll spit on most of your sharthouse favourites and will champion plenty of mainstream american films over them.
Midwits are so desperate to appear intelligent by talking about obscure foreign language films when in reality, if you manage to watch rescans of films like apocalypse now, blade runner and 2001 in the cinemq/ imax you realise how stunning they are/were. I’ve seen each of these films in imax and they’re absolutely stunning.
Thank god there are people who aren't brainrot morons left who don't need to be contrarian homosexuals about everything
>pretending
Kinda telling that you cannot fathom that people actually like certain styles of film that don't align with your low-effort big-budget Hollywood trash.
He's a clinical autist. One of the low-functioning kind.
He doesn't understand human emotion.
If you look at the four films in OP, you can tell that he likes them all for the wrong reasons.
His chosen self-insert character in 2001 is probably the obelisk.
All great films, shame he never made anything close to them though.
Denis' blade runner is better than the original
Frick no. Eat shit.
Not even a controversial opinion
Nolan is not even in the same conversation hahahaha
You proposed no question. Idiotic statements need no thought out reply & besides... I in the middle of bangin' yur mom.
Filtered midwits
>t. unironically likes DUNC
>incendies
>prisoners
>sicario
>arrival
>blade runner 2049
This mogs any other modern director
Kek. Good work, anon. I can't even tell whether you're a parody or the real thing at this point!
Villeneuve drones are worse than Snydergays.
lmao
What's the joke?
the joke is that if he's actually like them, those film will leave a similar artistic imprint to his filmography.
its like if David Cohen (MCU director) said that his favorite film is La Dolce Vita but he's making a thor film and several other capeslop film that is not reflecting La Dolce Vita at all
Denis is not some visionary who will be remembered like Nolan or even Inaritu, he's a slop director. He's a fricking NPC choice. He's not unique or special in any way. He offers nothing that's uniquely his.
>some visionary
>like Nolan
Kek.
Nolan is very much a visionary. You're out of touch with Nolan contrarianism.
I agree. But, he certainly will be remembered
>Nolan
It's genuinely the most "I am 18 years old" sounding list of favorite films of all-time.
well, not Persona so much.
the problem there is that it seems like he picked a single well-known non-sci-fi art house film because he realized the rest of the films made him look entry-level.
Persona 4 or 3?
5 like the scholar he is
3
The best one 2
3 FES
These are all great movies. I guess it's kinda funny that his output is so much lower than his influences if that's what you were getting at but I've seen much worse filmmakers quoting very good films as their favourites and you wonder if they ever even actually watched them.
>purse owner
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>yep
>yep
>never seen it
>yep
he's a frog
give him a break
After playing P3R after playing FES and P3P I say with confidence that P3R continues the trend of being the best version of a game where none of them are the best version of the game.
Reload needed a female protagonist to make up for the fact it's just the Persona 5 version of Persona 3.
I'm sure he's seen all the super obscure shit you've seen, op. And trust me, 99% of those films aren't as good.
>all the super obscure shit
Wouldn't someone like you class Persona as "super obscure shit" as well? Oh, wait, you probably think he means the anime based on that video game series, don't you?
Persona is usually included in all-time top 50 lists, if not top 10. It's hardly obscure.
>It's hardly obscure.
You don't need to tell me. You need to tell people who think everything that isn't complete mainstream is "super obsucre shit".
While his list of films isn't very unique, it makes a lot more sense than, say... Sátántangó, Daisies, Fruit of Paradise, The Great Sadness of Zohara
>it makes a lot more sense
Hence why Villeneuve's list is a great shitpost. It's not too tryhard, but tryhard enough to get responses.
>3 highly acclaimed films
>plus Blade Runner for le quirky "individual taste"
Gotta give it to him, he knows how to shitpost efficiently. Most bait on this board isn't half as good.
What are your top 4 oh great quads poster?
Shrek
Shrek 2
Shrek 3
Shrek 4
>Shrek 3
>Shrek 4
I believe they're called "Shrek the Third" and "Shrek Forever After" you fricking poser.
>Shrek
>2 Shrek 2 Furious
>Shr3k
>Shrek Tokyo Drift
>Shrek Five
>Shrek 6
>Shrek 7
>S8
>S9
>Shrek X
>Shrek X
>not 'ShreX'
>not 'ShreX'
Indeed. Just like it's "Fast X", not "FaX". Massive missed opportunity.
>What are your top 4 oh great quads poster?
Citizen Kane, Vertigo, Stalker and ... The Lost Boys, of course.
I'm from Santa Cruz and the only thing anyone in that communist shithole can think of to define the city is that they shot like one scene from a Dirty Harry movie and The Lost Boys there. Fricking disgraceful, ever since they built UCSC the town has gone to shit.
there will never be an answer to this. The current zeitgeist is just to shit on everything and hate everything. There is nothing these people have answers for this question, they just live in agony
>these people
Ah, right. Are "these people" in this thread with us, anon?
you sound like you frick dogs
>>plus Blade Runner for le quirky "individual taste"
he literally made the sequel you mongloid
>literally made the sequel
That was a betrayal of anything the original stood for, yes.
To be fair, you can say the same about his Dune adaptation, and I think he claims that those are his favourite books. Maybe he does indeed like these things and just happens to be too autistic to get them.
Tell us what Blade Runner and Dune stand for.
This homie asking for a 2 hour long video essay about literally me culture
>Tell us what [...] Dune stand for.
No.
Also a good one:
Blade Runner is an adaptation of Do Androids Dream, and 2049 hits on a lot of the themes in that book and the others found in PKD's works. What the frick are you talking about?
/tv/tards can only achieve sexual release when they post dumb edgy contrarian views
The dumbest the post the harder they cum
Vileneuf bootlicker detected.
He clearly just hates the guy and will say any dumb shit to make him look bad.
>2049 hits on a lot of the themes in that book and the others found in PKD's works
you have never read a single pkd book
the only theme 2049 hits is the exacts same thing the original blade runner movie already explored, the metaphysics of what constitutes a human in technically advanced society, and did not only do it better, but left no room for sequel to do the same
>WOT IF THEY CAN GET PREGGO
the banality of this idea after the og blade runner movie and the book is fricking cringy its unreal
Most of his books were based off Gnosticism, and you can clearly tell where it plays into 2049 of you know anything about it.
>inb4 this anon refuses to elaborate or says something extremely vague and handwavy to make it seem like this is a substantial claim but hes being mysterious about it and not utter horseshit
go on im waiting, im sure you have very clear and concise case you want to make here
Wallace is clearly based on Yaldaboath. He's blind because Yaldy is referred to as the blind God. He constantly talks about heaven and refers to his creations as angels.
Gnosticism is a near-eastern religion broadly considered to be an offshoot of Christianity. Its names derives from the Greek Gnosis (where the word "know" comes from) that means knowledge or understanding.
The Gnostic worldview is something most people are aware of even if they don't know it by name, which is that physical reality is a cruel illusion created by a sort of demon of chaos called Yaldaboath, who is the "God" of the material world, and created it to harvest suffering from other souls for his own pleasure and sustenance. Ergo, all attempts to find happiness in the physical world are a trap to try and lure the unsuspecting into engaging with the illusion instead of rejecting it. Only those who possess the Gnosis--the secret knowledge of the cosmos offered by the Christ-Figure--can escape from this illusion and find a spiritual escape from the hell-world.
Now, this is important. Gnosticism distinguishes between two types of people, Pneumtics and Hylics. A Pneumatic is someone who possesses a genuine soul that is capable of achieving the Gnosis, whereas a Hylic is a purely physical creature who lacks the capacity for spiritual growth. These are essentially fake people, created as part of the illusion by Yaldaboath, they possess no soul, and because they cannot achieve the Gnosis this cannot change.
If you're getting "NPC" vibes from it that is because Gnosticism invented the NPC meme 2000 years ago, it's an integral part of the soteriology of the religion. Blade Runner is essentially an examination of how these distinctions manifest. Roy Batty is a designated Hylic, a literal artificial person, and yet at the end of the story he discovers the answer this question, and immediately dies. He achieves the gnosis in symbolic sacrifice, and in so doing he gives Deckard the implied key to his own salvation--he gifts the Gnosis to a fellow Pneumatic, or so he THINKS. In fact, Deckard does not understand because he is a Hylic.
Gnosticism is basically just repackaged Christianity. It's superfluous drivel.
Yaldaboath (or "the demiurge") is essentially the same as Satan, minus the part about creating the world. As for the Pneumatics/Hylics nonsense, I suppose the Christian analogue would be "the saved" vs. the lowest sinners.
Btw your description of hylics is a bit distorted. They're not exactly "fake people". Hylic/psychic/pneumatic = different levels of consciousness.
>he gifts the Gnosis to a fellow Pneumatic, or so he THINKS. In fact, Deckard does not understand because he is a Hylic.
Ooh, that's rough. No wonder Blade Runner feels like a shaggy dog story.
Thanks for the insight, Anon. I didn't realize p-zombies were such an old concept.
>the only theme 2049 hits is the exacts same thing the original blade runner movie already explored, the metaphysics of what constitutes a human in technically advanced society,
you're implying here that blade runner fully explored it which is moronic. no, the problem with 2049 is that is blurs the lines further but then doesnt know what to do with that
it's still an interesting movie
>it's still an interesting movie
The only interesting things about it were whether Harrison Ford would give enough of a frick to not just phone it in (he didn't any more than usual) and how well Deakin's clean and open and orderly style of cinematography would mesh with Blade Runner's dirty neon-noir visuals that relied on narrow and crampy spaces (surprisingly well, if we ignore the terrible set desgin choices).
no that's not all that is interesting about it. the world of blade runner is a strange and alien world and it's interesting to just watch a blade runner navigate this place. that was and remains the appeal of the original movie as well which addresses a theme but has nothing particularly deep to say except
>artificial people are people too
I'm going to pray for you anon
Boring NPC taste. WTF is wrong with people. Always the same generic cinephile picks. Only thing that’s missing is a Lynch movie
You're right. If he replaced 2001 with Star Wars (1977) his taste would be kino
ITT: Midwits pretending this isn't a completely acceptable list.
They want slop like Weerasathakul or Jonathan Glazer in the list.
Don't forget Tarkovsky. Spirituality for midwits.
My top 4:
>Fellowship of the Ring
>The Two Towers
>Return of the King
>Lord of the Rings Extended Edition™
Persona is only in anyone's favorite movie list because of Alma's beach story scene
>not Shin Megami Tensei
Fricking frog zoomer
I'll give him credit, he's honest about his favorite films. I've seen enough of these hack directors mentioning obscure artfilms that don't even reflect their body of work.
I don't get people that say Apocalypse Now is one of their "favorite" films. It's absolutely a marvel from a filmmamking and technical perspective, but as a watching experience, it's so unrelentingly oppressive and draining. It leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
>It's absolutely a marvel from a filmmamking and technical perspective, but as a watching experience, it's so unrelentingly oppressive and draining. It leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
That's a better response than what most "artfilms" evoke in you.
Apocalypse now is Heart of Darkness/Alice in Wonderland in Vietnam. It's not that deep but it's not fricking marvelshit
I watch it a few times a year. Not everyone wants their film watching experiences to be passive and unmoving.
is that supposed to be a bad thing?
I get why people say that Apocalypse Now is one of their favorite films. It's absolutely a marvel from a filmmamking and technical perspective, and as a watching experience, it's so unrelentingly oppressive and draining. It leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
any prisoners fans on here
If he was sitting next to me I would give him a deadleg for his shit movie choices.
post list
>persona
what a weeb
First 3 belong in the all-time top 10, Blade Runner in the top 20.
Blade Runner 2049 fans once again prove they're dopes.
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Dynomite
apoc now is such an overrated piece of shit
No, it is actually a great film. Sorry to break it to you, brainlet brownboi pseud
if there isnt either a martial arts/western/samurai movie in your top 5, youre a women or söyslop """male""""
Does Jackie Chan count?
That's not a bad list
Midwits are so desperate to appear intelligent by talking about obscure foreign language films when in reality, if you manage to watch rescans of films like apocalypse now, blade runner and 2001 in the cinemq/ imax you realise how stunning they are/were. I’ve seen each of these films in imax and they’re absolutely stunning.
>in the cinemq/ imax you realise how stunning they are/were
Ah, yes, the good old American "it's all about size, big screen good!" argument.
Guess what: If you watch a Resnais or Herzog or Kurosawa in a cinema, you also get that "stunning" size. But unlike most American slop, their films still work on a smaller screen because they have things going for them that aren't relying on being huge to impress.
Granted, 2001 also falls into that category.
>Guess what: If you watch a Resnais or Herzog or Kurosawa in a cinema,
Resnais is slop. Kurosawa's films get the same contrarian treatment as Apocalypse now and Blade Runner. The fact is "the more obscure, the better" crowd are a cancer to film discussions and cinema itself. Herzog called Godard "intellect counterfeit money" and he'll spit on most of your sharthouse favourites and will champion plenty of mainstream american films over them.
You have no idea what you're even talking about, capeshitter.
Blade Runner's pacing isn't great
those are pretty good movies. What’s the problem ? At least it’s nothing “try hard” or some pure slop
apocalypse now is one of the goats. ive seen that film like 6 times and it's always a blast.
2001 and blade runner are ok too. i liked his sequel for the latter better.
never seen persona but it looks pretentious as frick.
>i liked his sequel for the latter better.
Kek.
>NOOOOO! Why isn't he pretending to like French New-wave like a real film buff like me??
Thank god there are people who aren't brainrot morons left who don't need to be contrarian homosexuals about everything
>pretending
Kinda telling that you cannot fathom that people actually like certain styles of film that don't align with your low-effort big-budget Hollywood trash.
He really is sovlless
He's a clinical autist. One of the low-functioning kind.
He doesn't understand human emotion.
If you look at the four films in OP, you can tell that he likes them all for the wrong reasons.
His chosen self-insert character in 2001 is probably the obelisk.
Oh it shows denis. So many shots in flicks like arrival and dune are budget hack versions of 2001 and apocalypse now.