The problem is from 5 onward the magic world looks like some dark and joyless dystopia with a green/grey filter applied to it. And everyone dressing like normalgays who shop at the Gap doesn't help either, though that started back in 3.
almost everything ever is an adaptation in some way. even all the way down to history books. you may as well move to the mission at La Chorrera in the Amazon Rainforest if you want the bare source of originality
I just mean that considering how badly adaptations tend to frick up what they take or what they're supposed to take from the source material It's pretty good that Harry Potter managed to get away pretty unscathed without it being hatcheted to pieces
Yeah I'm sorry but you only get that leeway to a degree. If your shit is so dramatically different or insanely off base from the source material you better have a good reason for doing it and most of them do not. I can watch any iteration of Batman but if it wasn't anything really reminiscent of Batman besides name only then that's an issue.
an issue according to spiteful people like you? no problem then. easily discarded opinion
11 months ago
Anonymous
sure moron. enjoy all the derivative shit that doesn't do anything or have anything in common with the source material besides name only. I bet you really liked Velma too. Also spiteful? lol kys.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Velma
skipped it >Spiteful
proven within your response
11 months ago
Anonymous
homie we're on Cinemaphile, who gives a frick if I'm spiteful? You're still moronic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cinemaphile is not an ideology, it is a website. Anon...
I mean it's no Lord of the rings but I think the films themselves managed to the generally the mostly faithful to the books without any serious serious butchering I mean especially in regards to other adaptations.
it's my favourite.. unironically love ALL CAPS potter constantly losing his shit and the whole rebellion
nothing in the later books excited me as much as harry getting lured into the trap and the department of mysteries segment
but it is incredibly uncomfy, i'm always relieved to reach the 6th where he isn't a pariah anymore + values his oddball friends more
Yeah Order of the Phoenix was a mistake and it’s obvious that JK thought so too as she dialled it way back on the last two books and made them much shorter and more concise. Book 5 has so much filler and Harry being a moping teenager it’s fricking awful.
Phoenix would be fine if it wasnt 50% Harry going around screaming >YOU ARE SO SCHTEWPID, VOLDEMORT IS BACK, YOU HAVE TO TRUSHT ME
with every adult telling him to stfu. Is he meant to be 70 IQ? No real teen is that angsty and impulsive and moronic
This Order of Phoenix is so shitty. What was Rowling thinking with this?
Order of the Pheonix, especially as a kid, was the shittest book but only up until the chapter after 'Hagrids Tale'.
I have no idea why, anything up to and including that chapter bored me to tears. I actually skipped the 5th book at that point due to this, and went straight to the 6th - which was always my favourite as it had detailed ins and outs about school life.
Later in life I went back to the second half of the 5th book and its on par with the 6th. The first half is a real fricking drag though. However these are kids books and I'm quite sure as an adult I could read all of harry potter in a couple of days...
The first major plot in the book is harry being formally expelled from Hogwarts & getting grilled by the Ministry for using the patronus charm to stop umbridges dementors from killing dudley & him during his summer break
in the film. in the book the b***hing in the order takes up a much larger chunk
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yep. I'm currently reading it. 9 full chapters of non stop b***hing and nothing really happens. You could start out at Hogwarts barely changing anything. >BUT MUH HECKIN' LE EPIC MINISTRY PART
We're going back to the status quo directly after that and these characters talk more like toons seething and coping to expell Harry and no one in the room but Dumbledore questions this.
They do but they don't dedicate enough time to them, I feel. Nevile never lets everyone know he can see them in the movie either... Not enough building the mysticism around them, like they did in the book.
They were especially important to the ending when they had to go to the ministry and Hagrids storyline but they pretty much forgot about Hagrid in the movies
They still fly to the ministry, but there's no dialogue about everyone but harry, luna and nevile being all "this is BIZARRE". 'cuz they're riding on nothing. It's all done very quickly...
Ron/Hermione always felt to me like "Harry/Hermione is obvious and Ron/Hermione feels wrong and isn't obvious so that!"
Basically expectations subverted
I never felt any chemistry between those two characters ever, in the book or in the movies Also Harry should have gotten with Luna
There are extensions that allow you to convert webp images, when you save them.
What's with all these webp images lately? I feel like 3 years ago there was practically no such thing, now I can hardly attempt to download an image without at least one being a webp first.
Do women actually get self conscious when you examine their butthole? Like not just a casual look, but spreading them open with both hands and getting to know the folds and creases of their anus and committing everything to memory.
My girlfriend, and many girls apparently, are appalled at the thought that men know what their anuses look like. She really didn't realize that I see her butthole every time I frick her from behind. Women are not the most self-aware creatures out there.
she's clearly not self aware if she's too moronic to realize her butthole is right next to her pussy and therefore visible if you frick her from behind
>aside from Prisoner of Azkaban
i think its the best in the series too, but cuaron kind of shit the bed in his direction of the film by making it considerably darker & grimer than it should have been; based on my rereading of the series three years ago for the first time since i was a kid, imo the first 3.5 parts of HP are supposed to be mostly comfy, self-contained, lighthearted adventure mysteries, & the latter 3.5 parts are meant to challenge/subvert the first half by introducing vastly darker, heavier themes & elements. cuaron made a great movie, but he fricked up the thematic & atmospheric progression of the series by making POA as moody & dark as it is.
that also makes sense. they've been there for like 3 years at that point and they're turning into teenagers It's only normal for them to socially rebel with their clothing. at least that's how I interpret it
I don't see why the "muggle clothes" are a problem. It's not like it was always on and they're only ever worn in the evenings when school is over. The first films always had them in sweaters or other random shit.
Why would Harry "rebel" by wearing basic ass muggle clothes? He hated living in the muggle world and becoming a wizard was the best thing that ever happened to him. He even liked the tacky sweaters from Ron's mom.
They just wanted to make the movies look more generic like other YA popular at the time like Twilight.
I'm not saying it's like a intentional malicious means of rebellion or that he's actually going out of his way to rebel against the school uniform rules. what I'm saying is that they've been there for a couple of years once you get comfortable especially since their teenagers they're not going to be tightening their tie extra tight or tucking in their shirts all the time. It's only natural that they start to get lax with it or get so used to the laid-back nature of the school that they wear their normal clothes more times than usual. It was in a behind the scenes clip I saw a couple years ago but Alfonso was talking about how the disheveled clothing is supposed to kind of reflect their maturity. turning into teenagers finding their own style etc
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Anonymous
I just think they should dress more "wizard" like. Maybe they could individualize by decorating their hats or getting unique scarves or something along those lines. Not looking like regular kids hanging around at the mall in jeans and hoodies. Even the "dress robes" in goblet of fire just became normalgay prom dresses and suits, totally wasted opportunity for some cool and unique designs.
11 months ago
Anonymous
but I mean at the core isn't that literally what they are? I get there not muggles but I don't know that difference in aesthetic never really felt out of place to me. at least not for Harry and Hermione since they are both actually from Muggle backgrounds and exist within the regular world when they're not attending Hogwarts. I think that would have been cool too. I could see them having like wizard pins or something but I don't know if it would have been as easily taken seriously. I mean the one thing about them wearing normal clothes is that it's good for any situation. I don't think I could picture Harry running through the woods with Hermione away from a werewolf wearing kind of clunky wizard clothing. I'm 100% in agreement with you on the goblet of fire though that was a missed opportunity.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It still makes frick all sense. It’s based on British schools which all have uniforms. If I rocked up to school with no uniform my teachers would have told me to go home and change.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They wear school uniform in class, they're only out of uniform in the third movie during the entire third act of PoA that people b***h about so much because it's free hours.
>They just wanted to make the movies look more generic like other YA popular at the time like Twilight.
Prisioner of Azkaban came out in 2004 and Twilight in 2008 you massive sperg.
>then it should have been
it was the right amount of dark. the Tim Burton eye he had for it. This entire book has the premise of a killer coming to Hogwarts to kill Harry. trying to chamber of secrets 2 it would've been awful
>trying to chamber of secrets 2 it would've been awful
i'd have done it differently, right from the jump its jarringly grittier & more off-kilter & hostile than the columbus movies, which is not representative of the tone of the book at all. in my ideal version of it, the warm cozy SS/COS atmosphere would predominate through the first two acts of the film & recede as the sirius black/dementor plotline gains more & more importance
Order of the Phoenix was unironically a masterpiece. So many legendary moments. The places, the characters. Grimmauld Place, St. Mungo's, the Ministry of Magic. Neville and Ginny and Luna joining the main gang, the return of Sirius and Lupin and Moody. Occlumency with Snape, the memories and James' bullying. Harry's nightmares and angst, Dumbledore's distance. Umbridge and Dumbledore's Army. The longest book in the series, and it totally delivered on the hype after Goblet of Fire. The last 2 books never quite measured up.
>Occlumency with Snape, the memories and James' bullying
It seemed moving to me how, when Snape kicks Harry out of his office after having his worst memory exposed, what affects & disturbs him first & foremost isnt that his professor tried to brain him with potion supplies or that he might get in trouble for snooping around or that he's been cut off from occlumency lessons, but that he cant help but empathize with snape & the torment he suffered at the hands of james & company. he's such a good, pure hearted kid & nothing like that was reflected in the movie
>It seemed moving to me how, when Snape kicks Harry out of his office after having his worst memory exposed, what affects & disturbs him first & foremost isnt that his professor tried to brain him with potion supplies or that he might get in trouble for snooping around or that he's been cut off from occlumency lessons, but that he cant help but empathize with snape & the torment he suffered at the hands of james & company. he's such a good, pure hearted kid & nothing like that was reflected in the movie
that and he couldn't believe his father acted the way he did, at his age.
>that and he couldn't believe his father acted the way he did, at his age.
this too, its so fricking cool how, after idealizing his parents as perfect, iconic martyred angels for 4 years or whatever & constantly simping for james whenever snape would shit on him, harrys suddenly confronted with the fact that they were real people with actual flaws & issues & not just flawless happy faces in a photo
yeah I don't like that at all and I don't see Columbus playing it that way at all. it may not be a representation of the book but it's just a better style choice overall. to me it coming out of the gates with the immediate darker tone just set such a better precedent then something like goblet of Fire or order Phoenix did by having it be blandly dark. POA was dark with style and I think was ultimately necessary to highlight the maturity of the books.
actually come to think of it I think POA kind of did that. I mean the first scene with Aunt Marge is played for comedic effect and the zaniness of the night bus also plays with the comedic tone and it kind of remains like that until Arthur has that conversation with Harry behind the pillars in the pub. And I think that's a good like 10 to 15 minutes in the film by The time the tone switches over completely. another thing that I appreciate about the movie being so dark is that it plays well with the theme of light and dark of the black and negativity and white glimmer of hope. like that scene on the bridge with Harry and lupin There's a warm white color to it or like when they're training Harry's patronus there's a lot of orange and brown reminiscent of the first film
>but that he cant help but empathize with snape & the torment he suffered at the hands of james & company.
Yeah realizing Snape was right and not just talking shit without cause was great as a kid.
yeah it made me love the kid, and i felt bad when he thought there might've been foul play behind his parents' marriage just because of how thoroughly put off his mom seemed by his dad in the memory
Sirius and Lupin explained it pretty well.
They were all c**ts, to the point Lupin was ashamed he never reeled James and Sirius in, but James eventually grew out of it while Snape fell in with a crowd that amplified all his worst traits.
>"WEASLEY IS OUR KING"
Pansy Parkinson conducting the crowd as they sing during the quidditch match is hilarious. Little things like this are what make the series great, and they're always lost in the movies.
I think we need to take bets on the race swaps. I’m gonna go for the obvious one and say it’s about 95% chance of a black hermione because there’s precedent for it. Then we’ll probably have Indian Ron because gingers aren’t allowed on tv anymore and then potentially white Harry.
Harry >for race lift
It would give them a boatload of brownie points
Let’s them race lift his parents for free, and Lily was a ginger
If Ginny stays white, she gets double blacked >against
If Lily gets a racelift, so do the dursleys, so they can’t be cartoonishly evil anymore
James is a colossal butthole as a kid, and that won’t send the right message
They will instantly lose an absolute fricking fortune on merchandise and tank viewership
Even before Radcliffe’s casting, everyone had the same mental image of Harry, and a racelift will engender pic related instantly
Ron >for
He’s a ginger
They get to black his whole family for free
He gets to have positive traits now >against
He’s easily the most flawed of the trio and least popular, so staying white lets them use him as a punching bag
Fatigue is setting in, and having 2/3rds of the main cast, as well as a vast chunk of the supporting cast, in 1990s england be race lifts will get pic related
Hermione >for
The stage play sets a precedent, even if it’s a moronic one if you know anything about stage casting
Their most vocal morons already take it as canon and will ape out if it doesn’t happen
The smart character being black is right up their alley >against
If they’re at all book accurate, she’ll be an annoying know it all rather than the superior black genius
Emma Watson was a miscast, but she was still incredibly marketable, and they’ll want someone to fill that niche. The usual racelift is ugly as sin
As with Ron, they likely only get one
Not racelifting her will send the message they’re not caving to online morons (least likely potential reason)
As for the rest of the cast, flip a coin twice
Heads first time for black
Heads second time for a random Asian/Middle East cast
Double tails for white
JK Rowling has the final say on the casting so only Hermione and some other minor characters will get race swapped.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If that’s true, the producers have an unprecedented opportunity to completely ignore online morons and deflect all the flack to someone who is clearly fine with ignoring it
11 months ago
Anonymous
It is true. They tried buying the movie rights off of her so they could more freely adapt the books but JK wanted extra amounts of money no one in their right mind would pay. She is still a SJW though. Just one who hates trannies, so she most likely would cast black Hermione and other PoC to look noble since she already constantly retconned her story after the books were finished.
I'm more disappointed about it cutting the whole St Mungo's scene where they meet Neville's mom and Lockhart.
That said though the books get really fricking long from 4 onward so it was inevitable things would get cut. But then they added unnecessary stupid shit like Harry flirting with the girl in the coffee shop in HBP so some poor choices were made.
>St Mungo's scene where they meet Neville's mom and Lockhart.
This was such a good scene in the books. Skipping it was such a dumb move. Maybe Indian Neville will have it in the tv series
Yeah I don't get why they added that coffee shop scene. It wasn't in character for Harry at all. It's like they just wanted to show that Harry approved of interracial dating but he was already slated for Ginny so they had to just do this
>stupid shit like Harry flirting with the girl in the coffee shop in HBP
He's a stupid teen who wants to frick. Honestly would rather have some fun characterization like this where he sees being the chosen one as an opportunity to score instead of whatever the frick the fifth book had with Harry being angry because some of Voldi seeped into him.
They could really do something special if they're faithful to the books. If they did 7 seasons, and each episode included the material of 1-3 chapters at a time and didn't change a bunch of shit or include any more pozzed garbage than is already in there, it would be great.
They are not dumb enough to raceswap any of the main trio, this property is way too valuable and people have a very strong image of what those characters should look like. This isn't like that stupid play that most people didn't even see or care about. Black Hermione in a major TV series would torpedo it overseas just like the little mermaid movie.
Only supporting characters or random unimportant teachers will potentially get changed to add "diversity".
They cut the most important part, "Snape's Worst Memory".
They never explored Sirius's depression either, which is the reason why Harry was convicted he had indeed being caught. That's why he later blamed Dumbledore for his death, because he ordered Sirius to stay inside GP.
Order of the Phoenix was unironically a masterpiece. So many legendary moments. The places, the characters. Grimmauld Place, St. Mungo's, the Ministry of Magic. Neville and Ginny and Luna joining the main gang, the return of Sirius and Lupin and Moody. Occlumency with Snape, the memories and James' bullying. Harry's nightmares and angst, Dumbledore's distance. Umbridge and Dumbledore's Army. The longest book in the series, and it totally delivered on the hype after Goblet of Fire. The last 2 books never quite measured up.
An astounding feat of these films to make even duller the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to. >a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King
I never really liked HP much until JK Rowling went all in on hating transfolk and now I listened to the audiobooks and watched the series a few times. comfy to put on at night when going to bed
sucks I've worn it out though. I have nothing comfy now
the worst is Malfoy, they literally just cut the climax and resolution of his entire character and arc out of the movie. The filmed it and just cut it.
The movie basically ends with Malfoy joining Voldy and then they run away, and 20 years later Harry gives a friendly smile to Malfoy and it's just fricked and makes no sense
I just like the part where Harry absolutely loses his shit at Ron and Hermione to the point where he makes Hermione cry when he sees them again at Sirius's house since they didn't write him over the summer, they shouldn't have cut that part out, or any of the parts where Harry loses his temper.
I whipped it out. Their reactions, from left to right, are: >Jealousy >Annoyance >Familiarity >Pity (I ain't bothered, though, her twat's cavernous) >Fear (we'd made plans for later) >Grudging respect >Bewilderment
>book >it comes as a real shock who's been setting harry up all throughout the school year, considering all the facts you've been given and the seemingly tragic history of the conspirator >movie >he does the tongue thing >someone else does the tongue thing >he's not even pretending to cry
You're crazy and missing out if that's where YOU stopped, 'cuz order of the phoenix is astounding, and I can see why people list it as the best book in the series
I remember not liking 5 because of the drastic tone shift but overall they were worth finishing.
Goblet of Fire is objectively the best book. It has the perfect mix of adventure, whimsy and danger. Shit is getting serious but not enough to be depressing.
Obviously they were building up to the revival of Voldemort so the tone shift after that makes sense, but I didnt enjoy it as much.
>I remember not liking 5 because of the drastic tone shift
The tone shift started with Goblet of Fire but it was actually well-handled there and Harry, while becoming more of a regular teenager, wasn't the annoying dipshit he became in Order of the Phoenix. That just felt like Rowling going "wait, Harry's a teenager now, they are supposed to be moody and shit" and went all the way up to 11 with it to the extent that it feels like a totally different character.
no i didn't like gof... ron being a c**t, harry being forced into competition with everyone hating him in favor of cedric, no quidditch (in hogwarts), etc.
end segment is kino though, excluding the contrived barty crouch jr exposition
>end segment is kino though
It's fricking moronic. Barty Crouch apparently made the triwizard cup into a portkey to the graveyard unsupervised and unchecked but what stopped him from just letting Harry go to it before that shit had started even? Barty could have went with him to Voldemord and no one would even know what happened. Not to mention the contrived scenario where the portkey brings them back as well despite later one mentioning they are one time use. This whole thing just falls apart once you think for more than a second about it.
>what stopped him from just letting Harry go to it before that
I don't think this is stated in the book, but my interpretation is that the organizers of the tournament intended for the cup to be a portkey back to the start of the maze, and so they lowered whatever spell usually prevents teleportation in Hogwarts in just the quidditch pitch for the duration of the event.
>end segment is kino though
It's fricking moronic. Barty Crouch apparently made the triwizard cup into a portkey to the graveyard unsupervised and unchecked but what stopped him from just letting Harry go to it before that shit had started even? Barty could have went with him to Voldemord and no one would even know what happened. Not to mention the contrived scenario where the portkey brings them back as well despite later one mentioning they are one time use. This whole thing just falls apart once you think for more than a second about it.
breaking news; man actually read the books
The teleport-block is one of the most obvious plot points ever established. Also, the maze was one of the few places where Harry wasnt under constant supervision from Dumbledore who did in fact keep much closer eyes on Harry than anyone knew.
Goblet is the best one and I'm tired of pretending it's not
Although does Goblet have the forced Ron/Harry conflict? That was not comfy and lame. Especially because it happens for the dumbest fricking reason. Why would Ron not believe Harry didn't put his name in the thing, have you not noticed a lot of shit happens to him? Why would he lie about it?
It's just too much of stretch to believe that Ron, his friend, would have turned against him over that instead of them working to figure out whats going on. And even if you ignore that, it's just not a comfy part of the series.
>"RON HAS SELF ESTEEM ISSUES DONCHA KNOW" subplot that wears out its welcome after 3 pages is a good moment
Order of the Phoenix might be one of the few adaptions where pretty much everything they cut made the whole thing 50 times better. I have never in my entire life have read a book that has as much goddamn pointless filler as this one. And it's not even good filler like Goblet of Fire which makes the world richer and more interesting, it's dreary shit that drags on and on and on.
No fricking wonder Rowling took 3 fricking years to write this shit, books 1-4 were released rapid fire, one every year and it's very obvious that she was running on pure creativity with those. Book 5 onward she ran out of steam which is why the last 3 books are meandering shit that seem to just be desperate to wrap the whole thing up as quickly as possible.
Playing the doubles advocate, rapid fire releases for the first few instalments is industry standard. It’s done to capitalise on any ground it takes and stick in the mind of the audience. I’ve heard some authors say their publisher wanted 3 books with 6 months gap between each one.
After that they get more time to work with, since they can be confident it will bring anticipation, rather than the audience getting bored and finding something else.
Harry Potter is probably the best example of this strategy working like a charm.
>Playing the doubles advocate, rapid fire releases for the first few instalments is industry standard.
It used to be but not really so much for the past couple of decades. I also kind of doubt it because the difference between 1-4 and 5-7 in terms of how tightly plotted they are and the lack of meandering filler really does imply that Rowling ran out of steam post-Goblet-of-Fire.
It was definitely still a thing up to the late 2000s, when publishers didn’t just absorb whatever shit hires they thought would win the increasingly worthless awards like Hugo, and only begrudgingly still publish the legacy authors they had who still actually made money.
I think the meandering and bloat that hit the books is more a consequence of her having far more time on her hands, and Goblet setting a door stopper precedent that either she or the publishers weren’t willing to step away from.
To be fair the real Mad-Eye got shafted in the books too. It's obvious that Rowling really only intended to use his character for the plot twist with Barty Crouch Jr. and then never again which is why he's vastly less interesting and irrelevant later in the series. Same thing happened with Lupin where Rowling had a set plan on what to do with him for book 3 and then struggled to come up with something for him to do after that.
Order of the Phoenix is at least 20% responsible for my burning hatred of leftists. The total incompetence and corruption of the Ministry of Magic, the institutional interference by Umbridge, etc.
My advice is to stay the frick away from older women who give you Umbridge vibes. Rowling hit the nail on the head with her character. She perfectly represents bureaucratic, neurotic, leftist petty tyrants with her. It's a good hting she gets raped by centaurs at the end of the book.
It's also a brutal take on mass media. Harry is treated like a schizo conspiracy theorist that needs to go to alt media to get the truth out there. Umbridge and the Ministry are far more hateable and true to life as villains than Voldemort, yet leftists never compare them to their political opponents. It's always Literally Voldemort, the mass murdering boogeyman with a snake face.
as a kid, i remember reading the 5th one and started thinking it would probably be for the best if the death eaters just fricking killed every homosexual bureaucrat in the ministry before harry and company come and save the day. harry growing up and going work for them as part of their police department was also just fricking weird considering how useless the whole organization ended up being in the 7th book
I remember wanting Harry to take the DADA job, partly because he’s a demonstrably good teacher, but mostly because it would completely and utterly cuck riddle from the grave
>Leftist >The ministry of magic
What? They literally have wizard nazis amongst them and are in favour of prison penalty, keeping the muggles away from their society and they don't believe in clear cut evidence. Not to mention how they throw people into prison without trial and how systematic change is a thing that the wizarding world doesn't want and is allergic to. It's conservative to the core.
>Umbridge >Wizard reactionary that joins the Death Eaters >Leftist
The entire thing about Ministry of Magic is that it's shitting on Britbong institutions filled with their specific breed of conservatives though.
the worst is that almost every good or helpful thing Ron did or said, outside of chess in the first and saving harry in the last; was given to Hermione in the movies
I'm not. The books were bloated to hell after the second one. inb4 >NOOO WE JUST NEEDED THE QUIDDITCH HOUSE CUP IN THE THIRD FILM >NOOO WE NEED TO SEE THAT PINTLESS SIDEPLOT OF RITA VS HERMIONE THAT ENDS ON AN ANTI CLIMAX OFF-SCREEN
These books were shit whether JK Rowling hated trannies or not.
>been saying for years they need to do a TV adaption that covers each book in a season >they never do it >grow up the Harry Potter phase >they announce the fricking show
sure but the movies are still good which is astounding considering that they're adaptations
I can't complain too much. They're especially fine as supplemental material.
theyre absolutely not good movies, installments 4 - 8 are basically incomprehensible unless you read the novels beforehand
my kid sister was enraged they cut out the SWAH
I didn't read the books before watching the movies and I understood everything. You might be slow
They're fine, you're just moronic
>defending yatesslop
your opinions are irrelevant, dont @ me again
no one defended Yates moron, I'm just saying that the films are understandable without reading the books
what was the deal with the mirror that harry had in the last 2 movies?
Yates made them serious and not fun at all.
That's how the books are dum dum
The problem is from 5 onward the magic world looks like some dark and joyless dystopia with a green/grey filter applied to it. And everyone dressing like normalgays who shop at the Gap doesn't help either, though that started back in 3.
almost everything ever is an adaptation in some way. even all the way down to history books. you may as well move to the mission at La Chorrera in the Amazon Rainforest if you want the bare source of originality
I just mean that considering how badly adaptations tend to frick up what they take or what they're supposed to take from the source material It's pretty good that Harry Potter managed to get away pretty unscathed without it being hatcheted to pieces
>what they're supposed to take from the source material
anon, i have a new term for you. have you heard of "creative interpretation?"
Yeah I'm sorry but you only get that leeway to a degree. If your shit is so dramatically different or insanely off base from the source material you better have a good reason for doing it and most of them do not. I can watch any iteration of Batman but if it wasn't anything really reminiscent of Batman besides name only then that's an issue.
an issue according to spiteful people like you? no problem then. easily discarded opinion
sure moron. enjoy all the derivative shit that doesn't do anything or have anything in common with the source material besides name only. I bet you really liked Velma too. Also spiteful? lol kys.
>Velma
skipped it
>Spiteful
proven within your response
homie we're on Cinemaphile, who gives a frick if I'm spiteful? You're still moronic.
Cinemaphile is not an ideology, it is a website. Anon...
where people are notoriously crass. get over it
>look at me, I'm doing a Cinemaphile!
>literally greentexts
Are they? I stopped watching around the 4th one because it just didn’t feel like the world I’d imagined in the book at all.
I mean it's no Lord of the rings but I think the films themselves managed to the generally the mostly faithful to the books without any serious serious butchering I mean especially in regards to other adaptations.
Azkaban is the last good movie. The rest are terrible to passable.
This. I couldn't appreciate it when I was young, but now I've seen the fate of movie adaptations.
They are a great victory for potterheads.
lolno they are not
the first three are passable adaptations
HP3 the movie easily surpasses the book. All of its best scenes are movie original and Harry has way more of a personality.
70% of this book is boring filler
This Order of Phoenix is so shitty. What was Rowling thinking with this?
It's not a shitty book, but it suffers from being the exposition dump. Movie basically had to go out of its way to try and make it interesting.
I think 4 and 5 suffer the most from not just being a TV series, because there's too much shit in both books that are going to be left out of a movie.
>talking trash about the best one
you morons probably never even read it
I read it back when it released and barely remember anything about it besides Sirius dying
it's my favourite.. unironically love ALL CAPS potter constantly losing his shit and the whole rebellion
nothing in the later books excited me as much as harry getting lured into the trap and the department of mysteries segment
but it is incredibly uncomfy, i'm always relieved to reach the 6th where he isn't a pariah anymore + values his oddball friends more
I will fight you, you fricking wienersucker. MotherFRICK YOU!
and 20% Harry getting tortured.
Yeah Order of the Phoenix was a mistake and it’s obvious that JK thought so too as she dialled it way back on the last two books and made them much shorter and more concise. Book 5 has so much filler and Harry being a moping teenager it’s fricking awful.
the slice of life stuff is what makes harry potter interesting you midwit
You could say that about every Harry Potter book
Phoenix would be fine if it wasnt 50% Harry going around screaming
>YOU ARE SO SCHTEWPID, VOLDEMORT IS BACK, YOU HAVE TO TRUSHT ME
with every adult telling him to stfu. Is he meant to be 70 IQ? No real teen is that angsty and impulsive and moronic
Order of the Pheonix, especially as a kid, was the shittest book but only up until the chapter after 'Hagrids Tale'.
I have no idea why, anything up to and including that chapter bored me to tears. I actually skipped the 5th book at that point due to this, and went straight to the 6th - which was always my favourite as it had detailed ins and outs about school life.
Later in life I went back to the second half of the 5th book and its on par with the 6th. The first half is a real fricking drag though. However these are kids books and I'm quite sure as an adult I could read all of harry potter in a couple of days...
You were/are too dumb to understand or appreciate what it says about the nature of totalitarianism, rule by bureaucrats, frog boiling, etc
none of that is in the first half. the first half is them arguing and b***hing at the order.
The first major plot in the book is harry being formally expelled from Hogwarts & getting grilled by the Ministry for using the patronus charm to stop umbridges dementors from killing dudley & him during his summer break
in the film. in the book the b***hing in the order takes up a much larger chunk
Yep. I'm currently reading it. 9 full chapters of non stop b***hing and nothing really happens. You could start out at Hogwarts barely changing anything.
>BUT MUH HECKIN' LE EPIC MINISTRY PART
We're going back to the status quo directly after that and these characters talk more like toons seething and coping to expell Harry and no one in the room but Dumbledore questions this.
Lmao no you couldn’t. It’s like 2000 pages.
>he doesn't spend 16 hours a day reading
Stop projecting your illiteracy onto others, anon
>im an illiterate shitskin so everyone else must be too
It's a young adult book
The Yates movies are all grimdark garbage
Did they include the invisible horses that only people who have dead loved ones can see?
They do but they don't dedicate enough time to them, I feel. Nevile never lets everyone know he can see them in the movie either... Not enough building the mysticism around them, like they did in the book.
They were especially important to the ending when they had to go to the ministry and Hagrids storyline but they pretty much forgot about Hagrid in the movies
They still fly to the ministry, but there's no dialogue about everyone but harry, luna and nevile being all "this is BIZARRE". 'cuz they're riding on nothing. It's all done very quickly...
>Hermione could have had harry but opted for Ron because he was over 6ft even though Ron is stupid as hell
Rowling truly understands women
Ron/Hermione always felt to me like "Harry/Hermione is obvious and Ron/Hermione feels wrong and isn't obvious so that!"
Basically expectations subverted
I never felt any chemistry between those two characters ever, in the book or in the movies
Also Harry should have gotten with Luna
Funny, that's exactly the opposite I felt.
Have you seen movies first? Because Ron Hermione was hinted since book 3
disagree, I thought their chemistry was at least somewhat present in the first two, and then just got more obvious along the series
i prefer harry with romilda vane
or the first girl who asked him out in the 4th book who dwarfed him
reddit filename
israelite troony mod getting paid by wb for this trash now
I just googled harry potter uranus joke and downloaded the first one that wasn't webp.
Please don't call me a reddit n-word
There are extensions that allow you to convert webp images, when you save them.
What's with all these webp images lately? I feel like 3 years ago there was practically no such thing, now I can hardly attempt to download an image without at least one being a webp first.
Compatibility.
Webp can be static or animated, like gif.
it's a relatively new file type, takes up less storage space than jpg
Firefox extension that disabled webp shit. Breaks some websites but all is well in my world with it disabled
Anon just post the pic don’t apologise to some schizo anon for your file names…
>Black personed loudly
wtf Rowling
>page 274 of OOTP
>"stop being a fricking troony and pass me the butterbeer, Ron, you fricking Black person" said Hermione calmly
NOT COOL, Joanne
It was a different time
Do women actually get self conscious when you examine their butthole? Like not just a casual look, but spreading them open with both hands and getting to know the folds and creases of their anus and committing everything to memory.
I think I would be self-conscious about that too. I've never really looked at my butthole and I'm not sure what anyone would see if they did.
My girlfriend, and many girls apparently, are appalled at the thought that men know what their anuses look like. She really didn't realize that I see her butthole every time I frick her from behind. Women are not the most self-aware creatures out there.
she's clearly not self aware if she's too moronic to realize her butthole is right next to her pussy and therefore visible if you frick her from behind
yes, that was what was said, thanks
i misread
Yes, trust me, I'm a professional butthole examiner.
Yeah that bit was cool
The books are just way better than the films aside from Prisoner of Azkaban
Idk how they cut out kreacher's befriending
Kreacher is so funny he's like an old man mumbling racist slurs under his breath constantly
>aside from Prisoner of Azkaban
i think its the best in the series too, but cuaron kind of shit the bed in his direction of the film by making it considerably darker & grimer than it should have been; based on my rereading of the series three years ago for the first time since i was a kid, imo the first 3.5 parts of HP are supposed to be mostly comfy, self-contained, lighthearted adventure mysteries, & the latter 3.5 parts are meant to challenge/subvert the first half by introducing vastly darker, heavier themes & elements. cuaron made a great movie, but he fricked up the thematic & atmospheric progression of the series by making POA as moody & dark as it is.
Also making them dress like normal teenagers
that also makes sense. they've been there for like 3 years at that point and they're turning into teenagers It's only normal for them to socially rebel with their clothing. at least that's how I interpret it
That's fine other than the muggle clothes
I don't see why the "muggle clothes" are a problem. It's not like it was always on and they're only ever worn in the evenings when school is over. The first films always had them in sweaters or other random shit.
Why would Harry "rebel" by wearing basic ass muggle clothes? He hated living in the muggle world and becoming a wizard was the best thing that ever happened to him. He even liked the tacky sweaters from Ron's mom.
They just wanted to make the movies look more generic like other YA popular at the time like Twilight.
>Harry can't rebel wearing jeans and a t
>has to dress like Dudley or Uncle Vernon just to be counter to Muggle fashion
I'm not saying it's like a intentional malicious means of rebellion or that he's actually going out of his way to rebel against the school uniform rules. what I'm saying is that they've been there for a couple of years once you get comfortable especially since their teenagers they're not going to be tightening their tie extra tight or tucking in their shirts all the time. It's only natural that they start to get lax with it or get so used to the laid-back nature of the school that they wear their normal clothes more times than usual. It was in a behind the scenes clip I saw a couple years ago but Alfonso was talking about how the disheveled clothing is supposed to kind of reflect their maturity. turning into teenagers finding their own style etc
I just think they should dress more "wizard" like. Maybe they could individualize by decorating their hats or getting unique scarves or something along those lines. Not looking like regular kids hanging around at the mall in jeans and hoodies. Even the "dress robes" in goblet of fire just became normalgay prom dresses and suits, totally wasted opportunity for some cool and unique designs.
but I mean at the core isn't that literally what they are? I get there not muggles but I don't know that difference in aesthetic never really felt out of place to me. at least not for Harry and Hermione since they are both actually from Muggle backgrounds and exist within the regular world when they're not attending Hogwarts. I think that would have been cool too. I could see them having like wizard pins or something but I don't know if it would have been as easily taken seriously. I mean the one thing about them wearing normal clothes is that it's good for any situation. I don't think I could picture Harry running through the woods with Hermione away from a werewolf wearing kind of clunky wizard clothing. I'm 100% in agreement with you on the goblet of fire though that was a missed opportunity.
It still makes frick all sense. It’s based on British schools which all have uniforms. If I rocked up to school with no uniform my teachers would have told me to go home and change.
They wear school uniform in class, they're only out of uniform in the third movie during the entire third act of PoA that people b***h about so much because it's free hours.
>They just wanted to make the movies look more generic like other YA popular at the time like Twilight.
Prisioner of Azkaban came out in 2004 and Twilight in 2008 you massive sperg.
>then it should have been
it was the right amount of dark. the Tim Burton eye he had for it. This entire book has the premise of a killer coming to Hogwarts to kill Harry. trying to chamber of secrets 2 it would've been awful
>trying to chamber of secrets 2 it would've been awful
i'd have done it differently, right from the jump its jarringly grittier & more off-kilter & hostile than the columbus movies, which is not representative of the tone of the book at all. in my ideal version of it, the warm cozy SS/COS atmosphere would predominate through the first two acts of the film & recede as the sirius black/dementor plotline gains more & more importance
>Occlumency with Snape, the memories and James' bullying
It seemed moving to me how, when Snape kicks Harry out of his office after having his worst memory exposed, what affects & disturbs him first & foremost isnt that his professor tried to brain him with potion supplies or that he might get in trouble for snooping around or that he's been cut off from occlumency lessons, but that he cant help but empathize with snape & the torment he suffered at the hands of james & company. he's such a good, pure hearted kid & nothing like that was reflected in the movie
>It seemed moving to me how, when Snape kicks Harry out of his office after having his worst memory exposed, what affects & disturbs him first & foremost isnt that his professor tried to brain him with potion supplies or that he might get in trouble for snooping around or that he's been cut off from occlumency lessons, but that he cant help but empathize with snape & the torment he suffered at the hands of james & company. he's such a good, pure hearted kid & nothing like that was reflected in the movie
that and he couldn't believe his father acted the way he did, at his age.
>that and he couldn't believe his father acted the way he did, at his age.
this too, its so fricking cool how, after idealizing his parents as perfect, iconic martyred angels for 4 years or whatever & constantly simping for james whenever snape would shit on him, harrys suddenly confronted with the fact that they were real people with actual flaws & issues & not just flawless happy faces in a photo
yeah I don't like that at all and I don't see Columbus playing it that way at all. it may not be a representation of the book but it's just a better style choice overall. to me it coming out of the gates with the immediate darker tone just set such a better precedent then something like goblet of Fire or order Phoenix did by having it be blandly dark. POA was dark with style and I think was ultimately necessary to highlight the maturity of the books.
actually come to think of it I think POA kind of did that. I mean the first scene with Aunt Marge is played for comedic effect and the zaniness of the night bus also plays with the comedic tone and it kind of remains like that until Arthur has that conversation with Harry behind the pillars in the pub. And I think that's a good like 10 to 15 minutes in the film by The time the tone switches over completely. another thing that I appreciate about the movie being so dark is that it plays well with the theme of light and dark of the black and negativity and white glimmer of hope. like that scene on the bridge with Harry and lupin There's a warm white color to it or like when they're training Harry's patronus there's a lot of orange and brown reminiscent of the first film
>but that he cant help but empathize with snape & the torment he suffered at the hands of james & company.
Yeah realizing Snape was right and not just talking shit without cause was great as a kid.
yeah it made me love the kid, and i felt bad when he thought there might've been foul play behind his parents' marriage just because of how thoroughly put off his mom seemed by his dad in the memory
women are fickle
Sirius and Lupin explained it pretty well.
They were all c**ts, to the point Lupin was ashamed he never reeled James and Sirius in, but James eventually grew out of it while Snape fell in with a crowd that amplified all his worst traits.
>SS
amerishart detected
The most bizarre part of that movie was cutting out the explanation of who the marauders actually were.
That's why i hate the movies from 3 forward, they are just so damn dark, foggy and depressing looking. I don't want to live in a world like that
unless you're underage, you're too old to be thinking about this literal children's franchise.
>"WEASLEY IS OUR KING"
Pansy Parkinson conducting the crowd as they sing during the quidditch match is hilarious. Little things like this are what make the series great, and they're always lost in the movies.
I can't wait for the show to come out and people b***h about the pacing because they included too much superfluous shit
It'll be so exciting if they can just cast everyone properly.
Anon, you know that's not going to happen...
I think we need to take bets on the race swaps. I’m gonna go for the obvious one and say it’s about 95% chance of a black hermione because there’s precedent for it. Then we’ll probably have Indian Ron because gingers aren’t allowed on tv anymore and then potentially white Harry.
Neville 100% gets brownified.
Nah, Neville will be the pajeet.
Lupin is black, maybe Seamus too.
Cedric will be nafri
Ginny will stay a white ginger of course since she gets blacked.
Harry
>for race lift
It would give them a boatload of brownie points
Let’s them race lift his parents for free, and Lily was a ginger
If Ginny stays white, she gets double blacked
>against
If Lily gets a racelift, so do the dursleys, so they can’t be cartoonishly evil anymore
James is a colossal butthole as a kid, and that won’t send the right message
They will instantly lose an absolute fricking fortune on merchandise and tank viewership
Even before Radcliffe’s casting, everyone had the same mental image of Harry, and a racelift will engender pic related instantly
Ron
>for
He’s a ginger
They get to black his whole family for free
He gets to have positive traits now
>against
He’s easily the most flawed of the trio and least popular, so staying white lets them use him as a punching bag
Fatigue is setting in, and having 2/3rds of the main cast, as well as a vast chunk of the supporting cast, in 1990s england be race lifts will get pic related
Hermione
>for
The stage play sets a precedent, even if it’s a moronic one if you know anything about stage casting
Their most vocal morons already take it as canon and will ape out if it doesn’t happen
The smart character being black is right up their alley
>against
If they’re at all book accurate, she’ll be an annoying know it all rather than the superior black genius
Emma Watson was a miscast, but she was still incredibly marketable, and they’ll want someone to fill that niche. The usual racelift is ugly as sin
As with Ron, they likely only get one
Not racelifting her will send the message they’re not caving to online morons (least likely potential reason)
As for the rest of the cast, flip a coin twice
Heads first time for black
Heads second time for a random Asian/Middle East cast
Double tails for white
JK Rowling has the final say on the casting so only Hermione and some other minor characters will get race swapped.
If that’s true, the producers have an unprecedented opportunity to completely ignore online morons and deflect all the flack to someone who is clearly fine with ignoring it
It is true. They tried buying the movie rights off of her so they could more freely adapt the books but JK wanted extra amounts of money no one in their right mind would pay. She is still a SJW though. Just one who hates trannies, so she most likely would cast black Hermione and other PoC to look noble since she already constantly retconned her story after the books were finished.
If book accuracy is a priority, do they really want Black Hermoine being a laughing stock for protesting elf slavery?
The Weasleys are gonna be all black because they're originally ginger. It's the law.
deh
I'm more disappointed about it cutting the whole St Mungo's scene where they meet Neville's mom and Lockhart.
That said though the books get really fricking long from 4 onward so it was inevitable things would get cut. But then they added unnecessary stupid shit like Harry flirting with the girl in the coffee shop in HBP so some poor choices were made.
>St Mungo's scene where they meet Neville's mom and Lockhart.
This was such a good scene in the books. Skipping it was such a dumb move. Maybe Indian Neville will have it in the tv series
That scene is too depressing for kids. A man with no memory who nobody visits and Neville having 2 moronic parents who cant communicate with him
This isn't a kids film, it's an all-ages adventure.
Quints of YOUTH
>That scene is too depressing for kids
Sounds British to me, ought to have left it in.
Most cultures don’t believe in completely sheltering kids to the point where they have no understanding of the world around them.
It’s kind of okay considering how Rowling wrote the various accounts of the Dursleys torturing Harry for the entirety of his childhood.
Yeah I don't get why they added that coffee shop scene. It wasn't in character for Harry at all. It's like they just wanted to show that Harry approved of interracial dating but he was already slated for Ginny so they had to just do this
>stupid shit like Harry flirting with the girl in the coffee shop in HBP
He's a stupid teen who wants to frick. Honestly would rather have some fun characterization like this where he sees being the chosen one as an opportunity to score instead of whatever the frick the fifth book had with Harry being angry because some of Voldi seeped into him.
That’s what the tv show is four. And to make Hermione black
I will watch the show if it's a deep dive into every book. One season of at least 10 episodes for each book
They could really do something special if they're faithful to the books. If they did 7 seasons, and each episode included the material of 1-3 chapters at a time and didn't change a bunch of shit or include any more pozzed garbage than is already in there, it would be great.
The books really aren’t well written enough for that…
They are not dumb enough to raceswap any of the main trio, this property is way too valuable and people have a very strong image of what those characters should look like. This isn't like that stupid play that most people didn't even see or care about. Black Hermione in a major TV series would torpedo it overseas just like the little mermaid movie.
Only supporting characters or random unimportant teachers will potentially get changed to add "diversity".
They could just make Dumbledore flaming gay and leaving everything else the same
Ahahaha you are getting black Hermione and you are gonna watch it.
>They are not dumb enough to raceswap any of the main trio
C'mon man.
>That’s what the tv show is four
WHERE THE FRICK IS PEEVES?!
In the games.
They cut the most important part, "Snape's Worst Memory".
They never explored Sirius's depression either, which is the reason why Harry was convicted he had indeed being caught. That's why he later blamed Dumbledore for his death, because he ordered Sirius to stay inside GP.
*convinced, not convicted.
Maybe they'll keep it in the TV show
Order of the Phoenix was unironically a masterpiece. So many legendary moments. The places, the characters. Grimmauld Place, St. Mungo's, the Ministry of Magic. Neville and Ginny and Luna joining the main gang, the return of Sirius and Lupin and Moody. Occlumency with Snape, the memories and James' bullying. Harry's nightmares and angst, Dumbledore's distance. Umbridge and Dumbledore's Army. The longest book in the series, and it totally delivered on the hype after Goblet of Fire. The last 2 books never quite measured up.
Hermione should have had a huge ass
An astounding feat of these films to make even duller the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King
>tfw I followed the Rowling to King pipeline
Who am I meant to read for quality fantasy fiction that's not lotr?
You ever laugh realizing the current HP crowd are more in line with Book Umbrige than anyone else?
Check the Appendix N for D&D. Really solid fantasy in there. Some of the best ever written.
It was cringe
I never really liked HP much until JK Rowling went all in on hating transfolk and now I listened to the audiobooks and watched the series a few times. comfy to put on at night when going to bed
sucks I've worn it out though. I have nothing comfy now
the worst is Malfoy, they literally just cut the climax and resolution of his entire character and arc out of the movie. The filmed it and just cut it.
The movie basically ends with Malfoy joining Voldy and then they run away, and 20 years later Harry gives a friendly smile to Malfoy and it's just fricked and makes no sense
Tbh books didn't have resolution either
I remember it wasn't like some big moment but doesn't he eventually finally decide to stop being a dick and says no to voldy and turns against him?
I can't really remember
I'm just hoping they'll get to use the original soundtrack for the tv series
I just like the part where Harry absolutely loses his shit at Ron and Hermione to the point where he makes Hermione cry when he sees them again at Sirius's house since they didn't write him over the summer, they shouldn't have cut that part out, or any of the parts where Harry loses his temper.
What are they looking at?
>When the first trans-wizard is accepted into the school
I whipped it out. Their reactions, from left to right, are:
>Jealousy
>Annoyance
>Familiarity
>Pity (I ain't bothered, though, her twat's cavernous)
>Fear (we'd made plans for later)
>Grudging respect
>Bewilderment
Goblet of Fire had the perfect cast for side characters but was the worst adaptation overall
>book
>it comes as a real shock who's been setting harry up all throughout the school year, considering all the facts you've been given and the seemingly tragic history of the conspirator
>movie
>he does the tongue thing
>someone else does the tongue thing
>he's not even pretending to cry
How good is Brendan Gleeson tho? Love the Glees man
So does Cinemaphile like Kino Potter or what?
There's something wrong with you if you didn't stop reading them after 4 at least.
You're crazy and missing out if that's where YOU stopped, 'cuz order of the phoenix is astounding, and I can see why people list it as the best book in the series
Yeah it’s certainly number 1 on the contrarian rankings
I remember not liking 5 because of the drastic tone shift but overall they were worth finishing.
Goblet of Fire is objectively the best book. It has the perfect mix of adventure, whimsy and danger. Shit is getting serious but not enough to be depressing.
Obviously they were building up to the revival of Voldemort so the tone shift after that makes sense, but I didnt enjoy it as much.
>I remember not liking 5 because of the drastic tone shift
The tone shift started with Goblet of Fire but it was actually well-handled there and Harry, while becoming more of a regular teenager, wasn't the annoying dipshit he became in Order of the Phoenix. That just felt like Rowling going "wait, Harry's a teenager now, they are supposed to be moody and shit" and went all the way up to 11 with it to the extent that it feels like a totally different character.
no i didn't like gof... ron being a c**t, harry being forced into competition with everyone hating him in favor of cedric, no quidditch (in hogwarts), etc.
end segment is kino though, excluding the contrived barty crouch jr exposition
>end segment is kino though
It's fricking moronic. Barty Crouch apparently made the triwizard cup into a portkey to the graveyard unsupervised and unchecked but what stopped him from just letting Harry go to it before that shit had started even? Barty could have went with him to Voldemord and no one would even know what happened. Not to mention the contrived scenario where the portkey brings them back as well despite later one mentioning they are one time use. This whole thing just falls apart once you think for more than a second about it.
>what stopped him from just letting Harry go to it before that
I don't think this is stated in the book, but my interpretation is that the organizers of the tournament intended for the cup to be a portkey back to the start of the maze, and so they lowered whatever spell usually prevents teleportation in Hogwarts in just the quidditch pitch for the duration of the event.
breaking news; man actually read the books
The teleport-block is one of the most obvious plot points ever established. Also, the maze was one of the few places where Harry wasnt under constant supervision from Dumbledore who did in fact keep much closer eyes on Harry than anyone knew.
The only real explanation is that Voldemort is an overly grandiose moron, which is admittedly a legitimate character that book 6 explores
>legitimate character
Flaw*. Fug
eat my ass
talk trash about the media, not each other
There was. I was a child
They cut out good subplots from all the movies. Books are superior in every way.
Goblet is the best one and I'm tired of pretending it's not
Although does Goblet have the forced Ron/Harry conflict? That was not comfy and lame. Especially because it happens for the dumbest fricking reason. Why would Ron not believe Harry didn't put his name in the thing, have you not noticed a lot of shit happens to him? Why would he lie about it?
It's just too much of stretch to believe that Ron, his friend, would have turned against him over that instead of them working to figure out whats going on. And even if you ignore that, it's just not a comfy part of the series.
Still like goblet though
good opinion
Ron is loyal to a fault rather than inclined to distrust Harry
>"RON HAS SELF ESTEEM ISSUES DONCHA KNOW" subplot that wears out its welcome after 3 pages is a good moment
Order of the Phoenix might be one of the few adaptions where pretty much everything they cut made the whole thing 50 times better. I have never in my entire life have read a book that has as much goddamn pointless filler as this one. And it's not even good filler like Goblet of Fire which makes the world richer and more interesting, it's dreary shit that drags on and on and on.
No fricking wonder Rowling took 3 fricking years to write this shit, books 1-4 were released rapid fire, one every year and it's very obvious that she was running on pure creativity with those. Book 5 onward she ran out of steam which is why the last 3 books are meandering shit that seem to just be desperate to wrap the whole thing up as quickly as possible.
Playing the doubles advocate, rapid fire releases for the first few instalments is industry standard. It’s done to capitalise on any ground it takes and stick in the mind of the audience. I’ve heard some authors say their publisher wanted 3 books with 6 months gap between each one.
After that they get more time to work with, since they can be confident it will bring anticipation, rather than the audience getting bored and finding something else.
Harry Potter is probably the best example of this strategy working like a charm.
>Playing the doubles advocate, rapid fire releases for the first few instalments is industry standard.
It used to be but not really so much for the past couple of decades. I also kind of doubt it because the difference between 1-4 and 5-7 in terms of how tightly plotted they are and the lack of meandering filler really does imply that Rowling ran out of steam post-Goblet-of-Fire.
It was definitely still a thing up to the late 2000s, when publishers didn’t just absorb whatever shit hires they thought would win the increasingly worthless awards like Hugo, and only begrudgingly still publish the legacy authors they had who still actually made money.
I think the meandering and bloat that hit the books is more a consequence of her having far more time on her hands, and Goblet setting a door stopper precedent that either she or the publishers weren’t willing to step away from.
>doubles advocate
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>gives the real Mad Eye like 3 lines of dialogue throughout the movies
>expects us to give a shit when he dies
To be fair the real Mad-Eye got shafted in the books too. It's obvious that Rowling really only intended to use his character for the plot twist with Barty Crouch Jr. and then never again which is why he's vastly less interesting and irrelevant later in the series. Same thing happened with Lupin where Rowling had a set plan on what to do with him for book 3 and then struggled to come up with something for him to do after that.
Order of the Phoenix is at least 20% responsible for my burning hatred of leftists. The total incompetence and corruption of the Ministry of Magic, the institutional interference by Umbridge, etc.
My advice is to stay the frick away from older women who give you Umbridge vibes. Rowling hit the nail on the head with her character. She perfectly represents bureaucratic, neurotic, leftist petty tyrants with her. It's a good hting she gets raped by centaurs at the end of the book.
It's also a brutal take on mass media. Harry is treated like a schizo conspiracy theorist that needs to go to alt media to get the truth out there. Umbridge and the Ministry are far more hateable and true to life as villains than Voldemort, yet leftists never compare them to their political opponents. It's always Literally Voldemort, the mass murdering boogeyman with a snake face.
tavistock is wondorous at social engineering
as a kid, i remember reading the 5th one and started thinking it would probably be for the best if the death eaters just fricking killed every homosexual bureaucrat in the ministry before harry and company come and save the day. harry growing up and going work for them as part of their police department was also just fricking weird considering how useless the whole organization ended up being in the 7th book
I guess the implication is Harry and the crew is going to make it all better from the inside
I remember wanting Harry to take the DADA job, partly because he’s a demonstrably good teacher, but mostly because it would completely and utterly cuck riddle from the grave
>Leftist
>The ministry of magic
What? They literally have wizard nazis amongst them and are in favour of prison penalty, keeping the muggles away from their society and they don't believe in clear cut evidence. Not to mention how they throw people into prison without trial and how systematic change is a thing that the wizarding world doesn't want and is allergic to. It's conservative to the core.
>Umbridge
>Wizard reactionary that joins the Death Eaters
>Leftist
The entire thing about Ministry of Magic is that it's shitting on Britbong institutions filled with their specific breed of conservatives though.
huh? fudge comes across as part of the gop..
the worst is that almost every good or helpful thing Ron did or said, outside of chess in the first and saving harry in the last; was given to Hermione in the movies
I'm not. The books were bloated to hell after the second one. inb4
>NOOO WE JUST NEEDED THE QUIDDITCH HOUSE CUP IN THE THIRD FILM
>NOOO WE NEED TO SEE THAT PINTLESS SIDEPLOT OF RITA VS HERMIONE THAT ENDS ON AN ANTI CLIMAX OFF-SCREEN
These books were shit whether JK Rowling hated trannies or not.
Can't believe they cut that scene in the sewer where they gangbang Hermoine
>been saying for years they need to do a TV adaption that covers each book in a season
>they never do it
>grow up the Harry Potter phase
>they announce the fricking show
Tired of this
Luna should have won
I had a crush for Tonks. She was my first book waifu