Has a director ever given the middle finger to another director like this before? Even more so that it was done in a direct sequel
Has a director ever given the middle finger to another director like this before?
Has a director ever given the middle finger to another director like this before? Even more so that it was done in a direct sequel
TRoS is the best nu wars sequel and it's very likely thanks to Chris Terrio's work on it.
Why couldn't Terrio (or JJ) come up with a better climactic moment than just copying
>I am ___!
>and I... am ___
from Avengers Endgame?
He’s wrong.
Rise of Skywalker is objectively one of the very worst movies ever made. It’s horrifyingly bad
Yep. Worst by big budget "real movie" standards.
It's maybe a notch above the worst Transformers movies because it doesn't include juvenile potty humor
>Palps and girl boss becoming avatars for their respective sides is a bad climatic moment
Why? It's a moment invoking legacy and speaking of a greater battle than their personal ones.
Ok but there must have been a way to do that without so closely matching the delivery of "I am inevitable" "and I am Iron Man"
That's just in your head. Unlike Jedi/Sith, Iron Man/Inevitable aren't a dichotomy.
HAHAHAHA! look at this moron and laugh! he's pretending there's sophisticated 2deep4u symbolism in his troony-wars goyslop kek
You don't want me to actually defend those movies. I could but I don't think I will.
no, i don't, i want you to stop baiting people with your shit takes and just go back to lurking until you grow out of your goy-pleb status.
Terrio isn't israeli.
i didn't say he was, im saying that you are a mind broken npc that lets klkes control how you view the world, its why you are a goy-pleb, eating goyslop with a smile and trying to tell the rest of us its caviar.
pic related, did you write any of these posts? i think you'd be the type.
>I just got redpilled yesterday
KWAB
>KWAB
cringe
Because it is essentially a "my dad is stronger than your dad" argument
Story of the universe.
Best piece of shit is still a piece of shit
The entire trilogy is middle fingers to other directors
>TFA shits on the characters Lucas created and the general populace loved
>TLJ shits on TFA by revealing that you, the reader, were inside the mystery boxes all along
>TROS shits on TLJ with shots like OP
Why didnt they just hire one director with a contract for 3 movies?
They really should have. Say what you want about JJ-Trek but at least it’s coherent across the films. Meanwhile in nuwars the paramilitary wing of The governing body in the galaxy calls itself the resistance but is losing to an upstart remnant of the previous governing body that
>somehow
has the resources to make an even bigger death star than the ones that nearly bankrupted the old empire but it’s okay because that doesn’t matter anymore now that the deposed tyrant is back to reenact Napoleon’s last stand. Planned in advance, these movies were not. Planned in advance, these movies should have been.
>JJ Abrams
>plan
Rian Johnson asked him "so what's the plan with snoke?" when he got hired and JJ laughed in his face
"plan?"
That’s my point. Disney spent $4B on the IP and the movies themselves were some of the most expensive ever produced, the least they could have done is have a few people sit in an office for a month and plan the story for all three before production starts
you can't expect college graduates to be able to plot out a story, anon.
>have a few people sit in an office for a month and plan the story for all three before production starts
I still think the biggest mistake of NuWars was not releasing episode 7 on the 40th anniversary of Star Wars, with 1.5 years of extra pre-production and planning.
RJ's honestly the greatest and most damaging troll in the history of cinema/television. He cost Yidney billions, BILLIONS in future earnings for nu-wars.
Don’t forget, people were still mass-huffing copium over TFA being mid at the time, if he had actually delivered a half-decent film it would all have been forgiven. Instead he made the shittiest possible film he could. It’s almost like he sat down, scoured Cinemaphile for every major issue brought up, then amplified every complaint we had about TFA to 11 on purpose, and splattered woke ideology over it as well so Yidney and the internet troony brigades were forced to shill for and defend, literal dogshit. I could only DREAM of tricking my enemies, into both praising and financially backing something I created specifically to spite them.
Oh anon, you don’t like Mary Sues like Rey huh? Well enjoy, they aren’t just gonna be Mary Sues, they’re gonna be the Mary fricking Poppins of Mary Sues, literally! And there’ll be like 4 of them in the same film! The space battles are nonsensical? Good, mine will make even less sense, enjoy r*ddit-tier arguments during battles and sci-fi versions of 1940s bomber planes, in space, dropping bombs reliant on gravity momentum to work, bombs like that don’t even exist NOW, all modern bombs today have various guidance systems built into them, let alone the future, it’s moronic as frick, you’ll hate it! Oh, and you think Snoke has potential as a villain? That’s great, so im gonna kill him within 3 minutes of his big reveal, I could go on. It’s a goldmine of bad film ideas and design philosophies. All on purpose I feel.
Honestly, i hated nu-wars from the moment i walked out of TFA and wrote off the whole universe on the spot. But, if they had put me in Rian's place, and i felt like tanking the entire franchise with extreme prejudice, I very much doubt i could have done more damage to Yidney than Rian, his masterpiece of garbage is a work of trolling art.
Ok anons, let's say you are RJ, but you have no intention of trolling. You've been handed the 2nd film and have to deal with all of little JJs stupid fricking mystery boxes.
How do you save the trilogy?
>start with a space battle
>Rey tells Finn they need him on the guns
>"Bitch, I ain't your homie!"
>then he looks directly at the camera and chants "no justice, no peace" for 145 minutes
do the literal opposite of everything he did, introduce better characters with more attractive actors, wearing more attractive/flattering clothes. Rey looking like shes homeless the entire trilogy, and Darth emo-gay with his cringe getup should never have even made it to TFA production. Vader looked COOL, not like a gay.
Have Rey and Darth emo-gay actually hook up post-snoke arc (which would be most of the film instead of a 5 minute sequence), with her trying to "save" him from the dark side when he begs her to be with him. That was the most interesting idea in the entire trilogy by a MILE and RJ threw it in the trash straight away.
Anon, just because you're a low iq, low standards mutt, it doesn't mean we all are. You must understand that there are a great many galaxy brained white men on Cinemaphile than you can just trust will know better than you on many subjects. If i was getting paid for this i could probably write an entire script, that would be a total waste of time because theres 0 chance another nu-wars film will ever be made continuing any of this tripe.
>that’s a story for another time
I'll tell you one thing. I wouldn't make Luke a little b***h who had a bad dream and fundamentally changed everything he is as a person.
That was Kathleen Kennedy’s idea. But instead of destroying Luke, it literally destroyed her instead.
actually a good take.
Except for the fact that he thinks Rian did this intentionally as a troll. He's too dumb for that.
saved
>Say what you want about JJ-Trek but at least it’s coherent across the films
no it is not. the last one isn't terrible like the others and is more like Star Trek
It's just crazy to me how ugly those movies look. Same for the "sequels".
they lost me with Scotty in the pipe and Starfleet hats
The problem wasn't that they changed directors. The OT had a different director for every film and it wasn't an issue. The problem was that they greenlit all 3 films and fast-tracked production despite having no real idea what the movies would even be about. There was no Lucas-like figure who had the whole thing firmly in mind to keep things consistent.
>There was no Lucas-like figure who had the whole thing firmly in mind to keep things consistent
There wasn't for the OT either
Obviously you can't just directly copy everything the OT did and act like it will shit out a successful turd. So constantly saying "but but the OT did it!" is moronic
>The OT had a different director for every film and it wasn't an issue. The problem was that they greenlit all 3 films and fast-tracked production despite having no real idea what the movies would even be about
Yeah if I remember right they were shooting TFA before the script was done and began on TLJ before TFA even finished.
It was hard enough finding one director for Episode VII, JJ actually turned down the job the first time he was asked. I think a lot of directors are afraid to make Star Wars films, it really is a sacred cow in the film industry.
it's because it's a barren world that was only ever intended to hold up for 3 movies. every post Jedi star wars movie and tv show has sucked ass and will always suck ass for that simple reason.
>it really is a sacred cow in the film industry.
Was. They did the impossible and killed the sacred cow with their incompetence.
>We just bought a film franchise that has a huge established fanbase for four billion dollars, how should we proceed?
>Well, we'll hire three different directors who know absolutely nothing about it, who hate and despise the fanbase, and who want to make junk that shits on the movies instead. We'll make them soft reboots that mimic the old movies with wink wink nudge scenes for anyone that notices, and otherwise just let the directors wing it and pull whatever seems funny out of their ass.
>Perfect! I can already feel the billions rolling in!
>lets also steal ideas from the extended universe books and then shut them all down and depublish them to hide our tracks, which even neurotic crybaby Lucas didn't do
The “billions” rolled in because Han, Leia, and Luke were back, and they’re the 3 biggest draws in Hollywood history.
But then people saw that the new movies were literally one long frick you to them and their fans. And thereafter, Star Wars became a low budget tv franchise no different than Xena or Stargate. It’s deader than dead.
JJ, like the morons at RLM, belongs to the "I know and understand the star wars universe better than its creator" crowd. He's an OT purist who despises the prequels, so he decided to scrap Lucas' script in favor of his own because he believes himself that much smarter and better than him.
>"I know and understand the star wars universe better than its creator" crowd
so, everyone except for popcorn munching low T redditors?
Treverrow probably could have made something that wasn’t outright insulting if he’d been in charge of TFA.
Fricking moronic just like Jurassic World, certainly, but with a blank slate it would have been a hell of a lot better than Abrams or Jonson.
They bought Star Wars and figured whatever bullshit they made would make a billion dollars, and they were right. Abrams didn't even wanna take the job at first because he literally had no idea what the movie should be, which is why it ended up a remake of ANH.
The problem is Disney bought into the idea nerds would throw money at anything with a lightsaber in it, and while those people do exist, there's not nearly as many of them as they would've hoped.
It's really funny. It's one of the funniest movie series out there.
the middle finger was cut off to transition to disney
checked and based
that would require foresight
Wildly underrated
directors just tell the hired help to hit record on the camera. they dont do anything anymore. they didnt write the script. they are a name attached to a completed project, like how 80 year old ridley scott didnt make the napolean movie - just his name on it. like how dr strange mom was already made, cgi done, etc and raimi just gets his name on it for some advertising. he didnt do anything. he had no control over the movie.
How much longer are you going to keep pretending the Disney trilogy was relevant in any way? It´s already been buried and forgotten.
It’s amazing. All Disney Star Wars had to do was use Luke Skywalker in the proper way and they would have had a blank check with the fans to do whatever the frick they wanted. It was the bare minimum that they could do and they didn’t even want to do that
Hideo Kojima came very close with MGS2
I'm also convinced Prometheus is a frick you to Alien fans
Not as much as Alien Resurrection. Both shit movies but I wish Ridley Scott got to finish his spite trilogy, it was fascinating.
It's like a comedy, but it happened in real life. Billions wasted, biggest movie franchise destroyed, Disney going down. It's absolutely hilarious.
They had no plan whatsoever, no quality control, nothing.
There is literally no reason for any of the original cast to be there. Any bit roles they served can be passed off to other characters or written around. If you go back to the original writes, it's like they said, every time they inject Luke he takes over the movie. So the only way to prevent that is to basically destroy his character.
When JJ wrote the first script I wonder if they ever asked him if he had an overall plan for the trilogy. Based on what he did with Lost you fricking know it was fly by the seat, drop off a bunch of mystery boxes and we'll figure them out later. I honestly wish I never fricking saw these movies.
Honest fricking question, if you were Rian and given the first movie trash heap handoff, what would you do? He made a lot of poor choices for the 2nd movie, but one thing I will never fault him for is killing off Snope, because he was such a forgettable ridiculous character.
>There is literally no reason for any of the original cast to be there.
Yes, there is. It’s called money
>Yes, there is. It’s called money
Touché. How's that's working out for them long term though?
It would have worked had they used the Big 3 properly.
It’s specifically because they attacked the big 3 that the franchise died. They can subsidize it forever with their bbm, but it is a dead franchise
This, it was the original sin of the sequels. if they had moved on from them instead of making it part of the skywalker saga it could have been a fully different and not needed to hinge the plots around the OG and memberberries.
That’s fine in the abstract. But all the new characters are hollow soulless corporate patronizing garbage. So, taking away the main characters of Star Wars and just going with a generic girl power (and diversity team hunger force) corporate remake would have been a massive flop.
you're so fricking stupid it's unreal. It's a wonder you can even tie your shoes, kek.
The marketing can and should hinge on the memberberries. The story/Trilogy will hinge on the attractive young actors you cast to play new characters.
>will hinge on the attractive young actors you cast to play new characters.
I take it you haven’t been to the movies since 2014 then?
2014 Daisy Ridley is pretty enough if you dress her in tight clothes. Women seem to find adam driver hot in an attainable sort of way....I know he is no Chewey but at least John Boyega looked like a healthy ape with good teeth and clear eyes
What the frick are you on about?
The OT and PT were filled with older actors, Alec Guinness, Ian McDiarmid, etc. Yoda was 800 years old.
There is no fricking reason why a 50-year old Grandmaster Luke Skywalker couldn’t have played a mentor / Nick Fury type role in the movie.
;(
As bad as the prequels were, there are actually a whole generation of new Star Wars fans that grew up with them and in turn became hug fans. Because at the end of the day, it still felt like Star Wars,
There is no fanbase at all for the new trilogy. There is no legacy at all for it. Disney no longer even feigns to care about the new trilogy era.
I don't and I will never know, I was lucky enough to realize TFA was garbage so I never even thought of watching its sequel.
When the new trilogy was being developed, people forget that we were now entering the Postmodern version of "Hero's journey" storytelling.
>You are no longer allowed to do a traditional hero's journey centering a straight white male
>You are allowed to do a traditional hero's journey centering a POC, white female (for now), or trans character
>Any hero's Journey involving straight white male must instead be a completely ensemble diverse cast making it clear it is not his journey alone. Equal storytelling must be shared with the diverse cast for the journey
>You are allowed to do a deconstruction of a straight white male hero's journey
Arrow started out as traditional hero's journey show and got converted to postmodern version in the middle of it's run. Same with Flash after the first one maybe two seasons. All modern shows or movies featuring a white male superhero or any other type of white male hero now have diverse Scooby gang ensemble cast. *Magicians, Wheel of Time, RoP, The Witcher, etc.)
Im not gona lie, I went to see this movie at a theater that brought booze to your seat and i had quite a few. I barely remeber this movie and never watched it again after that. I remember the absolutely moronic reveal that Hux was a traitor because he didnt like Kylo. And I remember Kylo smoochin Rey and then laying back and disappearing. I remember finding that weird because they always had a brother/sister dynamic.
>inb4 luke and leia
Frick off
Star Wars will only recover if they move completely away from the current content and start fresh in a new galaxy with new characters who view and wield the force in a different manner than the known galaxy. The damage is to great to try and salvage Lucas's world and characters. How sad.
What are you talking about anon? I only know about 6 canon star wars films.
Rogue One is honorary canon. There’s problems, sure, but nothing worse than what the prequels introduced. Plus it’s George’s favorite nuwars movie
I’ve mentioned this before but JJ is a midwit who thinks his audience is full of drooling morons so they’ll be impressed with lens flare and action and dumb mysteries. Rian is also a midwit but thinks he’s a genius and that the audience will appreciate his smarts and subversion of what he thinks you expected. Hiring those two specifically to direct two movies back-to-back is probably the dumbest decision Disney made for nuwars aside from not forcing them to stick to a pre-written story
Rian is like a philosemite to the nth degree. His wife is israeli, his production company partner is israeli, his director of photography is israeli and Woody Allen was his inspiration to make movies. So it shouldn't come as a shock that he ends up making the spiritual successor to a Mel Brooks movie (Spaceballs).
>omg it's so cool that vader kills all those dudes! vader's a fricking badass again! rogue one is so great, because it's really just a war movie! dude, donnie yen as a jedi?! uhh.... based much?
I knew it will be bad after Han Solo showed up in the trailer. The fact that so many people cheered made me realize that modern consumers are really stupid.
Hamill may have had his reservations about the material but he gave a committed performance in TLJ that’s up with his best work. In ROS he looks like he hates being there and the wig is fricking terrible. Like, no real attempt is made to match how he should look.
Someone post the clip where Hamill looked like he was about to kill Rian after the premiere because he didn’t know they were killing Luke
Imagine believing this i(that Mark Hamill acted out his death scene and didn't realize until a year later at the premiere) instead of seeing the clip as it is, a 70 year old man on stage at 2am trying to stay awake during a Star Wars panel.
Frick off shill
Imagine being Mark at the premiere and having to be all like "damn, Rian Johnson, your movie is frickin' fine, all epic with your tight script and horrific sea monster breasts. I would totally do all those actions in the film, both my character and the real me." when all he really wants to do is complain about Republicans on Twitter. Like seriously imagine having to be Mark and stand there while Rian Johnson flaunts his disgusting film in front of the audience, the CGI explosions barely concealing the unfunny gags and nonsensical plot, and just stand there, question after question, hour after hour, while he talked about this trainwreck. Not only having to tolerate working for this prick for months but his haughty attitude as everyone at the premiere tells him it's THE BEST ONE SINCE EMPIRE and DAMN, RIAN JOHNSON CAN MAKE A MOVIE LIKE THAT?? because they're not the ones who have to stand there and listen to his Mickey Mouse-ass voice contort the truth to justify this monstrosity. You've been running the convention circuit talking about how great it was to inspire so many young people and later alleged manchildren for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Oakland. You've never even seen a film this fricking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on his greasy forehead as he keeps spewing bullshit, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to stand there and revel in his "masterful (for that is what he calls it)" film, the film he worked so hard for with CGI artists and editors in the previous months. And then another reporter asks a question, and you think how Luke Skywalker could kill every single person in this room before the Empire could put him down, but you stand there and endure, because you're fricking Jake Skywalker now. You're not going to lose your future Ukrainian air raid alert gig over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
thats a fantastic copy-pasta lmfao.
Meds
Honestly I would go further than Rian. In my TLJ Chewbacca has a secret ewok family. Ewok/wookie romance is forbidden but OT Chewie is progressive AF.
Turns out Han survived the lightsaber to the chest and falling into the infinity chasm getting off the planet before it exploded. He comes back to remind Kylo he will never be as good as Rey no matter how hard he trains because Rey doesn't even need to train because Rey believes in herself. Kyle kills him again. Pay Harrison Ford another $25,000,000.
Luke is not explicitly gay but definitely a gay coded character. Under his jedi robes is a fishnet top and nipple ring. Give Hamil steroids or just cgi the cumgutters.
For the casino sequence give the aliens viking horns, nazi uniforms, make some literal W.A.S.P.S. looking and acting....make them clearly evil white people like watto is israeli, gungans=black, trade federation= chinksects
Lingering shots on Rose Tico in tight clothing. Ass shots like scarjo in black widow. Rey in robes all movie.
The Last Jedi is genuinely the worst movie I watched all the way through.
Disagree although TLJ is a very bad film I believe RoS to be the worst in the series and would add Capone with Tom Hardy and One From the Heart are tied for the worst movie I have sat all the way thru
Well it could be worse, I've never bothered to watch the 3rd one, just read the plot summary
Exorcist II
Yeah, when Ryan Johnson made TLJ
these movies have kino moments