Has an Archie or IDW original sonic character became canon in the games? I really want the comic to be canon to the games.
Has an Archie or IDW original sonic character became canon in the games?
Has an Archie or IDW original sonic character became canon in the games? I really want the comic to be canon to the games.
nope never.
Sally, Rotor, Bunnie, Mutski, and Scratch appear in Sonic Spinball.
AoStH's version of Robotnik, Scratch, Grounder, and various other robots appear in Mean Bean Machine.
Various Archie characters show up in Mega/Gems Collection because of the inclusion of comic covers.
Sally and Bunnie WERE going to be playable in a version of Sonic X-Treme.
Bunnie was part of what may have been a pitch for a Sonic the Fighters sequel that would have possibly included Archie Reboot characters.
Tangle and Whisper show up in Sonic Forces Dash or whatever it's called.
Sonic X gets a cameo ad in Sonic Adventure.
Sticks showed up on Sonic Channel, a series of OMAKE manga pages to celebrate various characters from the games, and she was in the Olympics games. No one's been closer to canon than her. (Although SoA really pushed to get Sally into the games so that they could get young girls to want a Sega Genesis for Christmas)
I really want Sticks to become canon.
Sticks should really be brought in to a party game or show up as npc in Frontiers. Gives Amy a more consistent friend her own age
>Sally, Rotor, Bunnie, Mutski, and Scratch appear in Sonic Spinball.
Unplayable, blink and you'll miss cameos that used proto Sally
>Sally and Bunnie WERE going to be playable in a version of Sonic X-Treme
Sonic Mars was the original concept before being changed into Sonic X-Treme which took out characters related to the SatAM cartoon because of disinterest while Tiara Boobowski was still included before it was all canceled.
>Bunnie was part of what may have been a pitch for a Sonic the Fighters sequel that would have possibly included Archie Reboot characters.
That was very obviously fanart.
scratch was a stage enemy for the bonus stage, i forgot but they also used the SATAM robotnik bird as an enemy as well in the regular stages.
Sonic Mars was the second itteration of the project. there was a genesis version that was going to have sally and bunnie, then they restarted on 32x, then they restarted again on saturn.
rafaknight doesn't give details, but she threw it out there after getting blacklisted from sega. she did alot of official 3d modeling for sega promotional materiel at the time and if you know anything about the people who started as fans and got jobs on the SoA side of things (Ian Flynn) They're huge fans of satam and have been trying to get those characters included in the games and just revived in general since.
nope. it wasn't elaborated on. rafa did post what looked like in engine mockups for a 3DS game long after getting fired, which makes it more suspicious towards being part of an actual pitch that got rejected. (Tons of games get pitched that don't become actual projects in the games industry. Look at all the failed Jak & Daxter reboot attempts!)
Kit no, Surge yes.
Too bad she literally just falls off a cliff for no reason.
nah sounds like you don't remember SATAM or early Archie at all. I don't know if Ian butchered the comics characters after he joined because i jumped ship before then, but when I was reading it (First 100 issues with change) the freedom fighters were always treated as well as sonic and tails narratively.
it's probably pajeet poster. he puts posts in an english to mudpie language translator but it has a character limit so he can only reply to the beginning of a post.
>nah sounds like you don't remember SATAM or early Archie at all. I don't know if Ian butchered the comics characters after he joined because i jumped ship before then, but when I was reading it (First 100 issues with change) the freedom fighters were always treated as well as sonic and tails narratively.
To piggyback off of this since the post you replied you got something else wrong. Sally was actually really competent as a leader. She led the march to Eggman's city that led to his mental breakdown. She coordinated the FF and the Chaotix to take down his phoenix robot which was his pride and joy. In Iron Dominion, they went to destabilized the Iron Queen's backup with the other clans and that was mostly Sally using her diplomacy. She helped bring about peace between the cat and wolf tribes although it helped that the leaders finally had a chance to talk to each other. When Eggman beat Sonic with a mech especially made to counter him, Sally had Sonic sit out the fight and had the FF and Chaotix take it apart. In House of Cards, she was able to negotiate peace between Elias and Amadeus. In the Genesis arc where Eggman fricked with reality, Sally and Sonic argued and split up. Sally managed to turn off Eggman's power which screwed him over and allowed Sonic to go Super and beat him. And when Eggman tried to roboticize the planet, Sally inverted the energy which saved the world but made it so that she was roboticized. As Mecha Sally, she actually managed to frick with the heroes and save Eggman resources when he just wanted to carpet bomb the various areas to buy time for his retreat.
It's fanart. Rafa's no stranger to making game mock-ups, here's another for Paper Mario. https://twitter.com/Rafaknight_rk/status/1148916838392352774 Any plans for the FF's being featured in a game died long before the reboot, especially after the shitshow that was the purge.
>pajeet poster
Ah, it's you. Had the feeling.
>Bunnie was part of what may have been a pitch for a Sonic the Fighters sequel that would have possibly included Archie Reboot characters.
That was fake.
sonic comic with freedom fighters came out in 1992.
those characters were in sonic spinball in 1993
>Sticks
She was already canon in Sonic Boom, unless Boom isn't considered canon anymore
How is Boom canon? None of the designs are similar to the games, it's clearly an alternate universe.
Boom as a franchise is done and Sega is so against acknowledging it exists that they haven't used Sticks in anything since then aside from a mobile game.
>Although SoA really pushed to get Sally into the games so that they could get young girls to want a Sega Genesis for Christmas
Sally was a casualty of the tension of SoA and SoJ. Outside of Japan Sally was part of the brands image. For SoA putting her in a game made sense to strengthen Sonic because she had already become a recognizable part of the Sonic brand but Japan was so incredibly petty and paranoid about SoA hijacking Sonic they killed every spin-off project featuring her despite being the reason SoA didn't align to Japanese canon in the first place. Meanwhile SoA refused to market Amy until Japan gave them no other option. Pretty sure they disliked how typically girly she was since it clashes with Sonics cool kid image in a way Sally didn't.
Sally or Amy...damn, they were fricked either way.
>literal waifu wars between america and japan
I always saw it as them realizing it was moronic to keep making 2 versions, especially if it was to include a single character from spin off media when people really just cared about Sonic.
Meanwhile Nintendo has had a dozen different versions of Mario and don't seem to care one bit. I won't even get started on Zelda.
More like the US branch lost all autonomy when the Saturn died. Ever since they've had to tow the JP line.
That's when we get to Adventure when Sega of Japan in general just cleaned house and took away their autonomy. In the 90s SoJ wanted SoA to make Sonic something appealing for Americans while also hindering their ability to do so. This goes beyond Sonic too. Sega of Japan was very quick to frick over the IPs and games the American branch was trying to make for the Genesis and the two sides of the company clashed frequently. This can be seen best with Eternal Champions. SoA had plans to make it their Street Fighter with plans for spinoffs but Japan got pissy because they viewed it as competition for Virtua Fighter and refused to support it. For Sonic the production of X-Treme was pretty brutal for the two.
>X-Treme
Imagine literally killing yourself to make a game, almost finishing it, and then it gets cancelled and never released.
>SoA to make Sonic something appealing for Americans while also hindering their ability to do so.
Sonic is still appealing even without SoA's fanfiction.
>B-B-But!
Is Sonic still here? Yes? Okay, case closed.
I'm not quite sure why your angry. We're talking about history.
whhy is SoJ so moronic?
Pettiness. Also before Sonic, none of SEGA's previous mascots had any appeal Stateside. Alex Kidd wouldn't or couldn't survive the '90s.
This is a literal schizopost.
Sounds incredibly believable though.
It literally isn't. The tension between SoA and SoJ is well noted.
I know there was tension, but these reads simply as "Japs bad! Americans good!"
More like "Japs hate Sonic".
>"Japs bad! Americans good!"
The handling of the Sega 32X, Sega CD, Saturn, and Dreamcast literally shows that's how it was.
You're reading with some bias but also Japan witheld resources from their American branch and killed major franchise they established. Eternal Champions was on the verge of becoming a full multi media franchise when Japan forced the American branch to kill it purely over Virtua Fighter performing worse. Japan isn't a perfect holy land dude they can do shit things. Also I prefer Sonics Japanese canon but it doesn't change the fact that America was given autonomy over their canon while also having Japan limit their ability to market it.
>Eternal Champions was on the verge of becoming a full multi media franchise
top kek, that game was awful. sega of america pushing that kind of trash instead of games like gunstar heroes demonstrates how out of touch they were almost as much as producing two mid sonic cartoons that had nothing to do with the games
>Outside of Japan Sally was part of the brands image.
As a 30 year old boomer who was too young for SatAM, I never thought this was the case. Maybe for like 5 years in the 90's. But the archie stuff was always some weird little outlier unless you actively looked for the comics. You could go all over sega's website and any tie ins to the games and never know anything about them.
For a while they used SatAM stuff in merchandise and some weird live action performance play.
That all ended when the Dreamcast came out.
SatAM's fans are just really dedicated and have convinced themselves the series was more influential and important than it was but they couldn't even get it a third season.
They'll cite stuff like Sonic Jam having cover scans of issues of Archie but at the same time Sonic Jam had animated shorts included that were direct contradictions to everything about Archie and that particular cartoon.
Considering the fact that even Sonic Underground got more episodes it wouldn't be entirely wrong to say that SatAM is the worst performing of all sonic cartoons.
>Considering the fact that even Sonic Underground got more episodes it wouldn't be entirely wrong to say that SatAM is the worst performing of all sonic cartoons.
Underground had a 65 episode syndication order from the start. SatAM wasn't cancelled due to a lack of popularity, but because of a chance in management at ABC.
>but because of a chance in management at ABC.
And maybe ratings, since Fox went out of its way to put Power Rangers against it. Twice.
You were just too young. Sally was surprisingly recognizable for a tie-in show character because she was Sonic's girlfriend and the most notable female character in the franchise at that time. By the time you reach the later 90s she had diminished. The other freedom fighters were always pretty irrelevant though.
There's no such thing as canon in the Sonic franchise, especially in the games. Sega is not a fricking medieval church deciding what folklore and oral traditions actually happened to Sonic. Sonic's games, comics, and cartoons are all their own continuities and you trying to champion one as being more "canon" than the other does nothing but make you look like a self-important jackass with a chip on his shoulder.
sonic drift is canon but sonic drift 2 isn't.
objectively wrong
In one game:
Sonic lives in the same world of the humans.
In other:
He doesn't.
In one game the human characters are "realistic" (06, Adventure, Shadow, etc).
In other they are more cartoonish (Unleashed)
In others there are no humans at all (Generations, Colors, Forces.)
The "Sonic Canon" is a fricking worthless mess.
This is why the cartoons or comics are BY FAR the best product of the franchise, because they stablish a START and an END for the stories, and everything follows a LINE.
The most similar to that we have are the Adventure games.
>In one game:
>Sonic lives in the same world of the humans.
>In other:
>He doesn't.
It's all the same world you know? Humans just show up when they're relevant and otherwise don't.
Haven't your heard? Everything is back to one planet and one setting again in the games.
I don't trust anything that comes out of Ian Flynn's mouth.
>In one game: Sonic lives in the same world of the humans. In other: He doesn't.
How do you know those are not different locations of the same planet?
>In one game the human characters are "realistic" In other they are more cartoonish
Art style is not canon
Generations showed that 2d and 3d Sonic are different.
Based. Just fricking based.
"Canon" just means "which continuity will be used in the greater story of the franchise"
The comics have more story than the games, by a long margin, epic (pejorative) proportions.
The only instance of continuity from one game to the other the series has had in nearly 20 years was Mania's true end being a "frick you buy Forces" ad.
What's funny about that is forces becomes a filler arc. Because Sonic enters and leaves through a portal, you can just assume he can go from the Mania Mode True Ending DIRECTLY into Encore Mode. (It feels pretty seemless, actually)
Yeah, that's cool and all, but you still need to learn to use the toilet, Rich.
Posts like this are why mods actively keep shotguns handy for Sonic threads.
Let it go, then.
Maybe stop obsessing for irrelevant shit ass furgay OCs and mods won't have to curbstomp your embarrassing boomer self for every single time.
>t. obsessed with a literal who every single thread
>ABLOOOOOOO ABLOOOOOO MUH SHITTY ASS CHIPMUNK PRINCESSS
Mods would rather kick your ass
>There's no such thing as canon in the Sonic franchise, especially in the games.
I usually am not the kind of person that disregards continuity just because it's a kids series, but this is absolutely true with Sonic.
It really does not care about it's own continuity.
S3&K and SA2 are both big deals. Yet both of them have extremely questionable story elements that seems to have been completely thrown out (the Super Emeralds just don't exist in other games. Everyone's weird one on one battle powers just exist in SA2 then disappear. Shadow immolating doesn't really lead into Heroes or STH).
Then you got shit like Blaze being introduced as a hero from a different universe (Rush). But then repurposed as being from the future (06). But then doubled down on being from a different universe (Rush Adventure).
Then most recently you have Classic Sonic explained as being Sonic from the past (Generations). But then backpedaled into being from a different universe (forces).
And then you have the Phantom Ruby being an ancient artifact in line with the chaos emeralds in Mania. But then you have it explicitly explained as being a man made device created by Eggman in Forces. (not to mention the Ruby works very different in both games, essentially being it's own power source in Mania but requiring a power source in Forces).
Seriously, this series cares less about it's own lore and continuity than Mario, even though Sonic tends to take itself more seriously.
>And then you have the Phantom Ruby being an ancient artifact in line with the chaos emeralds in Mania. But then you have it explicitly explained as being a man made device created by Eggman in Forces. (not to mention the Ruby works very different in both games, essentially being it's own power source in Mania but requiring a power source in Forces).
Two things about this one. First off, the Forces prequel comic shows Eggman finding the Mania Phantom Ruby on his doorstep, which is what leads to him studying and trying to copy it. If this seems dumb and weird, it's because the Phantom Ruby originally didn't exist in Forces, it was some DIFFERENT creation of Eggman's called the Valtron, and was changed during a rewrite of the script to tie into Mania better. Classic Sonic in Forces was originally meant to be a Valtron illusion too, which is why he conveniently shows up when Tails needs him and why he disappears after beating Eggman during the ending.
>If this seems dumb and weird, it's because the Phantom Ruby originally didn't exist in Forces, it was some DIFFERENT creation of Eggman's called the Valtron, and was changed during a rewrite of the script to tie into Mania better.
That explains a lot. But it's even more frustrating because that means the change was made knowing full well there would probably be contradictions.
I really think the Phantom Ruby worked better as some sort of sister artifact of the Chaos Emeralds and not Eggman's self fulfilling prophecy.
It's really come to my attention that the only people who spout your bullshit are those who grew up with the side media and try to handwave the word "canon.
the only canon thing in sonic are sonic, tails, knuckles, amy and dr. eggman, everything else is situational
Archie, IDW and the games are all their own thing.
IDW might get some merch and characters in the Speed Battle mobile game but that's it
Archie is dead anyway and SoJ never cared about it's entire run and those characters beyond some mandates thanks to Penders completely abusing the giveen freedom back when they had no rules by Sega. Penders might be the reason why Sega didn't even want any worldbuilding and lore in the main series anymore
>I really want the comic to be canon to the games
It's bad enough that IDW is held hostage by being post-Forces. If anything you want the separation between games and comics to be completely separate. Sega doesn't give a frick about the comics, they only care about keeping their brand as squeaky clean and sterile as possible. Ideally Sega of America handles classic Sonic and pumps it full of classic and Archie characters and does their own thing. Then Sega of Japan can have modern Sonic and dictate everything according to their ever changing whim.
Sega America is the one who understand the real spirit of the franchise, Sega Japan just only cares on if it's profitable or not.
>Sega America is the one who understand the real spirit of the franchise
No, they don't realise it's a generic DBZ shounen copy that's a mascot franchise with no intent to be anything more than a product to buy.
>Surge is better than the gay duck
I sincerely wish porn addicts would realise they're jerking off to someone who looks like the actual character but isn't.
Surge has done frick all other than be a pathetic nobody.
Sorry anon, being correct is wrong.
Starline's death was meaningless.
>him coming back damns him to the cycle he was trying to break
I don't really see your point. That was the writer's metacommentary. In practice Starline was acting said cycle out, he just never reached the conclusion of Sonic beating him because he was cut short by Eggman/the writers.
His song and dance about being against the status quo and experimenting with it isn't bad... it's how the writers have written most of the previous comics.
>eggman isn't there but metal is
>sonic can't spindash a virus
>what if the enemy was a forest fire
>what if eggman was a gamer
If only they had better ways to ban people.
>Starline's death was meaningless.
Not entirely meaningless
I was deeply satisfied watching his shit get kicked in and seeing all his plans, all those issues wasted on him going up in smoke.
>I was deeply satisfied watching [...] all those issues wasted on him going up in smoke.
You're hurting me.
So much was fricking wasted.
Mandates meant all that potential was never genuinly there. We knew Starline's plans weren't going to work, it was all just a matter of seeing HOW they failed.
>it was all just a matter of seeing HOW they failed.
I know. And we didn't even get that. We just got told they failed as Eggman raped his horse tranquilised body before a puppet laughed at his death.
And this wasn't even the first time Eggman choked out Starline!
>Surge has done frick all other than be a pathetic nobody.
We've just been introduced to the character, give her time. I'm liking how they're setting her up as a villain with an actual grievance with Sonic.
So what you're saying is the big reveal she wasn't who she thought she was WASN'T supposed to be the big hook? Because it feels like it was supposed to be.
To me, it seems like the "brainwashing" aspect is just a way of giving her more of a grievance with Sonic/Starline/Eggman, since she was robbed of her identity.
It feels like Surge being robbed of her identity isn't being given the attention it should be, which is fine if it's not a planned story, but ignoring it as much as they have been feels strange.
>the big reveal she wasn't who she thought she was
You're just vomiting words.
>We've just been introduced to the character, give her time.
She was introduced about eight fricking months ago. Am I going to have to wait for another bi-monthly released side story to learn if she's actually going to do something of substance?
She's going to be back in 2 issues with a crazy-ass Super form and wreck everyone's shit, her story is just beginning still. They're setting her up as a recurring villain, issue 50 was just first contact.
It's her motivation for revenge on Starline.
Starline is dead, that plot has nowhere else to go.
I mean, for revenge on Starline, Eggman, and Sonic. She blames Sonic for not stopping the other two.
>She's going to be back in 2 issues with a crazy-ass Super form and wreck everyone's shit
I knew about her fighting Whisper, but is the Super form actually confirmed?
There's no Super Form confirmed, the solicits only mention Surge "needs more power", that doesn't clarify wether it means literal power or just doing the Starline thing and trying to get her own plans going. The "super form" scene on the cover with Whisper could and very likely is just artistic license on her usual electric power.
Yeah, she gets a crazy new super form in issue 53.
Whisper was just another boring Resistance fighter, Surge is a new villain. Whatever else, IDW does villains pretty well; the "Bad Guys" side-story was the best thing out of IDW Sonic.
Issue 50 was supposed to be her and Kitt’s time to shine and they both jobbed spectacularly. They both looked like they were going to break into tears while Sonic and Tails were barely phased by either of them. They are as big as jobbers as Rough and Tumble but with less style.
>We've just been introduced
This wasn't her debut.
>give her time
I gave Belle time. She hasn't changed.
I liked Whisper, then time passed, and she became an irrelevant pride tease.
>with an actual grievance with Sonic.
Her grievance is she read too many Daily Bugle articles about Sonic and has become radicalised. Sonic did nothing.
>I liked Whisper, then time passed, and she became an irrelevant pride tease.
Whisper is a legitimate problem for IDW. Her abilities and weapon can't really be used given the need to keep the comic audience friendly, she can't kill Mimic to give her trauma closure for the same reasons, all she can do is be Tangle's lesbian accessory, just like that punk girl from the IDW Godzilla comic and Aileron from IDW1 Transformers.
>Her abilities and weapon can't really be used given the need to keep the comic audience friendly,
They can but I agree that it's a problem for IDW to figure that one out since Mimic pulled a serrated knife on Starline instead of just grabbing him.
Mimic can probably get away with using a regular knife because he's a villain.
>Her abilities and weapon can't really be used given the need to keep the comic audience friendly
The main enemy they face are robots and not all of her weapons are fatal so no?
I really hope we could have a Sonic game with NO Sonic.
You see? And I don't mean Shadow I mean being able to use THE 300 CHARACTERS IN THE FRANCHISE that are just left to be fricking scenes.
I wanna FOR ONCE not be forced with the fricking annoying 90's hedgehog.
We have to bare Amy Rose why we can't have Sally? Frick you SEGA Japan hope you burn down.
SEGA america is the one who understands the franchise the best.
>We have to bare Amy Rose why we can't have Sally?
I had a good laugh at this, you clearly don't remember Sally as an actual character, constantly pitching plans that failed spectacularly, only there to carry the plots along while Sonic did all the actual interesting shit, moaning and groaning about her various love interests and family problems and being one of the primary reasons Sonic is inseparable from the furry fandom.
Amy has her problems, but she was never near as much of a problem as Sally was. Even now she's causing people to harass Ian Flynn to bring her back only for her sex appeal when he's been very upfront about his inability to do so.
It says a lot that the thing I miss most about Sally is Nicole.
I can see them being playable cameo characters rather than being included in the cast. SRB2 Surge and Tangle look fun to play.
That ride opened a lot of eyes. She really is overblown as the "tactician" these people think the Sonic franchise needs.
>She's apparently suppose to be a computer whiz
>It's actually mostly Nicole doing that shit.
It was the TailsTube vtuber web series that confirmed this. The series is there to establish things about Sonic.
>Sally is supposedly a computer whiz
>Rotor is a master inventor/tinkerer
>Tails is a master inventor/tinkerer
How many fricking redundant OCs did Archie have, anyway?
Rotor barely did shit as is, even without SatAM and Archie being slow to catch on about Tails' genius/inventor deal which had been there from the beginning. Even AOSTH caught onto that eventually.
Ugh, at least they eventually killed off Tommy. Christ, Archie had an even more bloated cast than I remembered. I had fun with it during the ride, but I can't say that I'd be heartbroken if I never saw those characters again.
There was also Uncle Chuck and then Tommy Turtle was added to the mix as well for a time, making 5 characters with a similar quirk.
Archie never was supervised by SEGA, so of course it would get into a lot of problems and issues, including literally trying to take away the Sonic characters and shamefully turning it into a soap opera drama furhomosexualry. It's almost as if Archie never cared for Sonic. SEGA was right to finally cancel it all, the shitshow.
Good riddance. The only good thing to talk about Archie, is seeing how godawful are the unironic diaper homosexuals fans to it.
They DID stop Penders from legitimately killing off Sally during Endgame, which in retrospect never worked to their advantage and just ended up causing problems down the road.
I wonder why they did.
you can't just kill off Sonic's main b***h, only his main b***h metaphysical speaking (Robotnik)
It almost felt like they had more plans for her. But I can only think of that bizarre live action tour thing...what was it, Australia?
It was pre-Sonic Adventure, before Amy became the consistant female representation.
Sally was HUGE during the early Sonic years, at least in the US. Killing her off would have been as taboo as killing Tails or Knuckles would've been, so Sega likely foresaw the potential backlash and stepped in.
Still, it is odd that out off all the things that Penders did during his run, this was the thing Sega stopped. I guess maybe this was just the one time someone from the Archie offices actually reported to them.
>Sally was HUGE during the early Sonic years, at least in the US.
Isn't that pic of yours from Australia?
No, it was only because SoA still had hope she could still be relevant. Killing her off wouldn't impact the franchise, at all. The legends of the series were Sonic and Knuckles.
I HURT MYSELF TODAY
Right where she belongs.
This is misinformation. SEGA legit never, EVER supervised Archie.
Not true, and no, a troony's blog isn't a good source.
You're being so pathetically infantile, it hurts. Imagine my shock about an Archietard being a grown manbaby.
I love that more and more people realize just how awful Archie is. It really says that only morons loving the shit comic, has got their nostalgia blinding them.
You'd have more credibility in attacking Archie for its shitty OCs if you weren't so vigorous in your defense of IDW, which focuses so much on its shitty OCs that Sonic seems like a secondary character in his own comic.
The opposite. He has MORE credibility, because the IDW characters are canon, approved by SEGA and will be playable in a Sonic game soon. They are fun and fit into Sonic universe.
You are only saying this because you're most likely a closet Archiegay falseflagging as neutral.
Canon or not, the IDW OCs are mostly boring. The only ones that don't fill a role that the main cast could (if Sega would let them) are Starline, Surge, and Kit.
All the IDW characters were created as accordingly by SEGA, so they don't fill the roles of others, Archiecuck.
Doesn't stop Tangle from being the stand-in for Sonic because she can actually express emotions like doubt, uncertainty and regret unlike the locked-down Sonic.
>which focuses so much on its shitty OCs
IDW characters aren't shitty OCs. They actually look like actual Sonic characters.
So do the reboot freedom fighters, doesn't stop them from being superfluous as frick.
>So do the reboot freedom fighters
PFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
>doesn't stop them from being superfluous as frick.
They are perfectly fitting in their roles and bring good contribution to the cast.
>good contribution to the cast.
Yes. Otherwise, they wouldn't be as supervised and approved by SEGA. :^)
I sure do love reading about Belle figuring out that Eggman is her dad five times over instead of having Sonic go on adventures or something.
Still canon and better than The Slap.
>The Slap
The Slap was only one issue. Belle has wasted every scene she's in with her whining.
How much of a homosexual are you to unironically defend Archie? Unless you're Richmunk.
Why do you have a tsundere crush on Richard Kuta? He’s not going to frick you.
>So do the reboot freedom fighters
They never did look like Sonic characters, and never will. Let it go.
>doesn't stop them from being superfluous as frick.
They are not superfluous and it's obvious you're really mad.
So, are you AGAINST Archie and the Freedom Fighters or FOR them, you seem to flip flop just to be a contrarian.
He’s moronic and doesn’t know what superfluous means.
>I really hope we could have a Sonic game with NO Sonic.
We do.
It's called Knuckles Chaotix.
You could also count Tails Adventure and Tails Sky Patrol.
Oh shit they're still working on that? i remember playing it back in hs 6 years ago
>6 years ago
That's probably just a mod, but this game has near constantly been in development since 1998, anon.
Most comics were just their own universe.
For IDW, the games are canon to the comic but the comic is in a nebulous “take it or leave it” sort of optional canon to the games.
Surge and Kit in a game would be pretty neat.
based Boco
Surge is the best IDW OC by a country mile.
>Surge is the best IDW OC
Considering the competition, that's really not much of an accomplishment.
Also, I can't really agree. Like many IDW OCs, she has potential, but none of it has really worked out. She and Kit were rushed out so hard that they really barely left much of an impact, it only felt like they did because IDW staggered out the releases for so long and the fans built up all the hype for them. If you binge the issues all at once, Surge and Kit feel more like a momentary blip than anything.
>Considering the competition, that's really not much of an accomplishment.
Fair point, but Surge is an interesting idea with a good design, which is more than I can say for Belle.
>She and Kit were rushed out so hard that they really barely left much of an impact, it only felt like they did because IDW staggered out the releases for so long and the fans built up all the hype for them. If you binge the issues all at once, Surge and Kit feel more like a momentary blip than anything.
Well yeah, she wasn't gonna beat Sonic on her first try, but she's gonna be back with a new Super form in a couple issues and wreck shit. Issue #50 was just the beginning.
Issue 50 was being touted as a very big deal and got double the page length, that's not the ideal place for a "first meeting"
Surge and Kit should have done more shit prior to discovering their backstories didn't add up.
Well it wasn't just about first contact with Surge, it was also about Eggman taking out Starline.
>Surge and Kit should have done more shit prior to discovering their backstories didn't add up.
Maybe, but they'd seem like dunderheads if they were to happily leap into battle with a famous superhero like Sonic without first thinking about why.
>they'd seem like dunderheads if they were to happily leap into battle with a famous superhero like Sonic without first thinking about why.
It'd say more about Starline's incapability to consider such an obvious narrative plothole than them. We didn't have to know from the getgo that gayduck actually brainwashed them, they could have been presented as having legitimate grievances with Sonic and Tails such as the fact Sonic refuses to kill Eggman once and for all and they knew if they'd try he would try to stop them.
Surge and Kit's plot had potential, but it was half-baked at best, and now we're stuck with it.
Well I dunno, having more buildup to them would've been nice I guess, but I've been getting a little tired of the glacial pacing in IDW. The Metal Virus arc dragged on for like 15 issues and went nowhere.
>We didn't have to know from the getgo that gayduck actually brainwashed them, they could have been presented as having legitimate grievances with Sonic and Tails such as the fact Sonic refuses to kill Eggman once and for all and they knew if they'd try he would try to stop them.
Well they DO have legit grievances with Sonic and all. I just see the "brainwashing" as one further consequence of Sonic's letting Eggman, Starline, and Metal all go free.
Additionally, I'm interested to see where Surge goes in the future. A pissed-off new speedster with a Super-form is going to go interesting places.
Or maybe I'm just coping. I dunno.
There's a difference between "glacial pacing" and "nothing interesting is happening", and IDW is absolutely the latter, wasting everyone's time repeating Belle's "Eggman is my father" discovery and Sonic's "everything is your fault" deal. Releasing issues one at a time regardless of title isn't helpign either.
Yeah, if it had meant cutting Belle's crap and the Zombot arc, I'd have loved some more development for Surge and Kit.
Hell, I'd have loved cutting those arcs down even if Surge and Kit didn't get more development.
>She and Kit were rushed out so hard that they really barely left much of an impact
>IDW sisters... we lost
Still waiting for that issue 50 discussion thread that hasn't happened, but the little bickering I've noticed is autistic. People are unhappy that Sonic seems antagonistic and in wrong, somehow not understanding that its intentionally written for the reader to sympathize with Surge & Kit. You've read the spinoff, Sonic didn't.
And this poster I'm replying to, what? Rushed and barely left an impact? Starline's master plan has been teased for several arcs, so were Surge & Kit, and theres even been 2 whole spinoffs dedicated to build this up. And issue 50 was just the beginning, this arc just started. 2 issues into an arc thats at least 5 issues long.
And then theres people saying Surge & Kit jobbed because of Sega mandates for game characters never losing. Fricking hell. A lot of issue 50 is about Starline being absolute failure, including creating superior Sonic & Tails, who are too emotionally broken to function correctly. Surge is too much of an hothead, so Sonic keeps tripping her charges until she falls into a pit. And Kit has no ego and cannot handle strangers talking to him. Issue 50 is the hubris and end of Starline.
AND its not just that Sonic didn't read the Surge & Kit specials, but that he is supposedly a psychopath? This is isn't sudden development, this isn't new. IDW Sonic comic has been building this part of Sonic from the start. And its neither OC or insane. Its very basic non-lethal super hero sthick.
>Issue 50 is the hubris and end of Starline.
Issue 50 is the hubris of the writers thinking they're on the same page as the readers.
I don't know who you're insulting.
Surge and Kit being relegated to the Imposter Syndrome books before popping up in the main numbered entries was an absolutely asinine decision. They had absolutely zero build up before suddenly appearing in #50 besides a quick foreshadowing in that camping mini arc. I thought I missed an issue because the character profiles at the start of the issue was already treating them like recurring characters
i find kit, surge and starline the most likable out of the IDW OCs.
Why are people acting like they're dead?
The best OC was Starline.
On one hand, I want more Starline just because I enjoy him as a character. On the other hand, his death was a perfect end and him coming back as a villain to be stopped damns him to the same cycle he was trying to break. If the choice is between him returning as a recurring villain or him staying dead, I'd want him to stay dead. Though, him returning as a neutral party trying to find a new reason to live, perhaps learning to atone for his actions, could be interesting. Plus it would give Sonic an actual redeemed villain to support his worldview and morals for once in this goddamn comic.
Surge and Belle are the only IDW characters with an unique role in the universe, Surge is a teenager punk who likes to pick up fights, Belle is an unique benevolent creation from Eggman, the others are pointless and would have no place as constant side characters, maybe Whisper could work if you push her as some kind of metal gear like spy but even so Rouge is quite similar.
are you serious?
this is just evil sonic from the archie comics. even the name is similar. what a ripoff.
Yeah but now she's a hot punk tomboy, which makes her instantly best.
Isn't she supposed to be a short gremlin type?
No more than any other character, from what I can tell.
moron they're based off the same glitch. she's green sonic because of the games.
>implying
morons that write him badly don't count, Spidey's thing is he's a good person and doesn't like killing but certain characters certainly tempted him. carnage and Norman are like the biggest examples of people spidey has considered killing. like he did straight-up try to kill Norman at the end of clone saga and blew him up. he might get grossed out when he sees villians bite it but he's not going to like execute them while they're helpless. blaming bad guys for escaping more lies at the fault of comics being like a decades running medium and wanting to use reuse rhe same characters
At one point a team at Sega of America was developing a Sonic game set in SatAM, it was codenamed "Sonic Mars", there's low-quality footage available online. It wasn't a high speed platformer, and it was pretty slow.
When it was presented to Yuji Naka, he was thoroughly unimpressed, and the concept basically died right then and there.
Depends on your definitions of canon and games,
What game is this?
Sonic Robo Blast 2, an open source fangame that's frequently updated by fans with anything new that comes out in an official capacity.
Should it happen?
Starline already filled their fabtabulous quota. Odds are Clutch will take it on from here on out now that Starline's dead, until Evan decides it's time to bring him back.
Never assume a comic book character is dead unless we actually see the body
But what if it’s a genetically modified actress?
It should happen, but not for a while. IDW needs to develop the OCs it already has before introducing more new ones.
>Fleetway OCs never appeared in a game
'tis a right pain in the bum.
I wanna see Ebony done in this style. She looks great. Characters like Brutus and Metamorphia would be good, too.
some fanartist could tackle it, I'm surprised t hasn't be done already
That redesign was good but her personality is also a problem.
She was basically Dr Strange cat right?
Yeah. She also had a thing for the evil Fleetway Super Sonic.
No she didn't, anon.
That is a purely fanon ship, they never even hinted at any romance between the two in the comics. What are you on?
She tried to redeem him, but I thought it was somewhat hinted at that she liked him? I only read Fleetway through once when it was storytimed here though, so I could be wrong.
Maybe not romantically but she was a huge simp for him. He went insane three times and it took the third time for her to finally give up and have him merge with Sonic.
Sounds pretty damn romantic to me. I guess she's into dudes who bite.
Why do j*nnies, randomly delete sonic threads?
Not sure. Did the thread go to shit?
What board?
/co/
>So do the reboot freedom fighters
The Sonic fandom would literally improve ten times if we didn't had Archiegays in it.
Maybe read the rest of the post?
Maybe change your diapers?
What is with you and diapers? It’s fricking disturbing. The only reason to bring it up so much is that you clearly have a diaper fetish.
Unfortunately not, Penders strikes yet again.
Y'know, I know Whisper is kind of a stand-in for the Forces OC anyway, but I wonder if the IDW writers are allowed to establish a 'canon' Rookie/Buddy if the really want to.
Sega probably wouldn't be too keen on the idea.
That's what I figure, but I would totally be up to see the default glasses-wearing wolf show up sometime.
They wanna just forget Forces ever happened.
That's a bit incongruous with IDW being built on Forces as a foundation.
Well, too late to change that now. But going forward, Forces is just a bad memory.
You're not wrong, but Wispons are still a thing despite the fact Wisps themselves really shouldn't be by now.
All Forces did was provide a blank slate as a starting point. The biggest thing is that Eggman is missing. In fact, the comics can barely reference anything from Forces. Has Infinite or the phantom ruby even been referenced in the comics? I know they can't be used but not even a mention?
> I know Whisper is kind of a stand-in for the Forces OC
Elaborate on this.
Whisper IS supposed to be the Forces Buddy OC. She uses Wispons, her design was based on the Forces character creator, and she's barely audible.
I think I remember Ian mentioning that they couldn't use the promotional buddy characters/the wolf character.
My headcanon is that Surge is Scourge's daughter
Who did he anally rape and inadvertantly get pregnant through leakage to be her mom?
She’s a tenrec, an entirely different species
Hey kids. Wanna hear a joke? Dulcy
Hey, stop mocking victims of domestic abuse.
kek not even a redesign and personality overhaul could save Dulcy. Truly the worst Sonic character
There's just no way to make her look like she fits in the same series. A lot of them have that problem. Sonic and Tails are weird nudists compared to everyone else.
considering how much sonic autists go on about "this character doesn't fit in, that character doesn't fit in..." It's funny for Sega to go from Forces to Frontiers and just go "hey look a human e-girl" and she ends up looking more natural next to Sonic than fricking Infinite or all the Avatar furries.
Sally was one of the 4 most important copyrights in the sonic brand for sega at the time yeah. she was literally right up there with sonic, tails, and robotnik. zoomers and younger foreigners actually completely lack context for what the 90's and 00's were like for the franchise in america.
do you really think there weren't even more pitches at games that included american minted sonic characters? this is just what we KNOW about. there are probably at least 10 other games across the years that had sally's name on the design document. Frick they almost rebranded popful mail as a fricking sonic game about his sister or whatever.
I just wanna make sure everyone knows so they can watch out for pajeet and his low quality posts.
honestly i'm fine with new stuff involving as many old characters as they want. megaman battle network started throwing in megaman x characters and no one complained. it's not like it hurts the integrity of a franchise to redesign an old character as a reference. frick sake do zoomers not know what fan service is? I know they all chopped off their dicks because their feminist mommies hate when boys are boys, but is the new generation really this toxic?
yeah I'll frick her, both versions in fact
With Frontiers coming around Christmastide SEGA wants to promote the game by having a tie-in comic starring their answer to Midna
On the one hand the tie-in comics aren't forced to interrupt the plot but with IDW they can't be part of the main series. Early Archie just did them as specials and was able to use anything from it later if they wanted, middle Archie had the Adventure games forced on them which messed things ups, and then Ian just wrote them as non-canon stories. IDW could sure use something from Frontiers to add to it.
I don't even remember how Archie worked Shadow and Rouge into their continuity.
A half-assed adaption of Sonic Adventure 2. It was cut short in the comic and told you to "Go buy the game!". Tails, Knuckles, and Amy weren't involved in the events. And context was only provided when Flynn took over.
>It was cut short in the comic and told you to "Go buy the game!". Tails, Knuckles, and Amy weren't involved in the events
How stupid do you have to be to pass up an obvious tie-in, and a free story to tell?
SA and SA2 weren't popular with the Archie writers because information was scarce, introduced massive changes, and were forced onto the main canon by Sega. While they could've done a better job, it's understandable why the just wanted to get it over with.
At the time, Knuckles was all powerful, omnipotent, and green. Kinda impossible to adapt SA2 when he's like that.
>Knuckles was all powerful, omnipotent, and green.
You didn't need to say it three times, you know.
Archie Sonic's lore just didn't mesh well with the Adventure games, largely due to the fact that they had to explain why suddenly there were humans with a functioning military when the comic had established that Robotnik and Snivley were the only ones because of aliens and gene bombs and a bunch of other nonsense. So they said all of Sonic Adventure takes place inside of a mountain with a secret society of humans that avoided the aliens and gene bombs which made zero sense given the sheer scope of it and then by the time SA2 rolled around at the speed of sound it was just not something they could do believably.
It was a means to an end just to do what Sega wanted. After all that mess was done, everyone just went ahead like nothing had happened but GUN and humans existed now. Although they were overlanders until the reboot got rid of all that.
That doesn't make it any less of a mess.
It's not archie's fault though; it's just original sin carry over from the dic cartoon doing whatever the frick it wanted.
Welcome to the world of messy mandates interfering with comic runs. It happens when synergy rears its ugly head. It's best to just forget that it happened and move on.
Now granted I haven't actually watched SatAM but I was always under the impression that the show was just episodic freedom fighter stuff and most of the moronic lore was Penders's creation.
It's sort of both. Penders added a bunch of nonsense he got from Star Trek reruns but SatAM didn't really give a shit about the games either and got a lot of its character and setting designs from Don Bluth's garbage bin.
More telling than demon Robotnic IMO is the fact that Sally was a human at one point. And pretty much just Daphne from Dragon's Lair. Which is why I laugh at guys like
that claim she totally started out as a game character.
Rewrite the wiki
SatAM is various adventures in trying to get rid of Robotnik and involved a lot of Macguffins. Surprisingly enough they actually get rid of Robotnik in the finale while setting up Snively and Naugus as the villains for season 3 which never happened.
>Although they were overlanders until the reboot got rid of all that.
No no no! See, overlanders and humans coexist, it's just that overlanders have four-fingered hands while humans have five!
Frick, Archie lore is fricking stupid. That reboot needed to happen way earlier.
>overlanders have four-fingered hands while humans have five!
That wasn't even consistent. The Robotniks were overlanders in the preboot.
Archie also began just calling overlanders humans too.
>when the comic had established that Robotnik and Snivley were the only ones
Robotnik and Snively were Overlanders and there was a whole race of them.
There's really no reason to do a tie-in arc for that many months, especially considering at the time Sega's lifeline was fading away.
Sally started out as Ricky from the games but is now considered a separate character.
Sally shares frick all with Ricky beyond species so that is a huge coping reach.
How?
Why the frick do you want more Sonic games made?
You guys talk about SatAM and Archie as if they just murdered your families and loved ones.
I talk about them like that uncle you like hanging out with but they got that fricked up past you pretend never happened. Then he gets gunned down in the streets. And you sit there and reminisce about the fun times, not so much that time he beat up that hobo that owed him money.
It's one anon who won't shut up about pancakes.
Its never fleetway isn't it? I wonder why
European stuff never counts.
StC is too based for such autism
Also this is a burger website and StC is niche as frick
People only care about schizo Super Sonic.
Fleetwaygays moved on and stayed in their lane. I think they still mourn that they couldn't at least get a Sonic Adventure 2 adaption before the plug was pulled.
Fleetway was based and well-written, that's why.
>no relationshit drama
>only a few OCs, focus was always on Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and Amy
>Sonic is competent and endearingly obnoxious
>Knux is likable and competent
>crazy dimension-hopping and pirates and cool new villains like Brutus and Metamorphia
>they actually try to capture Robotnik
>based Grimer is actually loyal, unlike Snively and Gayline
FleetwayCHADs stay winning.
its just /sthg/ shitposters trying to ruin threads
Talk about rent fricking free.
The Cosmo moron avatargay can be traced back into /sthg/, so...
I hope they do a full Tails/Rouge teamup issue down the line.
So that I can touch myself to it.
So far just gacha alts in the gacha game.
God I'm sick of generic Chinese culture skins, red envelopes and year of the [shitty animal].
I don't mind them, mostly because I find chinese dress really sexy
But the moon
>japan pandering to the chinese
Isn't that illegal for them?
Game's made in the US
Is Starline actually dead for real? My friend just said Ian confirmed it on a podcast.
IIRC Ian said that he has no further plans for Starline, but since Evan is taking over it's possible he could come back.
Hope that he actually returns, since his death was anticlimatic and seemed like a fake out
While I think Starline getting absolutely BTFO by Eggman and then dying while having a mental breakdown is an appropriate end for him, it does feel like there were some loose ends and setup for more with him that never got addressed. Maybe Evan has future plans and wanted some things added that she can use later. But Ian finished the story he wanted to tell: There's only room for one Eggman.
Ian says so. Evan could always bring him back, and Ian is open to it "if there is fan demand".
Is like if you guys never read any comics, is kinda rare in western comics characters stay death permanently at all.
Of course he will be back. He one of the glitch trio too.
What an undignified end. ngl I wanted to see him win, we keep seeing the same "villain trying to usurp Eggman" storyline and the only one who succeeded was Enerjak.
Starline was always doomed to fail. I was just expecting him to readjust and limp off to fight another day. Not completely shut down and get killed off (for now).
If Ian's done with him he's dead in my mind. I mean when he comes back it will be like that time the og Robotnik came back.
Snively also died. Eggman is a mass-murderer but it seems disloyal henchmen live a particularly dangerous existence.
>If Ian's done with him he's dead in my mind. I mean when he comes back it will be like that time the og Robotnik came back.
Characters can have a second life with another writer. I was more interested in Starline when he first appeared and was fighting with his own stuff. The whole thing with him using Eggman's stuff to fight him was lame and he got smacked for it. Maybe Evan brings him back and gets the Bad Guys back together. I know Starline screwed them all over but this was the last time he felt interesting.
>What an undignified end.
That's the natural conclusion to a character that puts their all into being "better" than a character they are not allowed to surpass both in a narrative and meta sense. He was always doomed to fail.
>ngl I wanted to see him win
Any win would have been shortly undone as #175 showed us.
Why did the IDW comic seem to start with very strong implications that it took place right after Forces, but has now apparently dropped any sort of game synergy? Did plans change?
If they did, it's very unfortunate that they just happened to try and use one of the dumber games story wise as a spring board.
Pray tell, what Sonic games have come out since Forces for them to base the comic on?
Because the only game to come out since was Team Racing, which got its own one shot.
That's not it. They have explicitly stated that they aren't going to do Frontier stuff, despite it looking like there's quite a lot going on story wise.
They might loosely adapt it. Or not, since the comic continuity is too different. That'd be better than bending over backwards to make it fit like Archie used to.
>They might loosely adapt it
A lot of time will have to pass before that can happen. Ian already said that Frontiers is off limits to the comics.
>That'd be better than bending over backwards to make it fit like Archie used to.
They had to. Sega mandate.
It kinda of looks like if they don't adapt it now, it's just not going to fit into continuity. I think Forces jut happened to be where the planets aligned for the game continuity and IDW continuity and now they are going back to being separate things.
>I think Forces jut happened to be where the planets aligned for the game continuity and IDW continuity
The IDW comics were made with Forces in mind to promote brand synergy
Yeah, and it looks like they aren't doing it for Frontier.
Which is too bad, Sage looks cool.
Sega told them they can't use the other games. It's post-Forces in the loosest sense possible.
Surge is a joke
She dresses the same way I do so she's basically my self-insert.
>He actually self inserts as Surge
kek
No, stupid, I said she dresses the same way I do. She's self-inserting as me.
Hitting her won't SHITnic right. Surge is absolutely correct about his faux-moralism and his apathetic attitude toward murderous supervillains.
>IMMA KILL EVERYTHING ADN EVERY BECAUSE I'M MAD!!!
>"Y'know she has a point..."
No she doesn't.
>IMMA KILL THE butthole WHO BRAINWASHED ME, THE butthole WHO KEEPS WRECKING THE PLANET, AND THE butthole THAT KEEPS LETTING THE OTHER TWO OFF THE HOOK!!
Surge did nothing wrong.
>sonic let mr. tinker remain in a village and nobody was around to keep an eye on him
>sonic allowed metal sonic to go free
>metal gets eggman's memories back
>sonic blames metal towards the end of the metal virus arc
>sonic disappears and eggman tries to kill everyone while they're having a party
>sonic returns and lets eggman leave
>surge has pointed out that eggman and starline need to be dealt with and sonic has been their enabler
>sonic replies that he is giving them chances to change their ways
So everyone gets to go to jail but if you have a doctorate, you get to go scot free? Rough and Tumble? Jail. Mimic? Jail. Zavok? Jail. Eggman? Oh, he's just misunderstood, he'll turn good one day. We just have to wait until he stops trying to kill everyone.
We've known that. Without going 2 on 1 against Metal, she was losing. Of course she has no chance 1 on 1 against the real Sonic.
>That official Roblox Sonic thing lets you play as Amy in a bikini
what the frick is happening
Why?
There all in the porn canon and that's what really matters
Surge...
>I'm glad i stopped reading before they turned the funny joke (Anti-Sonic) into a try hard OC. That shit woulda made me cringe out of my boots when I was in my 20's.
He's the exact same character, but green
he was a gag that you didn't have to take seriously and was just there for one off stories for fun. the joke was that it was just star trek mirror universe. making him into a unique green oc is cringe. ESPECIALLY the fact that he's a recolor.
They dropped the gag aspect of it long before the Scourge change, way back when the comic was dropping the gag stories in favor of more dramatic and serious ones. The Antis last stories before Scourge was romance drama shit and attempted murder
What I find funny is that for the longest time people were saying it was too soon and Surge/Kit should have more clashes with Sonic/Tails. Post 50 and people are now saying that her losing her first encounter with Sonic was anticlimatic.
Yeah, this is obviously just a little taste of what's to come. I guess people were expecting more from the big issue 50, but it looks like the main event was supposed to be Starline dying, more than just Surge's big unveiling.
>I guess people were expecting more from the big issue 50
This is why I hate milestones
Yeah, they get everyone hyped up for something crazy, and they usually don't deliver. Comics should just ignore them, honestly.
>her losing her first encounter with Sonic was anticlimatic.
it was obvious, needing to 2v1 vs fricking metal jobber basically guarenteed that she was gonna lose versus sonic
it was a low diff too, sonic wasnt taking her seriously at all
>When people jack off to porn, they're not jacking off to the character's PERSONALITY, idiot.
Only the 2nd line and you prove yourself a dumbass.
Are you over 50 or something? Porn of a character always get better once you know the character, their personality, their quirks, etc. Thinking it begins and ends with just the design just shows how much of a fricking plebeian you are.
Le evil sonic #78 is not unique or a personality. The only evil sonic that have fans is Shadow. Everybody else is just and inferior copy, you filthy coomer.
>Shadow
>Evil
Shadow is not and never was evil.
He tried to destroy the world becuase the government killed his friend.
I'm not the one who brought up shitty porn takes.
>MARIA
Metal is the best because 90% he doesn't talk so writers can't give him awful dialogue so he speaks entirely through his actions. All killer, no filler.
Shadow just needs a replacement Maria. Like with Hope in Archie.
No, he actually does not, homosexual. That's disrespectful to SA2 in its entirety.
And the rest of the franchise isn't?
tbh the real issue is that nobody gives a shit about Gerald Robotnik or Maria outside of Shadow and maybe Eggman so like every other appearance can't focus on his issues with SA2/Shadow the Hedgehog but instead on him becoming his own person and making friends which like is interesting in its own right I guess but he never did really work out his problems so he's more or less just a surly friend. Like if Knuckles is Piccolo then Shadow is Vegeta who never had his whole Maijin moment where he actually uses his underlying resentment for anything.
i don't want me porn to have a backstory, moron. you might be a simp, but i'm not.
if i wanted to get to know someone i'd date them, if i just want to jack off i just want to look at breasts and asses until i cum. homosexual.
Like I said, a plebeian.
jesus fricking christ you might be the gayest Black person on the board.
You're certainly the most boring I've ever seen.
The frick does this have to do with respect? Don't jump into shit you have no idea about.
"Don't jump into shit you have no idea about." Holy shit you don't speak english. that's not a sentence. stop sucking amy rose's trans dick for one second you fricking freak.
It's my fault you can't read?
I can read just fine. "Don't jump into shit you have no idea about." just isn't a proper sentence. You're mixing up tense. It's literally just typed WRONG. You typed it wrong because you don't know English and just use a translator app!
>I can read just fine.
Apparently not since you're sperging about a simple sentence. Your autism is just flaring up today, huh?
"Unlike you plebeians, I RESPECT WOMEN when I jack off to them!!!"
Lol homosexual holy shit
>"no no, girls get amy, amy is docile and stays in the background, where women belong."
I think that's a little much. Amy appealed to girls in Japan and I just don't think Sega of Japan really understood why Sega of America needed Sally when there was a character they made that could, in their eyes, appeal to girls. But the reality is at the time Sally better fit Sonic's image outside of Japan. She wasn't a frilly pink girl like Amy. She could be portrayed with attitude just like Sonic, and that attitude was SoA's entire marketing campaign. And while I really don't care about Sally (I last watched SatAM when it was airing and I have no interest in going back.) I do think SoJ shot themselves in the foot by pushing against her or a character like her because when Adventure debuted a large portion of Sonic's fanbase fricking hated her and so they just continued to change Amy more and more each game to appeal to the west. It isn't like she was anything special before but at this point she's just a snarky generic action girl who maybe references she has a crush on Sonic once a game. Had Adventure been remade like rumored, her entire story would have been overhauled because that character isn't Amy Rose anymore and it wasn't character development it was because Sega played damage control all through the modern era. She pretty much became the character they didn't want and just letting SoA establish that character from the get go would have prevented that and allowed for Amy grow as her own character. And that character didn't have to be Sally either. SoA tried multiple times to pitch a character to play that role SoJ just didn't care.
Amy's such a noncharacter. It was fun while it lasted when you could play as her but she was Sonic's fangirl that never graduated to being an actual love interest. And her character never really went further than that. And when Sega finally gave Sonic a love interest, it was Elise. And the two actually good versions of Amy? Fleetway Amy because she got over her crush from Sonic and became a tomboy leader that went on dimension hopping adventures with her "good" friend Tekno. And Sonic Boom Amy who was still obsessed over Sonic but had a lot more going for her and Sonic liked her as well. What did game Amy get? A pity date from Sonic that never happened.
>And when Sega finally gave Sonic a love interest, it was Elise.
That was just as one-sided as Amy and ended up killing romance for Sonic altogether.
Amy's potential in the games got fricking shafted early on. Adventure 2 and Unleashed kind of implied she's the mom friend to some degree, outside of her fanboyism over Sonic she was the type of character that would sit down next to you and ground you, not by scolding you, but by encouraging you to be introspective.
Then she got reduced to just her crush on Sonic, and then they cucked her out of getting any kind of affection coming from him.
>"Don't do this! I'm the only one who knows your pasts! The only one who can maintain your enhancements!"
>>>>Only one who can maintain your enhancements
So are we gonna see Surge and Kit quite literally break down?
Possibly. They may approach Eggman for help, or Tails even. That could be interesting.
I don't know why, but I kinda picture them having fits like that one Lilo and Stitch sequel where Stitch is glitching out and nearly fricking dies
Does "canon" mean
>I want SEGA to ruin this character beyond recognition
Because if so, you have very weird wants for your supposed favorite OC.
No it means "me liking this character is validated".
Ushually, schizos, wanting SEGA to use anything, OCs or their own, means they will literally rape everything you liked about them into oblivian. If you actually cared at all about the gamer side of Sonic, You'd realize just how toxic of an idea it is to want SEGA to use your shitty OCs in a """story""" or even worse, a game that plays like dogshit, making moe and more journos call Sonic's shitty friends even more shitty, all because you homosexuals can't just make a simple mod to reskin Sonic's model with your OC.
At least some of you homosexuals got a brain to make one in OP, just know your place and keep SEGA away from your shit, or face the consequences.
what the frick run-on garbage sentence did you just type, pajeet? "It's not my fault you can't read" yes it is your fault because you're the one who typed it without understanding the language it's being fed out into.
I don't give a frick about sonic games anymore. These boost homosexual games and meta meme shit games don't fricking matter. Frick you and frick your games.
Putting Tangle in them isn't any different than putting Sally in them. No one fricking cares.
People know Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Robotnik. You're not saving Sonic by gatekeeping characters from one comic in favor of another and calling them "OC's". No one cares about the IDW comics and no one cares about Cream the fricking Rabbit or Zavok.
Sonic is over. It died in 2002 when the Dreamcast did. It's just been a 20 year funeral march.
>S-Sonic is dead!
Games, comics, and shows will still come out with his name on it and make loads of money while you seethe. Sonic will probably live longer than you.
Yeah but it won't matter. Sonic is a bargain bin franchise that no one respects. SA2 was at least a world class release. Sonic Frontiers AND Origins are getting universally shit on. The only reason no one's shitting on the IDW comics is because no one reads them! (Issue 50 was fricking terrible visually and from a writing angle)
care to quote any post that did that, or are you just gonna copypasta your pajeet shit?
Anything can happen. People never thought characters like Mighty or Fang would show up in a Sonic game again and here we are with Sonic Mania. As Ian Flynn pointed out, the inclusion of Mt. Mobius opens the door for him to pitch specific things to Sega. Remember when Forces aesthetic hit and it seemed like that's what the comics and games were going to go with from now on? Here comes Sage, a e-girl human who fits in more next to Sonic than Infinite and all the Avatar Furries that Forces could muster. Fans trying to take ownership over the series and proclaim "This is what Sonic is." is never not gonna be cringe. Sonic eating Chilidogs was a western cartoons/comics thing until he started chowing down in Sonic & The Black Knight. Don't let Pajeet bring you down. He doesn't know jack shit and he can't even articulate properly.
>SA2 was at least a world class release.
The entire fanbase did not like SA2. More overall liked SA1, but even everyone in the fanbase did not like SA1 either.
The fanbase fricking worships the Adventure games, especially SA2 even though SA was a better game.
That's because the loudest asswipes of the 2000s era are Nintendogays.
that's not what i said, I said that it was the last time a sonic game was a world class title instead of being a laughing stock that gaming audiences endlessly dab on.
You sound so desperate.
You both are weird and could use a timeout
no one cares about sonic canon (Which essentially ended after SA2)
people like fanservice. just ask every other fanbase on the fricking planet. you just sound like a fricking bozo when you throw the word canon around like it means anything. do you even know what it means? Do you speak-a da English senor?
>Muh validated
What are you, a zoomer?
>Spend 20 minutes talking about hydrocity pronunciation
This is why people mock sonic fans.
Yuji Naka shutting all that shit down with a simple tweet was based as hell. I fricking hate Sonic tubers like I hate minorities, zoomers, and women.
I mean it's kinda interesting in a "Why are we like this" kinda way.
I'd say what makes us look worse is the fricking salt that occurs whenever a new Sonic whatever comes out. So many people in the fanbase are well in their 30's and they still attach their whole identity to the series like if they were little kids, having an emotional breakdown everytime a new release is mediocre (which is 99% of the time).
I want new Sonic things to be good but I want Sega and Sonic Team to fail because they've screwed up so many other good things about Sonic.
Someone break out the meds for this poor guy.
"Break out the meds" is weak english too. You really have nothing except catch phrases and words you don't understand. This is why your country was conquered by Britain. You're too stupid to realize when we're enslaving your dumb asses. Go back to bathing in manure and leave Sonic Comics to people who matter.
>putting in surge the jobber
>SatAM before Sonic CD
yes
>dulcy is a spyro reject
how about no. you just abandoned chronology. satam was something like 1993, spyro wasn't until 1998. if any thing, spyro is a dulcy reject
i was talking about the weird reboot dulcy being a spyro reject. your translator failed you because in that sentence i'm saying "The redesign just makes her look like a spyro reject". Why do you even reply to these threads? You're not appreciated.
>damage control
You can literally go back to my old post and read it and it says the same thing. Oh wait, you can't. You use a fricking translation app. That's why no one is on your side.
>Literally whining about Sega not putting Sally in the games ITT.
Christ, get over it.
I mean, us as a fandom are known for having so many people to whom the phrase "get over it" will never register.
But on a semi-related note: It does suck Sally and the rest of the Archie characters just won't ever see the light of day again. That said, though, getting upset over IDW characters making it to games just doesn't make sense. If anything, I'm happy that we're not just going through the same shit again.
Honey
Why is Surge so bullyable?
Bad girls need to be punished.
>TFW you'll never spank surge until she cries and leave her tied up with a vib all night
Why live?
I want to see Surge cry
>Sonic is so eevul!
All he did was "It's my purse! I don't know you!"
All he did was say “I don’t care how many people die from me protecting Eggman, I’m the only person that matters. Only what I want matters! Me! Me! Me!”
Careful with that headfanon, you're at your LIMIT
Literally what he said, moron. When presented with the fact he protected Eggman and allowed everything that had happened since to occur, Sonic had zero counterargument whatsoever, instead just self-centredly parroting his own wants and ignoring the fact all the casualties fell on his hands.
Are you saying Sonic a 13 year old should publicly execute Eggman in front of everybody and make a speech about how he is the law?
Reminder that Fleetway Sonic loves Kintobar so much he would never think of killing Robotnik and his greatest hope is that he becomes good. And what does that Sonic do? Puts him jail. Twice. Robotnik actually loses and his empire is barely held together by Grimer when he disappears.
IDWbros...it's FRICKING over the FleetwayCHADs have outdone us in every way!!
ROBOTNIKBROS
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF FLEETWAY
it's Sonic the Comic, not Fleetway you dumb zoomers
>noooooo you can't refer to the comic by its publisher!
It's Sonic the Hedgehog, not Archie you dumb zoomers.
It's Sonic the Hedgehog (2018), not IDW
It’s Sonic the Hedgehog, not Sonic SatAm dumb zoomer.
Should he have killed Surge to show he's No More Mr. Nice Guy, then? Surge was arguing that Sonic doesn't do enough to stop the bad guys. She made it clear she's a bad guy too, and she had intentions to hurt others. She tried to goad Sonic into killing her. Sonic said he doesn't want to do that, and you're upset with his response. Did you want Surge dead? If not, what did you want Sonic to do?
>what did you want Sonic to do?
Admit fault in protecting Eggman instead of sticking his fingers in his ears like an immature child who's too vain to accept when they did something wrong.
Letting Surge fall or not, protecting Eggman was wrong and Sonic's a self-centred moron for caring about his own fragile ego over all the lives he condemned by protecting him.
Really the whole problem with IDW comics trying to analyze why Sonic keeps letting his villains go is that there's a suspension of disbelief that just isn't there because we KNOW these characters.
Framing Sonic as a redeemer type hero isn't inherently bad as a concept, the problem is that we the audience KNOW it's pointless. We KNOW Eggman will never become a permanent good guy, we KNOW Zavok is absolutely going to rain hell down on Sonic later on, so his insistence on "I can fix them!!" comes across as frustratingly pointless. These are established franchise villains, they're NEVER going to change so we can't root for Sonic to get through to them the way say, Tails managed to talk Kit down.
IDW keeps having characters point out that Sonic is accountable by proxy for letting them continue their reign of terror and they've not really done anything with it besides "I am the main character so I'm right"
The way it's coming across, IDW Sonic is turning into what people always said Steven Universe was
There's a sad irony to Movie Sonic wanting to be like Batman. IDW Sonic is becoming Batman with his moral code, just without the nuance.
At least batman puts his villains in an institution, inept as it might be.
>There's a sad irony to Movie Sonic wanting to be like Batman. IDW Sonic is becoming Batman with his moral code, just without the nuance
Batman torture people, Sonic is Spider-Man
Spider-man can pull off the redemption of villains thing - and honestly, in some cases Batman can too - when their villains are just compulsive bank robbers and theatrical crooks. People who are just serial thieves and vandals and shit like that can be redeemed a lot more easily than genocidal maniacs.
>Spider-man can pull off the redemption of villains thing
Spider-Man saved Carnage life 2 times, Carnage who is a serial killer who killed at the very least hundreds and almost destroyed the the planet twice by now, a guy that is impossible to imprision due to symbiotes constantly returning to their owners.
In my defense, I said Spider-man CAN pull it off, because MANY of his villains are petty crooks. Or at the very least, it's not as offensive when it clearly isn't going to work.
Naturally there's going to be exceptions.
Keeping Cletus alive might well be better for the planet in the long run. Cletus died before Absolute Carnage, and it only let Carnage carry on hostless and free of Clete's small mindedness. Now it's by itself, it's absorbed the powers of multiple villains (that it murdered) and is looking likely to become the next ruler of Hel.
Maybe we should have kept Cletus alive and only sacrificed a few localised lives because whatever Carnage is planning, it's going to be a hell of a lot worse.
>It killed spot
Unforgivable.
Nice try but Cletus almost destroyed the world and will try again if they even find another way like corrupting a reality warper or stealing a mcguffin, just like they spared Octopus after they almost destroyed the world as well, Osborn is another one.
Spider-Man is the ultimate no kill rule extremist
That bent-over Shadow in the first panel is suspiciously well-drawn.
>Surge comes back
>Decides to take Starline's "replace the hero" idea
>Hijacks some big TVs or something and announces to the world she's going to be a better hero than Sonic by killing Eggman and dealing with him permanently
>Sonic of course won't stand for this
>Sonic stops her from taking him out and Eggman gets away
>Surge reveals that's exactly what she wanted and the whole thing was broadcasted
>Everyone has seen Sonic would rather spare the life of the maniac who keeps trying to enslave them and stop someone else from putting an end to things just so HE can be the hero and decide what's right and wrong
>Everyone not in Sonic's friend circle now turns against him and things proceed with Sonic now having VERY bad publicity and thinking Surge is a better hero
That's where you go with this
This is where you'd THINK the plot would go if not for Sega's mandates.
But I'd also ask any of the nameless populace who'd go as far as to really kill Eggman themselves, to stoop down to his level. Odds are none of them would be able to do it, not even Whisper.
>implying Whisper wouldn't wanna
she'd have to get talked out of it via Tangle.
>Sonic's friends turn against him, even Amy
>and now he actually has to PROVE he's a "don't care about what everyone else thinks about me I go my own way" kinda character
>because for the first time in his existence the entire cast aren't clapping their hands like seals in approval at everything he does or says with japanese corporate guns pressed to their heads
How would Eggman dying have stopped Starline from Mindrapeing Surge? She was being a hysterical b***h. Basically everyone would have told her to frick off like Sonic did.
No Eggman = No Metal Virus = No Surge
Starline would still have his hypnotism glove. She’d still exist but be less durable I guess.
Starline only created them in the first place to get back at Eggman for breaking up with him. No Sonic = No Eggman = No Starline 'take me back' plot
Starline would just find a new reason to make them. Why are you putting all the blame on Eggman and Sonic instead of gay duck?
?He wouldn't?? Dumbass???
The Watsonian, In-Universe reason they were made by Starline was to get revenge on Eggman. Eggman is only alive because of Sonic. Metal Sonic only came back because of Sonic. Starline only sought revenge on Eggman because Sonic protected Eggman in the first place. Surge blames Starline as well, adn Eggman - she said this herself. But Sonic has to also be held accountable for a moronic, self-centred idiot.
>why doesn’t sonic stop eggman?
>BRO ARE YOU SAYING THAT SONIC SHOULD KILL EGGMAN?!?!
>no but sonic has done multiple things that have allowed eggman to continue terrorizing—
>I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU WANT SONIC TO KILL EGGMAN
>same thread every fricking time
>bawwww I want my waifu to be more canon!!!
coomers are the cancer that killed this site
You don’t know what true cancer is. There’s a hyper autist that haunts /sth/ and any Sonic thread on Cinemaphile. If he knew of this thread’s existence, he would sperg out on a colossal scale. He hates anything that doesn’t come directly from the Sonic games themselves and will flood the thread with green text spam and autism as soon as a comic/cartoon character is brought up. I’m kind of surprised this thread has lasted without his noticing.
>surge: my life was ruined because of eggman, starline, and you!
>sonic: i don't even know who you are
When are they going to reveal that Sonic is an Eggman sleeper agent and that everything Sonic does is to allow Eggman to continue threatening the world while also opposing him? Eggman gets pushed to his limits and he gets to continue THE GAME with his greatest ally, Sonic the Hedgehog.
kek
>sonic pulls a goku
this writing is spectacular, guize
Despite how bad Sonic has been in IDW, AT LEAST he hasn't given Eggman a senzu bean. At the very worst he let Metal go which is close to revitalizing an enemy.
The only characters I want are the ones that look like they'd be fun to play as, or against.
Tangle looks like she'd be fun to play,
Surge and Kit would probably have fun boss battles. You could even do an "and knuckles" with playable surge probably.
I can see how sniperwolf would play but I doubt I'd have any fun with her. Starline is whatever. Rough and Tumble are fine I guess. I have no attachment to archie or the freedom fighters.
A fight against Whisper would probably be like the Xigbar fight in Kingdom Hearts 2.
I really don't know if I like that idea or not.
Oh boy, I can't wait for another "Eggman is imprisoned" plot! Certainly it'll work THIS time and he won't escape through some bullshit.
>even sonic x putt his eggman in jail
Honestly this just makes IDW look even worse.
The problem is twofold. Eggman and Sonic duo is about action and reaction. If Eggman isn't written well enough, no shit Sonic doesn't work as a result and looks forced to you whiners. But why think about that when you can mindlessly compare without context?
You just don’t get it. IDW Sonic is literally the laziest and most enabling Sonic. Every other Sonic has put in work to stop Eggman to some degree. People just want an attempt. Even if Eggman breaks out then at least Sonic did his job.
What sort of moron thinks this is bad? At least it shows that Sonic fricking tries instead of letting him get away.
If Sonic puts the villains in jail, then the fault is shifted to the prison for being shitty. If Sonic just lets them get away, the fault is squarely his.
Was this what Ian wanted? People pointing out that Sonic enables villains to screwing over and even killing others? And Sega signed off on this and now they’re caught supporting the worse interpretation of Sonic?
In SEGA’s eyes, it’s better for the entire fanbase to think Sonic’s shitty than for Ian to ever compromise Sonic’s “deep and wise philosophy”
Shadow is less psychotic than Sonic.
But frustratingly less adaptable.
Don't worry, IDW compensated by making him twice as moronic.
>Give Sonic a flaw or mantra without changing his character, so the main character can be interesting
>Fans get frustrated that because the nature of the medium, Sonic cannot be fixed
The problem is autism. Just let it be. It gives Sonic character development, or rather tests it. Most of the villains still end up in jail. I don't even think its a flaw since its so basic, but let's say it is a flaw, then is it Sonic's responsibility to act as the judge & executioner? I don't think so. Its the same when people question why won't Batman just kill Joker. Batman doesn't have the authority, nor really any authority. He is a random civilian that just happens to arrive to crime scenes and perform vigilance.
okay but can he at least just put Eggman in prison and try to get people to rehabilitate them? Like we're not saying sonic has to murder anyone. Just fricking detain Eggman. It's not like there isn't Prisons on NotMobius or whatever this planet is called. Like the zombot plague, forces and god knows what else should have been enough for Sonic to at least get Eggman.
God I hate knull shit, like did we have to make the symbiotes go from aliens to evil god creatures.
Being fair norman has like stashes of his shit all over the city, its why hobgoblin kept raiding stuff. Norman probably slipped into one of his hideouts.
Ehhhh it’s still hard to believe. It’s an open and empty street and only Peter was stunned and Miguel was distracted for a split second. But the most damning thing is that they don’t even chase after him or run to see where he could be.
thats just lazy writing not the character's fault.
I’m reminded of when Peter and Miguel somehow allowed a depowered Norman to escape. And even then it was more than what IDW Sonic has ever done.
>I really want the comic to be canon to the games.
Why? The games are dogshit. Spinoff media is the only place Sonic is ever good.
>I really want the comic to be canon to the games.
homosexuals who fixate on what is or isn't canon are the worst part of any fandom.
imagine if mario people were like this about what is and isn't canon.
At least one rather famous one is.
SatAM was a DiC cartoon, just like the Super Mario Brothers and Legend of Zelda cartoons, and even further removed from its source material than they were.
Anyone still a torch for Archie is literally Dobson tier.
samus's hair wasn't even green in the ending lol
Keep baiting and putting up new facades as many times as you want, but you will never be the Barneygay/convince others to join your autistic crusade against a fricking children comic book or show. Return to /sthg/.
Don't reply. Ignore and report.
oh my god pajeet you literally just copy paste replies. you can't read what we're saying. you're literally the one people should ignore in the thread.
What? I'm literally just circling out an obvious baiter.
the person i'm replying to isn't baiting. he didn't draw that comic. that's why i'm making fun of you, pajeet. you can't understand CONTEXT.
That wouldn't be too hard because there's so much content to work with nobody would really complain if Mario Party 12 or whatever wasn't canon. The worst is when you have a series that barely has any content and people are desperately trying not to disregard nearly half of it as non-canon.
IDW series started with Eggman being out of commission, which did nothing to stop Eggman's forces from continuing their operations. Putting Eggman in jail is not a simple solution.
The current solution is that if he does something stupid, Sonic is going to kick him until he stops. On smaller scale it makes sense, but since Sonic is super, the grand scale is small to him. Eggman trying to conquer the world and enslave everyone is no more serious than taking candy from a baby, so he gets a slap on the wrist.
Surge assumes that she either volunteered or was kidnapped by Starline to be turned into killer. But part of their creation required fur sample from Tails, which Tails brings up when asking Kit if Starline did something to him. Chao Races & Badnik Bases was originally written for Team Dark, but Shadow got replaced by Amy. That didn't change too much, since Shadow was still brought back to the story. It seems to be implied that Kit is made from Tail's sample, but I don't think the same can be said about Surge. It could be that the original script had Starline collect samples from Tails and Shadow. The creation of Surge and Kit should be equal, so its odd only Tail's fur was needed.
>Chao Races & Badnik Bases was originally written for Team Dark, but Shadow got replaced by Amy.
I'd bet money that SEGA shit themselves and mandated this because Shadow wasn't being an aggressive Shonen Rival for five minutes.
>IDW series started with Eggman being out of commission, which did nothing to stop Eggman's forces from continuing their operations.
They were being controlled by Neo Metal Sonic. And when he was defeated, Sonic let him go.
>Chao Races & Badnik Bases was originally written for Team Dark, but Shadow got replaced by Amy.
We were fricking robbed.
TEAM DARK IS NOT REAL
SHADOW, OMEGA AND ROUGE ARE NOT FRIENDS
IT IS A BRANDING CHOICE
FRICK YOU.
t. Sega
It's so bizarre that the owners of SONIC THE HEDGEHOG would be such a bunch of fun-hating buttholes.
Christ, Sonic 06 really traumatized them.
Nah, Ken Penders stealing Sonic characters right out from under them was what mind broke them into intellectual property israelites. They were only moronic and incompetent up until then.
Right, how could I forget? This franchise has been pantsed so many times that you lose track. I guess I can see why they wouldn't want to come within twenty miles of anything Archie, but it still doesn't explain their moronic decisions with the canon characters.
I know, talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
People LIKED seeing Shadow be a stoic badass good guy instead of an annoying dime-a-dozen "I SEEK ONLY TO FIGHT STRONG OPPONENTS" anime cliche. Why the hell would SEGA think reversing that would be a good thing?
They worry about the BRAND now and that means a bunch of suits who don't really understand the appeal of the characters attempting to dictate it via focus groups and mandates rather than anybody with a vision.
The ironic part being Team Dark was the only thing from 06 that was worth a damn
I'm fine with them being the fun police as long as they keep literal homosexualry out of the comics as well.
They have lesbobait in Tangle and Whisper but they aren't ever gonna get actually gay in a comic..
Those two radio DJ birds are gonna be gay.
>Comfy relationship between two radio hosts
Sounds kino
I would honestly be okay with an entire issue of the two radio DJs fricking if it meant that the canon cast would get more focus.
Hopefully. Evan has got the stamped BASED sticker. On a sightly more serious note, the ideal is to not rush it out. Flesh them out better, fortify their contrasting dynamic, don't let their sexuality overwhelm their personalities, and you can then make a nice cute arc of them admitting to another. When in doubt, base reference like Missing Hill's gay couple should guide you.
all these people want to put lesbians in this shit but nobody is brave enough to put sfw nudity in anything that isn't adult only. you can put raunchy content in teen comics and not be the same as selling porn to minors as long as you're particular about your depictions.
>all these people want to put lesbians in this shit but nobody is brave enough to put sfw nudity in anything that isn't adult only
Yeah, it's almost as if a couple holding hands and kissing isn't lewd and shouldn't be treated as such.
All nudity is NSFW, as in, it's not something you'd want to be caught watching in your workplace or in a public setting. What you're referring to is non-sexual nudity, which I agree shouldn't be wrong to show to general audiences, but I struggle to think of a reason as to why we'd need to see furries with barbie doll anatomies naked with visible genitalia and breasts.
because lesbians without fanservice is just blueballs for men AND lesbians. you might as well not have it because the only people that care are white straight women and their purse puppies.
You remember these books are for teenagers right?
>teenagers
>not being horny
Moron.
Yeah, but nobody's gonna market furry porn to teens. It'd be too controversial, especially for SEGA.
The rest of Japan has been doing exactly that since the 70s
Oh fair but its fine for sex appeal to play a part in making people like a character.
And considering the fact it's not actually "for them" as to why people want them, it's really balding 30+ year olds using teenagers as a scapegoat for their degeneration fetish.
Fanservice? Fine, we had shit like that for decades thanks to Disney and Warner. Actual porn? It's only because virgin men that should have fricked when they were around 18 themselves need to be validated for their autism or worse, to traffic actual kids to rape them.
No teenager with an internet connection is going to spend money for porn, anon. Who's really the moron? You can find that shit on deviantart for free.
>implying they don't get their comics from the library or on readcomicsonline or some shit
Anon, we're on Cinemaphile. Also this was never about furry porn this was about people liking surge because she is hot.The better argument is that no teenager reads comics because they only are on israelitetube or some shit.
>Coomer schizoposting because the children's furry comic book doesn't have the two girl characters scissoring
I don't even know why I bothered replying to you
The problem is that their fun-policing is what is forcing the writers to constantly focus on boring lesbian OCs like Whisper.
What does it matter if she never openly lezzes out with Tangle if she and Belle still eat up half the comic's runtime with their whining?
Having fun isn't really a profitable thing.
Look, think critically, how many IPs today still have companies come together to genuine product a "fun" product? None. Nintendo? You could try to convince me, but their definition of fun is what I'd call "make it universal" which means it will never be as "fun" as something niche and unique.
The people that make things "fun" genuinely cares about the IP on a special, personal bound. It's why the animated shorts Tyson Hesse commissioned are as passionate as you might feel with Sonic Adventure 2. The issue is, the modern SEGA don't have these people in house. They don't want "fun" because going troo far gave them 06. Instead of learning they fricking failed and taking that as a sign to avoid everything that lead up to 06 happening the way it did, they blame the fact what made it Sonic 06 must be why it failed and tornish the series, instead of realizing it was SEGA themselves that rushed out shitty products without considering what would happen if you released a subpar product
The state of Sonic, that's under SEGA's direct control, is all thanks to 06, not because 06 was SA1 x FF10, but because SEGA can't accept they ruined Sonic by making their devs work under shit conditions, and then would rather ruin the IP all together, than make a checklist to get the best of the best to work on Sonic. Even when people literally throw themselves at SEGA just to be the ones to get the accolade of "fixing Sonic".
This was always the case. The only time they were "Team Dark" and "friends" were in Archie.
I mean, I liked their chemistry in Sonic Teams. Chaotix too. But then, I have a thing for villains being good friends.
You can still be coworkers and friends.
In 06 they literally swore loyalty to Shadow saying even if the whole world was against him, Rouge and Omega would be on his side.
Loyalty =/= Friendship
06 was literally written out of canon in its very own plot
>Has an Archie or IDW original sonic character became canon in the games?
No, only rape is canon
Is there a reason people like this green thing other then wanting to frick her?
She bears a striking resemblance to a more interesting character from a more interesting comic continuity.
Looks like a funny gremlin punk character.
Is funny and dumb. Looks like an interesting character. That being said, I haven't read these comics, so I don't know anything useful.
I like seeing her get bullied. A girl's worth is measured by how much pleasure one derives from bullying her.
She has an entertainingly obnoxious personality and a legit grudge against Sonic, which gives her more character than all the other IDW OCs combined.
She's like the only cool villain they have.
Mimic has done nothing, and is only interested in fighting an oc
Zavok and the Deadly Six will never be cool no matter how much they're pushed
Clutch could've worked as a 'Kingpin' character except his entire "criminal empire" is 2 comic relief skunks
The one and only time I've liked Starline was issue 50, and that's just because he made Eggman achieve preboot-levels of badass in order to kick his ass for an issue
She's a female version of a long-running controversial character.
>amnesiac
>experiment of mad scientist trying to use her as a weapon
>wants to kill the bad guys and begrudges people who don't
You're right, just not in the way you thought you were
The real question is where does Surge go from here.
Villain? Anti-Hero? Hero? Gets her old life back? Tommy-Turtles herself?
Depends on whether she actually bothers to check up on her old life or just keep picking fights with sonic like an idiot.
Considering we've just been introduced to the character, I'm guessing she'll be a villain for a long while. Might turn good, might not.
what's wrong with being horny? are you 8 years old?
The IDW comic is for 8 year olds and Twitter-addicts.
you know that a huge part of sonic's audience are 14 year old boys, right?
you know that teenagers fricking love breasts and asses, right?
tell that to SEGA (Or Japanese Culture in general, which not only puts breasts and ass in kids shows, but puts naked kids in adult shows!)
go home pajeet. someday you'll figure out how your dick works.
This is from Crayon Shin-Chan, Japan's most popular elementary school show
And? It's to make their dying jap race frick their women and it's still dying . It's a desperation, not a act of righteousness.
>you know that teenagers fricking love breasts and asses, right?
No teenager with any sense is going to spend money on them though, so its use as marketability is dumb. If all they want is sex appeal they've got the internet for that. You can get that at a library, too,
Teemagers literally spend money on breasts and sex appeal in games.
Do you actually just live in pajeekistan and have no clue how the rest of the world works?
Mobile games exploit impulse buying in a way that comic books can't really manage.
I mean the Fortnite comics were smart, they tied cosmetics in game to the comic book.
"what is every ecchi manga ever to exist?"
Sex. Sells.
So SIlver got lesbocucked? Does he frick anybody after that?
Zoomers are already growing up thinking being attracted to women is cringe. Is the next generation already a lost cause?
A total lost cause.
Gee, it's almost like the generation that came before them was so godawfully embarrassing that it turned them all off doing anything even remotely similar.
I just feel like there use to be a time people just didn't want people's head on a stick just because they pulled a Hitler move once or twice
I don't really wanna get political, but if people unironically wanted death to people just because you don't approve of their actions, you'd think there'd be far more assassination attempts, mafia tier crimes, and just overall millions of people going missing just because of their actions.
The truth to me for why IDW in particular gets this much heat is all because of what impact we saw Eggman do with the Metal Virus Ark. Had the entire thing never happened, and we'd just get Game Eggman tier carnage, I'd feel like no one would be saying the shit they are now in these threads.
It just strikes me as odd how people are this assblasted over a fictional comic. I literally don't even take it seriously and still find parts about it that's quite enjoyable, even if it might not be "good". But that's likely due to the fact I'm "jaded" and am now very uncaring about everything and just take solace in the little good things instead of being that little kid that wants to be overly hyped for everything.
>what impact we saw Eggman do with the Metal Virus Ark.
I mean, yes? It was a ridiculously grimdark arc that wasted 15 issues to resolve, and horribly traumatized the entire cast. It's pretty natural that people would want the butthole responsible to get some sort of comeuppance.
"Anon obsessed with showing breasts and veganas to kids that calls anyone who disagrees with him 'pajeets'" is not the schizoposted I thought these IDW Sonic threads would get but hey, who am I to complain?
Truly hypocritical. Bulges have feelings too!
People want to discuss Surge, but since the comic has been so glacial in its pacing and shit, all we can do is shitpost.