Pretty fricking simple. It would get eaten by a fish or whale, which would then get caught by fishermen and it would be back in the hands of men again.
>The Mermaids were associated with the Maia Ossë and often aided his labour
The ring can control things and has a will of it's own. It literally sat in a river for almost two and a half millennia before some dude literally fished it up.
It wouldn't save them. Sauron doesn't need the ring to win the war. The free peoples do not have the numbers to stop him. They will, eventually, fall. All of them. Throwing the ring in the sea doesn't end the war or sauron's conquest. Only destroying sauron will do that, and they need to destroy the ring to end him.
Tolkcels have no rebuttal to this, it's hilarious >noooo w-what if a trout found it and put it on his little fin!?
oh nooo, an evil fish! lmao
homosexual little morons that have never cracked open a boo. What now, Black folk?
the reasons for having to take the ring to mordor are in sum extremely contrieved
tolkien was a hack
Sauron had already amassed enough power to destroy the kingdoms of men, the war that was brewing had nothing to do with the ring. Sauron had set all of his pieces to wipe out everyone without need of the ring.
The plan to bring the ring to Mordor is a last ditch suicide mission, the idea being to destroy Sauron, not to keep the ring from him.
There's a reason that so many people want to use the ring against him.
>the laws of magic are that way because the novel needs to happen! >literally it's magic i aint gotta explain shit
ofc Cinemaphile is unironically defending this shitty story-telling
I hate when you can tell some homosexual grew up in the reddit era >I've heard someone say this so I'll say this without really getting it!
The "it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit" only works if there is a contrivance. There is no contrivance here. In fact as far as magic goes this is probably the least contrived, it's borderlining on science to say that the ring can only be destroyed by the power that made it.
>zoomers cannot handle smart and evil antagonists
I spit.
>no dude bad guys either have to be le heckin racist or le heckin bully who is actually just sad
3 months ago
Anonymous
>it's borderlining on science to say that the ring can only be destroyed by the power that made it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, unironically. For example up unto a certain point diamonds could only be cut with other diamonds. If you wanted to destroy a sword the best place to do it would have been a forge.
The process to shape something also has the power to unshape it.
Considering that the ring had to be formed of a powerful process it is literally the first conclusion that most people would come to that that process also has the ability to unmake it.
Ergo, it's not an asspull but rather "borderline scientific".
3 months ago
Anonymous
and it can't be any other volcano. why does it even have to be that hot. why cant the ring be destroyed by just melting it like any other ring >muh magic requires the hobbits to walk by foot to mordor because the story needs to happen
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's a magic ring, moron.
And what other volcanos?
You think walking to Mount Doom is easy?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>there's only one volcano
how convenient that means the story can happen
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mean you could just throw it in some regular lava and wait for it to harden and then get buried under 50 trillion tons of granite
Yeah, volcanos just suddenly pop out anywhere.
No, THAT would be convenient.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>why does it even have to be that hot.
It's not about the heat, it's about the magic of the place. >why cant the ring be destroyed by just melting it like any other ring
If you threw it into any other lava it would be quite cool.
>middle-earth >nordic mythology >myth for england >not based on europe
3 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, so? If there can be little magical fellas there can be no volcanoes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
or black harfoots
or apache helicopters
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. That is correct. Tolkein didn't add those things though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_Australia
do tolkiengays really
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah how convenient that the way tolkien's magic works means the hobbits have to work on foot to mordor because only there the magic can be broken. there couldnt have been 5 other alternatives. no it has to be in the heart of the enemy's realm
3 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah how convenient that there's a story to tell
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because the ring is magic and was created in Mount Doom.
>there's only one volcano
how convenient that means the story can happen
Okay yeah you're fricking moronic, genuine chilly IQ. Do you get mad about all circumstance?
3 months ago
Anonymous
All stories require events to happen in order to have a story. Either complain about every single narrative in the world or stop being a homosexual.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It can, provided the fire is hot enough. But the only fire hot enough would have been dragon fire and by that point all the dragons were dead, Smaug being one of the last
The ring was able to slip off of Isildur's hand when it no longer needed him. It left Gollum when it wanted to. It really wouldn't be hard for it to get back to shore. Granted it would buy a lot of time but then you wouldn't know where the ring was which would be bad.
>oh nooo, an evil fish! lmao
The ring constantly trying to reach the surface by corrupting deep-sea fish and then sinking back to the depths of the ocean because the fish died due to changes in water pressure is really funny to think about.
The ring has a will of its own and causes creatures to seek it out. Basically a fish would swallow the ring and then a fisherman would catch the fish and the ring would return to land. Maybe try reading a book for once.
The ring existing will "ride" entropy in a way to take it back to its master.
Throwing it in the sea or burying it will only delay the inevitable. Plenty of shit can happen to make the ring gets picked up again.
That stupid ass ring would only end up in the ocean if it somehow wanted to be in the ocean... because magic and stuff.
The ring is sentient and will find a way to come into the hands of another sentient.
So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom?
The ring attempts to corrupt the hearts of those who wield it, and will try its hardest to escape in anyway that it can. If a fish ate it, it could probably control it or make it get caught by fisherman or whatever.
In the books, Gandalf mentions that there are dark creatures that Sauron controls that inhabit the depths. He can feel the ring, and they have a connection so he would be able to have his minions scour the ocean for it.
Hiding the ring forever would just mean that Sauron would be around forever, and in the books its mentioned that the elves / dwarves and men factions are weak compared to what they were in the second age when men and elves combined and caused Sauron to lose his physical form. If it was hidden away for another thousand years, Men would be the only ones left to deal with that problem and they are the most corruptible out of the lotr races.
>So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom
Yes, absolutely, that's why Isildur effortlessly threw it in there. Ah no he didn't. But instead the journey of Frodo to Mount Doom only took a few days without any incidents. Ah no, it took several months and everyone along the way wanted to stop him and therefore turned the easy task of throwing it in there into something that almost cost Frodo's life.
No, the ring didn't want to get thrown in there.
>So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom?
No, which is why the ring kept telling Frodo "hey instead of trying to destroy me, put me on and become a mighty warrior".
>So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom?
No you fricking idiot that's why it spent months corrupting Frodo and trying to get him to run off with it. And it succeeds. Frodo refuses to destroy it and attempts to flee Mount Doom with it. The ring influences people NOT to destroy it and to keep it for themselves. That's literally the plot of the movie.
Holy fricking based
It sat in a river for almost 2,000 years.
Golum had it for some several hundred years. It had a will and it was a slave used to exterminate or enslave it's relatives.
The immortal ring wanted to die.
Mind
Fricky
Blown
The ring existing will "ride" entropy in a way to take it back to its master.
Throwing it in the sea or burying it will only delay the inevitable. Plenty of shit can happen to make the ring gets picked up again.
They explain it in the novel. >"Not safe for ever, " said Gandalf. "There are many things in the deep waters; and seas and lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season, or for a few lives of Men, or for a passing age of the world. We should seek a final end of this menace, even if we do not hope to make one."
Not only that, but the existence of the ring is what allows Sauron to keep returning, because it contains and preserves a good portion of his total power. To hide the ring forever would sort of be like protecting Sauron.
They explain it in the novel. >"Not safe for ever, " said Gandalf. "There are many things in the deep waters; and seas and lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season, or for a few lives of Men, or for a passing age of the world. We should seek a final end of this menace, even if we do not hope to make one."
Also there's the fact that if they decided to try and take on Sauron in a conventional war they would lose anyways. Without the direct intervention of members of the Fellowship Rohan would've remained under Saruman's sway and fallen, and Gondor would've been crushed by Sauron's forces. The rangers would've disappeared and the wolves and bandits would've scoured the Shire and Bree areas while easterling pirates pillaged the coast. Within a few years there would only be pockets of elves and dwarves in the forests and mountains endlessly besieged. Sauron had already won without the ring, the quest to destroy it was their only hope. You don't even need to read the books to comprehend this, but given that it's a 9 hour movie it's unreasonable to ask Generation TikTard to pay attention for that long or have the intelligence to figure that out.
He wasn't 1v1'd by isildur. He fought Elindel and Gil-Galad 2v1 and killed them both. Isildur cut off the finger with the ring after he was already down and out from his fight with a gigachad-human and the fricking high king of the Noldor.
Yeah but nothing can live in the caldera of a different volcano. And I don't think orcs could survive that heat so just chuck it into "volcano near me"
Yes, but Sauron could conquer Middle-earth without it which is why Gandalf said they needed to end things there and now rather than delaying the inevitable.
Why can't gayndalf make another ring with his maiar bosses then?
Seemed like that homosexual ass wizard was just a janny
3 months ago
Anonymous
Gandalf has one of the Rings of Power. What would your suggestion accomplish?
3 months ago
Anonymous
He was a shit tier wizard too. When he was at the zenith of his power all he could do was make a dim light come of the tip of a stick. I've seen level 1 mages do more impressive things in DnD sessions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He does more impressive magic in the book like having a magic duel with the Nazgul at Weathertop and setting the whole sky ablaze when they get attacked by wolves.
>Why not just get rid of the thing that needs to be destroyed in order to beat the bad guy?
yeah and why didnt king arthur just throw excalibur back into the lake
I don't think you guys understand that Sauron doesn't need the ring to win.
He just needs the ring to not be destroyed.
If it was in the middle of the sea, probably no one would have picked it up, all the better for Sauron since no one will destroy it.
He waited 2.5k years until Bilbo picked it up, he can fancy waiting a few more
The ring is tied to Sauron's power. As long as the ring exists, even at the bottom of the sea, Sauron will have his power. Arguably it would be a worse idea to throw it in the sea rather than destroy it at Mt. Doom.
There's the "fish will eat it" aspect but literally cast a fricking massive iron ball around it that weighs a metric shitton and roll it off the ship.
No whale is ever going to swallow that.
They're going to lose eventually to Sauron if the Ring isn't destroyed to keep him from coming back. Else he'll just keep coming back again and again as he can't be killed. YOLO'ing the Ring at Mt. Doom to try and end him is better than suffering his shit for eternity
>why did they walk to a volcano 7000 miles away instead of just melting it at a nearby forge? >these elves and dwarves were all a bunch of fricking morons
Better question, why didn't one of the dwarves in Rivendell just destroy it by hitting it with his hammer?
It doesn’t even require a rebuttal. The ring is in a river for a while. It is a sentient thing that wants to go home and can exert control over others. It would literally just mind-control some sea life.
the gods drowned sauron in the ocean with the numenorians for their evil ways and he still survived. the ring would get eaten by some fish, then eaten by a whale, washed up on shore and found or some shit.
Gandalf tells Frodo that Gollum left the cave after a couple years and tracked Bilbo all the way to the Lonely Mountain and Dale where he found out that Bilbo had already returned to the Shire. It was at that point he turned away because he was being drawn to Mordor.
Because the Sun and Moon are just Maiar like Gandalf and Sauron, circling the globe holding a flower and fruit of the Trees.
Giving one of them the Ring would be a terrible idea.
And before you mention it, giving it to Earendil would be stupid as well.
giving it to any 'great" being is a stupid idea, because it will either corrupt them into saurons servitude, or twist them into something horrific as galadriel vision of becoming the tyrant
you basically cannot name a person that wouldn't turn into something horrible over time or become a slave, because thats how ring works. You can be strong-willed, but this shit will keep whispering and tempting until you either fold or die
I will never understand why this stupid invisibility ring is such a big deal >it does a other thing when Sauronman get it in his as-
SHUT THE FRICK UP, NERD! NO ONE CARES
How did he know what a nervous system is? Was Dwarven medical knowledge that advanced?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe it was. Why is that a sticking point with you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It seems like an anachronism.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, it’s fine.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How do orcs know what a menu is?
How is the inn named the prancing pony, the circus doesn't exist in middle earth
3 months ago
Anonymous
>How do orcs know what a menu is?
Sauron's Man had a whole town build around Orthanc and presumably there were food establishments and/or taverns for all the soldiers. >How is the inn named the prancing pony
They had ponies in the Shire.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why wouldn’t orcs know what a menu is? Taverns and inns and such exist in Middle-earth.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What does the circus have to do with anything?
3 months ago
Anonymous
some orcs are actually multilingual. 99% of americans are not
3 months ago
Anonymous
The europussies are coming out.. first american poster tonight.
3 months ago
Anonymous
U are literally arguing with a boomer Facebook meme
no, they aren't. Tolkien gays always boil down to "The ring is impossible to destroy. No one has the will to resist it's power" which is fricking moronic because if people actually believed this then they wouldn't have set on a quest to destroy it in the first place.
They knew the One Ring wasn’t impossible to destroy, it’s just that the chances of successfully infiltrating Mordor in order to destroy it were extremely slim.
>One Ring wasn’t impossible to destroy
I've seen a hundred of these threads and basically every plot hole is plugged up by no one having the will to actually destroy the ring.
That isn't a plot hole you dipshit. It is a central component to the story. It is specifically why a hobbit had to carry it, because they could resist it the longest. It had a deliberate will of it's own and tempted people with power (or what they wanted). The hobbits could carry it because they were simple people living simple lives with no ambitions above farming, slamming hobbit puss, and smoking their pipes. Power and influence were nothing to them so the ring had nothing to offer. It literally tried to convince sam that he could be a better gardener because that was the only thing it could show him that might even vaguely tempt him.
The central fricking theme of the story is that humility and humbleness are virtues and the simple folk of the world have a magic in their lives that vile """things""" cannot fathom. >the meek shall inherit the earth
Frick I hate you people so much.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i wanted to add something, but pretty much everythign was explained to lorelets and other morons by people who can still read a book and doesn't need everything perfectly and logically explained in a setting, where fricking magic exist, and elves return to valinor basically swimming up there into the air via hidden path. In this story, shit works like that, deal with it. Ring can be only destroyed in a fire of volcano that forged it. Only one volcano? what's the fricking problem, they don't have deserts too. Its explained more or less(not in 100% full complete way) in a book. Thats why book is so fricking great. That is why everyone was losing their shit when each movie was released and then people rushed to read books. it's fricking sad that in 2024 we have people, born into this world, and being a literal troglodytes unable to comprehend a greatness of a story written like that. With allt ech and knowledge readibly accessible at any point of the time, average human is reversing instead of advancing his wisdom and knowledge. You don't need to like something, to realize that's a work of a great art even if you don't enjoy it
to add to this anon point was also to show that a great heart can be found even in the most simple of humans(hobbits) even if you consdier them weak and useless, showing that even those small ones are capable of doing noble things
also somehow i feel sad looking at it
Because basically there’s all sorts of nasty things in the ocean, including lesser Maiar that might be tempted by the ring, and shit like the kraken and other spooky deep sea nasties.
Not to mention that beneath a large portion of the ocean is the sunken land of Beleriand. Who knows what sorts of wights and ghosts of 1st age nasties are lurking in the deep.
. Imagine living in the 3rd era and being completly clueless that below the sea there's a whole sunken continent with history, cities and other things that can never be restored and those who perished there are forever forgotten
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they don't have deserts
What about second deserts?
3 months ago
Anonymous
obviously meant desert, the sandy one, you fricking stupid Took holy shit why gandalf didn't end you c**t
Why didn't they put the ring a cement block and then throw the block into the ocean? It can't possess anyone now because it's encased in stone, it's deep underwater so nobody is going to find it, and no one will know the exact location because technology isn't advanced enough to record the exact location.
a lot of misunderstanding surrounding the nature of the ring comes from the fact that movie sauron is literally a flaming eye so the audience gets the impression that he's a impotent spirit who needs the ring in order to stage a comeback as if he's voldemort or something
If batman killed Sauron he would spend atleast 30+ years in prison for manslaughter, so it would make the most sense to hide the ring and indirectly cause millions of people to die because killing for a just cause = just as bad as plain murder.
Even without the stupid ring in his possession he was still going to use his massive army to conquer middle earth. Hiding the ring accomplishes nothing.
I don’t think it did. It’s clearly advantageous to have an attractive daughter because she’ll attract a higher quality provider for your grandchildren.
3 months ago
Anonymous
its notoriety clearly comes from making normies seethe
That wouldn't kill Sauron, he still has his bigass army thought would kill everyone. Even after the gay ass ghost army won at Gondor, Sauron still had a bigger army. They need to actually destroy the ring not just hide it forever.
Because the win condition for the free people of middle earth wasn't that Sauron simply doesn't get the ring, but rather that the ring is destroyed, taking Sauron with it, specifically because Sauron was regaining his strength and was poised to take over all of middle earth, with nobody left to meaningfully oppose him. Sauron could easily play for the time, everyone else couldn't.
But Gandalf has revealed to us that we cannot destroy it by any craft that we here possess,’ said Elrond. ‘And they who dwell beyond the Sea would not receive it: for good or ill it belongs to Middle-earth; it is for us who still dwell here to deal with it.’ >‘Then,’ said Glorfindel, ‘let us cast it into the deeps, and so make the lies of Saruman come true. For it is clear now that even at the Council his feet were already on a crooked path. He knew that the Ring was not lost for ever, but wished us to think so; for he began to lust for it for himself. Yet oft in lies truth is hidden: in the Sea it would be safe.’ >‘Not safe for ever,’ said Gandalf. ‘There are many things in the deep waters; and seas and lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season, or for a few lives of Men, or for a passing age of the world. We should seek a final end of this menace, even if we do not hope to make one.’
Booklets make me sick.
Because basically there’s all sorts of nasty things in the ocean, including lesser Maiar that might be tempted by the ring, and shit like the kraken and other spooky deep sea nasties.
Not to mention that beneath a large portion of the ocean is the sunken land of Beleriand. Who knows what sorts of wights and ghosts of 1st age nasties are lurking in the deep.
>make a moronic post >people call you moronic >"lol actually i made them mad with facts and logic" >now let me not reply to their posts directly so they know I'm a baby
Terminal zoomer brain
>return of the king came out in 2003 >rowling started work on the half blood prince in 2003
Holy kek not only did she rip off Tolkein she probably only knew about it because of the movies.
Horcruxes are just phylacteries which are used by liches across generic fantasy. I'm pretty sure those are inspired more by Koschei but I could be wrong.
Yes but you're retroactively assigning a later fantasy trope to the One Ring. Unless I'm mistaken about phylacteries being inspired by Koschei and they were actually inspired by the One Ring.
Really they could have just.. thrown it off the edge of the earth.. it was flat before the world was broken.... I'm not joking. That's all that was needed
Middle earth is flat. So you throw the ring off it just falls endlessly through space. I get it's fantasy and there all these weird rules but gravity and momentum have to be in place. So just huck the ring off.
Ocean gays are worse than eagle gays, at least with eagle gays having only seen the film and having very little attention span I can see why they'd read their reddit theory and go "humf why didn't they use the eagles?" Even in the movies it is explained very clearly multiple times why they couldn't just cast the ring into the ocean.
Middle earth is flat. So you throw the ring off it just falls endlessly through space. I get it's fantasy and there all these weird rules but gravity and momentum have to be in place. So just huck the ring off.
In the Lord of the rings the earth hasn't been broken. It's flat. So north south east west I guess lol.
The world was made round thousands of years before LotR takes place.
The ring calls out to people if it doesn’t have an owner so some sailor would dredge it up at some point
Also Sauron sees the ring as his weak point as it will destroy his soul if lost and is pretty much dead cert to win the war against the forces of good without it
Since the ring would always find its way back to Sauron as long as it exists, would something similar happen with the silmarils? They were never unmade. At some point they might resurface from the sea or from a volcanic eruption.
That's the idea, and the logic behind the debunked theory that the Arkenstone was the Silmaril that was swallowed by the earth.
But it's stated in the Last Prophecy of Mandos that after the Dagor Dagorath, the ocean will be drained and the earth rent open, and the Silmarills will be reunited and used to revive the Two Trees.
>*beelines straight to frodo*
The same video you got the thumbnail from explains the oceans are full of powerful beings like the water octupus which can sense and seek the ring. Tolkien conviently says the octupus has fingers.
Anon, that was the whole point of destroying the Ring rather than hiding it as you suggested. The humans, dwarves and elves no longer had the might to resist Sauron’s army and would’ve ultimately lost the war. Sauron recovering the Ring would’ve just sped up the process of domination.
If no one can find the ring it's as good as destroyed anyway. When gollum was hiding in a cave, using it to play with his dick the world could have built a fellowship to frick up the orcs and call it a day. That should have been a one day war. Tolkiengays would have you believe that 20 different things had to go right before the heroe could save the day when really it was just one game of keepaway which had already been won by one greedy fella >oh no, the whole world is sad. We can't heal
People actually fall for this
You pathetic fricking moron.
There are a plethora of places where could actually learn the fricking lore. But no. You sit here and display your fricking stupidity for all the world to see.
You should have you fingers broken so you cant slap those greasy frickers on a keyboard anymore.
It won't be you though, homosexual. I'd have you shitting 20-sided dice for a week
>If no one can find the ring it's as good as destroyed anyway.
No, moron.
If the ring is just missing, Sauron is still alive and doing his bullshit. He doesn't NEED the ring, but the power boost would be helpful.
If the ring is destroyed, Sauron is gone because most of his soul is in the ring. >When gollum was hiding in a cave, using it to play with his dick the world could have built a fellowship to frick up the orcs and call it a day.
They literally couldn't have. The entire world was in decline that whole time. By the time LotR begins magic is fading, the elves are evacuating the world, most kingdoms of men are long since gone and the few remaining are on the verge of collapse, and the dwarves are almost wiped out.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why bother replying? You notice the moron conveniently ignored the reply that completely blew the frick out of his dumb point. He's either trolling or a mollusk, either way there's 0 point in engaging him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He’s actually stupid and that’s why these threads are satisfying to read. Plot hole trolls are always firmly defeated.
3 months ago
Anonymous
mollusk rights are human rights, homosexual
3 months ago
Anonymous
No wonder this Black person wants the ring in the ocean, he's waiting down there on the seafloor.
No, that’s not true. The Battle of Five Armies depicted in The Hobbit was a narrow victory with a lot of casualties and that was just regular orcs, not Saruman’s army of warriors. If the hobbits hadn’t by chance befriended Treebeard and the Ents, they would’ve been fricked.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The Battle of Five Armies
Imagine admitting to watching that shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m referring to the book, anon. You are legitimately stupid and you should feel bad about yourself.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Television and Film. Cope
3 months ago
Anonymous
That battle is in the movie as well. You’re actually dumb.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Return to step 1
>The Battle of Five Armies
Imagine admitting to watching that shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
Whether or not you watched it is irrelevant. The battle is in both the book and movie, stupid.
Holy frick I am tired of people coming into the thread, not reading the 100s of replies and posting the same take that has been disproven multiple times. >If he had that kind of power on his own he wouldn't need the ring
HE DID have that power you ape, did you not watch the fricking movies? Sauron was winning. Even with all his losses he was still winning. He was so far ahead he simply didn't care. The entire premise of the last act of the last movie is that everyone is riding to their death to draw his attention on the off chance the ring might be destroyed because they're fricked.
He literally only lost because the ring was put into Mount Doom.
You pathetic fricking moron.
There are a plethora of places where could actually learn the fricking lore. But no. You sit here and display your fricking stupidity for all the world to see.
You should have you fingers broken so you cant slap those greasy frickers on a keyboard anymore.
Everyone's big argument is that if it's hidden then evil man in black will find it but in the same story two lil fellas of obvious israeli descent kept it hidden for centuries and lived in peace. Word only got out because the drunk wizard decided that he wanted to have an adventure. If Gandalf had gone to a pub with normal height people instead of fricking around with hobbits things would be fine
No, that’s not accurate. During the events of The Hobbit, Sauron was already rebuilding his power in disguise as the Necromancer. The Shire and its hobbit population were tucked away in a safe and naive corner of the world, but that wasn’t representative of the wider world outside their borders.
simple answer is Sauron would still be around and directing shit, and while the books and movies do show the heros being able to beat his armies several times, they also make it clear that is at best just buying time and the other areas are being overrunned, if they don't destroy the ring soon Sauron would just simply keep sending his armies until they are overwhelmed and crushed, and when that happens Sauron just simply has to wait until the ring inevitably finds it way back to him since it does have a will of its own
Why didn't Frodo just put the ring on his little hobbit wiener? Then Sauron would have to touch his peepee to get it back and he would be totally gay lol.
I mean in terms of the characters, maybe? The trees were not friends to the races. The ghosts were known deserters. The trees weren't exactly that powerful anyway and were charged wit watching over Saruman.
I mean if you want to talk about Black folk not fighting, the Dwarves were just going to sit in their holes.
That's kinda my point. I'm shitting on the story. The main issue was getting everyone to get off their asses to fight and much less about how the ring needs to be destroyed in order to beat him.
They were fighting. Sauron’s forces weren’t all located in the Gondor/Mordor region. Other places were under attack.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And they beat him once everyone finally got off their collective asses
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, but only because the Ring was destroyed and Sauron’s influence over his armies was broken.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What kind of buff does the eye in the sky offer to its minions beyond, "Oy! The boss is watching, yeah"?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sauron can mentally dominate lesser beings. And the destruction of the ring kills him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So he just tells them what to do, like any old general does. The good guys were only losing because they couldn't be arsed and because Aragorn didn't know he was the king who should have been telling everyone what to do.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, it’s more like a form of mind control.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>NOOO! He really REALLY tells them what to do
Oh ok suuuuure
When Pippin looks in the Palantir and talks to Sauron, Sauron tells him to relay a message to Saruman. When Pippin wakes up he mistakes Gandalf for Saruman and relays exactly the message just as a reflex. He mind controls. Saruman and Gandalf can also do similar things.
>all old white men look alike to hobbits
Kinda funny but I don't how that's relevant
>Aragorn didn't know he was the king who should have been telling everyone what to do.
Where did you get that notion? Aragorn knew exactly who he was descended from.
So file that under 'couldn't be arsed' as well
3 months ago
Anonymous
Aragorn led them to victory at Helm’s Deep so that’s simply not true. You’re slipping.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Aragorn didn't know he was the king who should have been telling everyone what to do.
Where did you get that notion? Aragorn knew exactly who he was descended from.
3 months ago
Anonymous
When Pippin looks in the Palantir and talks to Sauron, Sauron tells him to relay a message to Saruman. When Pippin wakes up he mistakes Gandalf for Saruman and relays exactly the message just as a reflex. He mind controls. Saruman and Gandalf can also do similar things.
3 months ago
Anonymous
See
Sauron can mentally dominate lesser beings. And the destruction of the ring kills him.
. Once Sauron’s will over them was broken, a lot of his minions fled in fear.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So he just tells them what to do, like any old general does. The good guys were only losing because they couldn't be arsed and because Aragorn didn't know he was the king who should have been telling everyone what to do.
You’ve been soundly defeated every single time itt. You’re not going to win against anons that know this stuff inside and out.
They would have been BTFO. Remember how the trees couldn’t damage orthanc? Every castle in Mordor was built like that. Also in the book the ghosts couldn’t actually fight, they just scared a bunch of sailors so bad they all jumped into the water and drowned.
Why didn't he just throw the ring into a different volcano, instead of mt. Doom? If it was good enough for me watts (PBUH) it should be good enough for some gay ass ring
That was a whole army and that was after they already got the ring into Mordor. I mean they get Glorfindel and some elves and whoever else at the council wants to go, have one of them put on a fake beard and dress up like Gandalf, then just simply walk to Mordor but take the pass that Saruman was watching.
What a silly notion. There are many great books written for a children. That said, Lord of the Rings was clearly written with an older demographic in mind.
Sauron doesn't need the ring to conquer the world, eventually he would win. The good guys need to either destroy or use the ring to defeat him. Throwing it in the ocean ensures Sauron's victory.
The war of the last alliance and the war of the ring were 2,000 years apart.
The elves had been leaving middle earth for even longer than that, and by the lotr they were diminished in numbers and power.
The human kingdom of Arnor had been completely destroyed. Gondor was in decline and was a shadow of its former glory. The "blood of Numenor" was not strong anymore, and only really in the nobility were they still the gigchads of old. They simply couldn't win this time.
He wouldn't be able to put it on when it tempts him or the Nazgul do their bullshit. And if someone searched him they wouldn't see the ring they'd just see the box.
If Gandalf can survive falling like a hundred miles down Moria fighting the balrog why didn't he just jump off the tower when Saruman left him up there
Pretty fricking simple. It would get eaten by a fish or whale, which would then get caught by fishermen and it would be back in the hands of men again.
>The Mermaids were associated with the Maia Ossë and often aided his labour
The ring can control things and has a will of it's own. It literally sat in a river for almost two and a half millennia before some dude literally fished it up.
probably some bullshit about it washing ashore or there being some mystical creature in the sea some obscure tolkien gay will rant about.
You're probably pretty obscure yourself.
Black person
It wouldn't save them. Sauron doesn't need the ring to win the war. The free peoples do not have the numbers to stop him. They will, eventually, fall. All of them. Throwing the ring in the sea doesn't end the war or sauron's conquest. Only destroying sauron will do that, and they need to destroy the ring to end him.
homosexual little morons that have never cracked open a boo. What now, Black folk?
Tolkcels have no rebuttal to this, it's hilarious
>noooo w-what if a trout found it and put it on his little fin!?
oh nooo, an evil fish! lmao
2 rebuttals above you
here's your (You)
The ring is always trying to be found. Living creatures are drawn to it.
>and put it on his little fin!?
It would eat it, probably.
Sauron had already amassed enough power to destroy the kingdoms of men, the war that was brewing had nothing to do with the ring. Sauron had set all of his pieces to wipe out everyone without need of the ring.
The plan to bring the ring to Mordor is a last ditch suicide mission, the idea being to destroy Sauron, not to keep the ring from him.
There's a reason that so many people want to use the ring against him.
how convenient that the ring can only be destroyed at mt doom
>The only fires powerful enough to destroy the ring were the ones that made it
Makes sense. Seethe harder Ancalagon you lil b***h
>the laws of magic are that way because the novel needs to happen!
>literally it's magic i aint gotta explain shit
ofc Cinemaphile is unironically defending this shitty story-telling
I believe LotR falls under the genre of fantasy, not hard sci-fi, anon.
Magic works that way in real life, there are always little qualifiers and loopholes and strict rules and shit like that.
>there are always little qualifiers and loopholes and strict rules and shit like that.
It's always the loopholes and the fine print that gets ya.
I hate when you can tell some homosexual grew up in the reddit era
>I've heard someone say this so I'll say this without really getting it!
The "it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit" only works if there is a contrivance. There is no contrivance here. In fact as far as magic goes this is probably the least contrived, it's borderlining on science to say that the ring can only be destroyed by the power that made it.
>no dude bad guys either have to be le heckin racist or le heckin bully who is actually just sad
>it's borderlining on science to say that the ring can only be destroyed by the power that made it.
Yes, unironically. For example up unto a certain point diamonds could only be cut with other diamonds. If you wanted to destroy a sword the best place to do it would have been a forge.
The process to shape something also has the power to unshape it.
Considering that the ring had to be formed of a powerful process it is literally the first conclusion that most people would come to that that process also has the ability to unmake it.
Ergo, it's not an asspull but rather "borderline scientific".
and it can't be any other volcano. why does it even have to be that hot. why cant the ring be destroyed by just melting it like any other ring
>muh magic requires the hobbits to walk by foot to mordor because the story needs to happen
It's a magic ring, moron.
And what other volcanos?
You think walking to Mount Doom is easy?
>there's only one volcano
how convenient that means the story can happen
Yeah, volcanos just suddenly pop out anywhere.
No, THAT would be convenient.
>why does it even have to be that hot.
It's not about the heat, it's about the magic of the place.
>why cant the ring be destroyed by just melting it like any other ring
If you threw it into any other lava it would be quite cool.
>a whole continent
>only one volcano
>a whole continent
>only one volcano
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_Europe
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hobbits_in_Europe
>didn't even check if the volcanoes were active
>simply went to wikipedia and posted
Kek, should they go throw the ring into an inactive volcano?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hobbits_in_Europe
lol
>middle-earth
>nordic mythology
>myth for england
>not based on europe
Okay, so? If there can be little magical fellas there can be no volcanoes.
or black harfoots
or apache helicopters
Yes. That is correct. Tolkein didn't add those things though.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_Australia
do tolkiengays really
yeah how convenient that the way tolkien's magic works means the hobbits have to work on foot to mordor because only there the magic can be broken. there couldnt have been 5 other alternatives. no it has to be in the heart of the enemy's realm
>yeah how convenient that there's a story to tell
Because the ring is magic and was created in Mount Doom.
Okay yeah you're fricking moronic, genuine chilly IQ. Do you get mad about all circumstance?
All stories require events to happen in order to have a story. Either complain about every single narrative in the world or stop being a homosexual.
It can, provided the fire is hot enough. But the only fire hot enough would have been dragon fire and by that point all the dragons were dead, Smaug being one of the last
You mean inconvenient.
It's the magic rule of ring lore. Cope.
it was originally found in the water, you dumb Black folk, someone would find it again.
it was in a river thats barely 10 feet deep. if you sail out into the ocean for half a day and drop it, it would sink 2 miles and be gone forever
The ring was able to slip off of Isildur's hand when it no longer needed him. It left Gollum when it wanted to. It really wouldn't be hard for it to get back to shore. Granted it would buy a lot of time but then you wouldn't know where the ring was which would be bad.
>oh nooo, an evil fish! lmao
The ring constantly trying to reach the surface by corrupting deep-sea fish and then sinking back to the depths of the ocean because the fish died due to changes in water pressure is really funny to think about.
>Has anybody been able to refute this?
The book does, I would suggest you read it, zoom zoom.
>reading books
rofl what is this the 1600s
we have tiktok now grandpa
>tiktok
>not consulting ChatGPT for the truth
you dinosaur
The ring has a will of its own and causes creatures to seek it out. Basically a fish would swallow the ring and then a fisherman would catch the fish and the ring would return to land. Maybe try reading a book for once.
Next.
So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom?
Maybe you should ask your handler to explain it to you.
The ring attempts to corrupt the hearts of those who wield it, and will try its hardest to escape in anyway that it can. If a fish ate it, it could probably control it or make it get caught by fisherman or whatever.
In the books, Gandalf mentions that there are dark creatures that Sauron controls that inhabit the depths. He can feel the ring, and they have a connection so he would be able to have his minions scour the ocean for it.
Hiding the ring forever would just mean that Sauron would be around forever, and in the books its mentioned that the elves / dwarves and men factions are weak compared to what they were in the second age when men and elves combined and caused Sauron to lose his physical form. If it was hidden away for another thousand years, Men would be the only ones left to deal with that problem and they are the most corruptible out of the lotr races.
>So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom
Yes, absolutely, that's why Isildur effortlessly threw it in there. Ah no he didn't. But instead the journey of Frodo to Mount Doom only took a few days without any incidents. Ah no, it took several months and everyone along the way wanted to stop him and therefore turned the easy task of throwing it in there into something that almost cost Frodo's life.
No, the ring didn't want to get thrown in there.
i shit you not the only reason gollum fell in the lava was because god made him trip as a joke
look it up
Smeagol swore an oath on the ring not to betray frodo, as well, justifying Eru's intervention.
>So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom?
No, which is why the ring kept telling Frodo "hey instead of trying to destroy me, put me on and become a mighty warrior".
>So the ring wanted to go into the fire of Mount Doom?
No you fricking idiot that's why it spent months corrupting Frodo and trying to get him to run off with it. And it succeeds. Frodo refuses to destroy it and attempts to flee Mount Doom with it. The ring influences people NOT to destroy it and to keep it for themselves. That's literally the plot of the movie.
Oathbreakers get what they fricking deserve and in this case it was divine intervention.
Holy fricking based
It sat in a river for almost 2,000 years.
Golum had it for some several hundred years. It had a will and it was a slave used to exterminate or enslave it's relatives.
The immortal ring wanted to die.
Mind
Fricky
Blown
What if I put the ring on muh dick
%3D%3D
Sauron would still be around.
This. You can’t kill him without destroying the ring. He’ll just keep coming back until he wins
and he was already winning the war, he didn't really need a next time.
because then poseidon would get saurons power
The ring existing will "ride" entropy in a way to take it back to its master.
Throwing it in the sea or burying it will only delay the inevitable. Plenty of shit can happen to make the ring gets picked up again.
They explain it in the novel.
>"Not safe for ever, " said Gandalf. "There are many things in the deep waters; and seas and lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season, or for a few lives of Men, or for a passing age of the world. We should seek a final end of this menace, even if we do not hope to make one."
Not only that, but the existence of the ring is what allows Sauron to keep returning, because it contains and preserves a good portion of his total power. To hide the ring forever would sort of be like protecting Sauron.
Also there's the fact that if they decided to try and take on Sauron in a conventional war they would lose anyways. Without the direct intervention of members of the Fellowship Rohan would've remained under Saruman's sway and fallen, and Gondor would've been crushed by Sauron's forces. The rangers would've disappeared and the wolves and bandits would've scoured the Shire and Bree areas while easterling pirates pillaged the coast. Within a few years there would only be pockets of elves and dwarves in the forests and mountains endlessly besieged. Sauron had already won without the ring, the quest to destroy it was their only hope. You don't even need to read the books to comprehend this, but given that it's a 9 hour movie it's unreasonable to ask Generation TikTard to pay attention for that long or have the intelligence to figure that out.
> Sauron with ring
> Easily 1v1'd by Isildur
> Sauron without ring
> Not with 10,000 men could you do it, it is folly
The movie doesn’t really show it, but the fight against Sauron himself wasn’t 1v1 with just Isildur.
He wasn't 1v1'd by isildur. He fought Elindel and Gil-Galad 2v1 and killed them both. Isildur cut off the finger with the ring after he was already down and out from his fight with a gigachad-human and the fricking high king of the Noldor.
How did the series ever get popular with boomers lmao
Yeah but nothing can live in the caldera of a different volcano. And I don't think orcs could survive that heat so just chuck it into "volcano near me"
Wouldn’t matter because the Ring would still be in existence.
Yeah but good look getting it.
Yes, but Sauron could conquer Middle-earth without it which is why Gandalf said they needed to end things there and now rather than delaying the inevitable.
So forget the ring now that it's out of the way and just fight him
They would’ve been easily defeated by the combined power of Saruman and the Mordor armies.
Why can't gayndalf make another ring with his maiar bosses then?
Seemed like that homosexual ass wizard was just a janny
Gandalf has one of the Rings of Power. What would your suggestion accomplish?
He was a shit tier wizard too. When he was at the zenith of his power all he could do was make a dim light come of the tip of a stick. I've seen level 1 mages do more impressive things in DnD sessions.
He does more impressive magic in the book like having a magic duel with the Nazgul at Weathertop and setting the whole sky ablaze when they get attacked by wolves.
be a great comfort to everyone when sauron wins the war, at least the ring is in the sea..
That stupid ass ring would only end up in the ocean if it somehow wanted to be in the ocean... because magic and stuff.
>Has anybody been able to refute this?
Yeah, the first film in the first few minutes. Fricking moronic motherfricker.
The ring is sentient and will find a way to come into the hands of another sentient.
What if you put the ring on your dick instead
It would trans you immediately.
>Why not just get rid of the thing that needs to be destroyed in order to beat the bad guy?
yeah and why didnt king arthur just throw excalibur back into the lake
I don't think you guys understand that Sauron doesn't need the ring to win.
He just needs the ring to not be destroyed.
If it was in the middle of the sea, probably no one would have picked it up, all the better for Sauron since no one will destroy it.
He waited 2.5k years until Bilbo picked it up, he can fancy waiting a few more
The ring is tied to Sauron's power. As long as the ring exists, even at the bottom of the sea, Sauron will have his power. Arguably it would be a worse idea to throw it in the sea rather than destroy it at Mt. Doom.
If you don't think their are evil fish loyal to Sauron you haven't been paying attention to the literature
There's the "fish will eat it" aspect but literally cast a fricking massive iron ball around it that weighs a metric shitton and roll it off the ship.
No whale is ever going to swallow that.
They're going to lose eventually to Sauron if the Ring isn't destroyed to keep him from coming back. Else he'll just keep coming back again and again as he can't be killed. YOLO'ing the Ring at Mt. Doom to try and end him is better than suffering his shit for eternity
why did they walk to a volcano 7000 miles away instead of just melting it at a nearby forge?
these elves and dwarves were all a bunch of fricking morons
>why did they walk to a volcano 7000 miles away instead of just melting it at a nearby forge?
>these elves and dwarves were all a bunch of fricking morons
Better question, why didn't one of the dwarves in Rivendell just destroy it by hitting it with his hammer?
Why didn’t Gandalf just tell the Balrog that he shall not pass?
Try paying attention to the movie/book.
was it 7000 miles?
It doesn’t even require a rebuttal. The ring is in a river for a while. It is a sentient thing that wants to go home and can exert control over others. It would literally just mind-control some sea life.
It would float at the top of the water until someone picked it up
These. It's a magic ring. Whatever it needs. Whatever it takes.
It's addressed directly in the book by Gandalf in Rivendell.
the gods drowned sauron in the ocean with the numenorians for their evil ways and he still survived. the ring would get eaten by some fish, then eaten by a whale, washed up on shore and found or some shit.
because eventually somebody will find it again
it may be tomorrow or it maybe in 2 billion years
somebody will find it
They should have brought back some lava from mount doom and melted it in the shire
If Gollum knew all along where the ring was, why did he never try to steal it?
He knew Bilbo was in a place called "Shire", that's all.
The canon explanation is that he went the wrong direction by mistake and ended up going to Mordor because Sauron is a magnet for evil people
It wasn’t by mistake. He was making his way toward the Shire but turned away because Sauron’s influence as the Ring’s true master drew him to Mordor.
No he started out going east instead of west because he apparently didn't know where the Shire was
>he apparently didn't know where the Shire was
to be fair few do and Gollum was a hermit for hundreds of years
You'd think that since there's only like three places in the world hobbits live that every hobbit would know where they are.
Until he interrogated Gollum, Sauron had no idea that hobbits existed. There were certainly no halfling communities that far south.
Gandalf tells Frodo that Gollum left the cave after a couple years and tracked Bilbo all the way to the Lonely Mountain and Dale where he found out that Bilbo had already returned to the Shire. It was at that point he turned away because he was being drawn to Mordor.
Why not just throw it into the sun?
Because it would manipulate a sun fish to bring it back to people.
the sun canonically does not exist at that point in the timeline
Do you really want an evil sun?
>throw ring into the sun
>the sun is now technically wearing the ring
>the sun is now invisible
>the world is plunged into darkness forever
>If anything animate or inanimate interacts with the ring then it becomes invisible
Is that why all the air in the hobbit universe is invisible?
that would be hilarious
Because the Sun and Moon are just Maiar like Gandalf and Sauron, circling the globe holding a flower and fruit of the Trees.
Giving one of them the Ring would be a terrible idea.
And before you mention it, giving it to Earendil would be stupid as well.
giving it to any 'great" being is a stupid idea, because it will either corrupt them into saurons servitude, or twist them into something horrific as galadriel vision of becoming the tyrant
you basically cannot name a person that wouldn't turn into something horrible over time or become a slave, because thats how ring works. You can be strong-willed, but this shit will keep whispering and tempting until you either fold or die
>you basically cannot name a person that wouldn't turn into something horrible over time or become a slave
ENTER
you got me there motherfricker but Eru larping avatar is out of the question
>goes to bang Goldberry
Why didn't they give the ring to a baby and then throw the baby into the fires of Mt. Doom?
Sam basically resists the ring by being a house Black
sauron was winning the war, hiding the ring or dropping it in the ocean doesn't stop him.
Because the only way to defeat Sauron is to destroy the ring. Why is that so difficult for you morons to understand?
Isildur beat him without destroying the ring
he wasnt beaten because he came back afterwards precisely because the ring was allowed to survive
well the fricker came back
I will never understand why this stupid invisibility ring is such a big deal
>it does a other thing when Sauronman get it in his as-
SHUT THE FRICK UP, NERD! NO ONE CARES
Based nerd trying to convince strangers he's knowledgeable about the subject but not TOO knowledgeable
>be a tolkien autist, start re-reading the books and reading the wiki heavily.
>see all the b8 in this thread
>trying my hardest not to respond
It's honestly hard, please stop posting so many moronic statements. I can't hold back any longer..
Eagles
Can you explain how Gimli knew what a nervous system was?
a dwarf rite of passage is dissecting an *lf
None of the characters are speaking English as we know it. Same deal with Sam and the potatoes. They weren’t actually what we know as potatoes.
So he just used the Middle Earthen word for nervous system, the question remains unanswered.
Sure, what’s your problem with that?
How did he know what a nervous system is? Was Dwarven medical knowledge that advanced?
Maybe it was. Why is that a sticking point with you?
It seems like an anachronism.
Nah, it’s fine.
How do orcs know what a menu is?
How is the inn named the prancing pony, the circus doesn't exist in middle earth
>How do orcs know what a menu is?
Sauron's Man had a whole town build around Orthanc and presumably there were food establishments and/or taverns for all the soldiers.
>How is the inn named the prancing pony
They had ponies in the Shire.
Why wouldn’t orcs know what a menu is? Taverns and inns and such exist in Middle-earth.
What does the circus have to do with anything?
some orcs are actually multilingual. 99% of americans are not
The europussies are coming out.. first american poster tonight.
U are literally arguing with a boomer Facebook meme
Plot hole trolls are always soundly defeated in these threads so it’s satisfying to read.
no, they aren't. Tolkien gays always boil down to "The ring is impossible to destroy. No one has the will to resist it's power" which is fricking moronic because if people actually believed this then they wouldn't have set on a quest to destroy it in the first place.
They knew the One Ring wasn’t impossible to destroy, it’s just that the chances of successfully infiltrating Mordor in order to destroy it were extremely slim.
>One Ring wasn’t impossible to destroy
I've seen a hundred of these threads and basically every plot hole is plugged up by no one having the will to actually destroy the ring.
Hobbits were the most resistant to its influence and even Frodo didn't have the will to destroy it, just to get it there. God had to intervene.
That isn't a plot hole you dipshit. It is a central component to the story. It is specifically why a hobbit had to carry it, because they could resist it the longest. It had a deliberate will of it's own and tempted people with power (or what they wanted). The hobbits could carry it because they were simple people living simple lives with no ambitions above farming, slamming hobbit puss, and smoking their pipes. Power and influence were nothing to them so the ring had nothing to offer. It literally tried to convince sam that he could be a better gardener because that was the only thing it could show him that might even vaguely tempt him.
The central fricking theme of the story is that humility and humbleness are virtues and the simple folk of the world have a magic in their lives that vile """things""" cannot fathom.
>the meek shall inherit the earth
Frick I hate you people so much.
i wanted to add something, but pretty much everythign was explained to lorelets and other morons by people who can still read a book and doesn't need everything perfectly and logically explained in a setting, where fricking magic exist, and elves return to valinor basically swimming up there into the air via hidden path. In this story, shit works like that, deal with it. Ring can be only destroyed in a fire of volcano that forged it. Only one volcano? what's the fricking problem, they don't have deserts too. Its explained more or less(not in 100% full complete way) in a book. Thats why book is so fricking great. That is why everyone was losing their shit when each movie was released and then people rushed to read books. it's fricking sad that in 2024 we have people, born into this world, and being a literal troglodytes unable to comprehend a greatness of a story written like that. With allt ech and knowledge readibly accessible at any point of the time, average human is reversing instead of advancing his wisdom and knowledge. You don't need to like something, to realize that's a work of a great art even if you don't enjoy it
to add to this anon point was also to show that a great heart can be found even in the most simple of humans(hobbits) even if you consdier them weak and useless, showing that even those small ones are capable of doing noble things
also somehow i feel sad looking at it
. Imagine living in the 3rd era and being completly clueless that below the sea there's a whole sunken continent with history, cities and other things that can never be restored and those who perished there are forever forgotten
>they don't have deserts
What about second deserts?
obviously meant desert, the sandy one, you fricking stupid Took holy shit why gandalf didn't end you c**t
Why didn't they put the ring a cement block and then throw the block into the ocean? It can't possess anyone now because it's encased in stone, it's deep underwater so nobody is going to find it, and no one will know the exact location because technology isn't advanced enough to record the exact location.
>throwing the only means of defeating Sauron into the sea
Rings of Power S2 cast is wild
Tolkein said the ring floats.
Did you watch the movie
Sauerkraut was already winning without the ring
Because Sauron didn't nessecarily need the one ring to win. If it had been dropped into the ocean he would have won at the Black Gate.
>let's throw away the only way to destroy satan
a lot of misunderstanding surrounding the nature of the ring comes from the fact that movie sauron is literally a flaming eye so the audience gets the impression that he's a impotent spirit who needs the ring in order to stage a comeback as if he's voldemort or something
already happened in the story and it didn't work, andy circus found it and it made him start eating sushi
would batman destroy the ring knowing it will kill sauron/, or throw it into the sea
If batman killed Sauron he would spend atleast 30+ years in prison for manslaughter, so it would make the most sense to hide the ring and indirectly cause millions of people to die because killing for a just cause = just as bad as plain murder.
What the frick is that,
we want the ps5 audience
evil shark
Even without the stupid ring in his possession he was still going to use his massive army to conquer middle earth. Hiding the ring accomplishes nothing.
>it WANTS to be found
Why not carry the ring in a casket held by 4 people. Doesn't corrupt them.
You wouldn’t even need to touch it to be corrupted enough. Just look at Boromir, he was just in presence of the ring.
the reasons for having to take the ring to mordor are in sum extremely contrieved
tolkien was a hack
>contrieved
Good job, anon.
did u think about it rationally yet
The *hits pipe* pasta has never really made sense.
why did it make people seethe
I don’t think it did. It’s clearly advantageous to have an attractive daughter because she’ll attract a higher quality provider for your grandchildren.
its notoriety clearly comes from making normies seethe
That wouldn't kill Sauron, he still has his bigass army thought would kill everyone. Even after the gay ass ghost army won at Gondor, Sauron still had a bigger army. They need to actually destroy the ring not just hide it forever.
Because the win condition for the free people of middle earth wasn't that Sauron simply doesn't get the ring, but rather that the ring is destroyed, taking Sauron with it, specifically because Sauron was regaining his strength and was poised to take over all of middle earth, with nobody left to meaningfully oppose him. Sauron could easily play for the time, everyone else couldn't.
Did you not see the giant octopus monster?
But Gandalf has revealed to us that we cannot destroy it by any craft that we here possess,’ said Elrond. ‘And they who dwell beyond the Sea would not receive it: for good or ill it belongs to Middle-earth; it is for us who still dwell here to deal with it.’
>‘Then,’ said Glorfindel, ‘let us cast it into the deeps, and so make the lies of Saruman come true. For it is clear now that even at the Council his feet were already on a crooked path. He knew that the Ring was not lost for ever, but wished us to think so; for he began to lust for it for himself. Yet oft in lies truth is hidden: in the Sea it would be safe.’
>‘Not safe for ever,’ said Gandalf. ‘There are many things in the deep waters; and seas and lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season, or for a few lives of Men, or for a passing age of the world. We should seek a final end of this menace, even if we do not hope to make one.’
Booklets make me sick.
>throw the ring in the sea
>so my country can be free
>you must grab him by his hourns
>then we'll have a big party
verification not required
Because basically there’s all sorts of nasty things in the ocean, including lesser Maiar that might be tempted by the ring, and shit like the kraken and other spooky deep sea nasties.
Not to mention that beneath a large portion of the ocean is the sunken land of Beleriand. Who knows what sorts of wights and ghosts of 1st age nasties are lurking in the deep.
>throw the ring into the ocean
>the ring sinks
>now the entire ocean is technically wearing the ring
>the ocean becomes invisible
Because Sauron can win without the Ring
Jesus read a book once in your life
how come nobody has asked about the ring's tax policy? that shit has been bugging me since 2001
The concept of tax-posting was funny but most of this board is too dumb to do it successfully.
For me, the catapult is now cannon.
>zoomers cannot handle smart and evil antagonists
I spit.
lol look at all the seething lotrcucks
Cope.
>make a moronic post
>people call you moronic
>"lol actually i made them mad with facts and logic"
>now let me not reply to their posts directly so they know I'm a baby
Terminal zoomer brain
you want Tolkein Cthulhu to find the ring?
That reminds me, the whole Holcrux shit in 'airy Popper is basically the b***h ripping off Tolkien, ain't it?
Except the Holcrux is actually vulnerable unlike the ring.
>return of the king came out in 2003
>rowling started work on the half blood prince in 2003
Holy kek not only did she rip off Tolkein she probably only knew about it because of the movies.
Horcruxes are just phylacteries which are used by liches across generic fantasy. I'm pretty sure those are inspired more by Koschei but I could be wrong.
You realize the Ring is also a sort of phylactery right?
Yes but you're retroactively assigning a later fantasy trope to the One Ring. Unless I'm mistaken about phylacteries being inspired by Koschei and they were actually inspired by the One Ring.
I just assume Rowling to rip off anything because that's what 'ary Pooper is.
Really they could have just.. thrown it off the edge of the earth.. it was flat before the world was broken.... I'm not joking. That's all that was needed
And where is this edge of Earth?
In the Lord of the rings the earth hasn't been broken. It's flat. So north south east west I guess lol.
And who would even venture that far?
Middle earth is literally surrounded by ocean.
couldnt sauronman just use magic to get it
or go swim
I swear internet IQ has decreased by 100 points each year.
Later we probably can't spell Sauron anymore, it would be sauran or something.
Middle earth is flat. So you throw the ring off it just falls endlessly through space. I get it's fantasy and there all these weird rules but gravity and momentum have to be in place. So just huck the ring off.
Ocean gays are worse than eagle gays, at least with eagle gays having only seen the film and having very little attention span I can see why they'd read their reddit theory and go "humf why didn't they use the eagles?" Even in the movies it is explained very clearly multiple times why they couldn't just cast the ring into the ocean.
The earth breaks eventually and rounds off. In middle earth it's a square. You could just throw the ring into space forever. It's a giant plot hole.
The world was made round thousands of years before LotR takes place.
Your right I was thinking sims time but before the changing.
You can travel faster in a sail boat than in on land until cars get involved.
And yes, the boat would stay in tact forever, no storm or anything would happen.
Why am I even responding to you?
I mean you could just throw it in some regular lava and wait for it to harden and then get buried under 50 trillion tons of granite
>Why not throw the reactor into the sea?
>why doesn't everyone become geologist and go hunting for safe volcanos to throw the ring in
Zoomers man.
Can we just try again? Can God unleash the first born plague against them?
IT would eventually be found. What is so hard to understand about that?
Because Sauron is going to win unless they destroy the ring. They would be throwing away their only hope.
It's like they didn't even watch the movies.
It's just kicking the can down the road, it'd eventually resurface. They wanted to end it once and for all.
It's a magic ring and would find its way back, this is covered in the opening of the movie
Yes
The ring calls out to people if it doesn’t have an owner so some sailor would dredge it up at some point
Also Sauron sees the ring as his weak point as it will destroy his soul if lost and is pretty much dead cert to win the war against the forces of good without it
Since the ring would always find its way back to Sauron as long as it exists, would something similar happen with the silmarils? They were never unmade. At some point they might resurface from the sea or from a volcanic eruption.
That's the idea, and the logic behind the debunked theory that the Arkenstone was the Silmaril that was swallowed by the earth.
But it's stated in the Last Prophecy of Mandos that after the Dagor Dagorath, the ocean will be drained and the earth rent open, and the Silmarills will be reunited and used to revive the Two Trees.
>what is fate
>what is magic
>*beelines straight to frodo*
The same video you got the thumbnail from explains the oceans are full of powerful beings like the water octupus which can sense and seek the ring. Tolkien conviently says the octupus has fingers.
The ring can exert its will to an extent, to manipulate its surroundings
aka being transported to land
It's magic, I don't have to explain shit
Frick this gay thread, post characters that could wear the one ring without being effected
Put the ring in a treasure chest made of lead.
Drop it in gayEarth's equivalent of the mariana trench
>inb4 scuba balrog with a flashlight
Frick off
>sauron destroys everyone and takes over middle earth
>has an infinite amount of time to now find the ring
If he had that kind of power on his own he wouldn't need the ring. He got BTFO regardless
Anon, that was the whole point of destroying the Ring rather than hiding it as you suggested. The humans, dwarves and elves no longer had the might to resist Sauron’s army and would’ve ultimately lost the war. Sauron recovering the Ring would’ve just sped up the process of domination.
If no one can find the ring it's as good as destroyed anyway. When gollum was hiding in a cave, using it to play with his dick the world could have built a fellowship to frick up the orcs and call it a day. That should have been a one day war. Tolkiengays would have you believe that 20 different things had to go right before the heroe could save the day when really it was just one game of keepaway which had already been won by one greedy fella
>oh no, the whole world is sad. We can't heal
People actually fall for this
It won't be you though, homosexual. I'd have you shitting 20-sided dice for a week
>If no one can find the ring it's as good as destroyed anyway.
No, moron.
If the ring is just missing, Sauron is still alive and doing his bullshit. He doesn't NEED the ring, but the power boost would be helpful.
If the ring is destroyed, Sauron is gone because most of his soul is in the ring.
>When gollum was hiding in a cave, using it to play with his dick the world could have built a fellowship to frick up the orcs and call it a day.
They literally couldn't have. The entire world was in decline that whole time. By the time LotR begins magic is fading, the elves are evacuating the world, most kingdoms of men are long since gone and the few remaining are on the verge of collapse, and the dwarves are almost wiped out.
Why bother replying? You notice the moron conveniently ignored the reply that completely blew the frick out of his dumb point. He's either trolling or a mollusk, either way there's 0 point in engaging him.
He’s actually stupid and that’s why these threads are satisfying to read. Plot hole trolls are always firmly defeated.
mollusk rights are human rights, homosexual
No wonder this Black person wants the ring in the ocean, he's waiting down there on the seafloor.
No, that’s not true. The Battle of Five Armies depicted in The Hobbit was a narrow victory with a lot of casualties and that was just regular orcs, not Saruman’s army of warriors. If the hobbits hadn’t by chance befriended Treebeard and the Ents, they would’ve been fricked.
>The Battle of Five Armies
Imagine admitting to watching that shit
He didn't though.
I’m referring to the book, anon. You are legitimately stupid and you should feel bad about yourself.
Television and Film. Cope
That battle is in the movie as well. You’re actually dumb.
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Whether or not you watched it is irrelevant. The battle is in both the book and movie, stupid.
Man I'd frick you to tears you little b***h. If you don't know the sweet science or some web homosexualry you need to sit down more often.
Holy frick I am tired of people coming into the thread, not reading the 100s of replies and posting the same take that has been disproven multiple times.
>If he had that kind of power on his own he wouldn't need the ring
HE DID have that power you ape, did you not watch the fricking movies? Sauron was winning. Even with all his losses he was still winning. He was so far ahead he simply didn't care. The entire premise of the last act of the last movie is that everyone is riding to their death to draw his attention on the off chance the ring might be destroyed because they're fricked.
He literally only lost because the ring was put into Mount Doom.
It’s depressing how many genuinely stupid people there are on this board. For every one that’s just baiting, there are ten actual morons like
You pathetic fricking moron.
There are a plethora of places where could actually learn the fricking lore. But no. You sit here and display your fricking stupidity for all the world to see.
You should have you fingers broken so you cant slap those greasy frickers on a keyboard anymore.
It's not even lore, it's information presented in the movie.
Wasn't the point to destroy it, not 'hide' it.
Same idea as 'why not hide it in a little hovel full of small hairy private creatures in a showbox'. Then the Rape Nazgul showed up.
Everyone's big argument is that if it's hidden then evil man in black will find it but in the same story two lil fellas of obvious israeli descent kept it hidden for centuries and lived in peace. Word only got out because the drunk wizard decided that he wanted to have an adventure. If Gandalf had gone to a pub with normal height people instead of fricking around with hobbits things would be fine
No, that’s not accurate. During the events of The Hobbit, Sauron was already rebuilding his power in disguise as the Necromancer. The Shire and its hobbit population were tucked away in a safe and naive corner of the world, but that wasn’t representative of the wider world outside their borders.
>he builds an army. again.
>he fights mankind and it's a coin toss victory. again.
Your point?
The army of goblins in The Hobbit weren’t affiliated with Mordor.
how did he build this tower without FAA compliant warning lights
simple answer is Sauron would still be around and directing shit, and while the books and movies do show the heros being able to beat his armies several times, they also make it clear that is at best just buying time and the other areas are being overrunned, if they don't destroy the ring soon Sauron would just simply keep sending his armies until they are overwhelmed and crushed, and when that happens Sauron just simply has to wait until the ring inevitably finds it way back to him since it does have a will of its own
Did they not pay any attention to Gollum's story?
You mean the story where he lost the ring in a cave and accidentally saved the whole world?
Why didn't Frodo just put the ring on his little hobbit wiener? Then Sauron would have to touch his peepee to get it back and he would be totally gay lol.
would the ring turn you invisible if you put it on as a wiener ring?
if frodo has the bug could he give sauron aids?
if i was in that fellowship it wouldnt have gone down the way it did
Why didn't the tree army and the ghost army team up and beat Sauron together?
Yes, normally it would be big green clouds of Galadirel's farts
meant for
Both armies didn't want to fight, the trees only wanted to clear the forest and the ghosts just wanted out of their oath.
Frodo didn't want to take the ring to Mordor but he still did it. Treebeard and ghost man can suck it up.
Shitty reasoning
In the book, the ghost army can’t physically fight. They just spread fear and panic wherever they go.
I mean in terms of the characters, maybe? The trees were not friends to the races. The ghosts were known deserters. The trees weren't exactly that powerful anyway and were charged wit watching over Saruman.
I mean if you want to talk about Black folk not fighting, the Dwarves were just going to sit in their holes.
That's kinda my point. I'm shitting on the story. The main issue was getting everyone to get off their asses to fight and much less about how the ring needs to be destroyed in order to beat him.
They were fighting. Sauron’s forces weren’t all located in the Gondor/Mordor region. Other places were under attack.
And they beat him once everyone finally got off their collective asses
Yes, but only because the Ring was destroyed and Sauron’s influence over his armies was broken.
What kind of buff does the eye in the sky offer to its minions beyond, "Oy! The boss is watching, yeah"?
Sauron can mentally dominate lesser beings. And the destruction of the ring kills him.
So he just tells them what to do, like any old general does. The good guys were only losing because they couldn't be arsed and because Aragorn didn't know he was the king who should have been telling everyone what to do.
No, it’s more like a form of mind control.
>NOOO! He really REALLY tells them what to do
Oh ok suuuuure
>all old white men look alike to hobbits
Kinda funny but I don't how that's relevant
So file that under 'couldn't be arsed' as well
Aragorn led them to victory at Helm’s Deep so that’s simply not true. You’re slipping.
>Aragorn didn't know he was the king who should have been telling everyone what to do.
Where did you get that notion? Aragorn knew exactly who he was descended from.
When Pippin looks in the Palantir and talks to Sauron, Sauron tells him to relay a message to Saruman. When Pippin wakes up he mistakes Gandalf for Saruman and relays exactly the message just as a reflex. He mind controls. Saruman and Gandalf can also do similar things.
See
. Once Sauron’s will over them was broken, a lot of his minions fled in fear.
You’ve been soundly defeated every single time itt. You’re not going to win against anons that know this stuff inside and out.
They would have been BTFO. Remember how the trees couldn’t damage orthanc? Every castle in Mordor was built like that. Also in the book the ghosts couldn’t actually fight, they just scared a bunch of sailors so bad they all jumped into the water and drowned.
A mermaid would've found it and put it on.
Why didn't he just throw the ring into a different volcano, instead of mt. Doom? If it was good enough for me watts (PBUH) it should be good enough for some gay ass ring
The merorcs will find it
Why didn't they have Glorfindel lead a decoy fellowship?
I like the idea, but they already kinda sorta did that. Aragorn marching on the black gate was essentially the "bait fellowship"
That was a whole army and that was after they already got the ring into Mordor. I mean they get Glorfindel and some elves and whoever else at the council wants to go, have one of them put on a fake beard and dress up like Gandalf, then just simply walk to Mordor but take the pass that Saruman was watching.
Cast the ring in uranium-235
As a society we should agree to outlaw adapting children's books. We should also just burn every children's book ever written.
What a silly notion. There are many great books written for a children. That said, Lord of the Rings was clearly written with an older demographic in mind.
Sauron doesn't need the ring to conquer the world, eventually he would win. The good guys need to either destroy or use the ring to defeat him. Throwing it in the ocean ensures Sauron's victory.
But he lost to them before
That was back when they had the combined might of Elves and Men at their peak.
Even if they somehow managed beat him without destroying the ring he'd just turn into a ghost again for another thousand years then come back
The war of the last alliance and the war of the ring were 2,000 years apart.
The elves had been leaving middle earth for even longer than that, and by the lotr they were diminished in numbers and power.
The human kingdom of Arnor had been completely destroyed. Gondor was in decline and was a shadow of its former glory. The "blood of Numenor" was not strong anymore, and only really in the nobility were they still the gigchads of old. They simply couldn't win this time.
Why didn't gandalf just hide the ring in his prison pocket and make a shiv out of frozen shit? Tolkien really dropped the ball on this one baka
Why didn't they make a little lock box for the ring and have Frodo carry it in that
What would that accomplish?
He wouldn't be able to put it on when it tempts him or the Nazgul do their bullshit. And if someone searched him they wouldn't see the ring they'd just see the box.
Pretty sure the Nazgûl can still sense the Ring through a israeliteelry box, anon.
was clerks 2 right about LotR
No (except for the homosexual erotic undertones)
If Gandalf can survive falling like a hundred miles down Moria fighting the balrog why didn't he just jump off the tower when Saruman left him up there
Why did Saruman let Gandalf keep his sword and magic ring in wizard prison?
What if you put the ring on your finger and then cut off your finger, would that satiate the ring and allow you to transport it without urges?
No.
The ring is not satisfied until it's reunited with Sauron, because it is the greater part of Sauron.