Has anyone noticed that this franchise is the only one that's on a normal release cycle? The first one came out in 2011, the second one came out three years later in 2014, the third one came out three years after that in 2017, and this one came out 7 years after that in 2024. This goes counterintuitive to the Disney/Marvel-style release schedule of having movies come out every year. Why is that?
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They make money, but not quadrillions enough to guarantee a yearly release.
More like they make monkey, amirite?
oh anon you card, you rapscallion you
They make monkey money
I think that's why it takes so long for each movie. They take alot of pride and time to make the CGI incredible
should i go to the cinema for this?
and is the new mad max just a revenge tale, whereas in this i want to see what happens
Yes, definitely. The visuals are gorgeous.
The director has been a vfx guy for a while. He released a fully cg short film like a decade ago
honestly its a better avatar 2 than avatar, the wildnerness shots are so damn kino
It's actually pretty good and the visuals are wonderful
I found it terrible: tons of story incongruencies, horribly written, soulless CGI fest. I didn't even find it that beautiful or visually captivating and I saw it in 4dx. I'm a little embarrassed I spent money on this.
>soulless CGI fest
CGI has ruined movies for me. I go back and watch shit from the 80s and the practical effects make everything feel more real.
I just want my beneath the planet of the apes. Safe to say they've given up the time loop plot entirely. Threw out the cool twist ending of the first one by starting at the third film of the franchise. I recall either the first or second one referencing a space ship on TV or some shit and someone claiming that was charlton heston/markie marks ship but doesn't seem to even matter anymore.
you mean the secret underground vault dwellers that sent pic rel to pretend to be a feral moron so she can trick the ape bros into helping her steal a goverment key and prevent the hostile ape kingdom from breaking into a abondanded weapons by letting them so she can drown ALL of them by blowing up the dam
theyre not physic humans like in beneath, theyre more like the humans from 12 monkeys and pic rel get sent to surface missions because shes immune
But what did she see in the telescope.
Remember she's also surprised at what she sees. At that point in the movie we believe she's feral, so we take it that she's also just surprised at looking in a telescope.
>it's the wormhole moron again
I BTFO you the first time you posted this asinine comment.
I didn't like them making her a normal talking human just like a modern one. The story of Noa being racist agaisnt feral humans and slowly warming up to her was more interesting if she was a smarter than average feral human. It was a compelling scene when he was amazed at her looking into the telescope with what he saw as some level of understanding.
I see were you're coming from, but I really liked what they did with her in the end. That she was the true bad guy of the movie and not Proxmius.
To keep the simile of Moses going, we are now seeing the biblical Israel being built and Proximus is one of the more misguided tribes that falls.
It's clear that the eagle tribe is the foundation of the true ape civilization now, and what Mae ended up doing has changed ape society forever.
For Caesar it was so important to keep the truce with humans that it ended up being his folly.
But now, only orally passed on, there's so little left of what Caesar taught them - Mae's action forever will make apes distrust humans. Show them as liars, killers and opportunists.
>I really liked what they did with her in the end
Yeah me too, I was prepared for a schmaltzy "they all lived happily together in the end", but this is the one series where they constantly state that there could only be ONE dominant species in the end.
I love how they keep fooling people with the marketing of these movies. How War really didn't have any war in it, and the war is mostly portrayed in the background between humans.
And in Kingdom with how they implied Proximus was the big bad guy, but he was really more of a misguided ape that succumbed to his own folly.
Same, I'm so glad they didn't turn this franchise into another generic adventure but with chimps.
Planet of the Apes is a bittersweet story, there is hope that we can go foward and survive but it's clear how there will never be a perfect world. How war is part of our own very nature.
>Planet of the Apes is a bittersweet story, there is hope that we can go foward and survive
That's not how Beneath the Planet of the Apes ends.
Yeah but that was the weird one where the X-men decided to join the movie for no reason at all to fight the apes for no reason at all.
of the Apes is a bittersweet story, there is hope that we can go foward and survive
>That's not how Beneath the Planet of the Apes ends.
The final movie of the original series had humans and apes living together in peace and harmony.
>humans. Show them as liars, killers and opportunists.
There's no evidence as yet that the normal humans want to wipe out the apes, (though no doubt this will be the case in later flicks) they just want to protect themselves from the monkey pox and get out of the bunkers they'e been living in for "generations".
She killed a fellow human. Lied a countless of times to Noa. Killed plenty of apes by blowing up the floodgates. She knows humans used to keep apes in captivity and never told them.
If she wants to kill all apes or not, her actions has changed how humans will be described by Noa's growing kingdom from now on.
>She killed a fellow human.
She killed a traitor who was helping the apes who planned on genociding humans.
>Lied a countless of times to Noa. Killed plenty of apes by blowing up the floodgates. She knows humans used to keep apes in captivity and never told them.
Her mission was get the hard drive and save humanity, she was forced to do what she had to do and was justified in doing so.
>If she wants to kill all apes or not, her actions has changed how humans will be described by Noa's growing kingdom from now on.
Well, you can't plan for everything but had William H. Macy not turned traitor, odds she could have gotten into the vault without harming any apes.
Yes, all of that is true from the human perspective.
But from the perspective of apes that up to only a few days ago, only knew humans as a mythological creature they call echoes, she's turning on her own kind, leading them into deadly situations and killing off their kind without much thought for anything else than her mission. Which she constantly lies about.
Remember, Noa was first hurt by her when she didn't reveal she could talk in their company after she was in trouble and needed Noa's help.
This blew his mind that she so openly lied.
His reaction to her having blatantly lied almost gives the impression that apes aren't supposed to lie. Like he seemed almost shocked at the concept.
She also broke his eagle egg, that made Lighting & Co make the horse lead them to the eagle tribes homestead. That she waited so long to speak to him, and pretended to be feral at first. Ye, its very clear she is breaking tons of ape laws.
Who cares what the apes think? She was on a mission to literally save humanity form extinction.
You never consider things from more perspectives?
Not when the survival of humanity is at stake.
Yeah it's so nice to finally have a "bad" ending for once. The main character got betrayed by a side character that you're supposed to like and think they have a bond while proving the "bad" apes right and perfectly setting up the rest of the trilogy
i thought it was brilliant, it was a little uplifting to see humans endure after so long and not kill themselves like complete morons. It wasnt even an ass pull they put little details to foreshadow like her talking about the "special book" or killing the human informant. She didnt even do anything wrong she stopped the literal Black person aztecs from getting tanks and terrorizing other tribes. Promixas admitted hes genocided the humans he captured, he was on a full race war.
>Promixas admitted hes genocided the humans he captured, he was on a full race war.
Indeed, Cinemaphile is full of edgy 12 year olds who think he's "bad ass!".
Proximus deliberately said he was sad and upset his brutes killed the humans. And they probably killed them in self defense too knowing what a psycho Mae was.
>said he was sad and upset his brutes killed the humans.
only because he thought they would have valuable information and help him make/get more weapons
No shit. No one does anything for free. But in comparison to Koba or other villains he was incredibly reasonable and generous to humankind.
He didn't lock up or torture Mae or the Travethan guy, he just wanted their help and for them to be comfortable.
He didn't count on Mae having a genocidal maniac agenda
>he just wanted their help
what do you think will happen once they outlive their usefulness dumb dumb? and he only let mae go because he didnt want to get blasted by the revolver.
he was rightfully pissed off because he gave Mae a hot shower, food, and freedom to walk around and she immediately killed his best friend / trusted advisor and planted fricking bombs everywhere
Btw travethan was totally useless but he had been there for a long long time living a good life because he was homies with proximus
>But in comparison to Koba or other villains he was incredibly reasonable and generous to humankind.
Proximus was cunning, not reasonable.
Mae did nothing wrong, hoomans were only interested in getting the internet back up to play tf2. Apes werent a threat to them until they wanted to steal tanks so Mae put an end to that. Proximus on the otherhand killed the birn frens, he had it coming
Pretty bird, honestly very touching how his father risked his life to save them all from the burning tower
>Proximus said
He was lying thru his teeth, we saw his troops slaughtering feral human without a second thought, they even kill other apes who stand in their way. He was smart enough to realize William H. Macy was an asset but even so, the guy was clearly a prisoner and a slave.
Proximus was upset at the bad training and brutality of his soldiers. BTW, I don't recall a single feral human being killed during that sequence.
Chased and lasso'd, yes, to find Mae but no one killed
>Proximus was upset at the bad training and brutality of his soldiers.
He was putting on a show.
>BTW, I don't recall a single feral human being killed during that sequence.
Do you honestly believe the apes let them go?
>I didn't like them making her a normal talking human just like a modern one.
They should have dressed her up in a rag bikini like the original PotA chick to maintain her cover story because as soon as we saw her in pants and t-shirt, it was clear she was a normal human.
>pic rel get sent to surface missions because shes immune
I still believe that (unless she shows up in the next flick) the secret agent chick sacrificed herself and will catch the monkey pox and become a speechless savage.
yes i think that too, it was a suicide mission for a greater human good, maybe she is inmune but the others dont know if the virus mutated or if is still dangerous to humans, better be safe and let her in the wild
Would be kino if in the sequel Noa finds her feral in the wild, and it actually made him feel sorry for the humans.
Freya my wife
>I recall either the first or second one referencing a space ship on TV
It was the first one.
The normal release schedule ensures that the sequels are much of higher quality than they otherwise would be.
Planet of the Apes is one of the few franchises that gets to fly under the radar. People love to watch these movies yet no one really cares about them.
Planet of the Apes franchise at this point in time is an anomaly.
If you can turn off your brain and enjoy the visuals and score you will have a fun time. But if you spend more than 30 seconds thinking about the vault plotline you will see this is yet another trash script written by Hollywood hacks. The film overall is watchable -- barely salvaged from toilet water status via talented direction.
What's wrong with the vault plotline? The only thing I can think of is how did May escape from the flood?
>how did May escape from the flood?
She was already along the sideline when she detonated the bomb and had a few seconds to get to higher ground compared to the apes smack dab in the center.
>The sprawling Kingdom covers a wide expanse, yet no one in the months they were working there did anyone look a few hundred feet to the other side and identify the large and obvious vent/exhaust for the vault?
>The power in the vault comes from where? Must have been quite the enduring reserve/emergency power system.
>The dam stops 15 feet of surf from washing in to the vault, yet it somehow floods 8 stories? And Noa is fighting the gorilla with water splashing from above? Where is this extra water coming from? What should happen: the tanks would flood at the bottom and the rest of the vault upstairs would be a-ok.
>Just kinda noteworthy, not really a plothole: May knows exactly where to go, down to knowing the exact drive to pull immediately. No blueprint/schematic/what-have-you is that granular.
Well on that last note, she had notes and a map that were confiscated, maybe she just remembered it?
> yet no one in the months they were working there did anyone look a few hundred feet to the other side and identify the large and obvious vent/exhaust for the vault?
The vent was on top of a massive cliff far away from the camp. I'm not saying they couldn't have found it but it wasn't just a few hundred feet away.
What about Monsterverse? 2014, 2017, 2019, 2021 and 2024
It wouldn't be possible to make believable monkes (the main characters) without years of post-productions. Just look at the ragdolls churned out by the Disney and DC capeshit-verses
>years of post-production
Filming for this one began in October of 2022 and wrapped in February of 2023. There was probably less than a year's worth of post-production, considering the trailer was released in February/March of 2024.
They probably spent more time in pre-pro than post-production.
Do I need to watch previous movies to understand this?
Not really. They give a brief explanation of what happened at the beginning of the movie and the plot is mostly self contained. I still implore you watch the previous 3 movies at some point because they're just really good movies.
Yes and no
They reference the last trilogy pretty heavily and the name Caesar is meant to already carry some weight with the audience, but the story makes perfect sense on it's own
They're the only franchise where the creatives care and put their all without any garbage of the modern filmmaking paradigm.
They can't do the CGI fast enough to come out quicker
Holy shit, just came back from the movie. Proximus literally did nothing wrong, even the movie said so.
>Proximus was right.
That was a literal line in the movie spoken by the main character. Extremely based, kill all human scum.
did you like it?
Absolutely, had a blast. It's a classic hero's journey with a really bleak but true message at the end. I liked how it sort of retconned War's ending where they imply that all humans became dumb. It makes sense that there are still pockets of smart humans around and that apes should find them and kill them all
We were talking about how it sort of retconned the end after the movie as well, but it struck me that since our perspective is always mostly on the apes there's plenty of human plans and actions we never see. Just because the Colonel gives small hints that his group are the last resistance against the now infected humans (and I love how when Caesar meets the opposing fraction before the avalanche they don't speak or say any words), there could very well be lots of things the Colonel doesn't know about. For instance that a large group of elite people have gone underground.
in no way is it a retconn, humans live in bunkers hiding from the mutated strain and only send immune people out
its a natural progression of the story
I don't think they were immune. It was probably a one way suicide mission. They didn't let her back into the bunker after all and it looks like she knows that too
Remember, the initial virus that wiped people out is gone. What's affecting people is a new strain. She'll probably go feral over a long period of time.
the kirby guy lived to old age and wasnt a bunkerchan. Looks more like a homage to the 12 monkeys movie where they hose her down and send her on another mission. Theres no way they'd send young female out alone unless they had to
They didn't send her alone. She was with a group. Proximus said his troops killed her group before they realized they were useful. That's how Proximus obtained the map with the vault information.
she larped along with the feral humans to sneak around. That was her whole thing, she lied the entire time.There is zero way a group of armed humans is going to lose against some chimps who dont even know what a gun is. Because those same chimps were scared shitless by a single revolver.
Covert mission requires people to stay covert? What a shock.
Nothing I presented is made up. This is all presented in the film, from Proximus. Mae was not a lone agent. She was with a group heading for the vault. That group was killed by Proximus scouts before they realized they were useful. He had Mae's map and had his scouts specifically hunt her down, alive.
According to some of these gay wikis, Mae and her group aren't bunker people either. They were an outside group that got in communication with the bunker group. I need to actually verify where they got that info. Point is, she isn't some lone secret agent. Armed or not, her group lost.
>citing a fan wiki
You baboon. Learn to read. The only thing I cited was Mae not being a bunkerhead and I was skeptical on that. Everything else is factual.
Speaking of, why are there no baboons in these movies?
what about the little monkey fellas? are they smart or still dumb?
Because they're moronic and hanging out in this thread.
>WHY PRIMITIVE MONKEY SHOCKED AT GUN?
IR is so great
Baboon smart
There are no old world monkeys anywhere, it could be a fun plot element if they want to pursue the series further where the chimp, gorilla and orangutan-led culture which developed from Caeser comes into conflict with another society with different primate dynamics or something along those lines.
I looked it up, and they wanted to make baboons but weren't able to do it without them looking like dogs so they scrapped it.
>Ape civilization spreads into monkey-dominated lands, basically recreating the story of the aryan invasion of India by establishing the three major ape species above the monkey species
>Speaking of, why are there no baboons in these movies?
>what about the little monkey fellas? are they smart or still dumb?
It would be cool to have other species of intelligent monkeys. The original movies had the orangoutangs as the leaders/priests, the chimps as the scientists/engineers and the gorillas as the warriors, so having other species doing other stuff would work.
Baboons are actually pretty scary and more dangerous then chimps and would make for more dangerous warriors, while something like gibbons could act as builders and such with their greater dexterity, etc.
Baboons aren’t even apes so it doesn’t work for the title. Gibbons and macaques maybe.
Maybe some Africans are spared from the virus too because they have “archaic human DNA” apparently, so older, less-evolved, more ape-like pieces of archaic humans in their genome.
No, that’s not what archaic hominid means.
Raka briefly mentioned Hibbons as well. I'm really hoping to see those little dudes.
baboons are still monkeys so what i wanna see baboons and mandrills and probiscus monkeys
>There is zero way a group of armed humans is going to lose against some chimps who dont even know what a gun is
One of the films many story incongruencies: Wouldn't Trevathon have told Proximus Caesar about guns during 'story time'? Wouldn't the apes know what guns are due to the oral and aural history of the struggle between ape and man? The entire gun scene with Proximus being shocked and excited by the gun felt like a soapbox anti-gun moment: "Oh look, only a literal ape would be excited over the prospect of arming his faction with guns", despite the fact a human just used one to kill an ape. Movie was shit.
Proximas knew guns existed in history thats why he wanted the vault, he obviously didnt understand a revolver doesnt have infinite ammo
No he wanted to get into the vault because he thought it would lead to 'instant E-vo-lution, another plot point that doesn't make sense since he doesn't explain why he thinks that or what the basis for this belief is. He clearly has never seen a gun before since when she fires it he doesn't say 'where can I get more guns like that? Are they in here?" he says "are there more of those in here?" He clearly has never seen a gun before, the movie was very clear about that based on his reaction.
He wants to get his hand on new tech. His speech details his understanding of time and his own mortality, he understands that eventually apes will get to that point but he wants to skip ahead and to be a leader of the ages. He is almost hegelian in that sense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectures_on_the_Philosophy_of_History
evolution is a biological process, not a technical one. If he wanted to get his hands on new tech, to become more advanced technically, he would have worded it differently. This is what I mean when I say the movie was written poorly. The entire motivation for entering the vault, what he hopes to find it it specifically, is unclear.
evolution is economic theory
No, it's a biological theory about changes. They theorize these changes by the environment operating on a creature in minute ways. That's it. Not very complicated.
Malthusian control wants you to think its biological, but its just economics forced onto the people.
Anyway you wrangle it regardless, its a movie franchise built on the fact that James Franco wanted to cure John Lithgow's alzheimer's by testing a drug on an ape that led the ape to speak and think like humans.
Nitpicking stuff like this is on par with that youtube channel that "counts the plotholes" thing.
>he would have worded it differently.
he is a fricking monkey you tard, he cant even speak english correctly nor read and you expect him to correctly use the english language correctly?
and just because the guy is reading him stories on the roman empire, doesnt mean he will explain every single thing to the monkey.
Exactly. Proximus has a scope of the concept of becoming a warlord but he doesn't seem smart enough to execute it without his human handler telling him how to conduct warfare.
he never saw a gun because the humans he had killed didnt have any because they were feral
As I mentioned here
, he should at least be aware of what they are. It is unrealistic to believe he had no way of knowing what they were at all.
he believes humans used to have the power of flight, its been 300 years anon I dont think he knows how to reload a gun
>I don't think they were immune. It was probably a one way suicide mission. They didn't let her back into the bunker after all and it looks like she knows that too
Thank you, I thought I was the only who felt this way. Not to mention, it adds a poignant element to the story, with her walking away from the bunker after completing her mission and looking off in the distance, wondering when she'll lose the ability to speak and go feral.
>the kirby guy lived to old age and wasnt a bunkerchan.
I believe he was a bunker human and was no doubt already old when he ran off and would have gone feral eventually.
Having naturally immune humans is a cop-out. It's been "generations" since the shit hit the fan and if there had been immune humans, they'd have been the only ones allowed to breed, so as to pass on the immunity so humans could eventually go back to the surface.
>completing her mission and looking off in the distance, wondering when she'll lose the ability to speak and go feral.
she's looking up towards the sky, towards the thing the apes are also looking at in the telescope at the same time, and that we almost get to see before the movie cuts to the credits.
what if is a super space station and after all the movies humans will go to the stars and let the monkeys inherit the earth.
After a few millenia we can go back and frick them with lasers while they are in their tik tok monkey era
kirby guy would have no reason to help apes if that was the case, imagine only having weeks to live and not pouncing on all the wild tard pussy
>kirby guy would have no reason to help apes if that was the case,
He ran away for some reason, so he obviously he didn't give a frick about the bunker humans and knew he was going to go feral at some point anyways.
>imagine only having weeks to live and not pouncing on all the wild tard pussy
Dude, it would be like fricking a smelly dog.
Gross. Only a degenerate would frick a feral. Like having a tard hump you.
I suppose if you captured a cute feral chick and bathed her and spanked her into obedience, it would be ok.
How can you even get erect if she’s grunting and shrieking like a deaf chick?
Imagine being THIS much of a onions chugger
But how? It wouldn’t even feel like real sex. It’d be like breeding a squirming livestock in heat that has no idea what she’s doing beyond instinct.
>It wouldn’t even feel like real sex.
How would you know?
man are you guys seriously 30 year old virgins
you know the original movies had secret undeground humans that werent stupid right?
shut up you stupid monkey
He's the first villain in quite a long time in Cinemaphile that truly had a good point and plan, meanwhile those Marvel movie bad guys usually go full moron I mean just look at Magneto hilariously stupid plan at X-men 97, Maximus didn't frick up, he was a good leader to the end.
and the brilliance is that neither did the humans
b***h was always strapped and ready to put noah down
based around chimps never relax
TAD
>Proximus literally did nothing wrong,
wrong he went around killing fellow chimp tribes and tried to emulate humans but comes out as a cheap haiti clone of Black folk that just steal and destroy everything
Most early kingdoms are Hati-tier. Early Frankish, Lombard, and Briton kingdoms in 400-500AD were led by tribal brutes.
He didn't want to kill all humans through he just rightfully didn't trust them but still got along with them if they were useful. Honestly it looked like the guy treated everyone not a part of his kingdom like shit.
he flat out states he wants the human holocaust
Movie should've been Proximus conquering lands and sending Noa into exile. 2nd movie will be about Noa gathering forces and becoming the leader of a new ape nation. 3rd movie will be Proximus vs Noa. Yeah sounds kinda cliche but I'm tired of seeing humans. This is the same exact problem with Warcraft where Orcs overshine Humans and would've served the movie better if it was all about Orcs.
I think this new trilogy won't focus on one ape through 3 movies. Noa's story is over. We'll timeskip again in the next one.
this would be for the best. The consistent protagonist mattered for Caesar's story.
The next movies should have different protagonists. This movie ended perfectly with no clear antagonist and multiple interpretations leading to a distrust between the ape societies and the technologically advanced humans banding together
Villain who is absolutely right and defeating them was an unintentional frickup by the hero > Villain who is absolutely right then goes full psycho at the last minute to justify the hero and dismiss the villain’s attitudes
>then goes full psycho at the last minute to justify the hero and dismiss the villain’s attitudes
I personally don't think Proximus was completely in the right, but him going bananas at the end is pretty justified considering his dream and all he's been working for has gone up in smoke.
I mean, he got the apes into the rust-age, and to see all that fall.
I like how no one in the move was right or wrong
Like Proximus is wrong to kill and enslave other tribes and would have destroyed so much with the human weapons and tech but he was right about advancing apekind and really seemed to care for them despite enslaving a lot of them
I was fully expecting Proximus to kill or punish everyone involved after they failing to open the gate.
Dude just goes "yeah, well better luck next time I suppose"
Cant exactly bring forth a new ape age and be leader of it with blood of your fellow apes on your paws
Pretty sure he was going to kill Noa and his helpers. He told Mae she could go because she was pointing a gun right at him and he had what he wanted anyway.
maybe because they were all cold-blooded murderers and accomplices who killed travethan, his best buddy, and planted bombs all over his home
Ape not kill Ape
SAY HIS WORDS
The Apes franchise isn’t really one you can have too many different movies about because audiences simply won’t remember or relate to too many different ape characters at once.
You need a core cast of apes to remember. Otherwise you simply will forget who is who given there’s only so much difference you can make between cgi monkeys and apes.
It’s why weirdly to me other than the very first movie, the humans feel like the more memorable character outside of caessr. Not just because they’re the villains but because we are humans and therefore remember them more
I have a feeling that Maurice and co. intentionally stunted the growth of the ape civilization, with small clans like Noa's deliberately staying isolated. If the Lawgivers came to the same realization as Caesar, that both humans and apes are hopeless and warlike, then it made sense that they would prioritize peace over expansion. Of course it only took one charismatic ape like Proximus to pervert and abuse Caesar's name.
But the tragic thing is that Noa's experiences ended in him getting redpilled, and we already see that he's smarter than average. Now this young ape is going into cities to learn human technology, and he has a village full of apes that see him as a heroic leader.
I thought it was really interesting that we got two versions of "Apes together, strong." Proximus was concerned with literal strength and apepower as a means of dominating the world. Noa had the strength and support of his community to call the eagles. So you have strength from power and fear, and strength from compassion and community at odds with each other.
promixmus was full of shit, he wanted everything for himself and let the girl go as soon as HIS life was in danger despite her only having a revolver while surronded by apes
Yeah, that's the point. His strength is only superficial. Noa has real strength with his tribe.
You are incorrect.
WHERE ARE THE MEN?
I was completely expecting to see an ape x human relationship on this one and they did an 180 with the girl ready to pop a cap on the chimp's ass at the end
Will the next one just be called Planet of the Apes and have astronauts coming back to Earth 2,000 years later?
I think the Astronauts will show up in the next trilogy, the first trilogy was stone age and Caesar rule, this one is their first developed civilization with basic clothes and buildings and the creation of Caesar religion.
>I think the Astronauts will show up in the next trilogy
I think the new series will drop the time traveling astronauts, as the bunker humans are stand-ins for us normal humans that Charlton Heston represented in the original flick.
there is still plenty of time before the time travelers arrive, the apes still look like 98% normal apes, but if you look closer, the hair and face are slowly evolving to look like 70's apes
I hope they don't just remake the original. Just leave it as canon to the new series as it is.
That's pretty pointless to be honest. What for? Everyone already knows the twist. Tim Burton tried to put a spin on it but it just pales in comparison with the original.
Because people will want to see the original characters return, it has beed 50 years already it makes sense to bring them back.
This is unironically the only good movie the fricking Mouse released in years. A movie about fricking talking chimps is better than any of their other content.
You had us goin' with the "every-three-years", and then you mention 2024. Frick you.
I just realized that the ending is the same as X-Men First Class lmao
I don’t even mind. That First Class scene is one of the most kino from the last ten years.
>you le....WANT TO REBUILD....HOOMAN BAD KEEL HOOMANS!!!
i like how he pretends apes werent going around killing apes
If I were to draw this gorilla accurately, I would be arrested for racism
YER A GORILLA Black person homosexual
>Koba is a Bonobo
>Proximus is a Bonobo
what are they implying here
It's interesting cause Bonobos are actually less violent than chimps. Maybe the virus effected Bonobos in such a way that they are more of a schemer. Koba did a whole false flag operation to attack humans. Proximus was a charismatic leader with an overarching plan for his kingdom. Caesar and Noa prefer to handle problems in a more direct manner.
>Caesar and Noa prefer to handle problems in a more direct manner.
I remembered in Dawn that Caesar nearly killed Koba in a straight fight at the dam. I bet the Lawgivers left that out of their bible lmao
>ape only leave ape with 1 hp
>It's interesting cause Bonobos are actually less violent than chimps.
I'd suggest "violence", as opposed to "aggression" is an aspect of intelligence; smarter species are more violent because they can better conceive the results of their violence, A shark for example will bite you because it wants to eat you, whereas (intelligent) dolphins occasionally attack just for the frick of it.
There's a theory that the first humans wandering out of Africa weren't particularly violent and it was only after thousands of years of predation by hyper-aggressive Neanderthals, as well as interbreeding with Neanderthals (via rape of human women) that we evolved into the globally dominant and outrageously violent species we are today.
so why did they need the birds to beat proximus? there were like 20 of those chimps against a single bonobo they could just pile on him and kick his ass or push him off the cliff
rule of cool
Ape shall never kill ape.
Fear really. It's not an unrealistic scenario. I've seen fights break out where people could jump in and break it up with sheer numbers but they just stand back and watch or record.
I saw two chicks going at it at a parking lot of an In-n-Out. We all just stood and watch. One of them walked to their car and busted out a tire iron from her car and her friend jumped out to hold the girl down. Only the In-n-Out drive thru guy with a paper hat and I jumped in to stop the fight. Everyone else continued watching or recording.
if his tribe werent complete pussies they wouldnt have been captured by 8 bonobos
I feel like the apes still have that "must follow alpha male" mentality. When Noa's mom got captured she was like "welp we're in Proximus' land now, he's our King"
Like they don't even bother chaining the prisoners up, Noa was free to run around doing whatever in the kingdom
It's a display of his strength. He's from a tribe with a unique skill, he starts calling the birds and his tribe joins in. Apes together, strong.
I feel like they baited us with Noa looking a bit like Caesar (lighter face, blue/green eyes). It made me think that he was just gonna be another Caesar clone
Caesar
>Grew up in a loving environment
>Gets imprisoned, breaks free
>Escapes to the woods, content, still misses the humans sometimes.
Noa
>Grew up in a loving environment
>Gets imprisoned, breaks free
>"I'm gonna build my village stronger and bigger with all the shit I learned from you, human b***h. We're going to war."
he has to be a descendant, makes sense because his tribe just wanted to chill with nature
He probably is, but again that's 200 years later, his entire tribe is probably Caesar descendants.
Calling it now, maybe not this triology but next triology the apes will advance enough to do science and genetic development and make giant eagles and pull a lotr at then end, when all seems lost, Noa or whoever will sing and get him airlifted out
I don't think this will be a trilogy like the caesar trilogy.
I feel like both Noa and Mae's story is over, next entry I'm guessing will be set a bit further along apestory again.
>I feel like both Noa and Mae's story is over, next entry I'm guessing will be set a bit further along apestory again.
I think Mae goes feral and this is the last we'll see of her but I'm guessing the next flick will have an older Noa and he'll again be the main character, fighting off the bunker humans who now have a cure for the monkey pox and so can now go outside to reestablish human civilization.
feels like the twist this time is Fall of the planet of the Apes
certified footkino
any good shots in the movie?
yes but possibly a body double
not anymore after this movie probably. it will be as over-saturated as everything else from Hollywood
>itt: newbies who don't know how to use spoiler text
I've seen the movie but seriously guys?
Only you fricking American degenerates would make and sustain an entire franchise of anti-human films where literal chimpanzees frick human women. Nihilistic, self-hating homosexuals
Please get help with that victim complex you have going there
Shut the frick up. Monkey loving cuck
Get a load of this guy getting mad about being cucked by CGI monkeys lmao
>where chimps frick women
homie what are you on about the only monke on human relations is like Marky Marky in the shitty Apes movie and that’s a female ape. Let me guess, THAT’S okay with you though?
>Only you fricking American degenerates would make and sustain an entire franchise of anti-human films where literal chimpanzees frick human women. Nihilistic, self-hating homosexuals
The original story was written by a Frenchman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Boulle
He wrote Bridge on the River Kwai too so most of Cinemaphile should worship him.
She's ugly
>Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
I was going to make another complaint about the clunky title, but the movie was pretty good. That makes 4 decent to good movies in a row and for modern Hollywood it's a goddamn miracle. If the worst thing in this franchise is its stupid titles, I'll fricking take it
The worst thing was the story, it had no clear message and was clunky setup for a trilogy. I thought this movie was awful. I'm surprised so many anons like it.
why is the story clunky in your eyes? Its Apocolypto with apes
Brainlet here. Can someone explain the final scene to me?
Was Mae preparing to kill Noah behind his back because she was afraid of his superior intelligence? He seems smarter than her even with her knowledge of human technology.
she was a agent sent to retrieve a goverment key and stop apes from arming themselves. She flat out executes a human traitor. She always had that gun and never relaxes around apes.
There are rumors circulating about an interview with Freya Allan were she recounts filming an alternative ending, in this ending she points the gun to Noa's head and only puts it down after Noa mentions Raka.
It's possible the gun scene is a remnant of that ending.
It's possible she was afraid he would act out after her betrayal.
It's possible she wanted to kill him because he was too smart to be left alive but changed her mind when he gave her the symbol.
he wasnt very happy about her drowning a shit ton of his buddies
>Was Mae preparing to kill Noah behind his back because she was afraid of his superior intelligence?
I think she was just being careful in case he chimped out on her.
Mae is literally the around blacks never relax poster personified
>Around the ape never alleviate
You’re telling me Apes are the dominant species on earth, have horses, societies, and even tasers but no access to any firearms? You would think after 200 years they’d learn how to find and use them.
Didnt they literally have gunpowder too? When trying to melt the doors and setting up the dam bombs?
I think what the Apes lacked was a written language, something that's more effective than oral tradition. That's what allowed humans to advance so fast. Something happened that made the Apes forgot how to read (Maurice and Raka's order knew how). I honestly would like a prequel showing how Maurice's line failed to keep Caesar's legacy intact
Are we even in the same area in this film? Caesar's clan was isolated from the rest of the world. I don't think their level of intelligence was the norm. Bad Ape only picked up on speaking from mimicking humans, and he was pretty bad at it.
I think their development is marred by the fact that most of the tools they find belonged to humans. There's a pretty deep stigma that everything the humans did was bad and they weren't completely wrong
For the humans it was an unchecked, unceasing series of "why nots"
>Let's see if putting together a piece of wood and string could launch a projectile
>Let's try to split the atom lmao
>Let's try to make a cure for Alzhei-
With the Apes it's like
>Let's not touch that bright coloured piece of plastic, it might be poisonous
>Let's not read those funny symbols, they might melt your brain
>Let's not use too much metal, the humans did and look where that got them
>>Let's try to make a cure for Alzhei-
Thermite, and only because William H Macy’s character showed them how to use it
Reminder Caesar is a worse leader than Proximus.
His kingdom was small and undeveloped, he couldn't control his underlings, he couldn't stop Koba and 90% of his tribe from slaughtering tons of humans and imprisoning them in cages.
Meanwhile Proximus is well-educated, kind and fair to his subjects by giving them food, allows them to travel through his kingdom and sleep wherever.
He allows traitorous b***h Mae to plant bombs in his home the FIRST NIGHT THERE after giving her a feast.
Let's be real, Mae could have gotten her hard drive in exchange for that locker with only 5 guns in it. She just wanted to kill tons of apes and frick over gracious host proximus.
Yes, the minions of proximus killed Mae's group but Proximus is upset and regretful of having such brutes in his army and lets be real: Mae's group 100% shot first it was self defense
>or that locker with only 5 guns in it.
there was more than that
I disagree. It was a locker of personal weapons like revolvers and random shit. Not a government stash of machineguns. Why would someone bring grandpappys deer rifle and handgun to a bunker if there were lots more guns
>It was a locker of personal weapons like revolvers and random shit.
Poor movie scene, but its supposed to be a govt bunker, and it has a small fleet of tanks and jeeps, they would have ammo for those tanks, fuel and lots of guns.
bullshit Caesar won a war against the US militsry and created an empire that lasted 300 years while proximus destroyed it in a single lifetime
He won by doing nothing and letting the avalanche take everyone out. Him being low IQ allowed Koba to destroy an entire human colony
you measure of a good leader is a haitian Black person that lost against a woman KEK
No he didn't. The military wiped itself out. The Apes would have never had to fight at all if not for Koba
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
>Let's be real, Mae could have gotten her hard drive in exchange for that locker with only 5 guns in it.
And the Tanks?
To answer OPs question another anon had a great answer yesterday. We can't have masculine conflict dramas anymore because of israelites and women, but studios want money from the underserved market. So they throw us a banana and a monkey movie to enjoy. Also as a reminder the MSM literally said Trump demanded the 'gorilla channel' be played on tvs in the whitehouse.
Disney didn't Fox back then. Get ready for Apes material to get pumped out like in the 70s.
>Planet of the Apes (1968)
>Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
>Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)
>Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)
>Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973)
>Planet of the Apes: Season 01 (1974)
>Return to the Planet of the Apes: Season 01 (1975)
>Planet of the Apes (1968)
>Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
>Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)
>Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)
>Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973)
>Planet of the Apes: Season 01 (1974)
>Return to the Planet of the Apes: Season 01 (1975)
56 year old here and back when I was a kid, the local VHF tv station would periodically run a "Planet of the Apes Week" and we'd all rush home from school to catch the movies.
>one black person
>one ethnically ambiguous
Those truly were the days.
You’re light-blue dress aren’t ya?
How do you guys feel about the human ape symphatizer? That part was a nice twist and I wish could have been explored more.
Was the implication that he was the first one to be sent on the mission to retrieve the satco?
He said he broke his legs after finally reaching the beach. And then Mae said no one would have to know what he had done here, and that he could come with her.
I really liked the implication that his shows some humans are immune to the new virus, since he had been there for a while and not turned savage.
The Monsterverse is also on a normal release cycle and is similarly successful. Despite the gay franchise title it's a straightforward series rather than a cinematic universe, the only kink is Skull Island being a prequel.
Did we ever figure out where Noah's village is located, is it LA?
They say its meant to be, but never confirmed in the movie. We see something that is heavily implied to be LAX, but the movie even cuts scenes after they make contact and ask were they are.
I liked the part where Freya was riding the horse
Why can't the vault humans accept that their time is over and now is the age of apes?
>army of talking chimps just found out humans used to do all kinds of nightmarish experiments on them for hundreds of years
>same apes are trying to reverse engineer guns for some reason
wonder why
Thank goodness they didn't fall for the shared universe crap or we'd have a mole men spinoff or something.
Lots of species traitors ITT.
Caesar and Koba's group was species-racist. Caesar was a moron who couldn't predict Koba's chimpout resulting in mass human death while Proximus likes to hang out with humans and treats them well
somehow is comfy to see these keep coming out
something about them just being the same monkeys having adventures. not much else to say, probably going to watch it on my local kinoplex this week
the series has always been kino, including the ones from the 70s
personally I think there's only two that I think are bad (2001 and Battle) while the rest vary on being good or better
I like how good the world building is and pretty hyped to hear they want to do 9 movies now in this world and they just released movie 4
The only good one is rise
>be humans
>don’t secretly forment chimpanzee-bonobo-gorilla-ourangutan infighting
That’s like subversion 101
But seriously, I wonder if the movies will start to touch on how a caste system seems to have set into place overtime in ape society, with some species really getting shafted. Chimpanzees as the ruling elite, gorillas as the meathead enforcers, ourangutans as the scientists permitted to chill…
Realistically the Bonobos would be interbred with the more abundant chimps and disappear and the gorillas and orangutans would get wiped out
Would you consider this film bird ki o as well? That ending bit and theyre whole connection to Noa and his clan was nice, hope we see more of them
Why would birds respect apes? At least humans have a noble appearance and most animals in nature seem to cow at our sublime, hairless physiques. It’s no surprises that eagles have a natural propensity for submitting to humans. But apes would probably only evoke disgust and mockery from them, with their clumsy gait and small genitalia always on display.
Where you alseep for the first 30 minutes? They literally train them from birth and form bonds
my pet wieneratiel will literally regurgitate food on my arm so I can eat it, it's how she shows me affection. I can't see her doing that for a dirty ape.
they were clearly cheap clones of the ikran clan from avatar
Kino
How many apes are there exactly?
There has never been an abundance of the other great apes on the planet but this movie's set 300 years afterwards. Have they spread across the planet?
Only ~2000 chimps in the entirety of the United States today. Over a hundred thousand in Africa
I haven't watched the movie yet, I've been a bit tied up with work. I know the plot but I mainly just want to know if they've spread across the planet after 300 years.
The lore seems to be that every ape in every zoo got uplifted if they came into contact with infected humans, since that’s what happened to the Bad Ape character in War. So there’s probably communities in every sizeable former human settlement that was once host to a zoo.
>only ~50 million chimps in the US today. Over a billion in Africa.
ftfy
depends on how much the apes breed or decide to travel the country instead of staying where they grew up. who knows what europe, africa or asia is like or how their apes are, like I'm sure they're smart and talking but who knows what they're getting up to
I KNOW HE SURVIVED AND DIDN'T DROWN
Fricking flangelet.
Teenage male Orangutans are known to rape female orangutans and humans. Female orangutans are only attracted to mature dominant males with the big flaps of cheek flesh, so the teenage males are left sexually frustrated. Reports of orangutans raping human women span the medieval era in Southeast Asia all the way to the 1990s.
What are the chances the body he was burning when we find him was Maurice?
Zero, because this is hundreds of years after the last one when Maurice was already an old man.
>first time humans ever were competent and had an actual victory in the franchise
>is when they fully embrace a villain arc and go Enclave
Whole time during the movie when anyone called the bunker a 'vault' all i could imagine was powersuited BoS coming down and raining fire on the apes
The movies are bad so they space them out
I'm the only one who thinks this is the best Apes movie since the original one? It got everything, a really charismatic and fun villain that is both evil while having a point without b***hing as a victim like the average Marvel villain, it got several competent factions each trying it's own thing, it got a lot of worldbuilding to explore and great designs.
I love the remake trilogy but this one really got all the elements that made Matt movies great and added even more cool stuff.
No, I agree with you. I think its fantastic how these movies just keeps getting better. Its a real treat.
I loved all the environments they went through as well, really fantastic footage. When we finally arrive in Proximus' city and we figure out why his apes adorn themselves with rust... Man.
I thought it was a little too slow at the start up to the village getting attacked but I loved everything else about it and I can't wait to see how this next trilogy plays out
Very bittersweet story thats easily rewatchable, seeing Noa going on his journey to save his family (and birds) while learning more about the world, about how his kind came to be. We're obviously going to have another story with him as we still have the elders secrets he brought up like twice
The first one was a completely fresh take and different than anything else. Dawn and War just felt like pro ape propaganda movies, as if they're movie made by the apes after winning a war.
This is the only movie that is entirely morally grey and has characters that have some kind of nuance. It was just a little too boring at times and didn't do much new.
I feel like Dawn was pretty grey in the sense that the humans weren't evil and were fine with the apes so long as they both got to keep to themselves and could get the generator working. Malcolm's group in particular helped ease the tension between the two until Koba fricked everything up.
man the scenic shots of coastal california is something else, it was like watching LOTR again
The characters were severally lacking in this one compared to the previous movies. I couldn't find myself to care for anyone of them. They were all underutilized. Especially Proximus.
Why are the Gorillas the military elite? Of all the great apes they really just wanna be left alone the most.
Because they are strong and nearly invincible with a heavy armor to anything but heavy artillery and the chimp elite want to avoid dying in wars as much as possible.
also Gorillas will never by able to replace chimps as the politicians because chimps are extremely good at politics and warfare even in real life without the virus while Gorillas are mostly focused on their families.
IRL chimpanzees usually clap gorillas in battle because they outnumber them, and take advantage of the fact that gorillas are bad climbers and pretty slow moving.
Gag her
Yeah but those are sapient, organized gorilla squads with armor, wips and other long range weapons.
I never thought about it in the original movies because everybody was a human wearing a fursuit but those movies really show how horrifying would be to fight the Gorilla army from planet of the apes, this movie do a good job showing how they also use their massive size to terrorize humans into fleeing rather than fighting, they hide and jump on you so you only have one minute at best to take down this angry gorilla covered in armor, even with a pistol you are still fricked.
Larger body mass = more weight to throw around and stack bodies
“Die for Caesar, goy-rilla!”
The redpill is that Mae was the BBEG of the movie and Proximus was a disc-one final boss. She fully intends to kill all apes.
Who is watching these?
Me
>they’ll fund movies about early ape civilizations and the start of ape kingdoms as they grow in numbers
>they won’t fund movies about early Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites
I just think it’d be interesting man.
Am I moronic for thinking they were going to do a twist where Proximus wasn't trying to emulate Caesar the ape, but Julius?
That would make no sense. Julius Caesar’s name is clearly pronounced with a hard K, not the soft C of monkey Caesar.
Most people mistakenly say it with the soft C today. It’s not too far-fetched to think hundreds of years later that the true pronunciation would be lost due to the apocalypse and apes would go to the most relevant Caesar of their era as reference to its pronunciation
This movie was elevated to one of the best in the series due to the moral ambiguity of Mae and Proximus. Neither was fully in the right and neither was fully wrong.
It puts it as the best along with Rise due to this simple fact. Koba and the general were both cartoon villains
Also helps that Noa wasnt outright this golden soul that wanted to help the echos, but had to learn that maybe we dont have treat these other living things like shit but then learn subsequently from Prox and Mae that apekind is the future and humans cant be fully trusted
>Watch ape kino
>Realise this is Australia
>Realise the village area is literally a doof (illegal psytrance rave location)
>Realise all the humans at the waterhole are just wooks coming down after a night of candyflipping.
wait what the frick isnt this shit supposed to take place near san fransisco?
Local man on board dedicated to film and TV discovers movies are filmed on sets.
I do wish that they keep the Apes' level of technology relatively low. In the original movie they have simple rifles, cameras, but that's about it. The orangutans knew that the humans destroyed the world through their technology, so research into stuff like atoms and viruses would be banned. It also gives the apes a distinct culture from the humans.
I think in the original novel the apes had more advanced tech like cars and spaceships, but that was only supposed to be a single self-contained story.
Proximus seemed kind of moronic. Literally just wanted to larp as some roman emperor lmao.
>Trailers and posters made it seem like the main ape is a master bird tamer
>he doesn't even tame it until halfway into the movie and it's a character moment
>When he finally used it in the ending it's a LOTR tier Eagles scene
This movie did so many bait and switch with us and I can't even get mad because it's handled well
That ending victory was kino as frick, all of them calling together like that
Exactly. Apes together, strong. He just doesn't get it bro.
Is Maurice's line dead now?
I stayed all the way to the end and there's some orangutan sounds after the credits. It's not worth staying for, but maybe it's a hint that Raka is still alive. He wasn't shown to be explicitly dead, so it's fine.
You guys think Wes can pull of Zelda? Serkis should be Ganon.
Anyways, about on par with the first. Maybe weaker. The first hour is a bore but everything after is pretty entertaining. The lead characters are not nearly as interesting as the og crew. I wanted to see more of Proximus's worldview, why he viewed Caesar the way he did. Him and his human lackey were awesome.
War had the best score out of all the new films.
>The human girl wept when she saw how far her race had fallen.
>At the end she reiterates that the Earth belongs to humans and that they will never give up.
>The message of the movie is that you can't trust others outside of your own race, and that being weak isn't an option.
I have never seen a more based movie come out of Hollywood in years, holy shit
Goes both ways
>nao is wary of the humans, becomes curious and warms up to them thanks to raka
>finds mae and learns that they are actually smart and useful
>get to camp and see maes cunning and betrayal
>gets red pilled and realizes no humans can be trusted, at best just work together for small periods of time
>mae also was about to waste him of she went south
>"Caesar tells us to be compassionate to humans."
>"Caesar never had to share camp with one." *wrinkles nose *
Reminder that she canonically STINKS
>you will never make disgusting raw rough love to her in a mud pit, getting addicted to each others scent and pheromones
Why even live
Another Stinky Waifu to add to the pile
There's some shockingly positive messaging about fathers and sons, and the importance of family as a whole, in these movies. Genuinely surprised.