>has better directors than Marvel
>has better actors than Marvel
>has better super heroes than Marvel
And despite all that, the DCEU still failed. Why did this happen?
>has better directors than Marvel. >has better actors than Marvel. >has better super heroes than Marvel
geoff johns, walter hamada, peter safran and james gunn
What did each of these homosexuals contribute to this disaster? I want to be able to accurately curse them for their individual actions.
>What did each of these homosexuals contribute to this disaster?
Warner Bros because they're the ones who actually call the shots and do the funding.
And Zack Snyder. Sorry, cultists. Normies hate his movies.
they gave up on snyder and in turn gave up on being relevant
Snyder is an overrated hack by you homosexuals and Batman vs Superman will never not suck, no matter how much you jerkoff about themes and symbolism, can't put asses in seats, zero cultural impact and legacy
BUT
The entire DCEU clearly has no cohesive vision and long term plan
Superhero movies are all kinda dumb to me but I will give Feige credit for coordinating a bunch of films into a big payoff at the end, now it's a mess though and everyone's fatigued of capeshit
>Snyder is an overrated hack by you homosexuals and Batman vs Superman will never not suck, no matter how much you jerkoff about themes and symbolism, can't put asses in seats, zero cultural impact and legacy
what fricking schizo made that image
You are forgetting Geoff Johns' changes to the Snyderverse. He was behind the change in tone for Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Justice League and Aquaman. His influence extended to the original stories for Shazam and The Flash.
Johns was shitting up Smallville as well back in the day. Look at this! It's power rangers. Why would anyone want this?
Smallville had shit effects budgets, so that wasn't bad. Honestly, I had given up on that show but I tuned in for the Blue Bettle and JSA eps.
I think the Helm of Fate was pretty good. I dislike the Black Adam film design. Too messy.
No Billy?
Do you hate facts? If so go leave
It's not facts since Snyder only made 4 DC movies and they all underperformed.
Wonder Woman and especially Aquaman, which was made under Walter Hamada, are not Snyder's films.
Hamada had nothing to do with these movies.
An Indian.
Cope
says the guy with the shitcanned director
calm your breasts boy BvS has more thematic depth than any capshit of the last decade, so go enjoy your regular slop that is the batman
weak bait, do better
I saw BvS for free at an early screening and still felt ripped off. Snyder is an illiterate idiot that can't even understand cartoon characters made to sell toys to children. His films are flasely deep with a thin veneer of Biblical and mythological allusions that fall flat.
>Much cartoon is better
Why are you on /tv then, go back to /co you manchild
>he says, posting in a capeshit thread
Honestly, the Saturday morning cartoons with these characters had more depth and nuance than his blockbuter mess of films. They understood the characters better and weaved a more complex well crafted narrative.
Reminder Bruce Timm is a fan of the Snyder's movies.
Defending one scene doesn't mean he is a fan of the films as a whole.
He defended BvS too and complimented Snyder saying he'd love to work on a project with him.
>saying he'd love to work on a project with him.
Oh. So he was buttering up the guy in charge of DC films trying to get his rightful crack at doing a theatrical DC film.
Can't blame him. Snyder was the butthole the idiots at Warner put in charge of DC films.
If the suits at Warners had any brains, they would have put Timm (and others) from TAS in charge of the live action films. Been saying it for decades, since I was in high school in the 90s.
I'd even put up with his shitty Bruce x Babs shipping.
Excuses and excuses.
Well. I guess I stand corrected
I wish to frick Warners had given Affleck the reigns to DC films. They didn't want to wait for him to finish Argo, which went on to win best picture. Then they handed it to George Miller. That never solidified and then they handed it to Snyder in the wake of that Watchmen flick.
>i'm right because i say so
BHAHAHA ok this is funny
>they handed it to Snyder in the wake of that Watchmen flick.
Snyder would not have gotten the job had it not been for Christopher Nolan going to bat for him after watching Watchman.
Try 300.
He said that when Zack Snyder wasn't working anymore for WB.
coping this hard ?
>If the suits at Warners had any brains, they would have put Timm (and others) from TAS in charge of the live action films.
That's exactly what Affleck was trying to do.
They gave him the Arkham video games, and those got progressively worse as they went along.
Actually that was Paul Dini, and it still got bad. Timm got the animated movies and they were terrible.
That was Dini not Timm and Dini o ly did the first two. The dumpster fire of Arkham Knight was all Rocksteady writers.
The only people who say this haven't watched the show in years. Superman eats shit, Batman is wanked to hell and everyone else has jackshit to do.
Not to mention that Superman was angry as frick all the time in the cartoon and kept being a violent frick to the point where he is lectured by fricking Batman in one episode.
You know what? I admit I'm biased being more of a Batman fan. In hindsight, I can see how Supes fans would be upset with -some- of his depictions in the show. Timm and others on it have openly admitted to being similar biased toward Batman and not as enthused with Superman. I don't think they did as good a job with Superman as they did with Batman, but I still argue it was and remains the best Superman media since Reeves.
Of course they had some real stinkers too. The cheapo Brainiac Attacks dtv film was complete garbage. Plus the first Superman Doomsday film, that Timm talks about was pretty garbage. The later Death And Return Of Superman done by other directors did a way way better job.
>You know what? I admit I'm biased being more of a Batman fan. In hindsight, I can see how Supes fans would be upset with -some- of his depictions in the show. Timm and others on it have openly admitted to being similar biased toward Batman and not as enthused with Superman.
It's not just that, but Timm's made some dogshit decisions in the past regarding characters.
>Excerpts from the Justice League Panel at the 2001 San Diego Comic Con:
>Bruce Timm: He’s the most controversial character so far from what we’ve been gathering on the Internet. When the show’s lineup was first announced, there were a lot of people saying, “Why aren’t they using Hal Jordan? No, it’s got to be Guy Gardner. No, it’s got to be Kyle Rayner.” Obviously, we picked the wrong one, but the reason we did choose John Stewart are various—I think they’re all valid. Right off the bat, I’ll just say it: you know we did need ethnic diversity in the Justice League. We felt that the show is going to be seen worldwide and I think having a member of the Justice League who is not just “Mr. White Bread” is a good thing
John Stewart is the only one of those who's mildly interesting and fitting the role of a space cop by virtue of, you know, being a fricking cop. The problem isn't market research or forced diversity or Hal Jordan being super kewls, it's that the entire premise for the character is fricking dogshit.
>So he can, like, do anything with his ring and uh... but as long as it's not yellow, lol.
Fricking amazeballs.
>John Stewart is the only one of those who's mildly interesting and fitting the role of a space cop by virtue of, you know, being a fricking cop.
Bruce Timm admits that the reason why thy John Stewart was picked is because he's black my dude. On top of that, he was one of the least memorable characters in the show because he was a authoritarian in a squad with fricking Batman and Wonder Woman. Literally the peak of character was getting dabbed on by Flash and cucking Hawkman. He's a dogshit choice for JL's Green Lantern. Kyle, Guy or Hal would have been a better choice.
Kyle would have been nice for team up eps with Wally. Though having both John and Kyle as regulars would be nice, one more veteran and one in training. A Guy cameo wouldn't be bad for fun.
>Bruce Timm admits that the reason why thy John Stewart was picked is because he's black my dude.
It doesn't matter, that's his opinion. Hal Jordan is about as interesting as a wet sock, so is Kyle Rayner. You can only take the Guy Gardner is an unrepentant moron joke so far. John Stewart at least has some grit to him.
>John Stewart at least has some grit to him.
What fricking grit? Whatever grit he has is going to be outdone by Batman.
Well, he's green lantern, he's not Batman.
He's just not a good character. Pic is his one chance at a solo movie and its a bomb because it steals Hal's allies and antagonists.
My point is that none of them are, especially not Hal Jordan. Sorry I don't enable your /misc/troon nonsense I'm here to talk about this stupid comic book shit not your manboob complex.
>My point is that none of them are, especially not Hal Jordan.
Nah, Hal is a great and practically the only reason to even read the comics in the first place.
>Sorry I don't enable your /misc/troon nonsense I'm here to talk about this stupid comic book shit not your manboob complex.
I know I'm not a /misc/gay because I'd let the superior black GL use my face as a seat.
>I know I'm not a /misc/gay because I'd let the superior black GL use my face as a seat.
That movie was teash. Both John qnd Hal deserved better.
>Thats his opinion
>he'res why my opinion is better
hal jordan has always been rated by fans to be the best green lantern by far. its not even a contest. and its why he's remained the gay bearer of the series
I like Hal, but John is great in the justice league show, one of my favorite characters as an adult.
The batman was ass compared to bvs
> thematic depth
references aren't depth kiddo
im convinced the endless zach snyder praise started as an ironic joke the stupid people took as literal, genuinely convinced
Snyderjeets are a pathetic lot
They aren’t fans of DC, they are fans of Snyder’s DC
They aren’t fans of Snyder’s other movies, only his DC movies
Imagine having a cult devoted solely to a couple of films that you did years ago and is longer involved with
This will be his legacy
Fricking based. I like Snyder as a person, and I liked ZSJL, but fricking hell if his diehard fans aren't some of the most moronic people you will ever meet. Those are the type of people who have never read any good comic books or watched any good fricking movies. Anyone who dislikes Gunn clearly has not seen the Guardians trilogy, literally Marvel's best trilogy and it's not even fricking close.
troony post, have a nice day ASAP
>clearly has not seen the Guardians trilogy, literally Marvel's best trilogy
meant to say worst trilogy* I apologize
>Snyder is an overrated hack by you homosexuals and Batman vs Superman will never not suck, no matter how much you jerkoff about themes and symbolism, can't put asses in seats, zero cultural impact and legacy
>BUT
>The entire DCEU clearly has no cohesive vision and long term plan
Superhero movies are all kinda dumb to me but I will give Feige credit for coordinating a bunch of films into a big payoff at the end, now it's a mess though and everyone's fatigued of capeshit
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice has supposedly already made $873.6 at the box office.
It is also one of the more rewatchable of the recent DC films.
DC’s issue with the current films had to do with the Justice League issue, and Whedon’s crap film.
Getting rid of Snyder was just stupid.
Screwing with Ayer’s ‘SuicideSquad’ was also probably stupid, but few people have seen the original Ayer cut.
Ayer’s ‘Suicide Squad’ was released the same year as ‘Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice’ and made more than $100million less, so it’s questionable whether the DC decision to screw with the film was correct.
‘Birds of Prey’ only did $200million, but that was in 2020 during the height of Covid, and it was also a “feminist” themed film, which usually doesn’t help at the box office.
‘The Suicide Squad’ also tanked at the box office, severely, and that was directed by Gunn.
Maybe getting rid of Snyder wasn’t a good idea.
As for DC and continuity, if you’ve ever followed their comic book lines, continuity has never seems to be a major concern for the characters.
>but I will give Feige credit for coordinating a bunch of films into a big payoff at the end,
Hahahaha go eat more poo Pajeet
>no
>no
>no
of course they fail, what did you expect
Here is the problem and it's been around for a long time. No one knows The Flash. The reason Spiderman and Little Mermaid have the success they did is because of brand recognition. Notice they didn't call it Miles Morales into the homieverse. You might think that's not important and its true that name recognition alone won't save a movie but it will help it dramatically. If they had done this movie when the TV show Flash was in its first two seasons it might have worked better but there's no cachet there. They also used a weird homosexual as the lead who has only garnered negative press and a bunch of tiktok style short vids of him acting like a fricking idiot.
For a while they were apparently either going with "Justice League: Flashpoint" and "Batman: Flashpoint", but I'm guessing cutting out Cavill and Affleck killed any hopes of a title that makes sense in the current climate.
So this is the new cope? No one knows The Flash? Really?
They don’t. How many Flash movies have there been?
they have studies that show even with Marvel that outside of Spiderman there is a massive drop off of name recognition and people caring, same with DC and Batman, you think the majority of humanity knows and cares about all the shit you do but they don't
My point isn't that Little Mermaid was a hit, it's that whatever success it has is owed to its name recognition. Little girls and their parents know Ariel. They also know that isn't Ariel it's someone else but not before they were sitting in the theater.
>it's that whatever success it has
What success? According to Deadline, it needs $560 million to break even, and it's doesn't seem likely it'll manage to get to that point anymore.
https://deadline.com/2023/05/little-mermaid-box-office-profit-loss-halle-bailey-1235383099/
yeah but finally little black girls are allowed to imagine themselves as mermaids (it's like "how would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast" test, they can't imagine themselves as something unless they see it first) and isn't that worth more than a few hundred million measly dollars?
so you're saying medical services might need to keep an eye out for an uptick of unexplained drownings in urban areas?
DC comics is rapidly dropping out of the cultural memory. Anyone who isn’t Batman or Superman is obscure. If it weren’t for the Gal Gadot movie and the fact that “Wonder Woman” is an idiom in the English language, that character would probably be obscure by now too.
>dude marvel is cool because the character was made in the 60s and not the 30s
They are both ancient at this point , boomer
>DC comics is rapidly dropping out of the cultural memory
Super Friends and Justice League was ages ago. Children are now growing on Teen Titans Go and DC Superhero Girls. If the movies don't reflect what they grew with then it's gonna be irrelevant to them.
It’s true.
The people that actually know iconic comic book heroes from comic books grows older and older and in return young people increasingly have no idea about any of them.
Before the MCU, there were three mega-popular heroes everyone knew: Spider-Man, Batman and Superman (roughly in that order of popularity). Then you had the second tier of characters like the Hulk or Wolverine. The Flash? Tier three at best, never really breaking out of the “comic book nerd” sphere in the way others did. You can’t pop him out in 2023 and expect him to be a draw by default.
No one outside of DC fans know who the Flash is. I wouldn't have known who he was if I didn't watch the JL cartoon as a kid.
people do know the flash. but a guy who runs fast is only ever a fun joke, not a super hero.
that's because they make him lame, super speed is a very cool and amazing power but if you just use it as "running fast in a line" then it becomes lame, take elasticity as an example, making a Mr. fantastic movie would be lame because his power is "lame" but then you have a guy like Monkey D Luffy and then you realize how cool his power can actually be, super speed would be great if they made the Flash more like Killua and less like the american version of the Flash, make his speed be flashy (no pun intended) make him fight using his speed, make him edgy
You got it backwards
Super speed is exciting when it’s just about running fast in a line. The problem is the power level. Running as fast as a racecar = fun, easily understandable, straightforward action scenes.
Making super speed so absurdly fast the only way to convey it is by making everything else slow = stupid, lame, gimmicky, looks ridiculous and only works when paired with a comedic tone (see X-Men)
you sound like a very dumb american producer, speed works the best when it is fast and there is no slow motion, just watch one punch man once, guys are supposed to be faster than the speed of light in that anime and there is never slow motion, they disappear in thin air because of how fast they are and then give a million punches in one second, it is flashy, impactful, and you didn't even watch the video I posted, watch it homosexual, super speed is one of the most used super powers in anime and it is always one of the funniest to watch,but if you slow down the camera everytime you show it it becomes lame, the japanese never do it, they bombard you with high paced action
You’re a fricking midwit.
Notice how both of your examples are anime. Animation plays by different rules than live action. You can go way, way crazier in virtually every aspect because it comes with inherent suspension of disbelief due to not even pretending to be real. What looks cool in 2D might look laughable in 3D if it even works at all.
it is like telling me the west can't do an anime fight because it is "animation" when the style of fighting is based in wuxia films, the only reason westeners can't do it in live action is because you are lazy, lack imagination, and have the big gay
%3D%3D
>he says as he posts a scene heavily featuring smears
yes very easily translated to live action
go away moron
>has never watched Scott Pilgrim or Speed Racer
I am not talking about making everything the same but about copying the movements and choreography methods, the story board of it, it is not about making an anime, is about making a live action movie with good action sequences, the whole thing capeshit movies should focus on is to create good action sequences that look good on the screen, Man of Steel was close but everything was too blurry because it was computer generated instead of having the actual actors on strings fighting each other in the air
well i agree some of the most kino anime moments in history were when a character was on a whole different level in speed
all those moments were about using the speed in some epic way, and not simply running. but american writers and directors generally have little vision or creativity in that way. i guess the flash could be cool, but how anime can you really expect him to be in theaters?
I once told someone about it and they legit thought the flash was a flasher
When I was a kid there were Batman and Superman movies and series, no Flash. He was in the Justice League show but I didn't like that show and moved onto shit like MTV animation. I have no knowledge of Flash other than his name is Barry Allen cause of Catch Me If You Can.
>Little Mermaid
>success
this homie trying to sneak in little mermaid cope into his flash cope
Iron Man was a literal who before Robert Downey Jr. A good script and charismatic actor is enough to make a hit.
the flash is certainly more famous and recognizable than Ironman, Superman, Batman, and the Flash are like the most recognizable superheroes ever along side Spiderman
>Superman, Batman, and the Flash are like the most recognizable superheroes ever along side Spiderman
lmao
And yea, the flash probably was slightly more known than iron man before the mcu, but the iron man movie was marketed as a fun action movie for everyone whereas the flash is absolutely drowning in “comic book movie”-ness
>more famous and recognizable than Ironman, Superman, Batman
>No one knows The Flash
No one knew the guardians of the galaxy either and the trilogy is a success
Guardians came out at a time where Marvel could make anyone an A-tier hero on MCU hype alone. It also helped to be an actually good movie.
Personal fun fact, GotG was the first MCU movie I watched because word of mouth had it as a fun space adventure pretty much disconnected from the other superhero movie.
that's the whole reason why its the best MCU series. its only capeshit because of proximity.
They also were the best part of infinity war
>No one knows The Flash
I suppose this is the same reason that the first Rocky, Predator and Forest Gump movies flopped so badly.
>the first Rocky
Was nearly 50 years ago (wanna compare the times of Birth of A Nation with Best Years of Our Lives?)
It was an indie film at a time when the old Studio Movies were dying and anyone could fill a void with a new idea. It also played with jingoism and racism.
Predator was an Arnie shoot em up. Simple as.
I myself have no idea why Forrest Gump was so popular, the whole movie was a cypher to me. Did it really make Big Box Office in its first weeks, or has it just been memed into classic by T. Hanks weeaboos?
75% of the market for comic book heroes is Batman, Superman, and Spiderman.
Little Mermaid is a flop too anon
Slinky little shill talking up that Mermaid flop.
No the problem is that everyone knows Ezra.
>No the problem is that everyone knows Ezra.
only in murrica
homie everybody knows The Flash at least in the U.S. he's not as big as superman or batman or spiderman but he's the default "fast guy" hero.
he's certainly better known than Iron Man or Thor were before their movies.
And watch as Gunn, Safran and Muschietti suffer absolutely no negative ramifications.
>he says while every dceu movie that distance himself from snyder floped
>herrr derrr it's just snyder drones
>they don't reflect general audience
lmao you gaygs just can't cope anymore
Snyder poisoned the well thoroughly
>divisive
But everyone agrees it's shit.
Dc only ever rode on marvels coat tails and name recognition
Snyder and WB top brass seemingly went out of their way to make a product that wouldn’t appeal to fans or normal film goers.
Now that marvel is dying/dead there is nothing left to prop up DC.
Aquaman was probably only legitimately good dc movie (maybe first Shazam too). It took the marvel formula but made an actually well made film out of it instead of the “2 hour tv episode” that Disney usually puts out.
Probably because James Wan has actual talent AND doesn’t hate audiences. If WB just gave Wan complete control of the franchise than each of these films would be making 700 to a billion dollars.
Also what the frick is up with their run times and budgets ?
That’s a huge problem
>Dc only ever rode on marvels coat tails and name recognition
My parents call the DC films "Marvel movies" lol
The only reason Marvel isn’t obscure is because they’ve been mining their B C and D for slop movies for the past 15 years. Even if no one read the comic they are at least familiar with the characters.
Was trying to reply to this one
>The only reason Marvel isn’t obscure is because they’ve been mining their B C and D for slop movies for the past 15 years. Even if no one read the comic they are at least familiar with the characters.
Most comic book characters are somewhat obscure, especially when the market share for comic books has gone down somewhat.
Remember when “Flash” turned up in ‘ X-Men: Days of Future Past’ ?
Yeah, I know the character was “Quicksilver” but I doubt most people knew the difference.
Aquaman was the right balance of not too Snyder and not too MCU, it could exist in the Snyderverse but it's actually fun to watch. Everything else DCEU post-Snyder has been a tonal disaster
>Why did this happen?
WB hates its fans. People want simple things like JL2 and Constantine 2 with Keanu.
>People want simple things like JL2 and Constantine 2 with Keanu
this, imaging bankrupting your company just because you don't want to give the audience what they wanted
Nobody wants Keanustine except his reddit fanbase.
>WB hates its fans.
Yes
>People want simple things like JL2 and Constantine 2 with Keanu.
Titans should be a thing, TTG is their most popular cartoon, JL was a disaster, both versions but the goal should be the big JL movie, against the Injustice League maybe? Gunn could make a Justice League Dark too > Constantine, Zatana, Swamp Thing, Etrigan, Doctor Fate, but no with Keanu.
>Constantine 2 with Keanu.
The ending scene is the only thing that made the entire movie worth it.
Slow motion middle finger is something that in any other case would have been cringe, but was perfect for this movie.
Disney shills, Jeets, blacks, tiktok-fed normies, Ezra Miller hate-wagoners, Bunkertroons using the israelite card to turn people against Ezra like there isn't based israelites (Weinstein for example). Watched it yesterday and loved it. You can wait to pirate it I don't care I don't like giving money to studios either but at least give it a watch to see how these spider-shart shills are completely wrong and it's actually a very very good film.
The movie wasn't bad, but I feel the ending goes against the entire themes of the narrative.
>Entire story is about Barry learning he shouldn't frick with the past, no matter how minor
>Ending has him frick with the past anyways and killing Affleck Batman
Film was great imo
DC has just always been the loser out of the two despite being the most creative one and always inventing new superheroes first that marvel just rip off and make more money with
They will always lose. And WB is shit so that probably doesn’t help
See, it doesn't matter. DC might have some idea about a stretchy man but Marvel made him a scientist ridden with guilt who is at fault for mutating his family and friends. They might have a fast guy, but Marvel gave theirs a chip on his shoulder for being the son of a mass murderer and having a superiority complex. Every Marvel hero has drawbacks, some tragedy in their past, some element that makes them human and relatable. DC is just thigh-wank with no repercussions, aside from Batman and some lesser used anti-heroes, maybe. The problem with DC is focusing on their supergods with the colorful logos that can never lose instead of their interesting characters like Sandman, John Constantine, Ambush Bug, etc.
What the frick even is a "green lantern?" Is his sidekick the pink sock?
maybe he should run to hawaii and put that teenager back before the tiki gods get more mad
maybe don't have a psychopath for the lead actor?
>mom and aunt so fricking hot the son turns gay in order to stop himself from just straight up raping them
WB execs are fricking morons. Joker and The Batman were great because none of those stupid buttholes were involved in any major decision making for those projects. the Whedon version of Justice League may as well have been credited to those executives seeing as they ran the show.
That video Gunn made explaining that these movies have no point in the new canon probably cost WB a billion dollars.
Lmao what good directors does the DCEU have
Snyder and wan, simple as
Snyder is at Netflix and Wan is leaving after Aquaman 2 because Harmada and WB wouldn’t quit interfering with the movie.
Living in the past
I would have gone to see it if Ezra hadnt pulled those immature stunts.
>has better directors than Marvel
the amazing director zak snoider
Ezra Miller and his black "high school crush" near the end of the movie -- were we supposed to believe that a) there's any chemistry there and b) he's some shy virgin scared of girls?
also why was he wearing obvious lipstick throughout the whole movie... was it part of his contract or something
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Verry good, Ezra did the needful and WB didnt redeem him
1. Most people don’t know who the Flash is.
2. Most of the reviews are terrible or lukewarm.
3. The CGI looks awful.
>the trailers looked boring.
4. No one cares about Michael Keaton Batman
5. The universe is being rebooted anyway. No reason to care about this movie.
6. Most people haven’t forgiven Ezra Miller
7. Even before his controversy, most people didn’t care for Ezra Miller
8. The movie has a bad word of mouth with people making fun of scenes.
9. People are saving their money because we are in a recession
>nobody knew them
>all of the reviews made it look bad
>still makes more money than any trash made after snyder left
LMAO
>Will Smith
>hot Harley Quinn
>FREAKIEST Joker ever
People liked Will Smith back then and people were interested in Leto Joker regardless of what social media said and reviewers said.
Except all it does is add confusion to the library. 2 Suicide Squad movies, multiple Joker actors at the same time, multiple Batman actors at the same time, like 3 Harley Quinn movies with no real plots, continued attempts at creating a universe just to abandon characters a year later.
DCEU is barely an universe, they tried to catch up with marvel when Marvel had already released their first avengers movie, they tried to shove down the justice league after just 2 movies and zero planification and world build up just to catch up with Marvel
warner wasted billions of dollars but more importantly time just because they wanted to be head to head with Marvel instead of starting their own universe the same way marvel did, but they didn't because they wanted to have their own Avengers movie at the same time marvel was having it, now they have an unwatchable shitstorm that nobody likes
There were a whole bunch of issues, none of them fatal. What killed DC was that their flagship movies was desecrated and then tanked because they tried to change what they had instead of perfecting it. Now the universe is an directionless mess because of that.
*Flagship movie
>>has better super heroes than Marvel
only superman, pretty sure spiderman is everyone's favorite hero though
Batman was everyone's favorite superhero when the Nolan movies had just released and he is still the second most popular superhero behind spiderman
I have no idea what this Erza Miller guy did but looking at his face with his obvious jaw implants is so fricking annoying, I just want to punch him all the time.
For me, it's him wearing lipstick in every scene, its obvious even on the camrip and pretty unsettling
>No Cavill
>No Synder
>No buy ticket
Simple as
Gunn gonna save DCEU
Meanwhile, no one can ressuct the MCU
The MCU can be saved easily still. They just need to stop going for grand life changing movies and release a few simple but good quality ones.
>Snyder is a fricking moron who has grandiose ideas of what makes a good story but no clue as to the substance behind those ideas
>Marvel conditions audiences against the fundamental ideas behind Snyder's tone for comicbook movies on top of this
>WB not just rolling with Jenkins and Wan style projects which generally adhere to Snyder's initial tone but not being nearly as up their own asses about it
>Constantly changing course and tanking JL
>People focus way too much on the "not building up characters" thing. An ensemble movie to introduce the league would have been fine. Superman is the one who ends up not feeling like he was built into the right character, and he got three movies
>Ezra disaster
>Constant power struggles
>Gunn announcing the universe is getting gutted when they have multiple movies in the pipeline and just rebooted Batman
unreal mismanagement
Don't forget randomly firing Cavill for not doing a Shazam cameo.
The DC universe is decidedly post-modern and cynical. The feel too heavy when the people want popcorn. Marvel understood this, though they forgetting it.
>The DC universe is decidedly post-modern and cynical.
I wish. Modern DC is just a worse copy of Marvel with the characters saying le quips and forced jokes that kill serious scenes. Not to mention the forced attempts at humor. Like the awful CGI baby scene in The Flash.
>Why did this happen?
It started with people b***hing about non-issues in BvS.
The producers expected the film to reach at least one billion dollars and be regarded as one of the best superhero films ever made.
>>has better directors than Marvel
naw. they all seem like shit.
>>has better actors than Marvel
Meh. Miller seems like a reject from Big Bang Theory. And the best actor, Keatonn s fricking wasted. Though Marvel has wasted good actors too. Sam Jackson should have bee in a Nick Fury 70s sci fi spy movie years ago.
>>has better super heroes than Marvel
YES. Hell, even X-men and Spider-man were tied up at other studios.
Yet still Marvel topped the box office with their c-listers and B-list Avengers.
How the frick do you fimble Justice Leage so fricking badly... TWICE!
The only great one was Aquaman and he was the criminally underrated character. And Shazam was a good kids film and they fumbled the sequwl. Aquaman 2 seems to follow that trend.
Fricking frustrating being a DC fan. And the cokics are in the dumpster too.
Your green texts are all right, they just rush movies for whatever reasons.
They just simply didn't make as good of movies and not enough movies setting up their heroes. Furthermore it wasn't helped that everything looked like cheaper marvel somehow. I did like the first Aquaman movie but that comes after he was introduced in justice league or whatever which makes no sense. They just bungled the whole thing and now the super hero craze is dying because people are tired of it
None of that is true, especially the better super heroes part. DC fricking sucks aside from Batman.
Originally it’s because they let Snyder make writing and casting decisions. After they canned him it just became corporate and soulless
Yeah. I have many reservations about Timm these days even as a fan. Yet I still maintain he and others from TAS would have been a hundred times better than Snyder. Certainly not Timm alone, but a creative team of producers from the Justice League series should have been hired for the live action films like Feige was for the Marvel films.
Sadly some like Cooke and McDuffie have passed in recent years and are no longer with us.
Because none of what you mentioned is true, Marvel has always been superior to DC trash, it's why the MCU was responsible for making capeshit extremely popular and still DC couldn't even take advantage of that, feels good to know that they never managed to be truly as successful as Marvel and now that capeshit is dying there's no more chances
It's karma for trying to be like Marvel and failing, all they had to do was make standalone movies and let Marvel handle the connected universe, but these execs failed to recognize that people were only attached to ONE cinematic universe and had no interest in following another one with shittier characters and shittier actors
>Marvel has always been superior to DC trash
To this date, I can't think of any good comic they had outside of X-Men. Meanwhile DC had Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Watchmen, late 80s Batman, Green Lantern and JLI.
Spider-man is super solid.
If we're talking purely mainstream stuff then DC has the way way better cartoons and the pre-MCU movies. Also the better tv shows IMO but ymmv there.
Really? Even reading Spider-man in the 90s and 00s I remember a ton of trash. And I didn't even make it to that One More Day fiasco.
>Really? Even reading Spider-man in the 90s and 00s I remember a ton of trash
Spider-man is actually the rare pre-80s and 90s comic that is actually stupidly solid. I think it's better at anything 60-80s DC wise though DC gets better in the 80s and 90s imo.
I'd suggest picking up early early spider-man and giving it a try.
He had 4 concurrent monthly books, and that's not counting cross overs and specials. Of course some of it is gonna be trash, especially when you have to keep continuity among them.
>and the pre-MCU movies
Dark Knight and...
At least Marvel had some variety and were doing movies for the X-Men, Spider Man, Fantastic Four, Blade, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Hulk, Daredevil
Marvel had this and was establishing their brand properly, meanwhile DC was doing just movies about Batman and I guess Superman, nothing else, it's something I always appreciated of Marvel, they weren't focusing on one character, they were doing everything they could
>Dark Knight and...
And the classic superman stuff, lmao. I agree that the MCU is better though but I just meant pre-MCU / DCU movies were pretty enjoyable for the most part. I'm not a companygay, I like aspects of both DC and Marvel.
>Dark Knight and...
>v for vendetta
>watchmen
>Constantine
>batman and batman returns
>superman and superman 2
>>>At least Marvel had some variety
lol get real
>>v for vendetta
moron
>dc property isn't dc
moronic Black person monkey
Nobody knew or cared that those movies were DC "property" people only know DC from their actual superheroes like the Justice League, not some shitty off brand comic book published by Vertigo or whatever
Marvel was doing movies about their characters from their actual superhero comic books, something that DC was not doing unless it was Batman or Superman or Catwoman LMFAO
Considering how infamously trash most of those movies were I'm not really sure you're doing yourself favors. Like FF, Ghost Rider and Hulk are all jokes to this day because of their shit movies. Even DD was only redeemed due to the Netflix series
>Muh famous comic characters
stfu moron no one gave a shit bout any of that trash especially spiderman if it wasn't for rami
This intro is ingrained in people's memories, because people watching movies today grew up watching those Marvel movies, literally no kid back then watched the Nolan movies at all
I guess Kickass and fricking MiB also counts as Marvel movies then.
Anon,
WB owned DC properties since 1969. Marvel had a fire sale in the 90's that Universal, Sony, and Fox took huge advantage of. Marvel input for most of that list was pretty low and spelled out in the sale.
israeli kidnapper transbros we lost
If anyone here ever wanted to know when Marvel's comics stopped being good, it was 1991.
http://originalmarveluniverse.blogspot.com/2009/06/omu-end.html
Shame all the stuff that gets made nowadays is Bendis shit.
They were given every early warning that it was going to fail. I genuinely dont understand what the expectation was.
That bringing in Michael Keaton's reanimated corpse was gonna save the farm.
If you guys only knew about the immense damage this movie do to the comic industry as a whole.
Go ahead and tell us, I'm curious actually. I liked it as a kid but I can see how it's cheesiness might have been a turn off when I think of the sort of comics that were coming out at the same time.
The immense loot it drew attracted the attention of Ronald Perelman, notorious banker. He saw the potential for ringing massive amounts of cash off comics, so he bought out Marvel. Its because of him that the gimmicks of 90s comics exploded: holograms, glow in the dark covers, trading cards, characters constantly getting LIMITED SERIES #1. Additionally, a lot of attention was pushed to the speculator market because morons thought their Jim Lee X-Men #1 was going to put their kids through collage, meaning the plots in Marvel comics kept getting worse and worse. Eventually, Marvel went bankrupt, so Ron also sold off character rights to whomever could afford it, that's why its took so long for Spider-Man to crossover with the rest of the MCU. Its also the reason why they got bought out by Disney and the rest is history.
My post is dogshit, but if you really want to learn more about it, look up the Comic Crash of 1993.
That's interesting actually
The sad part is that the comic industry never recovered.
>The sad part is that the comic industry never recovered.
The comic books though then get republished in collected book gorm as “Graphic Novels”, and that seems to be popular enough judging by Barnes & Noble.
Admittedly, Manga may be more popular given shelf space.
The issue with comic books is that I think the average reader prefers when the material is dumped on the market in larger quantities like streaming TV shows sometimes are.
>takes a look at early life
>israeli home
Makes sense.
>original thing is successful so newer things try to copy it but failed, leaving people to blame the original thing
wow, tell me more
Did this movie really fail because of Snyder’s fans boycotting it?
They shouldn't have announced the reboot. And before that, they shouldn't have fricked with the fanbase.
Except for the last, they don't have any of those things.
Instead of patiently building a universe solo film by solo film, seeing what works and what doesn't, they did one moderately well received film and then jumped the gun with a vs. film that didnt work. It's like if Marvel did Captain America first and then civil war without any buildup in between.
Audiences hate Snyder. If a movie is set in the Snyderverse it will bomb by default unless it has some outside factor supporting it. For the Snyderverse, the only 2 movies that didn’t bomb since BvS were Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Wonder Woman only did well because it was the first female led superhero film in quite a while so it got a bunch of feminist support. Aquaman only did well because mermaid shit was really popular in China at the time. The Flash didn’t have any outside factors going in favor of it and even had some stuff going against it like Ezra Miller so it bombed in a catastrophic manner.
>Audiences hate Snyder.
That's such a shit graph lmao. It literally shows that people got less and less excited for each movie including the Synder ones
It shows that interest died the moment WB told the public they were going to distance themselves from Zack Snyder's influence and do movies that were more "positive" and "comedic" exactly the same as the MCU were doing.
Interest died after Bvs/suicide squad16
Notice how the opening weekend gradually becomes smaller for every movie released after bvs
Aquaman is the only one of these that actually got to a billion and look how much smaller it’s opening is
It that why WW and AM were a success? Is that why Joker, that WB didn't want to make because it was too grounded and dark, was a success?
Joker made money because Joker is the most famous fictional villain character ever written. It also got a lot of free publicity from news outlets running fake stories like WILL JOKER CAUSE AN INCEL TO SHOT UP A THEATER BECAUSE THIS FILM IS SO DANGEROUS?!?! which drove up a lot of public interest. I doubt the sequel will make nearly as much.
Also the Joker has nothing to do with Snyders moronation.
>Le character study slow burn drama has anything to do with capeshit
joker is taxi driver with licenses
And Zack Snyder is just prententious Michael Bay
>And Zack Snyder is just prententious Michael Bay
lol actual moron
It’s true, hell they even went to the same film school together.
look bro I'm not trolling I used to think exactly that I hated bvs for a while thinking is was some wanna be deep film that failed to understand batman, then I looked at it from a different perspective and everything changed now I think Bvs is the best batman ark we've ever had in cinema yeah the martha scene was flawed but the idea behind it is strong
> martha scene was flawed but the idea behind it is strong
ok I'll explain
>batman in Bvs is the antagonist a guy who lost his way "Men fall from the sky, the gods hurl thunderbolts, innocents die. That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel."
>in a way BVS is a redemption ark for batman when he say to Alfred "this is the only thing I do that matters" meaning he lost faith/hope in making Gotham a better place the reason he started being batman is the first place and is ready to die to kill superman that he demonized from seeing what happened in metropolice
>the whole movie is about how people project their idea of the world to god "superman" if my life is cruel then god must be cruel exactly how lex says to superman "The problem of you on top of everything else. You above all. Ah. 'Cause that's what God is. Horus. Apollo. Jehovah. Kal-El. Clark Joseph Kent. See, what we call God depends upon our tribe, Clark Jo, because God is tribal. God take sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations."
>the martha scene was a bruce being remembered why he is batman in the first place it's so that no kid have to go through what he when through a kid being robed of his parents while now he's robing a kid off his parent in a way he saw that he became the thing that took away his mother and father
and that's just part of it
>robed
I love how you channeled your inner pajeet while writing this.
I think the best thing to work with for the Martha connection is to have a scene where Clark introduces Bruce to his mom as civilians. Anything else is likely to be stupid or pretentious.
> the martha scene was flawed but the idea behind it is strong
You know the scene would’ve been better if Snyder could’ve executed it properly and Batman had a no kill policy in the film. Making Batman kill kinda ruined the tone of the scene.
>and Batman had a no kill policy in the film
Filtered.
>and Batman had a no kill policy in the film
the point of the movie is that batman broke his no kill rule he's a man who lost his way being redeemed by his "enemy" superman
if batman was the hero we know then they'll be no reason to make a batman v superman movie in the first place
A Batman who does not believe in the sacredness of human life is not Bruce Wayne’s Batman. Maybe Flashpoint Batman or Jason Todd but not Bruce Wayne’s Batman. Hell, TDKR’s Batman, which Batfleck was based on, still valued human life, he didn’t even want to kill the Joker.
>A Batman who does not believe in the sacredness of human life is not Bruce Wayne’s Batman.
oh my god do you even read, I said bvs batman broke BROKE his no kill rule he already had it you can pic on it when alfred shows him the news paper and says "new rules" meaning batman branding and killing isn't something he was doing before superman and robins death
Frank Miller's Batman killed before and after TDKR. All-Star Batman and Robin and Batman Strikes Again exists.
>All-Star Batman and Robin and Batman Strikes Again exists.
Nobody likes those stories tho.
Doesn't matter. Frank Miller wrote them, DC published, and they're all prequels and sequels to the Dark Knight Returns.
Funny how "canon" only matters when you want it.
>Funny how "canon" only matters when you want it.
Eh, Miller is ruining one of his bet stories so that's on him.
All star batman flopped
Frank Miller’s last good Batman story was Year One
Those are elseworlds, tho. They were never canon to the main universe.
>Batman killing doesn't make fricking sense because if he is willing to kill, then why the frick is the Joker still alive?
idk joker isn't in BVS so I don't care
They were a success despite the DCEU, not because of it
They had lower opening weekends but were received well by audiences, giving them great legs
And they had great legs because they were nothing like bvs, which fell apart after his OW due to horrible word of mouth
>And they had great legs because they were nothing like bvs
Sure, tell yourself that. It's not like WW kept referencing BvS at every turn.
There really should have been a Shazam/Black Adam film, maybe after the first films with both characters were made.
Black Adam had a serious dark tone.
Shazam had a light goofball tone.
The contrast in a film would have been perfect.
Why do Snydergays defend this scene?
I don't that scene was ass but snyders capekino is still better than anything made in the last 8 years
>snyders capekino is still better than anything made in the last 8 years
It is.
coping are we?
Joker made a more cultural impact than anything Snyder released.
>mu cultural impact
still rarely talked about in any regards other than a scorsese wanna be film
>still rarely talked about in any regards other than a scorsese wanna be film
Does anyone have that gif of that same scene but with Chris Evans laughing in it?
Audiences went for Batman and Superman on name alone, not Snyder.
Wonder Woman and Aquaman were the worst thing to happen to the DCEU
If they both flopped, WB would have rebooted much sooner, but these 2 successes made them try to save it
And now we got to this point
>Why did this happen
No charisma in the Snyder cast. Had to bring outsiders like Keaton. Cavill the worst of all.
Ignoring TV's Flash was a mistake. He is actually fairly popular with normies and they were already expecting him to at least make a cameo due to Ezra showing up in the TV show.
Think of it this way, anon. If I fricked your autistic wife, I sure as hell wouldn't want you to frick mine in return. The former was satisfying for me, because I gained something out of it. I have nothing to gain from letting an autistic man frick my beautiful wife.
>Joker 2019 is not allowed in China because the government fear it kickstart another 1989
The MCU would never.
>would never
getting banned in china? That's not an hard feat, they did it multiple times already.
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>ywn get a good Hellblazer movie
We got a good Hellblazer show
I liked it a lot, shame it won't get a proper ending.
It was a weird choice to adapt the script from Moore's Swamp Thing though. I wonder if Swamp Thing was planned to show up eventually.
>Why did this happen?
Snyder kneecapped the universe at the start. And WB hiring him was a mistake.
Snyder’s DC films, had he still Ben in charge, probably would’ve ended up like the Michael Bay Transformer films
I would have been ok with this if Snyder and WB didn't try and make it into a cinematic universe and try and play it off as the main thing. Snyders films feel like Elseworlds.
>Snyders films feel like Elseworlds.
Everything is an Elseworlds, you moron.
Comics and movies are separate you moron.
>Comics
you mean crap that nobody cares about
Only reason why capeshit films can happen. People care enough.
>Only reason why capeshit films can happen. People care enough.
obviously not enough to make them money from general audience, comic gaygs are just a small minority of what makes money in theaters, it's movies that made characters like batman and superman so popular and money making machines
>it's movies that made characters like batman and superman so popular
They need to use capeshit stuff to get popular. Making shit up always fails.
Why the frick does everything need a goddamn cinematic universe?
DC and WB wanted one without doing any of the work.
>Snyders films feel like Elseworlds.
he thinks canon matters
They do. Otherwise, everyone would have loved Snyders films. That's why I said Snyder films should have been clearly labelled as Elseworlds (aka spinoffs). Then, no one would've gone in expecting to see the main Superman character being adapted.
can we all agree that the only good capeshit movie Snyder made was the watchmen and that Man of Steel was good but had no substance, lots of really good ideas with bad executions and a lot of straight up shit ideas dragging the movie down like his father asking him to not save him and let him die when superman could literally do it and nobody would ever find out or care, Snyder feels like a hack in a lot of ways
>can we all agree that
No.
>can we all agree that the only good capeshit movie Snyder made was the watchmen and that Man of Steel
no frick off bvs and JL and 300 are kino
300 is Snyder’s only good film
Gee I don’t know, the psychotic queer and alleged groomer being in the protagonist of the film?
Because it's a vanity project for the execs than for the people. It's filled with shit THEY want to see than the viewers.
e-girlng if Gunn's superman has an ever worse drop than this. Superman is their golden goose. If they frick it up, they'll have to wait a long time before trying another cinematic universe.
>in another world, Green Lantern could have been DC's answer to Star Wars
Had they not made a dogshit movie with a pretty good cast.
>>has better directors than Marvel
blatantly untrue
>>has better actors than Marvel
ezra miller is dumpster tier
>>has better super heroes than Marvel
absolutely untrue, what DC has is batman, and batman, also batman with his sidekick batman and the only hero people care about : batman. That's what DC has.
>ezra miller is dumpster tier
Why the frick do morons defend his psychotic ass?
Idiot contrarians if you ask me.
I liked his movie "we need to talk about Keven" it felt like a fever dream when you realize he was playing himself in that movie
It's simple really. Disney inflates their box office numbers artificially through free tickets and such. WB is too stupid to play that game. In reality they're both doing horribly.
Ezra Miller
a
people just love quips too much
Ezra Miller is an insane pedophile, did you really expect people to watch him star as a super hero?
Too many cooks in the kitchen. Executive cooks. Constantly shifting direction. Zack Snyder.
DCEU doesn’t deserve success, Marvel deserves failure.
>has better directors than Marvel
>has better actors than Marvel
>has better super heroes than Marvel
>And despite all that, the DCEU still failed. Why did this happen?
It had none of those things though.
lol
lmao even
>MCU movie released post Endgame in 2023
This is your counter argument? Fricking moron
They ditched thise directors, actors, and heroes when they fired Snyder and his crew.
>Why did this happen?
It was rushed, they didn't give each character time to be fleshed out before the Justice League movie, Zack Snyder is a fricking hack, the casting was garbage and the cgi is the absolute fricking worst of all capeshit
I saw this tonight. Liberally more enjoyable than anything Marvel has made in the last 5 years.Idk why it's tanking, is it just super hero fatigue? Ezra Miller being a psycho?
Multitude of factors just not very exciting to people I guess I thought Keaton would be bigger draw
Because all the thing you listed are delusions.
>has better directors than Marvel
>keep spamming Marvel's sloppy seconds as a "visionary director" (that flopped the moment he made a movie without Faige telling him what to do)
Dance off, you and me.
I’m not spending money to watch Ezra Miller making stupid faces
>Why did this happen?
The world is healing, capeshit is finally dying.
Normie Marvelgays don't care if DC have better characters (they do.) They only care about who the actor is. They don't like Iron Man, they like Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man