Has DC recovered from this era yet or is still suffering
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Has DC recovered from this era yet or is still suffering
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The low point keeps getting lower.
This. Some fricking how, someone decided it would be a fantastic idea to put Tom King on Wonder Woman, and redo fricking Amazons Attack!
The fixed Wally at least
Yes, I was so happy with inter-dimensional Mobius Chair Wally.
DC has either stayed the same or become even worse
After a certain point it becomes hard to measure shittiness (meter gets overloaded)
In any case no improvements to anything are observed
Most of the characters killed here have been resurrected.
Instead of being drunk and crazy the Titans are the premiere team in the current DCU.
It's more of a 1 step forward 2 steps back situation at the moment
the gotham books are terrible, alan scott, power girl, supergirl, fire & ice are terrible, but superman and shazam are good 🙂
i see stuff here and there but it made me to stop reading things completely from them, as long as tom king has employment there i won't buy a single issue.
I'm really enjoying his Penguin series right now.
i used to be a huge dcgay and pretty much stopped reading anything to do with the company around this time. reading these replys its good to know dc hasn't got any better since then. the only time i think about dc these days is when i get baited by outrage anti-sjw grifter youtubers and see what silly shit dc is doing at the moment
The event is entirely ignored and forgotten. At this point it has no impact and no one will ever bring it up. And King is now doing non canon Black Label maxis.
he's shitting up wonder woman
Meh that will be forgotten when he's off just like his other runs.
>Tom gets put on a major title
>Does irreparable damage to it
>MULTIPLE writers acknowledge it, from Flash Forward to Williamson having Zoom retroactively take credit for Wally's HAPPENING to Death Metal having Wally get a second victory lap after it
>"Meh that will be forgotten"
You are like the poor frickers delusionally optimistic enough to think Alan being turned gay in Earth-2 wouldn't have lasting repercussions, and wasn't DC testing the waters.
Adams also retconned it that Wally didn’t do anything it was Savitar using Wally as a conduit to escape the Speed Force that caused what happened. He then at the end of his run retconned everyone who died was alive again and helping Wally get back home on a spaceship
>congratulations Wally!
Can you tone down the conspiratorial thinking? It's making you think crazy things like DC editorial having long term plans and being competent enough to pull it off.
we aren't recover from new52 yet
I find it really fricking funny that Grail canonically has a better relationship with her dad, than Wonder Woman does with hers (and yes, they ARE still at least tacitly acknowledging the Zeus shit)
Only Wally recovered from it and went to save DC and UN-OMD and UN-BND all off DC Multiverse.
It's kind of amazing how people keep acting like Tom King is a good writer when he's literally unable to write any character without damaging it.
Actually it's a whole new different era of suffering.
Is there anything in DC that's currently good? I miss the universe, but it sounds like I should just reread old stories.
>Is there anything in DC that's currently good?
I heard somebody say Shazam is pretty okay right now. I can't verify because I don't care about Shazam.
None of these are good.
No. Not really. The things that are being paid attention to i.e. Batman are just spiralling downward further and further as everyone involved desperately tries to convince you that somehow getting criminals to organise around stealing from the rich is morally justified. The things that aren't i.e. everything else are either being given below-minimal effort in everything or have the exact worst people working on them.
No seriously, WHOSE bright idea was it to put Tom King on Wonder Woman?
Shazam is "okay" relative to the current writing quality of DC. A few years ago, it would be considered sub-par imo. As things are now well, it's not working on a Johns-level delayed timeline and people have an okay dynamic and there's action. If you enjoy turning your brain off and shitting on Olympians it's. Not aggressively terrible. But it's not very ambitious either. Writers are treating the revelation that the Olympians are dickheads like it's some kind of mindblowing revelation when Wonder Woman was getting the message as early as the New Earth era.
Don't forget how they kept putting Superman and Wonder Woman together even though it consistently brings out the worst in BOTH characters.
Action Comics and Superman
Green Lantern and Green Lantern War Journal
The Penguin
Wesley Dodds miniseries
Jay Garrick miniseries
I haven't been reading Batman/Superman but a lot of people rave about it.
What I've found to be a good idea is to read the pre-New 52 stuff that I never got around to before. Not just the "critically acclaimed" stuff; I mean really digging deep into random issues that no one talks about. I've found that to be far more rewarding than anything.
Steelworks
Jay Garrick Flash
Cyborg
City Boy
Doom Patrol just ended.
Wonder Woman
Batman/Superman Worlds Finest
>Wonder Woman
>Literally attempting Amazons Attack! 2: Immigration Metaphor Boogaloo
>also somehow Mary Marvel is involved but not Billy
I could make fun of some of those other picks, but that one really takes the cake.
>Wonder Woman
>MEN BAD: the comic
>good
Yeah, nah.
It's not even the MEN BAD part, that's a staple of WW comics whether or not it makes sense, it's how lazily written it is in that the entire US military is apparently trying to arrest every single Amazon in existence while ignoring Green Lanterns, Black fricking Adam having joined the Justice League, and for that matter the League itself isn't doing shit about it
How you not been paying attention.
The Sovereignis in cahoots with Waller.
That’s why Peacemaker is going after Nubia, Yara, Mary.
Meanwhile Waller has sabotaged Beast Boy for Beast World event so she can blame superheroes and the Titans there.
It’s not just the government going after Amazons. It’s a war on all fronts.
DC has been noticeably trying to make their universe feel more coherent and interconnected and I appreciate that.
I’d take a thousand Doctor Rape’s over gay Superman Jr, Gay Robin, Pro-crime Batfam, and other woke shit.
Still suffering.
>we still don't know the identity of the green lantern who died.
There's really never been a reason to follow ongoings at Marvel or DC.
It's literally only gotten worse
I always find it amusing to watch DC editorial decide to do the opposite of what their fans want.
They put Batman and Superman through the wringer in the early 90’s to prove that fans still want the classic heroes. It works! Both are brought back to much fanfare.
>DC then reveals Hal Jordan as a genocidal madman in Zero Hour.
Things stay relatively good for a few years, traditional good vs evil stories like Underworld Unleashed and we get to see the rise of a new Green Lantern. DC even gives Hal the proper sendoff he was denied… two years later in Final Night. DC One Million celebrates the past by glorifying the legacies of their heroes in the distant future.
>DC decides things need a shakeup, War Games delights in the torture and murder of a teenage girl while a silver age heroes wife is revealed as a victim of rape. All the other heroes are revealed as scumbags. Then the rape victim is murdered by another heroes wife because she was thirsty for Atom dick.
Infinite Crisis and 52 somewhat heal the fractured fan base.
>If you liked 52, you’ll love Amazons Attack and Countdown! Let’s kill Roy Harper’s little girl! Fun.
Sinestro Corps War is selling well, fans haven’t been thus excited for GL in years! Batman journeys through time and makes his triumphant return! Superman shepards his people while coming to terms with his adoptive fathers passing. Who knew the fans just want their heroes being heroes?!?! Let’s keep this going…
>Flashpoint
New 52 is interesting… tentative but let’s see
>Futures End + Convergence, endless spinning wheels
DC Rebirth brings back Wally and sets single issue records dating back to the 90’s! Fans want their heroes!
>Heroes in Crisis, Death Metal, Dark Crisis…
Frick you DC
Rebirth is the one that hurts me the most, because it was such a clear success. Everyone was hyped for it, the comics were selling, positive buzz online first time in years, literally everybody thought it would save the company... and then DC canceled it just because.
Oh yeah, that was the most tone deaf decision by DC that I can recall. I remember being in my LCBS when the Rebirth Special Edition came out… I’ve never seen such tremendous word of mouth. Every issue sold out, the store ordered more… sold out again. DC announced a second printing… sold out, third printing… sold out.
Parents were coming in looking for the issue. Older lapsed fans wandered in asking about “some Flash” comic they’d been hearing buzz. It was a breathe of fresh air from a company that had been suffocating under years of corporate mismanagement.
…and nobody involved in DC was happy. They couldn’t wait to sabotage their own efforts. The fact that the first major event after that wellspring of hope was Heroes in Crisis says it all. DC looked at a fan base uniting under a banner of hope and said “nah… what if the heroes are all psychologically broken, and we have Wally graphically murder his friends? The kids will love it!”
Now we're in an era where DC came up with 5G and everyone hated every single bit of information which was released about it, but DC keeps working to drip feed that shit in to comics.
DC hates money and coherent storytelling, they want big events and reboots every fricking year so you never know what the frick is going on.
Why are they so obsessed with reboots anyway? Are they fundamentally unable to grasp that you can just...retcon something without an ALL NEW ALL DIFFERENT apocalypse going on? Are they that out of ideas for big events?
They saw massive sales spikes when they rebooted in the past, but they forgot it only works if you actually change something after the reboot. Comics after Dawn of DC and before it are so similar you can't even tell anything got changed at all.
Classic DC, putting the cart so far before the horse that someone working there decided letting Scott fricking Snyder write TWO Crisis events (well, one Crisis and one "Anti-Crisis" event if you believe him) in a row was a good idea.
Big events make more sales so the marketing team says "make more events" and so they do.
Except you can't just make one every year for no reason, even the biggest fanboys will get tired of this crap.
DC editorial always wants to get the last word in and think that they know what people want, ignoring what...people actually want. They seem stuck in that 90s-00s edginess where they keep going into grim and poorly written stories and events thinking that killing off heroes or ruining characters for shock value is going to bring in big numbers.
Wally's recent series by Jeremy Adams was wonderful so obviously yes. They had pretty much retconned all of Heroes in Crisis by the end as well.
This, King Batman (which took too long to properly develop and was killed before it could even try to improve), Bendis, Metal 2, and 5G I think would have fricking annihilated DC. It's genuinely impressive they spent 5 years fixing New 52's poor rep, succeeded with the much enjoyed Rebirth and then shat the bed immediately.
>Metal 2
Don't forget Year of the Villain, although that's kind of folded in as the setup to Metal 2.
>everyone just forgave and forgot Lex Luthor trying to destroy the multiverse so he could become Perfect Cell and get goodboy points from a jobber who needed drinkie-poos in between destroying individual universes
>5G I think would have fricking annihilated DC
5G would've absolutely been the deathblow. Batman is like 80% of DC's comic sales. Imagine telling those people that Bruce Wayne is going to be permanently replaced, not with Dick or Damian or even Jason or Tim, but some made-up Miles Morales. They would have lost most of their customers instantly. Firing Dan was the right move.
That said, I think there was some merit in having multiple "time periods", like you could have the normal one, an old one set immediately after CoIE and maybe a future one with the current teen sidekicks as seasoned veterans. That much could maybe work.
I've said it before, but putting Batman in his own little universe where the most powerful enemy is something like Clayface and just having a multiverse bullshit portal dump him in the League's main one whenever they want to do Batman/Superman shit or whatever so Batgays can have their perpetual mill of Bat-content and everyone else can finally get an explanation for why Two-Face is still a thing feels like it would have made sense.