>Has his entire life's work calmly dismantled in under 2 hours in your path
Kino moments like this?
>Has his entire life's work calmly dismantled in under 2 hours in your path
>Has his entire life's work calmly dismantled in under 2 hours in your path
Kino moments like this?
his fumbling with the 3 different sets of eyeglasses was embarrassing
and also that moment when he didnt know how to search or scroll down his own website
>3 different sets of eyeglasses
why does he have so many?
he's 73. you don't get to be that old without having wisdom enough to look at the world through different lenses.
I have three pairs - driving, reading, PC glasses.
>muh white supremacy
Imagine siding with the cryptoisraelite redditoid. This board has gone to shit.
Even with that little blunder, Dibble still embarrassed Hanwiener. Deal with it tribal homosexual.
>Dibble still embarrassed Hanwiener
I disagree. he embarrassed himself. everyone in the world knows GH and his theories. he basically wanted to grift onto mr handwiener's long time extensive research for internet clout/e-fame. he even encourages his students to do so.
Graham is a nonsense artist and was flabbergasted when an actual scientist started talking. You didn't listen to it I'm guessing. All Graham could do was stir the pot to distract from his lack of knowledge, that's it.
I respect those numbers but I simply can't take a food specialist serious.
>My research focuses on the topic of food in ancient Greece. In fact, I mostly study food trash in the form of animal bones.
I bet a modern day garbage man from jersey would BTFO this kid
With the number of times he mentioned his dad it's clear he's just riding his dad's coattails and has been given everything he has due to nepotism.
He also looked like he was wearing his dad's suit for how terribly it fit him. His fingers were barely poking out of the sleeves.
man, Ulillillia got old
https://faculty-directory.dartmouth.edu/flint-dibble
forgot link
>studies agriculture
>this somehow btfo him
what
he studies garbage.
"food trash"
not personal insults at all. I do not know him nor grayhamed. I did buy weed off a guy that looks like him a few times though.
Dibble unironically came with the vernacular and facts (lol) and showed how blind Hanwiener is and how childish his claims are. You two could make claims right this moment and have as much credibility as Hanwiener has.
>Dibble unironically came with the vernacular and facts (lol) and showed how blind Hanwiener is and how childish his claims are.
why? is it pertinent to his extensive discoveries pertaining to his food trash research?
>is it pertinent to his extensive discoveries pertaining to his food trash research?
Is shined a light on the fact that Graham doesn't even dabble in the puddles of Archaelogy, he takes vacations and dreams up scenarios. He's a quack.
>but he claims he's not an Archaelogist
Yes, he always claims he's not the thing he's doing. He does that for everything to absolve himself of responsibiliy. He's a slimy, narc, snake-oil salesman who's made tons of money off of stupid Rogan fans.
>shined a light on the fact that Graham doesn't even dabble in the puddles of Archaelogy
he ask questions that upset them, for some reason. not buy one single guy, either. (it's been going on for decades btw)
>he takes vacations and dreams up scenarios. He's a quack
sounds based. makes money off it too.
**spelling errors, plz no bully. no coffee yet**
>sounds based. makes money off it too.
I don't think making money makes you based when your foundations are fake and gay. Making money =/= anything unless you subscribe to Logan Paul's ideology I guess.
>I don't think making money makes you based when your foundations are fake and gay
it makes it even more based.
think about it for a little bit. he lols all the way to the bank.
No, he doesn't. He's serious and stupid. kek
the best part is, they both are.
Dibble nervously repeated what his daddy told him.
Hanwiener confidently spoke from experience.
Dibble raised his voice and tried to shout Hanwiener down every time he raised a counterpoint.
Hanwiener calmly delivered his points and counterpoints without losing composure.
Dibble just nervously laughed when asked simple, direct questions and refused to answer them in any straightforward way.
Hanwiener answered every question he was asked even if it meant he had to cede some ground to Dibble.
Which person would YOU trust more?
Hanwiener isn't an archeologist, that's the problem with everything you are saying. You can be the coolest, most charismatic guy on the planet, but if you don't do the work then who gives a shit? Even Cinemaphile schizos like Sabine are published and accredited that have done a lot of work in the past, Hanwiener is the equivalent of an outsider artist who thinks he's some gigabrain genius because he went scuba diving and toured a few tourist traps.
and he isn't allowed to do this?
You're absolutely allowed to do that shit, but you have to come to grips with the fact that you don't know shit and other people do. Hanwiener got BTFO when he mentioned that geologist who said that the formations were man made, and then when he put out his actual paper on the subject said that they weren't. This happened in the very conversation that the thread is about for crying out loud. Hanwiener repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, stepped on rakes for no apparent reason during the debate and I don't understand why. Flint wasn't even that great at debating.
I bet his next book/film(s) will still sell really, really well.
That's great, good for him. What's that have to do with the debate?
exactly.
GH, won.
Sorry, but Dibble did nothing to convince me to trust anything he says while Hanwiener did. That's why Hanwiener won the debate.
>You can be the coolest, most charismatic guy on the planet, but if you don't do the work then who gives a shit
everybody. it isnt what you say, its how you say it?
Aristotle, the big chinned charismatic Greek, told everyone everything was made out of the four elements.
Democritus, or his teacher, a balding uncharismatic nerd, first coined the atom, since he fricking KNEW shit got smaller.
But he couldn’t prove it, and Aristotle was a chad, so Democritus lost.
Aren’t humans awesome?
>YOU HAVE TO EARN MY ATTENTION WITH A CERTIFICATE THAT WE DECIDE HOW TO AND WHY TO GET IT!!
guess you cant post here anymore by that logic. i know for sure you didnt earn your degree in shitpostonomy, homosexual
also wheres your arch. degree, since you added your own two cents?
There is notning wrong with Sabine wtf. Go back to bunkerchan troony.
moron, hanwiener won
The guy who doesn’t think the Egyptians used telekinesis to build the pyramids autist lmao.
>Which person would YOU trust more?
The one who doesn't believe space aliens from mars gave mayans DMT so they could speak to ghosts
Neither believe that?
Anon, I...
graham believes humanity has lost "psychic powers" that were used to build the pyramids. like people humming a certian frequency to float stone bricks
I'd rather trust the more open-minded one.
>Which person would YOU trust more?
The one who brought evidence, not the one who only brought speculation
>he studies garbage
Most archeologists do these days because they figured out you can learn a frickload from garbage since it's everywhere and tells you a lot about the people in the area. It also tends to be undisturbed because who the frick wants to pick through garbage? Shit like finding King Tut's Tomb II is a fairytale that no one believes can/will ever happen, so archeologists focus on nutrition and bone piles now. Coprolites are a big deal because it's one of the only avenues that archeologists have to learn through left to them as a result of looters/war/destruction of locations/not enough money.
>pay millions for an education
>scour ancient sites
>oh. my. god. THEY ATE FOOD.
Unironically though.
>Guy insulting professionals smokes weed.
So the truth shines through. I appreciate your reflective candor.
where does it say?
>bought weed for personal use
>personal insults nonstop
Yeah, I'm thinking Graham lost, hard.
Appearances are important in a debate. I'm not going to listen to the seething autist in an off-the-rack suit 3 sizes too big who keeps whining "but my daddy said...!"
>Appearances are important in a debate
Are you a woman or something?
hey dibble 🙂
hope you decide to kys for reddits sake. dont forget no one knows for sure whats going on, but the negative energy you homosexuals put on things will have consequences no matter if an after life is a thing or not. will you apoligize when you get shown to be a fat moron?
>schizo in the hanwiener cult is very aggressive
kek
Food is the second most important thing in all of human history. Second only to sex.
But you're willing to take a socioeconomic journalist seriously?
>longtime extensive research
>has zero evidence
Doesn't sound that extensive.
Dibble referrenced his father being an archealogist nonstop and kvetched about white supremacy, he's a redditor homosexual and somehow made me side with Graham.
i felt joe wanted to beat his face in with how disingenuous he was being. extreme homosexualry
>and kvetched about white supremacy
>hung up on this while ignoring Hanwiener backing up zero of his points.
>kvetched about white supremacy
Graham brought this up himself and wouldn't let it go. Dibble was never going to mention it, and as Dibble explained, he wasn't calling Graham a white supremacist, but his sources white supremacist. Once again, a case of the /misc/chud cries out in pain as he strikes you.
>as Dibble explained, he wasn't calling Graham a white supremacist, but his sources white supremacist.
Disingenuous homosexual. He was intentionally associating Hanwiener with white supremacy. He claimed the other articles misquoted him but when pressed he said he had no interest in asking them for a correction to clarify it.
>Flint Dibble has control over what third-rate media outlets write about him in their AI generated articles
Absolute schizo tier thinking. Go to bed Graham.
It's perfectly acceptable to request a revision to an article when you've been misquoted or misrepresented. Refusing to do that shows how he really feels about that "misquote."
Yeah a lot of the fake archeologists of the past 70 years are linked to being white supremacist and some are just low effort hucksters
Dibbleposters kys
>if i bring a textbook to a debate with a conspiracy theorist i can point to the book having different ideas than the theorist, that means he is wrong
dumbass conformist redditors, you gonna jump off a bridge when the science community tells you to?
Well that's the thing, he references his own research for a large part of the podcast and importantly explains WHY and HOW the textbook is correct. Something which must have flown over your head
Second post best post
Cinemaphile is just a second Reddit now
Kiddos think they’re fitting in kek
This, sad Cinemaphile sides with "you're theories dont match with muh wikipedia and snopes, ur a huwite supremacist!" side.
im glad there's still other rational israelite enthuasists on this site, and im not the only one. 99% are complete fricking libtarted cucks in here these days kek
Liberal politics are correct, conservatives should all go die and be with their creator
but where do you think the liberals got the resources to be liberal with ? They stole them from generations of conservatives.
the netflix slop brought a new wave of redditBlack folk in here. Soon all the boards will be just another subreddit from the mother site.
spbp
since when does this site take the side of a "ahm-akchually" redditor instead of a based moron
Yes, many of GH's sources hold those beliefs, quite well documented, and without engaging with those parts of his sources or acknowledging that weakness, he's a. Making these people out to be more reliable than they are in reality, and b. Giving credence to a variety of their insane theories. I guess if they're right about atlantis they're right about everything.
Secondly, he references howard vyse, who excavated with dynamite, is completely panned by modern archaeologists. He's just shown to be a grifter who will cherry pick evidence from the most unreliable, unscientific people to prove his moronic point.
It wasn't put well, but there was an argument to be had.
I doubt you'll agree, given your comment about cryptojews, but it's food for thought anon.
It's true he was unfairly maligned, but in terms of the content of his work he was eviscerated by Dibble
Graham hanwiener is an open borders anarchist with a black wife. Not really any better
as long as he keeps "archaeologists" out of the field he is doing gods work.
t. not flint dibble, the food guy
What exactly triggered you again about him? Was he racist or something?
The deep state is getting scared of any influential people making the masses questioning the established status quo on things so they are going after and shutting down absolutely anyone.
You know that scifi dystopia we always saw in movies? Well its being created right now, not as dramatic as movies portrayed it as but the dystopia is here all the same.
It was pretty based how mister long sleeves what able to shit all over his claims, frequently just by showing a different angle on a natural formation that made it look a lot less man made
>Imagine living in 1984 and not having a single fricking clue.
Yeah. We're honestly beyond that point now. I fricking hate it. We're at Lovecraftian levels of censorship at this point.
>my fake researcher who plays pretend was proven wrong
>LOVECRAFTIAN!
>1984!!
>THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
...
They literally called this dude a white supremacist. That's why he got cancelled. Had nothing to do with the validity of his research. Which as far as I know was just that. He never made any actual claims to know the answers to this shit or anything.
>That's why he got cancelled.
Who got canceled? Hanwiener? He has a Netflix special you fricking moron.
>life's work
come on you can come up with the same slop in 1 hour with chatgpt this guy is trolling
Why does he make tenured manlets piss and shit their wounds so much
he couldnt even look graham in the eyes
There's only one way to settle out the bad blood and thats a fight at the top of Goblekli Tepe stage fight.
now we are talking sense
we need somebody older than flint though
Imagine being humiliated by a guy that looks like that
M'lord
>tips trillby
>Trilby
Wow, that's the first time in all these years I've seen someone call it by it's real name, and not a fedora.
what else does he have up his sleeves?
probably a lot
his way of speaking and holding himself reminds me of this guy
It's like he has no neck, he's always turning his entire torso to look over at Hanwiener or to look up at the screen. Maybe it had to do with the stupid way he wore his headphones so he could keep his hat on.
>okay I don't have a shred of proof but you can't DISPROVE it
No wonder brown Christ-tards love this idiot
I never really believed Hanwiener, I just like making mainstream archeologists seethe.
lol robert. oh you.
>SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE ANCIENTS!
I CLOSED IT
Was it autism?
Zahi Hawass (put in place as a fiend of the corrupt mubarak regime btw) perfectly encapsulates the orthodox mainstream modus operandi when they have their assumptions challenged.
These are the people putting their fingers into their ears yelling "no no no can't hear you la la la" and claiming that Graham Hanwiener has been discredited because they won't admit their jumped to conclusions and have based decades of work on faulty assumptions.
Ok, israeliteehr, go back to your pseudoscientific books.
Also both of these tards are assets. The fedora wearing homosexual is the typical brainwashed-to-perfection "academic" who, even if he could break his years of indoctrination, never would because it would cost him his livelihood.
Hanwiener is the clown putting on a show in the town square to taint the image of any non-mainstream theories with his inane rambling. That's why he rants about Martian crack dealers selling the stuff to Egyptians so they could lift boulders with sound or whatever the frick. Do you really think he'd get a fricking Netflix show if he wasn't an asset? This is like the King giving the Jester a podium to speak about conspiracies against the royal family in the middle of the city square. He'd never do that if it didn't benefit him.
Also yeah this is the classic reaction of most "academics" nowadays because they're just a propaganda arm, stop giving them any credibility just because their masters dressed up these monkeys in white lab coats and gave them a piece of paper saying they are credible.
didn't read btw
Can’t believe I sided with this literal “trust le science” fedora wearing redditard but that’s how shoddy Hanwieners claims were.
>muh I risked my life going diving 10 feet deep on vacation with my wife
>muh we haven’t excavated every grain of sand in the Sahara desert so you can’t say I’m wrong
I can believe you did.
By the way, are we SURE this isn't Dobson?
it's not. he showed his he-man woman hater's club member card around the halfway point.
Damn, guess he really is gone...
Good riddance homosexual lmao
muh Paracas skulls
squeezing a baby's head makes them twice as big
imagine going on the biggest podcast on the planet, and not even wearing a fittin suit, lol Hanwiener won it easily
>muh we haven’t excavated every grain of sand in the Sahara desert so you can’t say I’m wrong
This is true tho. I'd bet a large sum of money that there's a buried civ in there from where the sahara was green and not a desert.
They've radar scanned the entire Sahara. No evidence of such a civilization. Flint said this in the podcast. When Graham heard that he quickly moved the goalpost to excavation instead of radar scanning.
Your counterpoint?
>They've radar scanned the entire Sahara
>radar scanning for stuff what would be buried under dozens of meters or more of sand
kek
>radar can't penetrate that deep
Lol how do you think they find the structures they excavate in the first place.
Anon, ground penetrating radars aren't radars used for aircraft or surface targets. You need to move the equipment over the target spot. It will also, in the best of conditions, get through about 30m of sand.
You'd need a truck to drive across the Sahara with an active ground penetrating radar that will scan 30m deep but only a few meters wide. Forgetting for a moment that it's likely ruins of stuff as ancient as Hanwiener is talking about would likely be way more than 30m down, do you know how big the Sahara is? Can you imagine how many trucks you'd need to get it done in 10 years?
No, nobody has "radar scanned the Sahara", not even 10% of it, and the parts that have been scanned have mostly been scanned down to 15-20m.
Given that the Sphinx is only 20m high, and has never come close to being fully buried despite being neglected and abandoned for multiple millennia in the historical record, there's no reason why your supposed even more ancient aliens shit would be "way more than 30m down"
Furthermore, even such an old civilization would still leave differences of graduation upon the surface to hint at past grand structures. They can find billion year old asteroid impact craters, but they can't find your stupid Atlantis? Go kick rocks homosexual.
Unsurprisingly, not all parts of the Sahara are the same, which is why we have villages built in the last 100 years being overtaken by sand, while in other places they won't be covered for millennia.
However I do find it interesting how quickly you shifted away from the claim that the whole of the Sahara has been scanned. What ever happened to that?
I'm not that anon and I care not about the Sahara being scanned any more than you actually care to source your "100 years village uncovered for millennia" bullshit. Pedantically, yes the entire Sahara has been scanned by lasers from the space shuttle, but it's irrelevant. If such a civilization existed, and built the Sphinx to boot, then they should have built something, anything else that could survive above ground level, given that the Sphinx isn't even that tall as a structure. They didn't, ergo they didn't exist.
>has never come close to being fully buried
homie what are you talking about? in napoleonic times it was buried up to its neck in sand and this is stated in multiple sources over many years.
I think you are the homie here because I literally posted a pic from the 19th century and furthermore it matches perfectly with the Napoleonic portrait which was sourced from contemporary drawings, like this one from 1823.
You people are so ignorant even homosexual redditors shit all over you. Think about that.
There's literally a well documented historical event where some Italian took 100+ men and dug out the Sphinx which was covered up to its head at the start of the 19th century. You can google this very easily.
>dug out the Sphinx which was covered up to its head at the start of the 19th century
You mean 50 years after this? Nice source, homosexual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sphinx_of_Giza#/media/File:Norden,_1755_(2).png
Does anyone know what the moron actually thinks he's arguing anymore?
Is it just a thread derailment shill trying to gish gallop the thread into unreadability?
You tell me when exactly the Sphinx was covered up to its head, homosexual.
Go on, call all of these people liars.
In ALL of those sketches. What the frick are you talking about? Do you think "up to its head" means "past its head" or something? Or are you just being a homosexual and saying "uh ACKSHUALLY the neck is a different body part from the head"?
ok so looks like we're dealing with some moron esl mudbug
good to know I don't need to pay attention to your posts anymore
Can you really not tell the difference in how much it's buried there versus in
?
>posts pic of sphinx almost completely buried
>see? This proves it was never buried.
Ok, Dibble. Sure thing bud.
>has never come close to being fully buried
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
Zahi Hawass doesn't believe in radar
Start the video at 38:25. That's when Flint drops the truth bomb about the Sahara. Graham quickly dismissed and goes
>NOOOOO THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED AND IT IS MAKING ME LOOK BAD YOU MUST CONFIRM THIS DATA POINT THAT MAKES ME LOOK GOOD YOU CANT CITE OTHER DATA POINTS
In short, GET BTFO CHUDS
Ok could I have a link to the super advanced radar capable of scanning large chunks of the Sahara at several dozen meters of depth? Alternatively, some articles about the massive scanning operations and the tens of thousands of trucks employed. Surely it would make the news.
Ask Flint, moron. He has an email and if you quote him directly and ask for a source, I'm sure he'd be more than happy to give it. But you won't do that.
Radar doesn't work for that shit
flint got owned.
gh won the debate
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What is his opinion on the younger dry ass?
He's too bussy researching Gobacki Fappi
>Gobacki Fappi
>too bussy
Why did he step on a rake like he did when he mentioned he'd been to that one place in South America, and then tried to call out Flint's credibility when he said he hadn't? He realizes that his entire notion of credibility is that he does the same work as archeologists, except that he comes to different conclusions, right? Why'd he willing admit to just being a tourist like half a dozen a times?
Who are these 2 boomers?
>the world being gay and stupid is actually the truth yet again
I should've known it was nonsense because I actually enjoyed listening to it and imagining it was true. I wish I wasn't like this.
i just like shit like this for the same reason i like any fictional lore. its a fun way of re-imaging the world.
Even if Graham is a liar, these pearl clutching academia gays are also full of it too, they care more about keeping their comfy positions than finding the truth
>Get called a racist for 2 hours by some weaselly leftist
>Somehow loses
OP continues to be a homosexual.
Yeah I don't know who these dipshits even are, but the fedora guy was clearly reddit incarnate.
Plus, he literally said "I read it" when asked for a reliable source on a claim. Kek.
>tfw history and archeology is too boring for Americans so they have to add ancient hypertechnology, aliens and superpowers into the mix
Sure, it would make for a pretty interesting movie but to believe that it absolutely did happen this way is moronic
That's how I know you guys never read his books. In his first book he said the world was going to end in 2012 as the Mayan's predicted. He believes in all sorts of non-sense.
>he said
wasn't that the mayans?
>sent from my iphone
>Says he never claimed Graham’s views support white supremacy
>Go to the article in question that says just that
>Authored by Flint Dibble
Why did he lie? “No I never said that.”
Why do leftist types do this so much
Furthermore, why is this board siding with him?
How is Atlantis racist? Atlanteans wouldn’t even be white!
>Furthermore, why is this board siding with him?
"As a digital native, I challenge students to improve their public writing on blogs and social media. "
Thinking outside of the box does not require hard and concrete evidence, just scientific endeavours, as past mad geniuses have proven. True science has an air of irresponsibility to it. Safe, trusted science is stifling.
Peer review and tyrannical academic authority have rotted the intellectual elite.
The COVID debacle hurt the credibility of the scientific establishment in ways Lysenko could only dream of
>How is Atlantis racist? Atlanteans wouldn’t even be white!
These esoteric, hypothetical pre-deluge civilizations often have connotations associated with Third Reich race occultism.
Archeology as a whole has connotations associated with the Third Reich
And as we all know, if Nazis did something that means when someone else does it they're also a Nazi.
I'm not saying it right, it's just the reason why these dorks walk on eggshells regarding any talk about lost civilizations and constantly try to besmirch each other as white supremacists.
>Jewehr wet right now
Esoterism is a cool hobby. Lots of chicks and drugs, but once one gets blacked into the orgy, he will inevitably start believing in the nonsense.
>Furthermore, why is this board siding with him?
Notice how in threads like this one where the OP is a hit piece against the "conspiracy theory", for the first few posts it seems like 100% of users side with the established narrative, while as the thread grows more and more people start siding against it?
You and me need to see the thread in the catalog, read it, and then formulate an opinion. The shills on the other hand are in the same Discord channel as OP and he'll ping them immediately as soon as the thread is posted to try to control the narrative.
If you latch onto grifters just to be contrarian it's only a matter of time before a redditor BTFO of your guy.
How can I trust somebody who seriously thinks believing in ancient civilizations is white supremacist
Is Cinemaphile mostly non white now
>now
always has been
only complete morons who dont understand the scientific method would ever take this hack seriously. muh academia and muh mainstream was always a red herring and you all fell for it
why do i need to understand the scientific method for another man's thoughts about something that may or may not be true?
I guess epistemology is not your strong suite
>epistemology
sounds mainstream
At least Hanwiener isn’t a boring homosexual who refuses to entertain the imagination
Anon, Archaeology IS boring.
Not always (palaeontology tho)
Reminds me of the meme where it was ancient historians who were like "alright so I talked to this guy who said 100 guys won against 100,000."
I don't think it's about entertaining the imagination, it's more, why be "blind" to the possibility that it could be true? I mean isn't that the whole point of digging for shit like this?
Say you come across some sort of undeniable evidence that it's true, do you just dismiss it because it doesn't fit with the rest of your work? Why keep digging if you're just going to deny it if it shows up? or keep digging if you don't have some sort of "what if?" sense of adventure in you?
>Say you come across some sort of undeniable evidence that it's true, do you just dismiss it because it doesn't fit with the rest of your work?
Yes. Look up the whole ‘Clovis first’ thing. Archaeologists would rather ruin their rivals’ lives and careers than accept new evidence lol.
Archaeology is religious. Human history is a religion.
But what is the point of "keep on digging deeper" if you're just going to throw away whatever discovery you come across? It's insane.
Unless you dug right through the core of the earth ancient aliens built the pyramid while Hyperboreans sailed the stars during the Ice Age. And you can't disorove any of that!
Contrary to the case of the Clovis Culture (which is now recognized by Mainstream Academia), they dismiss Hanwiener's claims because there is no slight bit of evidence. Absolutely nothing.
I mean it's fine to dismiss the claims if there's no evidence, just as long as IF undeniable evidence surfaces they accept it.
But there lies the problem with Graham, he doesn't do archeology. He just writes books and makes documentaries as an outsider. When push comes to shove, the guy won't get his hands dirty. I can literally go on YouTube and watch actual archeologists excavate areas of Ancient Sumeria during the latest excavation season, and even Flint does that shit despite having almost no money. Graham on the other hand is wealthy but won't spend a dime on something he can't monetize because it isn't about advancing science, it's about leeching off the work of thousands of archeologists over hundreds of years so he can push some "Wouldn't it be cool?" Fiction. Don't get me wrong, it would be insanely fricking cool. Also, there are places in the ocean that haven't been examined that really should because they are anomalous but because it's difficult to go there Graham won't do it.
the Overhauser Effect is the way (magnetic fields)
doggerland, when?
Archeological digs require permits and if you're trying to do something the higher-ups don't like you won't get those permits.
Not an excuse, Graham. Those locations are mostly corrupt, shakedown rackets and regular archeologists know this and so they pay into the system to get something out of the system. If you want to do actual archeology, you had better be prepared to pay for leakage like that because it's how the world works.
How did the third worlders get all the good archeological sites
going to be blunt.
their drugs were better.
I don't know, but it pisses me off. I didn't even watch the whole debate so I am curious was Fedoraman had to say about Native Tribes actively hobbling archeological digs in NA because "muh burial grounds".
>actively hobbling archeological digs in NA because muh burial grounds
You mean "extorting" right?
I would say they are except they don't want money most of the time. They just won't let you dig at all.
Dry places preserve ruins much better, and encourage building materials that are more likely to survive.
There's nothing to stop him from volunteering as an unpaid trowel monkey. Nor is there anything to keep him from putting some of that book money towards sponsoring a dig or other research by accredited individuals, which can get you all kinds of perqs including site access.
>putting some of that book money towards sponsoring a dig or other research by accredited individuals
Anon, I didn't say grants. I said PERMITS. All the money in the world won't help you if you don't get permission to visit a site and dig there or to dig a new site.
I know, but real archeologists can get permits for real archeology, and with the right connections he can look over their shoulders while they do it. No substitute for actual fieldwork as the other anon pointed out but it would help give him at least some participation so he could maybe gets a better grasp of the field he's dismissing.
>there are places in the ocean that haven't been examined that really should because they are anomalous but because it's difficult to go there Graham won't do it
Shouldn't it be more feasible for coastal waters to be explored? If there ever was something similar to an Atlantis in the Stone Age, it should be there. Picrel.
The place I am thinking of in particular is deep and off the coast of Cuba. You'd need an underwater RV or a mini sub.
Bluefish caves, anon. Bluefish caves.
What did Dibble counter regarding gobekli tepe?
He pointed out that people had been telling Graham for about a decade that there are older sites, and he was hyperfixating on Globe Acky TP to his own detriment.
and how does that discredit graham's ideas?
Do you understand what non-falsifiable means? Because that's all of Grahams claims.
>archeological evidence points to the first stationary agricultural civilization being 10,000 years old
>find a site constructed by humans
>ignore all evidence that dates it older than 10,000 years ago because that doesn't fit the previously established facts
>finally get forced to recognize the site is older than 10,000 years
>"So that shows we had stationary agricultural civilizations more than 10,000 years ago and we need to revise our understanding of human history, right?"
>"No! It means that nomadic hunter gatherers struggling for survival built this site!"
This kind of thing is why archeology is such a joke these days. No one wants to actually revise anything, just throw out contradicting evidence and force everything into the old framework.
did you consider opening the window, touching grass and taking your meds, schizzo?
>ignores the fact the entire site was not built at the same time
>shows we had stationary agricultural civilizations more than 10,000 years ago
Tepe is literally a proto-civilization spot (or at least one of those) according to present evidence.
>proto-civilization spot
Glad to hear they've finally been forced to budge a bit further on that.
think Karan Tepe(and the surrounding areas) forced their hand(s)
So
isn’t wrong and archaeology is a religion just like science.
who the frick still TRUSTS LE HECKIN SCIENCE in the current year
did any of you homosexuals take the vaccine? hanwiener is right because the idea of the atlantid is fun while dysgenic nerds rolling around in the dirt excavating small pieces of pottery like pigs searching for truffles is petty and pathetic, literally the last man that makes everything small
>n-not an argum
dilate
Contrarianism on Cinemaphile is so strong at this point people like legit think its cool to sound like a moron who can't grasp what's real and what's not.
No, you mong. Nobody thinks you are cool and you will not be taken seriously by anyone in the real world.
Don't forget to get your booster, anon. This year's covid strain is extremely dangerous and is a real game changer. Protect the vulnerable and do the right thing.
>fedora lord
>posts a fricking carl sagon meme within 10 minutes
He could be 100% right and that guys still an insufferable homosexual I couldn't tolerate.
What did Dibble have to say about the Sphinx erosion hypothesis
dunno, but here is a link for whoever is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJWEjimeDM&t=12s
It never came up because Hanwiener never mentioned it, but he would have probably just shrugged.
The last time the region flooded was 14k years ago, which means the Sphinx was there when it did. Geology survey has confirmed it's water erosion. Archaeologists can mald all they want about it, it's no longer a hypothesis.
Whether it was built by an ancient civilisation or not is obviously unclear.
It was either an older construction re-done to account for the small ass head, or some highly convenient shaped rock that they worked on.
I'd say if it was built more than 14,000 years ago it was indeed built by an ancient civilization. The most important thing in my opinion is archeology recognizing and admitting that human civilization has existed a lot longer than we originally thought. It doesn't have to be about ancient outsiders or whatever the frick, the part that matters is there were people in Egypt capable of building the Sphinx and other megalithic structures far further back in history than we thought. But archeologists don't even want to cede that much in most cases.
they like the smithsonian want to have complete monopoly over these theories. 100 years passes and everyone is regurgitating the same thoughts, without research. the science is settled, duh. same as anctartica, there is only ice ans and snow, no ancient civ burried underneath it all...
>same as anctartica, there is only ice ans and snow, no ancient civ burried underneath it all...
Go back to Agartha, israeliteehr.
see
Not boosting your YT impressions wienermongler.
Uh, melty.
Surprisingly fair video actually presenting opposing evidence without writing it all off. This guy should have been on Rogan in place of Dibble.
>HOW CAN THERE BE WATER EROSION IN THIS AREA THAT FLOODED REGULARLY??? IT MUST'VE BEEN RAIN
Was he really dismantled? I listened to the whole thing, and I can't really tell who was right. It sounds like he has a case at least. It was basically two hours of:
>I visited that site and made this chart that proves I'm right
>Well I visited and made this chart that proves you are wrong
>No, your chart proves I'm right too
>No, your chart proves that you are wrong also
I wish Hollywood made more archeology kinos.
That looks like a French movie I saw in YouTube...
that looks like the french i saw in paris
you mean the guy that believes in mars aliens and atlantis was spewing bullshit? frick bros...
>Dude the ancient Egyptians did DMT in a ritual and summoned the Machine Elves who used telekenesis to move the pyramids.
This is what Dibble was up against.
you forgot the egyptians were taught by martians
My autistic ass wouldn't go half the way the dude went. I guess esoteric drugs make people feel different.
Its funny because now I believe he denies any suggestion of aliens and it was not mentioned in the Netflix special. The great thing about being an alternative theorist is like alternative medicine you dont have to prove anything you can just say mainstream science cant explain this so maybe this theory could be true. You are putting the burden of proof on your opponents.
Before "le evil archeologists who are dismissing my work" it was "le evil NASA who is dismissing my work" kek.
Damn, it must be pretty easy to be a "researcher" who just put the burden of proof on others.
based flint
kys samegay. one day you woll have to tell the truth
no u
so did you bribe your students to defend you online, or just threaten them with academically altering their futures? also you are not allowed to have that german woodsman hat. you are being a supremacist stealing my peoples history
Has anyone made a photoshop of Hanwiener wearing like 15 pairs of glasses?
>insane man notices some grains of truth
>reddit scientist dismisses these grains
Honestly they both look fricking terrible
One is dangerously imaginative, the other one is dangerously stubborn
Never mind that past geniuses were batshit insane people
Why aren’t you allowed to dissect a person’s views?
Believing in alien wizardry is somehow less cringe than “if you don’t agree with me it’s white supremacy”
Graham is unironically right about everything.
>Verification not required.
Keep seething, hooknose. lol
>enters thread
>sharts
>leaves
BASIERT.
halt deine dumme fresse. fick deine mutter!
Saug mein schönen Schwanz, Kamerad.
du bist ein sehr dämlicher negerliebhaber. komm lass dich doch von den türken vergewaltigen, anstatt deiner familie zu helfen...
>melty
Ich akzeptiere dein Zugeständnis, Kamerad.
I kneel
Thanks.
75% of his audience is Hispanic and they don't care.
Funny how the hat wearing israelite brings up white supremacy anti-semitism out of nowhere, absolutely unprompted.
I guess he revealed the real reason why they want to hide the real history of the white race.
semetic supremacist. a israelite jocky, a hateful heeb and nomadic Black folk
The idea that aliens wouldn’t once be interested in our planet over the millions of years of its existence is absurd to me.
Either they’ve been here or they haven’t, and the latter is the more absurd, to me.
Why wouldn’t aliens want to look at dinosaurs? Forget humans. Although why would aliens just now start looking at us? That’s also an absurd.
It’s one or the other. There is no third side to this coin.
If aliens knew about us then we'd be dead. Just one individual alien who thinks it'd be funny to strap a rocket to an asteroid and accelerate it for a few thousand years could destroy the earth, let alone whatever future tech they'd have.
That's such a naive and moronic statement. If ETs exist and no one has made contact, then how the frick do you know they are hostile? It's just as crazy a statement as ETs made the Pyramids.
He probably watched some videos about the dark forest explanation for the fermi paradox.
I didn't say "they" are hostile, I said that if literally one of them was hostile there is nothing the rest could do to realistically stop them from mass genocide. Individual (albeit rich) humans in the near future will have access to world-destroying tech (rockets), and you're talking about aliens with alien morality millions of years more developed than us
>If aliens knew about us then we'd be dead
No. They’d be too powerful for that. We’d sooner be their plaything without even realizing it. We probably already are.
Aliens are interested in us and we're interested in aliens but neither of us can reach each other and our civilizations would collapse before we ever could so its irrelevant.
I would have preferred to see this kid debate Graham, especially since he devoted 4x hour long youtube videos to debunking Graham and are are orders of magnitude more popular than Dibble. He also specifically debunks the Bimini Road that Graham loves to bring up for which Dibble had nothing prepared.
(First video in the 4 part series) https://youtu.be/-iCIZQX9i1A?si=a4ntHMgbemckoAUK
(Debunking the Bimini Road) https://youtu.be/pfNgMAwsPWI?si=_QaIlvbJEy6jCfB2&t=1284
i'm not clicking your video. however.
I looked at your linkedin.
you went straight from school to youtube/tiktok.
I'm not sure what you mean by "my linkedin". I'm not the guy in the video.
This seems to almost entirely agree with the evidence in the videos I linked and that he didn't even need to continue because "when an extraordinary intellectual edifice is found to be based at least in part upon wilful misrepresentation of data, the whole edifice becomes suspect."
He's referring to GH there, not the Youtuber. Meaning he doesn't need to see anymore to agree that GH is full of shit.
>This seems to almost entirely agree with the evidence in the videos I linked
it does, and the fact that you went from school to tiktok is lel. I didn't click your videos btw.
I still don't know what you mean by this. I'm considerably older than the person in the video. I have a career in software and don't even have tiktok on my phone, let alone go on it elsewhere. I don't understand who you think I am or why you think that.
Milo, pls go.
>rhetorically filtered
Anon, Cinemaphile was made for adults only.
https://jonathan-kolber.medium.com/thank-you-for-this-33191c619d1
Dibble did debunk the "road" theory. He said all the ancient roads we have unearthed to date had artifacts in them like ceramics and stuff.
I don't really believe Hanwiener, bit the whole
>noooo you can't just use those sources without loudly pronouncing you hate nazis
bit was fricking moronic
One of the first things fedora guy said was that he doesn't even use the word 'civilization' and he doesn't have any colleagues that do either. So I don't think it's the 'ancient' part that he necessarily has a problem with. He thinks the concept of 'civilization' is fundamentally racist or somehow wrongthink. You'd have to use deep hypnosis and drug therapy to deprogram a person like that
Uh, sweaty... don't you understand that "civilization" implies a dichotomy between the savage and the civilized which is used to denigrate the achievements of proud, noble, human-sacrificing cannibals? Try to check your privilege before opening your racist mouth, UGH.
It's postmodernist non-sense. He follows that up by saying there are no grand narratives, another foundation of postmodernism. PoMo has been the biggest disaster for the west, all bad things have sprung from it. It only destroys. It is by far the most cynical philosophy to ever exist. And because it doesn't require to actually create anything, these bugmen types love it. It's fricking pathetic. How this took over academia and then the wider world culture is beyond me.
Postmodernism doesn't exist. Its just another boogeyman polcels cry about to smear real academics.
Ir is crazy that everytime I meet educated people irl I feel extremely stupid, but it is clear by the posts in every board that 90% of anons are either underage or mentally impaired like the Kraut seething above.
Saxae Wamone
what the frick is this and this entire thread
seems like just 2 guys arguing with each other
I never say shit like this, but I'm honestly starting to believe Flint Dibble has a discord or something where he is organizing a smear campaign against Hanwiener. This thread is filled to the brim with very obvious shills. You can tell because they keep saying moronic shit about how smart or cool Flint is, an opinion that no one hold organically. Even if you hated Hanwiener for some reason and thought he was a liar and a grifter, you still wouldn't be bending over backwards to not only defend Flint as a person, but also to pay him compliments. Dude is a total joke. Anyone not a shill can see that he is very obviously leddit incarnate.
Plus, the shit he said in that interview they were quoting where he said that Grahams claims were white supremacist was just unhinged. And then he kept trying to deny it and flat out refused to answer the question of whether or not he actually said it. He just kept strawmanning and deflecting by saying
>I never said "GRAHAM" was white supremacist.
Yeah, that's because his direct quote was, "'SUCH CLAIMS' are white supremacist." he's a slimy little cuck. And what's even more damning, is it's not just Cinemaphile. If it was, maybe I could pass it off as trolling, though this place is so filled with normies and shills, shit that would at one time have definitely been trolling or bait is now sincere. But it's not just Cinemaphile. The YouTube comments, even on the snippets posted on all of those third party clips channels, you have this very large swathe of people defending Dibble's honor. And they are even more obvious over there, saying shit like, "Flint is so cool! He owned Hanwiener. He is smart and more educated, and made great arguments that Graham couldn't refute. His hat is really awesome." I mean, come on man. What a bunch of malarkey.
I think people are just tired of people shilling graham hanwiener here and on /misc/ and are relishing seeing him get knocked down a peg on the platform that got him big, Joe Rogan’s show
I saw greyham in the 90's
before youtube
>"'SUCH CLAIMS' are white supremacist."
Do you think those claims are white supremacist or no?
No. Claiming that an ancient lost civilization may have existed who taught things to other ancient civilizations we know about is not white supremacist. Hanwiener has never made claims of any kind about the race of that civilization, let alone claims that they were specifically ancestors of modern white people. Calling those claims white supremacist is a completely disingenuous tactic to smear Hanwiener as a racist in the minds of the public.
>Yeah, that's because his direct quote was, "'SUCH CLAIMS' are white supremacist."
devaluing the accomplishments of non-whites is 'racist white supremacist' devaluing the accomplishments of whites is "progressive" this is the bias of science and academia now.
>*switches glasses*
Kino.
Whether or not Hanwiener is right, dogma in academic fields is anathema to progress and we will fall into a dark age if we do not address it.
Yep. Hard skepticism is pure cancer. People like Neil deGrasse Tyson literally cannot entertain the possibility that aliens have visited. He just can’t do it.
I mean, you cant prove it at all, so what would entertaining that they MAY have visited change? There's no point whatsoever in entertaining most things you cant prove because it's irrelevant outside of teenage, so-cool-man, masturbatory day dreaming.
If there was no point then he shouldn't argue about his stupid alien hypothesis with joe for 10 minutes
>the need for evidence is preventing progress
Evidence just gets too hard to collect and present the deeper the human race gets into its advancement. Eventually it becomes so heavy a burden that nothing new is ever embraced.
>why aren't you embracing my claims backed by no evidence??
What a lovely strawman. Even if Hanwiener is a hack who makes shit up, the existence of Göbekli and Karahan Tepe should have merited a much earlier reconsideration of the foundations of civilization. The fact that it has taken as long as it has for sites as old and well-documented as these to begin to turn scientific consensus is a concerning trend that shows the worrying presence of dogma in academia. Sure, dismiss Hanwiener's crazy mushroom induced psychic powers out of hand, but to dismiss the possibility of older civilizations until the evidence is overwhelming harms the mind of a culture. To not even entertain the possibility.
>I risked my live vacation diving like a tourist in the tourist spot x
What was up with that?
Lifes work? He was just making things up with no evidence. Like all archeologists and 99% of historians.
>Flint Dibble theorists say Yes
>hello bone, I am flint. do you food trash?
okay, that pic explains the fedora and why kept it on the whole 4 hours
to be fair, he had cancer. it was not from ancient atomic bombs iirc.
These arguments reduce to:
1) “You’re pointing out gaps in our knowledge but you can’t explain them so you’re wrong to point them out”
2) “Your attempt to create context speculatively to tentatively make sense of the gaps is provably not the exact right answer so therefore you’re wrong to try to make sense of these gaps”
Academics do this all the time and are full of shit. Sometimes it is indeed because we just don’t know, although that doesn’t mean we can explore possibilities. Sometimes the academic explanation which fits the theory to minimal evidence (even though “known unknowns” disprove the theory) is just probably wrong for example it’s highly improbable that illiterate fishermen founded Christianity. Sometimes academic theories are provable dogshit like climate change or dark matter.
Academics say whatever their funding tells them to. In any event, while they claim to avoid the phenomenon of the wacky professor whose speculation becomes an ego-investment he forces to fit with all new evidence, frankly they are already doing this all the time so long as a theory is politically correct. And it’s literally politics not evidence that ever changes consensus.
I don't understand what's so different about this guy compared to other fringe history/conspiracy theory figures that has made the establishment target him so hard.
He's on Netflix, it's the establishment that pushes him.
There's more than one establishment in play.
he must have got something right after all these years.
Graham put together a story with his mind. Dibble finds little pieces of story out of context. You can appreciate Graham as a story teller and Dibble as an archaeologist. But Graham is basically saying nobody can say he is wrong because they haven't done enough work to rule out his grand story.
As if any c**t can walk in off the street and command an entire scientific field to test his hypothesis lol.
We live in an age when any c**t can.
in the end i found myself agreeing with neither of them
they both were dead set on convincing the other of their beliefs instead of trying to figure out the truth
joe understood this at least
Podcasters don't give a shit about the truth, they just want to fill up their timeslot and say "I don't know enough, and that's a good thing", and kick the can down the road.
Dibble? More like Drivel.
What funny is that the establishment would love to rewrite history. Science nerds love to snipe at each other in long boring papers about how so and so is wrong about there conclusions or findings. But it all hinges on evidence not on what about ism.
>accuses you of racism
>refuses to elaborate
Fricking based. Get fricked graham you open borders freak
>Hanwiener: there could be an ancient civilisation that was more advanced than us
>Dibble: there is zero evidence to support that
>Hanwiener: but have we checked literally everywhere for evidence?
>Dibble: No
>Hanwiener: so im right
just saved you 4.5hrs
Missed the part where GH admits there's no evidence
You seem to be missing critical thinking
Those are his own words, about an hour and 20 minutes in.
Quite sure you can find the timestamp in the comments.
Anybody with 2 brain cells could see this is a complete and utter moron
You don't need the fedora reddit archeologist to "debunk" him
Apparently you do because finding 2 brain cells together is a miracle these days.
As long as schizos follow israeliteehr, Hancuck, and other quacks, Funposting shall prevail.
I'm a big Hanwiener fan and am into the whole cataclysm/lost civ shit. Cum Dribble nearly convinced me, it was an embarrassing episode for Hanwiener. But then Mr. Fedora was smirking the whole time, being a smug fricking liberal went wirh the whole Nazi/white supremacy shit (and I'm as anti-Nazi as they come) just to try to cancel Hanwiener and made me realise I'd rather side with the genuinely nice dude who's wrong, like Hanwiener than side with that "ACKSHUALLY" nerd dweeb liberal pussy b***h in his dad suit wearing a discount Indiana Jones hat.
That is pure cope and seethe at intellectual superiority, and I say that as someone who doesn't care about either of them. Anyone who reads the wisdom of the greats realizes very quickly that few of them were humble, and they rarely had any reason to be.
He's not a nice person, he knowingly lies and sells it to you. Guys a scam artist
incredible how vaush made it to joe rogan, congrats!
Anon i saw this debate video too, Graham was much more charismatic than this redditor. I actually enjoyed listening to him speak about psuedo-science, meanwhile the redditor couldn't even make eye contact, i don't trust him.
He was talking about all of you morons.
t. Idiot
The more appropriate Twain quote is:
>"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"
And it gets shown to be truer and truer every day. Its also extremely succinct when it comes to academics. Very few academics ever admit they got it wrong and embrace new paradigms, especially those with teaching positions.
The only commonality is that there are fools and foolers. Whether they are in academia or not is irrelevant. Taking someone seriously because of a lack of a degree is the exact same logic as taking them seriously because of it.
Some "foolers" are granted authority and upheld as religious bastions of truthfulness. These are our current day academics, generally. So you can't say academia is irrelevant when it is constantly appealed to as an authority and accepted as such by the dying mainstream orthodoxy.
>because morons are morons in that way, I can be the opposite and not be moronic!
same logic as racism and "antiracism", exact same. Enjoy your moronic life, bud.
Twain was a White supremacist so we must ignore him
Funny how Hanwiener goes all over the globe in his show, showing his hypothesis for a lost ancient worldwide civilization.
But when discussing with an archeologist, he conveniently forgets all of that, and focus ONLY in the Amazon and Sahara, the only still unexplored parts of the world.
Wow, so you telling me this ancient civilization just happen to have existed in the only two places in the world you can't fully check out?! Bravo, Graham.
Media depictions of the sphinx really don't do justice to just how fricking goofy and disproportionate it looks.
>Hanwiener marries a black woman from Africa
> 'He's a white supremacist!!'
Where is Dibbles black wife?