>has literal time travel watch
>never used again in the next five movies
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>has literal time travel watch. >never used again in the next five movies
>has literal time travel watch
>never used again in the next five movies
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It really doesn't do anything since everything is predetermined and nothing will change if you use it. Pretty much why Hermoine was using it to study.
>study more
>this changes nothing
Fricking education system
>Gives the potentially most powerful magical artifact to a child
Bravo
if nothing will change than how was Hermoine using it to attend classes? Didn't she change the classes? Didn't she learn anything for her tests?
>Didn't she change the classes?
No. If she had the power to change the classes, Divination would have a whole different curriculum.
Now I haven't read the books in a decade but didn't they save that hippogriff using that?
It's a closed loop. They always saved the hippogriff by time traveling and nothing changed. There's a sound of the axe chopping something off screen and you're meant to think that it's when the hippogriff was killed, but in reality it was just the headsman being butthurt because the time traveling kids had already saved it and he chopped up a pumpkin in frustration.
the hippo never died
Past kids selves implies (their reaction) the Hippogriifs gets fricked up in the past
Yeah well I'm predetermined to be time Hitler so I'll take it
>predetermined to be time Hitler
No, that's Ulrich. Also was a Grindelwald supporter, I hear.
Why did they even give it to her?
She chose to study subjects with conflicting lesson times, but she was such a goody-goody that rather than force her to change her subject choices, they gave her the time-turner so she could attend all of the lessons.
So why didn't The Order use one?
Really? That's... stupid, that can of information would frick the timeline
>would frick the timeline
No, because that's how it had always happened. So it stabilized the timeline.
So everything was a loop? So why not save their friends while they're at it or Hermione's future was the only priority?
>So why not save their friends while they're at it
Because that had never happened that way. You cannot just go to the past and do something that never happened.
>You cannot just go to the past and do something that never happened.
In other words, using the time turner strips you off of your free will until you complete the loop and there's nothing else to it.
No. It's just that your will has already caused the things you will do of your own (free) volition.
Think of it like Nietzsche's "ewige Wiederkehr".
oh yea? just watch me, homosexual
Because she'd become a minister of magic in the future, so she needed all the education they could get. They knew she'd become a minister of magic because someone from that future time used a time turner to travel back and tell them about it.
>most famous wizarding school in the world
>best and only wizarding school in britain
>headmaster is one of the most powerful and influental wizard in the world
>somehow you cannot take all the electives at once as a student in this school
>since no student before hermione ever wanted to, nobody really cares or cared before her
>they won’t care after, so instead of overhauling the education system they give a literal time machine to a 13 year old girl because she is “super mature”
>she is supposed to keep it a secret and use it strictly for studying
>yet the wise old headmaster basically gaslights Hermione into abusing it and fricking with time itself
>said headmaster knows sirius is innocent yet done frick all about it for 13 years
>somehow chucking people into prison without a trial is acceptable by everyone including the “chief warlock” who is also the wise headmaster
>when truth potions, pensieves and mind reading exist
What the frick were they fricking thinking?
What the frick was JK Rowling smoking ?
tldr, time to jerk off the Hermione
Are Americans so stupid they they need big numbers on their movie sequels?
a woman wrote it what do you expect
A non-linear web of causation can still be static from an outside reference frame, like a knot in a string
Lore-wise they say they don't really know what happens if you go back in time and change stuff, might go good, might go bad, that's why it's always recommended to use the time turner explicitly to become an observer of the past.
As to why they don't use it in later movies, it's because the 20 meter high shelf with all time turners in the world conveniently collapsed and destroyed all time turners in OotP.
>have a time travel watch
>just use it once
>have a potion that helps you achieving success at something
>just use it once
>have a mirror that can give you what you need if you're worthy it
>just use it once
Why they didn't go back in time and avadakedrava tom riddle ?
Because that would make them just as evil as him.
>killing magic hitler makes you just as bad as magic hitler
Yes.
I guess that makes IRL Hitler double evil
Yes. But he also killed his dog, so that makes up for it.
JK tried to write the cursed child about exactly this and it was stupid. She shouldv've just said something like
>energy required to travel back in time quickly increases logarithmically so it is realistically impossible to go back in time more than a day
or something like that
That doesn't explain though why they wouldn't go back in time to Groundhog Day the frick out of the final battle until none of their friends die
>increases logarithmically
You mean exponentially? Because a logarithmic increase is incredibly slow.
If you invert it it's much faster
If you invert it it is isn't logarithmic anymore. It's exponential.
That is if you mean the functional inverse. If you just mean the multiplicative inverse, i.e. y = 1/log(x), it's not "much faster" at all, but in fact a negative growth (a decline). See the red curve in pic related.
Lol, based math genius
>Implying magic requires energy
Too smart of a magic system for JK. There's no evidence that I know of to support the idea that any kind of magic needs energy
>There's no evidence that I know of to support the idea that any kind of magic needs energy
Hogwarts Legacy has spell cooldowns. That kinda implies that some kind of limited resource is required.
That's more of a gameplay mechanic than anything else. I didn't read the books but my gf insists that doing magic costs the wizard nothing - not even mental fatigue
>That's more of a gameplay mechanic than anything else.
It's a gameplay mechanic because without it, everyone'd be spamming spells nonstop and it'd be complete chaos. Same should apply to real life.
Then again, Harry Potter also has Quidditch, which makes no sense in real life.
>everyone'd be spamming spells nonstop and it'd be complete chaos. Same should apply to real life
But aren't wizard fights in Harry Potter exactly that? They never seem to get tired or need breaks between magic volleys
>But aren't wizard fights in Harry Potter exactly that?
Not really. At least in the films, each spell requires elaborate moves of the whoel body, excessively swinging a wand, and stabilizing your posture/stand.
Or, whenever "streams clash" ala the Voldemort/Dumbledoor fight at the ministry or the Voldemort/Harry wand-twin stuff, they seem to require a lot of concentration to power your own spell and overpower your opponent's.
But you do have to turn it a few times, that could be interpreted as winding it up
Yeah but that seems like a user interface thing moreso than a power supply. Kinda like how flicking the wand isn't giving the spell power, but rather directing it or whatever
True but it's the only thing we have. It's just that Rowlings world falls apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny. The students constantly learn spells that can harm others worse than guns, yet we never have the equivalent of school shootings, and we know bullying very much exists in hogwarts
In fact, we see that happening with sectum sempra against malfoy. And that was a spell snape even crafted HIMSELF as a student to use against James Potter. What if he did use it? There are countless things that would happen if the world was somewhat logical
>It's just that Rowlings world falls apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny
Oh you mean like how a good portion of the wizarding student body is pulled from non-magic backgrounds yet no one in the wizarding world seems to understand anything about the normal world?
Lmao yeah like that. Ron's 50 y/o father is supposedly some kinda expert on muggles in the ministry yet doesn't know what the london underground is.
>yet doesn't know what the london underground is
That reminds me of the fact that Harry and Hagrid ride the fricking train in the first harry potter movie. Not the hogwarts express - the actual fricking train in england. I never noticed until my most recent viewing how bizarre that is
>yet we never have the equivalent of school shootings
Most spells are single-target. And everyone else also has access to them. So you alone wouldn't just confront a whole crowd and start "shooting" random people. You'd be dead before you can do much damage.
That's why there's no large-scale shootings. Just small-scale assassinations. Like Harry tried with Malfoy. Teachers apparently didn't consider this an offense that would require serious disciplinary measures, so it must be a somewhat common occurance.
That's like acting if everyone was equipped with an AR-15 then that would deter people from shootings. No, those desperate enough would still do shootings regardless for their own safety. Those people usually aren't thinking how to get out of it
Also Hermione as a 13 year old girl uses "bombarda" on Sirius' cell door, you're telling me that wouldn't be like a grenade?
>No, those desperate enough would still do shootings regardless for their own safety.
It wouldn't be shootings though. Just single murders, with the perfetrator getting stopped quickly.
>uses "bombarda" on Sirius' cell door, you're telling me that wouldn't be like a grenade?
Yes. Spells are irrationally single-purpose. A spell meant for exploding doors/locks might actually not work at all on anything else. They literally have a spell for floating feathers, afterall.
Someone would easily be able to kill multiple people quickly by surprising them and then be stopped or die themselves, how is that not a "shooting"?
>by surprising them
You mean in their sleep? Because, certainly, if you were growing up at Hogwarts, always armed and with armed people everywhere around you, you wouldn't find one of them attacking you particularly surprising. You'd be well prepared, potentially even able to deflect a spell targeted at you.
What a great world, you just have to be at the ready all the time for someone around you to be murdered at any time to take out the attacker
Basically the Wild West, yes.
>What a great world, you just have to be at the ready all the time for someone around you to be murdered at any time to take out the attacker
That's every world, bud.
Except it isn't
Name a world in which violence cannot be enacted upon you at any time
Any world I do not exist in.
Or, alternatively, a world in which I am the only thing that exists.
The difference is how realistic it is. Everyone carrying around a wand at all times to cast whatever the frick is certainly much more dangerous than the real world
>That's like acting if everyone was equipped with an AR-15 then that would deter people from shootings
It unironically would. There's a reason most mass killers target places with a generally unarmed group. Not to say no one would ever try it, just way less likely if you know "muh high score" could be nerfed by anyone around
Yeah some would logically think about it, but a lot that do aren't logically thinking in the first place. Especially not if literally everyone had weapons to easily murder
>but a lot that do aren't logically thinking in the first place
I think that's an incorrect model of spree killers. They don't generally do what they do because they're thinking illogically. It's not a problem of insanity but of evil more often than not.
Consider that planning and executing such an action usually takes so much premediated planning that no court would ever accept an insanity plea
Well yeah, on one hand it would definitely reduce the amount of shootings by rational actors, but it is unclear how much it would be increased by ALL actual paranoid schizos being automatic gun owners
If everyone was rational I would agree but that isn't the case, and normal people can also do irrational things out of fear or anger
>how much it would be increased by ALL actual paranoid schizos being automatic gun owners
Good thing all the paranoid schizos get sorted into the paranoid schizo house, so you only have to keep an eye on those.
would you use the shape shifter potion or the time stop machine more
J.K. Rowling realized she is a hack, so Neville knocks a shelf over in the Ministry of Magic and destroys all of the Time Turners in the fifth book.
>destroys all of the Time Turners in the fifth book.
Except for one, that is. The one they needed to bring Palpat... erm, Voldemort back for the stageplay.
HARRRRRYYYY POTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAA DID YOU PUT YER FECKIN NAME IN THE GOBLET A FIRE YA MUDBLOOD BASTARD
What was the logic behind that you can't show yourself to yourself?
They already have a time travel plan, it's not like it would be a brain melting surprise for them.
>What was the logic behind that you can't show yourself to yourself?
Simple: They didn't see themselves the first time they went through those events, so they have to make sure they don't see themselves the second time either, because that would be a factual contradiction. The events happen without them seeing themselves, so they have to make sure that stays that way.
Had they seen themselves, there'd be no problem with that the second time around. In fact, it'd actually NEED to happen then.
children's books
>Harry potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban 3
damn i didnt know they made two more
Not as funny once you realize they actually DID make two "and the Deathly Hallows" ones.
Nothing would change everything would happen as it happened because that’s what happened. Before they even went back in time they got hit with rocks that they would throw at themselves “later.” It’s not like they didn’t get hit by rocks then decide to go back and throw rocks and changed the future.
Rowling is simply a fricking hack
Can someone debunk this I don’t feel like reading
Watch Dark. It both debunks and confirms it.
Wouldn’t Hermoine be a couple of years older than everyone else from all the extra classes and studying?
No. She just took a few extra lessons for one single year. That means she's maybe a month older than she otherwise would have been, at the very most.
>has literal time travel watch
>not going back to frick hermione in her prime
harry really fricked up didn't he