>have perfect villain
>kill him
No way they are this stupid
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>have perfect villain. >kill him
>have perfect villain
>kill him
No way they are this stupid
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Yes they are. But it's so they have a reason for heaven ad hell to go to war.
Let me guess? Hell good?
No. The order of the world is based on the wrong premise that a soul cannot change in afterlife. Probably resolving the conflict will take God realizing he made a mistske.
But why does the show need a war between heaven and hell?
Because...IT JUST DOES, OK?!? Don't question it you rube, just give Viv your money. She needs it to hire more rape fetishists.
Because Eve is seething.
I thought Heaven dont care about Adam.
Also, make Satan main villain since we know he is a separate character from Lucifer.
Took him some time
Besides a few banger singing lines… what’s even good about him? Dude is more annoying than skibidi toilet stuff.
i think Cinemaphile relates to him. or wants to frick him. both.
It’s mostly the latter, Cinemaphile doesn’t seem to want to openly admit the former. And it’s also mostly the latter because the first thing Cinemaphile did upon looking at his lazy, Dorito shaped design, they went and envisioned him as a hit dude with a dad bod.
Well considering the majority of the males in the show are sticks, it's hot to see a "Dom Daddy" bod.
i genuinely had no interest in any character form this show until i saw fanart of him as a fat dilf. im not crazy about him but its better than nothing.
the gross misogynist pig personality is so much hotter on a chubby guy
It's probably because it's so alpha and masculine for a big guy to be wild, direct and insensitive.
Not bad, but needs the dark grey skin tone.
Don't bet on it
RUINED
GET THAT SHIT OUT OF HERE
get with the times, sinner. Heaven is AWAYS ahead of the curve
we saw in the last episode how the denizens of Heaven are, the future is toned up, scarred e-boys that fight demons with joy
DON'T FRICKING CARE, FAT BASTARD DADDY ADAM IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SHOULD EXIST
>dubs twice
beefcake adam it is then
As it should be...
That top right picture is insanely lewd..... Delete this.....
But they are sooooo cute together...
Lute actually fix him
>maskless adam
no
wtf based viv
Can't wait for it to be revealed he is also wearing a mask and looks just like Lucifer underneath
SHUT THE HELL UP, DON'T TRY TO SCARE ME WITH THAT
Source for that art?
its going to happen and i'm going to be disappointed.
>Adam and Lute gets more popularity but at the cost of Lutes cool headgear
sad
All of that cool and enigmatic image gone... replaced by some albino Raven rip-off
That would explain so much
I think that if Adam takes off his mask, he should look like a demon. He's already fallen because of the shit he does every year, but he wears the mask to hide it.
I don't, I find that shit gross and fatgays consistently ruin everything.
imagine how many plates of bbq and beer it took to get that chonky
Naw, I just find the brofists and him and Lute hyping each other up whenever they have music numbers pretty great.
Plus come on, they even hang out after work, they were walking around in Heaven together. That was just great.
For me, the latter.
I like him because his interaction with Lute is great.
I wish Adam was spouting zoomer level shit. Then he'd be a great villain to hate.
Reminds me of Almighty Tallest from Invader Zim
Oh, really. thank you, anon, you've really helped me. I've been trying to figure out who he reminds me of since the series came out. I completely forgot that Viv had long desecrated Vasquez’s work with her post-postmodernism.
People only like villains like this guy because he is opposing the progressive liberal protagonist so people can act like he's a proxy for their own political stance that does not align with the protagonist's.
It happens every single fricking time now. Toffee, Belos, Ironwood, the Wish guy, Velma's Fred, you name it. All of them are sweet based bois who did nuffin wrong according to this place.
Contrarianism is one hell of a drug.
Ok loser
Adam is the first man created, he shouldn't be killed
Nobody cares about men as a whole. Him dying is nothing but a reflection of reality, the first man is seen as just as much canon fodder as all his sons by the women in his life.
Why did God create men first?
>Create man
>Fear your creation
>Make something that turns him moronic
>Test run with fruit and snek
>"We good."
>implying God fears man in any capacity
So much for Vivzie opposers LARPing as devout Christians, eh? You'll burn in Hell for the sin of hubris.
Actually I never said I was a Christian. But you believing in Hell suggests you are and even if you're not, it implies you follow one of the Abrahamic faiths which means you, sir, are a hypocrite for liking Viziepop. I am smarter than you, you lose, no upvotes.
>tips fedora
I never said I liked Vivziepop
I just don't like you either
>Fear your creation
Source?
Tower of Babel?
God didn't act out of fear for himself there, but rather concern for mankind becoming conceited.
Specifically?
spy kids
Book of Kings
I think God just wanted to see what would happen if the animals knew too much. Turns out the really tall monkeys with big brains probably shouldn't have forbidden knowledge. Makes them tell many lies, and do very naughty things.
He doesn’t care the knowledge. He is testing if his direct children will love him.
>Fear your creation
lol, lmao, the moronic arrogance
I dont know.
So he could then rip out his rib and frick it.
He didn't, in the hellaverse the angels created him
because god is a man. duh
Anything that pisses you off maked me hard, Black.
Shit pisses me off. You gonna smear your face in shit now?
And spit it into your mouth.
>the Wish guy
Your entire comment is either bait or you are a literal shill or both.
>All of them are sweet based bois who did nuffin wrong according to this place
Name one thing each of those characters did wrong. You cannot.
Uh uhhh (insert objectively evil thing the writer made the right wing character do so now you have to hate them)
Adam and lute have Vaggie moment i suppose, like, they could have warned her at least once
Has anyone noticed how robotic they move and act during the extermination?
no
basically exactly this.
my solution to this: we need to bring back camp gay villains.
>Ironwood
Thanks for reminding me how badly they destroyed his character in volume 8
>since it's largely agreed that his solutions were the right choices
People who defend Ironwood to the last breath are the ones who really wanted him to be a tough Ultraman-like tragic daddy hero who makes tough decisions but is ultimately in the right.
They then get very surprised and very mad when the show doesn't treat the guy who was going to get the rest of humanity killed just so his city can live as a hero, for whatever reason.
Some people like when actual logic and reasoning is used. Morally wrong, but right means a choice is given and stakes are raised and mean something in a story. Rwby is written by dumbasses who have no buisness being where they are. And guess what, their final appearance might be a stupid justice league cross over that rooster teeth paid a frick ton of money to do.
A generalization on why some people like a character because they go against le progressive isn't right you obtuse moron.
>Some people like when actual logic and reasoning is used. Morally wrong, but right means a choice is given and stakes are raised and mean something in a story. Rwby
There is no logic or reasoning in the defense of Ironwood, just pure fanboyism. Have you ever considered how you look from the outside? You are unironically arguing that abandoning the rest of humanity to be killed by Salem is the right thing to do. You are unironically arguing that "sacrificing innocent people is wrong" is a bad moral. Because you like Ironwood as a character and will argue for whatever he does. Fanboyism.
Have you seen the rest of the world? You can't blame him for taking that stance since ruby and her team of teenagers with attitude have been super incompetent while Salem has all the chips in her favor. Each volume was one frick up after another. Ironwood was willing to make that though choice while everyone preached while the world is buring around them. You can't defend shitting writing as
>you just are an ironwood fancy
Because in reality you have no argument to show that team rwby was right when they have a ton of issues just gets wept under the rug.
Team RWBY are right because they are trying to save innocent people. Ironwood is wrong because he's trying to sacrifice innocent people. That's the gist of the conflict. The rest are mental gymnastics to justify why ackshually sacrificing innocents is a good thing.
>moronic stance justified by moronic reasoning
This is the perfect post. wienerbite closing will be the greatest thing ever.
Now you know how Vivziepop when she justifies killing humanity’s grandpa Adam.
>u-ur moron!
Sacrificing innocent people is wrong. I accept your concession.
The others ignoring Ruby's struggle could be a valid point, but you reveal your true intentions by only blaming the evil lesbians for it when everyone was doing that.
>sacrificing innocent people is wrong
>conflict can exist without sacrifice
I suppose Hunters are no longer innocent? They're committed the sin of self-reliance of autonomy?
Every choice in a conflict requires sacrifice even if it's opportunity cost. War is the greatest trolley problem ever devised. Ironwood was actually making smart long-term decisions.
See, here are the mental gymnastics I was talking about. "Um ackshually you're always sacrificing SOMETHING so sacrificing innocent people isn't wrong" is a false equivalence if I ever heard any. And sure, getting the majority of humanity wiped out is "smart" because your husbando does it.
Whose survival and victory? Not the 3/4ths of humanity outside Atlas. Sacrificing innocent people is wrong, fanboy.
>is a false equivalence
In what sense? RWBY actively antagonised and sabotaged Atlas. They sacrificed James like the treacherous hypocritical c**ts they are.
>lying is mean Oz frick off back to a sub-conscious state
>lying to Ironwood? Yeah of course. We're only here to steal his shit
Do you seriously need explaining why sacrificing some vague shit like "an opportunity" is not the same as sacrificing a life?
And then there's the Ironwood fanboys' favorite way to embarrass themselves and show their media illiteracy. You will see them cry at every opportunity that RWBY are hypocrites for keeping secrets from Ironwood, but none of them will ever mention that this is because Ironwood himself is keeping secrets from the populace. But it's okay when he does that, right? That's the number one rule of arguing with a fanboy: "it's okay when my favorite character does it". He can't trust the populace, there can be malicious agents there, right? But RWBY are supposed to trust him unconditionally. He's clearly not a malicious agent because... because he just is, okay?
Anon started using CAPS LOCK. He's getting really OFFENDED at this atrocious, heinous moral that they had the audacity to put in the show. The sheer GALL of the heroes for daring to sabotage an attempt to abandon a bunch of people to their death. Clearly the show should have had a bunch of teenagers learn that sacrificing people is GOOD and you shouldn't attempt fighting back. That having power gives you the right to arbitrarily decide who lives or dies without even trying to protect them.
To answer your question, it's obviously the more moral of the two options. With V9 in mind, it's not treated as unambiguous either. The risk is acknowledged, but it's still considered the better option because it doesn't involve killing people right off the bat.
Are you arguing that SABOTAGING an attempt to preserve at least some people in the face of a seemingly unstoppable threat is unambiguously moral? It's not like Ironwood wanted to nuke the planet on his way out.
The lesbians were doing the most damaging annoying and hadn't suffered nearly as much as Jaune, so I feel it's only fair to apportion the bulk of the blame to them. Also you are watching RWBY in current year, you are what Homestuck fans used to be before even they gave up on their own series.
Okay but what part of the conflict justifies Yang ignoring her visibly suicidal sister to make out with Blake?
Don't engage with contemporary Rwby fans. They are actually mentally ill.
Adam is definitely a loud dumbass, but he is funny, as a ton of screen presence, has a great dynamic with Lute and has a great singing voice. Plus he is a great candidate to test if Charlie is actually serious about everybody being deserving of another chance. Since this time, it is personal. She has to forgive somebody who actually did her harm. Adam is a great antagonist to test Charlie's worldview.
You forgot Simon
For me I just want to frick him
Lute please.
I want him really bad...
Niffty please stop.
I want to rape him
Calm down Niffty
Angels are made for demonic RAPE
>they hated him for speaking the truth
Belos and Ironwood at least made valid points given the settings they are in. It is weird how we don't see Jesus or Cain and Abel as contrasts of what people in Heaven (eternally living and filled with regret in Cain's case) are the decent ones to Adam being a tosser. Why is it vampire Bloodlines did such a better job at tackling this concept with Cain being tormented with watching his descendants tear each other apart for eternity and can't do a thing to stop them?
Well I agree that there are no doubt contrarian chuds flocking to him.
But I just think his duets with Lute are too fire to kill him off.
>unironically saying "chuds"
You can't possibly expect anyone to take you seriously for using such a moronic term
>unironically using unironically
>moronicly using moronic
>You can't possibly expect anyone to take you seriously
Well duuh
This is a real fricking post on Cinemaphile. Holy frick tumblr is here to stay. The fact you posted ironwood is laughable since it's largely agreed that his solutions were the right choices and was written to be wrong just to give team ruby the right to stop him. Your post is everything wrong about people liking certain characters that don't mesh with your leanings.
hes right anon, unchap your ass
lucifer is fallen and he still has his wings. although i guess the colour scheme might have been later.
Anon Cinemaphile has been a tumblr colony for over a decade and has only gotten worse with each passing year, this has been unironically the worst board for ages now I'm not sure why you're surprised, it's at least 70% dipshit teens.
im an unironic tumblr lefty troony that Cinemaphile likes to boogeyman and honestly i found adam hilarious and immediately likeable. its not that deep, i thought chaz from helluva boss was also really funny. hes just a goofy guy. i absolutely think lute should peg him though
>spoiler
I'm grateful this meme is percolating
Ironwood literally did nothing wrong you fricking sub-human. In-universe he was the best chance at survival and victory.
>but r00bs plot armour
Don't care. She literally gets saved by multiple deus ex at multiple occasions to make the Atlas plot work.
No, that's a bonus
Alot of the listed antagonists, including Adam, are just good, and found to be entertaining even by our ideological opposites
Also Adam did nothing wrong
Maybe it’s because hyper liberal progressivism (ironically represented by hell in this case, kek) is inherently evil in reality and so people more closely align with the character the corrupt writers made into an obnoxious douchebag because he is at least on the side of what’s good in reality.
Also he’s fricking Adam, the primordial human. You can’t just make a religious reference and not expect people to gravitate towards biases inherent in the religious material itself.
Hazbin Adam loves killing his own descendants, readily mutilates his soldiers for tiny slipups and displays about every deadly sin in heaven
LOL at people thinking he's a bastion of some right politics, he's a better character when not projected agendas on
I find it baffling people are still quibbling over biblical accuracy when the entire premise of the show is that the fricking Antichrist is a sweetie pie. Hazbin Hotel is less biblically accurate than Neon Genesis Evangelion or SMT. This thread must be full of newbies, because it was obvious to me from the pilot that this entire show is
>babby's first subverted expectations
>Hazbin Adam loves killing his own descendants,
The shitty dissapointments with dark corrupted souls
>readily mutilates his soldiers
there is only one instance of that, and it was done by Lute, not him.
Being sympathetic to sinners is clearly not allowed, even seraph like Emily is threathened by falling, so it was a lawful act he has no reason to do anything about.
> displays about every deadly sin
aside from pride(and is it really pride to think you are cool when god himself said so?) and mild lust i see none
people are reaching hard, like "oh. we see him EATING once, it's clearly gluttony"
>The shitty dissapointments with dark corrupted souls
Normal people usually don't want to brutally kill their descendant for being a thief and the like in the name of entertainment
>and it was done by Lute
so he makes someone do the dirty work for him while smirking unapologetically at the scene
>(and is it really pride to think you are cool when god himself said so
Yes?
>"oh. we see him EATING once, it's clearly gluttony"
He's a fat fuc-- I-i mean he's plus size
People point to Adam’s lust as if that’s a trait of pure evil when Adam literally lost Eve and had no actual romantic partners since then.
Why did Adam lose Eve?
She probably turned into a demon
Because the apple literally turned Eve into a vessel of pure evil.
This character is named Roo(Root of all evil) is probably her
>All humans are actually hybrids of Adam and some kind of primordial manifestation of pure evil
>This is why human souls can turn into demons at all
...huh.
>Roo(Root of all evil)
Plausible but still headcanon.
So Adam's ex turned his wife into a monster by corrupting her, and now he kills those who succumbed to the same corrpution in hell (that's essentially ruled by his evil ex), to protect pure heavens and his good decendents residing there from evil?
Adam is a hero in this story, not a villain
Not really. But it does add a bit of sweetness to the pot sticking it to modern progressive hypocrite liberals. One of these days we'll actually get a hard left villain and on that day Cinemaphile will likely rejoice.
Making every antagonist some sort of sad sack or ultra conservative just gets incredibly dull, remarkably quick.
Ironwood actually did nothing wrong and was betrayed and lied to by his own allies and still turned out to be a hero. He just became a crazy villain because writing designated it as necessary
>opposing the progressive liberal protagonist
They’re fricking demons in hell.
Ken was Kenough
Actually if there's a part of a fanbase who only likes a specific character and hates everybody else, killing that character is the reasonable thing to do so that only people who actually like your work for what you intended remain in your fanbase. Hence why Adam and Pentious will be going at the end of S1. It was smart of Vivzie to be able to predict they'd be mostly liked by people who hate her other characters.
Until Satan shows up
No one likes homosexuals and cannibals.
Hope she kills Loona.
>Hope Vivzie kills herself
Ftfy *sip*
Millie > Loona
who's millie?
https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Millie
>MIDllie
Nope
No proof he dies
I'd let Adam pump and dump me
They won't kill him.
He'll get slapped down by his ex though.
>He'll get slapped down by his ex though
Which one? Crearly, he's fricking around, so Eve is another ex.
Yeah, you really summed up Netflix's Luke Cage perfectly.
>have perfect villain
But homosexual, Adam is the true protagonist!
He is such a chonky HUNK.
He will have half of hell drooling all over him when they see him without robe...
He's quite popular there with the demons.
you idiot he has been wearing a helmet this whole time.
any real proof CHADAM dies? I love him, I want to see him go to the hotel and redeem himself
Same.
Then we must lobby for his return when he buys the farm.
The director has the writing skills of a toddler, so don't be surprised when they get rid of him to make room for more boring Angel Dust angst and Charlie being a useless moron
She made Adam depressed over the sinners. So maybe not.
Him not getting redeemed would be a waste
An angel higher-up signing up for the redemption hotel in hell would be comedic (Vaggie doesn't coint)
What if Lute needs to be redeemed instead.
A redemption arc for Lute would be about her being this poor girl misguided by her boss, aka Vaggie 2.0
The hotel needs someone closer to the level of Alastor's crimes
I think it happens because Adam, after losing his utter hopelessness in the sinners, realizes that he corrupted Lute with a sadistic love for death and violence. Thus, he takes away Lute’s holo.
So he’s back to his super sour mood, never gloating at all about exterminating the sinners anymore, and we see his backstories with Eve and Lute.
SIRS DO NOT REDEEM THE ANGELS
SIRS DO NOT REDEEM THEM BLOODY BASTARDS
If Viv is smart, they'll "kill" him, and he gets sent down to Hell.
>Uhhh, where the hell am I?
>That's right buddy, you're in Hell!
>Oh GOD-FRICKING-DAMMIT!
>*lightning crackles in the distance*
>sorry God...
I think Adam would be conflicted about hell. Sure lots of sinful fun, but he'd miss Lute.
Don't be silly.
Viv's never going to directly acknowledge the existence of God.
If Adam dies and Lute mourns him, and it's played for sympathy and not a joke, that would tell me Vivzie learned something from the Stella fiasco. It'll tell me that even frickheads like those two who are written to be as annoyingly evil as possible can have heartfelt moments.
>If Adam dies
*if*
adam is viv's favourite character, if he dies, it will be a false flag
I find it likely that Adam’s story is about moving on from Eve and his guilt of failing her and their children. Since he was introduced in this way by Viv.
>I find it likely that Adam’s story is about moving on from Eve and his guilt of failing her and their children.
we need a backstory episode of him and the exorcists because we will have more of him
Does Logo work on the show?
if the bio holds validity
Adam represents so much of the sins of humanity, way more than the entire hell, that you can call him the devourer of sins. people love him because he has a personality without having to check the obligatory checkboxes
also belos had style and king magnifico had to be written at the last minute as a villain because the rest of him screams ancient hero
>Adam represents so much of the sins of humanity, way more than the entire hell, that you can call him the devourer of sins.
Not really. Adam only truly suffers from lust and wrath, but to a much much milder extent than Valentino. Overall, he’s a stupidly cynical depressed train wreck of a person that constantly sees nothing but the absolute worse from hell that he allowed to be born into this world and-
>Logo makes Adam and Lute hold hands
Lingering for a girl that truly reaches his heart, like Eve did…
This is actually stupidly depressing. I do not see them killing off Adam at all.
I dont really want to have hope about Adam not getting unceremoniously killed in the season finale. I think doomerism is probably better for the long term "enjoyment" of the show.
The problem with killing Adam is that he’s literally the father of all sinners. Who willingly stayed with Eve (the sinner) when she was corrupted by the apple.
>Overall, he’s a stupidly cynical depressed train wreck of a person that constantly sees nothing but the absolute worse from hell that he allowed to be born into this world and-
Amusingly one anon mentioned if the show was well written then Adam's exterior is actually a mask for his brokenness regarding all of his descendants being tainted by the apple Eve bit into and possibly the loss of Eve as a result. The psychopathic fratbro persona is his way of coping with what has happened to existence the past eon.
>Lingering for a girl that truly reaches his heart, like Eve did…
>This is actually stupidly depressing. I do not see them killing off Adam at all.
Vivzie will kill him off and the things you consider sympathetic won't matter to her at all. You wanna know why?
Well, consider: whenever a show airs focusing on some woman's personal issues like periods or bad breakups or whatever, the general reaction on Cinemaphile is "who the frick cares, women are stupid and the world bends to their whims anyway, they don't have REAL problems, now our problems on the other hand..." Bitter men can't emphasize with a struggle unique to a woman.
Similarly, bitter women, like Vivzie, can't emphasize with a struggle unique to a man. To her, Adam's depression doesn't mean anything, she'd probably say something like "who the frick cares, you cis guys run everything in the world anyway, you don' have REAL problems, now our problems on the other hand..."
I don’t think her lead animator would act like this if Adam gets heartlessly killed off.
could be secretly trolling
the only proof adam is depressed is one easy to miss shot of him looking sad. maybe he is sad but he's just really good at rationalising away the murders, doesn't make him depressed.
lucifer on the other hand literally admits to being depressed and it's not subtle.
>the only proof adam is depressed is one easy to miss shot of him looking sad. maybe he is sad but he's just really good at rationalising away the murders, doesn't make him depressed.
Why would Adam be slamming himself on piles of random boxes if he’s supposedly completely fine?
>failing her and their children
Eve made her choice and should live with the consequences of said choice. Accountability should not be alien to her. So did Cain.
Adam did not fail either as much as they failed themselves. At worst, said emotions are a lie.
Pretty sure her favorite is like Alastor or some shit.
You can have a favorite character who dies. Wakfu villains peaked at S1 with a dude who dies the only season he’s in.
>Vivzie
>learning
fricking hell this show sure is good at cultivating copium
She already made Huskerdust better than Stolitz
If Adam dies I hope they just end the extermination plotline with him
>t.seething sinner
REPENT, in this house we love Adam!
Repent for what? Not wanting the Extermination plotline to go on without him
So you aren't waiting for him to die right? sorry, those leaks are really getting on my nerves...
I think my stance on his death boils down to the fact that the show is gonna be less fun without him but there is also no way in hell Vivzie was gonna redeem him while maintaining what makes him fun to watch to begin with.
He's no fun if he doesn't remain brazen and in your face.
He doesn't really need to do a complete personality change in order to be redeemed, i think he can grow up as a person and still retain some of his sassy self (if he doesn't truly die of course)
He can be a good loud dumbass instead of a bad loud dumbass
Considering he seems intent on genociding all of Hell whether Hell gives him permission or not, he kind of has to die unless something *really* gets through to him in a dramatic moment. And if that happens, there's no way it's not Lute who dies instead. BOTH of them having a change of heart is way too saccharine.
Well, the show is founded on the saccharine notion that everyone deserves as many chances as they need in order to get redemption.
What will stop Adam from going out on the sinners is love.
We know Lute isn't going to die, they've apparently got plans for her in season 2. Honestly I get it, I don't want Adam to die either he's one of the more entertaining parts of the show, but it really looks like any attempt to say he'll survive is just copium.
>but it really looks like any attempt to say he'll survive is just copium.
You have to be on copium to think your show’s premise doesn’t fall apart when you off the literal father of humanity.
Mate I want him to survive but I'm saying it won't happen. Viv isn't a good enough writer to do it, and it's not like she's got much respect for Christianity or anything either.
Except I don’t see Nifty being able to kill Adam or allowed to when Lucifer is there. If it was an overlord, then no one would care.
Adam feels like a character Vivziepop completely simps for. He’s literally a “sexist” that clings on to Lute so much and constantly depending on her for help and assistance without realizing it or berating her. He’s in love with her, but too blinded by his lusts and post-Eve depression to realize it.
Adam by the start, by Charlie’s very mouth, is very messed in the mind because of his absurdly horrible life experiences and background. With him showing struggles of pulling himself together there and then (almost breaking down in tears talking about being around hell and the sinners). And showing similar bad sex addictions as Angel Dust from sleeping around with multiple women.
>He’s in love with her, but too blinded by his lusts and post-Eve depression to realize it.
actually, it's lute who might be lovesick for adam, enough to throw her sisters under the bus to always be his number #1
you dont get it, anon
>pride
lucifer is a depressed manlet, humbled because he failed
adam is quite tall and full of himself
>gluttony
beelzebub wants moderation from the people around her
adam is a FAT FRICKING BASTARD
>lust
asmodeus is in a serious relationship
adam allegedly fricks around
>wrath
no info on satan yet but the imps there are way too pacific for such ring
every time he vists hell, he takes something cursed from them
>actually, it's lute who might be lovesick for adam, enough to throw her sisters under the bus to always be his number #1
forgot to add: while adam is too blind to see how his chemistry with her goes beyond friendship
>adam is quite tall and full of himself
No. He doesn’t think he deserves heaven. Nor does he go against heavenly authority so badly, he caused their most prized creations (mankind) to become totally evil.
>beelzebub wants moderation from the people around her
Adam is literally a skinny dude wearing a robe. Bub is a literal b***h that constantly get people drugged, drunked, and overstuffed. He promotes none of this to anyone.
>asmodeus is in a serious relationship
>adam allegedly fricks around
Adam lost the love of his life and never recovered from it. So he sleeps around with other women and never feels fulfilled. Ozzie literally pushes porn and sex toys all over hell and would’ve tossed prostitutes and hookers on Adam’s sad existence if he had a chance.
>almost breaking down in tears talking about being around hell and the sinners
When exactly did this happen?
Episode 1. It happens super quickly, so you wouldn’t really notice it unless you rewatch Adam’s first scene in the show.
When, during the song?
Before.
That was disgust.
I went and looked up the scene
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It's about 12:28 when he descends into some kind of nervous laughter people treat as crying.
While it is true that laugh doesnt really fit his dudebro persona and may hint at hidden complexity, its such a minute detail that I think it is much more prudent to interpret him just being disgusted by hell in a very superficial way.
I was gonna post the same thing earlier. But maybe my hamster isn't running as fast it needs to be to think that it's anything but disgust towards hell in general.
If I lived in a calm and peaceful place then had to think of the hourly debauchery of rape, murder, cannibalism, and non stop orgies I'd be grossed out too.
Ignore him/her lol he keeps yapping about his headcanon
Post some smug Adam screenshots.
Whaaaaaaaat uuup, baby!
>two best characters in the show both get killed by the end of the first season while vaggie lives
we live in a cruel and hopeless universe
>the moment I give this show a chance after watching Pentious and Cherri's episode is the moment I find out he's going to die
Can't have nice things
How do we know the leaks are true?
I want to believe they aren't. Apprently they got some details right IIRC.
There's a super small chance Vaggie will one day be less shit. So keep on looking at that silver lining
did episodes 7 and 8 leak if so where at
Adam’s wings are very sensitive
Why is Adam leading the extermination?
Wouldn't it be Gabriel? He's the spooky angel of death.
Besides Gabriel not being established, it's because it was specifically Adam's idea and it is otherwise a secret from the other Angels.
Also Gabriel's domain would be the death of humans, not the second-death of souls in Hell.
Not to mention, having Gabriel or Michael lead the extermination is quite possibly the laziest and most boring way you could use them.
It was Adam's idea. He holds a grudge against humanity.
Uriel makes the most sense, honestly.
>He "stands at the Gate of Eden with a fiery sword", or as the angel "who is over the world and over Tartarus.
>In the Apocalypse of Peter, he appears as the angel of repentance, who is graphically represented as being as pitiless as any demon.
>In the Life of Adam and Eve, Uriel is regarded as the spirit (i.e., one of the cherubs) of the third chapter of Genesis.
>He also holds the key to the Pit during the End Times
>In modern angelology, Uriel is identified variously as a seraph, cherub
>presider over Tartarus (hell), archangel of salvation
vivzie should purposefully make a character that's voiced by pshycicpebbles normally doing his best gremlin voice and then as soon as he has to sing she immediately gets the best singer in the world with zero distinction between the two
I think there's a reason Zach only did additional voices in Helluva, he feels like he's not gonna be interested in any role that requires him to partake in the melodramatic scenes
But Zach already does those kind of scenes.
Zach needs to voice Satan to contrast with Cusack’s Mammon
zach being typecast as the actual devil would be the funniest thing
Adam my beloved, you should love me, not Lilith or Eve!
Is there fan art of the following?
Adam plowing Sera
Adam molesting Emily
Adam enslaving Charlie, Vaggie, and Nifty
Not for the moment (It's just a matter of time)
1. punch angels until they stop moving
2. ????
3. no more exterminations
Kind of wish we had a Tanjiro protagonist alongside Blitzo, some newbie with a decent heart cast into Hell for minor reasons but grows into a formidable ally of IMP but contrasts Blitzo being an alleged alpha male of impkind.
Adam is going to die but if he lives he will 100% fall and be sent to hell. the latter would be funnier
Lucifer is already there and Adam is way too broken for the setting. Beyond Alastor level.
The cast for hotel is already super huge.
No one is going to be allowed to be beyond Alastor level, anon.
That said I agree I doubt we'll get lucky enough to have him show up after he's killed.
Adam is more interesting as a character than anybody at the hotel except for maybe AD.
Have him kill Vaggie in the finale and then be stranded in hell with Lute and see if Charlie actually stays true to her ideology despite how much he hurt her.
It's possible both happen. He is a human soul after all. Unless he's specifically killed with angelic weaponry, he can probably come back.
>dude what if annoying cringeworthy manchild
>perfect villain
I swear, it's like everybody forgot how to make actual cool villains.
>Adam is defeated and captured
>"W-what are you shitbats going to do? You wouldn't kill the original dick, would you?
>"Please, Mr. Adam, sir, this is hell!"
>The cast of Hazbin proceeds to use Adam for a sex slave, where he has to eat cum out of Angel's holes and have Nifty crush his balls and give Charlie a rimjob
Do it, Vivzie
Do they make Lute watch?
>"I-I'm sorry, sir"
Lute says as they force her to take a dump in his mouth
ENOUGH
I'm positively dreading his death and I'm already coping. It just won't be the same after.
It's funny how deep Cinemaphile gets stuck in their own headcanon
WHERES THE EPISODE LEAK ANON
Rewatching 1 and 5 made me think Char really didn't try to listen or learn from Adam and Luci. She kind of just hoped and forced her ideals onto everyone and based her beliefs off a fairytale book she had as a child.
She's basically Bateman asking Why not you stupid bastard, to everyone.
Her royal genes showing through
What else does she keep in there?
Two more days until Adam dies
He's the worst offender of cursing overkill in the show.
Wait are they going to kill Adam? Did I miss something?
Some leaker a while back correctly predicted some stuff like that Vaggie was secretly an angel. He also said that Sir Pentious and an antagonist dies in a gag. The poster was vague and didn't specify which antagonist it was. Some people say it could also be Vox instead of Adam.
Vaggie being an angel is an ancient theory. Did he correctly predict anything else
NTA, but it's trusted strictly because he nailed 'exactly' how the show would go about revealing Vaggie is an angel and also details about Pentious simping for Cherri Bomb before the episodes even came out.
I'd say based on the fact they got Pentious lusting for Cherri Bomb right, it's at least 80% gonna happen but due to the leaker's vagueness could leave room for stuff like they 'die' but come back later in some shape or form.
>Some people say it could also be Vox instead of Adam.
Definitely not Vox, the Vees will have a greater focus in S2
He's pretty clearly painted as an butthole antagonist so that seems to be the direction they're going. A supposed leaker suggested as much.
That said, he's an angel, if they really want to keep him around they could probably make him respawn as a demon or something as punishment.
Their just perfect together...
It's dead. Gayness reigns supreme.
the only thing gay here is the red sawdust in my ass
VIVZIE SAID SHE WAS ===BI===-SEXUAL!
IT'S NOT OVER YET VAGGIE!
vivzie also said alastor is a volcel so it's turbo over. vaggie needs to fear emily more
but they're already dead
That’s not Valentino
Most of you guys are newbies frick you all I hate y- NAY I resent you lot because you have all taken the place of my former fellow posters. Only I remain with nothing but my memories of a time now gone.
When the frick are the new episodes. I'm fiending.
I want to come inside Alastor
>Mammon
😐
>Adam
😮
So... why havent we seen the Archangels yet? Do they exist on an even higher level than Sera?
Adam is an Archangel so probably not
>archangel
I fricking hate the mish mash of ranks and shiet.
Sera is literally right there on the left.
Whatever we call them we can confirm that tri-winged angels are the top tier of divinity.
If Viv is calling them archangels then fine. Luci is still one of them and that mogs adam - so adamgay can cope about golden wings forever.
I assume it’s because Adam is secretly far more powerful than them, despite being lower than them role-wise.
In Adam’s song, his golden angels go behind his back to make him look like he has eight golden wings instead of six.
So Adam’s true power level is a big nasty surprise for the audience that didn’t take him seriously, which they wouldn’t do if a seraphim was the lead exorcist instead of Adam.
>secretly
I mean
Adam doesn't seem like one for subtlety
thats a huge reach. Also it wouldnt even make sense for Adam to be that high in the heaven power rankings.
And there's already a power imbalance to the point that demons killing one exorcist is a huge deal, Adam being extra-powerful on top wouldn't really add anything to the narrative.
Because Lucifer is about to join the fight against the Exterminators.
So we are very nearly guaranteed to see Adam and him fight in the finale.
>fighting your eskimo brother
Adam and Lucifer have no honor at all
>Because Lucifer is about to join the fight against the Exterminators.
You say this why?
Because they are going to attack his dauther, duh.
Even if they are going to honor the old deal about leaving hellborn alone and just fly past her to kill her friends he still cares enough about Charlie to save her from the pain of loss
Leaks says he shows up in the finale with cool shapeshifting powers
He's gonna turn into a dragon isn't he?
>he's back on the golden wing grind
Kek. Sadly there are times where the poster is a dud.
In angelic hierarchies where Seraphim appear, they are always higher-ranked than Archangels, sometimes greatly so.
Though when he is categorized, Lucifer is usually considered on the same tier as Michael et al. So in this show, Michael might simply be considered one of those, if they use him at all.
Remember that mankind was designed to be higher than the angels, including the Seraphim, which is something that is very important to take note of. Because Viv is actually leaning into that direction, Adam and Eve are far scarier in this universe’s power scaling.
Why is this better then the originally scene?
Because the level of Hazbin's writing is such that a 10 year old is smarter than nearly all of the characters seen onscreen.
Why would anyone believe her?
It only happened because Adam let that slip, but if it had been Charlie accusing them it wouldn't have worked.
Source for this art?
The artist put her signature in both panels.
Adam has got to be the stupidest person on Heaven for being in charge of keeping the Exterminations a secret only then to expose it anyways and not even think about the consequences.
I'm going to sit here and laugh at you frickers when there is NO secret sob story for Adam, NO payoff for why he is the way he is, and when Charlie tries to redeem him he laughs in her face and declares that literally nothing bad has ever happened to him since Eden.
He never needed a sob story, nor did anyone ask for it exept for literally one shizo
If nothing bad happened to Adam why did he lose Eve and saw his children tear themselves apart?
I said "since Eden"
In hindsight Adam is very, very lucky that Lucifer is depressed, Lilith is MIA and Charlie is an ultra pacifist. Because if just one of Hell's royalty gave a shit enough to fight back against the angels-or hell, "merely" just hide them in a pocket dimension like the ones they casually generate during their musical numbers, the exterminations would be a lot harder.
...actually shit, why DOESN'T Charlie have a side gig where she just makes pocket dimension boltholes for demons to hide in every extermination?
Both Lucifer and Adam are depressed and they both view sinners the same way and made this arrangement.
Adam is basically the “second ruler” of the pride ring.
>Adam is basically the “second ruler” of the pride ring.
Governor-General of hell
sounds cool tbh
Adam sure is smiling and laughing a lot for a depressed person
maybe
just maybe
The standard of writing quality for Helluva Boss suggests that what we see is what we get, instead of some theory about the character with literally nothing to support it
just saying
Adam is a Robin Williams situation, except he literally wears a mask 24/7, in public.
Not to mention, Alastor is his son and he always smiles when he’s at his lowest.
>Adam is (headcanon because muh sexy angel daddy clearly has the fee-fees I have for him)
Believe what you want, just don't be disappointed by the payoff like all the Helluva Boss viewers were.
I get that in abstract, I just don't understand why you'd apply that to HAZBIN HOTEL which from the fricking pilot screamed that it didn't remotely have anything intelligent to say.
>literally nothing bad has ever happened to him since Eden.
I thought he had to eat bread in the sweat of his brow.
You're making a lot of assumptions about the Vivzieverse's biblical accuracy that I am STILL FRICKING BAFFLED by now people are still assuming the show is taking seriously instead of being less accurate than Fate/Stay Night is to Arthurian mythology
Because that's not biblical accuracy, that's basic pop culture. Lucifer is the boss of hell, was thrown out of heaven, and gave the fruit of knowledge to Adam and Eve, so why would anyone assume Adam didn't eat the fruit and get thrown out of the garden unless we're told differently?
Because it's clear there is something really different with Adam and Eve this time
I think him not eating the apple is the reason Adam is in heaven and Eve is god knows there
>that's basic pop culture
good thing the show spent the first 2 minutes explaining its premise so that you'd know how it differs from typical pop culture depictions then huh
You mean where it specifically explained that >Lucifer is the boss of hell, was thrown out of heaven, and gave the fruit of knowledge to Adam and Eve
?
Adam is never mentioned in the introduction if i remember correctly
He's in the introduction, just not seen receiving the Fruit of Knowledge. He's seen being created, not hitting it off with Lilith, and then only mentioned as being married to Eve.
No, dumbass, where it's explicitly explained that they gave the fruit of knowledge to Eve and specifically do NOT say that Adam took it.
>specifically do NOT say that Adam took it.
So? Adam takes a bite later, even in the real Genesis.
OK so you're just gonna repeatedly stick to the
>it's not sticking to plot points i invented for it therefore it's bad
line of argumentation, are you then
>it's not sticking to plot points i invented for it therefore it's bad
Nobody in that reply chain said this. Don't just make up imaginary people.
>Adam takes a bite later
The show doesn't say he did. You (or the other anon) invented it because that's what happens in other versions of the story. But not this one; the show's text only says Eve did so. Thus, getting mad at Adam's story not matching the one seen in Genesis is making up plot points to be mad at.
Adam notably says "I've never made a mistake in my frickin' life". You'd think that getting thrown out of the Garden would be a rather big one if it happened that way, no?
>Thus, getting mad at my headcanon not matching the one seen in Genesis is making up plot points to be mad at.
Disagree. Also I'm not mad I'm disappointed.
>my headcanon
I've literally quoted the show.
>I'm not mad
uh huh
They "specifically did not say" a great many things but that doesn't make them conspicuous by their absence. If you mean that because they told half the story and left the rest unspoken it's unreasonable to assume the second half matches the first, I disagree.
No, I'm saying it's unreasonable to assume a plot contradiction based on a detail you filled in as "unspoken".
What contradiction are we assuming?
See
>so why would anyone assume Adam didn't eat the fruit and get thrown out of the garden unless we're told differently?
This is assuming the events of Genesis happened to counter the notion this anon made here
>he laughs in her face and declares that literally nothing bad has ever happened to him since Eden.
That anon is speculating, sure, but the counter to their argument was "no, because in Genesis bad things happened to him".
You see?
Is that what he's hung up about? It's speculation to assume Adam didn't eat of the fruit. It's also speculation to assume he did, but under the circumstances I think it's a reasonable enough assumption that he's included in the original sin until that gets contradicted by the show, despite that anon taking such issue with it.
I don't know which anon is which at this point, but my point is generally that, even if a work is based on a popularly known mythology or story, you should take its premises at face value and not assume plot elements are present until they introduce them.
Put another way, try to "forget" that you know the myth it's based on, and let the work set up its own plot elements. Hazbin Hotel introduces Adam, Lilith, and Eve in its introduction, but only says that Eve received the Fruit of Knowledge. Until such time as it says Adam also took it, it's more reasonable to assume he did not.
An example of this is in Disney's Hercules; in mythology, the Titans were the previous regime / generation of gods. So when the "Titans" are freed and they're a quartet of elemental monsters (and a cyclops for some reason), my advice would be to not assume Cronus and Hyperion or whoever are also in Tartarus, since the movie doesn't include them as characters or a plot point.
>it's more reasonable to assume he did not
It's really not. Given an Eve you assume an Adam. Given Heracles you assume he'll have great strength. These stories are used precisely because they're well known and set certain expectations which will either be confirmed or subverted. If you "forget" the myth it's based on, most of Hazbin's dressing and worldbuilding becomes nonsensical, because we're expected to know in advance roughly what angels and demons and heaven and hell are. A person raised in the western world, upon hearing half the story of the fall of man, provisionally filling in the rest is not behaving unreasonably. It may not be borne out by the story, but insisting that they wipe their mind of everything they know about the presented setting IS being unreasonable.
You don't have to assume an Adam because the introduction includes Adam. You don't have to assume Heracles's strength because that movie shows precisely why he has it.
You might also assume, given Heracles, that Hera would be his greatest enemy. But watching Hercules and wondering "hey why is Hades his enemy and not Hera, that doesn't make sense", but you'd have to ignore that the work set up its own scenario that differs from the original myths.
Hazbin establishes that Eve took the Fruit, and it doesn't say Adam did so. Adam is seen in Heaven, and explicitly believes he has never made a mistake in his life. One would assume that being kicked out of Eden would qualify as a significant mistake, not to mention feeling a tremendous amount of guilt at his own failure as a father if Cain murdered Abel.
I simply think it's far more reasonable to not assume events happened that the show doesn't tell us happened, as opposed to assuming they *did* and then trying to post-hoc justify how Adam acts and believes the way he does.
>the work set up its own scenario that differs from the original myths.
Yes, which hasn't happened on this show for this question yet.
>Adam is seen in Heaven, and explicitly believes he has never made a mistake in his life.
That's a very slender thread you're dangling a rather dumb argument from. If you think Adam's line implies a major discrepancy from the original story, that's fine, but saying it's unreasonable not to assume that it's so, or to expect some parallels with the original story, is hot air.
It's like if people kept getting confused in the middle of Disney's Hercules because Hera isn't making him do the Twelve Labors.
I think that's just the nature of using any mythos so ingrained into the public conscious as a backdrop
Like, Greek Mythology and popular depictions of Hades right? I know so many Greek mythology nerds who get mad at how much Hades is portrayed as a villain.
Having that kind of backdrop also tends to just make theorizing or debating certain show intents more fun as well.
"How did Lucifer's fall look here? Will we see Michael or the other archangels? Are their other fallen angels like in Enoch?"
How did Lilith grow horns when she went to Hell? Isn't she a normal human?
homie a shitton of demons were normal humans before they went to Hell. And became demons
fricking christ I really am sharing a thread with children and 50 IQ consoomers
Lilith didn't go through the process of death and being reborn as a demon though. Her horns are props.
Has it occurred to you that merely going to Hell at all might set the process in motion?
Hell even Disney's Hercules gave more of a shit about mythological accuracy than this because at least there's a reasonable basis for why everyone acted the way they did however inaccurately, this is like getting offended by the Robot Devil in Futurama not being an actual fallen angel and just a robot
REMEMBER THAT LITERALLY NONE OF THAT LORE MATTERS, THIS IS A FUNNI JOKE SHOW ABOUT WHAT ARE BASICALLY DONUT STEEL OCS ADOPTING FANCY NAMES
Seeing this makes it clear that Adam’s horns are fake.
wienerS
First crackship is here , place your bets when Moxxie appears
>first crackship
>first
Get in line bucko
What the frick is his problem Cinemaphile
He needs correction
Needs a new girl.
He has Lute. What more does he need?
He hasn’t yet completed the mating process.
He will probably die in a similar way palpatine died, torturing someones child hard enough till the parent of the child kills him
People are really hard coping about Vivzie not being a massive hack if they're insisting a character MUST have depression with literally no evidence in the show for it.
She is a massive hack. But the debate is about whether-or-not Adam is going to be another Stolas/Angel situation. Since in the beginning, Stolas was a massively unhinged pervert, but Vivzie badly paced the reveal of his true character by doing it as early as episode 2.
In Viv’s stupid brain, she can’t add subtle clues to characters like Stolas or Adam to imply “they may act like deprived and evil perverts, but that’s not they really are”, instead, she flip flops from “bad/funny Stolas” to “good/sad Stolas”, “bad/funny Angel Dust” to “good/sad Angel Dust”, and “bad/funny Adam” to “good/sad Adam”.
Thus, she can’t do even a single second of a “good/sad Adam” without ruining the tragic twist of the character.
Uhh, guys https://onemillionmoms.com/current-campaigns/amazon-prime-airs-new-satanic-series-hazbin-hotel/
It will flop
Christgays are so delusional it’s insane
Christ is light! He will not kneel!
I spent the past 20 years of my life trying to follow god and the Bible only to be met with pain, embarrassment, and ridicule every step of the way— not to mention the delusional cognitive dissonance that start cropping up with you think about the rules too much. I really wanted to believe in a god, but I can’t find a single good reason to that isn’t entirely based on an old book with zero credibility.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated ME before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted ME, they will also persecute YOU; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
Bruh it’s not about being hated so much as I can’t rationalize the existence of this supposed all loving creator who simultaneously encourages and performs atrocities and injustice in his name, seemingly makes up shit arbitrarily, and allows countless evils and tragedies to occur for no reason on a minute by minute basis. You can spout bible quotes at me all you want, but unless god comes right out and shows me he’s real with one of those patented miracles he used to do all the time (I guess he’s just really into this whole “divine hiddeness” thing now that we have better means of communication and documentation!!) I am not interested in whatever the churches are peddling.
Anon, do you remember what the world did to Jesus Christ?
I'm not a Christian, so take from me what you will, but I've always found Abrahamic mythology to be *far* more comprehensible if you read God as a discrete individual; a deity, sure, but not omnipresent, not omnipowerful, and not flawless in personality.
That does align with what we know of his history - Yahweh was a tribal deity to the Hebrews, and he existed among many gods in Levantine/Babylonian mythology. It's notable that, for example, in the book of Elijah, the deity Baal is positioned as a rival/enemy to him and Elijah must best his priests to reassert Yahweh's power.
Stories frequently involve him changing his mind after making decisions - Abraham *negotiates him down* with regards to trying to save Sodom and Gamorrah, he might have wrestled *himself* with Isaac, and even Cain is able to successfully ask for mercy by requesting the Mark of Cain to counter-balance the Curse of Cain.
The point being, God is jealous and tempestuous in personality. He's actually sometimes *wrong* in his impulses. He mellows out by the New Testament; being rather distant to Jesus, but arguably handing off the reigns of rulership to Jesus.
Yahweh is a flawed man who WANTS what is best for all, but it really isn't in his hands to control. If you wish to follow Christianity inasmuch as it helps you live your life, consider how he essentially ends his involvement with humanity - by allowing his son, who has a far gentler temperament, to spread a message of love, forgiveness, and peace. Jesus allows God to achieve the dream he isn't fully able to achieve himself.
That’s some neat insight, and I’m by no means a jaded hat tipping atheist, in fact I enjoy reading about mythology and religious tradition from a historical standpoint quite a lot. To me I just frustrated with the bizarre state of modern Christian culture and teachings, since so many of them are constantly at odds with each other and themselves.
>a deity, sure, but not omnipresent, not omnipowerful, and not flawless in personality.
If God was entirely all of those things, he would've been able to prevent his first rebel angel from tempting Eve and subsequently Adam. Either God allowed it to happen or God is not able to see into the future.
God wants to allow his highest children to make choices.
It was Eve's choice to believe the serpent and take the apple. It was Adam's choice to take the apple from Eve despite the warning.
Allowing the rest of humanity to suffer as a result, even purging almost of humanity through a flood once, and then having to enact an entire strategy through Jesus to redeem mankind seems entirely counterproductive to what he is stated to be.
NTA but this whole process seems like drawing without an eraser, maybe the mentality behind that is the same?
It's strikingly similar to what you'd get if you syncretised an old henotheistic religion with Platonic philosophy then refused to throw away all the contradictory parts because you've filed them all under "infallible word of God".
dumbass the apple and the tree are a metaphor, Lucifer fricked the a human and their demon spawn in everyone with a holy spirit descended from the line of adam out of the garden from eden.
>in
is
Lucifer isn't the snake the though the snake is another fella I think.
In other words, if the God of Israel wasn’t real and was a imposter like the rest, the world would’ve loved you.
Whether something causes you pain, embarrassment, or ridicule, or whether you want to believe it or not, has no bearing on whether it's true. In this case it's not true, but some people are better than others at believing things for no other reason than because it brings them emotional satisfaction. You shouldn't feel bad for not being one of them; those types of beliefs, one way or another, religious or not, cause a lot of problems and suffering.
>He will not kneel!
Luke 22:41, checkmate
Religion is cringe.
The Karens are showing God’s light of wisdom! Yay!!!!!
I just signed up for the campaign
Nothing new.They did this same thing with Little Demon and pretty much any gothic series with demonic imagery
Not even giving this a (You). Like literally who cares what soccermom.com thinks?
Don't they see the 18+ tag near the synopsis, hell even each episode has the recommended age number. Watch your kids you dumb cows.
I feel like religious types are at least partially aware of this, but simply refuse to drop "animation is for kids, therefore adult content is You-Know-Who trying to Corrupt the Youth"
its 16+
South Park is right again
back in the day these people were what woketards are today
And will be again, it's just the way the political pendulum swings.
Personally I think we just need to cancel all Cancel gays then we can just carry on not giving a frick about them no matter what "side" they are on. They're definitely never on mine.
moral crusaders and simmillar shit will be a thing for as long as normalhomosexuals and dark triad are
That can be said for alot of society's problems
dumbass people don't even know its the most blatantly christian show pitching it perfect that has hit the airwaves in since who knows how long.
>most blatantly christian
Nice try.
dumbass
>muh think of children
oh frick off, it's because parents do not care and not supervise their kids is why animation became a medium solely for children for past decades. There are content ratings for a reason. If your kid goes to shop and steals something, do you blame the kid, parent, or the shop owner?
The Parent and the Kid, mostly the Parent
In today's society(mostly the moronic Americans) they'll blame the manufacturer who made the product that was stolen
Uhhh, Lucifer and Satan are separate characters in the show. Also God is mentioned in the very first episode. Charlie says "Oh my God, why?" When she sees the cannibal. Didn't she do her research?
Episode 7 trailer
>alastor waggle legs
i love him
Charlie is precious snuggled up like that
He gonna somehow blackmail Camilla to help or something
Is he going to do the thing?
I have an idea:
Lets hack into Amazon Primes server network to get access to their catalog of episodes, so we can get the 2 last episodes of hazbin hotel, the same way Axel Gembe hacked into valves network back in 2003 to get half life 2
We could do that and risk jail time or wait less than 48 hours
Just bring a gun with to have a nice day if things go south
How did Axel even hack into valves network, and what do you mean by network? Like a storage cloud?
I've already gone into incognito mode and deleted system32. Time for some epic hacking boys.
I really have no idea how, we could try getting into ViziePops twitter account by calling her phone company and asking for the password to her twitter account
Nah, I'll hack into her phone company.
Rebeltaxi is right, there are a lot of cuts
>Rebeltaxi
Is he even good anymore?
Then please explain on how it's religious.
>Is he even good anymore?
Yes, he stopped reviewing latest trends in cartoons and is just doing retrospectives on old games and shows he's interested in, and researching some obscure shit. His podcast also died, which is for the best considering how that went down.
>explain
That explain nothing.
dumbass, Lucifer's dream was to make humans with holy spirits. You are his dream that was too hard to defend because we are frick ups that constantly screw up the gift of free will and creation we got from birth of that unholy union, our original sin.
the "purges" in the show... you ever heard of the flood? you ever wonder why god did that? Why was it required is a damn good question.
Hi Dana Terrance.
Alastor is definitely not a good dad
Daily reminder, they did nothing wrong.
I want to see Lute with one of those big hats that chefs have, now. Or maybe an apron.
>Lute wears a kiss the cook apron
>Adam doesn't react(he didn't bother to read it)
>Lute runs into Emily who reads it and obliged out of the goodness in her heart
>Adam jobs to Alastor and is killed by Nifty as a comic relief gag
>Lute is sent to hell for being a genocidal maniac
tick tock Adamgays, you have 3 days
I’m fapping as fast as I can!
Tick tock? If Vivziepop uses her hackery powers to kill Adam, we are FREE at last!
Be a hack!
Be a hack!
Be a hack!
>implying
They're going to win, Hellgay. TOTAL SINNER DEATH.
>Adam is a hologram
>Char can't touch him
>just to dunk on her Adam makes his hologram physically grab her
>manifests executioners in the same room
>his unofficial girlfriend has the hots for only him
This man should be unstoppable and I want him to pound my ass
>Lute demoted into pathetic comic relief like Pent
Nightmare fuel but we know how Viv is
What if Viv confirms Adam x Lute, but Lute is forced to be the step-mom of all sinners.
Lute is going to be transformed in a furry and forced to live in a dumpster before begging for help from her archenemies
Angels don’t turn into furries.
Lute being sent to hell and Sir Pentious being sent to heaven would be *chef's kiss*
Why do I get the distinct feeling a Lute redemption arc is gonna just ruin her?
Not just making her gay but just uwu-ifying her?
Lute is designed to look like a hot grandma. Mommy role confirmed.
If Adam dies, I will draw demon anon fricking him.
This show doesn't feel like the type where characters should be permanently killed.
If they touch the Alastor, their deaths are possible.
What messages is Vivzie trying to spread?
>General of army so powerful everyone considered them invincible until the top 3 overlord somehow managed to beahead a random soldier
>Will job like a b***h because writers didn't like sunday shcool
gotta love modern entertainment industry
If he doesn't, will you feel the least bit of embarrassment or are you an "I only remember the times I'm right" kind of guy?
if the angels don't actually job or don't show up just to kill that would be kino but how likely is that?
You know why the masks are important for the angels (Adam too) to wear? Because without them, they struggle far more with the killing part of their job.
If they didn’t need them, when wouldn’t wear them.
Go back to your hole
you know what, if i'am wrong i'am gonna make a thread with this pic saying i'am a homosexual
How is her mask grinning on its own?
It's stuck on the last expression she had.
Don't ask, angel magic.
What if episodes 7 and 8 are about an extermination conspiracy where Vox and Carmine are fully in control of them via the masks. And Carmine is nearly invincible because she’s actually a fallen Angel.
So the goal stops being “defeat Adam and Lute” to instead, “turn off the exterminator masks”. Since Adam and and the exorcist are way too powerful and unyielding to surrender.
It’s going to be a mask…isn’t it?
Demons have nothing on her
i want to see her to rip some overlords to shreds
>Lute and her beloved blood stained robe
She's fricking deranged I love her
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Hmm…
>Adam, Lute, Carmine, and each Vee member could show up in three episodes in this season.
from what i've seen i think battle between extermintors and sinners will be alot like battle against viltrumite empire in invincible
One side has few strong viltrmites/angelic beings of their own, some realtively normal folk, and superpowered people, and the other is uniform millitary force of flying, near invincible, psysically powerful viltrumite/heavenly soldiers led by a chad
Except that there was only like 4 or 5 people on the side of the entirety of the Invincible team that was able to properly fight back the Viltrumites, who were definitely a very dangerous force to be reckoned
In here the Angels when the time comes, sadly they most likely will be a bunch of jobbers that will be handled more or less easily by the demons...
Well, yes, but that will be a plot hole, and an unipressive sight
what is it with bad writers and being unable to let your antagonists be powerful and itimidating?
Next season's main villains are the "Vs" and viv already made their leader job to her favorite donut steel in episode fricking two
Does lute swallow?
bites
Charlastor is stronk as ever
There's no one in the cast who would actually have a satisfying death this early in the show.
Carmine because she exploited the exterminations for money and deceived sinners into thinking they could actually fight back against angels.
They'd have to shotgun her development in the next episode because she's barely a character right now.
They only had 1 season and eight episodes. They will rush this into the ground.
She had two fricking songs.
Yeah? What do you know about Carmilla Carmine after those two songs?
That I hate her singing voice.
She’s a meanie to Alastor and must die for it.
And it’s quickly revealed that she is a fallen angel as Velvet noticed her familiarity with angels.
No, I think Velvet noticed she wasn't telling something about the angel's corpse, and she was correct because she was the one who killed her.
Look at Carmine’s skin. Does it remind you of Vaggie?
i love me some danger breasts
Ugh... and to think that this Raven copycat is how Lute is gonna be potrayed from now on...
Viv you fricking hack, i want the Lute i knew back
Delicious
It's the same Lute, we just get to see her face now
What’s the thing in Adam’s hand?
It reminds me of little Envy from FMA, but it could just be a fricked up fetus of something
Maybe it’s Lute’s fetus form.
I was gonna insult you, but then I took another look at it and noticed little thing mascara lines on its eye. Plus, if we use the theory that Adam made "his girls" then yeah they'd have to come from somewhere. Heaven was also portrayed to be technologically advanced so I could see Adam going to some scientist to grow him some tube babies.
>Wojakgay
>Thinking his insults would be worth anything at all
have a nice day.
I don't like being mean to random people online because it just puts more unnecessary negative energy into the world. I like to spread positive energy and create good vibes
So it tracks
>Read genesis 2 and 3
N-no, no thank you, that's- that's ok. You can keep your religion's fanfic lore. I'm just here to watch a cartoon musical
You appreciate what Christ created but you never appreciated him.
Oh, sorry, no. I'm a "Big Bang, universe is ~14 Billion years old, life formed by some unknown way because time + entropy = universe" believer. Sorry to tell you but your book was written by humans and has gone through multiple translations, diluting its meaning.
Here's a thought experiment to think about:
>take all religious texts and ideologies and erase their knowledge from our civilizations
>take all scientific texts and laws and erase their knowledge from our civilizations
>which one will return exactly the same?
Here's a picture of my dog
Adam is a test tube baby.
I’m the Vox-Exorcist guy and I think the the “Adam made the exorcist” theory is really really dumb.
Read genesis 2 and 3. Things get created by someone, and Adam names them.
>It's the same Lute, we just get to see her face now
Easy for you to say it, right now 98% of artists are pretty much only focused on human-looking Lute, and are starting to completely forget about the more cooler and interesting LED face one...
>Easy for you to say it
It is, because I like her character. Her being a sexy monochrome goth Raven gf is just the cherry on top
I do still like her character... just think that she was more visually interesting before...
Well now she just has more ways to express herself and for artists to express her. Yes, many of them will draw the qt3.14 monochrome goth gf, but I'm sure there will still be gems with her mask on. Especially if there's an extermination scene with her
i for one think charlie and adam should frick
Wouldn't it be technically be incest?
>Adam and Lucifer are unrelated
>Adam and Lilith/Eve are unrelated
No? Incest would be Charlie x Lucifer
Nope, by that logic Adam and Eve getting together would be incest too
>Eve
Wasn't she technically a clone.
no, shes actually one of two and a half people he isn't biologically related to
That would be such a vivziepop thing to write
He's small fry overall, deserving of a season 1 villain. Season 2 is where the Vees get the spotlight and whatever seasons are after are probably end game.
Adam is more like a big fry shoved into a small role.
He's the burger in the bun of the series.
No. Adam is the fry cook, Eve is the stove, and the sinners are the burgers.
That would make Lute the ketchup since her suit is stained with red.
Lute is the second stove that Adam hasn’t yet used.
Lute is used goods and we all know it.
Lute is goods that Adam hasn’t yet used.
Fair enough, what a loose prostitute.
Would
Her old design was so much better.
Would too, but her sister is hotter
So, is Lucifer the good guy? To fully understand the question you must understand the difference between Lucifer and Satan. Lucifer was the fallen angel who tried to overthrow God and was in turn sent to Hell. This is where he became Satan (Note: Luciferians worship the fallen angel aspect & Satanists worship the Satan aspect).
So why did Lucifer overthrow God in the first place? Well the Bible basically says that Lucifer thought he could do a better job. Now something to realize here is that Lucifer wasn't acting alone. He rebelled with the aid of 1/3 of the angels in heaven. Afterwards they were cast down with Lucifer and they supposedly evolved into demons. Anyway, you don't get the aid of 1/3 of the angels for nothing. He must have had a better reason for them to follow him, like perhaps they thought God was a tyrant and were trying to overthrow the dictator.Let's start with Genesis. He created Adam & Eve and then said you can eat anything in this garden except from the tree of knowledge. He also said "for you will surely die" (Genesis 2:17). Now right here without even looking at Lucifer yet, he deceived them. People say Lucifer is the deceiver, but God just deceived her because she does eat it and so does Adam and they both live for like 900 years.Also how can God expect them to listen to him? He created these two beings with no knowledge of right from wrong, no independence, and essentially no free will. They don't even know they're naked. So at this point they are little more than small children. And what does a small child do when you tell her/him not to touch the stove. They touch it. So when Lucifer told Eve to eat from the tree he wasn't deceiving her he was opening her eyes! Once she had the knowledge she knew the truth, so she knew she had to give it to Adam and set him free. Lucifer revealed the truth and "illuminated" their minds. For those of you who may not know, the meaning behind the word Lucifer is "illuminator" or "light-bringer".
This may sound familiar to those who know the story of Prometheus. Long story short, after people were made Zeus wanted to keep them in darkness and as ignorant slaves. Prometheus didn't agree and stole fire from Olympus to give to human kind. Thus he was dubbed the "fire-bringer". Zeus later punished him. The similarities between these stories are uncanny, but there's one thing that I find interesting. Never has anyone said Prometheus was the bad guy, but Lucifer is for some reason?
Another interesting fact from the bible is the fact that God has killed approximately 3 billion people throughout it. And that is without counting the time he flooded the world. Which if you ask me, was probably another billion at least. Lucifer has killed only 10 people; the sons and daughters of Job, and this was only because he made a bet with God and God lost. I think he had reason behind this, I think that Lucifer was trying to show Job that God would actually let Lucifer kill his family before he intervened.
Now for the Apocalypse, most people assume that it's the end of the world. That's not necessarily true. The book of Revelations is the book that describes the end of days. Now, the word "Revelations" literally means "to reveal something". "Apocalypse" when literally translated from Greek means a "revelation of knowledge". So we have "to reveal something" & a "revelation of knowledge". I don't know about you but that looks a lot like "the truth will come out".
Lucifer just sits by for now and literally punishes those who deserve it. He does it because he's the hero Earth deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll condemn him, because he can take it. Because he's not the hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Dark Knight.
>Another interesting fact from the bible is the fact that God has killed approximately 3 billion people throughout it.
God: Those are baby numbers.
If he is wearing a mask I think it's because he has the face of god since he was made in his image and only the most elite angels are allowed to see god
>If he is wearing a mask
He definitely is. His costume is meant to represent his edgy rocker persona. He's secretly a bishoujo anime man.
Sex with Adam!
Messy mind-breaking sex with Adam!
What fanart of Adam do you guys want to see?
Him kissing Vaggie and making Charlie and Lute jelous?
God telling Adam he is the best
Sadfic “lost muh Eve” pics.
I haven't seen the show, is Vaggie confirmed to be a renegade angel?
Yep, Viv ended up making the theory real
>When Vaggie rebelled against the extermination, she lost her left eye.
>Vox’s left eye brainwashes people.
So, is that a symbol of Vaggie escaping from an unknown influence l?
i fricking hate you
If I’m right, you will have to kneel with Adam x Lute art.
Get a life you spaz.
You've been in practically *every* Hazbin thread this past week trying to flout your stupid theory.
Nobody thinks its cool or worth discussing.
Quit while you're behind.
God shown himself to me. It’s no wonder he never shown up for you with that heart of yours.
Yes. Vaggie had a million different backstories and versions in the past but Viv finally decided on something.