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Well he isn't wrong. We just don't know and that's ok to say. Mainstream archeologists like Dribble don't want to say we don't know because they want to pretend to be the experts.
We don't know, and he should've clarified we don't have complete proof.
But things like the existence of hunter gatherer populations and the progression of crops evolving based on humans farming them point strongly to the fact that there was no global civilization before the ice age
The problem with complete proof is Muslims spent 1,000 years destroy artifacts and sites that were deemed unIslamic. That makes it hard to find a lot of answers.
>there are hunter gatherer populations in South America and Africa today, therefore modern civilization is not global and does not exist
This is what you sound like. Humans have always coexisted at differing levels of development, so why is it that when we look into the past there's this all-or-nothing approach?
sure, but if you randomly sampled even 1% of the people today you would find someone belonging to a modern, not hunter gatherer society
we do know, actually
at least, we know in the way that's satisfactory to know for any person that isn't a complete fricking moron
like, is it possible there's some old sites out there waiting to be discovered with megalithic structures, perhaps even the product of people we haven't heard about? sure, okay, it's possible
is it possible that we've missed some global-spanning civilization that were building using telepathy? no
most of the people on here who pretend to like graham have never read his books, and his "theories" are nowhere near as sensible as when he's cornered, he literally just spouts ancient aliens tier shit except he replaced aliens with muh long lost civilization
what a clown
Black person if you watch Hanwiener own show, all the archeologists are saying they don’t know, while it’s Hanwiener that’s so convinced of his theories
Have you sifted through every grain of sand in the sahara desert? Well, then frick you Mr. Academia, my speculation (devoid of any evidence) about a a prehistoric civilization that didn't use boats, metals or agriculture but was at the same time 19th century-level and global and taught others agricultural techniques still stands!
the sahara is a big ass area and if ground radar really just penetrate 10 meters I think that's a valid argument for it being a white space on the map. but as the other anon mentioned, why would I trust them on ice age stuff when they don't even know about the bronze age collaps?
it's the height of arrogance for them to say Hanwiener is wrong if the vast majority of information is still unknown. Not only that but even the most trivial lidar explorations of the Amazon rainforest keep revealing more potential evidence for what he's saying. Archaeologists are being premature and dogmatic
>it's the height of arrogance for them to say Hanwiener is wrong
It's the height of arrogance of hanwiener to demand the same amount of validity for his theories that isnt even supported by evidence.
>Archaeologists are being premature and dogmatic
They have to, otherwise every fricking crackpot with their own theories would be able to peddle their bullshit without any pushback. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Yes, but archaeologists claims are equally as extraordinary when attempting to debunk anomalies. For example when they say copper and sand is used to grind down stone in Egypt. They offer this same explanation in areas where 1) evidence on-site disagrees with their explanation 2) Some cutting techniques used by the Egyptians would have been impossible with this method, such as interior corners on the granite coffins
I agree that we shouldn't let every crackpot have an even-footing with devoted experts, but these experts are letting the field down with their poor explanations. There's no shame in admitting they don't know how it was done
That´s the point of Archaeology or any other science
totally unrelated to him being right or not, why is it that certain people have such a hate boner for the guy? something seems to be going on.
They told them to post about Graham. Cinemaphile was never into Rogan's podcast. Only /x/ and /misc/. Really odd to see threads here but I know why because Cinemaphile is shill central.
>Cinemaphile was never into Rogan's podcast. Only /x/ and /misc/
Fricking newbie.
>Cinemaphile was never into Rogan's podcast. Only /x/ and /misc/.
Really? Everytime I try and peek into /x/ looking for fun conspiracies it's the same old larping stuff.
He has been relevant with his crackpot theories for decades now and became rich and famous something Mainstream Archeologists can only dream about
Why would I not dislike a charlatan? Any reason?
he risked his and HIS WIFE's lives for science you little ungrateful cuck
He's a crank and talks a lot of shit about the field of archeology, so anyone that is a part of it has a huge hate boner for him.
so? there's so many crackpot stuff out there on both sides on the isle, why do you care about some obscure old british guy one step removed from ancient aliens?
Because he gets fairly high production value documentaries made by companies like Netflix based entirely around the conceit of shitting on professional archeologists. Spreading his bullshit much farther than it ever should have been.
LMAO at this butthurt mainstream archeologist
The way they use "Mainstream Archeologists" in both his and Ancient Aliens show is very funny like something from South Park
So? Aren't you an adult, can't you think for yourself? Why are you so threatened by pop science?
Because much of the public can't differentiate between what is actually believed to be true based on acquired evidence and inference, and the bedtime stories of wacky crazy people like Hanwiener.
>can't you think for yourself?
What does this even mean? I can think for myself which is why I don't believe every moron that writes books about ancient civilization moving stuff with their mind
I don't believe you can move rocks with your mind, but I can entertain the thought without having to actually believe in it. Because I'm a true intellectual and you're not.
>can't you think for yourself?
Somehow, thinking for yourself became "listen to the loudest contrarian voice."
Lets assume hes totally full of shit and its all nonsense. Why is hypotosizing that there was an ancient civilization of advanced Humans a bad thing? A thing that requires every archeological society to pressure Netflix into removing or mis-charatizing the film before hand? Do these same societies do this for every film about Christianity or Islam?
They also refuse to let us explore the ice wall or find the gap into the outer circle
Because for the layman it obscures the truth of actual history and replaces what could be a learning moment with pure fantasy.
Ancient aliens was mocked when that was popular. Now he's the new current thing. e probably gets more hate though but that's likely because he's more charismatic so more people fall for his dumb shit.
Flerfs weren't hated until the gathered a large following of genuine annoying morons, same thing.
>something seems to be going on
frick me, you fell right into his trap
maybe, maybe not. it just feels like one of those things. like rona and the ukraine, and what have you. somehow it's either this or that and all the same people start howling at eachother to pick a side. it's like someone activated a botnet or such.
>totally unrelated to him being right or not, why is it that certain people have such a hate boner for the guy? something seems to be going on.
Because he is a goddamn moron. He struck gold with his theories about past advanced civilization, but then he blew it by associating with absolute morons that believe in stuff like psychic powers and building the pyramids by levitating the stones.
>He struck gold with his theories about past advanced civilization, but then he blew it by associating with absolute morons that believe in stuff like psychic powers and building the pyramids by levitating the stones.
pretty much
if hanwiener's whole argument just stayed in the realm of
>look, older civilization were more advanced than we know, they aren't stupid like we're told, they may have even been a lot better at doing some things than we are
he'd been hailed as a hero by now, since academia went in the same direction with a lot of revisionist history giving credit to the brilliance of the ancients
unfortunately he decided go full hippie into muh mindpowers and muh telepathy muh astrological calculations
this is fat white woman shit
post a single clip where he says mind powers were real
it's in the books not the show
download Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind
?t=373
>taking ancient egyptian comic books as fact
Kek I love this guy, Rogan just needs to bring him with fellow crackpots instead of pitting him against legit archaeologists
>absolute morons that believe in stuff like psychic powers
The human mind & its supernatural abilities are much stranger than fiction. You are just unaware of your own abilities, which is a theme that Hanwiener visits often—forgotten history & human capabilities.
>I'll give you an example.
You know what remote viewing is? That would be considered a "psychic power" and it is 100% real; the CIA released declassified reports confirming that the agency was involved in experimental exercises to spy on Soviet Union assets, bc we figured out that the Russkis were remote viewing us first. Of course, the CIA claimed they stopped the RV program bc it "didn't work" but we all know that's a load of shite.
I went off on a tangent but my point is that it is naive to dismiss a foreign concept & call people morons for adopting such practices, simply bc *you* don't understand it. Reality is much more interesting than Hollywood.
>psychic powers exist because they just do okay
>my own proof disproves my point btw
Not that guy but it's a real thing. Look up "José Miguel Gaona remote viewing" one researcher just off the top of my head.
You're on a computer or a phone, search engines are free.
>"fricking google it" boomer-tier argument
lmfao
>still can't prove his point
Yep, I win
i do not envy your naivete
>The human mind & its supernatural abilities are much stranger than fiction. You are just unaware of your own abilities, which is a theme that Hanwiener visits often—forgotten history & human capabilities.
Newton is a b***h. What is the energy source for psychic powers capable of lifting stones weighing tens of tons?
>What is the energy source for psychic powers capable of lifting stones weighing tens of tons?
I'm not saying that "psychic powers" can achieve physical strengths as great as that, like "the force," but the human mind is most certainly capable of paranormal/spiritual applications (e.g., astral projection). I don't know why you are fixated on levitating pyramid stones, but, if anything, the stones were probably lifted by means of advanced tools/technology (from where or whom, I don't know). Just think of what Archimedes famously said, and apply it to your pyramids:
>"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.”
That was Hancuck's argument, dipshit.
take your meds
He presents himself as some sort of revolutionary thinker while calling an entire field out for being narrow minded and dogmatic because they don’t except his baseless theories, completely ruining many people’s perception of what actual research is supposed to be. What’s not to hate?
Because he had the gall to challenger the current, ingrained authority in academia & media.
Leftists CANNOT have that. It angers them on a basic level.
Academics don't like being challenged
he never claims he is 100% right
he just wants to question, theorize and explore
but morons like
and dibble who barely hold triple digit iqs (if you add them together) just want to silence him for it
dibble and op are the ones making strong statements and trying to censor people questioning their theories
graham on the other hand is open to any possible scenario being true/worth considering
the first topic was whether archeologists will destroy you for trying to questioning their theories, graham said they will, dibble laughed it off
here we have it though, graham proved right once again
>he just wants to question, theorize and explore
>I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!
>THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO SILENCE ME!
>ARCHAEOLOGISTS HATE ME!
why would you reduce the process of questioning, then theorizing by yourself and exploring your theory to "IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS"?
is he not allowed to practice science without your/archeologists acknowledgement?
>THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO SILENCE ME!
yes?
>ARCHAEOLOGISTS HATE ME!
dibble spoke more to the audience tham to graham in the entire debate
Because people who go "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" are doing anything but that. These people are not engaging in the Socratic method in order to better understand the world. They're giving every description possible, but just shying away from a prescription. This is super common in conspiracy theorists that prey on useful idiots like yourself. They don't actually have to demonstrate how something is happening or show evidence, but when pressed they play mental-judo an accuse others of being part of the "mainstream" trying to silence them, just like you did with "is he not allowed to practice science without your/archeologists acknowledgement?"
Is it true that your mother sucks wiener down by the train station?
I'm just asking questions over here anon
Is it true that you haven't taken your meds in weeks?
I'm just asking questions
Did you end up getting treatment for your HIV?
just asking questions, am I not allowed to ask medical questions without the approval of you/doctors acknowledgement?
Remember, if you get mad at my questions you're part of the illuminati mainstream globohomosexual trying to silence me
openly theorizing and exploring the possibility of the pyramid being older than we think is equal to stating that your mother is a prostitute, youre mentally ill and have hiv
this is what dibble and his followers believe
nice
I'm just openly theorizing about shooting wads down your mother's throat. She needs the cash, raising such a moronic child can't be cheap
>My two arbitrary subjective human measurements match
What does that prove?
ive made no claims, why are you so insecure about me posting a fun picture?
It’s fun, just saying those measurements don’t prove much. I personally side more with Graham, assuming the Nephilim are the men of renown from Genesis 6…not ayylmaos. I’m more of a faith based science denier so I can’t really argue anything…it was revealed to me on a dream!
Bro thats only 1 coordinate, a whole great circle across the earth matches that number
interesting, now post a picture of said earth
is it safe to say that to you, theorizing about the age of the pyramid is as insulting as theorizing about wads being shot down your mothers throat?
or is my cum in your mothers throat not insulting to you at all?
I'm just asking questions anon, why are you trying to silence me? Am I striking too close to the truth?
im not trying to silence you, im engaging in an open dialogue (all while specifically addressing the issue you're raising)
dibble didnt do what im doing right now
he did not engage graham, he spoke to the audience
Let's circle back to this, have you taken your meds today? Checking the historical record, it's entirely possible that you haven't been taking them for years. Did you know that misplaced aggression can be combatted by prescription medication. fascinating stuff
youre acting schizophrenic
youre asking me if ive taken medicine and try to imply that im agressive
when i didnt attack you once
i havent called you a name once
you on the other hand did, multiple times (all while equating theorizing about the age of the pyramid to shooting loads down your mothers throat, very weird stuff if you ask me)
>You're not theorizing.
correct, you can read, we are indeed talking about graham theorizing about the age of the pyramid, not me
>You taking two numbers that happen to match and extrapolating a large amount of meaning.
no im not
ive stated here
that its just a fun picture that i posted
and not one bit of text in this
post referenced the picture whatsoever
why wont you read what i said there instead of flipping the table seconds after seeing the picture?
ive read your every response, why cant you do the same?
I've read the posts you've highlighted. You're engaging in the "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" shtick, only hiding behind "tee hee it's just a funny picture to me," meanwhile you clearly support and defend Graham. You claim in your post that people like dibble and the op of this thread are trying to censor people questioning "their" theories.
The pic you're using is commonly used by other morons online to "just ask questions" by implying that those who made the pyramids knew about the speed of light to build right on the coordinates that match best with that number. Pic related. Quit being a dishonest worm.
>I've read the posts you've highlighted. You're engaging in the "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" shtick
not at all
im stating that graham not only wants to ask questions
he wanst to question, THEORIZE, AND EXPLORE his theory (he made multiple expeditions to my knowledge, diving for search of evidence for example)
im also stating that graham does not make strong statements for his theories, he's accepts logical arguments and likes to talk openly about his theories and he will accept a defeating argument with a smile on his face from what ive seen
>meanwhile you clearly support and defend Graham
i dont even really know what he stands for
just some odd questioning of our origins, dont really make much difference to me
but i will defend him when i see a weasel like dibble refuse to engage with him and refuse to talk to him even after coming to a debate!
dibble did not want to talk to graham and just virtue signaled to the audience
>You claim in your post that people like dibble and the op of this thread are trying to censor people questioning "their" theories.
this is clearly true
instead of disagreeing with graham (or the idiots IMPLYING that the picture i posted means they 100% knew something) and providing logical arguments and talking to someone you're way more into calling them names until they cease to talk/to be even (same as dibble and archeologists)
>question, THEORIZE, AND EXPLORE his theory (he made multiple expeditions to my knowledge, diving for search of evidence for example)
Conveniently in a way that allows him to support all his theories without providing any actual evidence for them. But hey, this rock he found underwater could totally been man-made, he just hasn't found any evidence for it.
>i dont even really know what he stands for
But you're more than willing to carry water for him and claim that he wants to "theorize and explore."
> instead of disagreeing with graham (or the idiots IMPLYING that the picture i posted means they 100% knew something) and providing logical arguments
People have provided plenty of logical arguments. Even in the photo from twitter I posted has text that disproves that dumb meme picture of the pyramid. Some moron saying that humans have the power to "remote view" a location with their mind is not evidence. Neither is taking a photo of an underwater rock and claiming it was man-made.
>Conveniently in a way that allows him to support all his theories without providing any actual evidence for them.
hmm
>hey, this rock he found underwater could totally been man-made
damn, potential evidence
>But you're more than willing to carry water for him and claim that he wants to "theorize and explore."
seems like it
>People have provided plenty of logical arguments.
not dibble
>Even in the photo from twitter I posted has text that disproves that dumb meme picture of the pyramid.
thats true
>Some moron saying that humans have the power to "remote view" a location with their mind is not evidence.
it would be if he would be able to
>Neither is taking a photo of an underwater rock and claiming it was man-made.
unless its man-made
you asked questions that implied that me/graham theorizing about the age of the pyramid is insulting to you, equal even to loads being shot down your mothers throat, thats why i want you to clearly state that you see them as equals before we can go further in the conversation
this is not silencing at all, this is what conversation looks like
equal*
>theorizing about the age of the pyramid
You're not theorizing. You taking two numbers that happen to match and extrapolating a large amount of meaning.
The average person being shown that those two numbers match would go, "gee that's a neat coincidence." When you look at those numbers you believe that is enough information to legitimize alternative theories of history. Hence the whole "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" and the part about you giving a description while shying away from a prescription.
He is constantly shitting on archeologists and appears as a scientist with tongue in the cheek claims on main stream media, that's why.
His 'hypothesis' have no proofs whatsoever, he's just a 'what if'-guy who portrays a fantasy of the history of mankind to normies. Real archealogists are mad at him because of the false portrail of our past and some are probably just mad of the attention and fame he gets with his half-assed claims.
aren't archeologists the guys who claimed dinosaurs didn't have feathers?
Jesus christ man
I think there is more knowledge about ancient civilisations that we are told and this guy is bringing up stuff some people don't want us to know about
yeah like how ancient pot smokers conferred with aliens? fricking moron
Honest answer: I used to like him until that last episode of JRE and now I can't stand him.
First, he claims his ideas are treated unfairly by academics and I was open to that idea, but HE initiated the attack on the podcast and never stopped. He was constantly rude, right from the first time he asked Flint a question. It was really fricking annoying seeing him play the victim when he behaved like an absolute c**t with 0 reason to start hostilities.
Second, he wouldn't engage with any fricking evidence. Literally bring any evidence at all. Even Joe was saying his pictures were blurry and hard to see. And he only had 2 blurry pictures of a supposedly amazing and super convincing underwater megalith?
Third, he claimed Flint was misrepresenting his arguments, but he blatantly ignored literally everything Flint said. It was completely the other way around to what he's claiming. He completely ignored the fact that Flint was making the obvious case that if we've found millions of sites where we've seen hunter-gatherers and we still haven't seen any evidence of a more advanced civilisation, which should be easier to find than more primitive societies, then the probability that it existed is nearly zero. He ignored this and goes "No no no no, how much of the desert have you EXCAVATED?" as if that means fricking anything. And he plays the victim on this when he's the biggest fricking offender.
Lastly was his endless crybaby b***hing about Flint and social media and shit. It was just pathetic. His only valid point was that Flint was a homosexual for doing the 2 degrees of separation from Nazis thing, he should've known (and most likely did) that it would lead to Graham getting smeared like that, and he should've apologised. But crying about twitter was a total b***h move. I couldn't believe he had a fricking slideshow of tweets.
I used to think his ideas were really interesting, but I'm so done with this grifter after that. He's a homosexual.
That's a reasonable summary...as the years went on Graham leaned more and more into that victim mode until it became the vocal point of his narrative. Meanwhile the evidence for his case has not increased in the slightest despite a piling up of new excavation and new technologies. Bringing a slideshow of mean twitter posts to your discussion about a lost civilization...holy frick kek. He is absolutely woman brained...argues based on emotions and intuitions and tries to manipulate others into seeing him as the victim 24/7.
It's the Agent Smith effect. He challenges the scientific status quo so a bunch of drones with no knowledge or investment in the subject matter fly into a rage
Why does your generation interpret all response as angry?
its just rightoids being morons
He perpetuates White supremacy. They actually say that.
this is white people version of
>we wuz kings, cleopatra was black
you have your own version of history that they don't teach in school because they want to keep you down. You're equally moronic
Thats more in the Hyperborea vein.
Graham isn't explicitly racialized.
Hanwiener is no different from the Afro-centric circles you find on YouTube. He has zero interest in the truth and has a pathological need for his theories to be true. He believes that there is a multitude of cover-ups suppressing everything he claims to be true. Absolutely delulu
I mean, isn't the whole of archeology based upon grants? Seems like if something threatens your ability to get grants you're essentially forced to work at walmart.
If there were some validity to his claims it would generate more interest to sponsor digs.
There's a legitimate interest in some of the digs in jerusalem, like one underneath the temple mount I think. But they're not allowed to do it because whatever the results might be it could start WW3. You're naiv if you think archeology is just unconditionally interested in the truth. Dude himself admitted that italian museums wouldn't display those penis figurines up until recently. Same goes for the vatican library, to some degree.
The digs in Jerusalem have more to do with the Israeli government than academia. Years ago the Israelis conducted a dig on a castle held by the Maccabees which found pork bones in a midden. It's not a far-reaching conspiracy intended to keep the money flowing in a certain direction. Hanwiener sees the conspiracy anywhere and everywhere that goes against his claims. Which is a very convenient position to hold.
>if he were right we'd investigate, but he's wrong so we won't bother
Good science there champ
>i'm gonna make some random shit up, it's true because i don't get government gibs to go investigate it
you're a fricking moron.
He didn't say that.
is this the new talking point or are you samegay
>Lidar discovers giant cities in the amazon
What now reddit?
they've pretended they're not there for 30 years now, i'm sure they can manage another 30
MR. GRAHAMELLI, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU ARE A FANTASTIC MORON
besides archeology isn't a hard science anyhow
it's harder than
>what if everything is a lie and what if there was an ancient civilization of godmen who built using telepathy :OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
you need to have Black person iq to fall for this boomer shit
ok
and?
True after the
>We found dialators in the trenches from ww1 for trans troops
I realised it's all fake and gay
It is not unreasonable to believe that some civilisations may have used bronze earlier than we previously thought. But why these civilisations also must have had antigrav technology, were telepathic and communicated with aliens is a little beyond me
Doesn't even have to be antigrav. there's this one guy who famously would move large stones just by himself using little rocking stones and counter weights. I think those old timers might have been far smarter than we give them credit for.
this.
they didn't even need the wheel.
you guys are all silly. they didn't move giant stones. they just used old school cement and poured it in giant molds
https://twitter.com/FoMaHun/status/1777304096489295996
holy frick the egyptians had xboxs
thats where hitler got his
Have they found any of his tech decks?
They built the pyramids to power it
imho hes moron or fraud trying to make some money (can respect the hustle)
but on the other side articles like "GH is dangerous to our democracy" or "GH is [bad word]" are even more moronic
let's be totally real here. I don't trust a dude who's been calling another guy racist despite him being happily married to black indian chick. Especially not in terms of archeology. If that hobbit looking mofo found evidence a bunch of redhead pharaos in egypt tomorrow I'd be willing to bet he'd smash those tablets instantly. not trying to we wuz but a guy who has that political bias probably makes a shitty archeologist.
>but on the other side articles like "GH is dangerous to our democracy" or "GH is [bad word]" are even more moronic
if he wasn't so much of a disingenuous goofball, one can easily imagine him taking this into consideration just to intentionally prop himself up and look more appealing by comparison. but he isn't, and his opposition is just simply that moronic and gay. the gaygier his opponents look, the more people will be emboldened to support what he's selling and i don't think they realize that
The practical issue is that most actual archeologists are very uncharismatic and a bit autistic, being deeply obsessed with a small range of history and not ever really planning to be a public figure for it.
So they don't make appealing arguments or statements when a guy like Graham comes in and calls them liars. Instead, they lash out in dumb ways that don't make the wider public agree with them, because they never learned that skill.
Graham is charismatic and is more of a public personality than specifically a crypto-archeologist. So he talks to people how they want to be talked to and says things that people like to hear.
Its a huckster versus a nerd, and clearly the huckster is going to sound better.
>hanwiener is charismatic
Don't take offense to this, but you need to go outside.
If you think he isn't, you're an idiot.
The guy is entertaining to hear talk, he's able to comfortably discuss material in front of millions of people without getting awkward or nervous, and he is good at saying his nonsense in a way that sounds more reasonable than it should, until you get deep into it.
He's not some bombastic television host, but the guy is objectively charismatic.
like hitler. further proof of him being a racist. check and mate.
There's being a good sophist and being charismatic. Hanwiener is a bit too much of a sperg to be charismatic.
Perhaps he is relatively charismatic, compared to the average sperg who'll lose his spaghetti trying to respond to small talk initiated by a stranger?
I find it strange that the nerds are the ones trying to ignore the evidence which Hanwiener presents though, and resorting to cheap huckster tricks like calling him a white supremacist, shouldn't it be the other way around?
I think your analogy works in a way, but there's definitely a strange lack of open-mindedness on the archaeologist side
He has no real evidence and he even has said so himself in that very JRE podcast. That white supremacy bullshit was cringe, but let's not stoop on that level of personality based inquiry than. On a factual basis there is still way more hard data against Hanwieners hypothesis than in favor of it...the latter one actually being close to zero. It's a speculative civilization of the gaps nothing more.
Any amount of evidence which cannot be refuted by archaeologists sticks out like a sore thumb, and every single attempt by them to 'debunk' it is flaccid, such as when they were discussing the sphinx on the JRE episode. That's a huge signal to me at least that they aren't being open minded, they just don't take it seriously at all. Yes there is a lot of evidence against a specific kind of global civilization (no boats etc), but that itself doesn't rule out the idea completely either, the evidence Hanwiener presents DOES rule out the status quo view
I do not know much more explicit I have to be to hammer down the point: There is no evidence. There is conjecture based on a speculation Hancuck cooked up. He speculated first and tries to go from there to make the actual evidence and known unknowns somehow fall in line with his theory. Not only is that approach idiotic, it doesn't even work anymore due to new methods of inquiry. What kind of global '19th century level' civilization does not construct boats, work metal or have crops (the latter despite teaching agriculture to everyone). That shit is beyond moronic on top of having zero evidence apart from 'underwater rock looks funny to me, don't it look funny to you, Mr. academia??'. A hypothesis about a lost civ of advanced Dinosauroids in subterranean enviroments is more plausible and as well evidenced for as this crap.
If that underwater rock was actually some construction project from an ancient civilization then it would be evidence though, the problem entirely lies with how we judge this. Multiple types of evidence exists across the world but it gets handwaved away and dismissed. Some of these examples of evidence are extremely anomalous, e.g. the Sphinx, Egyptian pottery with CNC levels of precision, Machu Picchu stonework. The same can be said of archaeologists as what you accuse Hanwiener of - they make up their mind that it's not evidence then post-hoc fling out half baked reasons as to why. I find that weird as hell, they turn their noses up at some of the most striking and interesting pieces of evidence yet discovered, just because it doesn't neatly fit into the conventional narrative
As for not constructing boats or developing agriculture, that's a good argument against the civilization type which you imagine, but I believe Graham speaks about a more spiritual and less technological civilization, or maybe one where they developed certain technologies and never progressed outside of that? that shit gets too deep into fiction territory for me and sounds pretty dumb, but the archaeology side is just as dumb in my opinion
>find that weird as hell, they turn their noses up at some of the most striking and interesting pieces of evidence yet discovered,
Probably because it’s not nearly as striking as you believe. What seems striking to a naked observer may seem innocuous to an expert who has seen many things like it and actually knows how weird geology can be.
In that case it should be easily explainable and similar examples shown, Hanwiener would be disgraced and the archaeologists applauded for their keen eye
The reason this doesn't happen is because they don't actually know - they merely pretend
Hancuck is already being disgraced, though. It is just that the average person (You) is too stupid to listen to actual experts.
Believing everything that 'experts' say is a sign that you are easily impressionable and cannot think critically. Their opinions don't really matter to me, it's their rationale and logic behind their statements which are important. In some cases they make good arguments - lack of evidence of boats, in some cases they make poor arguments - the Sphinx
Not "believing", "LISTENING". If you listen to Hancuck's arguments right before listening to an expert's, you will feel extremly dumb for believing in the former.
The majority of Hanwiener's points are quite goofy, I agree, but he does have some valid ideas in there, and those valid ideas are ones in which experts stumble at explaining. The truth lies somewhere in between
what an astonishingly blatant post
would you like to name any of these valid ideas for us or are you going to squirm away from saying anything solid at all
in some cases they make poor arguments - the Sphinx
See
They could needlessly investigate all these blurry rocks at the other side of the world in hundreds of dives, spending millions of dollars, coming to the conclusion that they are all natural and Hanwiener would just call them biased and shift the goal post. Pretending that blurry pictures of funny rocks are some sort of linch pin for the credible of this whole fantasy is a bad faith argument. We can turn it the other way round as well. Hanwiener has made quite some buck with his narrative and manages to raise millions of dollars in funds for a Netflix series. Why didn't he raise more ressources for research on this supposedly definite proof for his theory than some blurry ass pictures?
If they aren't willing to investigate then they should take a few steps back from their arrogant conclusions.
Hanwiener did invest money into researching these areas. I don't really understand your criticism here, you want him to spend more of his money on it than he already has? His pictures were pretty good I thought considering the circumstances. The next step would be 3d scanning the area but that may be out of the realms for his solo research
Of course I agree that Hanwiener is motivated to shift goal posts and such, I'm not really defending him rather I'm attacking the surprising and uncharacteristic stance of archaeologists towards genuine evidence being presented here. This is archaeologists job, their passion probably since they were children, there ARE things being presented which are anomalous and which have survived scrutiny... shouldn't archaeologists be all over that? I just don't understand why they are acting like this. Some of the most mind blowing stuff I've seen are the examples of Egyptian pottery being measured to modern CNC levels of precision, like they need to measure these things with lasers. The only people looking into this are small youtube channels and stuff, while supposedly passionate archaeologists are going around calling these people white supremacists. The whole situation is whack
>genuine evidence
?
>Some of the most mind blowing stuff I've seen are the examples of Egyptian pottery being measured to modern CNC levels of precision, like they need to measure these things with lasers
Litterally any argument ever presented can be found debunked already on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3A_kItgymQ
i skimmed through the video. So no one has made the claim that we cannot ablate and grind granite as they are doing here. The evidence we see in egypt are with quick cutting tools and insanely high precision
yeah i agree
while graham is a moron i have no idea why anyone assumes he's somehow more "dangerous" than the million of youtube videos who push this sort of content
and if we're honest, the sort of conspiracy nuts who buy this shit are far more likely to believe 48 yo Pedro Martinez, aka TruthSeeker1978, recording on his webcam from 2011 and posting on youtube than some guy with a flashy netflix show
>pedro is just like me!
the thing is they want to nanny state everything, literally everything. I don't agree with most of hanwiener's stuff, alex jones, or david icke for that matter, but banning them isn't the solution. if science can't win arguments against those kind of crackpots maybe their approach is wrong.
Alex Jones has been right about almost everything.
he's been wrong a lot, too. it's just that alex jones talks so fricking much he's bound to make correct predictions here and there just by random chance. obviously it's not all random and he does know one or two things, but you know what I'm saying. at the same time he has claimed to engage in personal conversations with jesus and shit like that.
tdlr. imo you need to be a little crazy to go against mainstream opinions and that's where I give hanwiener and such credit. it's incredibly hard to go against established narratives and the very least those guys are very couragous even if they're also dumb.
it's especially weird because these are the last people you'd want to ban, right? all of them are so ridiculous they kinda look bad on their own
the good people to ban would be those who are actually well-spoken, who seem reasonable, and who are taken seriously
i think that because they're pretentious buttholes they fail to understand how many people watch this stuff for ENTERTAINMENT, i watched ancient aliens, i watched graham's apocalypse show, and i even listen to alex jones when i've got a lot of free time
i don't believe in any of it, it's just fun, and i'd rather listen to it than some gay video essay
>david icke
I kind of remember when that man was not absolutely insane. think he was even on the discovery channel at one time.
he's not absolutely insane, though
i watched him on alex jones about a year ago where he shit on elon and called him a deep state actor and it was eloquent and to the point
just because he believes in lizard people and shit doens't mean he's full on crazy, you'd be surprised how possible it is to have an insane belief while operating rationally in every other respect
it's debatable if he believes in lizard people or just uses the terms as code for the israelites. he denies it but israelites like jon ronson and the adl seem to think differently.
personally I think icke really is a little nuts in a theosophic kind of esoteric I chant at water kind of way, but I don't think he's evil. if anything I'd trust icke with my kids rather than any of the mainstream politicians, or figures of authority. besides his media personality he's probably a rather average bloke who likes pubs and watching soccer on the tv.
>I've always assumed it was code speak for 'Jews'
i'm not sure about this
keep in mind that beyond the accusations of antisemitism there's very little to put david icke on the right, he's always been a leftwing crackpot and once he was even a rather respected leftwinger
i don't see why he would've become a nazi overnight or why he wouldn't just call israelites israelites if that was his rational, after all he ended up in a far worse place by calling them lizard people if that was truly his angle
but again, i don't think so, i think he's sincere about the lizard people thing
I don't even know what left and right actually are anymore. I remember when anti-globalism was a lefty thing. to me none of this makes sense anymore so why bother with those kind of labels. people who are exclusively one thing are moronic anyhow. like who the frick is 100% left or 100% right on everything? that's dumb as hell.
Those words don’t matter anymore
checccem
>i watched him on alex jones about a year ago where he shit on elon and called him a deep state actor and it was eloquent and to the point
he also did that again recently & alex started sperging out like a moron and was weirdly whiteknighting for elon and kept thinking that icke was trying to "debate," and icke eventually just is like "ok dude whatever, I'm not even trying to debate I'm just explaining my stance on the guy, TF"
that's because alex is on the payroll of the feds now
maybe he was always, maybe not, but he definitely is now
why would he need to be on anyones payroll doesnt he owe a billion dollars? its not like he will ever pay it off
Don't know about that, mate. When I was a small child he was on the telly saying he was the Son of God kek
I remember him being somewhat reasonable then went off the deep-end with lizard people or something along those lines. think that was at the end of the 90's.
I've always assumed it was code speak for 'Jews'
he's alright in my book
the US is already nannystated. how many children do you see roaming around in free play? now they're inside, closely watched by their parent(s), or in some kind of supervised extracurricular sport. we've raised a generation of sheeple, exactly what the government wants.
Because Graham's shtick of being the underdog going up against Big Archaeology, appeals way more than a random youtuber. The fact that he's gotten a Netflix show, sells books, and gets on Joe Rogan is proof of that. And also because morons will see him say the dumbest fricking things on the planet but then think "hmm, well I don't like how the hobbit archaeologist spoke to Graham, plus he looks weird, so Graham must be telling some truth!" Graham is a convenient figure for morons to point to and use to attack other fields of science, which you see often in these threads.
>And also because morons will see him say the dumbest fricking things on the planet but then think "hmm, well I don't like how the hobbit archaeologist spoke to Graham, plus he looks weird, so Graham must be telling some truth!
it was pretty striking to me to go on twitter and see how many chuds lost their minds over racism accusations dibble put out without focusing at all on the substance of what he was saying
that's probably my least favorite thing about current year, it doesn't matter what you say or how right you are, if you're on the left rightwingers will just shit on you and ignore you, and leftists will do the same when you're on the right
like why exactly would i give the slighest frick about dibble's political opinions? do these people also ask their cashiers at the supermarket at gunpoint
>WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN ARE YOU?
fricking lunatics
Absolutely. The reason why they focus on the racism aspect is because it's easier to attack. They can say Dibble is politically biased and throw out his other criticisms. Another reason why they focus on the unsubstantial part is because most people aren't going to watch a 4 hour archaeology debate, so they get the cliff notes from other people online and focus on clip chimping.
One of the so called arguments that the homosexual redditor with the hat was using is that Handwiener's theory is racist. His closing statement was literally gibs more money and to respect "indigenous" """people""". What a fricking tool.
He also completely refuses to engage with any piece of evidence that could possibly be interpreted differently from "scientific consensus." It's extremely feminine in the worst way, he's literally the embodiment of that description of women filtering their beliefs through consensus instead of truth.
>Hanwiener shows a picture of underwater rocks that appear to be carved into perfectly flat steps with perfect right angles
>Hanwiener: Don't you think this merits further exploration?
>Dribble: Did a conglomerate of mainstream geologists all officially agree that this is man-made?
>Hanwiener: I've taken some geologists there and they all agree this appears man-made.
>Dribble: Then it's impossible, this MUST be a natural formation and there cannot be any other explanation, nor should we even entertain the idea of examining it more closely until enough people agree it's man-made that I won't look like I'm going against the grain by saying it possibly could be.
Hanwiener was right to call him slippery, he was infuriating to listen to because he couldn't answer a single question in a straightforward way.
>Hanwiener: I've taken some geologists there and they all agree this appears man-made.
That's literally untrue. When pressed, Hanwiener says that one of the geologists he brought no longer believes that it was man-made.
I was simplifying for the sake of brevity, but since you brought that up it's worth noting that the guy who ended up disagreeing was the most mainstream and recognized of the bunch and may have experienced more pressure from colleagues and ended up changing his mind later based on that.
And of course, it's not because there isn't enough evidence yet to support the rock structures being man-made, it's because the geologist is clearly in cahoots with Big Archaeology™. How convenient that one of the geologists that disagree with him must have received pressure from colleagues which caused him to change his mind, No, it couldn't be he looked further into it and decided his initial judgement was incorrect. Quite the claim for someone that says the opposition is slippery. This is why people think you're a dipshit. It's never because someone reevaluated their position, it's always a big conspiracy.
I said MAY because it's not made clear by anyone in the discussion exactly why he changed his mind so it's literally unknowable with the information we have. If you have more information about his change of opinion I'd be glad to read it.
>I said MAY because
because you want to poison the well. Why else would you ignore the fact that Hanwiener said the geologist changed his mind only after he was pressed? Brevity? There's always some fact omitted or glossed over that conveniently hurts Hanwiener's story.
>unless its man-made
That's the problem, they haven't presented any evidence it was man-made. Just "I think it could be!"
>Why else would you ignore the fact that Hanwiener said the geologist changed his mind only after he was pressed? Brevity?
Yes, because it wasn't relevant to the point I was making. The point I was making is that Dribble refused to comment without knowing specifically that he was in agreement with the mainstream view and completely discounted the opinions of other geologists because they didn't line up with mainstream consensus. His entire mode of discussion is to regurgitate what he's been told is the accepted consensus and he won't even say something as simple as, "Yes, that LOOKS man-made, but..." he just outright says, "No, it doesn't look man-made, you're wrong for thinking it does, and you can only speculate to that end if mainstream geological consensus permits it."
Why is it so hard for people to accept that reality is just lame and the truth is most often very mundane?
There are no aliens, no lost civilizations, no magic occult societies.
>Why is it so hard for people to accept that reality is just lame and the truth is most often very mundane? There is no electricity, there is no new world and man will never fly.
Frick you!
If you don't support Hanwiener you're a bonafide söy redditor.
I don't care about your fedora man "arguments" to be honest.
Graham seems to be such a fragile little crybaby when he is actually being confronted with facts. He also keeps attacking Flint about some dumb Twitter posts instead of actually presenting interesting stuff like Flint does.
He could've used this opportunity to present his theories in a well-structured manner, and he came off as some bumbling idiot.
he desperately wants to find proof of what he has been searching for for most of his life. how the frick can there be anything wrong with that? the literal homosexuals that uncontrollably seethe about this guy are fricking pathetic. his netflix show was comfy and certainly got more zoomers interested in archaeology than any homosexual redditor in a suit 3 sizes too large and a ridiculous fedora ever could.
The problem is that he’s convinced that his theories are true before actually finding any proof, and then he spreads hate against any actual archeologists that disagree with him. Any archeologist can make sensationalist claims about lost civilizations and get their own Netflix show, most don’t do it because of integrity. You can find ancient aliens comfy as well, doesn’t mean it’s not brainrot. He’s not getter no people into archeology, just pop conspiracy.
no. you are moronic
Nice argument. Go back to ancient aliens and other pop sci nonsense
Working backwards from a foregone conclusion and calling everyone disagreeing with you 'close minded' and married to an idea is incredibly unscientific, ironic and cringeworthy.
He makes these grandiose claims about a global, 19th century level civ and moves the goal post every time evidence appears that contradicts his headcanon. It's reached the point that the civilization of the gaps gained an utterly ridiculous profile:
-It's global but it was not seafaring, because no shipwrecks showed up
-It taught hunterer gatherers agriculture but did not cultivate crops itself, because the archeological evidence for agricultural is a gradual one that takes place way after Hancucks mystery meat civ
-It's 19th century level technology wise but did not use metallurgy, because we have proof that metallurgy did not exist before the ice age, so that just means that this 19th century civ was advanced in other ways and refused to use metals
>Somehow tons of hunterer gatherer sites and artefacts are found below sea level but none of the global civilization even though it should have left much more and clear traces than some ungabungas preying on mammoth, but that's just an enormous coincidence because we have not scanned the whole ocean yet
lmao...if we were to sift through every single grain of sand in the Sahara desert Hancuck would just relocate his might civ to a subterranean location. He is working backwards from a moronic woo woo conclusion that gets more implausible the more research is actually done. He has made a shit ton of money of this fiction though and continues to do so, while calling others to be too invested in a certain world view and having conflicting interests. Thick irony.
if it was just a polynesian level of civilization that would be still huge
You and Hancuck are moving the goal post here though. What he is dealing in is not the notion that some yet to be discovered neolithic civilizations might have existed before the ice age. He is saying that there was a global civ at the technological level of the 18th to 19th century, whose survivors established agriculture and forms architecture globally. This is his claim to fame and what he is selling. Tip toeing between this grande vision and more conservative speculations whenever he gets btfo is dishonest and seethrough.
maybe there was, at some point. modern human history is what, like 40k years old? who is to know if there wasn't modernish humans at one point when the arctic was ice free. we just don't know. probably can't know either.
Define "modernish". Like, what technology do you think they had?
early egyptians, sumerians, maybe old polynesians.
It's entirely possible that there was a civilization capable if crossing the oceans 40k years ago, but we have not seen any evidence of them ever existing.
isn't that brazil cave thing evidence? not for a global civilization but some group having crossed over.
Sorry, I don't know which cave thing you are referencing.
it's just the first link, I didn't read it all. it's just for you to do your own research
>Set within treacherously steep cliffs, and hidden away in the secluded valleys of northeast Brazil, is some of South America’s most significant and spectacular rock art. Most known art comes from the archaeologically-important National Park of the Serra da Capivara in the state of Piauí, and it is causing quite a controversy. The reason for the uproar? The rock art is being dated to around 25,000 years ago, while a small number of eminent rock art specialists are proposing an even earlier date - perhaps as far back as 36,000 years ago. If correct, this is set to challenge the widely held view that the Americas were first colonised from the north, via the Bering Straits at around 10,000 BC, only moving down into Central and South America in the millennia thereafter (a model known as the Clovis First Theory, after the 'Clovis-tradition' stone tools used by these settlers). So what is this contentious art and why is it being given such an ancient date?
https://www.bradshawfoundation.com/south_america/serra_da_capivara/index.php
Cave paintings don't really scream
>early egyptians, sumerians, maybe old polynesians
to me.
Tho it is entirely possible that some group of humans did reach South America by boat earlier than the last ice age.
I mean we can dig up 200 million year old dinosaurs. It seems implausible that there is no trace whatsoever of a 40k year old civilization. Moreover I do not see what explanatory value this speculation adds to our actual evidence. It's just some potentiality without evidence you inserted into a potential blind spot, that seemed to have no further effect on the development of civilization. It's not entirely impossible, few things are, but this new axiom creates more questions than it solves even if it was in any way plausible. So why even work from the idea that it should be there?
we can dig up dinosaurs but how many humanoids did we really find? like lucy or what the name is. I'd guess there should be a whoooole lot of intermediate type of humanoids and not just 8 or how many there are. that said, I'm not sure if some polynesian like civilization based on wood and hamp and limited stone work would leave much of a trace. but I'm just guessing.
Define human and human intermediary. We have found over 80 homosexual erectus specimen, 400 neanderthals, 400 australopiticus fossils and a multitude of artefacts from these groups.
you don't just go from homosexual erectus to homosexual sapiens in one go, I would guess. I dunno, maybe it actually was a sudden mutation but I'd guess it was more like a gradual process with lots of intermixing, like sometimes a step back and two forth.
There are intermediary forms and hybrid forms however.That's why there is a distinction of an archaic form of species XY and a modern form of species XY. Either way, not having a perfect record of a development in one spot would not even be a good copout for having literally zero traces for a modern civilization that existed a couple of thousand years ago.
I'm saying there should've been a lot of those but there aren't, or am I wrong? besides it seems unlikely for modern humans to randomly drop into tar pits.
Afaik there are a handful in a sample size that is not huge to begin with. I do not know what precise threshhold of percentage you would expect and on what that expectation is based on, it seems rather arbitrary to me at the moment. Furthermore, as I have mentioned a couple of times now, I still do not see how this vindicates the idea of a modern society with zero archeological traces, not few, zero.So maybe you could reiterate your actual line of thinking so that I can understand it better.
what do you think the relative percentage of discovered archeologically relevant humanoid is in context of the total amount of archeologically relevant humanoids to have ever existed?
Any reasonable person could see that Graham talks out of his ass a lot, but on the same token there's a lot of evidence for advanced manufacturing techniques, e.g. the schist disk in egypt and many other artifacts there, or the sphinx. Plus he did bring up quite a few locations underwater but those are handwaved away prematurely. It is also a valid point that we simply don't know as many areas such as sahara and amazon rainforest aren't properly explored - it's just as goofy to handwave these away as Graham's DMT trip bullshit is
No one is handwaving away the possibility that there is much left to be discovered. It's just not a proof for his entirely speculative, global 19th century civ. He dug his own grave with the grandiosity of his claims. It's enitrely implausible that the traces of a global civilization are entirely restricted to areas we couldn't ecavate yet-
I mean the polynesians crossed the pacific with rafts and thor heyerdahl has proven it's possible to cross the the atlantic that way. feasible even. this isn't exactly the east india company but still. they didn't need that much technology to do it, right? so how many generations would it take to reach that level under good conditions? probably not many, I'd say.
They did and they also left archeological evidence for that. Again though, a Polynesian-esque civ is a very different beast from what Hanwiener is selling in his vision.
You could tell he had no idea how domestication of grains worked during the debate, and that completely destroyed his good faith with Rogan.
It'll be hilarious if he loses his biggest soap box which is JRE
There’s no way searching less than ten percent of wherever the frick could give conclusive proof that it isn’t real but that doesn’t mean it is. But it’s fun to dream of an ancient civilization that knew a ton of shit isn’t it?
>Depending on the targets sought, choice of antenna frequency, sampling interval and suitable ground conditions GPR can detect sub-surface features in the range of a few centimetres to about 10m.
just googled that. that's not much bro.
Dibble literally said believing in lost civilizations is supporting white supremacy, which is, frankly, moronic.
How could anyone defend someone like that, other than because an obsessive and desperate hatred for Hanwiener?
that isn't what he said, so aren't you moronic for trying to strawman him? if you actually think he's totally wrong and a complete moron, why not actually go by what was said?
why can't you just answer what i asked you instead of trying to redirect me
what you said isn't at all what dibble said
are you gonna address that or do you prefer strawmanning like a israelite?
>what you said isn't at all what dibble said
lol
correct, you strawmanning piece of shit
do i need to remind you of your post?
>Dibble literally said believing in lost civilizations is supporting white supremacy, which is, frankly, moronic.
he never said that
— 'Like many forms of pseudoarchaeology, these claims act to reinforce white supremacist ideas, stripping Indigenous people of their rich heritage and instead giving credit to aliens or White people.'
lul
Aliens are like white people now? What?
Aliens OR white people. I and others assume he's talking about the hyperborea shit
>these claims
what claims? could it be that he's specifically referring to atlantis and other specific white supremacy adjacent ideas rather than ancient civilizations in general?
you're so dishonest it's actually incredible
Nice mental gymnastics, frick face. He said what he said.
>atlantis and other specific white supremacy adjacent ideas
Fricking lost. You people are insane.
Esoteric Nazism.
Atlantis as a word can be used to mean any lost enough civilization, period, you realize. Atlantis wouldn’t be called Atlantis to the actual ancient lost peoples.
no because atlantis as used by graham and the sources he looks to for information comes directly out of white supremacist 19th century literature
not really i'm dealing with the actual argument as dibble laid it out
if you want to have your little chud chimpout and make a strawman to knock down so you can feel good about yourself, you do that, i'm older than 13
You got your cheeks spread now you are coping
The people who believe in atlantis believe it was somewhere in north africa or the middle of the fricking ocean, not europe, give it a rest you homosexual moron.
That stupid narrative never made any fricking sense. Those cranks ascribe anything involving moving large rocks to aliens/antlantis, including stone henge (built by Whites).
They want to hold on to their stupid oppression narrative just as badly as hanwiener and his stupid floating boulders.
>"all these points line up directly with the sun's path"
>"except this one key point doesn’t, and why is that?"
>"because 4000 years ago it lined up with the sun, when it was built!" *dramatic music sting*
Then why mention the first set of points lining up with the sun when they probably didn't line up with the sun 4000 years ago? You know, when it supposedly was a bigger deal about all that shit lining up?
Glad I watched this with a friend who was really into the guy so I could point out all these inconsistencies. This was the episode about the snake the injuns built in missouri or whatever.
nice headcanon
Go back and watch it yourself if you don't believe me.
nah, i dont need to do that to know that youre a slimy lying israelite
What are you so afraid of? Just go back and watch that episode about the indian snake thing in the midwest and keep in mind what I was saying.
In fact, I bet you could go through all of his episodes and see when he says something lines up with the sun now, but how this main part ahkshually doesn't line up with the sun now because it lined up x thousands of years ago.
The sad part is that archeology is exciting enough without inventing ancient aliens, time travel and telepathy.
For example, a lot of empires around the mediterranean sea collapsed at the end of the bronze age arround the same time and noone can really tell why (spoiler: It was probably a perfect storm of shit like droughs, earthquakes and general unrest happening at the same time). Going into detail about that, why it happened and what trade had to do with it is interesting enough and you don't even have to invent ancient aliens to make an exciting TV show. Sure, your audience should have an IQ of over 90 but still.
wasn't there some kind of volcanic erruption leading to some kind mad max scenario and then them spilling out into egypt and such?
It is likely that natural disasters played a role but you'd probably need much more to topple an empire like Egypt.
What I personally wasn't aware of was how widespread and neccessary trade was at the time. E.g. to make bronze you'll need tin and copper, both of which almost never are in the same region and quite some ways apart. It's also not unreasonable to believe that being this dependent on trade might also have lead to the bronze age collapse. Bronze was so practical and useful that empires couldn't work without it. So a single empire falling might have lead to a chain reaction since they couldn't trade with their neighbors anymore.
It's fascinating to think that during the bronze age trade was already this "global". And all without frankly shitty theories about aliens, superpowers or ancient hypertechnology.
Graham even pointed out that there's clearly some valuable information in the Amazon rainforest and any time we look with lidar we find new structures, etc, that already is a valuable lead
On top of this you also have a bunch of evidence that archaeologists can't really refute such as the erosion of the Sphinx, or the precision of artifacts at Egypt where there's clearly a huge and sudden decline in quality of Egyptian pottery as time goes on. It's safe to assume that some level of knowledge was acquired early on. It's not a big jump to say that the knowledge came from somewhere, and the people who had that knowledge of lathe manufacturing techniques were probably somewhat advanced. The time frame for when this technology transfer happened is also around the point where great floods were happening
He does talk a lot of nonsense but parts of evidence built into his arguments are irrefutable
I don't know man, we see civilizations losing the ability to do what they did in the past all the time. In fact, we're undergoing it now.
I think the more likely explanation is some form of societal degradation than some unknown group giving them all this knowledge and then fricking off forever.
>In fact, we're undergoing it now.
They’re bringing back in old people out of retirement now, thanks to zoomers being so useless when it comes to learning new things. Loss of information is going to be a big problem.
Hanwiener is like Ridley Scott in regards to authenticity
Imagine actually defending a leftist with a political agenda.
How the actual frick is Atlantis racist? Atlanteans wouldn’t even be white!
something something hyperborea black sun
white hyperborean aryan gigachads taught brownoid ancient monkeys how to grow food, build shit and read the stars. deal with it, thirdies
It's not on me to prove myself right.
It's on you to prove me wrong.
Who the frick is this guy and why do I see the same picture of him daily on the catalog?
That child in a trenchcoat and fedora was reddit incarnate
>actually that's been deboonked
>how?
>I don't know but it has
And half of this website is defending him. I am blown away by how cringe this website has gotten. Nobody even says “go back” anymore. The current Cinemaphile kiddo goes to both.
trump tourists come here to be edgy and not lose karma
Anyone with reddit cookies should be permabanned on sight, but unfortunately Cinemaphilegz needs their traffic to generate ad revenue.
Unless you want to start paying for a pass.
honestly, I tried to make a few reddit accounts over the years but I'm perma banned for some reason or instantly shadow banned everywhere. I don't understand their weird system of having to farm karma first and such. apparently I must post half year on jr. /r/conspiracy before I'm allowed to post on actual /r/conspiracy.
I honestly think its just one or a few people actually defending him
Hard to tell now with the IP count gone
But anytime a thread is made I see a ton of samey posts about how
>Handwiener got BTFO!
I really don't care either way and I think Hanwiener is wrong, but it seems suspicious
been to /r/joerogan and there was some thread claiming fedora guy was an actual redditor. maybe a mod even
you need to go back
kek
go back just became a cope for losing an argument tho. But yeah, redditoids need to go back
Not really, Plenty of shit Hanwiener would make like ten points and that guy would do typical redditor bullshit like semi-disprove one and ignore the other stuff and act like he had disproved the whole thing. He was a giant homosexual.
Also him calling Hanwiener a white supremacist kek.
Rogan needs to have that fat aussie IT guy on to debate this guy instead. Hanwiener has never been a good debater, but the Aussie guy is pretty solid at really good niche things that are harder to disprove.
He's the type of woke redditor I loathe, the fact that we still have to agree with his arguments is just a testimony to how hard Hanwiener and his little scifi show got bodied by actual evidence.
It's really weird humans in homosexual sapien form have been around for 100k years but only started doing shit like 10k or 15k years ago. It's like what were we doing brofor the first 90k years bro
I mean it's not that surprising after what we now know about the somewhat accidental development of agriculture. It's initially a rather unguided process that takes several thousand years to wield significant effect to even make stuff like selective breeding viable. Every hiccup in the climate fricks up that process and you gotta start anew.
would some ancient johnny appleseed be an example of agriculture?
I don't get your point or analogy.
some kind of hunter gatherer moving across country planting trees in order to make apple cider later. I could totally see nomands planting bushes and whatnot along established migration roots and harvesting them on the fly instead of just having a dedicated patch of earth on a specific place they'll never leave.
Well, that's pretty much what evidence indicates the origins of agriculture are. I'm still at a loss figuring out what you are trying to say.
This knowledge was widely available with ot without Hanwiener's mysterious global civilization. Agriculture in itself would be taking it a step further and cultivating/selectively breeding these plants.
>He doesn't even know about my phallic chamber
90% of this hoaxers fame comes from him yelling how much "mainstream archaeology" despises him while that said "mainstream archaeology" goes about their job and maybe reminds the public every now and then that there are people cashing in on ignorance. It's entertaining, sure, but so is reality TV and both make the average IQ drop a point once again.
Why are the elites so terrified and angered by any historical revisionism?
What's going on?
Because people might question historical events that definitely happened goy
>elites so terrified
it's mostly actual archaeologists who are pissed off by this moron. nobody else gives a shit.
Here's an analogy that you might understand:
Imagine you're a surgeon or some other medical doctor. Some moron goes on the most popular podcast and starts "just asking questions" about a theoretical vestigial organ in the body, a fleegalblam, that absorbs unspecified "toxins" but can get infected and sometimes needs to be excised. It's clearly moronic to anyone who actually works with the human body, but for the next month and a half nearly every phone call your office gets is about people wanting to get their fleegalblam checked out or have it surgically removed, and soon you're spending more time explaining why it's bullshit than actually doing anything medical related.
got a different story. what about a guy being sent to the hospital over some mysterious seizure but then the doctors argue the patient is just imagining it and send him home. then after a few months of being shrugged of finally a homoepath argues it's a bad tooth, he gets it pulled and the issues go away.
It's also that the archaeologists are simply pissed because Graham actually makes good money by talking about his schizo theories. Writing grant applications takes up a sizeable portion of the work load for a non-celebrity researcher, especially in a field as autistic and bone dry as archaeology.
You can't really monetize anything you dig up or theories you come up with, unlike in many other fields of science that actually lead to monetizable inventions.
Think about how much you would seethe if someone found out a way to get people to pay them for shitposting on Cinemaphile.
>Think about how much you would seethe if someone found out a way to get people to pay them for shitposting on Cinemaphile.
You forgot the bit that if the surgeons just ignore the people asking about the fleeblegeeble, then they get accused of wanting to cover it.
I'm real suspicious on dating methods in general. No I will not get a doctorate in a relevant field over the course of 8 years of brainwashing at a liberal institution to legitimize my claims
It takes literally 10 minutes to learn the math behind isotope dating.
If you just accept what they tell you at face value and are able to recite it back to someone is that learning smart guy
That's not how it works you double moron. You can verify the the math and pure physics behind the methods independently of how they are used for isotope dating.
I think it is you whomsoever are the double moron nay might I say tripple?
You're so dumb it is kind of endearing. Want to frick me?
his crackpot theories are just recooked Erik von Daiken, with a bit of Lovecraft (ancient city in Antarctica) thrown in
And Daiken was just recycling shit from the 19th century that said aryans did it and he rewrote it to say aliens
most if not all of it is historically wrong
white sovereignty isn't contingent on whether "we wuz atlantis" or not lol
>If it existed we would find it
>What if it was hit by an a-bomb
>At the site yeah, but not everywhere else
Literally admits if it was hit by a meteor shower it would be gone as per Hanwiener's theory. So his argument is
>If there was an ancient civilisation we would see traces of it
>Unless it was wiped out
>But there is no evidence of it
>So it wasn't wiped out
>And it doesn't exist
>all evidence and traces of said civlization were wiped out
>but I just know it exists.
I've got your mom's nude polaroids in my top drawer. Prove me wrong.
Your drawer wasn't hit by asteroids so I can go in there and disprove it but I don't want to get cum on my hands.
Ahh so you could prove something but just choose not to. Got it.
Meanwhile I still have your mom's nudes.
You're a lonely incel on a forum mostly populated by other men--many of whom are homosexuals. I hope for your sake you have some woman's nudes to enjoy.
Just like Graham, you've got nothing but your hope.
>everyone talking about how graham is "le pro-aryan showin the monkeys real history"
He's a literal honeypot israelite op for pseudohistory perennialists like you and you ALL fell for it hook line and sinker
ANYONE who supports or distributes white power propaganda under the guise of Hanwiener is a israelite Black personLOVER
>make love at night in the dark
>literally can't see them
>or see how ugly they are
I can see the appeal
There's no appeal there? You're just excusing a downside
honesty felt bad for him. Literally had decades of research obliterated over the course of a couple of hours by some half rate archaeologist.
>WE RISKED OUR LIVES DIVING 10 FEET TO LOOK AT A BUNCH OF SQUARE ROCKS
This was the moment I went from wanting to believe Graham to realising he's a wacko
Graham excels at telling half truths. Is open water scuba diving at 90 feet inherently dangerous? Yes there are lots of things that can go wrong. Is it "risking your life?" No not really if you have a plan and a diving partner.
this wasn't just a random scuba dive, that actual area has nasty currents and supposedly it's an infamously difficult dive.
Graham got Dibbled by The Dibbler
>Bro you haven't searched the entire Sahara desert. How you know there's nothing there?
>*slides on second pair of glasses*
Why does he do it? lol, I noticed it too
I always liked thinking about doggerland and berengia. All that stuff is underwater now. And only submerged like 12k years ago or less. There's probably lots of places like that
wasn't there landbridge between indonesia and australia?
Yes the greater australian landmass was called Sahul
people that get mad at fringe theories are the same type of people that excommunicated Galileo. what's funny is that they imagine themselves as Galileo instead
Excuse me, mate. Were you there? No? Well, shut the frick up then.
graham booty blasted virgin dilbert dibble or whatever his name was. hiding his baldness under an indiana jones hat and spouting lies like a sperglord. SAD!
English, doc?
bottom line?
Flinty got Fingered
What actor am I thinking of that this guy looks like? That face is so familiar
Idris Elba
I figured it out 🙂
Yeah Graham got dribbled pretty hard by Flint. Graham’s stuff fell off a few pegs.
There’s no lost civ, there’s no lost adv tech, there’s no secret aliens, there’s no secret vibration technology. :/
another delusional dibblegobbler
I appreciate his desire to truly explore new sites, especially underwater. Dibble is a classic "stick to the approved research" midwit, terrified of making any statement that could challenge the field. It was blatantly obvious he has no vision and just wants to autistically categorize seeds
1) Flint dodged or otherwise did not answer MANY consequential questions
2) He was caught lying red-handed about statements tying Hanwiener to racism/white supremacy
3) Flint did a disservice to himself and fellow Archaeologists with his unprofessional demeanor, and persistent laughing at Graham’s arguments. (One of several reasons why the comment section on YouTube is eviscerating him)
3) The debate highlighted the failures of Establishment Archaeologists to do actual Archaeology
4) The many existing mysteries & unanswered questions related to our lost past is why the Establishment is going out of business
5) Lastly, his denial of the obvious manmade nature of Yonaguni, as well as the Sphinx water erosion damper what others think of his judgement
Graham Hanwiener Won, and the masses know it. Thanks for asking, have a nice day.
>1) Flint dodged or otherwise did not answer MANY consequential questions
graham had a ton of loaded questions that i understand he didnt want to answer.
Just accept it, Hancuck.
Excuse me, mate. Were you there? No? Well, shut the frick up then.
>Excuse me, mate. Were you there?
Let me guess, you also believe the Earth is flat, just because you were not sent to the Moon? If there there is no evidence, there is no reason to believe in something. Simple as.
why do so many people pretend that hanwiener made everything up out of thin air? yea he has no proof, but he explains why he believes in a lost civilization and is trying to look for proof.
that's it. no white supremacy, malice or any fraud involved.
>why do so many people pretend that hanwiener made everything up out of thin air? yea he has no proof, but he explains why he believes in a lost civilization and is trying to look for proof.
Speculating with no hard evidence whatsoever just because it 'would make sense to you' is the epitome of making something up out of thin air and dare I say...very female brained. A lot of it is also based on Hancuck's faulty or wrong conception of history...such as the numbers schizophrenia or his claim that Egyptians should not have had the technology to dril clean holes into rocks...even though that has easily been recreated with sand and copper tools by archeologists many years ago.
>no white supremacy, malice or any fraud involved.
True, debatable, false
you are moronic
>*You are moronic.
I corrected it for you.
the series was entertaining, but damn that site where it has all the pillars and he somehow ties it all to astronomy even though the pillars are facing all sorts of directions was BS.
>Hancuck is already being disgraced, though. It is just that the average person (You) is too stupid to listen to actual experts.
I knew lil bro sounded familiar
>No actual reply.
Yep, you sound like the average person.
>Let me guess, you also believe the Earth is flat, just because you were not sent to the Moon? If there there is no evidence, there is no reason to believe in something. Simple as.
>there are shortstack goblin enjoyers ITT
>no actual argument
Yep, Vaush enjoys short stack goblins, and Graham unwittingly promotes the supremacy of the White Race as per Dribble
Love this guy. He just presents facts discovered by scientists that contradict the current narrative. Do the fraudulent archaeologists update their disproven narratives to reflect current scientific data? Of course not, they simply have the Egyptian authorities ban the scientists from the country and doubledown on their disproven theories. Then decades later they finally begrudgingly admit the scientific data presented by Hanwiener was correct and quietly update the records.
Poor mans Erich von Däniken
>Erich von Däniken
poor man's Zecharia Sitchin
>Sitchin was born to a israeli family in Baku, the capital of then Soviet Azerbaijan, and raised in Mandatory Palestine
Frick off commie israelite
>Zecharia Sitchin
Poor man's Ignatius L. Donnelly