also pop-religion gays like viv seem to really attach to jesus, he's usually the one guy who's not a meanie in the bible in their eyes
everyone is le ebil and god is a bastard but for some reason jesus is always the goode boye and i wonder why
but regardless if he does appear she's probably gonna have him do the "um actually you're all wrong and bad and the sinners are all good actually" and totally school them like the main character in every tumblr story where everyone stands up and claps at the end
Jesus represents forgiveness to them.
...without them realising "forgiveness" is conditional, and only if you follow Jesus' teachings, which include being chaste, humble, hardworking, praying to god, and not being a gay.
nah they don't, they think Jesus is a radical surfer dude who'll give everyone forgiveness without having to follow his path. That's why they like him: they think he'd let them be sinful forever and also give them a free pass into heaven. Jesus accepts the sinful and gives them a chance to redeem themselves, he doesn't allow people to continue being disgusting sinful gays for their entire lives then reward them for free.
The only true sin in my eyes is making the people around you miserable. Rape, torture, just being rude, etc. Kindness is where Heaven comes from
I'm not an authority on religion, it's just how I feel about it.
I never understood why people separate Jesus and God the father.
They think one is a dick and one is nice but the theologically that doesn't make sense.
it is still stated to be a separate 'person' according to tradition.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I never understood why people separate Jesus and God the father
Iirc the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father only
Christianity doesn't understand the trinity.
It is just something they have and accept.
Dont accept any loony theologian that tries to say otherwise.
Alright so it should be noted that the underlying idea of how the Trinity works isn't unique to Christianity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_(religion)
3 months ago
Anonymous
homie you contributed nothing to the conversation there.
When Jesus was baptized by John, all three were distinctly separate from each other. Jesus was in the water, the Holy Spirit descended upon him (meaning he was without it until he was baptized), and then God the Father spoke from Heaven, meaning Jesus and God are separate.
The reason they are all considered the same entity is because Arianism was executed in the Church’s infancy to separate it from paganism and to better equate it to Judaism. The Catholic Church was always rotten because of this, which is why the Knights Templar and other knightly organizations had initiation rituals that required neophytes to actively reject canon Church iconography and denounce Church teachings.
anon don't try to reason about it. That whole works vs faith (but the faith makes you do the works) bullshit is just another paradox that Christians don't understand but accept.
Despite loser theologians trying to work it into a coherent message.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>works vs faith (but the faith makes you do the works)
It's true, though. If you believe riding a bike causes cancer or something, you'll naturally not want to ride a single bike in your life.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>People dont want do things they know that causes them cancer >like smoking >or sun exposure >or sugar >or oral sex
3 months ago
Anonymous
Smoking, sugar and blowjobs are addictive, though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>oral sex causes cancer
what
3 months ago
Anonymous
it spreads HPV which is the most common std in the planet (1 in 3 men have it) and most every one is too old to vaccinate against it (thanks republicans)
3 months ago
Anonymous
>every one is too old to vaccinate against it >Americans don't have mandatory vaccinations
Lmao wtf??
3 months ago
Anonymous
I take it you are unfamiliar with American's views on vaccines
3 months ago
Anonymous
I know some morons think they cause autism, same with my country, but there's a list of mandatory vaccinations everyone has to get in their childhood so it's basically a non-issue. I genuinely thought it was the same in America.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Overall it is but it's not difficult to receive idealogical or religous exemptions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The HPV vaccine isnt really mandatory or if it is now, its a very recent thing, and once you're over 25 you're too old for it
Americans didnt make it mandatory because "lmao missionary and abstinence only" cuckservatives
3 months ago
Anonymous
You’re too old for it at 25 because at that age, you’re assumed to be sexually active and therefore already exposed to HPV. In which case, everyone on this board can still get the vaccine
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe try not sucking dick?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>try not sucking dick?
>doesnt realize this applies to girlfriends sucking dick >doesnt know this also aplies to eating pussy
You fricking cuck lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
>eating pussy
lol, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggot
3 months ago
Anonymous
if eating pussy makes you gay, then sign me up for the parade
3 months ago
Anonymous
Theophilus, don't perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog!
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm fricking trying man it's just too hard they're all so juicy
3 months ago
Anonymous
Faith inspires works, but genuine faith is what is actually the driving factor in salvation. Works without Faith are meaningless. It was in protest of Catholic beliefs that sacrements had power in and of themselves to bring salvation.
lol that discussion is going to boil down to you think Jesus meant by "believe in me"
3 months ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't say so. Pretty much the entirety of Jesus' ministry consisted on bashing those who upheld the Old Testament law, professed faith in God, but failed to comprehend the spirit of the law(Love God/Love your Neighbor).
It's largely a semantic argument with the Catholic church highlighting the importance of the works component because it strengthened the influence of the priesthood, as only they were ordained to perform the sacraments they claimed saved souls, while the Protestants saw many Sacraments as unbiblical.
3 months ago
Anonymous
it seems the issue of comprehending the 'spirit of the law' is just be able to honestly reason through the statements being made.
3 months ago
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Even Protestants I would say are fundamentally flawed in their execution. Jesus was far more focused on the importance of the Esoteric as opposed to the exoteric, and far too much importance is placed upon the organization of the church and observation on law and customs as opposed to genuine self reflection, redemption, and brotherhood.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>works vs faith
But it's not works vs faith, it's faith alone vs faith + works. Dummy
3 months ago
Anonymous
Faith inspires works, but genuine faith is what is actually the driving factor in salvation. Works without Faith are meaningless. It was in protest of Catholic beliefs that sacrements had power in and of themselves to bring salvation.
not really.
Jesus believed that if Divine Ordainement was beyond you, your ultimate ascencion could still be achieved by doing your best to channel his word
>for some reason jesus is always the goode boye and i wonder why
People who grew up with religious influences will tend to hear a lot of just basic humane sentiments attributed rightly or wrongly to JC, especially when contrasted with other parts of Christianity, and tend to associate him with the softer side of the religion. He is the poster boy for forgiveness, after all.
Yeah, but this is where it gets weird. If you read the Bible, Jesus's reason for forgiveness is akin to why the average person would forgive a child.
The number of Biblical stories where he basically says "ugh, seriously guys?" is pretty consistent.
I'd say that would be a good way to portray him. Just have him be tired. He literally died once over all this and now they wanna bring him out again to settle everything and he just stands there with a cup of coffee and bags under his eyes, takes a sip and says "No. I'm sick of cleaning up your messes. Figure it out yourselves this time."
Yeah, not to mention that Biblical Jesus constantly calls out the idea that people were going to twist what he said left and right. Certain apocrypha has him going into hell and redeeming the sinners who came before his time. He's frequently annoyed whenever Satan shows up and tries to tempt him.
Make it that Biblical Jesus was the guy who went out of his way to sort out all the shit that everyone else had caused and that Lucifer was too proud to let Jesus take charge of the situation. Jesus redeeming sinners was a blow to Lucifer's ego which caused Lucifer to frick up the system Jesus had been creating, which prevented Jesus from being able to set up a redemption system in Hell. Lucifer later tried to set one up and was shot down. Now Jesus is jaded and annoyed that they're basically all going through the same shit as back then.
Maybe a scene where Lucifer has to go to him and say "Look man, you were right about me, I was being an egotistical idiot, but my daughter isn't me so please give her a chance."
>The number of Biblical stories where he basically says "ugh, seriously guys?" is pretty consistent. >now they wanna bring him out again to settle everything and he just stands there with a cup of coffee and bags under his eyes, takes a sip and says "No. I'm sick of cleaning up your messes. Figure it out yourselves this time."
So he should carry a symbol of a cross in brotherhood with you carrying a symbol of a cross in veneration of him being nailed to a cross? Seems recursive.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He doesn't need to carry a cross, but it's more endearing that he does as a symbol of brotherhood. As for people carrying crosses they don't necessarily need to carry crosses as a sign of faith, a cross doesn't absolve one's sins, so it's more like a reminder of how to conduct onesself in life.
But realistically the reason why Jesus is carrying a cross is because artists think people are too stupid to know who the regular looking person is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>it's more endearing that he does as a symbol of brotherhood
It wasn't enough to torture him to death now you want him to dress up nice for you?
>Charlie, enthusiastic about meeting the most famous "Redeemer" on Earth, excitedly grabs and shakes his hand >Flinches and pulls back to see her palms covered in blood. >"Sorry about that."
>Finally solves the problem by dumping a pile of snow on her because it's not technically "water". >She's thankful but freezing, eventually resulting in her sneezing >someone says "Oh my! God bless you, dear!" >Bursts back into flames.
Literally what is this non-criticism?
The show is focused on a clown faced bisexual who's friend with a spider, a radio host, and various losers.
Are we, no, YOU really expecting medieval paintings or something?
its called moronation anon. The antis lost a lot of their arguments and are grasping at straws now.
Most of the people who spam threads criticizing the show are mentally unstable neets who just have a hate boner for vizie.
its called moronation anon. The antis lost a lot of their arguments and are grasping at straws now.
Most of the people who spam threads criticizing the show are mentally unstable neets who just have a hate boner for vizie.
When you used established stuff like Christianity, and do interpretations wildly different from what is established, these questions will naturally come up.
Dude I sincerely doubt anybody looked at Disney IPs based on pre-established fairytales and was like WTF THIS ISN'T ACCURATE?????
Yes obviously someone somewhere said something like that but come on. It really is just a non-criticism.
That's mainly because most people aren't really familiar with the original source material of the fairytales. If they were more like christianity in terms of influence, people would be doing the same thing.
He wasn’t dark-skinned, he was always white in all portrayals and art just like Jesus.
But he had dark hair, was a working class fisherman, and his personality was being rough, angry, getting into fights, being uncertain if he really cares that much about god and betraying Jesus at last when he was due to be crucified. This twink theatre kid gay moaning high notes like he’s getting his butt rammed isn’t Peter the Apostle.
Jesus was never born, that’s why Heaven and Hell are fricked up in the Hazbin universe and why despite being the face of Christianity, he has never been referenced
maybe we don't see him for the same reason we don't see God, Eve or Lilith >or maybe God stays away from his creations for he fears what he has created
What like the holy spirit? I hate Judeo-Christian lore. It's like they were smoking something when they wrote it. If it's even the original considering how much it's been translated.
in fairness back then they all assumed sons carried part of the souls of their fathers. As explanation why they tended to look the same and act the same.
So if Jesus Christ doesn’t show up, are they ever gonna explain why his name still exists as an expletive in this universe? Or are we just supposed to ignore that?
Actually kind of curious that Lucifer is even allowed to make that kind of communication. The first meeting with Adam seemed more like they called him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sera says she wants to smooth things over with him because she’s scared he might declare war. So that’s probably why she keeps the line open for him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He clearly does not think highly of the sinners himself, how could he declare war with those idiots at his back. And heaven can seemingly peek into hell whenever they wish, I think. Had to use a drone to find the body before, still. They should be able to monitor a potential uprising without Lucifer having to call them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, once a country gets spy satellites on its enemies it makes sense to immediately shut down all diplomatic communications.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He said they wouldn't listen, what diplomatic comms?
And how the hell do spy satellites get a direct look into a crowded club? They have far more capable spying power.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There is a embassy. Saying they wont listen to her preaentation or his request for an audience doesn't automatically mean they are completely closed to communications.
3 months ago
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> He clearly does not think highly of the sinners himself, how could he declare war with those idiots at his back.
Not sure if Sera really knows that he feels that way. She seems simply paranoid, even though her fears are unfounded.
>And heaven can seemingly peek into hell whenever they wish, I think. They should be able to monitor a potential uprising without Lucifer having to call them.
Considering that Lucifer is their former peer and friend, they might not obsessively spy on him all the time out of simple politeness. Also if they’re scared of him, they might not do it because they don’t want him to find out and get pissed off. And watching him would be a real downer, especially for them. Adam says he doesn’t even want to go visit Hell because it sucks so hard.
3 months ago
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>Adam says he doesn’t even want to go visit Hell because it sucks so hard.
Wait a minute, is he forcing himself to be in Hell against his will?
The Lucifer/Alastor song itself makes it obvious that Alastor is lying and is just saying shit to agitate Lucifer.
But Charlie is genuinely so ‘Tarded that Al’ saying some platitudes about how much he’s helped her and how they’ve got a bond with each other is all it takes for her to buy it and start basically cooing over him during the song.
Aside from the probability of Alastor continuing to weaponize his relationship with Charlie to antagonize Lucifer for snubbing him not much. Charlie's unlikely to leave vegana any time soon, even with the forced relationship drama stapled on to the end of e6.
Where are the historical figures in the Heaven and Hell of Hazbin Hotel, like Hitler, Stalin, Caligula, Al Capone, Boss Tweed, Genghis Khan, Albert Fish, Elizabeth Bathroy, Rasputin and Dante in Hell along with Elvis, Pope John Paul II, Abraham Lincoln, Jimi Hendrix, Isaac Newton, John Lennon, Joan of Arc and Queen Elizabeth II (as an added ripped from the headlines and added at the last minute gag) in Heaven
>Abraham Lincoln
Shut up Cletus. Time for another march to the sea. I think Viz said those souls get vaporized instantly. Would have been better if they were just a cutaway gag like Jeffrey Dahmer's cooking show.
Well that’s bullshit. We’re supposed to believe the mist influential people in history got nowhere in hell because they’re heckin racist but gaylastor is somehow in charge
I do wonder how does Hell deal with Dictators, since after they are deposed and killed they would likely have a large amount of followers in Hell and they would get a rather large powerbase from the start.
So we know Vaggie is an exterminator Angel, Who probably isn’t ‘related’ to anyone and is just like a clone trooper born in a pod or smth, And Charlie is Lucifer and Lilith’s daughter.
We know that the rest of the male members of Angel Dusts family are in hell with him, And his twin sister is in heaven.
If we take the pilot as canon, then Pentious potentially had a son, and obviously would have had a father and mother, who, since he lived and died in the 1800s, Should all be dead by now, but we don’t know their status.
What is the assumed status of any relatives of Husk, Niffty and Alastor?
>Spider being put on a literal leash by the moth >Sparkledog talks about how he’s also on a leash >Initially I think he’s just trying to relate / being metaphorical >Oh no, In Episode 5 the deer literally spawns a another literal leash and puts it around his neck. >Oh and also the deer is ‘on a leash’ which means we’ll probably also see him getting tossed around at some point by one >Another scene of the spider being put on a leash again and beaten in the next episode.
This an ‘authors barely disguised fetish’ thing isn’t it?
I don’t know what scenes xeir storyboarded but Raph actually advertised some keychain she / her friend was selling where it’s Alastor holding Husk by a leash which is the exact colour they actually used in the show, so I think the Alastor beating down Husk scene may have been another Raph diamond
You know if they just changed that and just said the exterminators whacked ANYONE in hell, Hellborn or not, the silly “kids? In hell?” Argument kinda vanishes and Vaggies backstory become at least ‘decent’
>Lucifer is at least on the same level of power as Alastor
i dont know about y'all but I got the sense Lucifer was so absurdly powerful, that dick measuring with alastor was beneath him.
In fact, the song made it pretty obvious, like Short King was offering champagne fountains and caviar, he'll rig the rules for you babe while Alastor was going "Y-YEAH CHARLIE BUT COME ON, ARENT I LIKEABLE? WE'RE FRIENDS!!! I MAKE YOU LAUGH" without anything to actually offer
Desperate AF
In fact Alastor came across a bit weak by how provoked he was by Lulu, even demeaning himself into flexing his power Kaiju mode instead of just summoning tentacle portals and going into a brawl with NPC's.
He was scarier when he was beating overlords at cards.
Which mind you I'm not complaining, I loved seeing alastor being taken down a peg in a way that makes him complex
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I feel like Michael is one Vivzie isn't gonna touch. If he isn't one of the exterminators, it makes no sense considering a huge part of his biblical role is beating up Satan
1 month from extermination already?
Holy hell the plot is moving at breaking neck speed the final episode will crash hard if it continues like this.
Are they that afraid that audiences will lose interest and blowing their load or is it just the way Viz do things? I haven't watched Helluva.
HB is infinitely better than HH when it comes pacing, at least in their first season, HB doesn't overwhelm you with tons of stuff, or makes the viewer feel that they wanted to put on the table everything right away
Nah this one is on Viv, you can tell that she was so scared that this thing weren't getting another season that she forced everything she could in this one
Worse? How? This is a web series, not a tv serial. Even 20 episodes isn't unreasonable, especially after what 4 to 5 years? I mean you can still see obvious mistakes in the show and frick that shaky zoom in and out cam especially. Either she had no faith in this potentially getting more seasons or it was an Amazon agreement to make more as like many streaming service they don't want ton of episodes per season due to costs.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like the story will be almost over in episode 8 though. She rushed that too fast. I'm sorry what I'm saying doesn't make sense but I simply have no imagination to imagine what other episodes could be about. This is all just a mess and I enjoy the cringe fandom and the episodes we have already so I don't feel a need for more even if it would be nice but I don't know how it would be like so I just can't care
Yeah i'm surprised at how fast everything is going. Given how the pilot was paced (and Helluva Boss) I thought we'd be getting at least 10-12 episodes, with a focuse more on the day to day of the hotel and trying to redeem angel dust or any of the other sinners.
I know right, this is like one of the few shows people would consume episodes of the characters just hanging around without complaints but we got just plot reveal after plot reveal with more plot reveal
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Alastor checks pretty much all these boxes and was very likely inspired by characters of that archetype. If Hazbin Hotel had released 10 years earlier, he would have hit tumblr like crack in low income neighbourhoods.
>Charlie actually says "Thanks Dad" along with Lucifer's clones when he gives her the family rate
Aw that's cute.
I'm not crazy about the estranged father angle being used again as opposed to Daddy's girl naturally evolving into youthful rebellion inspired by what Lucifer preached but didn't practice. I would have sworn they were building up to him being more domineering and overly protective of his daughter while absolutely dismissive of the Sinners, which he pretty much is but they just made him estranged and socially awkward as well even though he pretty does all the same stuff.
Lucifer is just another part of the show that seems rushed. It feels like we should really have gotten a whole episode presenting him as a callous aloof sarcastic butthole, and then had the heart to heart with his daughter in a later episode. You can almost hear the set up in the phone conversation they have - if we'd only had Charlie's point of view Lucifer would have come across as the disinterested prick Charlie's "daddy issues" set us up to expect him to be.
There is a debacle now about scene with Pentious getting raped by a lot of people being another inconsistency and I decided to maybe rewrite it a little. Maybe the Sinners who get him after he says he will frick everyone take him outback, but instead of raping him Sinners are telling Pentious about how he needs to man up and get the girl he wants and stop acting like this and Pentious goes:
Pentious: >You are all so nice... Why are you all in Hell?
One buff Sinner looking like a bull: >One day was angry... Stumbled on annoying kid, punched that one 'til them stopped movin'. Got send to jail a bit la'er. Got the chair. Uncomfortable piece of junk.
Another, female dog looking one one: >Jumped one guy, rode him, got him hooked up on stuff before. Guy was traumatized, think he offed themself later. Not before they did me in.
Another one, small looking like a purple shadow of a man with horns: >Burned a house to the ground after trying to steal from it. Bunch of people burned. Dead. Got boozed afterwards and got hit by car.
Bull from the start: >We all did our share to be 'ere. But not enough for it to be all that we is. We did enough to get why we 'ere... an enough to regret.
silence falls over the room
Female Sinner: > 'Tis what this place is for. Consent. It for sinners who did wrong and want to not do wrong no more. We all regret, we all have to live with it. We all want to fix it...
Shadow Demon: >We got all eternity for it. And you too. If you do not get it with this Cyclop gal so what? Another good is bound to fall here sooner or later. That's how this place works.
Pentious: >I... I did a lot of wrong... I remember. Do I deserve something better?
Bull Demon: >Who knows? What do you think? You think you deserve it?
Pentious: >...
Bull Demon: >Don't answer. Go out there and find out champ.
Bull places his hand firmly on Pentious's shoulder and pushes him out the door
Glad you enjoy it. Overall I would like more comradery like this from Sinners. Not them being some innocent angels really, but people who were genuinely awful, but came to regret their decisions, but also are not angry over being in Hell. I wish there was more nuance like this in the show.
I would like it more if it was like a prison, people are always at their edge, there's constant fights and deubachery but most people keep to themselves and don't trust anyone they didn't already know before getting there.
I personally would strive for more variety. Some Sinners are on edge while some others are more relaxed as they accepted where they are. Some keep on being terrible, while some others gain new perspective thanks to their new position like here
There is a debacle now about scene with Pentious getting raped by a lot of people being another inconsistency and I decided to maybe rewrite it a little. Maybe the Sinners who get him after he says he will frick everyone take him outback, but instead of raping him Sinners are telling Pentious about how he needs to man up and get the girl he wants and stop acting like this and Pentious goes:
Pentious: >You are all so nice... Why are you all in Hell?
One buff Sinner looking like a bull: >One day was angry... Stumbled on annoying kid, punched that one 'til them stopped movin'. Got send to jail a bit la'er. Got the chair. Uncomfortable piece of junk.
Another, female dog looking one one: >Jumped one guy, rode him, got him hooked up on stuff before. Guy was traumatized, think he offed themself later. Not before they did me in.
Another one, small looking like a purple shadow of a man with horns: >Burned a house to the ground after trying to steal from it. Bunch of people burned. Dead. Got boozed afterwards and got hit by car.
Bull from the start: >We all did our share to be 'ere. But not enough for it to be all that we is. We did enough to get why we 'ere... an enough to regret.
silence falls over the room
Female Sinner: > 'Tis what this place is for. Consent. It for sinners who did wrong and want to not do wrong no more. We all regret, we all have to live with it. We all want to fix it...
Shadow Demon: >We got all eternity for it. And you too. If you do not get it with this Cyclop gal so what? Another good is bound to fall here sooner or later. That's how this place works.
Pentious: >I... I did a lot of wrong... I remember. Do I deserve something better?
Bull Demon: >Who knows? What do you think? You think you deserve it?
Pentious: >...
Bull Demon: >Don't answer. Go out there and find out champ.
Bull places his hand firmly on Pentious's shoulder and pushes him out the door
all is still terrible and they have to live through terrible torment, but all of them react differently to it. Also in what I wrote there I would put this music over it
I say probably the same with maybe some of them looking at them with more judging look. All of them did terrible things and came to regret. One of them there murdered a kid after all because of being pissed off at something. They are all terrible people that did terrible things, but want to at least somewhat atone or just not harm anyone else.
Satan and Lucifer being separate is one of the least odd spins this show could have done. It's the tradition among most major denominations that they're presented as the same beings but it's something that's easily debatable, particularly when you start dabbling with Gnostic ideas that the Serpent in the garden convincing Adam and Eve to eat the fruit was actually a good guy, where as Satan in the Old Testament is generally presented as an active figure in heaven judging humanity overall as wicked.
Come to think of it Adam in this show pretty much plays the role of Satan in the book of Job.
i guess i cant blame viv entirely. medieval demonologists were fricking moronic for the seven princes of hell concept.
frick the english for making lucifer a thing anyways by equating the morning star "falling" to that canaanite bullshit about venus challenging the heavens. roman lucifer did nothing wrong
I believe that Satan hasn't been named even once in the bible, it's just the "enemy".
We don't know the name of the designed fallen angel, he's just the enemy and other titles but has no name like the angel Gabriel.
I wonder if the history of him being one of most wonderful angels once was also bullshit.
the vulgate and later medieval christianity (especially) took a lot of creative liberties with the bible.
as far as i'm aware, there are no fallen angels in original scripture
I believe that Satan hasn't been named even once in the bible, it's just the "enemy".
We don't know the name of the designed fallen angel, he's just the enemy and other titles but has no name like the angel Gabriel.
I wonder if the history of him being one of most wonderful angels once was also bullshit.
Alright this is where things get dumb.
The fallen angels first show up in the Book of Enoch, which is considered non-canonical because reasons. To rectify this, the church took a random passage from Isaiah that is most likely about a Babylonian king and said that it was actually detailing how Satan fell, this is where we get Lucifer, but the result is now the church had to basically make up Satan lore. Then the Black Plague happened, and Satan sorta got a huge popularity boost as Europe got steadily more obsessed with the concept of death and the Catholic church came up with the vast majority of how we view hell, demons, et cetera.
nta but if i understand things right >satan (name) and lilith was never part of the bible >lilith was from some israeli folktale that somehow became part of the bible >idk where satan is from, but he somehow got a place in the bible >there was a fallen angel in the og bible but he was never named. he later became named "satan" and it stuck. >lucifer wasnt from the bible either, but became part of the bible and was confused with satan somehow >there was never a devil all along, or there is but it is not named
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Wait, so we don't even know who the devil is?
"The Devil's greatest trick was convincing others that he exists." or however that quote went
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lilith never became apart of the Bible. She's a mesopotamian demon who was given an origin story as a israeli folktale in 700AD as a means of explaining the Genesis 1-2 paradox where God seemingly creates women twice.
I repeat myself
Yeah, pretty much all demon lore is
either >Canaanite/Babylonian deities >church interpretation, >apocrypha >shit that someone just made up in the middle ages
3 months ago
Anonymous
> as a means of explaining the Genesis 1-2 paradox where God seemingly creates women twice.
How'd they explain the different order of animal and man creation?
That's not really true. Revelation has a pretty explicit story of Michael and "The Dragon" battling in heaven resulting in The Dragon's fall to Earth and then to Hell. It's just that the character of Satan the Accuser has been merged with like 5 others people mentioned through out the bible, and then the assumption he's half the bad people mentioned in Revelation under a dozen different names.
It's not as if early Christianity was at all theologically aligned with itself. There were countless sects, both israeli and Gentile, with wildly different interpretations often influenced by what specific Apostle talked to them and then interpreted through their own mythos and understanding of the Supernatural.
That's not really true. Revelation has a pretty explicit story of Michael and "The Dragon" battling in heaven resulting in The Dragon's fall to Earth and then to Hell. It's just that the character of Satan the Accuser has been merged with like 5 others people mentioned through out the bible, and then the assumption he's half the bad people mentioned in Revelation under a dozen different names.
It's not as if early Christianity was at all theologically aligned with itself. There were countless sects, both israeli and Gentile, with wildly different interpretations often influenced by what specific Apostle talked to them and then interpreted through their own mythos and understanding of the Supernatural.
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Alright this is where things get dumb.
The fallen angels first show up in the Book of Enoch, which is considered non-canonical because reasons. To rectify this, the church took a random passage from Isaiah that is most likely about a Babylonian king and said that it was actually detailing how Satan fell, this is where we get Lucifer, but the result is now the church had to basically make up Satan lore. Then the Black Plague happened, and Satan sorta got a huge popularity boost as Europe got steadily more obsessed with the concept of death and the Catholic church came up with the vast majority of how we view hell, demons, et cetera.
I believe that Satan hasn't been named even once in the bible, it's just the "enemy".
We don't know the name of the designed fallen angel, he's just the enemy and other titles but has no name like the angel Gabriel.
I wonder if the history of him being one of most wonderful angels once was also bullshit.
afaik in many occult circles, Satan is a personification of the material world itself and not really an individual being, but i could be talking outta my ass
Yeah, pretty much all demon lore is
either >Canaanite/Babylonian deities >church interpretation, >apocrypha >shit that someone just made up in the middle ages
3 months ago
Anonymous
Making Lucifer Helel was so uncalled for.
Why did they do that to him. He din do nuthin
the demiurge did nothing wrong, homie is doing his best, leave him alone!
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
the demiurge did nothing wrong, homie is doing his best, leave him alone!
kek, he's just like me fr fr.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He kinda is. He just needs to let the last vestiges of divinity leave. If he wasn't trapping it in and just went full material we could all be comfortably numb under his rule.
3 months ago
Anonymous
TLDR on this lion snake guy
I know X gays love him but what his deal?
3 months ago
Anonymous
LARPs as God but isn't and is too dumb to realise it. Created imperfect material reality.
Also Saturn.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine divinity is a big family but they have a kid who is allergic to divinity. He makes himself a little bubble like the dude who was allergic to oxygen and plays with himself.
The rest of divinity is pissed as frick at him though because he still needs to breathe. For them it's all or nothing if you can't be a normal God you shouldn't exist.
Cosmologically speaking reality is the tard bubble. The rest of divinity is trying to rip humanity out so Demi can suffer alone instead of playing with dolls.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Demiurge is a fallen angel that created humanity so that he can be like God. He failed and as such we are I'm perfect.
Gnosticism is a branch off of early Christianity. They believe that the true creator wouldn't make an imperfect being like humanity so we must have been made by an imperfect creator thus the demiurge who isn't perfect made us calling himself our creator and saying that the true God was the devil. These followers reject the demiurge and must attone for being born imperfect and that being alive is an affront to God's love and as such must make themselves worthy of God.
Basically
3 months ago
Anonymous
By killing themselves?
Is this from where all the white robes suicide sects with poisoned ponches portrayed as a meme in many medias reffer to?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not at all. If anything the original Christianity was a doomsday cult as they believed the end times was coming very soon. It's why some sects today only believe a very few people will go to heaven because at the time it was reasonable to say only a couple thousand sand people were good enough to earn Gods mercy. They were expecting things to wrap up in a generation or two. It's also why some israelites believe they are living in the end times.
All semetic religions are obsessed with the End Times in a way other religions are not. Not even their Mother religion cared about it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>mother religion
what is that? What was the Semetic mother religion?
prisca theologia my Black person. All most all contemporary religion comes from Sumeria.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How is Buddhism tier six when it's older than Christianity and is branch off of Hinduism which just as old as Judaism
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because the tiers aren't eras but evolutions with a bit of padding so things weren't entirely jumbled.
Sumerian->Bablyonian->Hititte->Ancient Hindu->Hindu->Buddhism->Contemporary Shinto
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ahhh Roger that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No. Gnosticism was a big leagues but heavily suppressed early Christian heresy. The suicide cult references are to a handful of late twentieth century US religious groups.
In reality, the Christian Devil is a very nebulous concept. It wasn't really until the Medieval era that ideas/lore about him were solidified in various sects of Christianity because they just didn't exist lol
Not really. The satan in the desert that tried to tempt Jesus isn't "SATAN" is quite literally the word for obstacle. As in Jesus needs to overcome the obstacle of temptation. The satan for Job wasn't "Satan" either but an angel questioning if Job was in fact God's most devout faithful.
Also Abadon isn't a fallen angel Revelation straight up says he's an angel of death waiting for the Lord's command to release his legions.
The snake that told Eve to take the apple from the tree isn't named. Adam's first wife, Lilith, is canon in Judaism but not Christianity. Satan and Lucifer are different people but like the original 9 sins dumbed down to 7, Satan and Lucifer became the same person. Lucifer being chained to the coldest part of hell is from the epic Dante's Inferno which was only made because the Italians thought poeple weren't taking going to hell seriously enough.
In Hazbin Hotel continuinity Lucifer is a certified cuckold >No one respects him >None of the Overlords of Hell give a shit about him >Adam, the first man, his rival doesn't even care about him >His wife literally took his child and served him divorced papers >Has a meltdown in public because the radio demon touched his daughter's shoulder >His only child has zero angelic features and looks more like a demon than him
Yeah, Lucifer lost hard.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure he doesn't care about the opinions of demons, or Adam. He's just sad because his wife ran off.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't Lucifer a title that meant "morning star"? not a person?
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, kind of.
think of lucifer as basically a personification of the planet venus, but also "the morning star" itself too.
lucifer worked as both a common and proper noun, which is where the confusion originates in the bible, as he was referred to as a common noun until the english translation, which i believe was the wycliffe bible, used it in proper form, which spurred his integration into christian lore.
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No. It's anglicised Latin meaning "bearer/bringer of light" in the same way pine trees are conifers (bearer of cones) and aquifer (bearer of water).
Embrace the original texts. Retvrn to Enoch. Read the israeli extended lore. Go full sanddemon mode.
Or... don't. Read the Babylonian texts and realize the Torah is just really, REALLY, shit israeli fanfiction and monotheism was the first trick they ever pulled. Embrace the Hititte Thousand Pantheon instead and realize that most religions spawned from there (and sumeria and babylon that led to it).
Yeah and it's funny that denying his existence fell just into his plans if you think about it, so you end up paranoid thinking you're playing right into his hands by just uncovering that some people on the middle-ages made a mess on the bible by throwing names around. or maybe that's what he wants you to think
there's no "devil" there's many "Satans" or "Accusers" in Judeo-Christian Apocrypha, you have God's "Chief Accuser" (ha-Satan) that prosecutes the nation of Judah (the israelites), Some schollars like to call him Satanael (folloing the -el -iel -ael suffixes in angel names) This one is complicated because he's explicitly working for Yesh me-Ayin (you may know him as God or YHWH) and is given control of the fallen angels and thier children with human women (nephilim) which is what Charlie would be in hazbin if we're using 1:1 terminology, in order to to tempt humans to sin and punish them. This is not because Satanael is rebelling like Lucifer did, but rather because it's his fricking job to tempt humans in order to test their "free will" to commit evil and to put them through the crucible towards purification. Fallen Angels are not evil, they each have their jobs to do on earth, to watch humanity directly. Problem is Asbeel (one of the watchers) was very likely seduced by a human woman and he, not having free will had sex with her and ended up convincing the other watcher angels to frick human women as well...aka. It's all women's fault...again...
3 months ago
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I already explained that to him and others. israeli Satan exists to taddle humans on God for falling in temptation. He is a narc and God lets him do things as long he doesn't kill people in the process. Mastema is way worse than Satan anyway.
3 months ago
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>Fallen Angels are not evil
Someone needs to reread Enoch >mentions how they are evil after this statement >fails to mention their eternal punishment
Lmao. Also frick the grigori. Also frick you for acting like it was just prostitutes. There's loads of shit about hiding hair and all that. Divinity is as flawed as anything else given God had to tell chicks to stop letting their hair out lest angels rape 'em.
The modern idea of Satan is a weird chain of events
>Jews come up with the idea of Ha-Satan, God's prosecutor/narc/gatekeeper to test and tempt humanity >Zoroaster's stuff gets introduced to Judaism and they adopt it in the form of the myths of the Watchers (Fallen Angels) who teach humans how to society and act as Promethean figures, they're banished to Earth and become demons >the second book of Enoch introduces Satanael, the only Watcher who was banished to fall forever in a bottomless pit for daring to think himself higher than God >Christianity gets created >Christians proceed to merge Ha-Satan with Satanael and the Serpent from Genesis into the Satan most Christians think of today >Paradise Lost and plenty of other Satan fanfiction made in the modern era, blah blah and you know the rest
Being Alastor's pet....
But he wouldn't even need to beat me in a card game.
I'd just sorta do whatever he wanted voluntarily, Which would seem strange to him.
>predictions for last episode >they are going to prove a demon can recieve redemption >adam is going to lose his wings and get kicked to hell >alistor is going to backstab charlie and reveal his real plans. >charlie's mom shows up in the end to save charlie.
It's a shame. If the show just followed a more conventional interpretation of hell and the role of demons and sinners as well as keeping heaven more benevolent on the surface at least then what Charlie is doing might carry some actual weight.
Instead these are essentially just two cities orbiting earth claiming their respective titles but really not having any of their meaningful qualities. Hell is essentially just urban California.
I imagine the end goal is just Hell turning into a massive rehab center.
no the redmption will be allowed but heaven will get invaded as well at some point. Lucifer will die.
seaphim will die.
Or they kick everyone into hell and try to improve it because the show is made by a person that hates religion
R8 my theory >The exterminations serve to keep Hell's population under control, which keeps Hell's resources from being drained and indirectly improves the livelihoods of other demons (which the angels consider an act of mercy) and ensures that Hell's threat level to the mortal world and Heaven is kept in check. >But it also serves a hidden purpose only Sera and top-brass angels know: the Holy Spirit, the essence of life itself that is given freely from God to humans when they are created, is finite in nature. When humanity's population was small, it was easy for God to give generously; this is why the oldest demons in Hell are also the strongest, because they were given more of the Holy Spirit. But as they grew into the millions/billions, and the dead grew along with them, God has to portion out smaller contributions of the Holy Spirit to each newborn. Over time, if nothing is done, humans would barely have a shred of life to them from birth and God soon after would be reduced to non-existence. >This is where the exterminations come in. Exorcising a demon is not the same as 'killing it', you can't kill that which is already dead. The 'exterminations' are actually returning demons back to the pool of the Holy Spirit, reincarnating them in humans. This greatly mitigates the drain on the Holy Spirit and ironically is giving them the second chance Charlie is fighting to give them with her Hotel, albeit without their memories. >This is kept a secret because knowledge of a 'soul shortage' could spark chaos across all three planes. Charlie still protests the extermination however as without their memories, the demons, the souls as they are, still cease to exist but Sera protests there is no other solution for the dwindling Holy Spirit than pulling from existing souls, and if it's between souls in Heaven (who lived good lives and earned an eternal rest) and souls in Hell (who fricked up to get there and continue to frick up while living there) she will choose the latter.
>>This is where the exterminations come in. Exorcising a demon is not the same as 'killing it', you can't kill that which is already dead. The 'exterminations' are actually returning demons back to the pool of the Holy Spirit, reincarnating them in humans. This greatly mitigates the drain on the Holy Spirit and ironically is giving them the second chance Charlie is fighting to give them with her Hotel, albeit without their memories.
sounds to smart for Vizie
Hopefully the latest episode will finally shut up all the morons who were droning on about "hell good, heaven bad". Even though that complaint should never have been a thing in the first place since the premise from the beginning was that hell is a shithole full of bad people and the heaven is the goal and final destination for redeemed souls
But the latest episode shows heaven is only superficially good and that there isn't actually any clear reason why Angels get into heaven and Demons go to hell.
>superficially good
In what sense? Aside from the glowBlack folk that are Sera and Exterminators not a single soul in heaven was aware of cleansings (and judging by the fact that they were carried out in secret on purpose, most definitely because the majority wouldn't agree with them). People in heaven actually seem to be having a good time and there's nothing indicating it's a bad, oppressive or even a boring place, while hell has consistently been portrayed as, well, hell.
That's sort of the point. Heaven is "Good" because it's clean and it's population is overall happy and polite. However it condones a yearly slaughter of people for it's own self preservation despite the fact they don't actually know the precise reason for their damnation or salvation.
Revelations? Who fricking knows. It's the spiritual revelation of some random dude 100 years after Jesus, Writing to churches in Asia Minor undergoing persecution. Why it was thrown in when the New Testament was Canonized I have no idea. It's an absolute shit show.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Cause God declared it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah because 900 butt buddies of the Emperor gathered around to circle jerk each other. I mean look at this Andrew Tate looking mother fricker. You really think this guy has any business decided what parts of the bible were canon?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>andrew tate looking motherfricker
holy kek thank you anon
Yes. Vivzie's seven sins are specifically based on Peter Binsfield's classification of demons, where Lucifer and Satan are treated as different entities.
In traditional Judao-Christian circles Satan appears when he thinks he knows a sinner is going to hell and tells God to watch. Satan is the big I TOLD YOU SO angel in Heaven and has no relation with Lucifer.
>Kept telling people that those executioners wear led masks as the fat b***h vivi said a long time ago and never refuted her words >They are exactly that are probably all attractive underneath
Feels good that at least they got that out of the way
It’s funny how they even have a better romance story than Chaggie, like the princess of Hell meeting a Seraphim of heaven and finding they both love the same things is better than some random fallen Angel Charlie found in the trash.
I just love how she just took her mask of because... just because the writers needed you to know at this point that she was an executioner. Like why not construct it as the child was so scared she took it off to not frighten him and then have her realized she cant do it anymore and that's what made Lute tattle on her.
I'm just glad I don't have to know anything about religion to watch my deviantart show. I don't understand any of this and honestly don't want to. Christmas and Easter is as far as my knowledge goes.
Thoughts on Lilith given Alastor his powers becaue he made a pact with her before dying? After doing what he wanted for a while it was time to pay up and do what Lilith wants. A hunch that Lilith wants to shake up the status quo with Heaven and since Lucifer won't do it, she will play the cards into Charlie's hands. And Alastor hates doing this but has no choice in the matter since he made a deal before dying.
It explains why he was so strong when he landed in hell too.
He really doesn't seem to hate her all that much but maybe I'm moronic and getting worked. That we get to see him when he's on his own or at least among peers like Husker and he still maintains the facade lends to it.
Christianity is such a confusing religion when you think about it for more than five seconds, and it's kind of insane how big the Abrahamic religions are with how much scripture has changed over the course of the last thousand years.
Like what the frick do you mean the character of Lucifer the Fallen Angel is only a part of Christianity due to a translation error made regarding a metaphor several centuries ago.
If you go by scripture it's not that confusing. People don't go by scripture they go by church fanfics.
When people die they die. There is no Heaven or Hell - well there is a Heaven but only two mortals will ever be allowed in - Mary and Jesus. Then once they get bored of Earth they do another end times but instead of a flood they have 4 kill methods just to be sure. After that they resurrect all the dead and herd them off to one of three fates: A new world a.k.a heaven, a pit of eternal torture (probably where the nephlem were kept) a.k.a Hell, or to wander the now Godless landscape, masters of their own domain a.k.a purgatory.
There is an oppositional force that fricked with Jesus but that's about the extent of it. All evil is actually just wayward divinity - like angels who were told to protect people but got too horny or too angry and sanctimonious.
Basically God is absolute but nothing he creates is. Not even his most divine servants are above betrayal and vice. Which is why he rewards the stalwart.
It gets crazier when you dig deeper and learn Yahweh was originally one of the Canaanite gods and a war god, and the whole promoting him as the One True God is his way of dabbing on his rivals and wiping them out.
prisca theologia my Black person. All most all contemporary religion comes from Sumeria.
Read some scripture then read the existing Babylonian Texts like the Enuma Elis. You can infer a lot about how things were changed. In the same way Hazbin has plot holes because it kept all the results of God but removed him from the setting the interpretations of Sumerian lore like the semetic scripture keeps a lot of the same figures and symbols but with increasingly diminished context and meaning.
I laughed pretty heartily after realizing Moses is a proper Deviant Art recolour ala Coldsteel the Hedgehog
Are you new? Even the so called Greek myth creations were born from other sources. Like how Hades was basically inserted in the stories despite most of those depictions being for Poseidon with the Cthonics. This is really new.
It helps when you remember that one of the biggest things Christianity did constantly to help convert people was taking bits and pieces of the conquered cultures and adding it to the religion to appease the new converts, so it can make things confusing.
I honestly can’t wait to see Charlie go full Anti-Christ on someone, probably Adam.
They keep pushing her and her horns start growing, it’s gonna be amazing once she lets loose.
Why do you people want this show to turn into dbz so much? I swear sooner or later you'll start talking about how Charlie should be betrayed so she can finally ENTER or some shit
I really hope Viv doesn't pull the "Adam is actually ugly" joke, he is supposed to be the first human if Lilith and Eve are hot as the first girls he needs to be handsome too
The fact there wasnt a (named) devil in the first place is actually interesting as frick.
What is the original Jesus/God/Holy Spirit/Trinity/whatever He goes by?
>The fact there wasnt a (named) devil in the first place
As in, in the original genesis story or in the bible in general? Because he's in there. He and Jesus have an epic rap battle in the desert.
>amazing Alastor X Lucifer song gets ruined by a rushed character introduction
Viv please stop....save these dudes for later... what's next? Baxter is going to show up singing in the middle of the war?! C'mon now
It’s funny how they even have a better romance story than Chaggie, like the princess of Hell meeting a Seraphim of heaven and finding they both love the same things is better than some random fallen Angel Charlie found in the trash.
this was actually an interesting history lesson of a thread, and it further cements how awful Viz's writing and ideas are. There's so many opportunities to take
I really wanted Satan to be the receptionist of Heaven who would look at Charlie, give her a letter to deliver to her dad, and when Lucifer reads the letter it just calls him a b***h made cuck.
a) the Serpent gave knowledge not Freewill. Freewill has given by God and is the reason the temptation could happen at all
b) the Builder sees wisdom as sin and punishes humanity for reaching further within themselves as it is the first step to leaving his domain
so I get part a) but b) is losing me
so satan is the builder
so satan thinks wisdom is sin?
why the frick would he think that?
and what the frick is this about a domain? is this jujutsu kaisen now?
The religious/religious history/apocryphal autism has honestly been the most fun part of the Hazbin threads. It's fun to see everyone jump in with their own little nuggets of information, what came from where and how it relates to the series, how well or how poorly Vivzie parodied xyz,
How's Viv gonna potray God when her world was created by the angels? >b-but she portrayed St. Peter
Yeah, as a twink frickboy. No relation to the actual saint.
Is that literally it? People kept saying knowing about the Trinity is supposed to be a huge mind frick
I know about God and Jesus, but who/what is the Holy Spirit? That one was never mentioned as often as the two
Depends on who you ask. Personally I like the 'speed force' definition where the spirit is Logos and Logos is the divine principle of Order which is eminent above all. 1:1 In the beginning there was the Word.
In this case you could see Logos as the speed force. God as Barry Allen and Jesus as Wally West.
Yesh me-Ayin (YHWH) is the "father" creator, formed from the void, perfect balance. He's moody tribal and prone to throwing world ending fits whenever humans and their free will start misbehaving.
Yehoshua ben Yusuf ibn Naserat (aka. Joshua son of Yusuf of the town of Naserat) - A israeli Nazarite who at the age of 33 started his ministry of the "Kingdom of Heaven" he preached that only through his teachings and through him could man inherit the kingdom of heaven. He became popular because he didn't condemn people for their sins but rather preached that EVERYONE sinned and that only through loving God with all your strength and self and loving your fellow man without prejudice could you would receive your reward in the kingdom of heaven. He started calling himself the King of Judah and the King of israelites. The high priests did not like this, called for his arrest but the Roman judge found no reason to condemn him under Roman law, so to avoid riots and unrest ended up giving him over to the priests who condemned him to die. He was then "crucified" and out of mercy killed by a Roman soldier named Longinus who took pitty for him. Christians belive that Yehoshua resurected after 3 days and that he was infact a manifestation of God the Father as a man. And started to spread his teachings and speaking of his miracles. This is where Christianity comes from.
The Holy Spirit - The raw and unstopable power of God which is manifested by his believers, it is the energy that allows them to perform miracles such as being able to preach without knowing the local language, those who know how to manifest enough of this power could potentially do even grander things. The spirit is likened to a flame burning within the believer and it is believed that Yehoshua's followers first experienced its power on the day of Pentecost.
there, the trinity in it's simplicity (believe me there's A LOT more than all that)
>The Holy Spirit - The raw and unstopable power of God which is manifested by his believers, it is the energy that allows them to perform miracles such as being able to preach without knowing the local language, those who know how to manifest enough of this power could potentially do even grander things. The spirit is likened to a flame burning within the believer and it is believed that Yehoshua's followers first experienced its power on the day of Pentecost.
NOT FROM A JEDI...or from most modern day Christians really. Very few individuals have "True Faith and belief" with is one of the necessary requirements to manifest it.
>Longinus
I couldn't find anything about him killing Jesus out of mercy, all I could find is that he was actually condenmed to a cave where a lion would maul him everyday until the end times.
You'd be surprised how often Greek Myths and Christianity overlap with each other.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Mediterranean and Red Sea sailors would have exchanged stories with each other. It checks out, the same way that Southeast Asians make a big deal about the Ramayana despite it being the national myth of India.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wasn't Saturnalia Greek, and the reason Christians had to invent Christmas from nothing? Or was it Roman... always forget, though I suppose they kind of have interchangeable faiths.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There's also Zeus hospitality myth being similar to Lot being visited by two divine beings. The themes of these stories are all about finding hospitality in a place where people are sinful or rude.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And how those greek myths overlap with Hititte myths. Almost like they share a common origin...
The Christian bible only mentions that he "stabbed Yehoshua with his spear to "tests if he was still alive or dead" only to present the stupid shit claim of only "water" exiting the wound" In reality again this is all the victim of constant mistranslation and reinterpretation. The guy took pitty on a man that they themselves (the Romans) knew to be innocent, and that stab with the spear was to prevent Yehoshua from spending DAYS in agonizing pain up on that tree...yes Yehoshua wasn't crucified on a standing cross like most dumbshit christcucks believe, it would've been on a grove of trees on a hill outside Jeoushalaim "or Jerusalem as it is mispronounced in english"
I can believe Angel's friendship with Husk but he's not had enough time with everyone else for me to believe he cares about them. I guess they made a 5-month skip where they had off-screen adventures, but I didn't get to see that.
Haha I hope you see this anon I had some fun thoughts...
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>be you, a recently condemned sinner who has woken up in hell in an unfamiliar body (fill in the blank on how you look) >you're hungry but you have no money to buy food >doesn't matter since you can't die of starvation but it still hurts >have to navigate the streets of hell carefully or else you'll end up cannibalized, mutilated, or dead all over again just to painfully regenerate >every day is a nightmare and no matter what you try you can't seem to pull it together to get a steady job or find a place to stay >this is way worse than your living life >finally manage to run errands for a shopkeeper that is way too nice to be in hell and she pays you enough for a night on the town >frick it you won't starve so you deserve to let loose and get drunk for the first time in forever >enter night club where you finally take time to gawk at just how sexy some demons are >unsure if you yourself are sexy in this form >Valentino happens to catch a glance at you standing in the corner with a drink, looking as closed as a clam >He knows fresh meat when he sees it >Has one of his girls call you over to where he's sitting >Wow he looks important, surrounded by so many beautiful and handsome sinners and smoking some sort of fancy red smoke cigar >You approach him and offer a timid, "h-hello..." >He motions for you to come closer and touches your face tenderly >Your heart is pounding >Despite his razor sharp teeth, he's dangerously handsome and he's wearing a gentle expression >He says, "you poor little beauty, you...did you just get here?" >You nod >"It's so scary here, isn't it? You look utterly exhausted...here, sit with me." >You sit next to him and he pulls his coat over you to keep you warm >This is the first time anyone has ever shown any concern for you out of the goodness of their heart >He asks you to tell him all about yourself
>Acts genuinely interested, tells you that hell is no place for a girl with your beauty to be wandering alone and that if you will allow it he'll make sure you're taken care of >Takes you home with him and makes sweet love to you >Actually better than any sex you ever had on Earth >Invites you to stay in his apartment >Ask if this makes you his girlfriend >He says, "of course" >Makes sure you're fed every day and comfortable, but doesn't take you out with him every night >Refuses to elaborate what he does for work but gives you some tips on surviving the streets >One night asks if he can record having sex with you >You agree and find it kinda romantic >He lavishes you with gifts, kisses you all the time and spoils you, gives you unending orgasms every night >The next week asks you to try drugs with him >Insists it's nothing addictive and he knows you aren't someone who could get hooked, it's just a little fun >Get absolutely fricked up with him >This turns into a three day binge for you >Feel ashamed after the fact and apologize to him, he's understandably disappointed >"I really didn't think you were like that" >He starts acting distant but of course he had given you extra doses, even forcing you to take more and more although you don't remember >You swear to not touch any substances again and can't apologize enough
>Acts genuinely interested, tells you that hell is no place for a girl with your beauty to be wandering alone and that if you will allow it he'll make sure you're taken care of >Takes you home with him and makes sweet love to you >Actually better than any sex you ever had on Earth >Invites you to stay in his apartment >Ask if this makes you his girlfriend >He says, "of course" >Makes sure you're fed every day and comfortable, but doesn't take you out with him every night >Refuses to elaborate what he does for work but gives you some tips on surviving the streets >One night asks if he can record having sex with you >You agree and find it kinda romantic >He lavishes you with gifts, kisses you all the time and spoils you, gives you unending orgasms every night >The next week asks you to try drugs with him >Insists it's nothing addictive and he knows you aren't someone who could get hooked, it's just a little fun >Get absolutely fricked up with him >This turns into a three day binge for you >Feel ashamed after the fact and apologize to him, he's understandably disappointed >"I really didn't think you were like that" >He starts acting distant but of course he had given you extra doses, even forcing you to take more and more although you don't remember >You swear to not touch any substances again and can't apologize enough
>You love him so much and you are afraid of losing him >You don't want to be alone again in hell >Ask if there's anything you can do >"You could help me with my work." >Well okay. >"But first you have to sign a contract with me. It's a formality for the studio." >Well...okay. >"And understand that I will own your soul." >A little intimidating, but that's fine. >Sign the contract and smile at him, thinking that you are finally rebuilding some progress >A chain appears around your neck and wrapped around his wrist and he slams you to the floor >Tells you that it took long enough to get you to sign yourself off >Informs you that you're going to make him a frickton of money making porn for him >His investors already liked what he recorded of you weeks ago >You are in disbelief, ask him, "I thought you were my boyfriend? I thought...this was a relationship." >"I'm a lot of frickups' boyfriend and I'm in a lot of relationships--business relationships. Did you think all of this was for free?!" >From this day forward you are Valentino's bawd and he makes you do the most degrading sex acts imaginable on camera >The worst part is that you still love him and still crave to see that soft side of him again >Every now and then he grants it to you--just a slice of compassion enough that it keeps you compliant >You become obsessed with him and realize that this is now your forever until one day the executioners strike you down >But that would never happen, right? >Val will protect you so long as you're one of his favorite toys
Anyone else think they're building up Adam to do a rape? They're making him seem very rapey, like the stereotype football player jock in old high school movies who loves to rape the cheerleaders.
Alastor definitely cares about someone from the Morningstar family at least to get THIS mad at Lucifer. If Lilith really owns his soul, and she and Lucifer are no longer a thing, he would probably be calmer with Lucifer, maybe even be on his side since they're both men fricked over by the same woman. But he's absolutely furious at Lucifer's entire existence, it's not just that he wants to do a power move with Charlie, the second he shows up he's seething internally.
My guess is that he's genuinely friends with the real Lilith/Rosie. and she's trying to help him out of being controlled by Eve (who's pretending to be Lillith somehow). So he's upset at Lucifer for allowing his good friend Lilith to suffer and letting the fake b***h rule over him.
Do you think there's any chance Viv would drop the Eve/Lillith/Rosie mixup thing since people are already figuring out and making fun of how underwhelming the Vaggie=Angel reveal was, which the fandom also figured out before the show even aired
I thought it just got greenlit?
Regardless if Hazbin is supposed to be 4 seasons like Viv said there's still time to change things
I just think it's boring because there's no surprise
They’re probably gonna try to wrap up as much of the show as possible in season 1, though maybe a few select reveals might be saved for 2. 3 onward is probably gonna be totally new ideas and not part of the current plan.
Anon... the show is already done this isn't like the 90s or even current day Japan where they literally finish the episode just a day or hours before broadcasting.
I understand that but according to Leaker-kun we don't even see Lillith in this season
I unironically preferred it when Vaggie was just a common sinner. It made her relationship with Charlie more interesting.
Vaggie was already kinda boring in the pilot but I hoped they'd at least make her interesting in the actual show
For someone who is supposed to be a main character she's just slapped together with Charlie and there's no chemistry at all
The one yuri pair in the show and it's the most boring
They didn't even try to cover it up or make the reveal a surprise by giving her a backstory or even her own episode beforehand
All it would have taken was someone asking Vaggie and Charlie how they met and we could have seen a short flashback where Vaggie talks about how on one extermination day she lost her eye and thought she was going to die and Charlie saved her, omitting the part about her being a former angel
But anyway >executed for thousands of years >supposedly one of heaven's best soldiers >yet had never killed a child before
shit makes no sense as it is
>The Holy Spirit - The raw and unstopable power of God which is manifested by his believers, it is the energy that allows them to perform miracles such as being able to preach without knowing the local language, those who know how to manifest enough of this power could potentially do even grander things. The spirit is likened to a flame burning within the believer and it is believed that Yehoshua's followers first experienced its power on the day of Pentecost.
Is it possible to learn this power?
Not while you are alive (saints are only cannonized after post-humorous miracles IIRC)
Also Tolkien and John had it right. Thinking of the Spirit as just God's power is gay and inaccurate. More like God is using the Spirit's power.
What I'm getting is this show is based on a cursory understanding of religion from someone who didn't grow up religious. As opposed to those Anne Rice vampire books where the entire series is literally all about struggling with whether to be Catholic.
Tbh the story has it's own lore. It is not an exploration of christianity and christian values but it takes themes and characters as well as ideas from the Bible and makes them its own. For example we can see angels clearly not knowing it all about the souls, just keeping order and that is in fact what tey are, not souls with free will but tools of God. I don't think the series is meant to criticize the religion or even to hypotesize. It's just having fun with concepts.
To be fair anon the Anne Rice books moved past the Catholic/Christian shit after the original five books and focused on characters who never grew up on it because their existence predated it like Marius and Pandora
The whole reason the younger vampires like Lestat struggled with Christ is because it's what they grew up being told
I get the feeling Viv grew up in a household just moderately Christian and she wants to be a victim about it and it personally it kinda pisses me off as someone who grew up being told that certain things were my fault and being forced to watch The Exorcist as a scare tactic (and then a few nights later having my stepdad hide underneath my bed and shake it and say "that's what's gonna happen if you don't get your life right with god")
Hate it that LGBTQIA_142 has become the new evangelicals considering the prejudice I used to hold towards Abrahamic religions
My based has become the new cringe and my former cringe has become the...well as long as they leave me alone I guess
Jesus should be completely fed up with everyone's bullshit in both Heaven and Hell, showing up to just fricking throw hands similar to what he did to the money changers. >Punches Adam in the face >Beats the shit out of Alastor
And so on and so forth.
You know, the absence of all mention of God and Christ wouldn't bother me if they didn't randomly say "Oh my God" every few minutes. Like we know He's there Viv, just fricking be a man and address it.
Lucifer letting Alastor frick with him is actually pretty consistent with how the 7 deadly sins act in Helluva Boss. I guess when you're an immortal demon who is thousands of years old there isn't much of a point to getting in random fights
They get respect in the way that celebrities do rather than political leaders. It's probably more fun for them that way. It's not like Beelzebub is going to be pouring over the details of tax policy instead of getting drunk all day
Hey Hazbin anons, many of you are interested in the more esoteric concepts of spirituality that are presented in series like this. Cinemaphile has a board which like all others has its fair share of shitposters and chuds. But a board where you can learn a lot more about these topics from a wider and more familiar with the topic crowd of anons. It's called /x/ and you're always welcome to go there and start a thread, Theologian anons are standing-by to regale you with stories of why mainstream Christianity is fricking weak as shit and what actual spirituality encompases.
and /misc/ is filled with Chuds, Cinemaphile with newbie contrarians, Cinemaphile with Zoomer Weebs (worse than Millenial Weebs) and every board is full of coomers /trash/ has furries, what else is new?
It's also there so you can enjoy fun in the bum with a butt plug, dildo, or massager; or with the wiener of a friend who is bored and either gay or can't readily find himself a woman.
Viv says she created her shows as a gift to her younger self that liked the edgy/twee mix that used to be big back in the 2000s. What did people into that talk about back then? How shitty politics and religion are in controlling and brainwashing people, how sexually adventurous they can be, etc.
It's made for the part of you that remembers listening to intense, rebellious music for the first time and thinking, man, God and George Bush ain't shit.
sound like sex, religion, and politics are the themes of the show then.
If they are presented in an edgy way that is just a reflection on the creator.
But we still get to discuss them which is nice.
Berserk is the shit my man I love that fricking show.
The eclipse was some real fricked up shit dough.
3 months ago
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Same, It's sad that they had shitty animation for conviction.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Berserk's version of hell is infinitely worse than Hazbin's.
3 months ago
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Hazbin's version of hell is "standard american city"
3 months ago
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>So why does portions of the city have that 1940s look? >UUUUUUUUUUH some demons like the cannibals prefer that!
And this will never be explained, tons of "world building" that people praise in this show AREN'T in the show but material outside of it, a bunch that are now on record to not even be canon anymore. Its a joke.
3 months ago
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It's very obvious Vivziepop is of the J.K. Rowling school of fantasy worldbuilding. Add a potpourri of shit in because you think it looks/sounds cool, canon comes later and only in response to high pressure questions from fans.
3 months ago
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We still haven't reached the level of "wizards used to vanish the shit from their pants" yet.
3 months ago
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>Hey Vivi was Adam a bad guy? >What? No nooooooooo, he um, he was uh, just angry. He felt very betrayed by those he loved. >Hmm? When did that happen >O-oh you know, on.. the last episode it was in the background for sure, just rewatch it again! hahaha
I can't wait for her to have this moment in the future.
3 months ago
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I still laugh at the podcast, Rolling even said Slytherin were just her childhood bullies but then years later, oh no! She forgot she gave like 95% of them no depth.
3 months ago
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>Standard American city
Oh yeah totally. The last time I wandered around the mean streets of Richmond there were Cyclops ladies going around committing violent crimes, hookers who looked like spiders propositioning strangers on the street, cannibals feasting on human flesh in the middle of the street, and angels in horned helmets descending from Heaven to wreak carnage. Totally.
3 months ago
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Sounds like Chicago
3 months ago
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Chicago ain't shit. The craziest thing I saw in Chicago was a dude massaging his girlfriend's vegana through her sweat pants with his toes on the monorail. Everything else was pretty normal.
>You disgust me >You're *not* ruining my hair and makeup tonight >Plus, I think you fetishize *this* face owning your ass >See what I'm holding down here? >Take a good long look at it, *Dick Master* >Your dick wishes it could be half the dick mine is >But your ass is going to get very well acquainted >Turn around...
If we take that as he's in an executioner suit like his girls, then I could see him hiding some massive insecurities or simply hiding behind a mask. Seems like he's the type of character who is what he is at face value though
Judging by how the mask seems to infect Lute and Vaggie for the worse. (Lute puts it on to make herself more bloodthirsty and merciless in episode 6)
The mask could be a metaphor for getting drugged/drunken to bring out your worst traits and forget about your misery.
So when Adam is completely covered up in it 24/7, it shows how deprived and entrapped he is in it, like Angel Dust is with drugs. And yet, we see impulses of him missing Eve by how he refers to Vaggie’s name as “the best thing ever” (Eve is his first vegana), his obsession with sex (trying to replace her to no anvil), his pure anger for losing an Exorcist (like he lost Eve), having an Exorcist heed to a sinner (how he lost Eve).
Meaning, he represents a widower indulging in pleasures and alcoholism to forget about his dead wife.
I think Adam is a demon. If you notice his smiles he is the only exterminator with demonic shar teeth and the only one who keeps his mask on 24/7 for...some reason. And he's shown to be an evil son of a b***h
3 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly I hope he becomes a demon at the end of the show, with him being a vengeful antagonist for season 2
3 months ago
Anonymous
Adam’s digital face is not his real face. Otherwise, we can argue that the exorcist are demons because horns and their creepy faces. >And he's shown to be an evil son of a b***h
Not really. Adam isn’t trying to rule over heaven and he’s pushed to being used as a puppet by the heavenly council. Sera is clearly far more sinister and untrustworthy than Adam, with implications of lying about “not knowing the rules” and her commanding Adam to kill his own children in the first place. If you ask me, Adam’s brain seems to be messed up to a point he hardly can comprehend the room around him and he needs Lute as his personal care taker.
Nothing feels right with him at all.
I'mma let you theorize, cause while it is fun to come up with theories, I've always been bad at it or reading between the lines. I gotta be told straight up what's happening in a show, so I usually take characters at face value and go along with the plots. Feels weird whenever I see people tryna guess what's coming next when a little patience can lead to the answer.
I feel like Adam isn't wearing a mask and it's his actual face. I mean we won't be having time for epic Adam face because we only have 8 episodes so it's just his face lol. I also think that fits him because he's very... Honest and straight forward I feel. Lute for example feels like someone two-faced, she kills demons but when she takes off her mask she acts like nothing happened instead of just telling the truth like Adam who's not ashamed at all
>I mean we won't be having time for epic Adam face because we only have 8 episodes
While I agree, the show is moving at a blazing fast pace so I wouldn't put it past them to throw more plot points and curve balls our way right at the end. If what we're hearing is true, then 4 seasons could be enough time to follow certain plot threads to conclusion. I agree with you though, Adam seems like a straight shooter who's proud of what he is. I mean, when you're the first Man, you probably don't have to reach a high bar to get into Heaven. So, he is the way he is because he was the first Soul into Heaven and really didn't need to be as good as subsequent Winners
I feel like Adam isn't wearing a mask and it's his actual face. I mean we won't be having time for epic Adam face because we only have 8 episodes so it's just his face lol. I also think that fits him because he's very... Honest and straight forward I feel. Lute for example feels like someone two-faced, she kills demons but when she takes off her mask she acts like nothing happened instead of just telling the truth like Adam who's not ashamed at all
I'mma let you theorize, cause while it is fun to come up with theories, I've always been bad at it or reading between the lines. I gotta be told straight up what's happening in a show, so I usually take characters at face value and go along with the plots. Feels weird whenever I see people tryna guess what's coming next when a little patience can lead to the answer.
[...] >I mean we won't be having time for epic Adam face because we only have 8 episodes
While I agree, the show is moving at a blazing fast pace so I wouldn't put it past them to throw more plot points and curve balls our way right at the end. If what we're hearing is true, then 4 seasons could be enough time to follow certain plot threads to conclusion. I agree with you though, Adam seems like a straight shooter who's proud of what he is. I mean, when you're the first Man, you probably don't have to reach a high bar to get into Heaven. So, he is the way he is because he was the first Soul into Heaven and really didn't need to be as good as subsequent Winners
Doesn’t this mean when Lute lacks her mask, she is literally unable to enact into the appropriate personality she wants to be in? So what is the original personality Adam is replacing under his helmet?
The question is whether Spencer's or Hot Topic will win the bid to sell licensed merch. The merchandising has the potential to become the next version of Nightmare Before Christmas chain wallets and hoodies.
What a shitty looking plushie, should have gone with whatever company makes the Murder Drones ones.
I hope they get some better official merch now that it’s a full on successful show.
For someone whose online virtually 24/7, It's strange to me how Viv actually thought that Episode 5 would do literally anything else but fuel Charlastor even further. When that's apparently what she's trying to prevent.
I am bisexual and autistic so yes, you are correct. You missed the chance to insult me for being israeli though.
3 months ago
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Only moronic homosexual israelites think A24's best release is overrated.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There's a creepy ritual orgy and a woman becomes complicit in murdering a bunch of people after going native with some weird tribe cult. It's not compelling horror, it's just pretentious shit.
3 months ago
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It's a standard horror premise elevated by stellar cinematography and excellent performances. It and Get Out are the only horror films this decade that are worthy of being called art.
3 months ago
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Get Out was like history written with lightning. It is only regretful that it was all so terribly true.
I wish she'd just take a break from the internet
She spoils things she shouldn't
She always overly explains herself to antis
We get it you're a Good Person with the Right Politics and your Edge is Safe
But you're right anon
She seems to have a bone to pick with Chalastor in particular and it's so bizarre
She pairs Charlie with the most boring character and declares Alastor is asexual despite him having romantic interests in her other series
It's just so specific she has to have a sort of complex with it for some reason
>Hell is supposed to be a bad place full of scary evil >Everyone there has a slim, lithe physique >There are people there who look like literal kittens and puppies with similar personalities >Everyone dresses the way I wish I could afford to dress
idk Vivziepop Hell don't sound so bad
Why is Nifty made into a nympho when she looks barely old enough to bleed from her V? This shit is weird, reminds me of the "really 1000 years old" nymphomaniac goddess in GATE.
My guess is that the beheaded angel would reveal a plot twist of Adam and the exorcist being a product produced and controlled by Vox, since Vox could use them to wipe out Alastor and Charlie.
That entire segment was complete filler, and not the good type of filler that helped characters grow but introduce more fricking characters not relevant to the plot, aka the fricking hotel.
So...Was Charlie like...'In on the joke' when Alastor was saying all this shit about them having 'such a bond with each other' and 'thinking of her like a daughter'...Or is she under the delusion that Alastor is being serious?
She knew Alastor was fricking around. He was trying to taunt Lucifer for funzies because he's a sadistic frick. It was also a power play on his part to test if he carries more weight than The Devil himself.
Given that Alastor gets pissy the moment Charlie enters with Lucifer indicates that for the writers this is not Alastor "trolling" Lucifer, but Alastor genuinely having this rivalry. Why? Because they had no time for build up and Viv REALLY wanted to shove that in because the build up she had in her own head is enough apparently.
>introduces a song where Alastor is portrayed as a father figure to Charlie >just adds a daddy kink to Charlastor now >introduce Emily the next episode, the heavens version of a sweet cinnamon roll like Charlie >immediately gets along with her and has more chemistry and even sing together
How attached to Chaggie is Viv really, cause she sure sucks at promoting it as the canon ship.
this, she isn't a character but a prop. but anything connected to adam seems to not have any depth whatsoever. i just love how they imply he is basically the executioners dad and they don't play with it at all.
I did hear someone say Charlie wasn’t even planned on being lesbian but some friend of Viv’s basically went “ wouldn’t these two make a cute couple?” And she just went sure why not.
I noticed this. Viv doesn’t like Vox and Val and their relationship is absolutely awful. Viv hates Stella and her brother, so their relationships between themselves and others is absolutely awful.
Viv likes Fizz and Ozzie, and their relationship is good (in her view).
Viv likes Adam and Lute and their relationship is oddly wonderful.
Thus, meaning. Vox and Val are the kind of characters Vivzie plans to kill off with no care for them whatsoever. So one of them is planned to be killed off in this season.
I've come to make an announcement; Alastor's a b***h ass motherfricker, he nutted on my fricking daughter. Thats right, he took his furry deer dick out and he nutted on my fricking daughter, and she said his dick was "This big" and I said that's disgusting, so I'm making a callout post on my twitter dot com, Alastor the Radio Demon, you've got a small dick, it's the size of this apple pip except WAY smaller, and guess what? Here's what my dong looks like: PFFFT, THAT'S RIGHT, BABY. ALL POINTS, NO FUR, NO PILLOWS. Look at that, it looks like two apples and a snake. He fricked my daughter so guess what? I'm gonna frick the Pride ring. THAT'S RIGHT THIS IS WHAT YOU GET, MY SUPER LASER PISS! Except I'm not gonna piss on the Pride ring, I'm gonna go higher. I'M PISSING ON HEAVEN! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT, SERA? I PISSED ON HEAVEN YOU b***h! YOU HAVE 23 HOURS BEFORE THE PISS DROPLETS HIT THE FRICKING HOTEL NOW GET OUT OF MY SIGHT BEFORE I PISS ON YOU TOO.
This show is the definition of wasted potential. It takes an interesting premise: how can we redeem those seemingly beyond redemption, while also setting that the “good guys”, for all intents and purposes, commit a genocide (on sinners, thus being conventionally “evil”). It opens up a space for moral complexity where empathy (characters we can sympathise with) and “good” (as an abstract value) are pitted against each other.
But Vivzie refuses to either make complex characters or even do proper world building that establishes its basic principles and powers. There is no meaningful contrast between heaven and hell. There is even no clear principles of good and evil that can be subverted (if you really want to go this way).
It's no surprise that Adam (leader of angel exterminators) behaves indistinguishably from demons. It’s no surprise that “being a good person” is reducible to Adam’s bs that he thought up on the spot.
A story about heaven and hell does not work when its based solely on moral ambiguity. Heaven and hell operate on a moral binary and thus it at least needs to establish a moral framework as a point of reference. It would be so much more compelling to show how heaven’s clear rules on good vs. evil are overly reductive, while Charlie’s and Lucifer’s well-intentioned attempts at “reformation” are not much more than exercises in pride.
But no. Nobody knows what are the principles of this world, so instead of a redemption story, we get a story about two different realms fighting for survival. Honestly, I don’t understand. I would think that one of the A24, Ivy League writers would have read “Paradise Lost” and saw how one can make an evil character sympathetic, even if he sins (by thinking that he is better that God). But apparently not…
he has no NOSE
How does he smell?
Just lovely. Like lilacs.
lol anon that's great
also pop-religion gays like viv seem to really attach to jesus, he's usually the one guy who's not a meanie in the bible in their eyes
everyone is le ebil and god is a bastard but for some reason jesus is always the goode boye and i wonder why
but regardless if he does appear she's probably gonna have him do the "um actually you're all wrong and bad and the sinners are all good actually" and totally school them like the main character in every tumblr story where everyone stands up and claps at the end
Jesus represents forgiveness to them.
...without them realising "forgiveness" is conditional, and only if you follow Jesus' teachings, which include being chaste, humble, hardworking, praying to god, and not being a gay.
Pretty sure they realise what your beliefs are, just don't share them.
nah they don't, they think Jesus is a radical surfer dude who'll give everyone forgiveness without having to follow his path. That's why they like him: they think he'd let them be sinful forever and also give them a free pass into heaven. Jesus accepts the sinful and gives them a chance to redeem themselves, he doesn't allow people to continue being disgusting sinful gays for their entire lives then reward them for free.
You're saying you think A) they're closet Christians and B) they believe that you believe that Jesus is chill with gays. Both doubtful.
The only true sin in my eyes is making the people around you miserable. Rape, torture, just being rude, etc. Kindness is where Heaven comes from
I'm not an authority on religion, it's just how I feel about it.
I never understood why people separate Jesus and God the father.
They think one is a dick and one is nice but the theologically that doesn't make sense.
Theologically nothing makes sense, so wildly differing opinions are to be expected.
explain anon
>I never understood why people separate Jesus and God the father
Iirc the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father only
it is still stated to be a separate 'person' according to tradition.
Alright so it should be noted that the underlying idea of how the Trinity works isn't unique to Christianity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_(religion)
homie you contributed nothing to the conversation there.
How dare you deny the filioque! Eastern Heretic! Burn him!
Filioque is the original headcanon. Also,
>being a papistgay
The Nicene Creed itself is headcannon.
I think at this point anything diverging from the nicene Creed is heretical no-no.
You could subvert expectations like Vizie did with Lucifer and present an alternative view of him instead. No cross needed.
Because they are seperate and one has a distinctly over all reputation drawn from the old testament that Jesus does not share.
but if they thought about it they would realize all the decisions the Father made Jesus also kinda made and he agrees with them
that is the reason it doesn't make sense to me..they aren't thinking about the logic behind their opinions of the two deities.
When Jesus was baptized by John, all three were distinctly separate from each other. Jesus was in the water, the Holy Spirit descended upon him (meaning he was without it until he was baptized), and then God the Father spoke from Heaven, meaning Jesus and God are separate.
The reason they are all considered the same entity is because Arianism was executed in the Church’s infancy to separate it from paganism and to better equate it to Judaism. The Catholic Church was always rotten because of this, which is why the Knights Templar and other knightly organizations had initiation rituals that required neophytes to actively reject canon Church iconography and denounce Church teachings.
by faith alone, worksgay
I mean, even faith alone often dictates that the faith itself will naturally cause you to do the works
anon don't try to reason about it. That whole works vs faith (but the faith makes you do the works) bullshit is just another paradox that Christians don't understand but accept.
Despite loser theologians trying to work it into a coherent message.
>works vs faith (but the faith makes you do the works)
It's true, though. If you believe riding a bike causes cancer or something, you'll naturally not want to ride a single bike in your life.
>People dont want do things they know that causes them cancer
>like smoking
>or sun exposure
>or sugar
>or oral sex
Smoking, sugar and blowjobs are addictive, though.
>oral sex causes cancer
what
it spreads HPV which is the most common std in the planet (1 in 3 men have it) and most every one is too old to vaccinate against it (thanks republicans)
>every one is too old to vaccinate against it
>Americans don't have mandatory vaccinations
Lmao wtf??
I take it you are unfamiliar with American's views on vaccines
I know some morons think they cause autism, same with my country, but there's a list of mandatory vaccinations everyone has to get in their childhood so it's basically a non-issue. I genuinely thought it was the same in America.
Overall it is but it's not difficult to receive idealogical or religous exemptions.
The HPV vaccine isnt really mandatory or if it is now, its a very recent thing, and once you're over 25 you're too old for it
Americans didnt make it mandatory because "lmao missionary and abstinence only" cuckservatives
You’re too old for it at 25 because at that age, you’re assumed to be sexually active and therefore already exposed to HPV. In which case, everyone on this board can still get the vaccine
Maybe try not sucking dick?
>try not sucking dick?
>doesnt realize this applies to girlfriends sucking dick
>doesnt know this also aplies to eating pussy
You fricking cuck lmao
>eating pussy
lol, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggot
if eating pussy makes you gay, then sign me up for the parade
Theophilus, don't perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog!
I'm fricking trying man it's just too hard they're all so juicy
lol that discussion is going to boil down to you think Jesus meant by "believe in me"
I wouldn't say so. Pretty much the entirety of Jesus' ministry consisted on bashing those who upheld the Old Testament law, professed faith in God, but failed to comprehend the spirit of the law(Love God/Love your Neighbor).
It's largely a semantic argument with the Catholic church highlighting the importance of the works component because it strengthened the influence of the priesthood, as only they were ordained to perform the sacraments they claimed saved souls, while the Protestants saw many Sacraments as unbiblical.
it seems the issue of comprehending the 'spirit of the law' is just be able to honestly reason through the statements being made.
Even Protestants I would say are fundamentally flawed in their execution. Jesus was far more focused on the importance of the Esoteric as opposed to the exoteric, and far too much importance is placed upon the organization of the church and observation on law and customs as opposed to genuine self reflection, redemption, and brotherhood.
>works vs faith
But it's not works vs faith, it's faith alone vs faith + works. Dummy
Faith inspires works, but genuine faith is what is actually the driving factor in salvation. Works without Faith are meaningless. It was in protest of Catholic beliefs that sacrements had power in and of themselves to bring salvation.
ITS A PROTESTANT! GET HIM!
not really.
Jesus believed that if Divine Ordainement was beyond you, your ultimate ascencion could still be achieved by doing your best to channel his word
>for some reason jesus is always the goode boye and i wonder why
People who grew up with religious influences will tend to hear a lot of just basic humane sentiments attributed rightly or wrongly to JC, especially when contrasted with other parts of Christianity, and tend to associate him with the softer side of the religion. He is the poster boy for forgiveness, after all.
Yeah, but this is where it gets weird. If you read the Bible, Jesus's reason for forgiveness is akin to why the average person would forgive a child.
The number of Biblical stories where he basically says "ugh, seriously guys?" is pretty consistent.
I'd say that would be a good way to portray him. Just have him be tired. He literally died once over all this and now they wanna bring him out again to settle everything and he just stands there with a cup of coffee and bags under his eyes, takes a sip and says "No. I'm sick of cleaning up your messes. Figure it out yourselves this time."
This fits. She took lucifer and turned him into a middle aged dad
Yeah, not to mention that Biblical Jesus constantly calls out the idea that people were going to twist what he said left and right. Certain apocrypha has him going into hell and redeeming the sinners who came before his time. He's frequently annoyed whenever Satan shows up and tries to tempt him.
Make it that Biblical Jesus was the guy who went out of his way to sort out all the shit that everyone else had caused and that Lucifer was too proud to let Jesus take charge of the situation. Jesus redeeming sinners was a blow to Lucifer's ego which caused Lucifer to frick up the system Jesus had been creating, which prevented Jesus from being able to set up a redemption system in Hell. Lucifer later tried to set one up and was shot down. Now Jesus is jaded and annoyed that they're basically all going through the same shit as back then.
Maybe a scene where Lucifer has to go to him and say "Look man, you were right about me, I was being an egotistical idiot, but my daughter isn't me so please give her a chance."
>The number of Biblical stories where he basically says "ugh, seriously guys?" is pretty consistent.
>now they wanna bring him out again to settle everything and he just stands there with a cup of coffee and bags under his eyes, takes a sip and says "No. I'm sick of cleaning up your messes. Figure it out yourselves this time."
nice design, but I don't like cross
He should have the giant cross 24/7 on his back.
Why would Jesus carry a cross? He would hate crosses considering he was crucified on one.
moronic take, the cross symbolizes the weights of mankind's sins
Why? Cause last I checked his ass got nailed to it. Just like every other motherfricker who got captured by Rome.
>why is he wearing the woven crown of thorns, didn't it hurt him?
Because he had to drag it
Why wouldn't he carry a cross? The cross is a reminder of his sacrifice to all humanity and thus a symbol of the Christian faith
>The cross is a reminder of his sacrifice to all humanity
Why does he need a reminder
He doesn't need a reminder it's the symbol of his followers so it would make sense he would also have one to show his brotherhood with the faithful
So he should carry a symbol of a cross in brotherhood with you carrying a symbol of a cross in veneration of him being nailed to a cross? Seems recursive.
He doesn't need to carry a cross, but it's more endearing that he does as a symbol of brotherhood. As for people carrying crosses they don't necessarily need to carry crosses as a sign of faith, a cross doesn't absolve one's sins, so it's more like a reminder of how to conduct onesself in life.
But realistically the reason why Jesus is carrying a cross is because artists think people are too stupid to know who the regular looking person is.
>it's more endearing that he does as a symbol of brotherhood
It wasn't enough to torture him to death now you want him to dress up nice for you?
The entirety of Heaven Should've looked like this. In fact, I'm just gonna borrow the building designs from Viv's heaven.
So the audience knows its Jesus.
idk, he's a tumblr sexyman like everyone else but at least he doesn't have sharp teeth like everyone else.
I would like it more if he just looked like a hippie.
This is more in line with the spirit of the show I think.
Jesus visits the CHERUBS after they get kicked out.
surfer dude jesus would be far too funny for this show
Inshallah we need someone to do this but with Mohammed
Trust me he is super gay looking under here. Afganistani dancing boi gayy.
I always wondered what tumblr sexyman Mohammed would look like, now I know
make his stigmata constantly bleeding and i'm sold
>Charlie, enthusiastic about meeting the most famous "Redeemer" on Earth, excitedly grabs and shakes his hand
>Flinches and pulls back to see her palms covered in blood.
>"Sorry about that."
>holy blood
>her hands catch fire
>she runs off-screen, screaming
>honk-honk, cat yowling, car-crash, explosion
>She finds a faucet
>Quickly cranks it
>Puts her burning hand in
>Holy Water
>WHO BLESSED THE WATER HEATER??!?!
>Finally solves the problem by dumping a pile of snow on her because it's not technically "water".
>She's thankful but freezing, eventually resulting in her sneezing
>someone says "Oh my! God bless you, dear!"
>Bursts back into flames.
Needs to be more edgy with the Crown of thorns
this design is horrible, its obvious viv doesn't know shit about history or religion
>its obvious viv doesn't know shit about history or religion
Let's not pretend that was ever the case
You sound like a Marxist upset that she is making designs in her creativity instead of politics
>the most generic blond man you've ever seen
>"creativity in designs"
Show five characters that look the same
>doesn't know shit about history or religion
Literally what is this non-criticism?
The show is focused on a clown faced bisexual who's friend with a spider, a radio host, and various losers.
Are we, no, YOU really expecting medieval paintings or something?
If I wanted to see medieval paintings of angels fighting demons I'd go to church.
its called moronation anon. The antis lost a lot of their arguments and are grasping at straws now.
Most of the people who spam threads criticizing the show are mentally unstable neets who just have a hate boner for vizie.
When you used established stuff like Christianity, and do interpretations wildly different from what is established, these questions will naturally come up.
And they're moronic.
Dude I sincerely doubt anybody looked at Disney IPs based on pre-established fairytales and was like WTF THIS ISN'T ACCURATE?????
Yes obviously someone somewhere said something like that but come on. It really is just a non-criticism.
That's mainly because most people aren't really familiar with the original source material of the fairytales. If they were more like christianity in terms of influence, people would be doing the same thing.
>this design is horrible, its obvious viv doesn't know shit about history or religion
Worked for Anno with Evangelion...
Evangelion has cool robots
I've yet to see a cool Hasbin robot
I think Vox has some modified Fizbots.
Evangelion isn’t about religion it’s about bad parents and locking yourself away from people. The religious imagery is window dressing
>The religious imagery is window dressing
Got it in one
The religious stuff is literally just Ultraman references
Why do you idiots keep saying the bible israelites were arab or dark-skinned when the israelites today look like neither? Unless you're suggesting...
He wasn’t dark-skinned, he was always white in all portrayals and art just like Jesus.
But he had dark hair, was a working class fisherman, and his personality was being rough, angry, getting into fights, being uncertain if he really cares that much about god and betraying Jesus at last when he was due to be crucified. This twink theatre kid gay moaning high notes like he’s getting his butt rammed isn’t Peter the Apostle.
Viv doesn't give a shit
She likes broadway twinks, so everyone is a broadway twink.
>he was always white in all portrayals and art just like Jesus.
Where "white" equals whatever race the people depicting him happen to be at the time.
>white
I think the correct term would be....SWARTHY
would be cool to see a character like him portrayed in a similar show.
Jesus was never born, that’s why Heaven and Hell are fricked up in the Hazbin universe and why despite being the face of Christianity, he has never been referenced
Saint Peter is in the show, which means Jesus has to exist as well.
i dunno. its all about lilith which is a judiasm thing
maybe we don't see him for the same reason we don't see God, Eve or Lilith
>or maybe God stays away from his creations for he fears what he has created
>just some dude with wings and a halo
I fricking knew it.
Jesus was just God in human form was he not? Why would there be two versions of God in heaven?
Three, they have some freaky trimurti thing going on but most modern Christians seem fuzzy on the details.
What like the holy spirit? I hate Judeo-Christian lore. It's like they were smoking something when they wrote it. If it's even the original considering how much it's been translated.
The lore has been fricked from top to bottom due to the incapability of being able to properly translate and then interpret shit correctly.
Christianity doesn't understand the trinity.
It is just something they have and accept.
Dont accept any loony theologian that tries to say otherwise.
Frick the trinity, Arian bros for life
He was a part of god but had a separate consciousness. He asked god for advice and lost faith in god. “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Gee, thanks padre.
>My Me, my Me, why have I forsaken me?
Always funny when you actually try to work out what religious goatfrickers were thinking back then.
in fairness back then they all assumed sons carried part of the souls of their fathers. As explanation why they tended to look the same and act the same.
Sounds dumber than Kingdom Hearts lore
Shiggy diggy he is in earth
As we watch heaven and earth Jesus is preparing the second coming
So if Jesus Christ doesn’t show up, are they ever gonna explain why his name still exists as an expletive in this universe? Or are we just supposed to ignore that?
Jesus Christ never showed up in Pulp Fiction either but I don't recall it being a problem.
I don’t remember Pulp Fiction ever explicitly involving the top ranking beings of Heaven as a specific plot point.
I don't remember this show doing that either. The characters are Adam and these two seraphim.
Charlie is granted an audience with the Seraphim when she tells Lucifer “I want you to get me a meeting with whoever is at the very top.”
Actually kind of curious that Lucifer is even allowed to make that kind of communication. The first meeting with Adam seemed more like they called him.
Sera says she wants to smooth things over with him because she’s scared he might declare war. So that’s probably why she keeps the line open for him.
He clearly does not think highly of the sinners himself, how could he declare war with those idiots at his back. And heaven can seemingly peek into hell whenever they wish, I think. Had to use a drone to find the body before, still. They should be able to monitor a potential uprising without Lucifer having to call them.
Yeah, once a country gets spy satellites on its enemies it makes sense to immediately shut down all diplomatic communications.
He said they wouldn't listen, what diplomatic comms?
And how the hell do spy satellites get a direct look into a crowded club? They have far more capable spying power.
There is a embassy. Saying they wont listen to her preaentation or his request for an audience doesn't automatically mean they are completely closed to communications.
> He clearly does not think highly of the sinners himself, how could he declare war with those idiots at his back.
Not sure if Sera really knows that he feels that way. She seems simply paranoid, even though her fears are unfounded.
>And heaven can seemingly peek into hell whenever they wish, I think. They should be able to monitor a potential uprising without Lucifer having to call them.
Considering that Lucifer is their former peer and friend, they might not obsessively spy on him all the time out of simple politeness. Also if they’re scared of him, they might not do it because they don’t want him to find out and get pissed off. And watching him would be a real downer, especially for them. Adam says he doesn’t even want to go visit Hell because it sucks so hard.
>Adam says he doesn’t even want to go visit Hell because it sucks so hard.
Wait a minute, is he forcing himself to be in Hell against his will?
seraphim are at the top, they basically replaced Michael prince of the seraphim with those two black girls
Not the top, they're not involving the trinity and don't intend to.
Jesus is visiting Valhalla on holiday
Probably something like this, i just find the joke of Jesus being a ripped good looking guy just fun
Were there always only two Seraphim planned? For some reason I remember there being four.
yeah only two
>What could have been:
Gab-brielll
>tumblr sexyman one through eight
MAKE IT STOP
Nah I really hope this show doesn't touch God. I like Hazbin but I have no faith that they'll treat God as a character with any respect.
Oh no, not my imagining friend!
Wow what a revelation this piece of shit wouldnt treat God with respect. What a shocker
Why would they. This isn't theology. It's its own setting inspired by theology. If you are mad about it -which I could understand- don't watch.
WHY DOES ONLY ONE OF THEM HAVE A NOSE!?
IMAGINE WHAT HE SMELLS
It's alright homies. One of them has a nose! What character diversity!
What board would be most triggered by this image?
Asking for a friend.
oh come on anon there is a lot more triggering stuff in the fandom you could use.
/co/
I need them to run a train on me
>black
>casts an Indian actress
Hmm.
do not redeem
That just reminds me that I'd really like a Neon White cartoon.
But it'd probably wind up under Adi Shankar's production.
please tell me this is not real.... viv cant be this painfully obvious designer
Sex with Alastor
>"W...What are you doing to me V...Vermin!"
>"Maybe we'll see how you like being chained up and played around with for once? hmmm?"
The Lucifer/Alastor song itself makes it obvious that Alastor is lying and is just saying shit to agitate Lucifer.
But Charlie is genuinely so ‘Tarded that Al’ saying some platitudes about how much he’s helped her and how they’ve got a bond with each other is all it takes for her to buy it and start basically cooing over him during the song.
Implications of this?
Aside from the probability of Alastor continuing to weaponize his relationship with Charlie to antagonize Lucifer for snubbing him not much. Charlie's unlikely to leave vegana any time soon, even with the forced relationship drama stapled on to the end of e6.
Charlie is an idiot.
Also the sky is blue.
News at 11.
Fake news
This shown go from edgy slice of life to /r/atheism so hard that's it's not even funny.
I denounce the Talmud.
motherfricker
Where are the historical figures in the Heaven and Hell of Hazbin Hotel, like Hitler, Stalin, Caligula, Al Capone, Boss Tweed, Genghis Khan, Albert Fish, Elizabeth Bathroy, Rasputin and Dante in Hell along with Elvis, Pope John Paul II, Abraham Lincoln, Jimi Hendrix, Isaac Newton, John Lennon, Joan of Arc and Queen Elizabeth II (as an added ripped from the headlines and added at the last minute gag) in Heaven
>Abraham Lincoln
Shut up Cletus. Time for another march to the sea. I think Viz said those souls get vaporized instantly. Would have been better if they were just a cutaway gag like Jeffrey Dahmer's cooking show.
He said Lincoln in heaven anon
Nope
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The Union that Fought the Confederacy would utterly despise you Vaush.
*nevermind i can't read.
Well that’s bullshit. We’re supposed to believe the mist influential people in history got nowhere in hell because they’re heckin racist but gaylastor is somehow in charge
moron.
I do wonder how does Hell deal with Dictators, since after they are deposed and killed they would likely have a large amount of followers in Hell and they would get a rather large powerbase from the start.
well they tecnicachly act selflessly, do nont steal, and stick it to the man
None of those things are true.
So we know Vaggie is an exterminator Angel, Who probably isn’t ‘related’ to anyone and is just like a clone trooper born in a pod or smth, And Charlie is Lucifer and Lilith’s daughter.
We know that the rest of the male members of Angel Dusts family are in hell with him, And his twin sister is in heaven.
If we take the pilot as canon, then Pentious potentially had a son, and obviously would have had a father and mother, who, since he lived and died in the 1800s, Should all be dead by now, but we don’t know their status.
What is the assumed status of any relatives of Husk, Niffty and Alastor?
Never specified so either dead or in heaven
>Spider being put on a literal leash by the moth
>Sparkledog talks about how he’s also on a leash
>Initially I think he’s just trying to relate / being metaphorical
>Oh no, In Episode 5 the deer literally spawns a another literal leash and puts it around his neck.
>Oh and also the deer is ‘on a leash’ which means we’ll probably also see him getting tossed around at some point by one
>Another scene of the spider being put on a leash again and beaten in the next episode.
This an ‘authors barely disguised fetish’ thing isn’t it?
>furries in bondage gear
>any disguise whatsoever
It's pretty obvious Viv has a bondage fetish.
Can see this kind of crap in Helluva too.
I don't think its a bondage fetish but a more specific pet play thing, a "loving master/slave" thing
The gay owl in her other show also puts his Imp on a leash iirc, but that’s not a rapey / enslavement thing, but a consensual sex BDSM thing
I don’t know what scenes xeir storyboarded but Raph actually advertised some keychain she / her friend was selling where it’s Alastor holding Husk by a leash which is the exact colour they actually used in the show, so I think the Alastor beating down Husk scene may have been another Raph diamond
I would just like to point out that
is the 666th post on its thread.
You know if they just changed that and just said the exterminators whacked ANYONE in hell, Hellborn or not, the silly “kids? In hell?” Argument kinda vanishes and Vaggies backstory become at least ‘decent’
they could have easily switched out the stupid bowtie with an inverted cross, it is associated with him after all
i liked the upside down cross on his robe
>Lucifer is at least on the same level of power as Alastor
i dont know about y'all but I got the sense Lucifer was so absurdly powerful, that dick measuring with alastor was beneath him.
In fact, the song made it pretty obvious, like Short King was offering champagne fountains and caviar, he'll rig the rules for you babe while Alastor was going "Y-YEAH CHARLIE BUT COME ON, ARENT I LIKEABLE? WE'RE FRIENDS!!! I MAKE YOU LAUGH" without anything to actually offer
Desperate AF
In fact Alastor came across a bit weak by how provoked he was by Lulu, even demeaning himself into flexing his power Kaiju mode instead of just summoning tentacle portals and going into a brawl with NPC's.
He was scarier when he was beating overlords at cards.
Which mind you I'm not complaining, I loved seeing alastor being taken down a peg in a way that makes him complex
Average Gay Non-Baptized serial Masturbator /misc/ Cinemaphile poster
>Average Gay Non-Baptized serial Masturbator /misc/ Cinemaphile poster
kek, you are implying the underage people use this site anon?
I'm implying if heaven comes down for a purge of filth it could not do better than to start here
Anon this site is just what everyone else has in their hearts already, they are just afraid to say it or haven't found outlets like this yet.
Yes.
It is Hell.
>underage people use this site anon?
Aren't they like half the userbase?
>MY LITTLE KING CANNOT BE THIS CUTE
I love him Cinemaphile and I'm tired of pretending I dont
>Golden fiddle
So he did beat Johnny after all.
He could have just made another.
>left-handed violin
delightfully devilish
Lucifer was funny to me and instantly took a spot in my top 5.
Artists... please fix this mess
Why is viv white washing?
Does Charlie want to redeem pedos too?
Probably. The writers won't touch that with a 10 foot pole though.
St. Peter should've been a rabbit.
Michael when?
I feel like Michael is one Vivzie isn't gonna touch. If he isn't one of the exterminators, it makes no sense considering a huge part of his biblical role is beating up Satan
So, where's the mega link for episode six? I wanna see unmasked Lute
How to commission Emily Charlie wel vaggie is focused to watch in a cuck cage?
If any of you morons ask how to decode this again I'm biting your heads off
>(Episodes 5 + 6)
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I seen to be moronic and can't figure it out.
Then you don't get to download it
here's the decoded mega
https://mega.nz/folder/Em9hhLoZ#D0IOFEbrPj9REIqZv-k-6Q
Moving it now cause the point of encoding is to NOT have it deleted by copyright hounds
1 month from extermination already?
Holy hell the plot is moving at breaking neck speed the final episode will crash hard if it continues like this.
Are they that afraid that audiences will lose interest and blowing their load or is it just the way Viz do things? I haven't watched Helluva.
I unironically believe that she wasn't expecting to be contracted for two seasons and wrote a script meant for a miniseries.
HB is infinitely better than HH when it comes pacing, at least in their first season, HB doesn't overwhelm you with tons of stuff, or makes the viewer feel that they wanted to put on the table everything right away
I blame A24
Nah this one is on Viv, you can tell that she was so scared that this thing weren't getting another season that she forced everything she could in this one
Maybe this was necessary. Maybe if we had mare than 8 episodes then we wouldn't have all those good moments because the quality would be worse
Worse? How? This is a web series, not a tv serial. Even 20 episodes isn't unreasonable, especially after what 4 to 5 years? I mean you can still see obvious mistakes in the show and frick that shaky zoom in and out cam especially. Either she had no faith in this potentially getting more seasons or it was an Amazon agreement to make more as like many streaming service they don't want ton of episodes per season due to costs.
I feel like the story will be almost over in episode 8 though. She rushed that too fast. I'm sorry what I'm saying doesn't make sense but I simply have no imagination to imagine what other episodes could be about. This is all just a mess and I enjoy the cringe fandom and the episodes we have already so I don't feel a need for more even if it would be nice but I don't know how it would be like so I just can't care
Yeah i'm surprised at how fast everything is going. Given how the pilot was paced (and Helluva Boss) I thought we'd be getting at least 10-12 episodes, with a focuse more on the day to day of the hotel and trying to redeem angel dust or any of the other sinners.
>8 episodes
>Viv can act like a moron all she wants as its 24's money
It was always gonna end as a mess
I know right, this is like one of the few shows people would consume episodes of the characters just hanging around without complaints but we got just plot reveal after plot reveal with more plot reveal
>tumblr sexyman
ok, for real, what the frick that even means?!
tumblr is not a thing anymore, can someone explains me this buzzword?!
does he look like the Onceler? Then he's a tumblr sexyman
Can a femanon explain what about this archetype is hot?
>Skinny
>Rich
>Powerful
>Corrupt but not really
>Charm (optional)
It's just the teen wolf kind of heartthrob there really isn't much to say
He's rich
"tumblr sexyman" is an archetype of character that is/was extremely popular with tumblr users (aka teen girls/young women). Characteristics generally including, but not limited to:
>tall + skinny
>dressed fancy (suit, bowtie and/or top hat)
>having evil or dark aspects to their character, but without being completely irredeemable
>charismatic and well spoken
Alastor checks pretty much all these boxes and was very likely inspired by characters of that archetype. If Hazbin Hotel had released 10 years earlier, he would have hit tumblr like crack in low income neighbourhoods.
>ok, for real, what the frick that even means?!
Just a moronic buzzword gays throw on anything they don't like without any rhyme or reason
A male character that does that use the website Tumblr find sexy.
Gabu when?
She's busy tooting on Earth.
>Charlie actually says "Thanks Dad" along with Lucifer's clones when he gives her the family rate
Aw that's cute.
I'm not crazy about the estranged father angle being used again as opposed to Daddy's girl naturally evolving into youthful rebellion inspired by what Lucifer preached but didn't practice. I would have sworn they were building up to him being more domineering and overly protective of his daughter while absolutely dismissive of the Sinners, which he pretty much is but they just made him estranged and socially awkward as well even though he pretty does all the same stuff.
Did laugh at "HEY b***h!" though.
Lucifer is just another part of the show that seems rushed. It feels like we should really have gotten a whole episode presenting him as a callous aloof sarcastic butthole, and then had the heart to heart with his daughter in a later episode. You can almost hear the set up in the phone conversation they have - if we'd only had Charlie's point of view Lucifer would have come across as the disinterested prick Charlie's "daddy issues" set us up to expect him to be.
There is a debacle now about scene with Pentious getting raped by a lot of people being another inconsistency and I decided to maybe rewrite it a little. Maybe the Sinners who get him after he says he will frick everyone take him outback, but instead of raping him Sinners are telling Pentious about how he needs to man up and get the girl he wants and stop acting like this and Pentious goes:
Pentious:
>You are all so nice... Why are you all in Hell?
One buff Sinner looking like a bull:
>One day was angry... Stumbled on annoying kid, punched that one 'til them stopped movin'. Got send to jail a bit la'er. Got the chair. Uncomfortable piece of junk.
Another, female dog looking one one:
>Jumped one guy, rode him, got him hooked up on stuff before. Guy was traumatized, think he offed themself later. Not before they did me in.
Another one, small looking like a purple shadow of a man with horns:
>Burned a house to the ground after trying to steal from it. Bunch of people burned. Dead. Got boozed afterwards and got hit by car.
Bull from the start:
>We all did our share to be 'ere. But not enough for it to be all that we is. We did enough to get why we 'ere... an enough to regret.
silence falls over the room
Female Sinner:
> 'Tis what this place is for. Consent. It for sinners who did wrong and want to not do wrong no more. We all regret, we all have to live with it. We all want to fix it...
Shadow Demon:
>We got all eternity for it. And you too. If you do not get it with this Cyclop gal so what? Another good is bound to fall here sooner or later. That's how this place works.
Pentious:
>I... I did a lot of wrong... I remember. Do I deserve something better?
Bull Demon:
>Who knows? What do you think? You think you deserve it?
Pentious:
>...
Bull Demon:
>Don't answer. Go out there and find out champ.
Bull places his hand firmly on Pentious's shoulder and pushes him out the door
Viv has wet dreams in which she writes like that.
Glad you enjoy it. Overall I would like more comradery like this from Sinners. Not them being some innocent angels really, but people who were genuinely awful, but came to regret their decisions, but also are not angry over being in Hell. I wish there was more nuance like this in the show.
I would like it more if it was like a prison, people are always at their edge, there's constant fights and deubachery but most people keep to themselves and don't trust anyone they didn't already know before getting there.
I personally would strive for more variety. Some Sinners are on edge while some others are more relaxed as they accepted where they are. Some keep on being terrible, while some others gain new perspective thanks to their new position like here
all is still terrible and they have to live through terrible torment, but all of them react differently to it. Also in what I wrote there I would put this music over it
How would that scene play out if one of them had raped a kid?
I say probably the same with maybe some of them looking at them with more judging look. All of them did terrible things and came to regret. One of them there murdered a kid after all because of being pissed off at something. They are all terrible people that did terrible things, but want to at least somewhat atone or just not harm anyone else.
>satan and lucifer both exist but lucifer is the fallen angel in this scenario
what the frick is this worldbuilding
Satan and Lucifer being separate is one of the least odd spins this show could have done. It's the tradition among most major denominations that they're presented as the same beings but it's something that's easily debatable, particularly when you start dabbling with Gnostic ideas that the Serpent in the garden convincing Adam and Eve to eat the fruit was actually a good guy, where as Satan in the Old Testament is generally presented as an active figure in heaven judging humanity overall as wicked.
Come to think of it Adam in this show pretty much plays the role of Satan in the book of Job.
>2 more episodes and it’s over
Will Viv get mad at people for actually liking Adam?
She will go back to slitting her own wrists.
First time?
i guess i cant blame viv entirely. medieval demonologists were fricking moronic for the seven princes of hell concept.
frick the english for making lucifer a thing anyways by equating the morning star "falling" to that canaanite bullshit about venus challenging the heavens. roman lucifer did nothing wrong
I believe that Satan hasn't been named even once in the bible, it's just the "enemy".
We don't know the name of the designed fallen angel, he's just the enemy and other titles but has no name like the angel Gabriel.
I wonder if the history of him being one of most wonderful angels once was also bullshit.
the vulgate and later medieval christianity (especially) took a lot of creative liberties with the bible.
as far as i'm aware, there are no fallen angels in original scripture
Alright this is where things get dumb.
The fallen angels first show up in the Book of Enoch, which is considered non-canonical because reasons. To rectify this, the church took a random passage from Isaiah that is most likely about a Babylonian king and said that it was actually detailing how Satan fell, this is where we get Lucifer, but the result is now the church had to basically make up Satan lore. Then the Black Plague happened, and Satan sorta got a huge popularity boost as Europe got steadily more obsessed with the concept of death and the Catholic church came up with the vast majority of how we view hell, demons, et cetera.
nta but if i understand things right
>satan (name) and lilith was never part of the bible
>lilith was from some israeli folktale that somehow became part of the bible
>idk where satan is from, but he somehow got a place in the bible
>there was a fallen angel in the og bible but he was never named. he later became named "satan" and it stuck.
>lucifer wasnt from the bible either, but became part of the bible and was confused with satan somehow
>there was never a devil all along, or there is but it is not named
"The Devil's greatest trick was convincing others that he exists." or however that quote went
Lilith never became apart of the Bible. She's a mesopotamian demon who was given an origin story as a israeli folktale in 700AD as a means of explaining the Genesis 1-2 paradox where God seemingly creates women twice.
I repeat myself
> as a means of explaining the Genesis 1-2 paradox where God seemingly creates women twice.
How'd they explain the different order of animal and man creation?
That's not really true. Revelation has a pretty explicit story of Michael and "The Dragon" battling in heaven resulting in The Dragon's fall to Earth and then to Hell. It's just that the character of Satan the Accuser has been merged with like 5 others people mentioned through out the bible, and then the assumption he's half the bad people mentioned in Revelation under a dozen different names.
It's not as if early Christianity was at all theologically aligned with itself. There were countless sects, both israeli and Gentile, with wildly different interpretations often influenced by what specific Apostle talked to them and then interpreted through their own mythos and understanding of the Supernatural.
Wait, so we don't even know who the devil is?
Maybe the real Devil was the friends we made along the way.
afaik in many occult circles, Satan is a personification of the material world itself and not really an individual being, but i could be talking outta my ass
Yeah, pretty much all demon lore is
either
>Canaanite/Babylonian deities
>church interpretation,
>apocrypha
>shit that someone just made up in the middle ages
Making Lucifer Helel was so uncalled for.
Why did they do that to him. He din do nuthin
It depends on what do you mean by "devil"
the demiurge did nothing wrong, homie is doing his best, leave him alone!
kek, he's just like me fr fr.
He kinda is. He just needs to let the last vestiges of divinity leave. If he wasn't trapping it in and just went full material we could all be comfortably numb under his rule.
TLDR on this lion snake guy
I know X gays love him but what his deal?
LARPs as God but isn't and is too dumb to realise it. Created imperfect material reality.
Also Saturn.
Imagine divinity is a big family but they have a kid who is allergic to divinity. He makes himself a little bubble like the dude who was allergic to oxygen and plays with himself.
The rest of divinity is pissed as frick at him though because he still needs to breathe. For them it's all or nothing if you can't be a normal God you shouldn't exist.
Cosmologically speaking reality is the tard bubble. The rest of divinity is trying to rip humanity out so Demi can suffer alone instead of playing with dolls.
Demiurge is a fallen angel that created humanity so that he can be like God. He failed and as such we are I'm perfect.
Gnosticism is a branch off of early Christianity. They believe that the true creator wouldn't make an imperfect being like humanity so we must have been made by an imperfect creator thus the demiurge who isn't perfect made us calling himself our creator and saying that the true God was the devil. These followers reject the demiurge and must attone for being born imperfect and that being alive is an affront to God's love and as such must make themselves worthy of God.
Basically
By killing themselves?
Is this from where all the white robes suicide sects with poisoned ponches portrayed as a meme in many medias reffer to?
Not at all. If anything the original Christianity was a doomsday cult as they believed the end times was coming very soon. It's why some sects today only believe a very few people will go to heaven because at the time it was reasonable to say only a couple thousand sand people were good enough to earn Gods mercy. They were expecting things to wrap up in a generation or two. It's also why some israelites believe they are living in the end times.
All semetic religions are obsessed with the End Times in a way other religions are not. Not even their Mother religion cared about it.
>mother religion
what is that? What was the Semetic mother religion?
Tier one:
Sumerian
Tier two:
1.Babylonian
2.Tribal Semetic
Tier Three:
1.(1->)Hititte
2.(1+2->)Judaism
Tier Four:
1. (1)Greek (including scythians ect.)
2. (1) Celtic
3. (1)Ancient Hindu
4. Judaism (stays relevant)
Tier Five
1. (1->) Romans
2. (2->) Mainland Celtic (quite distinct actually)
3. (3->) Regular hinduism
3. (4->)Christianity
Tier Six
1. (1+4) Contemporary Christianity
2. (3->) Buddhism
Tier Seven
1.(1->) Islam
2.(2->) Contemporary Shinto (Buddhism and Ancient shinto union)
prisca theologia my Black person. All most all contemporary religion comes from Sumeria.
How is Buddhism tier six when it's older than Christianity and is branch off of Hinduism which just as old as Judaism
Because the tiers aren't eras but evolutions with a bit of padding so things weren't entirely jumbled.
Sumerian->Bablyonian->Hititte->Ancient Hindu->Hindu->Buddhism->Contemporary Shinto
Ahhh Roger that.
No. Gnosticism was a big leagues but heavily suppressed early Christian heresy. The suicide cult references are to a handful of late twentieth century US religious groups.
In reality, the Christian Devil is a very nebulous concept. It wasn't really until the Medieval era that ideas/lore about him were solidified in various sects of Christianity because they just didn't exist lol
Not really. The satan in the desert that tried to tempt Jesus isn't "SATAN" is quite literally the word for obstacle. As in Jesus needs to overcome the obstacle of temptation. The satan for Job wasn't "Satan" either but an angel questioning if Job was in fact God's most devout faithful.
Also Abadon isn't a fallen angel Revelation straight up says he's an angel of death waiting for the Lord's command to release his legions.
you dont know? the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist
The snake that told Eve to take the apple from the tree isn't named. Adam's first wife, Lilith, is canon in Judaism but not Christianity. Satan and Lucifer are different people but like the original 9 sins dumbed down to 7, Satan and Lucifer became the same person. Lucifer being chained to the coldest part of hell is from the epic Dante's Inferno which was only made because the Italians thought poeple weren't taking going to hell seriously enough.
In Hazbin Hotel continuinity Lucifer is a certified cuckold
>No one respects him
>None of the Overlords of Hell give a shit about him
>Adam, the first man, his rival doesn't even care about him
>His wife literally took his child and served him divorced papers
>Has a meltdown in public because the radio demon touched his daughter's shoulder
>His only child has zero angelic features and looks more like a demon than him
Yeah, Lucifer lost hard.
Pretty sure he doesn't care about the opinions of demons, or Adam. He's just sad because his wife ran off.
Isn't Lucifer a title that meant "morning star"? not a person?
yeah, kind of.
think of lucifer as basically a personification of the planet venus, but also "the morning star" itself too.
lucifer worked as both a common and proper noun, which is where the confusion originates in the bible, as he was referred to as a common noun until the english translation, which i believe was the wycliffe bible, used it in proper form, which spurred his integration into christian lore.
No. It's anglicised Latin meaning "bearer/bringer of light" in the same way pine trees are conifers (bearer of cones) and aquifer (bearer of water).
Embrace the original texts. Retvrn to Enoch. Read the israeli extended lore. Go full sanddemon mode.
Or... don't. Read the Babylonian texts and realize the Torah is just really, REALLY, shit israeli fanfiction and monotheism was the first trick they ever pulled. Embrace the Hititte Thousand Pantheon instead and realize that most religions spawned from there (and sumeria and babylon that led to it).
Up to you.
The real Devil was humanity all along
I'm so smart and original
Yeah and it's funny that denying his existence fell just into his plans if you think about it, so you end up paranoid thinking you're playing right into his hands by just uncovering that some people on the middle-ages made a mess on the bible by throwing names around.
or maybe that's what he wants you to think
there's no "devil" there's many "Satans" or "Accusers" in Judeo-Christian Apocrypha, you have God's "Chief Accuser" (ha-Satan) that prosecutes the nation of Judah (the israelites), Some schollars like to call him Satanael (folloing the -el -iel -ael suffixes in angel names) This one is complicated because he's explicitly working for Yesh me-Ayin (you may know him as God or YHWH) and is given control of the fallen angels and thier children with human women (nephilim) which is what Charlie would be in hazbin if we're using 1:1 terminology, in order to to tempt humans to sin and punish them. This is not because Satanael is rebelling like Lucifer did, but rather because it's his fricking job to tempt humans in order to test their "free will" to commit evil and to put them through the crucible towards purification. Fallen Angels are not evil, they each have their jobs to do on earth, to watch humanity directly. Problem is Asbeel (one of the watchers) was very likely seduced by a human woman and he, not having free will had sex with her and ended up convincing the other watcher angels to frick human women as well...aka. It's all women's fault...again...
I already explained that to him and others. israeli Satan exists to taddle humans on God for falling in temptation. He is a narc and God lets him do things as long he doesn't kill people in the process. Mastema is way worse than Satan anyway.
>Fallen Angels are not evil
Someone needs to reread Enoch
>mentions how they are evil after this statement
>fails to mention their eternal punishment
Lmao. Also frick the grigori. Also frick you for acting like it was just prostitutes. There's loads of shit about hiding hair and all that. Divinity is as flawed as anything else given God had to tell chicks to stop letting their hair out lest angels rape 'em.
>lucifer figure did nothing wrong
neither did surtr
The modern idea of Satan is a weird chain of events
>Jews come up with the idea of Ha-Satan, God's prosecutor/narc/gatekeeper to test and tempt humanity
>Zoroaster's stuff gets introduced to Judaism and they adopt it in the form of the myths of the Watchers (Fallen Angels) who teach humans how to society and act as Promethean figures, they're banished to Earth and become demons
>the second book of Enoch introduces Satanael, the only Watcher who was banished to fall forever in a bottomless pit for daring to think himself higher than God
>Christianity gets created
>Christians proceed to merge Ha-Satan with Satanael and the Serpent from Genesis into the Satan most Christians think of today
>Paradise Lost and plenty of other Satan fanfiction made in the modern era, blah blah and you know the rest
Being Alastor's pet....
But he wouldn't even need to beat me in a card game.
I'd just sorta do whatever he wanted voluntarily, Which would seem strange to him.
>predictions for last episode
>they are going to prove a demon can recieve redemption
>adam is going to lose his wings and get kicked to hell
>alistor is going to backstab charlie and reveal his real plans.
>charlie's mom shows up in the end to save charlie.
They'll show all Adam's sins.
They abandon every interesting theme and idea presented in episode 6 to instead have le big epic battle
It's a shame. If the show just followed a more conventional interpretation of hell and the role of demons and sinners as well as keeping heaven more benevolent on the surface at least then what Charlie is doing might carry some actual weight.
Instead these are essentially just two cities orbiting earth claiming their respective titles but really not having any of their meaningful qualities. Hell is essentially just urban California.
I imagine the end goal is just Hell turning into a massive rehab center.
no the redmption will be allowed but heaven will get invaded as well at some point. Lucifer will die.
seaphim will die.
Or they kick everyone into hell and try to improve it because the show is made by a person that hates religion
R8 my theory
>The exterminations serve to keep Hell's population under control, which keeps Hell's resources from being drained and indirectly improves the livelihoods of other demons (which the angels consider an act of mercy) and ensures that Hell's threat level to the mortal world and Heaven is kept in check.
>But it also serves a hidden purpose only Sera and top-brass angels know: the Holy Spirit, the essence of life itself that is given freely from God to humans when they are created, is finite in nature. When humanity's population was small, it was easy for God to give generously; this is why the oldest demons in Hell are also the strongest, because they were given more of the Holy Spirit. But as they grew into the millions/billions, and the dead grew along with them, God has to portion out smaller contributions of the Holy Spirit to each newborn. Over time, if nothing is done, humans would barely have a shred of life to them from birth and God soon after would be reduced to non-existence.
>This is where the exterminations come in. Exorcising a demon is not the same as 'killing it', you can't kill that which is already dead. The 'exterminations' are actually returning demons back to the pool of the Holy Spirit, reincarnating them in humans. This greatly mitigates the drain on the Holy Spirit and ironically is giving them the second chance Charlie is fighting to give them with her Hotel, albeit without their memories.
>This is kept a secret because knowledge of a 'soul shortage' could spark chaos across all three planes. Charlie still protests the extermination however as without their memories, the demons, the souls as they are, still cease to exist but Sera protests there is no other solution for the dwindling Holy Spirit than pulling from existing souls, and if it's between souls in Heaven (who lived good lives and earned an eternal rest) and souls in Hell (who fricked up to get there and continue to frick up while living there) she will choose the latter.
>>This is where the exterminations come in. Exorcising a demon is not the same as 'killing it', you can't kill that which is already dead. The 'exterminations' are actually returning demons back to the pool of the Holy Spirit, reincarnating them in humans. This greatly mitigates the drain on the Holy Spirit and ironically is giving them the second chance Charlie is fighting to give them with her Hotel, albeit without their memories.
sounds to smart for Vizie
>its all just about resource shortage and making hard choices
not very religiously minded of you anon
Creativity? A clever twist?? In a Viv show??
Pfff, ha ha ha ha, yeah sure. And I'm Abraham Lincoln writing from a small hut in Pennsylvania.
Don't make me shot you again.
Come at me bruh, I'm not scared anymore, not when this hole in my forehead messing with my brain.
Vox will control Adam and the angels from the masks they’re wearing.
i think that's just adam's face
he was drinking and eating just fine, and his mouth can move, unlike Lute's mask
Adam’s hologram was able to touch Charlie and drag her out. Adam simply has some kind of ability to manipulate reality.
>40 POUNDS OF PUSSY AND ASS
bro...what is that on niffty...
toilet water
goddammit anon why did you have to say it.
I NEED TO PUT MY PENIS INSIDE LUCIFER HOLY SHIT
imagine him moaning and begging you for more with that 20 year old frat boy voice
Did charlie get chlamydia after she hugged that koala?
Hopefully the latest episode will finally shut up all the morons who were droning on about "hell good, heaven bad". Even though that complaint should never have been a thing in the first place since the premise from the beginning was that hell is a shithole full of bad people and the heaven is the goal and final destination for redeemed souls
But the latest episode shows heaven is only superficially good and that there isn't actually any clear reason why Angels get into heaven and Demons go to hell.
>superficially good
In what sense? Aside from the glowBlack folk that are Sera and Exterminators not a single soul in heaven was aware of cleansings (and judging by the fact that they were carried out in secret on purpose, most definitely because the majority wouldn't agree with them). People in heaven actually seem to be having a good time and there's nothing indicating it's a bad, oppressive or even a boring place, while hell has consistently been portrayed as, well, hell.
That's sort of the point. Heaven is "Good" because it's clean and it's population is overall happy and polite. However it condones a yearly slaughter of people for it's own self preservation despite the fact they don't actually know the precise reason for their damnation or salvation.
Isn’t this literally judgement day?
Revelations? Who fricking knows. It's the spiritual revelation of some random dude 100 years after Jesus, Writing to churches in Asia Minor undergoing persecution. Why it was thrown in when the New Testament was Canonized I have no idea. It's an absolute shit show.
Cause God declared it.
Yeah because 900 butt buddies of the Emperor gathered around to circle jerk each other. I mean look at this Andrew Tate looking mother fricker. You really think this guy has any business decided what parts of the bible were canon?
>andrew tate looking motherfricker
holy kek thank you anon
.
The frick they giving Charlie wrinkles under her eyes for?
quick i need a screenshot proving how short lucifer is
Lol
Adam still looked like some weird robot screen head. I thought that was just a fake avatar hologram thing
Is there a non-Lucifer "Satan" in HAZBIN? I'm so fricking confused now.
Yes there is one
Yes. Vivzie's seven sins are specifically based on Peter Binsfield's classification of demons, where Lucifer and Satan are treated as different entities.
Christianity isn't canon to HH, it just uses some names and aesthetics.
In traditional Judao-Christian circles Satan appears when he thinks he knows a sinner is going to hell and tells God to watch. Satan is the big I TOLD YOU SO angel in Heaven and has no relation with Lucifer.
Is there any non-human character in this show (or Helluva Boss) with brown hair?
wheres the lucifer porn
billions must die. Also if anyone has screencaps of my wife without her mask id be much appreciated amen
Sure, bro.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=9430169
looking for anything in particular or...?
Mental illness
brah have you seen the alastor anon and his collection? There is like 140 pictures in there.
this is nothing
Nta but can you give the source for those nsfw ones?
https://twitter.com/Qiller_plus/status/1751012019963064754
Remember anon, masturbation is a sin...
thank you anon
>Kept telling people that those executioners wear led masks as the fat b***h vivi said a long time ago and never refuted her words
>They are exactly that are probably all attractive underneath
Feels good that at least they got that out of the way
I just love how she just took her mask of because... just because the writers needed you to know at this point that she was an executioner. Like why not construct it as the child was so scared she took it off to not frighten him and then have her realized she cant do it anymore and that's what made Lute tattle on her.
Serpentious saying he's gonna have sex with everyone was predictable given the pattern but it still made me crack up
Comedy comes in threes
Reminder that Velvet and Vox don't deserve to be in Hell.
I'm just glad I don't have to know anything about religion to watch my deviantart show. I don't understand any of this and honestly don't want to. Christmas and Easter is as far as my knowledge goes.
Thoughts on Lilith given Alastor his powers becaue he made a pact with her before dying? After doing what he wanted for a while it was time to pay up and do what Lilith wants. A hunch that Lilith wants to shake up the status quo with Heaven and since Lucifer won't do it, she will play the cards into Charlie's hands. And Alastor hates doing this but has no choice in the matter since he made a deal before dying.
It explains why he was so strong when he landed in hell too.
He really doesn't seem to hate her all that much but maybe I'm moronic and getting worked. That we get to see him when he's on his own or at least among peers like Husker and he still maintains the facade lends to it.
That's supposed to be Saint Peter of The Gates?
Christianity is such a confusing religion when you think about it for more than five seconds, and it's kind of insane how big the Abrahamic religions are with how much scripture has changed over the course of the last thousand years.
Like what the frick do you mean the character of Lucifer the Fallen Angel is only a part of Christianity due to a translation error made regarding a metaphor several centuries ago.
comes par the course of every big religion and mythology out there. gods are eldritch and beyond our human reasoning
If you go by scripture it's not that confusing. People don't go by scripture they go by church fanfics.
When people die they die. There is no Heaven or Hell - well there is a Heaven but only two mortals will ever be allowed in - Mary and Jesus. Then once they get bored of Earth they do another end times but instead of a flood they have 4 kill methods just to be sure. After that they resurrect all the dead and herd them off to one of three fates: A new world a.k.a heaven, a pit of eternal torture (probably where the nephlem were kept) a.k.a Hell, or to wander the now Godless landscape, masters of their own domain a.k.a purgatory.
There is an oppositional force that fricked with Jesus but that's about the extent of it. All evil is actually just wayward divinity - like angels who were told to protect people but got too horny or too angry and sanctimonious.
Basically God is absolute but nothing he creates is. Not even his most divine servants are above betrayal and vice. Which is why he rewards the stalwart.
You're right, and I probably should've been more clear in my post in that I was mainly referring to it from a meta perspective.
>but instead of a flood they have 4 kill methods just to be sure
Those methods being?...
Have you not heard of the Four Horsemen? They are kinda iconic even for people who aren't theologically inclined.
I don't do Christianity and wasn't really aware the Horsemen actually had some practical purposes and weren't just symbolic
>wasn't really aware the Horsemen
They're like one of the few things most media do from the Judea-Christian myth.
It gets crazier when you dig deeper and learn Yahweh was originally one of the Canaanite gods and a war god, and the whole promoting him as the One True God is his way of dabbing on his rivals and wiping them out.
If you believe that is the whole story you still have a lot further down the rabbit hole to fall.
Guide me, this thread is taking me places, open my eyes anon no, but seriously
See
Read some scripture then read the existing Babylonian Texts like the Enuma Elis. You can infer a lot about how things were changed. In the same way Hazbin has plot holes because it kept all the results of God but removed him from the setting the interpretations of Sumerian lore like the semetic scripture keeps a lot of the same figures and symbols but with increasingly diminished context and meaning.
I laughed pretty heartily after realizing Moses is a proper Deviant Art recolour ala Coldsteel the Hedgehog
He was also sort of merged with El(another canaanite god who was the father god in that pantheon).
Are you new? Even the so called Greek myth creations were born from other sources. Like how Hades was basically inserted in the stories despite most of those depictions being for Poseidon with the Cthonics. This is really new.
>Christianity is such a confusing religion
Compared to what?
It helps when you remember that one of the biggest things Christianity did constantly to help convert people was taking bits and pieces of the conquered cultures and adding it to the religion to appease the new converts, so it can make things confusing.
Better than burning to the ground completely like Islam.
yeah the jihads back then were quite brutal, i don't blame christians for enacting the crusades
Rome did that. You could make a genuine article that Roman christianity is already an extreme off-shoot of actual christianity.
You mean they baptized the foreign gods. Because every knee shall bow.
Congratulations on figuring out how mythology works!
Why is Lucifer fricking 5'5?
dude
IM 5'4 and im pretty sure hes shorter than I am
I honestly can’t wait to see Charlie go full Anti-Christ on someone, probably Adam.
They keep pushing her and her horns start growing, it’s gonna be amazing once she lets loose.
Why do you people want this show to turn into dbz so much? I swear sooner or later you'll start talking about how Charlie should be betrayed so she can finally ENTER or some shit
Let me explain something to you. The power structure of Hell exists because the strong make the weaker ones kneel.
You people are autistic
Just like on Earth.
The moment she does something like that she will pretty much kill the whole hazbin project
Charlie won't go full anti Christ because she's half Angel.
I really hope Viv doesn't pull the "Adam is actually ugly" joke, he is supposed to be the first human if Lilith and Eve are hot as the first girls he needs to be handsome too
He’s the grandfather of every ugly man just as much as he’s the grandfather of every pretty man.
>I really hope Viv doesn't pull the "Adam is actually ugly" joke
You know she's going to do it.
Wouldn’t this mean that Eve truly loved him like Lute did?
Since the other thread is kill is the Valentino anon in this one because I have thoughts
The fact there wasnt a (named) devil in the first place is actually interesting as frick.
What is the original Jesus/God/Holy Spirit/Trinity/whatever He goes by?
>The fact there wasnt a (named) devil in the first place
As in, in the original genesis story or in the bible in general? Because he's in there. He and Jesus have an epic rap battle in the desert.
woops, should had been more clearer in typing my post. As in he was never Satan. He was just the Devil, and we never know the name of him
>amazing Alastor X Lucifer song gets ruined by a rushed character introduction
Viv please stop....save these dudes for later... what's next? Baxter is going to show up singing in the middle of the war?! C'mon now
Please tell me Emily will die.
t. Adam
t. Vaggie
Nope! Charlie will breakup with Vaggie and will marry Emily!
They're sisters and Sera is Lilith.
It’s funny how they even have a better romance story than Chaggie, like the princess of Hell meeting a Seraphim of heaven and finding they both love the same things is better than some random fallen Angel Charlie found in the trash.
that camera shot is TRÆSH. not animated on ones. I saw viv animate sir pentius on ones in the pilot.
Cherri Bomb's random aussie accent is distracting
Power level *voice*
>Great
Velvet, Charlie
>Bad
Vaggie, Lucifer sounds like a power bottom b***h kek
this was actually an interesting history lesson of a thread, and it further cements how awful Viz's writing and ideas are. There's so many opportunities to take
I really wanted Satan to be the receptionist of Heaven who would look at Charlie, give her a letter to deliver to her dad, and when Lucifer reads the letter it just calls him a b***h made cuck.
> Cinemaphile-Theology and Religion
t. Lucifer regretting giving mankind free will from God
t. The Builder pretending mankind's knowledge came from malice (and confusing knowledge with freewill lmao)
explain my good sir what you mean by this.
a) the Serpent gave knowledge not Freewill. Freewill has given by God and is the reason the temptation could happen at all
b) the Builder sees wisdom as sin and punishes humanity for reaching further within themselves as it is the first step to leaving his domain
so I get part a) but b) is losing me
so satan is the builder
so satan thinks wisdom is sin?
why the frick would he think that?
and what the frick is this about a domain? is this jujutsu kaisen now?
The religious/religious history/apocryphal autism has honestly been the most fun part of the Hazbin threads. It's fun to see everyone jump in with their own little nuggets of information, what came from where and how it relates to the series, how well or how poorly Vivzie parodied xyz,
<3
on a slightly unrelated note I cannot wait until we see loona again.
She is my Alastor
Are you ready for the season finale?
God I wish that was Vaggie instead. t. Emily
Pentious has fricked at LEAST once and with multiple people at that. Retract this image at once!
He didn't frick. He got fricked. I wonder if the cherry bomb thing will ever go anywhere or he just got cucked and that's the end of the story.
Think of it this way. How would you feel if a giant Cobra Man slithered up to you and said "Let's have ssseeexxxxx." Would you take up on it?
>the actual good characters are at risk of being offed
No...
I just wish stamper could've voiced him, his style is so entertaining
do you think lucifer would let me give him a rimjob?
Someone explain the Trinity in easier terms.
The daddy, the son, and the Holy Spirit.
>Daddy
... Oh dear god, guys, I know how Vivzie is gonna portray Jesus, it was right in front of us
How's Viv gonna potray God when her world was created by the angels?
>b-but she portrayed St. Peter
Yeah, as a twink frickboy. No relation to the actual saint.
Like THIS
>arr rook same
Is that literally it? People kept saying knowing about the Trinity is supposed to be a huge mind frick
I know about God and Jesus, but who/what is the Holy Spirit? That one was never mentioned as often as the two
Depends on who you ask. Personally I like the 'speed force' definition where the spirit is Logos and Logos is the divine principle of Order which is eminent above all. 1:1 In the beginning there was the Word.
In this case you could see Logos as the speed force. God as Barry Allen and Jesus as Wally West.
Yesh me-Ayin (YHWH) is the "father" creator, formed from the void, perfect balance. He's moody tribal and prone to throwing world ending fits whenever humans and their free will start misbehaving.
Yehoshua ben Yusuf ibn Naserat (aka. Joshua son of Yusuf of the town of Naserat) - A israeli Nazarite who at the age of 33 started his ministry of the "Kingdom of Heaven" he preached that only through his teachings and through him could man inherit the kingdom of heaven. He became popular because he didn't condemn people for their sins but rather preached that EVERYONE sinned and that only through loving God with all your strength and self and loving your fellow man without prejudice could you would receive your reward in the kingdom of heaven. He started calling himself the King of Judah and the King of israelites. The high priests did not like this, called for his arrest but the Roman judge found no reason to condemn him under Roman law, so to avoid riots and unrest ended up giving him over to the priests who condemned him to die. He was then "crucified" and out of mercy killed by a Roman soldier named Longinus who took pitty for him. Christians belive that Yehoshua resurected after 3 days and that he was infact a manifestation of God the Father as a man. And started to spread his teachings and speaking of his miracles. This is where Christianity comes from.
The Holy Spirit - The raw and unstopable power of God which is manifested by his believers, it is the energy that allows them to perform miracles such as being able to preach without knowing the local language, those who know how to manifest enough of this power could potentially do even grander things. The spirit is likened to a flame burning within the believer and it is believed that Yehoshua's followers first experienced its power on the day of Pentecost.
there, the trinity in it's simplicity (believe me there's A LOT more than all that)
it should be noted that mainstream Christianity says all three of these are 3 separate people while being in the same 'being'
that is the big mind frick
btw good summary of the characters here
>The Holy Spirit - The raw and unstopable power of God which is manifested by his believers, it is the energy that allows them to perform miracles such as being able to preach without knowing the local language, those who know how to manifest enough of this power could potentially do even grander things. The spirit is likened to a flame burning within the believer and it is believed that Yehoshua's followers first experienced its power on the day of Pentecost.
Is it possible to learn this power?
NOT FROM A JEDI...or from most modern day Christians really. Very few individuals have "True Faith and belief" with is one of the necessary requirements to manifest it.
>Longinus
I couldn't find anything about him killing Jesus out of mercy, all I could find is that he was actually condenmed to a cave where a lion would maul him everyday until the end times.
Prometheus, much? That's straight out Greek Mythology level punishment.
Woooooah and did you here about Zeus and the floods?!
lmao
You'd be surprised how often Greek Myths and Christianity overlap with each other.
Mediterranean and Red Sea sailors would have exchanged stories with each other. It checks out, the same way that Southeast Asians make a big deal about the Ramayana despite it being the national myth of India.
Wasn't Saturnalia Greek, and the reason Christians had to invent Christmas from nothing? Or was it Roman... always forget, though I suppose they kind of have interchangeable faiths.
There's also Zeus hospitality myth being similar to Lot being visited by two divine beings. The themes of these stories are all about finding hospitality in a place where people are sinful or rude.
And how those greek myths overlap with Hititte myths. Almost like they share a common origin...
The Christian bible only mentions that he "stabbed Yehoshua with his spear to "tests if he was still alive or dead" only to present the stupid shit claim of only "water" exiting the wound" In reality again this is all the victim of constant mistranslation and reinterpretation. The guy took pitty on a man that they themselves (the Romans) knew to be innocent, and that stab with the spear was to prevent Yehoshua from spending DAYS in agonizing pain up on that tree...yes Yehoshua wasn't crucified on a standing cross like most dumbshit christcucks believe, it would've been on a grove of trees on a hill outside Jeoushalaim "or Jerusalem as it is mispronounced in english"
I can believe Angel's friendship with Husk but he's not had enough time with everyone else for me to believe he cares about them. I guess they made a 5-month skip where they had off-screen adventures, but I didn't get to see that.
I don't know why anyone could defend 12 episodes let alone 8.
Haha I hope you see this anon I had some fun thoughts...
>be you, a recently condemned sinner who has woken up in hell in an unfamiliar body (fill in the blank on how you look)
>you're hungry but you have no money to buy food
>doesn't matter since you can't die of starvation but it still hurts
>have to navigate the streets of hell carefully or else you'll end up cannibalized, mutilated, or dead all over again just to painfully regenerate
>every day is a nightmare and no matter what you try you can't seem to pull it together to get a steady job or find a place to stay
>this is way worse than your living life
>finally manage to run errands for a shopkeeper that is way too nice to be in hell and she pays you enough for a night on the town
>frick it you won't starve so you deserve to let loose and get drunk for the first time in forever
>enter night club where you finally take time to gawk at just how sexy some demons are
>unsure if you yourself are sexy in this form
>Valentino happens to catch a glance at you standing in the corner with a drink, looking as closed as a clam
>He knows fresh meat when he sees it
>Has one of his girls call you over to where he's sitting
>Wow he looks important, surrounded by so many beautiful and handsome sinners and smoking some sort of fancy red smoke cigar
>You approach him and offer a timid, "h-hello..."
>He motions for you to come closer and touches your face tenderly
>Your heart is pounding
>Despite his razor sharp teeth, he's dangerously handsome and he's wearing a gentle expression
>He says, "you poor little beauty, you...did you just get here?"
>You nod
>"It's so scary here, isn't it? You look utterly exhausted...here, sit with me."
>You sit next to him and he pulls his coat over you to keep you warm
>This is the first time anyone has ever shown any concern for you out of the goodness of their heart
>He asks you to tell him all about yourself
>Acts genuinely interested, tells you that hell is no place for a girl with your beauty to be wandering alone and that if you will allow it he'll make sure you're taken care of
>Takes you home with him and makes sweet love to you
>Actually better than any sex you ever had on Earth
>Invites you to stay in his apartment
>Ask if this makes you his girlfriend
>He says, "of course"
>Makes sure you're fed every day and comfortable, but doesn't take you out with him every night
>Refuses to elaborate what he does for work but gives you some tips on surviving the streets
>One night asks if he can record having sex with you
>You agree and find it kinda romantic
>He lavishes you with gifts, kisses you all the time and spoils you, gives you unending orgasms every night
>The next week asks you to try drugs with him
>Insists it's nothing addictive and he knows you aren't someone who could get hooked, it's just a little fun
>Get absolutely fricked up with him
>This turns into a three day binge for you
>Feel ashamed after the fact and apologize to him, he's understandably disappointed
>"I really didn't think you were like that"
>He starts acting distant but of course he had given you extra doses, even forcing you to take more and more although you don't remember
>You swear to not touch any substances again and can't apologize enough
>You love him so much and you are afraid of losing him
>You don't want to be alone again in hell
>Ask if there's anything you can do
>"You could help me with my work."
>Well okay.
>"But first you have to sign a contract with me. It's a formality for the studio."
>Well...okay.
>"And understand that I will own your soul."
>A little intimidating, but that's fine.
>Sign the contract and smile at him, thinking that you are finally rebuilding some progress
>A chain appears around your neck and wrapped around his wrist and he slams you to the floor
>Tells you that it took long enough to get you to sign yourself off
>Informs you that you're going to make him a frickton of money making porn for him
>His investors already liked what he recorded of you weeks ago
>You are in disbelief, ask him, "I thought you were my boyfriend? I thought...this was a relationship."
>"I'm a lot of frickups' boyfriend and I'm in a lot of relationships--business relationships. Did you think all of this was for free?!"
>From this day forward you are Valentino's bawd and he makes you do the most degrading sex acts imaginable on camera
>The worst part is that you still love him and still crave to see that soft side of him again
>Every now and then he grants it to you--just a slice of compassion enough that it keeps you compliant
>You become obsessed with him and realize that this is now your forever until one day the executioners strike you down
>But that would never happen, right?
>Val will protect you so long as you're one of his favorite toys
Jesus should look completely normal
Lucifer is kind of a dull ass character design compared to everyone in this series so it also figures Jesus would be boring.
I mean that he's completely ordinary. Not even a weirdo
>Pogchamp
>We will never see these two goofballs interacting
FRICK
Anyone else think they're building up Adam to do a rape? They're making him seem very rapey, like the stereotype football player jock in old high school movies who loves to rape the cheerleaders.
I really wish the visuals in Heaven were more "out there" That courtroom looked entirely too normal.
Alastor definitely cares about someone from the Morningstar family at least to get THIS mad at Lucifer. If Lilith really owns his soul, and she and Lucifer are no longer a thing, he would probably be calmer with Lucifer, maybe even be on his side since they're both men fricked over by the same woman. But he's absolutely furious at Lucifer's entire existence, it's not just that he wants to do a power move with Charlie, the second he shows up he's seething internally.
My guess is that he's genuinely friends with the real Lilith/Rosie. and she's trying to help him out of being controlled by Eve (who's pretending to be Lillith somehow). So he's upset at Lucifer for allowing his good friend Lilith to suffer and letting the fake b***h rule over him.
With Hazbin Hotel's throwback aesthetic, I'm almost surprised Charlie and Vaggie don't go to a Kittie concert.
Do you think there's any chance Viv would drop the Eve/Lillith/Rosie mixup thing since people are already figuring out and making fun of how underwhelming the Vaggie=Angel reveal was, which the fandom also figured out before the show even aired
I don’t think that’s how animated programming works. Isn’t season 2 already mostly finished?
I thought it just got greenlit?
Regardless if Hazbin is supposed to be 4 seasons like Viv said there's still time to change things
I just think it's boring because there's no surprise
They’re probably gonna try to wrap up as much of the show as possible in season 1, though maybe a few select reveals might be saved for 2. 3 onward is probably gonna be totally new ideas and not part of the current plan.
Anon... the show is already done this isn't like the 90s or even current day Japan where they literally finish the episode just a day or hours before broadcasting.
I understand that but according to Leaker-kun we don't even see Lillith in this season
Vaggie was already kinda boring in the pilot but I hoped they'd at least make her interesting in the actual show
For someone who is supposed to be a main character she's just slapped together with Charlie and there's no chemistry at all
The one yuri pair in the show and it's the most boring
They didn't even try to cover it up or make the reveal a surprise by giving her a backstory or even her own episode beforehand
All it would have taken was someone asking Vaggie and Charlie how they met and we could have seen a short flashback where Vaggie talks about how on one extermination day she lost her eye and thought she was going to die and Charlie saved her, omitting the part about her being a former angel
But anyway
>executed for thousands of years
>supposedly one of heaven's best soldiers
>yet had never killed a child before
shit makes no sense as it is
The whole scene was just awful, not surprised its the one thing people are genuinely shitting on 6 for and what it lead to.
I unironically preferred it when Vaggie was just a common sinner. It made her relationship with Charlie more interesting.
Nobody gives a shit what you prefer.
who asked
You know you scored big when Satan's daughter falls in love with you
*Lucifer
And yes, Emily has it made.
Not while you are alive (saints are only cannonized after post-humorous miracles IIRC)
Also Tolkien and John had it right. Thinking of the Spirit as just God's power is gay and inaccurate. More like God is using the Spirit's power.
What I'm getting is this show is based on a cursory understanding of religion from someone who didn't grow up religious. As opposed to those Anne Rice vampire books where the entire series is literally all about struggling with whether to be Catholic.
Tbh the story has it's own lore. It is not an exploration of christianity and christian values but it takes themes and characters as well as ideas from the Bible and makes them its own. For example we can see angels clearly not knowing it all about the souls, just keeping order and that is in fact what tey are, not souls with free will but tools of God. I don't think the series is meant to criticize the religion or even to hypotesize. It's just having fun with concepts.
Abuelita yelled at Viz for kissing a girl.
To be fair anon the Anne Rice books moved past the Catholic/Christian shit after the original five books and focused on characters who never grew up on it because their existence predated it like Marius and Pandora
The whole reason the younger vampires like Lestat struggled with Christ is because it's what they grew up being told
I get the feeling Viv grew up in a household just moderately Christian and she wants to be a victim about it and it personally it kinda pisses me off as someone who grew up being told that certain things were my fault and being forced to watch The Exorcist as a scare tactic (and then a few nights later having my stepdad hide underneath my bed and shake it and say "that's what's gonna happen if you don't get your life right with god")
Hate it that LGBTQIA_142 has become the new evangelicals considering the prejudice I used to hold towards Abrahamic religions
My based has become the new cringe and my former cringe has become the...well as long as they leave me alone I guess
Jesus should be completely fed up with everyone's bullshit in both Heaven and Hell, showing up to just fricking throw hands similar to what he did to the money changers.
>Punches Adam in the face
>Beats the shit out of Alastor
And so on and so forth.
You know, the absence of all mention of God and Christ wouldn't bother me if they didn't randomly say "Oh my God" every few minutes. Like we know He's there Viv, just fricking be a man and address it.
Just make God be Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge. Would be a fun Gnosticism twist that not a lot of people know about.
Imagine if God is revealed to be cripplingly depressed because His subjects are acting like c**ts
Even if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him.
War against heaven should be a season long epic.
He said posting the game that had the Ragnarok section be only an hour long at best
Lucifer letting Alastor frick with him is actually pretty consistent with how the 7 deadly sins act in Helluva Boss. I guess when you're an immortal demon who is thousands of years old there isn't much of a point to getting in random fights
He's pretty hands off with his daughter. It wasn't really his place and if he had killed Alastor then and there Charlie would have cut him out.
>hands off with his daughter
You're supposed to be. Otherwise you're an incestuous kiddy fiddler. Keep your hands off the kids, dudes.
But because of that, they look like b***hes who nobody respects.
They get respect in the way that celebrities do rather than political leaders. It's probably more fun for them that way. It's not like Beelzebub is going to be pouring over the details of tax policy instead of getting drunk all day
Is it possible for demons including sinner demons to die natural "deaths" in Hell? As opposed to being killed by other demons or angels?
For example could Husk die of cirrhosis, or Angel die a second time of an overdose?
I want to frick the Valentino.
The Mothman Cummeth.
Hey Hazbin anons, many of you are interested in the more esoteric concepts of spirituality that are presented in series like this. Cinemaphile has a board which like all others has its fair share of shitposters and chuds. But a board where you can learn a lot more about these topics from a wider and more familiar with the topic crowd of anons. It's called /x/ and you're always welcome to go there and start a thread, Theologian anons are standing-by to regale you with stories of why mainstream Christianity is fricking weak as shit and what actual spirituality encompases.
/x/ has become schizo and christcuckery general and you can't make me go back
Yeah but they are a bunch of schizos there, and the discussion is about or relating to the series.
Exactly. It's like saying being a Harry Potter fan means you'd vibe with the Wiccan religion. Huge stretch.
Gnosticism made more sense to me than regular Christianity. I still don't like how they are so against the material form.
/x/ is full of actual, full-on mental sickness schizos
I am so glad it exists bros, they all stay in there so we don't have to interact with them.
Funny how I had to ask myself "Which X?".
and /misc/ is filled with Chuds, Cinemaphile with newbie contrarians, Cinemaphile with Zoomer Weebs (worse than Millenial Weebs) and every board is full of coomers /trash/ has furries, what else is new?
>Theologian anons are standing-by
>buff schizos
>dark schizos
>asian schizos
>white schizos
>deaf schizos
>classic schizos
>racist schizos
>mystery schizos
>psycho schizos
>dog schizos
>israeli schizos
/x/ fricking sucks moron
Do you think Husk would enjoy being fed cat treats?
sexo with adam
A-anon...
Do I have to repeat myself?
Y-you this is a blue board right? you can't be posting that...
The prostate is there to make sure you don't piss when you ejaculate.
It's also there so you can enjoy fun in the bum with a butt plug, dildo, or massager; or with the wiener of a friend who is bored and either gay or can't readily find himself a woman.
source on this cute adam?
https://twitter.com/appleparty_sins
Stop posting and prep for Extermination, Lute
sir that is not how that is supposed to go.
the only things worth discussing.
Viv says she created her shows as a gift to her younger self that liked the edgy/twee mix that used to be big back in the 2000s. What did people into that talk about back then? How shitty politics and religion are in controlling and brainwashing people, how sexually adventurous they can be, etc.
It's made for the part of you that remembers listening to intense, rebellious music for the first time and thinking, man, God and George Bush ain't shit.
sound like sex, religion, and politics are the themes of the show then.
If they are presented in an edgy way that is just a reflection on the creator.
But we still get to discuss them which is nice.
Berserk portrayed these themes better, even if they portrayed religion in a negative light.
Berserk is the shit my man I love that fricking show.
The eclipse was some real fricked up shit dough.
Same, It's sad that they had shitty animation for conviction.
Berserk's version of hell is infinitely worse than Hazbin's.
Hazbin's version of hell is "standard american city"
>So why does portions of the city have that 1940s look?
>UUUUUUUUUUH some demons like the cannibals prefer that!
And this will never be explained, tons of "world building" that people praise in this show AREN'T in the show but material outside of it, a bunch that are now on record to not even be canon anymore. Its a joke.
It's very obvious Vivziepop is of the J.K. Rowling school of fantasy worldbuilding. Add a potpourri of shit in because you think it looks/sounds cool, canon comes later and only in response to high pressure questions from fans.
We still haven't reached the level of "wizards used to vanish the shit from their pants" yet.
>Hey Vivi was Adam a bad guy?
>What? No nooooooooo, he um, he was uh, just angry. He felt very betrayed by those he loved.
>Hmm? When did that happen
>O-oh you know, on.. the last episode it was in the background for sure, just rewatch it again! hahaha
I can't wait for her to have this moment in the future.
I still laugh at the podcast, Rolling even said Slytherin were just her childhood bullies but then years later, oh no! She forgot she gave like 95% of them no depth.
>Standard American city
Oh yeah totally. The last time I wandered around the mean streets of Richmond there were Cyclops ladies going around committing violent crimes, hookers who looked like spiders propositioning strangers on the street, cannibals feasting on human flesh in the middle of the street, and angels in horned helmets descending from Heaven to wreak carnage. Totally.
Sounds like Chicago
Chicago ain't shit. The craziest thing I saw in Chicago was a dude massaging his girlfriend's vegana through her sweat pants with his toes on the monorail. Everything else was pretty normal.
>Just remember, *Sir*
>You get control with Exterminations and when we're in public
>But in the bedroom
>Your ass belongs to me
Adam talks about his wiener a lot. He's very proud of it. I relate to him for that reason. I love my penis and bragging about its adventures.
It's hard not to want to live up to the Dick Master, the original Dick. All our dicks are descendants of His Dick. He truly is our role model
Adam pegged confirmed.
Ooooh yessss peg me mommy!
Mask...?
>You disgust me
>You're *not* ruining my hair and makeup tonight
>Plus, I think you fetishize *this* face owning your ass
>See what I'm holding down here?
>Take a good long look at it, *Dick Master*
>Your dick wishes it could be half the dick mine is
>But your ass is going to get very well acquainted
>Turn around...
Does anyone suspect that Adam is going through a massive crisis that is literally shelled away in that suit?
If we take that as he's in an executioner suit like his girls, then I could see him hiding some massive insecurities or simply hiding behind a mask. Seems like he's the type of character who is what he is at face value though
Judging by how the mask seems to infect Lute and Vaggie for the worse. (Lute puts it on to make herself more bloodthirsty and merciless in episode 6)
The mask could be a metaphor for getting drugged/drunken to bring out your worst traits and forget about your misery.
So when Adam is completely covered up in it 24/7, it shows how deprived and entrapped he is in it, like Angel Dust is with drugs. And yet, we see impulses of him missing Eve by how he refers to Vaggie’s name as “the best thing ever” (Eve is his first vegana), his obsession with sex (trying to replace her to no anvil), his pure anger for losing an Exorcist (like he lost Eve), having an Exorcist heed to a sinner (how he lost Eve).
Meaning, he represents a widower indulging in pleasures and alcoholism to forget about his dead wife.
I think Adam is a demon. If you notice his smiles he is the only exterminator with demonic shar teeth and the only one who keeps his mask on 24/7 for...some reason. And he's shown to be an evil son of a b***h
Honestly I hope he becomes a demon at the end of the show, with him being a vengeful antagonist for season 2
Adam’s digital face is not his real face. Otherwise, we can argue that the exorcist are demons because horns and their creepy faces.
>And he's shown to be an evil son of a b***h
Not really. Adam isn’t trying to rule over heaven and he’s pushed to being used as a puppet by the heavenly council. Sera is clearly far more sinister and untrustworthy than Adam, with implications of lying about “not knowing the rules” and her commanding Adam to kill his own children in the first place. If you ask me, Adam’s brain seems to be messed up to a point he hardly can comprehend the room around him and he needs Lute as his personal care taker.
Nothing feels right with him at all.
I'mma let you theorize, cause while it is fun to come up with theories, I've always been bad at it or reading between the lines. I gotta be told straight up what's happening in a show, so I usually take characters at face value and go along with the plots. Feels weird whenever I see people tryna guess what's coming next when a little patience can lead to the answer.
>I mean we won't be having time for epic Adam face because we only have 8 episodes
While I agree, the show is moving at a blazing fast pace so I wouldn't put it past them to throw more plot points and curve balls our way right at the end. If what we're hearing is true, then 4 seasons could be enough time to follow certain plot threads to conclusion. I agree with you though, Adam seems like a straight shooter who's proud of what he is. I mean, when you're the first Man, you probably don't have to reach a high bar to get into Heaven. So, he is the way he is because he was the first Soul into Heaven and really didn't need to be as good as subsequent Winners
I feel like Adam isn't wearing a mask and it's his actual face. I mean we won't be having time for epic Adam face because we only have 8 episodes so it's just his face lol. I also think that fits him because he's very... Honest and straight forward I feel. Lute for example feels like someone two-faced, she kills demons but when she takes off her mask she acts like nothing happened instead of just telling the truth like Adam who's not ashamed at all
Doesn’t this mean when Lute lacks her mask, she is literally unable to enact into the appropriate personality she wants to be in? So what is the original personality Adam is replacing under his helmet?
Hazbin threads are either intense, deep religious discussions or sex.
I find this very amusing.
The question is whether Spencer's or Hot Topic will win the bid to sell licensed merch. The merchandising has the potential to become the next version of Nightmare Before Christmas chain wallets and hoodies.
>licensed merch
>giving viv your hard earned money
No thank you. Etsy for me if I buy anything at all.
Charlie!
What a shitty looking plushie, should have gone with whatever company makes the Murder Drones ones.
I hope they get some better official merch now that it’s a full on successful show.
For someone whose online virtually 24/7, It's strange to me how Viv actually thought that Episode 5 would do literally anything else but fuel Charlastor even further. When that's apparently what she's trying to prevent.
>he thinks it's up to viv
A24 marketing specialists greenlit every episode.
Based A24
I like this show a lot better than overrated shit like Midsommar and Under the Skin
>Midsommar
>overrated
Uh oh moronic homosexual detected
I am bisexual and autistic so yes, you are correct. You missed the chance to insult me for being israeli though.
Only moronic homosexual israelites think A24's best release is overrated.
There's a creepy ritual orgy and a woman becomes complicit in murdering a bunch of people after going native with some weird tribe cult. It's not compelling horror, it's just pretentious shit.
It's a standard horror premise elevated by stellar cinematography and excellent performances. It and Get Out are the only horror films this decade that are worthy of being called art.
Get Out was like history written with lightning. It is only regretful that it was all so terribly true.
I wish she'd just take a break from the internet
She spoils things she shouldn't
She always overly explains herself to antis
We get it you're a Good Person with the Right Politics and your Edge is Safe
But you're right anon
She seems to have a bone to pick with Chalastor in particular and it's so bizarre
She pairs Charlie with the most boring character and declares Alastor is asexual despite him having romantic interests in her other series
It's just so specific she has to have a sort of complex with it for some reason
>Hell is supposed to be a bad place full of scary evil
>Everyone there has a slim, lithe physique
>There are people there who look like literal kittens and puppies with similar personalities
>Everyone dresses the way I wish I could afford to dress
idk Vivziepop Hell don't sound so bad
I've lived in Hell, so I was disappointed by how unrealistic this show's portrayal of it is. It looks nothing like Central Florida.
Florida is pretty decent though
Are you sure Hell isn't Detroit?
The demographics of Hell are a lot whiter than Detroit.
We all know hell is real and in New Jersey.
Why is Nifty made into a nympho when she looks barely old enough to bleed from her V? This shit is weird, reminds me of the "really 1000 years old" nymphomaniac goddess in GATE.
Has anyone else brought up that Lilith owns Alastor yet?
He moronic
Charlie has to get it from somewhere
Like father like daughter
That's not cool, I used to live in a group home for intellectually disabled people.
moron
He really looks like a serpent here.
I like how the last two episodes just abandoned the beheaded angel and left that shit on the back burner.
My guess is that the beheaded angel would reveal a plot twist of Adam and the exorcist being a product produced and controlled by Vox, since Vox could use them to wipe out Alastor and Charlie.
That entire segment was complete filler, and not the good type of filler that helped characters grow but introduce more fricking characters not relevant to the plot, aka the fricking hotel.
So...Was Charlie like...'In on the joke' when Alastor was saying all this shit about them having 'such a bond with each other' and 'thinking of her like a daughter'...Or is she under the delusion that Alastor is being serious?
She knew Alastor was fricking around. He was trying to taunt Lucifer for funzies because he's a sadistic frick. It was also a power play on his part to test if he carries more weight than The Devil himself.
Worse. I think the writers are serious about it.
Explain.
Given that Alastor gets pissy the moment Charlie enters with Lucifer indicates that for the writers this is not Alastor "trolling" Lucifer, but Alastor genuinely having this rivalry. Why? Because they had no time for build up and Viv REALLY wanted to shove that in because the build up she had in her own head is enough apparently.
I thought he was just pissy because he wasn't the biggest dick in the room, that seemed in character.
I think she thinks extremely positive about whatever Alastor is spewing.
Is Velvette a realistic portrayal of a social media influencer?
>introduces a song where Alastor is portrayed as a father figure to Charlie
>just adds a daddy kink to Charlastor now
>introduce Emily the next episode, the heavens version of a sweet cinnamon roll like Charlie
>immediately gets along with her and has more chemistry and even sing together
How attached to Chaggie is Viv really, cause she sure sucks at promoting it as the canon ship.
>How attached to Chaggie is Viv really
Chaggie exists solely for brownie points, anon.
this, she isn't a character but a prop. but anything connected to adam seems to not have any depth whatsoever. i just love how they imply he is basically the executioners dad and they don't play with it at all.
I did hear someone say Charlie wasn’t even planned on being lesbian but some friend of Viv’s basically went “ wouldn’t these two make a cute couple?” And she just went sure why not.
I noticed this. Viv doesn’t like Vox and Val and their relationship is absolutely awful. Viv hates Stella and her brother, so their relationships between themselves and others is absolutely awful.
Viv likes Fizz and Ozzie, and their relationship is good (in her view).
Viv likes Adam and Lute and their relationship is oddly wonderful.
Thus, meaning. Vox and Val are the kind of characters Vivzie plans to kill off with no care for them whatsoever. So one of them is planned to be killed off in this season.
I've come to make an announcement; Alastor's a b***h ass motherfricker, he nutted on my fricking daughter. Thats right, he took his furry deer dick out and he nutted on my fricking daughter, and she said his dick was "This big" and I said that's disgusting, so I'm making a callout post on my twitter dot com, Alastor the Radio Demon, you've got a small dick, it's the size of this apple pip except WAY smaller, and guess what? Here's what my dong looks like: PFFFT, THAT'S RIGHT, BABY. ALL POINTS, NO FUR, NO PILLOWS. Look at that, it looks like two apples and a snake. He fricked my daughter so guess what? I'm gonna frick the Pride ring. THAT'S RIGHT THIS IS WHAT YOU GET, MY SUPER LASER PISS! Except I'm not gonna piss on the Pride ring, I'm gonna go higher. I'M PISSING ON HEAVEN! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT, SERA? I PISSED ON HEAVEN YOU b***h! YOU HAVE 23 HOURS BEFORE THE PISS DROPLETS HIT THE FRICKING HOTEL NOW GET OUT OF MY SIGHT BEFORE I PISS ON YOU TOO.
This show is the definition of wasted potential. It takes an interesting premise: how can we redeem those seemingly beyond redemption, while also setting that the “good guys”, for all intents and purposes, commit a genocide (on sinners, thus being conventionally “evil”). It opens up a space for moral complexity where empathy (characters we can sympathise with) and “good” (as an abstract value) are pitted against each other.
But Vivzie refuses to either make complex characters or even do proper world building that establishes its basic principles and powers. There is no meaningful contrast between heaven and hell. There is even no clear principles of good and evil that can be subverted (if you really want to go this way).
It's no surprise that Adam (leader of angel exterminators) behaves indistinguishably from demons. It’s no surprise that “being a good person” is reducible to Adam’s bs that he thought up on the spot.
A story about heaven and hell does not work when its based solely on moral ambiguity. Heaven and hell operate on a moral binary and thus it at least needs to establish a moral framework as a point of reference. It would be so much more compelling to show how heaven’s clear rules on good vs. evil are overly reductive, while Charlie’s and Lucifer’s well-intentioned attempts at “reformation” are not much more than exercises in pride.
But no. Nobody knows what are the principles of this world, so instead of a redemption story, we get a story about two different realms fighting for survival. Honestly, I don’t understand. I would think that one of the A24, Ivy League writers would have read “Paradise Lost” and saw how one can make an evil character sympathetic, even if he sins (by thinking that he is better that God). But apparently not…