On an individual level this was a cool bit of backstory. But in a broader sense, this is one more resident of the hotel that is some famous special over powered super villain, which now amounts to pretty much all of them. So I kinda miss assuming he was just some random ass drunk.
I think it shows that when it comes to sinners the ebb and flow of power can change for anybody. The ONLY thing separating Overlords and Sinners is whether or not they've made deals. I think the only two there with any real power are Charlie/Alastor. Everyone else are just kind of losers in comparison to others
It felt like a way bigger deal than the moment was even giving itself credit for, yeah, he was the oldest motherfricker of the group according to when they died it seemed (potentially outside of Alastor?) but to actually showcase even Overlords aren't untouchable is something else.
the thought process of a basic fiction writer of Viv's level is as follows:
"This character is ONLY important so long as he's powerful and has royalty. He can't just be a Nobody who came from nowhere."
Honestly, surprised that Disney's Wish didn't do that with any of the protagonist characters, because they tend to do that with A LOT. >vanellopy just HAD to be the Princess of the game's land
Viv's special because she's made ALL of her OC's some level of "all powerful" person with connections to the elites. Blitzo and Fizz are poor but they're only important to the story because they're dating Hell Lords and she'd rather write stories about THEM and THEIR feelings of loneliness. The Poorer characters are just there to be stepped on and abused by the rich and powerful demons.
In Viv's world, there is NO attempt to over throw the status quo and let the monarchs of hell be punished. They're all "good" on the inside really. It's all HEAVENS Fault!
Power in Hell appears to be based entirely on merit, so of course the ones the story revolves around (and are therefore interesting) are going to have some sort of power or connections. >In Viv's world, there is NO attempt to over throw the status quo and let the monarchs of hell be punished.
Are we watching the same shows? There are power plays happening in half the episodes, it's just that none of them have come to fruition yet. >They're all "good" on the inside really. It's all HEAVENS Fault!
This is never implied.
Angel might be the only person in the hotel who's actually normal. Of the residents there are: >the princess of Hell >overlord >former overlord >fallen angel (not Dust)
And I don't know Niffty's deal, but if it's anything like Husk she's like an oni or something. Maybe Pentious is kind of normal, although he has the whole supervillain thing going and participates as his own faction in turf wars. He might be overlord-adjacent.
Is anyone going to address the fact that Husk chopping the ends off their gun barrels by throwing playing cards like shurikens isn't going to stop the guns actually firing?
It'll make them less accurate sure, but at that distance it might not matter. So an especially stupid move when their most probable reaction to that attack is to just pull the trigger. Viv doesn't know how guns work. What a surprise.
Chopping gun barrels off to disable them is an old norm in cartoons. It's a loop hole to gave better action scenes in kid media. You can have people li e aiming real guns but they dont fire.
I think I've seen something along the same lines, but where it's knocking it out of their hands or slicing through the chamber, which makes more sense.
And the level of 'cartoon' logic is relevant here. If Husk had shoved his finger in the barrel to make it backfire like Bugs Bunny, that obviously wouldn't work either, and instead imply some kind of indestructability or other power on Husk's part at best. Which is to say, it does kinda matter. The only good thing is it goes by pretty fast, so people are probably going to assume it's less of a problem than it would be if they actually absorbed what literally happened.
It'd be nice if Husk and Angel just had a vitolic buddy friendship. But you know, platonic love doesn't exist anymore in media and Husk will be balls deep in Angel by episode 8...
Well on the countdown video, before the premier release, one of the fun facts was that the only straight character was nifty. So I wouldn't count that out.
He's one of the subtlely funniest characters to me. He always feels obligated to keep smiling but people won't stop testing him by being buttholes or turning him into some sort of errand boy.
>Their duet was so random >being a lesbian is just like being a mother, guys
Really? I thought their connection was that vegana killed the angel and Weapons Mommy was keeping it a secret and pretending that she was the one who did it. I may have just been jumping to conclusions since I skipped half the song because it was shit.
I think vaggie is singing about protecting Charlie in this song, while Carmilla is singing about protecting her daughters and not wanting war or something and the whole parallel is "let me be your protector". Unless I'm remembering it wrong. I also tuned out during this song because it's easily the worst one so far.
Carmilla is one of the oldest overlords and Vaggie is either a heavenborn (lol) angel or an ex-mortal prostitute that died in 2014 (if the old lore is still canon). Also, one is a moth and the other one is a black swan so doubt they're blood-related.
>the other one is a black swan
Oh THAT'S what she's supposed to be. I couldn't place it. I though she was some kind of wildcat, what with those big meaty paws.
Carmilla is one of the oldest overlords and Vaggie is either a heavenborn (lol) angel or an ex-mortal prostitute that died in 2014 (if the old lore is still canon). Also, one is a moth and the other one is a black swan so doubt they're blood-related.
>swan
And her daughter's name is Odette. Hardly subtle.
Carmilla is a hellbor right? Why did the Angels attack her/her daughters? Is this supposed to be some Heaven altering the deal or did they forget about the only sinners targeted part
Velvette seemed well-reasoned in her first appearance, short as it was. She was a victim of Val's tard tantrum and called Vox to wrangle him because she couldn't.
Yeah once Charlie learns how to go apeshit on people he's screwed.
Carmilla is a hellbor right? Why did the Angels attack her/her daughters? Is this supposed to be some Heaven altering the deal or did they forget about the only sinners targeted part
because most other places in Hell also suck and becoming a criminal boss is pretty much the only way to rise up in power as a Hellborn because there seems to be a rather strict social caste system among them.
You could be a mobster don like Crimson in Helluva Boss, though that probably requires an excessive amount of effort and cruelty to make other Hellborn actually scared of you enough to listen, or you could just go be an Overlord and prey on desperate Sinners eager to sign over their souls for protection from the culling. It's the easiest power grab possible in their setting.
I don't think this guy has a functioning frontal lobe. He's very emotional and doesn't consider that this girl or her parents could rip him to shreds if he gets out of line. He's betting it all on them having the extraordinary patience to suffer his shittery.
Would his contract bind Charlie despite her being light years ahead of power? Also why is this moron trying to promise riches to the literal fricking princess of hell.
Lucifer in this hell is less like a French Absolutist monarch of Chinese emperor and more like a King of England after the English civil war or basically any currently still existent European monarchy - He’s a total figurehead.
People like the Seven Deadly Sins, Ars-Goetia and Overlords in descending order of magnitude hold all the actual power.
Charlie showing up and actually trying to pull the ‘I’m royalty I do as I please’ card is delusional on her end.
I don't think thats exactly the case as the Sins are still frick you powerful and even Ozzy said he can just beat the frick out of anyone sans other Sins if they had an issue with his stuff.
Charlie is implied to be packing power but won't let it loose and Lucifer is probably the same way in this setting. Really set him off and the likes of Valentino would shit their pants
It seems like Sinners have no respect for hell royalty at all, I imagine the actual Hellborn do since HB shows them all respecting and fearing the Sins.
He could probably have absolute power if he wanted to but he seems to not give a shit about hell at all. Not surprising considering that he used to be one of the most powerful angels and even being the king of hell is like being the king of a pile of poo in comparison.
Yes, but only because he believes Charlie is a doormat.
I'm sure we're gonna have the obligatory episode where he pisses off Charlie enough and she demonstrates exactly why she's the Princess of Hell. Then we go through the typical trope of her believing she's no fit to redeem anyone.
He's being dumb and wienery, but I doubt people are aware of Charlie's power, so he's not too worried about her. She likely never attacked anyone before. Katie also was a b***h to Charlie in public and nothing came out of it. She's this weird person the overlords can bully somewhat but too much to incur Lucifer's wrath.
No one has any respect or apprehension for Charlie, and by extension Lucifer, which makes her being the princess of hell mean nothing. It would at least make sense given the context of source material, that no one would want to touch the hotel assuming it was another trick by Lucifer in his unending torment of people there, with the joke hitting because Charlie is sincere.
Officially, he's jealous of humanity for, among other things, having free will, which is fricking stupid because he also had the free will to disobey. I'm no religion hater. I attend services. But I always thought that bit made it obvious that the stories are manmade and poorly thought out.
Some of the other things he's jealous of are the fact that humans can "create life," something angels (and later, demons) can't do. He also hated the idea that he was meant to bow to man.
>The real world Supervillain, Lucifer, is a deranged destructive moron. >Thus, this must mean that Christians/Jews were making things up, right? >Forgets about the Pharoh, Sodom and Gormilla being so perverted it surprised God, King Solomon screwing up his entire kingdom by pussy collecting, Elijah’s signs and wonders get rejected by the Baal worshipping King and Queen when he literally defeated hundreds of prophets at once
Evil IS moronic, anon.
Officialy, he's evil because he's fricking stupid >But he did not sustain the brightness and the honour which the Creator had bestowed on him, and of his free choice was changed from what was in harmony to what was at variance with his nature, and became roused against God Who created him, and determined to rise in rebellion against Him: and he was the first to depart from good and become evil. For evil is nothing else than absence of goodness, just as darkness also is absence of light. >t. St. John of Damascus
You mean in the bible? Satan was never shown to personally give a frick about humans and only seems to deceive them to make God angry.
Satan despising humans and having a rivalry with them is from Islam. Satan being just a being whose job is to judge and punish humans under God orders is from Judaism
Christianity Satan is surprisingly very distant from humans. Western writers never write him accurate to the bible because this Satan would probably just say something like "who the frick cares about humans, I just want to beat Jesus and Michael"
I think Mephisto from Goethe's Faust was a good interpretation of the christian devil. He only fricks around with Faust, because of a bet he made with God.
Officially, he's jealous of humanity for, among other things, having free will, which is fricking stupid because he also had the free will to disobey. I'm no religion hater. I attend services. But I always thought that bit made it obvious that the stories are manmade and poorly thought out.
Some of the other things he's jealous of are the fact that humans can "create life," something angels (and later, demons) can't do. He also hated the idea that he was meant to bow to man.
>which is fricking stupid because he also had the free will to disobey
except when he tried that, he got banished to hell for all eternity, that doesn't sound like free will to me, that sounds like tyranny
mankind meanwhile was not only god's favorite creation, but could do whatever they wanted except eat from the tree, with no repercussions - and even when this order was disobeyed, man was still punished far less harshly than Lucifer was
is fricking stupid because he also had the free will to disobey >except when he tried that, he got banished to hell for all eternity, that doesn't sound like free will to me, that sounds like tyranny
I have the free will to murder someone
If I get punished for it it isn't free will its tyranny
IRL he led a rebellion against God , joining a 1/3 of Angels to come join, alongside doing other things
He was punished for thinking he could do God's job of ruling the universe better than God Himself. It was his pride that earned him Hell more than anything
>What makes you think you can TREAT HIM LIKE THAT?!
Seeing Charlie go full mama bear for Angel was great. I hope we get to see her go ape shit on someone this season
I'm looking through Prime Video and Hazbin is literally not listed anywhere on the main page despite being a new arrival. You have to actively do a search for "Hazbin Hotel" if you want to find it. What's the deal?
Amazon clearly knows that this shit is ONLY going to be viewed by Viv's specific audience, normies and anybody unfamiliar with her obviously aren't going to give two fricks about this show
I'm looking through Prime Video and Hazbin is literally not listed anywhere on the main page despite being a new arrival. You have to actively do a search for "Hazbin Hotel" if you want to find it. What's the deal?
It's quite literally an animated D&D campaign where everyone can say "frick". There's really not much more I can tell you to sell it any harder
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>Hazbin is a disney musical that says frick
That literally does nothing to sell it for me anon. I don't want to invest time into something that'll piss me off.
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Well VM isn't a musical if you don't count Scanlan's antics, and I'd hardly call it woke. It's your usual fantasy adventure with an ensemble cast of veteran voice actors playing thier tabletop characters and having fun with it. If that doesn't work for you, dunno what else to say other than try new things already, ya frickin' whiner
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well i asked, is it castelvania good or arcaine good? I still wanna check out invincible, cause I'm interested in that story a lot, but I wanna be in the right mood for it.
I don't think any of those are good comparisons. Its just a D&D campaign made into a cartoon literally with adult humor and violence. Like I said the first ep or so is a bit crass although to be fair this is introducing a cast technically midway through a campaign way after they became a crew. Some people I think made fun of the cgi dragon but I thought it was fine. It picks up once the big plot starts after they take on the storm dragon and head out to do Percy's loyalty quest which is about where the big plot started in the actual campaign.
Second season is good. I found it fun on its own but you'd get more out of it if you are familiar with the source material
I'm hesitant because I'm feeling it's gonna be cringe like The Boys: Diabolical. you can't tell me it's got swears and that be a selling point. I'm not into D&D as a concept.
I'll give it chance, and I don't care if something is woke or not. Just be good and take yourself seriously enough that you're not trying to fill out a mad lib of cliche tropes.
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You'd probably get that vibe from the first two eps and Scanlan's general antics in season 1 but I'd say stick it out until they hit Percy's home when the vampire arc starts which is basically what season 1 is about
I don't think any of those are good comparisons. Its just a D&D campaign made into a cartoon literally with adult humor and violence. Like I said the first ep or so is a bit crass although to be fair this is introducing a cast technically midway through a campaign way after they became a crew. Some people I think made fun of the cgi dragon but I thought it was fine. It picks up once the big plot starts after they take on the storm dragon and head out to do Percy's loyalty quest which is about where the big plot started in the actual campaign.
Second season is good. I found it fun on its own but you'd get more out of it if you are familiar with the source material
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I for one am waiting patiently for The Mighty Nein show
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Caduceus ruined Firbolgs.
Now everyone plays them as freakshit cow people.
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I hate how smooth and clean everyone is. Looks bizzare as hell. Tumblr shit.
I find it to be enjoyable.
Just keep in mind the show is based on a D&D campaign where the players are fricking about most of the time, so the tonal shifts and pacing can be awkward, especially in the first season. They get better about it in the second season.
Ok so like I need THIS sort of feedback because I can accept a show meandering about it's characters and having that be the reason we grow to like them. But that's the issue with Owl House, Centaur World, or Lower Decks is that I actually have to LIKE the characters and how they speak and interact with each other for 8 episodes BEFORE they start to take shit seriously, and I just don't have the patience for that.
I've seen a lot of media and if I can predict the ending in the 1st episode, it's not going to be a good time to get to know any of these shit heads.
Same. I thought as a new release it would be front and center, but I actually had to search for it. Maybe I have some content settings set I'm unaware of, but I see other mature audience stuff so I don't know what the deal is.
That other homosexual lied to us on Cinemaphile? No! I don't think I can ever recover from this betrayal.
This is what's on the front page for me and Hazbin isn't listed anywhere if you scroll through the huge banner on the top or the "Amazon Originals and Exclusives" list. The only other thing I've ever used Prime to watch was Invincible so you'd think they'd recommend another animated show to me but I guess not.
Would prefer her to be that crazy girl from Pilot. Like maybe her fashion company is basically her playing like a girl with dolls who are Sinners controlled by her like toys. A demented idea of a child of what business like that is like. It would make hell feel more surreal where shit like that is the business instead of just doing social media bits. But as she is, she is entertaining.
Being an overlord is less about age and more about controlling turf and the souls within it. It doesn't matter how you do it, you just have to be able to take it and keep it. The Vees are less about raw power and more about persuasion and coercion, which doesn't take that long to utilize. It's just a matter of outdoing the competition.
But anon older people have a longer time to logically acquire power and territory hence the Boomercracy in every fricking nation on Earth. Vox is obviously a millennial but Velvette is absolute zoomer
Vox is supposedly a boomer, but at any rate he specialized in a niche that old-timers like Carmine and Zestial don't understand that gives him influence they don't. It's why he outcompeted the older Alastor even though Alastor is older and has become majorly powerful himself. Vox created a sprawling infrastructure that Velvette also uses. If we're talking about dudes that have been there for a while, their knowledge could be centuries behind what current sinners know. That's a disadvantage overlords like the Vees can exploit, probably right under their noses.
seems like the v's are the more interesting characters in the show, and if they're planning to provoke the overlords into war, while showing how lazy and fat they've gotten i'm with them
if hell power is based on belief, having the meeting transmitted all over hell would catapult them to the top tier status
I like her. I felt like she was going to be the redundant V, the one who is just there while the other two carry the group, but she seems to have a unique role among them. I like that she's the one who volunteers for stuff that matters. I think she's the only V who doesn't have to put on a public persona, because her public persona is just how she is, which is a huge b***h. That allows her to speak more honestly than the others and probably why they trust her to speak for them at the meeting. She's also keen enough to read people and situations. She had an outburst at the meeting, but unlike Val and Vox's outbursts, hers seems calculated. She wanted to shock Carmilla into giving an unfiltered reaction. She could be an interesting character to watch in the future. I hope they don't ruin her.
I love her. I was worried she was gonna be get sidelined after Episode 2 since she didn’t have an enemy at the hotel like the other Vees. But I was pleasantly surprised, now Respectless is stuck in my head and I’m looking forward to her next appearance. Definitely my favorite villain in the show now.
[spoilers]Dumb question but what is her accent? I can’t really pin down the dialect but it’s hot.[/spoilers]
I hate her guts, but in like, the way where that makes her an effective villain of the show, I WANT to see her get a comeuppance for being such a disrespectful arrogant zoomer brat.
Yeah I feel the same, but I also wanna see how evil and cruel she is considering how ruthless Valentino was with Angel. I need that same energy for her to be as fricked up.
You actually like her?
I did too... until she jumped into that horrible song in Ep 3. I now hate her more than any other character.
It basically boiled down to:
"Frick y'all imma do whatever I want"
"Ok, but there are serious implications and consequences we need to cons-"
"FRICK Y'ALL IMMA DO WHATEVER I WANT"
I hope they don't give her the layup and actually have serious ramifications for this stupid behavior. I hope a lot of demons die because of her. I hope she loses everything.
I like her in a “she’s bad... but she’s BAD” sort of way. Also her design with the twintails reminds me of La Brava, since they both have hearts on their outfits, wear stripe pants and assist another villain. I think she’ll get punished since the clown twins in HB got done in too.
What flavors are they?
Also to answer your question, I wanna say it's a southwest England/Liverpool accent. I'm far from an expert tho
Okay cool, cause Xenoblade gave me a thing for European accents but I don’t think I heard that one before.
You actually like her?
I did too... until she jumped into that horrible song in Ep 3. I now hate her more than any other character.
It basically boiled down to:
"Frick y'all imma do whatever I want"
"Ok, but there are serious implications and consequences we need to cons-"
"FRICK Y'ALL IMMA DO WHATEVER I WANT"
I hope they don't give her the layup and actually have serious ramifications for this stupid behavior. I hope a lot of demons die because of her. I hope she loses everything.
This. If Velvette actually suffers consequences it will be based. If she just girlbosses and gets away with it because DOOOD SHE'S SUCH A BOSS b***h #FEMINIST ICON I'm gonna be fricking pissed.
She seemed like she was riling them up because she knew one of them was involved. She's taking in everyone's reaction to the head when she shows it, before she settles on Camilla and sees her sulking
She was clearly trying to delegitimize the meeting by being obnoxious. It's a power move. But yeh, if it backfired that would be funny in its own right.
She's good, and I usually hate these "social media expert" characters. It's an improvement over the crazy, doll-like look she had at first. She didn't even look like an Overlord then, she looked like a minion.
so im not much of a lore expert but Lilith and Alastor connected? Lilith has been missing for 7 years and Alastor shows up after 7 years of also missing and the first thing he does is get involved in Charlie's pet project
>awww, Carmilla is a loving and protective mother! >then realizing her and her daughters were such shit people in life the whole family got sent to hell
It’s pretty jarring when you remember all these compelling and sympathetic characters are all bad and deserve to be in Hell.
They were bad in life, but some of them have been in Hell for many lifetimes, maybe centuries or thousands of years in some cases. Bad people have changed for the better over the case of one lifetime, who is to say people can't improve themselves afterwards or start to get a different perspective? It's like the entire thesis of the show, that one lifetime shouldn't decide your eternity and that you should be able to change.
Besides, people in this setting go to hell for the likes of suicide or doing drugs, it doesn't take much.
yeah the whole premise is kind of skewed because you're supposed to sympathise with these characters but then you have to wonder what they did to deserve hell
because until we learn more about it, we have to assume that people are able to get into Heaven so even though Adam's an butthole, there's still a way to go there
Yeah like look at Sir Pentious, he’s a kooky silly guy we all have a laugh at and enjoy, but he’s in hell for a reason, like imagine if he worked orphans to death in his 19th century London factories or some shit, makes it hard to look at him the same way.
Considering this is the same hell where there are deaf demon kids with hopes and dreams, it's clear that it's mostly hell in name only, and just an excuse for Vivzie to create whatever wacky character or scenario she wants. It's not following the usual rules and just seems to be a place for anyone who has ever done any lesser crime.
The show has also not adressed yet what to do with pedophiles, rapists and racists if they want to be "redeemed". Is Charlie okay letting that kind of sick freak into her hotel?
I know she’s implying that pedos all get the shit kicked out of them or murdered in Hell, but I seriously doubt that a place full of unrepentant monsters would care.
Like they have a district literally called Cannibal Town, there’s probably a Pedo Alley somewhere in Hell.
Charlie literally said it herself that she trusts everyone, so if a rapist pedo nazi walked up to the hotel saying he wanted to get redeemed she would welcome them with open arms.
>Considering this is the same hell where there are deaf demon kids with hopes and dreams
Those are imps, creatures born here that were never human, not sinners that were sent to Hell for the sins committed in their human life.
I feel like they're going with South Park's take on heaven and hell, meaning that most of the people that go to Heaven are those who live a very modest life like the mormons while you can go to Hell even for enganging in masturbation more than once.
Halving seen the new episode, is it wired i care a million times move about the overlords meeting then anyone at the hotel.
Also the problem of introducing this new charaters that viv seems to think people outsdie her fandom know. Like the old english spider guy, I i know about him is he old, freind with carmile, and Alister likes him.
>Carmilla >Knows how big of a deal a dead angel is >Doesn't attempt to hide the body, left it sitting out in the open for a week >The Vees >Also know how big of a deal a dead angel is >Only take the head and leave the rest of an extremely valuable find
The body was lying there a week and no one thought it was a good idea to pick it up?
I don't think Carmilla killed the angel, however I do see the V's planting the evident to upstage Carmilla and the old english spider dude. They seem to be the oldest overlords in hell, and from what we seen fear the old man in a sports for the young. Also, Alastar definaly going to use this information to blackmail, Carmilla into helping with the war in heaven.
No, it was a song about protection the loved onces, with Vaggie for some reason?
However, they mine have going the weapon that can kill an angel, but never used it because it would destroy the balance of power in hell. Also, still think it werid that the V definely want the old generation gone.
Same, but knowing viv this is to obvious that there has to be a twist. I still of the camp that carmile weapons can kill angel, and Alsiater going to blackmail her into helping with with the war?
Also the V's are definaly planning something about overthrowing them. Why introdicte the two oldest overlords if not to try to take them down.
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>Alsiater going to blackmail her into helping with with the war?
Is this something we know Alastor wants? I think we can assume that Alastor will use this info somehow, but he hasn't expressed actual motivations for anything he does yet.
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It's mostly because the finally of the show will be a battle between haven and hell. So, how do you get one of the oldest overlords on your sign but blackmail. Also, because he seem to like Carmille more then the V.
>I always thought that I would keep blood off my face >But when that thing attacked, I had to act >To cross that line and keep them safe >But if anyone knew, then all of Hell would rise to war >And who's to say who'd survive the fray? >I might lose the ones that I was killing for
It's a song about protection of loved ones prompted with a pretty blatant admission that she did it. Although maybe Viv is taking us on some wacky ride where yet another new character will be introduced and immediately make an admission. I'm going to take this at face value for now because there's not enough time for too many redirects in this plotline.
I thought the Vees only found the head? It doesn't make sense that Carmilla didn't try to hide the body though, if she knew what the reaction would be. I guess maybe she was hoping the angels would see it the way the old guy did, as potentially just some mishap during the extermination and not something a sinner necessarily did. Still doesn't make sense though. If they hid the body, that angel would be considered missing but it wouldn't seem as big of a deal.
I don't know what's going on with Vaggie's voice actor, but that scene where she pretends to be a drill sergeant and she sounds like she just figured out what yelling was yesterday was terrible.
The Cherubs literally had a motivational poster of a quote from God.
Everyone seems to be buying Charlie’s story from the first two minutes as gospel when it clearly sounds like bullshit some parents would tell their kid why they aren’t totally the bad guys.
>Power in Hell appears to be based entirely on merit
It seems to be based on power level, the phisically strongest will have more power.
Lucifer and the Sins are in charge because they are far more powerful than everybody else, the nobles and charlie are rich because they are naturally stronger than other demons
The Overlords in the other hand seems to hold a monopoly on their industries because they have superpowers that allow them to fully control those products, no one can use a radio without Alastor permission because he can snap his fingers and make it stop working, so they end up richer than everybody but the Sins themselves who get money from taxes. Everybody else can only make money by being hired by the goverment, an overlord or making some small business not related to the overlords monopolies so naturally they could never be as rich as the higher class demons.
Alastor has shown more power than anyone else in the show period
This includes the rulers of every circle of hell
The show is moronic beyond comprehension already, helluva boss had an assassin with angel weapons get defeated three times by the team and the last time it was a joke
So, is Alistor supposed to be a Wendigo >deer theme > Obsessed with consumption >cannibalism theme
I think he is also one of the few characters who actually eat in the show >I bet he never gets to feel full either no matter how much he eats
Wendigo inspired but I think he's probably a cannibal (was in life), did some voodoo shit or tried to strike a deal with Hell for power by doing some real fricked up Dahmer shit
Come to think of it, it's pretty impressive that Pentius survived for so long given that he's from the 19th century. Kek Is it because of sheer (dumb) luck?
He was in his early 30s in the late 1800s, but he contracted a rare form of sleeping sickness, lived about another 70 years, and then died in the 20th century.
Few and far between most likely, but also likely they're Overlord tier if they've managed to survive centuries of purges
Well, we have Zestial who is 'ancient' even by their standards
and it seems even some wimpy sinners >like Tom Trench, from WWI
survived for quiet a while
also Lilith is old as balls, literally
Lucifer and Satan are two completely different entities in here
Afaik this "Satan" is lower ranking than Lucifer and is only one of the seven sins not having any authority over the others. He's not "Satan" he's just a demon who happens to be called Satan, Satan is supposed to be a title not a name.
Neither the lightbringer or the morning star are the fallen angel in Abrahamic religion. Neither is Satan, that's god's douchebag DA that was fricking with Job. Lucifer isn't even a name. It's from the half-literate translators
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why the hell would the devil want to be the ruler of hell? Hell is just a cage God put him in because hes that powerful that he needs a dimension sized cage to keep him locked up. If anything the devil should want to erase Hell from existence as its a physical manifestation of God's subjugation of him.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Funny enough, that was the villians plot in Dogma: exploit a theological loophole to unmake existence itself because utter oblivion was preferable to another second in Hell. Only it wasn't Lucifer's plan, it was some low level angel who was banished to Hell because he sat on the sidelines during Lucifer's little shit fit in Heaven and refused to pick a side.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, the devil being a seething, sniveling shit doesn't make for good television.
5 months ago
Anonymous
But he does make it easy to make up shit like turning him into a twink which is shockingly common
I couldn't take the "AHHH TRAUMA AND ABUSE" shit seriously because of how homosexualy and unthreatening Val is after that crybaby fest he put on and that gay accent he has.
As the sole straight rep in Hazbin Hotel, Niffty has to be hetero enough for a dozen people. Maybe more to counteract Angel Dust. That explains why she is the way she is.
>well that sounds like a challen- >no, I was speaking literally. Still haven't found both hands of the last poor schmuck who tried a reacharound on her
I'm the sole straight Hazbin fan and I don't want to frick Pentious.
5 months ago
Anonymous
There is another... and I should know. He's me.
I don't really want to frick anyone in this show, though. These designs don't do anything for me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
HEY
THIS GUY'S STRAIGHT
GET 'IM
5 months ago
Anonymous
Not gonna frick you. Not even at a gunpoint.
5 months ago
Anonymous
There is another... and I should know. He's me.
I don't really want to frick anyone in this show, though. These designs don't do anything for me.
third one here, same, dont want to frick anyone in hazbin or helluva, though i like the designs for some characters
5 months ago
Anonymous
>dont want to frick anyone in hazbin or helluva
ANYONE? Okay that's just deranged. At minimum Charlie can get stuffed with my wiener all night. Millie too. And I think I speak for almost everyone when I say "I'm not a furry, but..."
5 months ago
Anonymous
I want to frick Vaggie so bad, these episodes made me so attracted to her more than my attraction to Charlie
5 months ago
Anonymous
End of episode 2 when she shows up in her nightgown was pretty fricking hot, I'll admit. I really don't like her face, though.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>wanting to frick the lesbian moth
Go tame her, you magnificent son of a b***h
5 months ago
Anonymous
Based Vaggie enjoyer
5 months ago
Anonymous
Its that dead inside look that just makes me diamonds and want to fix her
5 months ago
Anonymous
If they give us naked loona without null shit and I will shit the bed and cum
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure they will never do that because YouTube has limits on what you can show.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Bypass: merge the two shows with Hazbin absorbing its spin off off shoot, loona is now in Hazbin hotel. Now its not on YouTube and they can show us naked loona minus null.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Loona is a hellborn, Vaggie would tell her to frick off.
5 months ago
Anonymous
bold of you to assume that two dicks on one guy are only attractive to homos
Are they restricted to only roaming the city? The Pride ring should be big enough to disappear, especially since ALL sinners are supposed to end there.
Its just more to show that he isn't considered THAT hot shit. The other top overlords didn't give a frick about his absence/reappearance with only Vox caring due to his personal salty rivalry. That and it was funny showing that the egg boys could get under his skin
I think Camilla has some kind of deal with either Adam or some other angel. She's probably the one who supplied the blessed bullet rifle that Stryker was gonna use to assassinate Stolas with. Hard to think of how else she'd get a heaven affiliated set of ammo like that. "Holy bullets" don't really seem like something you could make in Hell.
We finally got a good song with the Velvette v Carmine thing , but I'm still not pleased with how little rhyming or alliteration there is. Most of the songs are just people talking.
Your post made me realize that the first four episodes were honestly kind of meandering in hindsight, and that the last episode with Angel Dust was technicality filler so now we need to wait another week to get somewhere interesting. I just really want to see Heaven and all the angels already
I mean maybe it's just a matter of personal taste. Velvet and Carmine had a rough start but the rhythm caught on after they started actually singing.
I did forget Vox and Alastor which was also pretty good. I'm just not fond of the way the music works in general. They seem less like real songs and more exposition with background noise.
Loser Baby, Hell is Forever, Vox vs. Alastor and Poison are the ones that stand out. Everything else is forgettable or bad. Carmilla's were both really bad.
His and Charlie's song-off is literally the basedjak vs. chad meme >umm actually could you listen about my proposal >cope and seethe, see you in 6 months
I'm one of those guys who, when there is a musical episode of a non-musical series, and everyone hates it expect me. So I like the musical bits. There are some cringe notes, but I think it's good overall.
I would be less interested in Hazbin Hotel if it wasn't a musical. The people that complained about it always confused me since even the pilot was very upfront about being a musical. This show fills the current musical shaped hole in my heart very well, like Centaurworld did back when that dropped.
Honestly so far most of the songs from the male characters (Poison, Stayed Gone, Adam's song, Loser Baby) have been great while the ones voiced by female characters have been more meh
>be me >be a dyke >never liked furries or twinks >haven't watched any animated series in ages and thought I was cured of waifuism >want to frick angel dust
He's so cute and loose and pathetic and perfect 🙁 I hate vivzie for making him into my new guilty pleasure
Men are gross, and I've never had an affinity for any other gay or twinkish characters
But angel dust is no man, and he is something beyond the typical yaoigay self insert twink
I just want him to dress up in a cute little lingerie set for me just so I can do some blow off of his not boobs and maybe tie him up and wreck his well used spider bussy a little, or until he cries
I think it's the combination of sass and vulnerability, and his girly voice and mannerisms
>be me >be a dyke >never liked furries or twinks >haven't watched any animated series in ages and thought I was cured of waifuism >want to frick angel dust
He's so cute and loose and pathetic and perfect 🙁 I hate vivzie for making him into my new guilty pleasure
Well they don't call it Cinemaphileunblr for nothing
>If Charlie wants more people to listen to her she'll have to display the full extent of her powers
This. Charlie needs to snap an Overlord's neck or something on live tv. That would go a long ways towards helping her cause. Pretty clear they won't respect her otherwise.
What happens after you beat the shit out of an overlord? Aren't they all immortal and only killable by blessed weapons? Wouldn't that be a bit akward to just see him alive and well the next episode?
>What happens after you beat the shit out of an overlord?
She makes him her b***h. He'd probably initially keep his status, because for Charlie it'd be about sending a message to the rest of Pride/Hell to not frick with her.
So is this show head for disaster? >Good shippins like Alastor x Charlie got down the drain for "generic lesbian couple #21323424334543"
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characters introduced, 0 proper backstory or screen time given to them >Characters acting like morons just for the sake of it. One thing is being naive and other is being stupid like current Charlie is >2 songs every EPISODE, proper characterization? frick that, let's just sing another ear bleeding shitty song!!!
Is the fandom going to survive this 1st season? Literally the best parts are the design. Some of these are pure sexo but we're stuck with boring characters all over the place.
I still don’t get how the frick did they manage to get Keith David in this, like how did that pitch even go. > “Hey Keith, I’ve got a role for you! How’d you like to voice a gay drunk winged cat in hell in this cartoon?” > “Damn right I would! The role of a lifetime!”
The dialogue in this is some of the worst shit, reads like a deviant art girl's fan fiction. The general lack of animosity from most of these demons, coupled with the fact that the angels talk and act exactly like them, kinda kills the entire point of having this set in Hell. These could have all been humans on Earth and it wouldn't have changed anything with the plot aside from the marketable aesthetics (which they half ass anyway). Zestial is straight up something that a 10 year-old would draw.
Charlie is also starting to grate a bit. I actually had high hopes that her meeting Valentino was going to be a snapping point where she realizes that she can't change anything or anyone by being a giant, crying vegana. Instead she just kinda wanders off into the sunset to leave Angel to an all-night gang rape, and then apologizes for "breaking his boundaries," when he gets back. It's either going to drag on for 48 episodes, end with a cliff hangar, or just end with everything magically working out in spite of the main character's desperate attempts to wiener it all up because writing is hard. Frick's sake, she's got 1 new resident at the hotel in spite of Alastor being a "deal with the devil," trope, and he was supposed to be a fricking spy.
>Zestial is straight up something that a 10 year-old would draw.
Let's not go that far. Designs are one of the more decent parts of the show. They don't represent a problem. But the characters don't leave up to what they should be. You're completely spot on when you say that angels and demons act exactly the same, what is the reason for them to be two different races, factions or whatever? Insults, sex and shit everywhere. Not even a slight, minuscule contrast beside some colours here and there. >Verification not required
>Designs are one of the more decent parts of the show.
Alastor's design had kids cosplaying him for like 5 years without so much as a release date. It's a pretty far cry from pic related, though.
I think the most aggravating part about Charlie is how she just calls the sinners people who made some mistakes, as if she hadn’t just sung/danced through streets of literal depravity of murder and cannibalism and torture.
Like theoretically if her plan even worked and a ruthless murderer finds redemption and ascends to heaven…what the frick are their victims who are in heaven supposed to think, seeing the person who brutally killed them not being punished forever in hell?
Charlie is just so hopefully naive it’s honestly hard to watch.
>what the frick are their victims who are in heaven supposed to think, seeing the person who brutally killed them not being punished forever in hell?
If they repented and were redeemed on Earth it'd be the same story. Is it fair? I dunno, that's just how it works. The biggest thing is Charlie is going against how it's supposed to work, where people who have already been judged at death are given another opportunity. Hell is supposed to be forever, per the song.
uploaded a clip from the japanese dub if anyone is interested
the voice cast is apparently different from the pilot's here as well, though I guess that was to be expected
Pretty cool, Angel having a deeper voice here is a interesting choice. I'd love to see how everyone else sounds If you have the time to share more clips
A lot of sexual diversity with a million homosexual ships, but zero diversity in character personalities, objectives, and dialogues. They all talk and act the same.
>So elders my man my boys whats the situation >Be quiet human >But...But Im an angel now >Silence, it appears as though hell in its current state is rather inefficient >Yh I know total dump >We have plans to change it into something better >What? Oh dont tell me what Luciferspawn got to you too? >How dare you even hint that we could be under Lucifers influence because we are not we are absolutely not under Lucifers influence >Why are you looking around the place? >Call in the guy >The guy? >Hello Adam how it going its me the guy >Oh you >Yes me my brilliant idea will make Hell a much better place >Alright Im all ears >We dont have ears you idiot we made of energy >Can it with the nerd shit >The complaints by the abomination have made me think perhaps the extermination protocol is very stupid after all they are immortal souls its so wasteful to just end them >So what we just let them be there and dont kill them? >No no no come with me Adam you moron >Wait whats happening >Are we in outer space? >Yes outer space in the physical universe look over there >Its a star >Yes a star a large mass of superheated plasma >Um ok? Its nice gas I guess >Imagine something like that floating in the sky of hell >Would be pretty I guess >And every single sinnner is inside of it being roasted and burned alive for the rest of forever >Whoa holy shit dud thats fricking crazy thats your idea >Yes thats my idea we will use the miasma in hell's outside to create a sphere of superheated miasma that will draw in sinners like a black hole draws in matter with in only hours every sinner in the pride ring would be sucked into it and subjected to eternal burning forever >Wow >Therres no need for an extermination protocol if we move the sinners somwhere and still have them to suffer forever >I like it 10/10 honestly it was getting boring killing sinners you know Ive done it like one million times >Yes this will be a great thing
This show is turning out to be a hit in Japan. Half of all the QRTs on the official Twitter page's tweets I see are in Japanese. I imagine it's because it's so different from anything Japan is putting out right now.
I dont care about Angel Dust or Husk I wanna see pieces of shit fail to be rehabilitated, also Vaggie needs to tell Charlie these are fricking adults not children.
Charlies going to have a mental breakdown and start being more assertive cause thats the character arc of half of these kinda plots of someone trying to rehabilitate a shitty person
Why the hell would the devil want to be the ruler of hell? Hell is just a cage God put him in because hes that powerful that he needs a dimension sized cage to keep him locked up. If anything the devil should want to erase Hell from existence as its a physical manifestation of God's subjugation of him.
Depending on what you read even thats debatable. His only feats are messing around with the fermented sky/fake stars and getting horrifically bodied by michael. Meaning basically almost every video game, movie, tv show, comic manga whatevers Devil is stronger then what most consider the actual one including Vivzies manlet twink version
Man if only Velvet kicked the decapitated exorcist head to where that that ancient spider lord was sitting when she said "Oh I get it, so grandpa is too PUSSY to fight so I guess there's no point, right?" for an additional show of extravagance it would have been KINO!
Did he get raped?
Sadly not
Yet....
>we won't get a full ep of Vox and Alastor hate sex
Literally unwatchable
Alastor ain't shit. He's just a creep preying on the weak-minded.
Agreed. He's a fricking pussy.
Happy to hear I'm not the only one who hates his guts
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angel and husk are in a bit of a predicament
OVERLORD HUSK
OVERLORD HUSK
>pissed away his power until he had to sellout to Alastor just to survive
REINSTATE this man! Husk won! Alastor is not my overlord!
Frick Alastor, Husk is my new overlord daddy
On an individual level this was a cool bit of backstory. But in a broader sense, this is one more resident of the hotel that is some famous special over powered super villain, which now amounts to pretty much all of them. So I kinda miss assuming he was just some random ass drunk.
I think it shows that when it comes to sinners the ebb and flow of power can change for anybody. The ONLY thing separating Overlords and Sinners is whether or not they've made deals. I think the only two there with any real power are Charlie/Alastor. Everyone else are just kind of losers in comparison to others
It felt like a way bigger deal than the moment was even giving itself credit for, yeah, he was the oldest motherfricker of the group according to when they died it seemed (potentially outside of Alastor?) but to actually showcase even Overlords aren't untouchable is something else.
the thought process of a basic fiction writer of Viv's level is as follows:
"This character is ONLY important so long as he's powerful and has royalty. He can't just be a Nobody who came from nowhere."
Honestly, surprised that Disney's Wish didn't do that with any of the protagonist characters, because they tend to do that with A LOT.
>vanellopy just HAD to be the Princess of the game's land
Viv's special because she's made ALL of her OC's some level of "all powerful" person with connections to the elites. Blitzo and Fizz are poor but they're only important to the story because they're dating Hell Lords and she'd rather write stories about THEM and THEIR feelings of loneliness. The Poorer characters are just there to be stepped on and abused by the rich and powerful demons.
In Viv's world, there is NO attempt to over throw the status quo and let the monarchs of hell be punished. They're all "good" on the inside really. It's all HEAVENS Fault!
Princesses and upper class have been part of soap opera since theatre was invented.
This isn't a Marxist show. The class stuff is there for drama
Indeed, if this were a Marxist show it'd be thought provoking.
moronic homosexual commie
dumb slave
The fricking irony
Tell me how your great uprising worked in... every communist shithole country in the entirety of human history
cope and seethe
Power in Hell appears to be based entirely on merit, so of course the ones the story revolves around (and are therefore interesting) are going to have some sort of power or connections.
>In Viv's world, there is NO attempt to over throw the status quo and let the monarchs of hell be punished.
Are we watching the same shows? There are power plays happening in half the episodes, it's just that none of them have come to fruition yet.
>They're all "good" on the inside really. It's all HEAVENS Fault!
This is never implied.
Angel might be the only person in the hotel who's actually normal. Of the residents there are:
>the princess of Hell
>overlord
>former overlord
>fallen angel (not Dust)
And I don't know Niffty's deal, but if it's anything like Husk she's like an oni or something. Maybe Pentious is kind of normal, although he has the whole supervillain thing going and participates as his own faction in turf wars. He might be overlord-adjacent.
He's an aspiring overlord. Has big plans but loses all the time. He's an overlord in the way dick dastardly is a racer
Angel Dust is a household name level porn star. He’s not normal.
Surprsed nobody recognized him
STOP THE COUNT GAMBLE
Is anyone going to address the fact that Husk chopping the ends off their gun barrels by throwing playing cards like shurikens isn't going to stop the guns actually firing?
It'll make them less accurate sure, but at that distance it might not matter. So an especially stupid move when their most probable reaction to that attack is to just pull the trigger. Viv doesn't know how guns work. What a surprise.
Chopping gun barrels off to disable them is an old norm in cartoons. It's a loop hole to gave better action scenes in kid media. You can have people li e aiming real guns but they dont fire.
We are just used to it existing and accept it
I don't recall ever seeing it before. Can you give me any examples?
"Surprise" is generally not something you want to do to someone with a gun aimed at you. Kinda feels like this:
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I cant name any. I just think I saw them. It feels like something that would happen in a batman tas thing
I think I've seen something along the same lines, but where it's knocking it out of their hands or slicing through the chamber, which makes more sense.
And the level of 'cartoon' logic is relevant here. If Husk had shoved his finger in the barrel to make it backfire like Bugs Bunny, that obviously wouldn't work either, and instead imply some kind of indestructability or other power on Husk's part at best. Which is to say, it does kinda matter. The only good thing is it goes by pretty fast, so people are probably going to assume it's less of a problem than it would be if they actually absorbed what literally happened.
Maybe the intent was just to surprise and distract them for a few seconds. They immediately ran outside after.
I think it was just horny and creepy in a fun way. It's there for aestetics
Wasn't expecting him to be an overlord of.. I guess gambling? but it fits him.
Good backstory.
His design is so shitty to be an overlord
well he used to wear a shirt
But no one mentioned Val?
Val's design is great. The execution is what was extremely underwhelming. Especially for a character who was getting merchandise last year.
Where are those two cuties now?
They're definitely dead
If they ain't with him, than they out making there his money
That jobber is also an overlord?
I hate his design
He probably fricked Carmilla and Zestiel watched
>BTFO
I wish. He just got slightly disrespected. He needs to lose a fight on screen.
I unironically liked Ep4
I just hope it doesn't go too much into gay drama like Helluva Boss.
this show is way too much of a character mess to have focus on a character like Helluva Boss did with Blitzo
Anon, what do you expect from these shows?
It'd be nice if Husk and Angel just had a vitolic buddy friendship. But you know, platonic love doesn't exist anymore in media and Husk will be balls deep in Angel by episode 8...
Well on the countdown video, before the premier release, one of the fun facts was that the only straight character was nifty. So I wouldn't count that out.
>we’ve gotten to the point where groups have a token straight character
How did it come to this.
Well it's hell so expect the unexpected to happen
He's one of the subtlely funniest characters to me. He always feels obligated to keep smiling but people won't stop testing him by being buttholes or turning him into some sort of errand boy.
Spoonfeed me a torrent please
All demons are for black men.
Better than being a dyke
Sodomy includes bestiality, anon
so where the frick can I watch this? I can't find it on any torrent page or free streaming website.
kimcartoon
thx anon
Why do I have the feeling that at some point it will be revealed that these two are related?
I figure Vaggie is half-angel or a full-angel.
>I figure Vaggie is half-angel or a full-angel.
is that even a twist when everal demons already are angels like Lucifer and Charlie
Their duet was so random
>being a lesbian is just like being a mother, guys
>Their duet was so random
>being a lesbian is just like being a mother, guys
Really? I thought their connection was that vegana killed the angel and Weapons Mommy was keeping it a secret and pretending that she was the one who did it. I may have just been jumping to conclusions since I skipped half the song because it was shit.
I think vaggie is singing about protecting Charlie in this song, while Carmilla is singing about protecting her daughters and not wanting war or something and the whole parallel is "let me be your protector". Unless I'm remembering it wrong. I also tuned out during this song because it's easily the worst one so far.
Carmilla is one of the oldest overlords and Vaggie is either a heavenborn (lol) angel or an ex-mortal prostitute that died in 2014 (if the old lore is still canon). Also, one is a moth and the other one is a black swan so doubt they're blood-related.
>the other one is a black swan
Oh THAT'S what she's supposed to be. I couldn't place it. I though she was some kind of wildcat, what with those big meaty paws.
>swan
And her daughter's name is Odette. Hardly subtle.
Carmilla is a hellbor right? Why did the Angels attack her/her daughters? Is this supposed to be some Heaven altering the deal or did they forget about the only sinners targeted part
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What is Charlie saying here?
"Where did you people come from"
Thanks for helping an ESL out.
Where did all you people come from
>bad abusive contracts
Why don't Charlie just ask Lucifer to break them?
Lucifer most likely wouldn't care at all about some abusive relatioship between two random sinners
Yeah it's like asking a king to deal with a petty domestic issue. He might do it for a friend of the family.
...which it will be a request from his daughter?
Maybe. Demonic contracts in fiction are usually unbreakable and there is either an escape clause or a way to trick the demon.
If Luci can't break contracts he's even more pathetic.
He'll need to build up more absolutism for that
Lucifer has more important things to do, like collecting rubber ducks
Does anyone have the mega for all the episodes?
Does this moronic moth has a death wish or what?
I seriously thought Velvette was gonna be the most stupid of the 3, but holy shit this guy.
Velvet and Vox need to get rid of this moronic moth FAST, it's only a matter of time before his stupid ass gets all of them in trouble
Velvette seemed well-reasoned in her first appearance, short as it was. She was a victim of Val's tard tantrum and called Vox to wrangle him because she couldn't.
I also thought this way about al trying to make a deal with the kings daughter.
Charlie is nice to a fault and doesnt want to 'be mean' but Lucifer shouldn't also be a doormat.
Yeah once Charlie learns how to go apeshit on people he's screwed.
If she's an overlord she's a sinner.
>If she's an overlord she's a sinner
Not necessarily, Rosie is an overlord and a natural hellborn
Why would a hellborn want to be an overlord and basically be stuck in the pride ring?
because most other places in Hell also suck and becoming a criminal boss is pretty much the only way to rise up in power as a Hellborn because there seems to be a rather strict social caste system among them.
You could be a mobster don like Crimson in Helluva Boss, though that probably requires an excessive amount of effort and cruelty to make other Hellborn actually scared of you enough to listen, or you could just go be an Overlord and prey on desperate Sinners eager to sign over their souls for protection from the culling. It's the easiest power grab possible in their setting.
Being a gang lord in Greed sounds better and safer than dealing with sinners and executioners
>Rosie is an overlord and a natural hellborn
Oh yeah... just that... she's surely nothing else ha ha ha...
I don't think this guy has a functioning frontal lobe. He's very emotional and doesn't consider that this girl or her parents could rip him to shreds if he gets out of line. He's betting it all on them having the extraordinary patience to suffer his shittery.
Would his contract bind Charlie despite her being light years ahead of power? Also why is this moron trying to promise riches to the literal fricking princess of hell.
>"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott." -Valentino
Lucifer in this hell is less like a French Absolutist monarch of Chinese emperor and more like a King of England after the English civil war or basically any currently still existent European monarchy - He’s a total figurehead.
People like the Seven Deadly Sins, Ars-Goetia and Overlords in descending order of magnitude hold all the actual power.
Charlie showing up and actually trying to pull the ‘I’m royalty I do as I please’ card is delusional on her end.
I don't think thats exactly the case as the Sins are still frick you powerful and even Ozzy said he can just beat the frick out of anyone sans other Sins if they had an issue with his stuff.
Charlie is implied to be packing power but won't let it loose and Lucifer is probably the same way in this setting. Really set him off and the likes of Valentino would shit their pants
Lucy and Charlie have real overwhelming power so politics dont mean shit to them
It seems like Sinners have no respect for hell royalty at all, I imagine the actual Hellborn do since HB shows them all respecting and fearing the Sins.
He could probably have absolute power if he wanted to but he seems to not give a shit about hell at all. Not surprising considering that he used to be one of the most powerful angels and even being the king of hell is like being the king of a pile of poo in comparison.
Yes, but only because he believes Charlie is a doormat.
I'm sure we're gonna have the obligatory episode where he pisses off Charlie enough and she demonstrates exactly why she's the Princess of Hell. Then we go through the typical trope of her believing she's no fit to redeem anyone.
He's being dumb and wienery, but I doubt people are aware of Charlie's power, so he's not too worried about her. She likely never attacked anyone before. Katie also was a b***h to Charlie in public and nothing came out of it. She's this weird person the overlords can bully somewhat but too much to incur Lucifer's wrath.
No one has any respect or apprehension for Charlie, and by extension Lucifer, which makes her being the princess of hell mean nothing. It would at least make sense given the context of source material, that no one would want to touch the hotel assuming it was another trick by Lucifer in his unending torment of people there, with the joke hitting because Charlie is sincere.
lucifer doesnt torment. it's in the intro. He loves humans and so his punishment is to never see them good or happy only destroy each other.
In actual Christian lore, doesn't Lucifer despise Humanity?
Yes, but more by proxy because God made humans in His image.
Officially, he's jealous of humanity for, among other things, having free will, which is fricking stupid because he also had the free will to disobey. I'm no religion hater. I attend services. But I always thought that bit made it obvious that the stories are manmade and poorly thought out.
Some of the other things he's jealous of are the fact that humans can "create life," something angels (and later, demons) can't do. He also hated the idea that he was meant to bow to man.
I thought the devil hated God and wanted control over all creation
He's just pissy towards god favoring mankind
Sure, but the question was whether Satan hated humanity, which he does, so I expanded on that.
>The real world Supervillain, Lucifer, is a deranged destructive moron.
>Thus, this must mean that Christians/Jews were making things up, right?
>Forgets about the Pharoh, Sodom and Gormilla being so perverted it surprised God, King Solomon screwing up his entire kingdom by pussy collecting, Elijah’s signs and wonders get rejected by the Baal worshipping King and Queen when he literally defeated hundreds of prophets at once
Evil IS moronic, anon.
we dont have free will either. we are the third, this is hell.
Officialy, he's evil because he's fricking stupid
>But he did not sustain the brightness and the honour which the Creator had bestowed on him, and of his free choice was changed from what was in harmony to what was at variance with his nature, and became roused against God Who created him, and determined to rise in rebellion against Him: and he was the first to depart from good and become evil. For evil is nothing else than absence of goodness, just as darkness also is absence of light.
>t. St. John of Damascus
You mean in the bible? Satan was never shown to personally give a frick about humans and only seems to deceive them to make God angry.
Satan despising humans and having a rivalry with them is from Islam. Satan being just a being whose job is to judge and punish humans under God orders is from Judaism
Christianity Satan is surprisingly very distant from humans. Western writers never write him accurate to the bible because this Satan would probably just say something like "who the frick cares about humans, I just want to beat Jesus and Michael"
he appears by name only twice right? the temptation of Jesus and the taking orders from god to hurt job
I think Mephisto from Goethe's Faust was a good interpretation of the christian devil. He only fricks around with Faust, because of a bet he made with God.
I mean if you're humans made of fire proposal got rejected you'd also hate the accepted choice
Reminds me of how Sseth described Cain's curse in Vampire the Masquerade
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>"Angel, I'll release you from your contract, But..."
>"..."
>"I just need you to star in one more film!...."
> Alastor got BTFO'd
Did the episode you watched took place in your head ?
He's talking about the part "no one wondered where you've been"
Well then sure if him being slightly annoyed is him getting BTFO then I guess he has been BTFO several time already, including in the pilot
Have you seen the b***hy face he made when other overlords said they don't give a shit about his absence?
So this cartoon is basically an American Panty and Socking?
How would they (and the demon sisters) fare in the helluverse?
it wishes
Charlie having gay thoughts
What thots? the wolf has no ass.
>which is fricking stupid because he also had the free will to disobey
except when he tried that, he got banished to hell for all eternity, that doesn't sound like free will to me, that sounds like tyranny
mankind meanwhile was not only god's favorite creation, but could do whatever they wanted except eat from the tree, with no repercussions - and even when this order was disobeyed, man was still punished far less harshly than Lucifer was
is fricking stupid because he also had the free will to disobey
>except when he tried that, he got banished to hell for all eternity, that doesn't sound like free will to me, that sounds like tyranny
I have the free will to murder someone
If I get punished for it it isn't free will its tyranny
He got punished for thought crimes, he didn't do anything wrong besides express displeasure with his life situation
IRL he led a rebellion against God , joining a 1/3 of Angels to come join, alongside doing other things
>IRL
He was punished for thinking he could do God's job of ruling the universe better than God Himself. It was his pride that earned him Hell more than anything
Where are the cheeks?
Charlie is a furry ? That knocks her more than a few points in my book
Holy frick, Vaggie better NOT let Charlie anywhere near a certain hellhound named Loona if she wants to keep her gf
Off I meant to say off. Who gets aroused by an animal ? Well Charlie apparently
>no buttcheecks
I warned you that this show wouldn't give us a female bare ass
dogs don't have cheeks
Does this mean Loona and Beelzebub have nothing to hide underneath their clothes?
REEEEEEEEE CUT THIS NULL SHIT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Blushes seeing the girl naked but not the guy
And who says this show doesn't have nuance?
I wonder how she reacts to Vaggie changing
Probably the same way that with the hellhound lady, but since Charlie is one of those borings "no sex before marriage" type sadly it ends at there...
Isn't she supposed to be bi?
Maybe she saw her ex-bf's dick
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>deviantart
someone is into the flashing slug NPC that showed up for 10 seconds.
I will take requests on a list. I aint drawin in 5eva so don't expect quality.
Can you do some stuff with her?
It's on the list already, actually, I like FemFizzaroli a lot.
Do something with my wife Lute pls
Another sexy background character for the collection
Anything with her
Draw Vox being a bawd.
Where the voice changes on these two done just to annoy people who b***h about casting changes?
Funny how interest in Katie completely plummeted after this
The Katie voice change was the worst change in the series by far. She sounds like a man now.
That’s because Brandon Rogers IS a man. She’s literally voiced by Blitzo.
>Her shoes are made of angelic stuff too
Bruh
Hey, when you're the one leading the blackmarket with high class weapons that can hurt the nobles, you'd treat yourself something nice too
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Link dead.
no it's fine!
I died
>Episode 4 thumbnail is AD getting ass raped
Like pottery
its broken for me or maybe im moronic and I don't know how to put the link
What do I put in front of it? Help.
google base64
Coding? What? Someone post the full unbroken url
Nvm I got it
>What makes you think you can TREAT HIM LIKE THAT?!
Seeing Charlie go full mama bear for Angel was great. I hope we get to see her go ape shit on someone this season
Same, she may be a tard but a sweet caring tard
>full mama bear
>simpers away because angel is coerced to tell her to go instead of fricking doing something
This behavior would unironically be the gayest fricking thing coming from a guy....oh, wait.
current cast ranking
I'm looking through Prime Video and Hazbin is literally not listed anywhere on the main page despite being a new arrival. You have to actively do a search for "Hazbin Hotel" if you want to find it. What's the deal?
Amazon clearly knows that this shit is ONLY going to be viewed by Viv's specific audience, normies and anybody unfamiliar with her obviously aren't going to give two fricks about this show
Also hoping to stay off Fox News's radar.
I think it's just you. I see it in the giant scrolling banner of new stuff at the top of the page. It's also further down, in the actual listings.
This is what they recommended for me.
Is THIS any good?
Yes actually.
Yes
Yes. A bit of a rough start but gets good
OK, so a few other anons are saying yes, but then Anons are willing to say the same thing about Hazbin.
Is this like Arcaine good? Castelvania good? or Kevin Smith He-Man good?
It's quite literally an animated D&D campaign where everyone can say "frick". There's really not much more I can tell you to sell it any harder
>Hazbin is a disney musical that says frick
That literally does nothing to sell it for me anon. I don't want to invest time into something that'll piss me off.
Well VM isn't a musical if you don't count Scanlan's antics, and I'd hardly call it woke. It's your usual fantasy adventure with an ensemble cast of veteran voice actors playing thier tabletop characters and having fun with it. If that doesn't work for you, dunno what else to say other than try new things already, ya frickin' whiner
well i asked, is it castelvania good or arcaine good? I still wanna check out invincible, cause I'm interested in that story a lot, but I wanna be in the right mood for it.
I'm hesitant because I'm feeling it's gonna be cringe like The Boys: Diabolical. you can't tell me it's got swears and that be a selling point. I'm not into D&D as a concept.
I'll give it chance, and I don't care if something is woke or not. Just be good and take yourself seriously enough that you're not trying to fill out a mad lib of cliche tropes.
You'd probably get that vibe from the first two eps and Scanlan's general antics in season 1 but I'd say stick it out until they hit Percy's home when the vampire arc starts which is basically what season 1 is about
I don't think any of those are good comparisons. Its just a D&D campaign made into a cartoon literally with adult humor and violence. Like I said the first ep or so is a bit crass although to be fair this is introducing a cast technically midway through a campaign way after they became a crew. Some people I think made fun of the cgi dragon but I thought it was fine. It picks up once the big plot starts after they take on the storm dragon and head out to do Percy's loyalty quest which is about where the big plot started in the actual campaign.
Second season is good. I found it fun on its own but you'd get more out of it if you are familiar with the source material
I for one am waiting patiently for The Mighty Nein show
Caduceus ruined Firbolgs.
Now everyone plays them as freakshit cow people.
I hate how smooth and clean everyone is. Looks bizzare as hell. Tumblr shit.
I find it to be enjoyable.
Just keep in mind the show is based on a D&D campaign where the players are fricking about most of the time, so the tonal shifts and pacing can be awkward, especially in the first season. They get better about it in the second season.
Ok so like I need THIS sort of feedback because I can accept a show meandering about it's characters and having that be the reason we grow to like them. But that's the issue with Owl House, Centaur World, or Lower Decks is that I actually have to LIKE the characters and how they speak and interact with each other for 8 episodes BEFORE they start to take shit seriously, and I just don't have the patience for that.
I've seen a lot of media and if I can predict the ending in the 1st episode, it's not going to be a good time to get to know any of these shit heads.
Same. I thought as a new release it would be front and center, but I actually had to search for it. Maybe I have some content settings set I'm unaware of, but I see other mature audience stuff so I don't know what the deal is.
This is what I see on the front page. Not logged in, and I never use prime video.
That other homosexual lied to us on Cinemaphile? No! I don't think I can ever recover from this betrayal.
It's too much for me honestly. Going to go die real quick.
This is what's on the front page for me and Hazbin isn't listed anywhere if you scroll through the huge banner on the top or the "Amazon Originals and Exclusives" list. The only other thing I've ever used Prime to watch was Invincible so you'd think they'd recommend another animated show to me but I guess not.
Showed up as a rec in mine. It's probably based on personal algorithm
So what do you guys think of Velvette ? certainly not the characterization I was expecting but her song is catchy.
Would prefer her to be that crazy girl from Pilot. Like maybe her fashion company is basically her playing like a girl with dolls who are Sinners controlled by her like toys. A demented idea of a child of what business like that is like. It would make hell feel more surreal where shit like that is the business instead of just doing social media bits. But as she is, she is entertaining.
She’s a brat and needs correction.
Bratty zoomer demon needs RAPE correction!
How the frick can a zoomer be an overlord? Her death was extremely recent yet shes an overlord?
She cancelled a overlord and took their place.
Being an overlord is less about age and more about controlling turf and the souls within it. It doesn't matter how you do it, you just have to be able to take it and keep it. The Vees are less about raw power and more about persuasion and coercion, which doesn't take that long to utilize. It's just a matter of outdoing the competition.
But anon older people have a longer time to logically acquire power and territory hence the Boomercracy in every fricking nation on Earth. Vox is obviously a millennial but Velvette is absolute zoomer
Vox is supposedly a boomer, but at any rate he specialized in a niche that old-timers like Carmine and Zestial don't understand that gives him influence they don't. It's why he outcompeted the older Alastor even though Alastor is older and has become majorly powerful himself. Vox created a sprawling infrastructure that Velvette also uses. If we're talking about dudes that have been there for a while, their knowledge could be centuries behind what current sinners know. That's a disadvantage overlords like the Vees can exploit, probably right under their noses.
She's not a zoomer, she's supposed to be in her early 30s iircs
seems like the v's are the more interesting characters in the show, and if they're planning to provoke the overlords into war, while showing how lazy and fat they've gotten i'm with them
if hell power is based on belief, having the meeting transmitted all over hell would catapult them to the top tier status
I like her. I felt like she was going to be the redundant V, the one who is just there while the other two carry the group, but she seems to have a unique role among them. I like that she's the one who volunteers for stuff that matters. I think she's the only V who doesn't have to put on a public persona, because her public persona is just how she is, which is a huge b***h. That allows her to speak more honestly than the others and probably why they trust her to speak for them at the meeting. She's also keen enough to read people and situations. She had an outburst at the meeting, but unlike Val and Vox's outbursts, hers seems calculated. She wanted to shock Carmilla into giving an unfiltered reaction. She could be an interesting character to watch in the future. I hope they don't ruin her.
I love her. I was worried she was gonna be get sidelined after Episode 2 since she didn’t have an enemy at the hotel like the other Vees. But I was pleasantly surprised, now Respectless is stuck in my head and I’m looking forward to her next appearance. Definitely my favorite villain in the show now.
[spoilers]Dumb question but what is her accent? I can’t really pin down the dialect but it’s hot.[/spoilers]
I hate her guts, but in like, the way where that makes her an effective villain of the show, I WANT to see her get a comeuppance for being such a disrespectful arrogant zoomer brat.
Yeah I feel the same, but I also wanna see how evil and cruel she is considering how ruthless Valentino was with Angel. I need that same energy for her to be as fricked up.
I like her in a “she’s bad... but she’s BAD” sort of way. Also her design with the twintails reminds me of La Brava, since they both have hearts on their outfits, wear stripe pants and assist another villain. I think she’ll get punished since the clown twins in HB got done in too.
Okay cool, cause Xenoblade gave me a thing for European accents but I don’t think I heard that one before.
What flavors are they?
Also to answer your question, I wanna say it's a southwest England/Liverpool accent. I'm far from an expert tho
And forgot pic, frick me
Velvet is chocolate raspberry. Val is like an obnoxiously sweet cotton candy/bubblegum flavor. Vox definitely has some mint in his.
You actually like her?
I did too... until she jumped into that horrible song in Ep 3. I now hate her more than any other character.
It basically boiled down to:
"Frick y'all imma do whatever I want"
"Ok, but there are serious implications and consequences we need to cons-"
"FRICK Y'ALL IMMA DO WHATEVER I WANT"
I hope they don't give her the layup and actually have serious ramifications for this stupid behavior. I hope a lot of demons die because of her. I hope she loses everything.
This. If Velvette actually suffers consequences it will be based. If she just girlbosses and gets away with it because DOOOD SHE'S SUCH A BOSS b***h #FEMINIST ICON I'm gonna be fricking pissed.
She seemed like she was riling them up because she knew one of them was involved. She's taking in everyone's reaction to the head when she shows it, before she settles on Camilla and sees her sulking
She was clearly trying to delegitimize the meeting by being obnoxious. It's a power move. But yeh, if it backfired that would be funny in its own right.
She's good, and I usually hate these "social media expert" characters. It's an improvement over the crazy, doll-like look she had at first. She didn't even look like an Overlord then, she looked like a minion.
so im not much of a lore expert but Lilith and Alastor connected? Lilith has been missing for 7 years and Alastor shows up after 7 years of also missing and the first thing he does is get involved in Charlie's pet project
Not confirmed but most assume that to be the case. Think there was some "leak" implying that Lilith is masquerading as Rosie
>awww, Carmilla is a loving and protective mother!
>then realizing her and her daughters were such shit people in life the whole family got sent to hell
It’s pretty jarring when you remember all these compelling and sympathetic characters are all bad and deserve to be in Hell.
They were bad in life, but some of them have been in Hell for many lifetimes, maybe centuries or thousands of years in some cases. Bad people have changed for the better over the case of one lifetime, who is to say people can't improve themselves afterwards or start to get a different perspective? It's like the entire thesis of the show, that one lifetime shouldn't decide your eternity and that you should be able to change.
Besides, people in this setting go to hell for the likes of suicide or doing drugs, it doesn't take much.
Suicide was considered sinful, because it was seen as an insult to Jesus' sacrifice. And technically it's against the 6th Commandment.
yeah the whole premise is kind of skewed because you're supposed to sympathise with these characters but then you have to wonder what they did to deserve hell
because until we learn more about it, we have to assume that people are able to get into Heaven so even though Adam's an butthole, there's still a way to go there
Yeah like look at Sir Pentious, he’s a kooky silly guy we all have a laugh at and enjoy, but he’s in hell for a reason, like imagine if he worked orphans to death in his 19th century London factories or some shit, makes it hard to look at him the same way.
The premise is screwed, because Hell and Heaven are a Vivzie fanfic version.
To be honest I'm expecting it to be revealed that it's completely random who goes where and the Winners/Sinners thing in Adam's song is literal.
Considering this is the same hell where there are deaf demon kids with hopes and dreams, it's clear that it's mostly hell in name only, and just an excuse for Vivzie to create whatever wacky character or scenario she wants. It's not following the usual rules and just seems to be a place for anyone who has ever done any lesser crime.
The show has also not adressed yet what to do with pedophiles, rapists and racists if they want to be "redeemed". Is Charlie okay letting that kind of sick freak into her hotel?
Viv said hell is like prison, draw your own conclusions
The majority people there are black?
I know she’s implying that pedos all get the shit kicked out of them or murdered in Hell, but I seriously doubt that a place full of unrepentant monsters would care.
Like they have a district literally called Cannibal Town, there’s probably a Pedo Alley somewhere in Hell.
You don't get to become a rich overlord who owns souls in prison.
Charlie literally said it herself that she trusts everyone, so if a rapist pedo nazi walked up to the hotel saying he wanted to get redeemed she would welcome them with open arms.
I just want uncle Adolf and red Joe to make an apperance at the Hotel and in a Vivzie work, bros.
This is as good as you are gonna get
is he going to get the pineapple scene?
>Considering this is the same hell where there are deaf demon kids with hopes and dreams
Those are imps, creatures born here that were never human, not sinners that were sent to Hell for the sins committed in their human life.
Hellborns were never human, he was just born deaf in hell.
TOTAL DEMON DEATH
I feel like they're going with South Park's take on heaven and hell, meaning that most of the people that go to Heaven are those who live a very modest life like the mormons while you can go to Hell even for enganging in masturbation more than once.
>bad people can't have families or relationships
he also forgot that Carmilla is hot, and I'm not saying this only, because I have a thing for mature women.
The most evil people in human history have still had loved ones/people who cared about them. I didn't really mind.
Family value criminals is an old trope.
I'm actually enjoying this so far but I can't deal with the forced songs. It's cringe.
Where are the links? Mega?
You can torrent it.
zoomers dont know what torrenting is
False. I am 20 and been torrenting since I was 15. I think you meant gen alpha.
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Halving seen the new episode, is it wired i care a million times move about the overlords meeting then anyone at the hotel.
Also the problem of introducing this new charaters that viv seems to think people outsdie her fandom know. Like the old english spider guy, I i know about him is he old, freind with carmile, and Alister likes him.
>Carmilla
>Knows how big of a deal a dead angel is
>Doesn't attempt to hide the body, left it sitting out in the open for a week
>The Vees
>Also know how big of a deal a dead angel is
>Only take the head and leave the rest of an extremely valuable find
The body was lying there a week and no one thought it was a good idea to pick it up?
I don't think Carmilla killed the angel, however I do see the V's planting the evident to upstage Carmilla and the old english spider dude. They seem to be the oldest overlords in hell, and from what we seen fear the old man in a sports for the young. Also, Alastar definaly going to use this information to blackmail, Carmilla into helping with the war in heaven.
>I don't think Carmilla killed the angel
Wasn't her song entirely an admission that she did?
No, it was a song about protection the loved onces, with Vaggie for some reason?
However, they mine have going the weapon that can kill an angel, but never used it because it would destroy the balance of power in hell. Also, still think it werid that the V definely want the old generation gone.
She was basically screaming that she did it. It was so obvious that it's probably a misdirect though.
Same, but knowing viv this is to obvious that there has to be a twist. I still of the camp that carmile weapons can kill angel, and Alsiater going to blackmail her into helping with with the war?
Also the V's are definaly planning something about overthrowing them. Why introdicte the two oldest overlords if not to try to take them down.
>Alsiater going to blackmail her into helping with with the war?
Is this something we know Alastor wants? I think we can assume that Alastor will use this info somehow, but he hasn't expressed actual motivations for anything he does yet.
It's mostly because the finally of the show will be a battle between haven and hell. So, how do you get one of the oldest overlords on your sign but blackmail. Also, because he seem to like Carmille more then the V.
>I always thought that I would keep blood off my face
>But when that thing attacked, I had to act
>To cross that line and keep them safe
>But if anyone knew, then all of Hell would rise to war
>And who's to say who'd survive the fray?
>I might lose the ones that I was killing for
It's a song about protection of loved ones prompted with a pretty blatant admission that she did it. Although maybe Viv is taking us on some wacky ride where yet another new character will be introduced and immediately make an admission. I'm going to take this at face value for now because there's not enough time for too many redirects in this plotline.
I thought the Vees only found the head? It doesn't make sense that Carmilla didn't try to hide the body though, if she knew what the reaction would be. I guess maybe she was hoping the angels would see it the way the old guy did, as potentially just some mishap during the extermination and not something a sinner necessarily did. Still doesn't make sense though. If they hid the body, that angel would be considered missing but it wouldn't seem as big of a deal.
What would (You) do if (You) ended up in Viv hell?
Ton of coke
Rape Niffty repeatedly so long and so hard all that's left of her body is a puddle of meat jello.
You think you will be doing the raping? Ha. Haha.
But yeah I'd let Niffty yandere me. I can't die permanently so there's not much risk.
Her first line in the show is "I like being forced"
She brings an interesting thing, Hell must be heaven to masochistic nutjobs.
What did the sadist say when the masochist begged "Hurt me!"
"No."
gotta admit I didn't expect Vivzie to go that far lmao
she literally wrote an entire episode about rape
Repent for my sins in order to get accepted in the superior Heaven
You clearly didn't hear Adam's song in the first episode
Too bad anon, your chance to enter heaven was the life you lead as a mortal
I don't know what's going on with Vaggie's voice actor, but that scene where she pretends to be a drill sergeant and she sounds like she just figured out what yelling was yesterday was terrible.
It's probably the voice direction, because she does have a pretty decent singing voice.
>Viv confirmed God isn't a thing in Hellaverse
>characters are still saying "God damnit" and "Christ" as an expletive
Questions are raised.....
The Cherubs literally had a motivational poster of a quote from God.
Everyone seems to be buying Charlie’s story from the first two minutes as gospel when it clearly sounds like bullshit some parents would tell their kid why they aren’t totally the bad guys.
>Power in Hell appears to be based entirely on merit
It seems to be based on power level, the phisically strongest will have more power.
Lucifer and the Sins are in charge because they are far more powerful than everybody else, the nobles and charlie are rich because they are naturally stronger than other demons
The Overlords in the other hand seems to hold a monopoly on their industries because they have superpowers that allow them to fully control those products, no one can use a radio without Alastor permission because he can snap his fingers and make it stop working, so they end up richer than everybody but the Sins themselves who get money from taxes. Everybody else can only make money by being hired by the goverment, an overlord or making some small business not related to the overlords monopolies so naturally they could never be as rich as the higher class demons.
WHERE IS SHE
>she
anon I...
What?
RAPE TIME
Sexo with the mother and her daughters
Her old hairstyle was infinitely better
Everything was better in the pilot.
big hands
Sweet dreams, best boy.
Alastor has shown more power than anyone else in the show period
This includes the rulers of every circle of hell
The show is moronic beyond comprehension already, helluva boss had an assassin with angel weapons get defeated three times by the team and the last time it was a joke
So, is Alistor supposed to be a Wendigo
>deer theme
> Obsessed with consumption
>cannibalism theme
I think he is also one of the few characters who actually eat in the show
>I bet he never gets to feel full either no matter how much he eats
Wendigo inspired but I think he's probably a cannibal (was in life), did some voodoo shit or tried to strike a deal with Hell for power by doing some real fricked up Dahmer shit
The realization that not all sinners die in an extermination causes all sorts of questions like where are the sinners from 500 years ago?
Few and far between most likely, but also likely they're Overlord tier if they've managed to survive centuries of purges
Come to think of it, it's pretty impressive that Pentius survived for so long given that he's from the 19th century. Kek Is it because of sheer (dumb) luck?
He was in his early 30s in the late 1800s, but he contracted a rare form of sleeping sickness, lived about another 70 years, and then died in the 20th century.
Well, we have Zestial who is 'ancient' even by their standards
and it seems even some wimpy sinners
>like Tom Trench, from WWI
survived for quiet a while
also Lilith is old as balls, literally
>calls the literal Devil a manlet to his face
Somebody put a stop to this madman before it's too late!
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This ... isn't good. There's wanking a character and WANKING a character.
Why is Satan so short? What the fricking shit Viv
That's Lucifer, not Satan
Afaik this "Satan" is lower ranking than Lucifer and is only one of the seven sins not having any authority over the others. He's not "Satan" he's just a demon who happens to be called Satan, Satan is supposed to be a title not a name.
I wonder if they argue over humans keep thinking they are the same guy.
Lucifer and Satan are two completely different entities in here
But if hes not Satan why should I care about him?
Satan in some versions of the bible isnt even what we perceive as the devil just some guy who judges people
based nogs
Neither the lightbringer or the morning star are the fallen angel in Abrahamic religion. Neither is Satan, that's god's douchebag DA that was fricking with Job. Lucifer isn't even a name. It's from the half-literate translators
Why the hell would the devil want to be the ruler of hell? Hell is just a cage God put him in because hes that powerful that he needs a dimension sized cage to keep him locked up. If anything the devil should want to erase Hell from existence as its a physical manifestation of God's subjugation of him.
Funny enough, that was the villians plot in Dogma: exploit a theological loophole to unmake existence itself because utter oblivion was preferable to another second in Hell. Only it wasn't Lucifer's plan, it was some low level angel who was banished to Hell because he sat on the sidelines during Lucifer's little shit fit in Heaven and refused to pick a side.
I mean, the devil being a seething, sniveling shit doesn't make for good television.
But he does make it easy to make up shit like turning him into a twink which is shockingly common
>ruler of the Wrath ring is the Sheriff
I dig it, I like his lil pentagram spurs.
Even Husk doesn't give a frick
ok today me and my babies are going to watch the rest of habbo hotel
what is that
pretty sure the dude is using an AR computer setup and a headset.
Viv wtf...
I mean..
>local gay youth twerks while vulnerable old man lays injured on the ground
......so what's the deal with the hat? Is it part of him? It's own little creature that rides around on his head? I MUST KNOW
It's a part of him at least in the old lore it would show his true feelings.
Fatass
when angel dust was getting smacked around and yelled at i got a boner.
>the voice dip
I wish it was happening to Charlie so I could say the same
I couldn't take the "AHHH TRAUMA AND ABUSE" shit seriously because of how homosexualy and unthreatening Val is after that crybaby fest he put on and that gay accent he has.
biblically accurate Devil when?
Biblically accurate devil is a loser who can't actually do anything himself and isn't even the king of hell
That scream Vox does when he goes "turn the TV ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN" goes so fricking hard, I think it's my favorite line of any song so far.
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How the frick does a sinner get a mechanical body?
Convince me he didn't cum. You can't.
As the sole straight rep in Hazbin Hotel, Niffty has to be hetero enough for a dozen people. Maybe more to counteract Angel Dust. That explains why she is the way she is.
I really really hope Lucifer lives up to the hype. I'm going to be eternally sad they didn't actually get Weird Al to play him.
His voice has been leaked for a while now anon so prepared to be disappointed.
We’ve already been through this. Weird Al loves Jesus too much to let himself be cast as Fun Lucifer.
My feelings towards the other characters keep flip flopping
Yeah, I agree.
Friendship ended with Angel
Now Sir Pentious is my new best friend
wtf why am I shipping Charlie and Pentious now
what kind of mind frickery is this
tbf I feel like you can ship anyone with anyone else in this show
They're all either bi or gay so it's by design at this point
except for nifty she's hands off
>well that sounds like a challen-
>no, I was speaking literally. Still haven't found both hands of the last poor schmuck who tried a reacharound on her
nvm figured it out, daddy issues and hard self-inserting as charlie but I'm no dike and alastor and lucy feel too emotionally unavailable
ah well
SO u wanna frick pentious, get in line then.
is there anyone that likes him that does not want to frick him or isn't at least neutral about the option?
I'm the sole straight Hazbin fan and I don't want to frick Pentious.
There is another... and I should know. He's me.
I don't really want to frick anyone in this show, though. These designs don't do anything for me.
HEY
THIS GUY'S STRAIGHT
GET 'IM
Not gonna frick you. Not even at a gunpoint.
third one here, same, dont want to frick anyone in hazbin or helluva, though i like the designs for some characters
>dont want to frick anyone in hazbin or helluva
ANYONE? Okay that's just deranged. At minimum Charlie can get stuffed with my wiener all night. Millie too. And I think I speak for almost everyone when I say "I'm not a furry, but..."
I want to frick Vaggie so bad, these episodes made me so attracted to her more than my attraction to Charlie
End of episode 2 when she shows up in her nightgown was pretty fricking hot, I'll admit. I really don't like her face, though.
>wanting to frick the lesbian moth
Go tame her, you magnificent son of a b***h
Based Vaggie enjoyer
Its that dead inside look that just makes me diamonds and want to fix her
If they give us naked loona without null shit and I will shit the bed and cum
I'm pretty sure they will never do that because YouTube has limits on what you can show.
Bypass: merge the two shows with Hazbin absorbing its spin off off shoot, loona is now in Hazbin hotel. Now its not on YouTube and they can show us naked loona minus null.
Loona is a hellborn, Vaggie would tell her to frick off.
bold of you to assume that two dicks on one guy are only attractive to homos
i dunno, here have a charlet.
Understandable
Who is it?
A fan imagination of his son
>The Pride Ring is only the size of a city
What the actual frick?
What we saw is probably just a scale view of Pentagram city (the city in which HH takes place of)
I don’t want to frick any of the characters because they are all foul demons and feeling base lustful thoughts towards their kind is a sin.
Now Emily, I want to hold her hand.
ungloved, skin to skin contact.
She's made for cuddles and kisses!
>bare skin hand holding
This is a blue board, anon! You can't be posting about that kind of degeneracy here.
Where the frick is episode 3 and 4?
On Prime, my dear b***h.
I swear Vaggie is being voiced by a man.
She's voiced by the Brooklyn 99 chick
>Alastor is so wanked and hyped that being told no one really cares where he was during his 7 year disappearance is somehow considered an L
How can Alastor disappear if they exist in a city they literally cannot ever leave?
Are they restricted to only roaming the city? The Pride ring should be big enough to disappear, especially since ALL sinners are supposed to end there.
They can go to other parts of Pride like Imp City
How does IMP get the clients into their office then?
IMP is located in Imp City which Sinners can go to
they shouldnt its a plot hole
It's not, Imp City is in Pride so Sinners can go to it
Its just more to show that he isn't considered THAT hot shit. The other top overlords didn't give a frick about his absence/reappearance with only Vox caring due to his personal salty rivalry. That and it was funny showing that the egg boys could get under his skin
> husk calls someone whos being raped a whiny b***h
pure fricking kino
Of course, if you are a man and get raped you are a b***h and deserve it.
My name? Vivienne.
Now I want him to use his Arbiter voice and say that exact lines
I think Camilla has some kind of deal with either Adam or some other angel. She's probably the one who supplied the blessed bullet rifle that Stryker was gonna use to assassinate Stolas with. Hard to think of how else she'd get a heaven affiliated set of ammo like that. "Holy bullets" don't really seem like something you could make in Hell.
Supposedly she gets all her weapons through scavenging what the angels leave behind after exterminations, but that sounds kind of flimsy.
Just realized why Nifty isn’t yellow anymore
How did Alastor get his hands on a deer in hell of all places?
That is a serious question, there are literally no animals in Hell, what the actual frick
probably can traverse between hell and the mortal realm somehow given that he took up the mantle of villain making deals with people
We finally got a good song with the Velvette v Carmine thing , but I'm still not pleased with how little rhyming or alliteration there is. Most of the songs are just people talking.
How the frick the snake and the eggs grown on me?
goddamn, why do both of her shows only use the colors red and pink. losing zoophobia was a mistake
You have a point theres so much fricking red in every scene holy shit
Viv is so edgy she transcends the usual edgy black and red color scheme and goes right to red and more red.
Watch more than screenshots
The best part of the show is when Charlie and the Hotel are completely irrelevant if I'm being honest.
Amazing how much Viv fricked up.
The political stuff has barely been touched on but I care more about that plot line than Charlie's and Angel's trauma dumping bs
Your post made me realize that the first four episodes were honestly kind of meandering in hindsight, and that the last episode with Angel Dust was technicality filler so now we need to wait another week to get somewhere interesting. I just really want to see Heaven and all the angels already
Why did they give vaggie such big hips?
Her sexy walk during the team building exercise uwu
>uwu
You are FEMALE or GAY.
>Only girls can want to frick Vaggie
Confirmed gay
He meant the emoticon, now post breasts or gtfo
Don't know, but sure i ain't complaining
Didn't really care for Vaggie at first, but her singing voice is unironically pretty.
Viv seems really fixated on hispanic people. That's three characters with dollar store mexican spanglish now.
Where are my French or German demons?
French and Germans all go to Heaven, only mulatto Black folk go to Hell.
>German demons
everyone is on vacation, d'uh
Imagine if Viv makes an IronMouse reference and gets ignored.
Viv doesn’t follow Ironmouse on Twitter though
>*Viv smells the Catholicism and implications that Hell is an awful and lonely place from the Latina.*
>*Viv runs away screaming.*
Reminder that Pentious is going to die in the finale to save Cherri.
*Niffty
Ironically I think Cherri is gonna be the first character to actually die. She seems like the type of throwaway for story progession.
Why does the devil look so lame in this series? Fricking Lillith looks cooler than him.
Small guy being strong trope I guess. That or Viv just hates men having power/looking cool.
If that was true Helluva boss would actually have decent female characters
Luci being a blonde pretty boy is a common way to draw him
Because males aren't the target audience
Anon please the fujo lame design is peak woman
what do people here think about the musicals?
I honestly skip through them, they keep ambushing me when I'm story focused, holy shit
I've only sort of liked two songs, and both were in episode 3
I can't decide whether people being self aware about the singing going on is cringe or charming.
I think it's cringe because they decided to embrace musicals as if they were good, only normies enjoy it
but I must admit Alastor vs Vox was great
Vox voice is an absolute bop.
He is everything people thought Val was gonna be.
>I've only sort of liked two songs, and both were in episode 3
You are not serious, those were the worst ones.
I mean maybe it's just a matter of personal taste. Velvet and Carmine had a rough start but the rhythm caught on after they started actually singing.
I did forget Vox and Alastor which was also pretty good. I'm just not fond of the way the music works in general. They seem less like real songs and more exposition with background noise.
That's why the catchy ones with a nice beat like Vox and Alastor and Loser, Baby are the only ones I actually liked.
Loser Baby, Hell is Forever, Vox vs. Alastor and Poison are the ones that stand out. Everything else is forgettable or bad. Carmilla's were both really bad.
Say what you will but knife mommy is honestly very pretty in terms of her design.
She is pretty and has a good voice, I just think her songs weren't good.
I liked "hell is forever", the Adam musical. The others are kinda cringe and they keep jumpscaring me while I'm invested in the story.
Adam is probably the best-designed character in this entire series.
He's a CHAD
His and Charlie's song-off is literally the basedjak vs. chad meme
>umm actually could you listen about my proposal
>cope and seethe, see you in 6 months
I'm one of those guys who, when there is a musical episode of a non-musical series, and everyone hates it expect me. So I like the musical bits. There are some cringe notes, but I think it's good overall.
I would be less interested in Hazbin Hotel if it wasn't a musical. The people that complained about it always confused me since even the pilot was very upfront about being a musical. This show fills the current musical shaped hole in my heart very well, like Centaurworld did back when that dropped.
I get it, but 2 musicals per episode? come on man, it could be at least 1 per one or two eps, it would've made them more unique
Personally don't like them. Awkward lyrics. Vaggie's VA either lacks range or phoned it in completely.
Honestly so far most of the songs from the male characters (Poison, Stayed Gone, Adam's song, Loser Baby) have been great while the ones voiced by female characters have been more meh
>be me
>be a dyke
>never liked furries or twinks
>haven't watched any animated series in ages and thought I was cured of waifuism
>want to frick angel dust
He's so cute and loose and pathetic and perfect 🙁 I hate vivzie for making him into my new guilty pleasure
>Female fetishizing twinks and gays
Classic, lucky for you HB and HH have a lot of that.
Men are gross, and I've never had an affinity for any other gay or twinkish characters
But angel dust is no man, and he is something beyond the typical yaoigay self insert twink
I just want him to dress up in a cute little lingerie set for me just so I can do some blow off of his not boobs and maybe tie him up and wreck his well used spider bussy a little, or until he cries
I think it's the combination of sass and vulnerability, and his girly voice and mannerisms
Angel Dust literally has a male walking cycle
Anon she wasn't being literal. Are you autistic?
How could you confuse him for a girl? That poster said she likes licking pussy so im confused
lesbians, anon
>she
There are no females here, only males on troony meds.
Signs of autism: Not being able to get sarcasm. Just saying.
I'm sure anon was being very sarcastic in his posts, totally.
He doesn't walk he struts, like a hooker
And he dances like a queen
>That shoulder to hip ratio
Kek, he IS a man.
Just because he has a tiny loose pair of hips and ass doesn't make him any less feminine or frickable
How do you become heavens biggest pornstar with so little ass?
they put a fake ass on him didnt you watch the show
When?
Disgusting queer.
Well they don't call it Cinemaphileunblr for nothing
So I watched the first 4 episodes, and why is barely anyone listening to Charlie? She is the princess of hell after all.
She needs to assert dominance, these are complete jerks who only respond to pain or blackmail.
Viv said in Hell people respect raw displays of strength rather than strictly adhering to the hierarchy. Charlie's a wuss so nobody respects her.
And Lucifer is a wuss too apparently.
Sinners don't put the royalty in high regard and mostly heed Lucifer out of fear of his power instead of actual respect.
If Charlie wants more people to listen to her she'll have to display the full extent of her powers.
I think you're gonna have to kill this guy as a display of dominance, Charlie.
>If Charlie wants more people to listen to her she'll have to display the full extent of her powers
This. Charlie needs to snap an Overlord's neck or something on live tv. That would go a long ways towards helping her cause. Pretty clear they won't respect her otherwise.
I think someone on the crew hinted that she was going to beat the shit out of Val at one point
What happens after you beat the shit out of an overlord? Aren't they all immortal and only killable by blessed weapons? Wouldn't that be a bit akward to just see him alive and well the next episode?
they poopoo peepee their pants
>What happens after you beat the shit out of an overlord?
She makes him her b***h. He'd probably initially keep his status, because for Charlie it'd be about sending a message to the rest of Pride/Hell to not frick with her.
>what happens when you break some guy's legs mafia style on front of his family? Won't that be awkward at the next Sit Down?
So is this show head for disaster?
>Good shippins like Alastor x Charlie got down the drain for "generic lesbian couple #21323424334543"
characters introduced, 0 proper backstory or screen time given to them
>Characters acting like morons just for the sake of it. One thing is being naive and other is being stupid like current Charlie is
>2 songs every EPISODE, proper characterization? frick that, let's just sing another ear bleeding shitty song!!!
Is the fandom going to survive this 1st season? Literally the best parts are the design. Some of these are pure sexo but we're stuck with boring characters all over the place.
Maybe indie animation should stay indie, just a thought.
doubt Bezos come and told them to introduce all those changes to the story. More like it all went to their heads.
>Shifting blame from the literal Anti-Christ
Won't fall for that one today, Satan.
Not Bezos, but A24 definitely did
>A24
could be, who are these guys anyway?
Newest pseuds to hit the scene, but I agree with
that HH is too amateur for them to be involved. They have a hard-on for arthouse, Cannes-style storytelling.
A24 didn't do shit lol this show has Viv's amateur hands all over it.
>Dinosaur girl from Episode 3 already has fan art
Nice
She already had some little bit of fanarts from back in the days of the pilot
Wait what, she was in the pilot?
She was probably in the overlord group shot
Yep, she's behind Vox.
>COWARD BULLY CAD AND THIEF
Charlie needs to become a 2010 Linkin Park in the End AMV video.
Frick me, I was ready to mock the show but I actually like it.
Why is the animation so much more stiff compared to the pilot and helluva boss, did the budget go to the new VAs?
because they pay their animators 10 cents a frame
more money means more frames, more frames mean slower animation
indie is better for a reason
I still don’t get how the frick did they manage to get Keith David in this, like how did that pitch even go.
> “Hey Keith, I’ve got a role for you! How’d you like to voice a gay drunk winged cat in hell in this cartoon?”
> “Damn right I would! The role of a lifetime!”
Money is money I guess.
He apparently volunteered
The dialogue in this is some of the worst shit, reads like a deviant art girl's fan fiction. The general lack of animosity from most of these demons, coupled with the fact that the angels talk and act exactly like them, kinda kills the entire point of having this set in Hell. These could have all been humans on Earth and it wouldn't have changed anything with the plot aside from the marketable aesthetics (which they half ass anyway). Zestial is straight up something that a 10 year-old would draw.
Charlie is also starting to grate a bit. I actually had high hopes that her meeting Valentino was going to be a snapping point where she realizes that she can't change anything or anyone by being a giant, crying vegana. Instead she just kinda wanders off into the sunset to leave Angel to an all-night gang rape, and then apologizes for "breaking his boundaries," when he gets back. It's either going to drag on for 48 episodes, end with a cliff hangar, or just end with everything magically working out in spite of the main character's desperate attempts to wiener it all up because writing is hard. Frick's sake, she's got 1 new resident at the hotel in spite of Alastor being a "deal with the devil," trope, and he was supposed to be a fricking spy.
I agree the angels should speak more eloquently not like garbage from California.
>Zestial is straight up something that a 10 year-old would draw.
Let's not go that far. Designs are one of the more decent parts of the show. They don't represent a problem. But the characters don't leave up to what they should be. You're completely spot on when you say that angels and demons act exactly the same, what is the reason for them to be two different races, factions or whatever? Insults, sex and shit everywhere. Not even a slight, minuscule contrast beside some colours here and there.
>Verification not required
>Designs are one of the more decent parts of the show.
Alastor's design had kids cosplaying him for like 5 years without so much as a release date. It's a pretty far cry from pic related, though.
This guy looks like a Billy and Mandy villain
It really does, though.
I guess I can forgive it, given her work with Richard Horvitz.
saw a clip with him in it. great VA and seems actually interesting and intimidating, but then in comes a shitty song and I noped out.
Also the downside to this is how he's like the 6th character with the same aesthetic as 3 other characters. Top hat, suit, bow tie, many legs.
I think the most aggravating part about Charlie is how she just calls the sinners people who made some mistakes, as if she hadn’t just sung/danced through streets of literal depravity of murder and cannibalism and torture.
Like theoretically if her plan even worked and a ruthless murderer finds redemption and ascends to heaven…what the frick are their victims who are in heaven supposed to think, seeing the person who brutally killed them not being punished forever in hell?
Charlie is just so hopefully naive it’s honestly hard to watch.
>what the frick are their victims who are in heaven supposed to think, seeing the person who brutally killed them not being punished forever in hell?
If they repented and were redeemed on Earth it'd be the same story. Is it fair? I dunno, that's just how it works. The biggest thing is Charlie is going against how it's supposed to work, where people who have already been judged at death are given another opportunity. Hell is supposed to be forever, per the song.
Why do so many gays have a golden tooth? Leave a unique feature to Angel.
That's a perfect crop.
I'll take this over the weirdos saying she's a pedo or that she glorifies rape
uploaded a clip from the japanese dub if anyone is interested
the voice cast is apparently different from the pilot's here as well, though I guess that was to be expected
Pretty cool, Angel having a deeper voice here is a interesting choice. I'd love to see how everyone else sounds If you have the time to share more clips
A lot of sexual diversity with a million homosexual ships, but zero diversity in character personalities, objectives, and dialogues. They all talk and act the same.
Evergreen:
>Boomers on Facebook losing their minds over the Adam and Eve subversion
Feels good to be back in 1982.
>the single best animation era
God I wish we'd stay stuck there.
Nah b***h. This is back to daddy Abraham’s house.
So what do the overlords do exactly?
Employ people
I still haven't found a good reason to spare Hell folk
Me neither, ALL DEMONS DESERVE DEATH
Gigabased
Charlie needs to get her shit slapped
>tiny ass city that you can see one end while standing at the opposite end
>Expects me to believe billions live in it
If the show was actually episodic the Hotel stuff would be more interesting but since there's an actual plot the side shit is more interesting
>So elders my man my boys whats the situation
>Be quiet human
>But...But Im an angel now
>Silence, it appears as though hell in its current state is rather inefficient
>Yh I know total dump
>We have plans to change it into something better
>What? Oh dont tell me what Luciferspawn got to you too?
>How dare you even hint that we could be under Lucifers influence because we are not we are absolutely not under Lucifers influence
>Why are you looking around the place?
>Call in the guy
>The guy?
>Hello Adam how it going its me the guy
>Oh you
>Yes me my brilliant idea will make Hell a much better place
>Alright Im all ears
>We dont have ears you idiot we made of energy
>Can it with the nerd shit
>The complaints by the abomination have made me think perhaps the extermination protocol is very stupid after all they are immortal souls its so wasteful to just end them
>So what we just let them be there and dont kill them?
>No no no come with me Adam you moron
>Wait whats happening
>Are we in outer space?
>Yes outer space in the physical universe look over there
>Its a star
>Yes a star a large mass of superheated plasma
>Um ok? Its nice gas I guess
>Imagine something like that floating in the sky of hell
>Would be pretty I guess
>And every single sinnner is inside of it being roasted and burned alive for the rest of forever
>Whoa holy shit dud thats fricking crazy thats your idea
>Yes thats my idea we will use the miasma in hell's outside to create a sphere of superheated miasma that will draw in sinners like a black hole draws in matter with in only hours every sinner in the pride ring would be sucked into it and subjected to eternal burning forever
>Wow
>Therres no need for an extermination protocol if we move the sinners somwhere and still have them to suffer forever
>I like it 10/10 honestly it was getting boring killing sinners you know Ive done it like one million times
>Yes this will be a great thing
This show is turning out to be a hit in Japan. Half of all the QRTs on the official Twitter page's tweets I see are in Japanese. I imagine it's because it's so different from anything Japan is putting out right now.
Japan does love their skinny, grinning twinks and f/f couples
All it lacks is some futa, then it'll be the perfect show for japs.
That's what Sallie Mae is for
I dont care about Angel Dust or Husk I wanna see pieces of shit fail to be rehabilitated, also Vaggie needs to tell Charlie these are fricking adults not children.
Charlies going to have a mental breakdown and start being more assertive cause thats the character arc of half of these kinda plots of someone trying to rehabilitate a shitty person
Depending on what you read even thats debatable. His only feats are messing around with the fermented sky/fake stars and getting horrifically bodied by michael. Meaning basically almost every video game, movie, tv show, comic manga whatevers Devil is stronger then what most consider the actual one including Vivzies manlet twink version
>Michael
A fricking archangel just like him
>A fricking archangel just like him
And he's eternally buttblasted about that, moron thought himself to be higher than God.
Man if only Velvet kicked the decapitated exorcist head to where that that ancient spider lord was sitting when she said "Oh I get it, so grandpa is too PUSSY to fight so I guess there's no point, right?" for an additional show of extravagance it would have been KINO!