>I mean technically demons are angles
Not really. The Hazbin cosmology is a bit weird.
ALL denizens are angels or demons. So in that sense you are right that they're the same thing. However angels/demons (immortal souls) have their own rules when compared to angels/demons (realm-born). >that's not her demon form that's her fallen angel form
Nah hellborn are functionally separate to heavenborn. Lucifer didn't suddenly grow horns. He's still an honest to goodness Seraphim. You would be absolutely right if you were talking about immortal souls - because we've seen their mutations are exactly the same in heaven/hell with only slight regional differences, e.g Angel Dust is the 'hell version' of Molly.
Heaven-born and Hell-born have inherent power structures and species with their own powersets. Seraphim aren't just angels who have power over other angels, they are Seraphim. It's not a role or a stage - it's an immutable trait.
Whatever the frick Charlie is, is whatever the frick Charlie is. Granted she might look a little different after living in heaven for a long time just as Luci has sharp chompers but she's not going to suddenly digivolve into a virtue
She's not an angel, or a mortal, she's the daughter of a fallen angel and a mortal. In Judeo-Christian aprocyphal works the children of fallen angels and mortal women are called Nephilim, and were "Giants" which the fact that Charlie is really tall is perhaps a very subtle nod at that concept. The biblical Goliath was believed to be a Nephilim or descended from them. Problem is that in the apocryphal works, the whole reason God did the whole flood thing was to wipe out the nephilim. So things get fricky on that subject.
She was made from the same clay as adam and in many different apocryphal text is mentioned to have died. She eloped with the angel Sammāʾēl which is likely where Viv formed the whole concept of her eloping with Lucy
>charlie with a black dude >is depicted as fat
R E A L I S M
How are they going to defeat Adam whithout asspulls?
have Lucifer fight him?
They aren't. Emily is going to throw a wrench in the works and they'll go back to a cold war with some other less direct ways of fricking with each other - that or total war because Alastor agro'd the Overlords
>98% of new Lute fanarts are all going to be with her new bland human looking face from now on
I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE
>tfw connoisseur of both because it's the woman under the mask, her personality, not just her looks >hot as frick tho
Don't get me wrong i still like her, it's just that she was more enigmatic and interesting before with the idea of that being her actual face imo, and it saddens me how everyone is gonna be drooling over her new looks more now, that's just not the Lute i fell in love with
You might as well put a paper bag over her head if you prefer the mask, sure it's cool but it wears off quick. I want to see her raw emotions when she getting the dick than the same 1-3 LED faces.
I need to see an increasingly frustrated and desperate Lute trying to get Adam to frick her brains out.
>I want to see her raw emotions when she's getting the dick
I feel like Lute is the kind of gal to try and be as restrained as humanly possible until she can't anymore. >tfw you will never give it to her so good she actually moans out loud instead of grunts
4 months ago
Anonymous
Consultation prize, I've got a Lute that's trying to hide she's not into it
Don't get me wrong I only jumped on the wagon after seeing her face. She was just an exterminator before. However, the added characterization she got, and lines in a song -- harmonization! Really attracted my interest. Mystery and guile is all fine and dandy, but intelligence that we can see, a melodious singing voice, and monochrome goth gf just sells a character for me.
>Only became a Lute fan after the face reveal
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHAME ON YOU, REAL LUTE FANS LOVED HER SINCE THE REVEAL
Nah that's a completely valid opinion to have, it's just what i think, and i guess i'm kinda jealeous and bitter for how MaskedLute bros like me are gonna end up getting the short end of the stick
4 months ago
Anonymous
If it makes you feel any better you at least have hipster status and can say you liked her before she was cool
4 months ago
Anonymous
SHE WAS ALWAYS COOL!
Normalhomosexuals were just too blind to appreciate her beauty...
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry, hipsteranon, I don't make the rules. She was always cool in a "smart minion, dumb villain" way with how she cut directly to Charlie's core in a few sentences; and fist bumping. Now we have smart, sexy, monochrome goth gf. She even puts her mask back on when she's feeling particularly pissed off. More Lute = more love for Lute
4 months ago
Anonymous
Well they sure didn't have to necessary do the whole maskless thing too! that's all i'm saying...
4 months ago
Anonymous
You're right, they didn't have to; but I'm grateful they did
4 months ago
Anonymous
I want her to sit on my face tbh
4 months ago
Anonymous
Well agree to disagree then...
4 months ago
Anonymous
We might have to. Appreciate your masked minion, Anon, she deserves your love.
>Only became a Lute fan after the face reveal
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHAME ON YOU, REAL LUTE FANS LOVED HER SINCE THE REVEAL
Nah that's a completely valid opinion to have, it's just what i think, and i guess i'm kinda jealeous and bitter for how MaskedLute bros like me are gonna end up getting the short end of the stick
thesis: murder mask better
antithesis: maskless goth better
synthesis: the revealed hotties make the mask more interesting. talk about hiding the beauty within
4 months ago
Anonymous
Thesis: all the colors of the rainbow, asymmetry, furry, gay, and unconventional nonsense is fun
Antithesis: black and white, symmetry, human, straight, and seriousness is fun
Synthesis: in a wonderland of wacky zany crazy characters that have all the colors and wild features, the best character is the monochrome goth gf. Talk about not being an eyesore
>"Look at them fighting, they're at each other's throats!" >Not even in Heaven for 24 hours and she brings major internal conflict to an essentially conflict-free society >Also shatters Emily's innocence >Her first reaction to all this is to gloat about it with an evil grin
Yep, she belongs in Hell.
She came there to ask for Redemption of Sinners only to discover that Extermination is a big fricking secret revealed because Adam could not stop himself from running his mouth because he is sadistic.
Of course she is happy that the Angels feels conflicted about the whole thing. That means they are more likely to stop Extermination
>she is happy that the Angels feels conflicted about the whole thing. That means they are more likely to stop Extermination
There is another heavenly resident like this.
>she is happy that the Angels feels conflicted about the whole thing. That means they are more likely to stop Extermination
There is another heavenly resident like this.
>The Council elects to throw Adam, Lute, all the Exorcists, and every angel that supports them to Hell >They decide to continue the Extermination >Adam and Lute and most Exorcists are killed >Remaining angels surrender >Show becomes about fallen angels trying to get rehabilited to get back to Heaven
Could this work?
Why not? I honestly feel like that's where things are going, I doubt Heaven is going to let Adam & co. stay after such a major breach of conduct. I think at least one angel will end up at Hazbin Hotel.
It may be breach of conduct but heaven still needs to keep hell at bay, so until they rule out they don't actually need to defend themselves from hell they won't, Adam is their army, they have a sinner do the killing because benevolent angels don't have it in them
4 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, Adam makes this face:
>she is happy that the Angels feels conflicted about the whole thing. That means they are more likely to stop Extermination
There is another heavenly resident like this.
He hardly has the will to continue on with the raids without some sort of extreme coping mechanisms.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>heaven still needs to keep hell at bay
There's no indication of that. Sinners can't even leave the Pride Ring, and I don't think we've seen evidence that Hell has an organized army, have we? Most of the angels weren't aware of the Extermination plan so it doesn't seem as if they were concerned about being invaded or anything. It was just Adam and Sera's thing.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>It was just Adam and Sera's thing.
How would that disprove that heaven fears an uprising
It's also a natural conflict setting, heaven's citizens find out that they've been lied to by Sera, and Sera could exile Adam for cinematics and to keep her good impression
I don't see a reason why they'd tolerate Adam otherwise if they don't need him
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t think so. Adam and Sera are opposites in that Adam doesn’t like the Hell-Extermination issues at all and hides it behind his mask while Sera is a people pleasing faker who looked at Adam’s children with a sadistic glee and fire in her eyes. Adam is likely going to be dropped out of the ranks by Sera because he halted the extermination, sticking to the man.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Adam is likely going to be dropped out of the ranks by Sera because he halted the extermination, sticking to the man.
I hate these threads so much because the speculation will always produce better results than what really happens
An Adam arc where it ends with him sticking it to the man would've been so damn kino
4 months ago
Anonymous
Nice woobification of Adam but it would come out of nowhere
>Implying you wouldn't frick her if she she took you into a sex room
If there's an Angel they have to redeem, it has to be Adam. The whole point the show is trying to make is that no one is too far gone for redemption, so redeeming the dick(master) creates a much larger impact than redeeming a rando.
Why not? I honestly feel like that's where things are going, I doubt Heaven is going to let Adam & co. stay after such a major breach of conduct. I think at least one angel will end up at Hazbin Hotel.
Adam is definitely going to die. If an angel gets redeemed after being condemned it's going to be Sera or Lute. Sera will definitely fall for supporting the exterminations at the end of the season
Why not? I honestly feel like that's where things are going, I doubt Heaven is going to let Adam & co. stay after such a major breach of conduct. I think at least one angel will end up at Hazbin Hotel.
normally i'm meh on redeption arcs but that's a very good point. redeeming him would make sense with the show's themes.
Adam is definitely going to die. If an angel gets redeemed after being condemned it's going to be Sera or Lute. Sera will definitely fall for supporting the exterminations at the end of the season
You guys put way too much faith in this show. Especially when leaks have already confirmed who's gonna be offed in the next episodes.
> Especially when leaks have already confirmed who's gonna be offed in the next episodes.
The antagonist is obviously Vox. And it’s been built up that Sir Pentious and Vox would have a serious encounter like Angel and Val do, which ends with Sir Pentious literally killing himself in the best possible way that pisses off Vox and leads to his great defeat.
4 months ago
Anonymous
lmao no, sorry. Pentious gets killed trying to protect either Cherri or Nifty, I forgot which. Nifty then kills Adam by stabbing him to death. His death is treated as a joke and everyone ignores him.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Where are the leaks? I keep hearing this but with no source
4 months ago
Anonymous
If was by an anon I think a year ago that talked about the show and leaked Vaggie’s backstory.
I am honestly starting to think he was a staff member trying to shill the show, since he tries to heavily stress on how much he “doesn’t care about it” while carefully wording it out to expose the names of Vaggie, Lucifer, Nifty, Sir Pentious and their roles/relevance in the finale, while literally calling the antagonist that gets killed off the “antagonist” with no other details about him whatsoever.
It’s really really sus in hindsight.
4 months ago
Anonymous
vaggie backstory is not much of a guess, people were reasoning it since the pilot released.
4 months ago
Anonymous
But when does it mention Pentious sacrificing himself for Cherri? Also the antagonist could be Adam
4 months ago
Anonymous
Adam is literally too strong for a mere demon to kill with multiple stab wounds and it would shock everyone if Nifty could do that to one of Heaven’s strongest solders. They were shocked when an overlord killed a messily low ranking exorcist.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Nifty and other demons are literally too weak to kill an exorcist, whom was killed by another angel. Adam is the final boss of them. So that should clue you in that the antagonist is much weaker than Adam for Nifty to reasonably kill him.
the arms dealer woman could be combined with some other character i feel
[...] >Adam doesn’t like the Hell-Extermination issues at all and hides it behind his mask
i don't dislike adam, but i'm not sure where you're getting this characterisation of him from.
Episode 1. He almost lost the act mid-way in discussing about how much hell sucks.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Nifty and other demons are literally too weak to kill an exorcist, whom was killed by another angel. Adam is the final boss of them. So that should clue you in that the antagonist is much weaker than Adam for Nifty to reasonably kill him.
Dude you're acting like Viv cares about consistency in worldbuilding. She would absolutely kill Adam off for that kind of joke.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Pentious dies and isn't mourned by the characters
If this is true Viv is genuinely fricking moronic.
>An Adam arc where it ends with him sticking it to the man would've been so damn kino
There’s very little screen time, so Vivziepop has to make each scene with him counts by hiding the details in plain sight or in the background. Like this looks like a silly gag on Adam “excusing himself to heaven”, until it’s revealed that he indeed has these traits that allowed him to be in Heaven.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Why the frick should Adam know what it takes to get into heaven? He lived hundreds of years teaching his children and children's children about god and died before the discovery of caffeine, what the frick would Adam know about the modern world?
Do you think Viv could add a scene where we see Valentino doing this ‘waterboarding’ stuff Angel mentioned to him?, As someone who cares about SA survivors I find it important that media shows every aspect of abuse their subject to, not just explicitly sexual scenarios
Lute is Adam’s third wife that is an angel this time. And he badly needs her.
Just look at him when the fun and games are drained and he actually has to think about Hell and losing Eve for a second.
So we're pretty sure that Alastor was brought back by Lilith, right? What's the endgame? To watch Charlie? Protect her?
Radicalize her against heaven to start a war?
the arms dealer woman could be combined with some other character i feel
I don’t think so. Adam and Sera are opposites in that Adam doesn’t like the Hell-Extermination issues at all and hides it behind his mask while Sera is a people pleasing faker who looked at Adam’s children with a sadistic glee and fire in her eyes. Adam is likely going to be dropped out of the ranks by Sera because he halted the extermination, sticking to the man.
>Adam doesn’t like the Hell-Extermination issues at all and hides it behind his mask
i don't dislike adam, but i'm not sure where you're getting this characterisation of him from.
I wouldn't cut anyone, but I would double the amount of episodes. We're moving at a breakneck pace and don't get any time to allow the characters we have to grow and develop over a natural course of time. Cutting a character wouldn't solve that problem, but creating more time and space would
i agree. the pacing is so fast, we have emily sayng 'i can't believe i looked up to you' to sera. which should be a big moment but it bascially happens in the episode she's introduced so no impact.
i think it's probably to the show's credit that one of its worst problems is that there isn't enough of it.
Delete Zestial, it's just Carmilla now, she's the oldest
Merge the Vs into Vox, or at least delete Velvette
And as sad as I am to say...cut Hell's great Dad since it added nothing new to the episode (they were already doing a "Lucifer and Alastor hate each other and Lucifer thinks he's being replaced by Alastor" gag)
Mimzi
I don't think anyone should be cut out, but rather more episodes, the pacing is more coherent than Helluva, but its really fast.
I guess she knows why they're in Hell to begin with (We know Angel was in the mafia but we don't know what the Hell Pentious' deal is) but the rules for entering Heaven are revealed to be extremely vague and probably arbitrary.
This Heaven shit should have been season 2, have season 1 focus on stuff like the Vees that aren't that important in the grand scheme of things but serve as a vehicle for character development, then the season finale has Charlie meeting with Adam and him revealing that the Extermination is going to be moved up as the big dramatic cliffhanger to conclude the season.
pretty much this, they got to heaven too soon, and Angeldust's change happened too soon imo.
>pretty much this, they got to heaven too soon, and Angeldust's change happened too soon imo.
The worst part of Angel's change is that it happens offscreen. Loser Baby is about him admitting he has a problem which is a good first step, but then the series jumps ahead 5 months and he's now gone clean and is a nicer person, they completely skipped over the enter middle section of his character arc of him actually overcoming some of his problems.
It sucks because for the most part the actual story and character beats are perfectly fine, but very rarely do they feel earned because we're dealing with season 2 material in the first season. These big emotional songs don't work when we've known characters like Carmilla, Emily, and Sera for all of five minutes.
Show don't tell is a bit of a meme, because you definitely don't need to show everything and having some minor offscreen character development is perfectly fine, the issue is how we're constantly skipping over these big arcs and also not getting enough background details.
Like where the frick did Pentious' crush on Cherri come from and how long has this been a thing? You think that would be a big focus point since the leaks indicate he straight up sacrifices his (after)life to save her so this isn't some minor element of his character, it straight up leads to him doing the most selfless thing a person could possibly do for someone. Now maybe we're going to get some details on it since one of the big songs we haven't heard yet is titled 'Out For Love', but I think it's much more likely that's the Vaggie and Charlie makeup song.
I'm suspecting the rushed pacing is because trying to squeeze way too much into one episode. We don't know shit what amazon wants either.
For all of this to happen naturally you would need 12 eps a minimum per season, with everyone having their mini-arcs too. The only positive change with Angeldust is that he's not offensively insufferable up to the point where I hate the character. Also he's just one person, there should have been more characters who are not hotel's employee's. The latest Pentious stuff was good too but its very bare bones.
Streaming services are autistic about not wanting 10 or more episodes per season, but if Hazbin instead had 30 minute episodes instead of 22 minute ones that would have given us an extra 3 episodes worth of material we could explore.
Mimzy was just there to do Alastor's backstory real quick, and let him flex on the loan sharks, I guess so we have a rough understanding of his power before I assume he fights the exterminators. Not a terrible role for basically a one off character.
Carmilla because right now her being the one who killed the angel is completely pointless. Make it Vaggie, or maybe in a bigger twist, Charlie. Have Velvette find the head and bring it up to the other Vees while Alastor spies on them.
Things Lucifer can do to fix stuff if Charlie asked him: >Break Angel's contract. >Break Husk's contract. >Be there in Hotel when Adam attacks so none of the residents die and Adam's threat is just that.
is anyone even afraid of lucifer? i'm not sure how much authority he actually has.
Are you moronic? Sera was shitting herself over him getting involved. No one is afraid of him in hell because he doesn't give a frick about hell. A gun is just an unwieldy block of metal until someone pulls the trigger.
If Adam does attack the Hotel and Lucifer knows it's happening then he's straight up dead.
>If Adam does attack the Hotel and Lucifer knows it's happening then he's straight up dead.
Nah. Adam and Lucifer are reflections in this show. I except Lucifer to take Lute, since that is the perfect way for Lucifer to ward Adam off from Charlie’s hotel.
>Adam and Lucifer are reflections in this show
No, they aren't. Lucifer and Sera are. >both seraphim >both the leaders of their realm >both raising annoying idealistic protoges >both jaded as frick with the status quo and out of patience
Adam plays of Charlie just like Emily does. Fricking hell.
Yeah Adam is pretty much a moron for openly taunting Charlie. Fricking with her is like the one thing that would get Lucifer to delete you from existence permanently
The other angels are stronger than him together in Heaven but the way I'm reading it is that he is basically like God in Hell. He's not even the king in the traditional since he doesn't do anything but this sort of eldritch cosmic force that has existed since the dawn of time that happens to live there.
I don’t see them sending over Adam to hell if they didn’t think he was as capable as Lucifer.
>Nifty and other demons are literally too weak to kill an exorcist, whom was killed by another angel. Adam is the final boss of them. So that should clue you in that the antagonist is much weaker than Adam for Nifty to reasonably kill him.
Dude you're acting like Viv cares about consistency in worldbuilding. She would absolutely kill Adam off for that kind of joke.
Adam feels too serious for the joke because he genuinely does care about hell and its horrible implications on his life.
I see it more like it didn’t work out, but he only truly hated Lilith when she took Eve away. Oddly enough, Adam seems fine with Lucifer and references his talents in episode 1 while Charlie progressively gets on his nerves by constantly antagonizing him (to the point of saying that Adam doesn’t deserve to be in heaven in episode 6, which is too personally mean) and not listening to his warnings (when he literally has never seen a redeemed sinner in his entire life like her father has). He and Lucifer have similar cynical views on hell and are implied to have a decent relationship.
4 months ago
Anonymous
charlie was given the pass to talk to adam by lucifer, which implies that adam and lucifer usually have the heaven embassy talks.
>He's literally Lucifer. The Fallen Angel. The original bad boy. He's not going to care about Rules Lawyering
Maybe in bible lore. This Lucifer is clearly a giga cuck who lets Alastor push him around.
Plus we don't actually know how strong Adam is. And he's got direct beef with Lucifer too.
lucifer is less weak and more severely depressed, he just needs a good reason to unleash Angelic Power
They specifically talked with Lucifer about the exterminations. That's why they don't attack hellborns, he told them not to. There is 0 chance Adam is as strong as Lucifer. Literally 0%
Still seems really dumb. The smart thing to do would be to do almost anything to prevent Lucifer and Charlie from becoming more involved. That was Sera's plan.
He's literally Lucifer. The Fallen Angel. The original bad boy. He's not going to care about Rules Lawyering
>He's literally Lucifer. The Fallen Angel. The original bad boy. He's not going to care about Rules Lawyering
Maybe in bible lore. This Lucifer is clearly a giga cuck who lets Alastor push him around.
Plus we don't actually know how strong Adam is. And he's got direct beef with Lucifer too.
4 months ago
Anonymous
He is kinda a cuck but to be fair he doesn't want to upset Charlie. I guess when you're been stuck in Hell after failing to remake the universe for thousands of years you just don't really give a shit about stuff like overlords.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Maybe in bible lore
He's a literal fricking Seraph you gigaBlack person. The same type of angel Adam shits himself over and is completely and utterly subservient to.
From what we've seen in Hazbin Seraphs are the top of heaven. The cream. There are three. Luci, Sera and Emily. Emily didn't introduce herself as "another seraphim" she said THE other seraphim. Two in heaven, one in hell.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>The same type of angel Adam shits himself over and is completely and utterly subservient to.
You're thinking too much in anime terms, anon. At no point is it stated Adam is afraid of Sera cause she could beat him up, but because she's the goddamn ruler of heaven. You think people are afraid of a queen's wrath cause of her power to personally hand them their asses? Maybe in chess.
He even calls her his manager.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>you're thinking too much in anime terms >he says in a series where sinners become occult monsters and rule over other sinners with spooky powers
Get fricked you disingenuous moron. Adam is a jobber. Move on.
4 months ago
Anonymous
There’s many seraphs, but there is only one golden winged Adam.
Who literally can manipulate and touch reality under a hologram.
%3D%3D
4 months ago
Anonymous
>gold wings
NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN >whoah holograms and reality manipulation
That's basic b***h Alastor shit. God I hate you so much.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You legit try to make Lucifer look like the most powerful thing ever when we never seen Adam and him fight once.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Be it canon, lore or scripture the 'enemy' is powerful. Lucifer in canon and lore specifically is basically meant to be at the tippy top of the divine order which is why he thought he could 'show initiative' in the heavenly workplace and instead got dressed down and fired. >dude >adam >lmao
Yeah and if we go purely by show rules the tippy top of heaven is Seraphs and he's STILL a seraph and he's still "angelically powerful". I don't see how you don't get this dynamic. You don't frick reality up bad enough to get trapped in a hellscape if you're a grunt who cannot affect change. You just get erased. You don't have the boss of heaven explicitly telling her subordinates to keep you the frick out of it either.
If you aren't underaged you need to let your handler know you need less screen-time.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, Lucifer isn't a Seraphim, he's an archangel kicked out of the seven holy angels. We even see their silhouettes.
Scripture>Canon>Lore, admittedly. But if Hazbin was based on scripture the premise could not exist. There is no after life, only the resurrected being taken to the New Kingdom or being in the torture pit on earth. Wank off elsewhere.
Viv based her series on broader theological lore and as such it's fair game to cite.
Plus like, it's fun to see how she adapts what. Even if its not entirely faithful or hell, jokingly adapted, it's fun to see how those translations go down
4 months ago
Anonymous
Is this external material lore? Because Viv has been pretty explicit in establishing motifs for each class of angel.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, on screen, in episode 5, you can see the silhouettes of what are clearly Six Angels behind Lucifer as he talks about heaven.
If we assume Lucifer never met his replacement? There you go.
He cares enough to know he can’t defy heaven. That’s just common sense. He can be a pain in the ass when they’re in hell but he either physically can’t return to heaven or just won’t because he knows that would invoke a heavenly bible war
Eventually the series is gonna introduce God, they just have to at this point
4 months ago
Anonymous
i don't see why they'd have to, good omens doesn't (except as narration)
4 months ago
Anonymous
He would 100% fight heaven to protect Charlie. If an exterminator even tried to touch her he would turn into an eldritch abomination angel that was all eyes and wings and delete them from existence
4 months ago
Anonymous
this is probably going to be what gets us the lucy powerup.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Which is exactly why Adam is literally a moron. Sera may be evil but she is smart enough to know make plans that make sense. Adam is just a sadistic pyschopath that can't resist his urges
It makes some sense if you imagine Adam has not really having seen Lucifer using his true power since he fell when Adam was alive. Most of the younger angels probably think he's just a slightly more powerful demon
4 months ago
Anonymous
in a way adam and lucifer are both concealing their true power, lucy with depression and adam with hedonism
4 months ago
Anonymous
I really like the trope of a powerful character being nerfed by depression and ennui. Father from KND and Stolas from Viv's other show are a couple of other examples
The main flaws of Hazbin Hotel are two:
1) The pacing is far too fast.
2) The show has no real interest in exploring the moral and ethical questions its premise poses.
No lie I'm seething I can't find it right now. It starts with Charlie saying something like "I feel like being a cheating bawd if only there was some 40 year old black beatboxer here - my one true love"
It's the funniest thing to come out of the entire escapade and it's getting buried by the algo
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know why, but the creator changed the title
>Early days of Hazbin Theories and Shitposts theorize that if Hell is the Tumblr of the afterlife, then Heaven and it's denizens are going to be Cinemaphile >Adam, the first person we see from Heaven, acts like the average Cinemaphile shitposter
Maybe that's why people here enjoy him. What boards would he be frequenting the most?
How would the show portray Michael if he ever shows up? >tough but fair uncle figure for Charlie that gives her a shot despite not thinking her idea will work >would probably be portrayed as a douchy spoiled child who got all of God's attention after giving Lucifer the boot
Second one they already did with Adam, I’d prefer first. He’s essentially Satan’s opposite archangel but not much is said of him other than he’s god’s chief enforcer, in Paradise Lost and the Quran he’s the most merciful angel and wants redemption for humanity. Maybe instead of cussing out Charlie he’d want Charlie to rejoin heaven and god and leave hell behind, since she’s descended from Angels
No. Genesis 2 had God produce female ones for Adam to chose before he rejected all of them, so God resorted to Eve.
Genesis 6 is exactly why God wanted Adam to chose the earthly created angel babes.
> Why is Adam dumb?
It’s his decision. Not ours. Our father simply didn’t realize the bigger picture of his decisions. So God had to curse woman as a whole to get them to be beneath their male counterpart and act as more proper servants (like the angelic daughters Adam rejected). Since the hierarchy is Man are on top, and angels are on the bottom. Woman had to fulfill the latter role.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Biblical adam also became a volcel later anyway
Viv making him a sex pest is interesting characterization
4 months ago
Anonymous
Viv’s Adam is reflected by Angel Dust, Alastor, and Nifty. Since he is their father.
4 months ago
Anonymous
i wonder why he didnt overthrow sera and her imbecile of a sister while having totally loyal army to him
4 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure that's what going to happened in episode 8.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Adam honors the one above her and Lucifer.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Sera and the army of background angels they didn't let speak seem to outrank him
>Charlie, the overlords, and Lucifer stop the next extermination with force >many angels are killed, including Adam >the exterminations stop but relations between Heaven and Hell are frozen no sinner is getting through the pearly gates >Charlie decides her new plan is just to make her own Heaven in Hell, but with hookers and cocaine and just get everyone in Hell to live like mundane humans >Hell unironically becomes better than the weird as frick Heaven
>lucifer being a miserable bastard trapped in hell is closer to the bible than a lot of his depictions
Yeah, this. He even kinda deserves it since he clearly has no concern for his subjects and is totally self-indulgent all the time. He's not even trying
Why can people never decide what sin he is supposed to be?
I've seen Lucifer/Satan described as the Sin of Pride, Sin of Wrath, AND the Sin of Envy before. Which one is it?
4 months ago
Anonymous
i think pride used to be called 'vainglory' and was its own sin for a while.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Luci is Luci. He shouldn't be assigned sin. He's just mini-God. That's his entire sin.
i think pride used to be called 'vainglory' and was its own sin for a while.
>for a while
Theolette. If you're going to go that far you might as well talk about Luci's actual sin in Hazbin which is acedia.
>lucifer being a miserable bastard trapped in hell is closer to the bible than a lot of his depictions
That's moreso him during the Millennium and after the Second Death. As of right now, he's just here on Earth, not in Hell.
no lol
in fact the very obvious reason why Alastor was so interested in the fact that someone managed to kill an angel is precisely because he wouldn't be able to do it otherwise.
He could easily beat up random exorcists. Vaggie doesn't have any reality warping powers and she was one of Adam's top girls. Just use his shadow demons to immobilize them and use their own angelic weapons to finish them off. The overlords haven't done that so far because they assumed angels could not be killed at all
>Sera freaking out about Em falling
How does an angel become fallen?
Adam just does it - maiming Vaggie without getting anyone's approval or oversite. Just cuts her wings and leaves.
>Adam just does it - maiming Vaggie without getting anyone's approval or oversite. Just cuts her wings and leaves.
Okay to be fair, that was Lute. Adam just kinda...didn't punish her for it.
So, angelic general and the first of men can be killed... like that...
It makes no sense, there would have been plenty angel casualties every extermination if it was this easy
these writers don't make any sense if this is true
People just considered heaven above them. It was a psychological thing. Shock and Awe.
Once they realize the emperor has no clothes and or they decide frick it, if they're just going to come whenever and do whatever then we might as well risk it - that's when you get resistance.
This is how all conflict works. Most people aren't willing to put all their chips on the table so you can bluff the frick out of people.
I suspect Vox is the one that gets outed as a mastermind and gets killed off by Nifty, since he never truly cares for anyone while Adam is depressed even thinking about Hell.
I hate how ever hazbin thread is filled with these gayass christianity discussions by morons pretending like they’ve ever even picked up a bible. Lucifer as a fallen angel isn’t even in the bible and this show isn’t that deep.
in the bible ‘Lucifer’ originally refers to a fallen star god Heylel, which in Latin is translated as Lucifer and became associated with Satan before the modern bible was written. Which is why Christianity uses the names interchangeably, not because of a mistake but because that was one if the names used to refer to Satan. There was never a babylonian king called Lucifer, the king it refers to is King Nebuchadnezzar. By calling the king Lucifer it’s metaphorically comparing the Babylonian king’s fall to Satan’s fall
Satan got the name from Heylel, the Babylonian got the name from Satan.
>There was never a babylonian king called Lucifer
Nothing in the bible is historically accurate. Moses is fricking Sargon, bruh. Anyone who takes ANY historical insight from the bible should kill themselves for buying into a sementic fanfic without looking into the history even a little.
>taking a deeply symbolic text literally
moronic protestants.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Of course it's symbolic, but its also literally true. It is primarily literally true. Symbolic meanings are secondary and tertiary, always subservient to the literal meaning. Except for when explicitly and obviously poetic, like in Psalms, or when described as a vision or dream or parable, such as Revelation, every event in the Bible is literally, eternally true.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>moses isn't sargon. H-he just isn't >noah isn't Uta–napishti. H-he just isn't >muh bible is historically accurate despite not lining up at all
Whoooops. Sounds like someone is a litttttttle bit moronic.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>moses is sargon. H-he just is >>noah is Uta–napishti. H-he just is
Boring >>muh bible isn't historically accurate because I saw a Tedx talk where an eXpErT told me it doesn't lining up at all
4 months ago
Anonymous
Absolutely midwitted.
>t. /x/ schizo
4 months ago
Anonymous
>nothing is true except in the way that is most convenient to me at this present moment
Have you got your succubus waifu yet?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>He doesn't know.
Fool, everything is true.
4 months ago
Anonymous
is that the god damn ancestor from dankest fungeon?
4 months ago
Anonymous
But not literally, historically. Only in ways that make people feel nice about themselves. Right?
Scripture>Canon>Lore, admittedly. But if Hazbin was based on scripture the premise could not exist. There is no after life, only the resurrected being taken to the New Kingdom or being in the torture pit on earth. Wank off elsewhere.
Viv based her series on broader theological lore and as such it's fair game to cite.
It's just people onions raging over shit no one really cares about because they think Viv is still trying to stay faithful to their canon and when she doesn't they get mad.
The actual bible itself is boring.
Its derivative anime-tier fanfiction like Paradise Lost and the shit Michelangelo painted on the Sistine Chapel are all really fricking rad.
>truth is boring because there's only one of it and its the same eternally >fiction is fun because there are infinite ways to depart from the truth when you decide not to be constrained by it >however, depart too far and in the wrong ways, and your fiction is no longer interesting or relatable
Yes
How are they going to make Vs intimidating in season 2 if they can currently be stomped by Charlie and Lucifer, and only slightly stronger than Alastor with their combined power?
Maybe they'll somehow benefit from exploiting state of things left by battle with heaven
Nah. I heard leaks of him being in the next two episodes.
It also doesn’t help that the sinners have the LED angel mask for a reason and they suspiciously haven’t yet inspected it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
i dont understand, is this guy trolling or legitimately insane?
4 months ago
Anonymous
You don’t know this yet. But when season 1 was made, Viv tried to make it self-contained
>There was never a babylonian king called Lucifer
Nothing in the bible is historically accurate. Moses is fricking Sargon, bruh. Anyone who takes ANY historical insight from the bible should kill themselves for buying into a sementic fanfic without looking into the history even a little.
Abraham, Moses, King David, and Jesus Christ are real people and they will make you seethe.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Moses is literally fanfic yid Sargon, bruv. You cannot face reality.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Moses split the waters in half, had God speak out earthquakes, introduce the Torah. and killed giants to get Israel made. You will kneel.
4 months ago
Anonymous
On your neck maybe.
Stop blaspheming
And while you're at it, stop bearing false witness in general
Maybe read the babylonian scripture and accept OT is derivative bullshit in the same way islam is.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christ proclaims Moses being the giver of the true gospel.
4 months ago
Anonymous
God made the Babylonian king kneel to him, kneel.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>maybe read my pagan fanfic
No
Now go ahead and post video from your cringe fedora furry avatar internet daddy "debunking" 2000 years of theology
4 months ago
Anonymous
>maybe read my pagan fanfic >post a vid for me to deboonk I refuse to read anything to do with history that might upset my perspective
M8...
God made the Babylonian king kneel to him, kneel.
On your neck maybe.
4 months ago
Anonymous
He literally made the king go insane and eat grass.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Your strawman does not resemble me. I recognize the pre-existence in myth of characters and events that would later in reality come true in reality. It does not disprove the reality. Or do you think airplanes are fake because you saw that picture of Leonardo's hypothetical flying machine blueprint?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I recognize the pre-existence in myth of characters and events that would later in reality come true in reality
This is a complete denial of reality. I can't help you.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't need your help. It's very easy to see the holes in your argument, so I reject it. I hope you aren't approaching this issue with your mind closed to the possibility that you could be wrong, because that wouldn't be rigorously scientific of you
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm thinking the later. He and Adamgay are pretty gung-ho and that's coming from someone who is quite gung-ho himself.
[...]
I'm all for faith but >truth
If you wanna say that Gospel is, sure, but if you're talking OT see:
[...]
>There was never a babylonian king called Lucifer
Nothing in the bible is historically accurate. Moses is fricking Sargon, bruh. Anyone who takes ANY historical insight from the bible should kill themselves for buying into a sementic fanfic without looking into the history even a little.
Can you please post the misinformed, unqualified, cherrypicked ~~*iceberg*~~ video that you got this factoid from? So that I may debunk it?
4 months ago
Anonymous
4 months ago
Anonymous
Seth Macfarlane literally worships Satan. I win.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Seth MacFarlane is a comedic genius, a god of outrage. He is against satan and his evil doings
4 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christs skeleton was never found, Jesus Christ was white cuz his holiness stopped his body from taking in too much melanin before he looked like shit
4 months ago
Anonymous
no he looked like a sheep so he was jetblack with white woolie hair all over that's why he's called the lamb, see?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Thats Shawn The Sheep, a popular british show I used to watch as a kid, the fellow national brit I am
4 months ago
Anonymous
most likely just autistic
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm thinking the later. He and Adamgay are pretty gung-ho and that's coming from someone who is quite gung-ho himself.
>truth is boring because there's only one of it and its the same eternally >fiction is fun because there are infinite ways to depart from the truth when you decide not to be constrained by it >however, depart too far and in the wrong ways, and your fiction is no longer interesting or relatable
Yes
I'm all for faith but >truth
If you wanna say that Gospel is, sure, but if you're talking OT see:
>There was never a babylonian king called Lucifer
Nothing in the bible is historically accurate. Moses is fricking Sargon, bruh. Anyone who takes ANY historical insight from the bible should kill themselves for buying into a sementic fanfic without looking into the history even a little.
Probably as good of a thread to ask as any;
How christian bashing is it?
I would prefer none or full schizo drama click like her previous works but it just seems middle of thr road non offensive
God isnt even in the show so its just fanfiction with angels and demons. On the same tier of offensive as Dantes Inferno except instead of putting people you dont like in Hell Viv put people she doesnt like in Heaven.
I hate how accurate this comparison is. But then again, I hate people whose takeaway from the Divine Comedy being that Lucifer is a cool rebel who sticks it to the man more so eh.
what does "stick it to the man" mean? It sounds like the title of "I wanna be the guy" which features that one kid who got popular off of Super Meat Boy among Steve from Minecraft
>Frick Tha Police >Killing in the Name >FDT >overthrowing the gub'ment >telling your boss to frick off >goth phase cause your parents want you to be something you're not
You ain't never stuck it to the man?
4 months ago
Anonymous
HOLY SHIT Thats that one PS4 game I played back in 2014, Stick It To The Man
I mean, let's be honest, the story or characterization was never what made Dante's Inferno good, moreso the imagery and layout of hell that it set captured the imagination enough to become the standard of making hell an actual setting
It never blatantly bashes Christianity, in fact they never use the word 'Christian' to describe anything that's going on. I've seen it be compared to Disney's Hercules in how it's handled and I think it's an apt description- horribly inaccurate, but not offensive either. I think the worst it gets is that God and Jesus Christ were confirmed to not be in the show and Saint Peter shows up but he's a skinny white twink.
not much really. biblical Adam is depicted as an sexist butthole villain, while lucifer/lilith are dindu nuffins. angels are the antagonists, but most of heaven is depicted as good hearted, just under bad leadership. there are also a lot of evil demons that make it clear hell is a shithole.
Thanks, honestly the show just seems mid tier, not unhinged enough to be outraged over but not good
Which is a shame, i genuenlly really liked the pilot and the angel designs are so fricking good
Its just "DICKMASTER DICKMASTER DICKMASTER"
It never blatantly bashes Christianity, in fact they never use the word 'Christian' to describe anything that's going on. I've seen it be compared to Disney's Hercules in how it's handled and I think it's an apt description- horribly inaccurate, but not offensive either. I think the worst it gets is that God and Jesus Christ were confirmed to not be in the show and Saint Peter shows up but he's a skinny white twink.
not much really. biblical Adam is depicted as an sexist butthole villain, while lucifer/lilith are dindu nuffins. angels are the antagonists, but most of heaven is depicted as good hearted, just under bad leadership. there are also a lot of evil demons that make it clear hell is a shithole.
He needs to be unmasked before Nifty kills him or whatever. But seriously, surely they're not going to kill off Adam before Eve is even introduced? Or is Vivz just moronic?
If we hadn't gotten the leaks I could absolutely see there being a twist where Adam takes off his mask and unknown to everyone, including him, he's a demon underneath
That doesn’t make sense. Adam would be around for 6000 years at least and many of his redeemed children do look like monsters and he never judges them badly.
Besides, the leaker is likely a shill that carefully words out his sentences and provides unnecessary extra testimony details.
When there is a show we are not interested in, we act like it and don’t even care to say “we don’t care much for it”.
No, the show is much better
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can anyone explain why Charlie while trying to redeem angel and snake guy didn't even asked why are they in hell? does she even talks normally to the people she's trying to help?
I guess she knows why they're in Hell to begin with (We know Angel was in the mafia but we don't know what the Hell Pentious' deal is) but the rules for entering Heaven are revealed to be extremely vague and probably arbitrary.
This Heaven shit should have been season 2, have season 1 focus on stuff like the Vees that aren't that important in the grand scheme of things but serve as a vehicle for character development, then the season finale has Charlie meeting with Adam and him revealing that the Extermination is going to be moved up as the big dramatic cliffhanger to conclude the season.
She supposedly knows little to nothing about humans.
They really made her moronic, more than i expected. I expected her to be naive but im not sure if it's because the entire show is rushed and there are literal months skipped inbetween episodes or is she just moronic.
since we all know that the book charlie reads in the episode one is fricking propaganda why the frick lilith and lucie make eve a test bunny for their apple of evil that turned her into fricking root of evil?
>arranged marriage to a gay bottom with an incompatible personality
Her whole deal is just that she has likely never been properly fricked. Not even once. If Stolas was capable of dicking her and domming her in bed she would have just gone alone with all of his other bullshit
It's not real!
Lute is heterosexual!
She would never think about Vaggie that way!
Not in the musky locker room after a particularly long Extermination! Their uniforms soaking in sweat and breathing heavily, with adrenaline still pumping through their veins. Not in the hot steamy shower! Their lithe bodies rubbing against one another as they reach for the soap, slipping their arms around each other's waist when they inevitably try to hide it from the other. And certainly not in the barracks! Clamoring over each other for the top bunk, pheromones wafting around them, their silky dress pajamas revealing easy access to each other's drooling hungry
4 months ago
Anonymous
Exterminator locker room with the others showering, giggling, sharing stories of their best kills. It's truly heaven.
You get to heaven by having a relationship with Jesus Christ and the KJV Bible is essentially the original ojuji board without demons and fallen angels messing with you.
>She has Amazon money right?
She "has" it now but didn't when they were working on season 1. People speculate that the show got pushed back from 2023 to '24 because they couldn't find a platform that would take it.
What happened in that part where the chandelier falls down and Lucifer starts singing? Like, what was the intention?
Was it showing that the hotel is poorly designed, falling apart, and Charlie really needs help, which triggers Lucifer to sing about how he's gonna help her out?
Did Alastor make the chandelier fall down with his powers? Was it a threat or a challenge to Lucifer, and is that why he starts singing insults to Alastor while praising his own skills?
That song reminded me of something some anon said in a previous thread. He said that the songs feel like jumpscares. They just start suddenly without any build-up and catch you off-guard every time.
>This place is a trash fire and I can use this as an opportunity to get closer with my estranged daughter by sprucing the place up with my chad angelic power
Episode 7 >Charlie and Vaggie makeup, we might get some extra details of Vaggie's Exorcist career, but the important thing is that Vaggie reveals that angels can be killed by Exorcist weapons as well as something she learned during training. >Alastor brings Charlie to see Rosie (Actually Lilith) to get help from her and the cannibals to defend the Hotel, we'll probably get Carmilla reluctantly handing out angelic weapons to help. >Emily and a bunch of other angels who were at the trial and were disgusted by the Exterminations scheme a way to help put a stop to them, won't guess what.
Episode 8 we have a better idea of what happens thanks to the leaks >The Exorcists arrive and attack the Hotel, along the way Pentious is killed sacrificing his life for Cherri, he may or may not have redeemed himself in the process. >Lucifer arrives and helps whip some ass. >Sera cancels the Extermination, maybe she saw Pentious' sacrifice, caved into pressure given to her by Emily and her faction, or Adam gets wienery and reveals that he never cared about Exterminations keeping Hell's population in check, he just wanted to get back at Lilith for leaving him, or maybe all three things. >Either way Adam is defeated and is soon killed by Niffty while he's down. >The Hotel is destroyed in the fighting but is rebuilt.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel like I can't fairly gauge her writing skills with how short this season is. I will say that I don't think she's a great writer, and that she clearly struggles with the idea that sometimes you need to do rewrites to make things work.
She's has the George Lucas, Neil Druckman syndrome, can pull off some interesting ideas, but needs someone to tell her "Bruh what are you doing" from time to time
The sequels are shit cuz disney fricked him over, he wanted Luke Skywalker to turn into the reviver of the jedi instead of some old dumbass on an island
Would you compare this or Helluva Boss to Velma or Rings of Power?
Or what would you compare to as a gauge of good or bad writing? The main criticisms of the show have been the pacing is way too fast.
Best way to put it is that she's an undisciplined writer who has trouble with pacing and making things feel earned.
The Vaggie twist for instance, not only comes after their relationship still hasn't had much good on-screen chemistry, it comes to fruition during a much more interesting scene debating the standards for getting into Heaven and Heaven itself learning of the Exterminations.
It's less a matter of the ideas being shit and more a matter of she packs so many ideas without accepting the limited time frame.
Her other issue is she's bad at group dynamics and developing the supporting cast.
Satan is a different (and yet to be seen) character, Charlie's dad is Lucifer and he's the Paradise Lost emo sadboy interpretation. >Like he’s the prince of darkness but he seems so impudent in the show how has no other demon try to easily overtake him.
The other Hellborn probably know better and that they can't overthrow him, but a Sinner trying it is probably going to be the plot of season 2.
Not even that. The Paradise Lost interpretation at least still has his pride if nothing else. Viv's lucifier is just a depressed blackpilled deadbeat who has given up.
I don't think we know the timeline yet, but maybe they'll tie the dead exterminator to Vaggie's ousting, well not directly, no chance she was kicked out for the extermination that preceded the show I think.
One of the main problems with this show is lack of consistent world-building that is only loosely inspired by a real religion. Angels and demons/sinners are sorted into two opposing camps (heaven and hell) essentially by chance because there is no coherent belief system that establishes what is „good” and what is „evil”.
Ideally, Hazbin Hotel would be an exploration of redemption, a confrontation between the black/white biblical morality and the shades of grey of the real world.
Alas, Vivzie didn’t want to/couldn’t write a complex story about how seemingly good characters (Lucifer?) are evil and how seemingly evil characters are good (Adam?). Instead, we have a mystery story about „what is good?” and „what is redemption?”, but one that is purely surface level (Adam’s hastily scribbled notes).
Honestly, the only thing that could save this show is a literal Deux Ex Machina in which God shows up and explains the rules of the game. There are good and great moments in the show (Lucifer as a dad and Angel’s deal), but because it does not establish a coherent world with narrative purpose and because it does not seriously engage with „redemption”, it is very underwhelming as a whole.
>Angels and demons/sinners are sorted into two opposing camps (heaven and hell) essentially by chance because there is no coherent belief system that establishes what is „good” and what is „evil”.
Sounds like you've got a pretty good grasp on vivziehack's idiotic thesis >le Christians just cynically use religion as a mask for le personal bigotry >for 2000 years >and the Israelites before them
If that’s really the case, then it is truly idiotic. Criticism/exploration of Christianity or religion more generally can be done in an intelligent and genuinely thought-provoking manner, even if it is done so rarely today. My go to example is Paradise Lost, that makes Lucifer somewhat sympathetic while still showing why he was evil in Christian dogma- so prideful that he thought he could do a better job that The Creator.
I love animation as a medium, especially if it’s an indie, a passion project like Hazbin Hotel. It also caught my attention because it seemed to ask an important question- “what is redemption?”. But that is a pointless question to ask if nobody has the slightest idea what it is.
If Vivzie wanted to make a point out of that, then why use heaven and hell with their clear moral binaries? If she did it just because of the “aesthetics”, that’s double idiocy because the “aesthetics” of hell and heaven are inherently tied to their moral meanings.
My thoughts exactly. I like most of the animation, some of the music, a few of the jokes, and none of the "lore," which is completely hamfisted nonsense. Occasional glimpses of meaningful commentary are utterly overshadowed by aimless subversion for its own sake.
I think you are right in saying that the key point is “aimless” subversion. There is, often (quite rightly) a impluse to dismiss anything “subversive” nowadays because of how politically loaded the term is. But “subversion” as a form of internal critique where you take the assumption and/or logic of something and show it’s weaknesses, can be very enlightening, especially as a piece of media, especiallyx2 if on something so massive as The Bible.
But because Hazbin Hotel does not engage genuinely with its “source material” it is not even properly subversive. Pacing is part of the problem, because it does not let the show establish the in-depth motivations and thoughts of their main characters. For example, Adam seems like a malicious dude-bro, and because he does not have much screen time, we don’t know if that’s all he is, or, possibly, he is more of a complex character which his concern about the killed exterminator indicates. Maybe we will find out later on, but with only 2 episodes to go I doubt if it will be done well (or at all).
If that’s the real reason that it is truly idiotic. While there is a space for criticism of how Christianity defines salvation and redemption, it is very far away from esoteric knowledge that must be hidden away for “the good of the world”. After all, it still is the worlds biggest religion with ancient history and a defined and voluminous dogma(s).
However, even Vivzie herself undermines that idea because the Rings of Hell and the Seven Deadly Sins exist in her “lore”, thus showing that there already exists a hierarchy of values in her world. But if she can’t write a story about how they really function, the only solution is what I said before- a Deus Ex Machina when an explanation makes it all clear and shows how it was all “a part of a greater plan” etc.
>Adam directly threatens Charlie giving her time to prepare >most likely charlie will call Alastor Lucifer and Vaggie for backup
What the frick is his plan? Ram head first and hope for the best?
He won't kill Charlie because she's Hellborn.
But he'll kill Angel Dust, and Husk, and Niffty, and (hopefully) Alastor, then destroy her hotel.
He has no reason to think Lucifer's gonna interfere when he hasn't since the dawn of time, and Vaggie's just 1 depowered angel.
Ngl I expected Sera to show up instead with some contracts after Emily won her over however Emily and Charlie have no idea its more sinister than it looks
Episode 7 >Charlie and Vaggie makeup, we might get some extra details of Vaggie's Exorcist career, but the important thing is that Vaggie reveals that angels can be killed by Exorcist weapons as well as something she learned during training. >Alastor brings Charlie to see Rosie (Actually Lilith) to get help from her and the cannibals to defend the Hotel, we'll probably get Carmilla reluctantly handing out angelic weapons to help. >Emily and a bunch of other angels who were at the trial and were disgusted by the Exterminations scheme a way to help put a stop to them, won't guess what.
Episode 8 we have a better idea of what happens thanks to the leaks >The Exorcists arrive and attack the Hotel, along the way Pentious is killed sacrificing his life for Cherri, he may or may not have redeemed himself in the process. >Lucifer arrives and helps whip some ass. >Sera cancels the Extermination, maybe she saw Pentious' sacrifice, caved into pressure given to her by Emily and her faction, or Adam gets wienery and reveals that he never cared about Exterminations keeping Hell's population in check, he just wanted to get back at Lilith for leaving him, or maybe all three things. >Either way Adam is defeated and is soon killed by Niffty while he's down. >The Hotel is destroyed in the fighting but is rebuilt.
those cards are right I'm guessing they get official heavenly approval. Next seasons would be sinners actually struggling with redemption I guess, and maybe the Lilith/Eve conspiracies.
I know its just going to be a "lol he can't actually fight" moment, but it'd be a lot funnier if Adam actually does flat out body a sinner in one punch here
Don't know if this show is that focused on action, but if they wanted to show what the usual threat of exterminations are he should get a few good hits in before the fight back begins.
>What the frick is his plan?
Scorched-Earth, the sinners killed an Angel. Not just an Angel, and Exterminator, one of his girls. They've never been able to do that before, and they'll never get the chance to do it again
It's not like Angels fear demons. One Executioner getting killed by a demon is a big deal, so we can assume they were previously pretty much Invincible
It's not like Angels fear demons. One Executioner getting killed by a demon is a big deal, so we can assume they were previously pretty much Invincible
plus demons don't interfere with angels
why would they? They don't want a war to start with heaven if they interfere.
>Ram head first and hope for the best
I mean, yeah? It's been working for millennia so far. The only wild card that would actually do something is Lucifer and he probably would only cut loose if Charlie herself was hurt.
Not that we've seen, just has the sharp teeth.
And he's not evil like Sauron seemingly. He recognizes giving man free will let so many become moronic sinners.
I think it's toned down a little because of Amazon, but that's a good thing honestly
There is still too much unnecessary swearing imo, but it's better than the pilot
I see Vox dying like this since he’s an utter scumbag that cares more about his reputation than his friends and loved ones. Or Sena from how she hides so many things from others and is anti-thesis of Adam (whom literally demonizes himself with his mask).
Anon. People at amazon and other cartoon studios are not obliged to explain every detail that you might like about the lore. Nor are they obliged to keep the "pacing" and "consistency", just for your fancy. A show with colorful, shining characters, and some actions and low brow humour, is enough to captivate, and most importantly SELL it to the audience. Nobody cares about muh fanfic and muh they fricked it up. You dont even pay for watching the show, you just get them from mega or straight out torrent the episodes.
I mean technically demons are angles just like edgy thats not her demon form it's her fallen angel form, see?
>I mean technically demons are angles
Not really. The Hazbin cosmology is a bit weird.
ALL denizens are angels or demons. So in that sense you are right that they're the same thing. However angels/demons (immortal souls) have their own rules when compared to angels/demons (realm-born).
>that's not her demon form that's her fallen angel form
Nah hellborn are functionally separate to heavenborn. Lucifer didn't suddenly grow horns. He's still an honest to goodness Seraphim. You would be absolutely right if you were talking about immortal souls - because we've seen their mutations are exactly the same in heaven/hell with only slight regional differences, e.g Angel Dust is the 'hell version' of Molly.
Heaven-born and Hell-born have inherent power structures and species with their own powersets. Seraphim aren't just angels who have power over other angels, they are Seraphim. It's not a role or a stage - it's an immutable trait.
Whatever the frick Charlie is, is whatever the frick Charlie is. Granted she might look a little different after living in heaven for a long time just as Luci has sharp chompers but she's not going to suddenly digivolve into a virtue
Adam has sharp teeth too so it's probably not a hell thing and lucifer might have always looked like that
>All demons are angels
Even the most minimal research would prove you wrong. Stop getting all your information from JRPGs
Lilith is more akin to a Sinner, and Charlie is only half angel.
Interesting
She's not an angel, or a mortal, she's the daughter of a fallen angel and a mortal. In Judeo-Christian aprocyphal works the children of fallen angels and mortal women are called Nephilim, and were "Giants" which the fact that Charlie is really tall is perhaps a very subtle nod at that concept. The biblical Goliath was believed to be a Nephilim or descended from them. Problem is that in the apocryphal works, the whole reason God did the whole flood thing was to wipe out the nephilim. So things get fricky on that subject.
Is Lilith ever even mortal in apocrypha? She's a pre-fall human, and not an inheritor of original sin. Pre-fall humans were immortals, too.
She was made from the same clay as adam and in many different apocryphal text is mentioned to have died. She eloped with the angel Sammāʾēl which is likely where Viv formed the whole concept of her eloping with Lucy
Yeah but in HH they make it clear Luci despite being fallen in still an angel
Mother is the first Demoness iirc, making her a angel/demon mix, wonder if there's other perks to it too
/co/'s consensus on the most frickable character?
You're mom
No, you are.
Cherri Bomb
Frick yeah
I'M ADDICTED
Good boy.
Also I think she does store her stuff inside her cleavage
>Used goods that have fricked dozens of different men
Sorry, she's hot but I gotta pass.
She's a LITERAL FRICKING DEMON. If you want a virgin, you're looking on the wrong goddamn plane of existence.
>Implying you wouldn't frick her if she she took you into a sex room
Don’t know why but the Australian voice just doesn’t do it for me. Which is a shame because I was all in on her.
>Cinemaphile
>agreeing
>on anything
>ever
good joke
Lute
She's homophobic so it has to be Lute
canonically it's sir pentious.
It should be Lilith, right? Since she's the OG succubi
Charlie
>charlie with a black dude
>is depicted as fat
R E A L I S M
They aren't. Emily is going to throw a wrench in the works and they'll go back to a cold war with some other less direct ways of fricking with each other - that or total war because Alastor agro'd the Overlords
How is she fat
LED face Lute
Based masked Lute CHAD dabbing on Raven reskin
>98% of new Lute fanarts are all going to be with her new bland human looking face from now on
I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE I HATE MASKLESS LUTE
Adam is next.
It's a shame how everyone started salviating over pretty hot, but not that special woman face over this beauty
Fricking normalhomosexuals
Normalhomosexuals disgust me
Don't get me wrong i still like her, it's just that she was more enigmatic and interesting before with the idea of that being her actual face imo, and it saddens me how everyone is gonna be drooling over her new looks more now, that's just not the Lute i fell in love with
You might as well put a paper bag over her head if you prefer the mask, sure it's cool but it wears off quick. I want to see her raw emotions when she getting the dick than the same 1-3 LED faces.
>sure it's cool but it wears off quick.
YOU SHUT YOUR FACE
Why do they need LED mask?
Rule of Cool
I need to see an increasingly frustrated and desperate Lute trying to get Adam to frick her brains out.
>I want to see her raw emotions when she's getting the dick
I feel like Lute is the kind of gal to try and be as restrained as humanly possible until she can't anymore.
>tfw you will never give it to her so good she actually moans out loud instead of grunts
Consultation prize, I've got a Lute that's trying to hide she's not into it
Don't get me wrong I only jumped on the wagon after seeing her face. She was just an exterminator before. However, the added characterization she got, and lines in a song -- harmonization! Really attracted my interest. Mystery and guile is all fine and dandy, but intelligence that we can see, a melodious singing voice, and monochrome goth gf just sells a character for me.
>Only became a Lute fan after the face reveal
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHAME ON YOU, REAL LUTE FANS LOVED HER SINCE THE REVEAL
Nah that's a completely valid opinion to have, it's just what i think, and i guess i'm kinda jealeous and bitter for how MaskedLute bros like me are gonna end up getting the short end of the stick
If it makes you feel any better you at least have hipster status and can say you liked her before she was cool
SHE WAS ALWAYS COOL!
Normalhomosexuals were just too blind to appreciate her beauty...
I'm sorry, hipsteranon, I don't make the rules. She was always cool in a "smart minion, dumb villain" way with how she cut directly to Charlie's core in a few sentences; and fist bumping. Now we have smart, sexy, monochrome goth gf. She even puts her mask back on when she's feeling particularly pissed off. More Lute = more love for Lute
Well they sure didn't have to necessary do the whole maskless thing too! that's all i'm saying...
You're right, they didn't have to; but I'm grateful they did
I want her to sit on my face tbh
Well agree to disagree then...
We might have to. Appreciate your masked minion, Anon, she deserves your love.
Agreed
thesis: murder mask better
antithesis: maskless goth better
synthesis: the revealed hotties make the mask more interesting. talk about hiding the beauty within
Thesis: all the colors of the rainbow, asymmetry, furry, gay, and unconventional nonsense is fun
Antithesis: black and white, symmetry, human, straight, and seriousness is fun
Synthesis: in a wonderland of wacky zany crazy characters that have all the colors and wild features, the best character is the monochrome goth gf. Talk about not being an eyesore
>tfw connoisseur of both because it's the woman under the mask, her personality, not just her looks
>hot as frick tho
Isn't it obvious
>here's your straight rep bro
imagine not being content with insane shortstack gf
looks hot
Because you don't touch yourself at night enough.
Catra!
It's Emilys fault
>"Look at them fighting, they're at each other's throats!"
>Not even in Heaven for 24 hours and she brings major internal conflict to an essentially conflict-free society
>Also shatters Emily's innocence
>Her first reaction to all this is to gloat about it with an evil grin
Yep, she belongs in Hell.
She came there to ask for Redemption of Sinners only to discover that Extermination is a big fricking secret revealed because Adam could not stop himself from running his mouth because he is sadistic.
Of course she is happy that the Angels feels conflicted about the whole thing. That means they are more likely to stop Extermination
>she is happy that the Angels feels conflicted about the whole thing. That means they are more likely to stop Extermination
There is another heavenly resident like this.
>The Council elects to throw Adam, Lute, all the Exorcists, and every angel that supports them to Hell
>They decide to continue the Extermination
>Adam and Lute and most Exorcists are killed
>Remaining angels surrender
>Show becomes about fallen angels trying to get rehabilited to get back to Heaven
Could this work?
No.
Why not? I honestly feel like that's where things are going, I doubt Heaven is going to let Adam & co. stay after such a major breach of conduct. I think at least one angel will end up at Hazbin Hotel.
It may be breach of conduct but heaven still needs to keep hell at bay, so until they rule out they don't actually need to defend themselves from hell they won't, Adam is their army, they have a sinner do the killing because benevolent angels don't have it in them
Anon, Adam makes this face:
He hardly has the will to continue on with the raids without some sort of extreme coping mechanisms.
>heaven still needs to keep hell at bay
There's no indication of that. Sinners can't even leave the Pride Ring, and I don't think we've seen evidence that Hell has an organized army, have we? Most of the angels weren't aware of the Extermination plan so it doesn't seem as if they were concerned about being invaded or anything. It was just Adam and Sera's thing.
>It was just Adam and Sera's thing.
How would that disprove that heaven fears an uprising
It's also a natural conflict setting, heaven's citizens find out that they've been lied to by Sera, and Sera could exile Adam for cinematics and to keep her good impression
I don't see a reason why they'd tolerate Adam otherwise if they don't need him
I don’t think so. Adam and Sera are opposites in that Adam doesn’t like the Hell-Extermination issues at all and hides it behind his mask while Sera is a people pleasing faker who looked at Adam’s children with a sadistic glee and fire in her eyes. Adam is likely going to be dropped out of the ranks by Sera because he halted the extermination, sticking to the man.
>Adam is likely going to be dropped out of the ranks by Sera because he halted the extermination, sticking to the man.
I hate these threads so much because the speculation will always produce better results than what really happens
An Adam arc where it ends with him sticking it to the man would've been so damn kino
Nice woobification of Adam but it would come out of nowhere
Like with Emily and Sir Pentious.
If there's an Angel they have to redeem, it has to be Adam. The whole point the show is trying to make is that no one is too far gone for redemption, so redeeming the dick(master) creates a much larger impact than redeeming a rando.
Meant for
normally i'm meh on redeption arcs but that's a very good point. redeeming him would make sense with the show's themes.
Adam is definitely going to die. If an angel gets redeemed after being condemned it's going to be Sera or Lute. Sera will definitely fall for supporting the exterminations at the end of the season
>Adam is definitely going to die.
But where is he gonna go, Detroit?
Why mu (nothingness) of course
You guys put way too much faith in this show. Especially when leaks have already confirmed who's gonna be offed in the next episodes.
> Especially when leaks have already confirmed who's gonna be offed in the next episodes.
The antagonist is obviously Vox. And it’s been built up that Sir Pentious and Vox would have a serious encounter like Angel and Val do, which ends with Sir Pentious literally killing himself in the best possible way that pisses off Vox and leads to his great defeat.
lmao no, sorry. Pentious gets killed trying to protect either Cherri or Nifty, I forgot which. Nifty then kills Adam by stabbing him to death. His death is treated as a joke and everyone ignores him.
Where are the leaks? I keep hearing this but with no source
If was by an anon I think a year ago that talked about the show and leaked Vaggie’s backstory.
I am honestly starting to think he was a staff member trying to shill the show, since he tries to heavily stress on how much he “doesn’t care about it” while carefully wording it out to expose the names of Vaggie, Lucifer, Nifty, Sir Pentious and their roles/relevance in the finale, while literally calling the antagonist that gets killed off the “antagonist” with no other details about him whatsoever.
It’s really really sus in hindsight.
vaggie backstory is not much of a guess, people were reasoning it since the pilot released.
But when does it mention Pentious sacrificing himself for Cherri? Also the antagonist could be Adam
Adam is literally too strong for a mere demon to kill with multiple stab wounds and it would shock everyone if Nifty could do that to one of Heaven’s strongest solders. They were shocked when an overlord killed a messily low ranking exorcist.
Nifty and other demons are literally too weak to kill an exorcist, whom was killed by another angel. Adam is the final boss of them. So that should clue you in that the antagonist is much weaker than Adam for Nifty to reasonably kill him.
Episode 1. He almost lost the act mid-way in discussing about how much hell sucks.
>Nifty and other demons are literally too weak to kill an exorcist, whom was killed by another angel. Adam is the final boss of them. So that should clue you in that the antagonist is much weaker than Adam for Nifty to reasonably kill him.
Dude you're acting like Viv cares about consistency in worldbuilding. She would absolutely kill Adam off for that kind of joke.
>Pentious dies and isn't mourned by the characters
If this is true Viv is genuinely fricking moronic.
>An Adam arc where it ends with him sticking it to the man would've been so damn kino
There’s very little screen time, so Vivziepop has to make each scene with him counts by hiding the details in plain sight or in the background. Like this looks like a silly gag on Adam “excusing himself to heaven”, until it’s revealed that he indeed has these traits that allowed him to be in Heaven.
Why the frick should Adam know what it takes to get into heaven? He lived hundreds of years teaching his children and children's children about god and died before the discovery of caffeine, what the frick would Adam know about the modern world?
Do you think Viv could add a scene where we see Valentino doing this ‘waterboarding’ stuff Angel mentioned to him?, As someone who cares about SA survivors I find it important that media shows every aspect of abuse their subject to, not just explicitly sexual scenarios
>As someone who cares about SA survivors
viv doesn't, check her twitter
who will be his first opponent as world heavyweight champion
>Why does the main character of "Deviantart: The Show" have a Daemon Forme?
Woah now way dood
Because she is Sweet and Psycho!
post mega pls
Mommy?
Adam really did frick up badly
That’s actually Eve.
I used to think that Lute was Eve, tbh that would of been better cuz who the frick is lute
Lute is Adam’s third wife that is an angel this time. And he badly needs her.
Just look at him when the fun and games are drained and he actually has to think about Hell and losing Eve for a second.
>Even Lute nods in agreement that drummer-dick is low grade
Drummergays righteously blown the frick out
ehh, her face and nose bridge are too long, they should of given her a shorter nose bridge and face like charlie
Rosie is in the last tier solely because she's a cannibal and might go all back widow on me after we frick or during
The frick tier should be below marry
So we're pretty sure that Alastor was brought back by Lilith, right? What's the endgame? To watch Charlie? Protect her?
Radicalize her against heaven to start a war?
False Charlie. The real Charlie from the pilot has clearly been replaced.
OP Pic is literally Pilot Charlie
Which of the million characters would you cut to give the show more breathing room?
Charlie
The Vees. Dunno why we need like 10 people that are just there to job to Alastor
the arms dealer woman could be combined with some other character i feel
>Adam doesn’t like the Hell-Extermination issues at all and hides it behind his mask
i don't dislike adam, but i'm not sure where you're getting this characterisation of him from.
I wouldn't cut anyone, but I would double the amount of episodes. We're moving at a breakneck pace and don't get any time to allow the characters we have to grow and develop over a natural course of time. Cutting a character wouldn't solve that problem, but creating more time and space would
i agree. the pacing is so fast, we have emily sayng 'i can't believe i looked up to you' to sera. which should be a big moment but it bascially happens in the episode she's introduced so no impact.
i think it's probably to the show's credit that one of its worst problems is that there isn't enough of it.
This.
It works out pretty neatly too, since you can spread out the songs to get 1 per episode thereby sating Viv's disney autism.
Nothing. That's on whoever thought 8 episodes were enough per season.
Delete Zestial, it's just Carmilla now, she's the oldest
Merge the Vs into Vox, or at least delete Velvette
And as sad as I am to say...cut Hell's great Dad since it added nothing new to the episode (they were already doing a "Lucifer and Alastor hate each other and Lucifer thinks he's being replaced by Alastor" gag)
Mimzi
Mimzie, Carmille and her family. Adam and the Seraphines could be combined into one antagonist really.
I don't think anyone should be cut out, but rather more episodes, the pacing is more coherent than Helluva, but its really fast.
pretty much this, they got to heaven too soon, and Angeldust's change happened too soon imo.
>Angeldust's change happened too soon imo.
Nah it’s fine
>pretty much this, they got to heaven too soon, and Angeldust's change happened too soon imo.
The worst part of Angel's change is that it happens offscreen. Loser Baby is about him admitting he has a problem which is a good first step, but then the series jumps ahead 5 months and he's now gone clean and is a nicer person, they completely skipped over the enter middle section of his character arc of him actually overcoming some of his problems.
It sucks because for the most part the actual story and character beats are perfectly fine, but very rarely do they feel earned because we're dealing with season 2 material in the first season. These big emotional songs don't work when we've known characters like Carmilla, Emily, and Sera for all of five minutes.
it seems vivzie does not believe in redemption and cannot imagine a person growing or being better, ironic
AD seems competent organic to me as far as the show goes. Husk calling him fake and everything that follows is enough
Show don't tell is a bit of a meme, because you definitely don't need to show everything and having some minor offscreen character development is perfectly fine, the issue is how we're constantly skipping over these big arcs and also not getting enough background details.
Like where the frick did Pentious' crush on Cherri come from and how long has this been a thing? You think that would be a big focus point since the leaks indicate he straight up sacrifices his (after)life to save her so this isn't some minor element of his character, it straight up leads to him doing the most selfless thing a person could possibly do for someone. Now maybe we're going to get some details on it since one of the big songs we haven't heard yet is titled 'Out For Love', but I think it's much more likely that's the Vaggie and Charlie makeup song.
I'm suspecting the rushed pacing is because trying to squeeze way too much into one episode. We don't know shit what amazon wants either.
For all of this to happen naturally you would need 12 eps a minimum per season, with everyone having their mini-arcs too. The only positive change with Angeldust is that he's not offensively insufferable up to the point where I hate the character. Also he's just one person, there should have been more characters who are not hotel's employee's. The latest Pentious stuff was good too but its very bare bones.
Streaming services are autistic about not wanting 10 or more episodes per season, but if Hazbin instead had 30 minute episodes instead of 22 minute ones that would have given us an extra 3 episodes worth of material we could explore.
Mimzy was just there to do Alastor's backstory real quick, and let him flex on the loan sharks, I guess so we have a rough understanding of his power before I assume he fights the exterminators. Not a terrible role for basically a one off character.
Mimzy is not a one off character, she's gonna be a regular.
Carmilla because right now her being the one who killed the angel is completely pointless. Make it Vaggie, or maybe in a bigger twist, Charlie. Have Velvette find the head and bring it up to the other Vees while Alastor spies on them.
Angel dust and Husk
I don’t care about these homies at all
veggie. 100% veggie, Im still perplexed what does she even do in the show
Eat your veggies
So we have 4 songs left
What will they be?
lilith song, charlie/vaggie duet, angel song
Adam and Lucifer
Sir Pentious and Vox
i like lucifer
>Marry Lute
She'd be heavily abusive
>have a friend who likes playing "paper dolls" with the characters
>she already put Lute in lingerie and gave her a whip
Lute can abuse me any time
Things Lucifer can do to fix stuff if Charlie asked him:
>Break Angel's contract.
>Break Husk's contract.
>Be there in Hotel when Adam attacks so none of the residents die and Adam's threat is just that.
is anyone even afraid of lucifer? i'm not sure how much authority he actually has.
Don't care about authority, but it all should be in his powers. If there are demons stronger than him, that's cringe.
true, i was thinking more in terms of the contract. if it's as simple as kicking valentino to death and tearing it up then charlie's good.
Charlie can and should do those things herself.
Are you moronic? Sera was shitting herself over him getting involved. No one is afraid of him in hell because he doesn't give a frick about hell. A gun is just an unwieldy block of metal until someone pulls the trigger.
If Adam does attack the Hotel and Lucifer knows it's happening then he's straight up dead.
>If Adam does attack the Hotel and Lucifer knows it's happening then he's straight up dead.
Nah. Adam and Lucifer are reflections in this show. I except Lucifer to take Lute, since that is the perfect way for Lucifer to ward Adam off from Charlie’s hotel.
>Adam and Lucifer are reflections in this show
No, they aren't. Lucifer and Sera are.
>both seraphim
>both the leaders of their realm
>both raising annoying idealistic protoges
>both jaded as frick with the status quo and out of patience
Adam plays of Charlie just like Emily does. Fricking hell.
Adam would probably just kill Lute. He joined in on Vaggie's mutilation so I doubt he truly cares about any of "his girls."
Adam went bonkers when one Angel girl died. And Lucifer took away two his wives away from him.
Except he didn't care about the angel, he carried that they found a way to harm angels.
Vaggy listened to her equivalent of the serpent and got kicked out of heaven
Her backstory could've been quite kino actually with more screen time
As far as we know Vaggie isn't even a fallen angel, she just got the shit kicked out of her by her fellows for showing kindness and left behind.
Yeah Adam is pretty much a moron for openly taunting Charlie. Fricking with her is like the one thing that would get Lucifer to delete you from existence permanently
The other angels are stronger than him together in Heaven but the way I'm reading it is that he is basically like God in Hell. He's not even the king in the traditional since he doesn't do anything but this sort of eldritch cosmic force that has existed since the dawn of time that happens to live there.
I don’t see them sending over Adam to hell if they didn’t think he was as capable as Lucifer.
Adam feels too serious for the joke because he genuinely does care about hell and its horrible implications on his life.
do you think adam actually liked lilith before they sent her away?
I see it more like it didn’t work out, but he only truly hated Lilith when she took Eve away. Oddly enough, Adam seems fine with Lucifer and references his talents in episode 1 while Charlie progressively gets on his nerves by constantly antagonizing him (to the point of saying that Adam doesn’t deserve to be in heaven in episode 6, which is too personally mean) and not listening to his warnings (when he literally has never seen a redeemed sinner in his entire life like her father has). He and Lucifer have similar cynical views on hell and are implied to have a decent relationship.
charlie was given the pass to talk to adam by lucifer, which implies that adam and lucifer usually have the heaven embassy talks.
lucifer is less weak and more severely depressed, he just needs a good reason to unleash Angelic Power
They specifically talked with Lucifer about the exterminations. That's why they don't attack hellborns, he told them not to. There is 0 chance Adam is as strong as Lucifer. Literally 0%
I don’t get why you overpraise Lucifer when Adam is trusted to kill any sinner in hell.
NTA, you're a moron.
You guys are assuming Adam intends to kill Charlie and not just ruin the hotel and kill the sinners there.
Still seems really dumb. The smart thing to do would be to do almost anything to prevent Lucifer and Charlie from becoming more involved. That was Sera's plan.
He's literally Lucifer. The Fallen Angel. The original bad boy. He's not going to care about Rules Lawyering
He doesn't seem to care about anything really.
*except for Charlie*
probably Lilith too
Keep in mind that Vox has Adam under his control (the mask) and Vox doesn’t want Alastor and Charlie to make any more deals as soon as possible.
I've seen you in a million threads asserting your moronic headcanon as fact. Why do you keep doing this?
Why do you talk exactly like a poo poster?
Don't deflect. Answer. Why do you keep pushing your fanfic as some sort of fact the show stated?
>He's literally Lucifer. The Fallen Angel. The original bad boy. He's not going to care about Rules Lawyering
Maybe in bible lore. This Lucifer is clearly a giga cuck who lets Alastor push him around.
Plus we don't actually know how strong Adam is. And he's got direct beef with Lucifer too.
He is kinda a cuck but to be fair he doesn't want to upset Charlie. I guess when you're been stuck in Hell after failing to remake the universe for thousands of years you just don't really give a shit about stuff like overlords.
>Maybe in bible lore
He's a literal fricking Seraph you gigaBlack person. The same type of angel Adam shits himself over and is completely and utterly subservient to.
From what we've seen in Hazbin Seraphs are the top of heaven. The cream. There are three. Luci, Sera and Emily. Emily didn't introduce herself as "another seraphim" she said THE other seraphim. Two in heaven, one in hell.
>The same type of angel Adam shits himself over and is completely and utterly subservient to.
You're thinking too much in anime terms, anon. At no point is it stated Adam is afraid of Sera cause she could beat him up, but because she's the goddamn ruler of heaven. You think people are afraid of a queen's wrath cause of her power to personally hand them their asses? Maybe in chess.
He even calls her his manager.
>you're thinking too much in anime terms
>he says in a series where sinners become occult monsters and rule over other sinners with spooky powers
Get fricked you disingenuous moron. Adam is a jobber. Move on.
There’s many seraphs, but there is only one golden winged Adam.
Who literally can manipulate and touch reality under a hologram.
%3D%3D
>gold wings
NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN
>whoah holograms and reality manipulation
That's basic b***h Alastor shit. God I hate you so much.
You legit try to make Lucifer look like the most powerful thing ever when we never seen Adam and him fight once.
Be it canon, lore or scripture the 'enemy' is powerful. Lucifer in canon and lore specifically is basically meant to be at the tippy top of the divine order which is why he thought he could 'show initiative' in the heavenly workplace and instead got dressed down and fired.
>dude
>adam
>lmao
Yeah and if we go purely by show rules the tippy top of heaven is Seraphs and he's STILL a seraph and he's still "angelically powerful". I don't see how you don't get this dynamic. You don't frick reality up bad enough to get trapped in a hellscape if you're a grunt who cannot affect change. You just get erased. You don't have the boss of heaven explicitly telling her subordinates to keep you the frick out of it either.
If you aren't underaged you need to let your handler know you need less screen-time.
Anon, Lucifer isn't a Seraphim, he's an archangel kicked out of the seven holy angels. We even see their silhouettes.
Plus like, it's fun to see how she adapts what. Even if its not entirely faithful or hell, jokingly adapted, it's fun to see how those translations go down
Is this external material lore? Because Viv has been pretty explicit in establishing motifs for each class of angel.
Anon, on screen, in episode 5, you can see the silhouettes of what are clearly Six Angels behind Lucifer as he talks about heaven.
If we assume Lucifer never met his replacement? There you go.
He cares enough to know he can’t defy heaven. That’s just common sense. He can be a pain in the ass when they’re in hell but he either physically can’t return to heaven or just won’t because he knows that would invoke a heavenly bible war
Eventually the series is gonna introduce God, they just have to at this point
i don't see why they'd have to, good omens doesn't (except as narration)
He would 100% fight heaven to protect Charlie. If an exterminator even tried to touch her he would turn into an eldritch abomination angel that was all eyes and wings and delete them from existence
this is probably going to be what gets us the lucy powerup.
Which is exactly why Adam is literally a moron. Sera may be evil but she is smart enough to know make plans that make sense. Adam is just a sadistic pyschopath that can't resist his urges
It makes some sense if you imagine Adam has not really having seen Lucifer using his true power since he fell when Adam was alive. Most of the younger angels probably think he's just a slightly more powerful demon
in a way adam and lucifer are both concealing their true power, lucy with depression and adam with hedonism
I really like the trope of a powerful character being nerfed by depression and ennui. Father from KND and Stolas from Viv's other show are a couple of other examples
The main flaws of Hazbin Hotel are two:
1) The pacing is far too fast.
2) The show has no real interest in exploring the moral and ethical questions its premise poses.
Also, we haven't seen Thanos yet. He's supposed to do a beatbox that cost the staff 50,000 dollars to pull off.
Post the parody vid already dude. Frick that one is funny.
Nah there's another one where Charlie beatboxes as well. Frick. It's called rapping version/edition or something. I can't find it.
No lie I'm seething I can't find it right now. It starts with Charlie saying something like "I feel like being a cheating bawd if only there was some 40 year old black beatboxer here - my one true love"
It's the funniest thing to come out of the entire escapade and it's getting buried by the algo
I don't know why, but the creator changed the title
>Early days of Hazbin Theories and Shitposts theorize that if Hell is the Tumblr of the afterlife, then Heaven and it's denizens are going to be Cinemaphile
>Adam, the first person we see from Heaven, acts like the average Cinemaphile shitposter
Maybe that's why people here enjoy him. What boards would he be frequenting the most?
/pol/, /x/ and any other board he can make overly hostile non-arguments on
His pastime is deboonking shit on Cinemaphile and /misc/ vause he knows the future (probably)
he posts his rib recipes in Cinemaphile and gets in arguments about how you correctly cook a steak
/int/
/sp/
/his/
/x/. Especially /x/ considering how much fun he'd have trolling schizos.
How would the show portray Michael if he ever shows up?
>tough but fair uncle figure for Charlie that gives her a shot despite not thinking her idea will work
>would probably be portrayed as a douchy spoiled child who got all of God's attention after giving Lucifer the boot
one of adam's frat bros maybe
Second one they already did with Adam, I’d prefer first. He’s essentially Satan’s opposite archangel but not much is said of him other than he’s god’s chief enforcer, in Paradise Lost and the Quran he’s the most merciful angel and wants redemption for humanity. Maybe instead of cussing out Charlie he’d want Charlie to rejoin heaven and god and leave hell behind, since she’s descended from Angels
>in the Quran Michael created all lesser angels from his teardrops
>Vaggie is Charlie’s cousin
>What could have been
Yes lest get back to talking about the show. Proselytizing morons be damned.
Weren't all angels males? Also pretty sure God doesn't exist in the show.
No. Genesis 2 had God produce female ones for Adam to chose before he rejected all of them, so God resorted to Eve.
Genesis 6 is exactly why God wanted Adam to chose the earthly created angel babes.
does that mean Adam in heaven only fricks with human souls? while ignoring lute and his topgirls?
>he rejected all of them
Why is Adam dumb?
I thought Deviantart nuke all the lewd stuff already.
> Why is Adam dumb?
It’s his decision. Not ours. Our father simply didn’t realize the bigger picture of his decisions. So God had to curse woman as a whole to get them to be beneath their male counterpart and act as more proper servants (like the angelic daughters Adam rejected). Since the hierarchy is Man are on top, and angels are on the bottom. Woman had to fulfill the latter role.
Biblical adam also became a volcel later anyway
Viv making him a sex pest is interesting characterization
Viv’s Adam is reflected by Angel Dust, Alastor, and Nifty. Since he is their father.
i wonder why he didnt overthrow sera and her imbecile of a sister while having totally loyal army to him
Pretty sure that's what going to happened in episode 8.
Adam honors the one above her and Lucifer.
Sera and the army of background angels they didn't let speak seem to outrank him
Gabriel has been memed over the centuries into either being androgynous or the sole female.
Gabriel has been treated as female from time to time.
There's also Jophiel, Lailah, and Haniel.
>has been treated [by whom?]
I imagined Lucifers successful stoic chad brother
>Charlie, the overlords, and Lucifer stop the next extermination with force
>many angels are killed, including Adam
>the exterminations stop but relations between Heaven and Hell are frozen no sinner is getting through the pearly gates
>Charlie decides her new plan is just to make her own Heaven in Hell, but with hookers and cocaine and just get everyone in Hell to live like mundane humans
>Hell unironically becomes better than the weird as frick Heaven
Sounds lame, never cook again.
No, that's EXACTLY what everybody is been complaining about the show going for the "Hell = Good, Heaven = Bad"
Post Charlie x Animan parody please
THERE IS NO QUESTION TO BE POSED
HE'S UNHOLY, CASE CLOSED
You Didn't Know and Hell's Greatest Dad are absolute winners.
Adamantly and absolutely a power couple
>And the best couple in gay cartoon are once again heterosexual antagonists
I'll even take Adam over Hordak, what a pussy ass b***h. Horrendous show, makes Hazbin look flawless
I'm compelled by blood to disagree with your opinion because my sister worked on the show. Nuthin' against you personally, it's just da rules
Do you think Alastor could have killed Lucifer if he went all demonic deer-man on him?
No. Lucifer would delete him without any effort. Word of God is that he is far, far more powerful
No doubt.
Nope, lmao. Are you moronic.
I fricking hate these threads.
Not a chance in hell. He would've deposed Lucifer long ago if he could.
Lucifer domming Alastor is a good ship. Basically pseudo-raping him
How can you frick up so bad and not make Lucifer an antagonist? Oh boohoo Heaven actually created hekl and banished him there BORING
you think lute and adam fricked?
lucifer being a miserable bastard trapped in hell is closer to the bible than a lot of his depictions
>lucifer being a miserable bastard trapped in hell is closer to the bible than a lot of his depictions
Yeah, this. He even kinda deserves it since he clearly has no concern for his subjects and is totally self-indulgent all the time. He's not even trying
i think it's said he tried, realised everyone in hell was an butthole and then gave up.
>lucifer being a miserable bastard trapped in hell is closer to the bible than a lot of his depictions
Those other depictions are cooler
>hazbin Lost
Kino
Why can people never decide what sin he is supposed to be?
I've seen Lucifer/Satan described as the Sin of Pride, Sin of Wrath, AND the Sin of Envy before. Which one is it?
i think pride used to be called 'vainglory' and was its own sin for a while.
Luci is Luci. He shouldn't be assigned sin. He's just mini-God. That's his entire sin.
>for a while
Theolette. If you're going to go that far you might as well talk about Luci's actual sin in Hazbin which is acedia.
In the show it's pride. He runs the Pride Run.
Every sin is downstream from pride
He's pride
I’m glad he’s sneezing in his elbow so he doesn’t spread covid to the people of hell.
Oh shit, he dabbin'
>lucifer being a miserable bastard trapped in hell is closer to the bible than a lot of his depictions
That's moreso him during the Millennium and after the Second Death. As of right now, he's just here on Earth, not in Hell.
no lol
in fact the very obvious reason why Alastor was so interested in the fact that someone managed to kill an angel is precisely because he wouldn't be able to do it otherwise.
He could easily beat up random exorcists. Vaggie doesn't have any reality warping powers and she was one of Adam's top girls. Just use his shadow demons to immobilize them and use their own angelic weapons to finish them off. The overlords haven't done that so far because they assumed angels could not be killed at all
i heard that high ranking angels can only be killed by other angels
I don't think you could call a seraphim with a random exorcist blade. Vaggie is not a seraphim
Of course not
I don't think Alastor could even take on Adam, let alone actual seraph
No. And that’s exactly why Alastor is at the hotel to begin with. He can’t touch Lucifer, but he can manipulate Charlie to get at him.
Alastor trying to kill Lucifer is like Jar Jar Binks trying to kill Anakin Skywalker
>Sera freaking out about Em falling
How does an angel become fallen?
Adam just does it - maiming Vaggie without getting anyone's approval or oversite. Just cuts her wings and leaves.
>Adam just does it - maiming Vaggie without getting anyone's approval or oversite. Just cuts her wings and leaves.
Okay to be fair, that was Lute. Adam just kinda...didn't punish her for it.
They also took her halo, is the halo a source of angel power?
Where is her angel form?
Besties!
Girlfriends.
How are they going to defeat Adam whithout asspulls?
have Lucifer fight him?
He's a complete idiot. He'll get betrayed and die.
Niffty stabs him with an angel spear in the back when he’s not looking
Leaks confirmed
So, angelic general and the first of men can be killed... like that...
It makes no sense, there would have been plenty angel casualties every extermination if it was this easy
these writers don't make any sense if this is true
People just considered heaven above them. It was a psychological thing. Shock and Awe.
Once they realize the emperor has no clothes and or they decide frick it, if they're just going to come whenever and do whatever then we might as well risk it - that's when you get resistance.
This is how all conflict works. Most people aren't willing to put all their chips on the table so you can bluff the frick out of people.
Like that would work against Jesus Christ. Hahahaha
I suspect Vox is the one that gets outed as a mastermind and gets killed off by Nifty, since he never truly cares for anyone while Adam is depressed even thinking about Hell.
Vivziehack exposed
Speaking of Good Omens, crossover when?
I hate how ever hazbin thread is filled with these gayass christianity discussions by morons pretending like they’ve ever even picked up a bible. Lucifer as a fallen angel isn’t even in the bible and this show isn’t that deep.
Lucifer is a fallen Angel. You foolish Catholic.
Yes in fanfiction he’s a fallen angel in the bible it refers to a king.
No. The scripture is referencing past effects to compare the king with.
Dude stop being autistic, you know what I meant, holy shit.
The Holy Spirit is no poo.
in the bible ‘Lucifer’ originally refers to a fallen star god Heylel, which in Latin is translated as Lucifer and became associated with Satan before the modern bible was written. Which is why Christianity uses the names interchangeably, not because of a mistake but because that was one if the names used to refer to Satan. There was never a babylonian king called Lucifer, the king it refers to is King Nebuchadnezzar. By calling the king Lucifer it’s metaphorically comparing the Babylonian king’s fall to Satan’s fall
Satan got the name from Heylel, the Babylonian got the name from Satan.
>n the bible ‘Lucifer’ originally refers to a fallen star god Heylel
there is no star gods in bible, stopped reading here
It’s a god from the caananite religion, whose latin name later got borrowed for Satan
>There was never a babylonian king called Lucifer
Nothing in the bible is historically accurate. Moses is fricking Sargon, bruh. Anyone who takes ANY historical insight from the bible should kill themselves for buying into a sementic fanfic without looking into the history even a little.
Stop blaspheming
And while you're at it, stop bearing false witness in general
Witnessed esoteric quads.
>taking a deeply symbolic text literally
moronic protestants.
Of course it's symbolic, but its also literally true. It is primarily literally true. Symbolic meanings are secondary and tertiary, always subservient to the literal meaning. Except for when explicitly and obviously poetic, like in Psalms, or when described as a vision or dream or parable, such as Revelation, every event in the Bible is literally, eternally true.
>moses isn't sargon. H-he just isn't
>noah isn't Uta–napishti. H-he just isn't
>muh bible is historically accurate despite not lining up at all
Whoooops. Sounds like someone is a litttttttle bit moronic.
>moses is sargon. H-he just is
>>noah is Uta–napishti. H-he just is
Boring
>>muh bible isn't historically accurate because I saw a Tedx talk where an eXpErT told me it doesn't lining up at all
Absolutely midwitted.
>t. /x/ schizo
>nothing is true except in the way that is most convenient to me at this present moment
Have you got your succubus waifu yet?
>He doesn't know.
Fool, everything is true.
is that the god damn ancestor from dankest fungeon?
But not literally, historically. Only in ways that make people feel nice about themselves. Right?
>But muh isaiah 14:12
Not about satan
Scripture>Canon>Lore, admittedly. But if Hazbin was based on scripture the premise could not exist. There is no after life, only the resurrected being taken to the New Kingdom or being in the torture pit on earth. Wank off elsewhere.
Viv based her series on broader theological lore and as such it's fair game to cite.
It's just people onions raging over shit no one really cares about because they think Viv is still trying to stay faithful to their canon and when she doesn't they get mad.
‘Demonology’ gays are insufferable
>hurr durr why fo people discuss a cartoon's faithfulness to its source material
The actual bible itself is boring.
Its derivative anime-tier fanfiction like Paradise Lost and the shit Michelangelo painted on the Sistine Chapel are all really fricking rad.
>truth is boring because there's only one of it and its the same eternally
>fiction is fun because there are infinite ways to depart from the truth when you decide not to be constrained by it
>however, depart too far and in the wrong ways, and your fiction is no longer interesting or relatable
Yes
How are they going to make Vs intimidating in season 2 if they can currently be stomped by Charlie and Lucifer, and only slightly stronger than Alastor with their combined power?
Maybe they'll somehow benefit from exploiting state of things left by battle with heaven
They're gonna start a war in heaven by assassinating a high ranking angel. They'll make a gun that would make Striker's look like a toothpick
The Vs are mid boss shit at best. If they're actually getting an arc in S2 either the stakes are winding back down or Viv is a moron.
I can't confirm, so take it with a grain of salt, but i heard viv said that Vees will be main antagonists of season 2
And i mean, who else? Elder angels are too strong, and it might be too early for Roo too
The conflicts won't involve the true heavy hitters except indirectly. Charlie is an exception to this but she is nerfed by being a naive moron
>who else?
Well it’s not like this show has any problem introducing new characters
velvette is definitely going to kill the arms dealer and take over her stuff.
Yeah. that would sure do something, after all a demon prince almoust got murdered by an imp with some angelic stuff
Also, i think Vox will get alot stronger due to reaping souls from his angelic security
Nah. Vox and Sir Pentious are most likely going to fight in the season 1 finale.
Vox is clearly gonna sit this one out
Nah. I heard leaks of him being in the next two episodes.
It also doesn’t help that the sinners have the LED angel mask for a reason and they suspiciously haven’t yet inspected it.
i dont understand, is this guy trolling or legitimately insane?
You don’t know this yet. But when season 1 was made, Viv tried to make it self-contained
Abraham, Moses, King David, and Jesus Christ are real people and they will make you seethe.
Moses is literally fanfic yid Sargon, bruv. You cannot face reality.
Moses split the waters in half, had God speak out earthquakes, introduce the Torah. and killed giants to get Israel made. You will kneel.
On your neck maybe.
Maybe read the babylonian scripture and accept OT is derivative bullshit in the same way islam is.
Jesus Christ proclaims Moses being the giver of the true gospel.
God made the Babylonian king kneel to him, kneel.
>maybe read my pagan fanfic
No
Now go ahead and post video from your cringe fedora furry avatar internet daddy "debunking" 2000 years of theology
>maybe read my pagan fanfic
>post a vid for me to deboonk I refuse to read anything to do with history that might upset my perspective
M8...
On your neck maybe.
He literally made the king go insane and eat grass.
Your strawman does not resemble me. I recognize the pre-existence in myth of characters and events that would later in reality come true in reality. It does not disprove the reality. Or do you think airplanes are fake because you saw that picture of Leonardo's hypothetical flying machine blueprint?
>I recognize the pre-existence in myth of characters and events that would later in reality come true in reality
This is a complete denial of reality. I can't help you.
I don't need your help. It's very easy to see the holes in your argument, so I reject it. I hope you aren't approaching this issue with your mind closed to the possibility that you could be wrong, because that wouldn't be rigorously scientific of you
Can you please post the misinformed, unqualified, cherrypicked ~~*iceberg*~~ video that you got this factoid from? So that I may debunk it?
Seth Macfarlane literally worships Satan. I win.
Seth MacFarlane is a comedic genius, a god of outrage. He is against satan and his evil doings
Jesus Christs skeleton was never found, Jesus Christ was white cuz his holiness stopped his body from taking in too much melanin before he looked like shit
no he looked like a sheep so he was jetblack with white woolie hair all over that's why he's called the lamb, see?
Thats Shawn The Sheep, a popular british show I used to watch as a kid, the fellow national brit I am
most likely just autistic
I'm thinking the later. He and Adamgay are pretty gung-ho and that's coming from someone who is quite gung-ho himself.
I'm all for faith but
>truth
If you wanna say that Gospel is, sure, but if you're talking OT see:
Lilith genetics?
is there any fanart of angel charlie?
lilith
https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/1ad9hvu/upper_thigh_tattoo_by_dicky_at_dallas_tattoo/
>even the ledditors telling him this is bad idea
kek
He'll get the chance to score some Aussie before he dies? Right?
Y-yeah he's gonna score some penal colonists ass real soon hahaha
>mfw the follow up to that image
In a different au...
Miscegenation
What?
Alastor is such a fricking donut steel...
i hope vox fries him or angels rape him with spears or something, frick this guy
Probably as good of a thread to ask as any;
How christian bashing is it?
I would prefer none or full schizo drama click like her previous works but it just seems middle of thr road non offensive
God isnt even in the show so its just fanfiction with angels and demons. On the same tier of offensive as Dantes Inferno except instead of putting people you dont like in Hell Viv put people she doesnt like in Heaven.
That's a pretty good description actually.
I hate how accurate this comparison is. But then again, I hate people whose takeaway from the Divine Comedy being that Lucifer is a cool rebel who sticks it to the man more so eh.
>who sticks it to the man
Ah but Hitler, does he steal? Is he selfless? Sounds like he might be getting a redemption soon
what does "stick it to the man" mean? It sounds like the title of "I wanna be the guy" which features that one kid who got popular off of Super Meat Boy among Steve from Minecraft
>Frick Tha Police
>Killing in the Name
>FDT
>overthrowing the gub'ment
>telling your boss to frick off
>goth phase cause your parents want you to be something you're not
You ain't never stuck it to the man?
HOLY SHIT Thats that one PS4 game I played back in 2014, Stick It To The Man
You're thinking of Paradise Lost.
I mean, let's be honest, the story or characterization was never what made Dante's Inferno good, moreso the imagery and layout of hell that it set captured the imagination enough to become the standard of making hell an actual setting
Thanks, honestly the show just seems mid tier, not unhinged enough to be outraged over but not good
Which is a shame, i genuenlly really liked the pilot and the angel designs are so fricking good
Its just "DICKMASTER DICKMASTER DICKMASTER"
>black Lute
her name would be Loot instead
It never blatantly bashes Christianity, in fact they never use the word 'Christian' to describe anything that's going on. I've seen it be compared to Disney's Hercules in how it's handled and I think it's an apt description- horribly inaccurate, but not offensive either. I think the worst it gets is that God and Jesus Christ were confirmed to not be in the show and Saint Peter shows up but he's a skinny white twink.
not much really. biblical Adam is depicted as an sexist butthole villain, while lucifer/lilith are dindu nuffins. angels are the antagonists, but most of heaven is depicted as good hearted, just under bad leadership. there are also a lot of evil demons that make it clear hell is a shithole.
>Heaven under bad leadership
Riiiiiight
So she can look cool
She was hotter when she a doing the virtuous thing.
Who would have guessed hot chicks committing righteous acts of God is hot af?
When you think about it, post-fall Vaggie probably killed more sinners annually than when she was an exorcist
DO NOT UNMASK THE ADAM
He will be unmasked and simped for.
He's gonna be completely hideous, and everyone is gonna prefer more his masked look instead
I expect him to hate or be embarrassed by his past Eden self, he wouldnt make himself look like a giga imp otherwise
He needs to be unmasked before Nifty kills him or whatever. But seriously, surely they're not going to kill off Adam before Eve is even introduced? Or is Vivz just moronic?
I really like this one
What if she was reedemed?
doesn't she thirst for blood
She would lose like seventy-five percent of her character.
Instead of wanting to get laid she wants to get married so she can get laid
I don't think she'd want that to happen to be honest
she should forcefully redeem adam instead
Adam falling to Hell and being Niffty's sex toy when
She’s gonna die a hamster like death
isn't she a roach though?
Black person
If we hadn't gotten the leaks I could absolutely see there being a twist where Adam takes off his mask and unknown to everyone, including him, he's a demon underneath
that's kinda cool
That doesn’t make sense. Adam would be around for 6000 years at least and many of his redeemed children do look like monsters and he never judges them badly.
Besides, the leaker is likely a shill that carefully words out his sentences and provides unnecessary extra testimony details.
When there is a show we are not interested in, we act like it and don’t even care to say “we don’t care much for it”.
Was the Pilot really better then what we got?
No, the show is much better
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/Hazbin-Hotel/Episode-1-Overtune?id=111717
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/Hazbin-Hotel/Episode-2-Radio-Kill-the-Video-Star?id=111718
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/Hazbin-Hotel/Episode-3-Scrambled-Eggs?id=111737
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/Hazbin-Hotel/Episode-4-Masquerade?id=111738
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/Hazbin-Hotel/Episode-5?id=111769
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can anyone explain why Charlie while trying to redeem angel and snake guy didn't even asked why are they in hell? does she even talks normally to the people she's trying to help?
I guess she knows why they're in Hell to begin with (We know Angel was in the mafia but we don't know what the Hell Pentious' deal is) but the rules for entering Heaven are revealed to be extremely vague and probably arbitrary.
This Heaven shit should have been season 2, have season 1 focus on stuff like the Vees that aren't that important in the grand scheme of things but serve as a vehicle for character development, then the season finale has Charlie meeting with Adam and him revealing that the Extermination is going to be moved up as the big dramatic cliffhanger to conclude the season.
plot twist she's just does not give a frick and simply wants things to be her way being princess and all
She supposedly knows little to nothing about humans.
They really made her moronic, more than i expected. I expected her to be naive but im not sure if it's because the entire show is rushed and there are literal months skipped inbetween episodes or is she just moronic.
since we all know that the book charlie reads in the episode one is fricking propaganda why the frick lilith and lucie make eve a test bunny for their apple of evil that turned her into fricking root of evil?
i really wish charlie gets what she wants and they show us timeskip and heaven is hell 2.0, BECAUSE PEOPLE BE PEOPLE
>arranged marriage to a gay bottom with an incompatible personality
Her whole deal is just that she has likely never been properly fricked. Not even once. If Stolas was capable of dicking her and domming her in bed she would have just gone alone with all of his other bullshit
Wrong show
Adam and Pentious switching places when they die is such a good idea I'm annoyed that it's not gonna happen
Why is Lute so hot
she's a punk rock/goth girl with alpha b***h energy.
It's a mistery
Evil women are ALWAYS the best girls in whatever media they are.
All women are evil
>subservient
>will still shush you
>smart
>harmonizes with you while singing
>heterosexual
>monochrome Raven
>smug condescending grin
>heterosexual
>Implying that she didn't have tons of hate-fricking sex with Vaggie
>hate-fricking sex
Hot
>with Vaggie
Vile and Blasphemous!
Hot as frick though
You know it's real...
It's not real!
Lute is heterosexual!
She would never think about Vaggie that way!
Not in the musky locker room after a particularly long Extermination! Their uniforms soaking in sweat and breathing heavily, with adrenaline still pumping through their veins. Not in the hot steamy shower! Their lithe bodies rubbing against one another as they reach for the soap, slipping their arms around each other's waist when they inevitably try to hide it from the other. And certainly not in the barracks! Clamoring over each other for the top bunk, pheromones wafting around them, their silky dress pajamas revealing easy access to each other's drooling hungry
Exterminator locker room with the others showering, giggling, sharing stories of their best kills. It's truly heaven.
where the frick i can read those so called "leaks" of vivziewoke?
>Deviantart fetishshit
GET OUT
I wanna massage those feet then pull on her toes till they pop
so all you need to do to get in heaven is go to church while being human and repent at least once? and being ateist sends you to hell
You get to heaven by having a relationship with Jesus Christ and the KJV Bible is essentially the original ojuji board without demons and fallen angels messing with you.
yeah i know through jesus you get to heaven easy peasy but church and doing good things too works
The church is works without faith. While faith without works is dead. Works without faith makes you like the israelites that rejected Jesus.
did they show joos in the show?
Saint Peter. Although he looks like an abomination.
They would be in the Greed ring. But sinners can’t traverse outside the Pride ring like hellborn can.
You need to
>be selfless
>not steal
>stick it to the man
>>not steal
didnt that old man get rich by stealing or somethings on helluva boss?
He went to hell
Waiting for some church to put this on their announcement/message sign
>Emily:”I’m not a child to protect!”
You heard her, she’s fair game
Someone write a fanfic with her and Adam please.
What are your guys thoughts on the redesigns?
All the animation in ggeneral is much worse than the pilot and I'm not sure why. She has Amazon money right? It should have gotten better if anything.
>She has Amazon money right?
She "has" it now but didn't when they were working on season 1. People speculate that the show got pushed back from 2023 to '24 because they couldn't find a platform that would take it.
Only Charlie and Vaggie look different. The rest you can’t really tell.
Grew on me, but I still miss Charlie's old design
What happened in that part where the chandelier falls down and Lucifer starts singing? Like, what was the intention?
Was it showing that the hotel is poorly designed, falling apart, and Charlie really needs help, which triggers Lucifer to sing about how he's gonna help her out?
Did Alastor make the chandelier fall down with his powers? Was it a threat or a challenge to Lucifer, and is that why he starts singing insults to Alastor while praising his own skills?
That song reminded me of something some anon said in a previous thread. He said that the songs feel like jumpscares. They just start suddenly without any build-up and catch you off-guard every time.
You're overthinking it. It's first.
>This place is a trash fire and I can use this as an opportunity to get closer with my estranged daughter by sprucing the place up with my chad angelic power
Does anyone have that part where Cherri pulls something out of her cleavage?
What do you guys think would happened in episode seven and eight?
Well for whatever reason Charlie is compelled to seek out Rosie, we know that already
Episode 7
>Charlie and Vaggie makeup, we might get some extra details of Vaggie's Exorcist career, but the important thing is that Vaggie reveals that angels can be killed by Exorcist weapons as well as something she learned during training.
>Alastor brings Charlie to see Rosie (Actually Lilith) to get help from her and the cannibals to defend the Hotel, we'll probably get Carmilla reluctantly handing out angelic weapons to help.
>Emily and a bunch of other angels who were at the trial and were disgusted by the Exterminations scheme a way to help put a stop to them, won't guess what.
Episode 8 we have a better idea of what happens thanks to the leaks
>The Exorcists arrive and attack the Hotel, along the way Pentious is killed sacrificing his life for Cherri, he may or may not have redeemed himself in the process.
>Lucifer arrives and helps whip some ass.
>Sera cancels the Extermination, maybe she saw Pentious' sacrifice, caved into pressure given to her by Emily and her faction, or Adam gets wienery and reveals that he never cared about Exterminations keeping Hell's population in check, he just wanted to get back at Lilith for leaving him, or maybe all three things.
>Either way Adam is defeated and is soon killed by Niffty while he's down.
>The Hotel is destroyed in the fighting but is rebuilt.
Is Vivzie an actually terrible writer or is that a meme?
Mostly a meme, she is nothing compared to Scott Cawthon
>Scott Cawthon
What's wrong with him?
Theres nothing wrong with him, hes just a much better writer
>hes just a much better writer
lmao
Its a fact
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel like I can't fairly gauge her writing skills with how short this season is. I will say that I don't think she's a great writer, and that she clearly struggles with the idea that sometimes you need to do rewrites to make things work.
She's has the George Lucas, Neil Druckman syndrome, can pull off some interesting ideas, but needs someone to tell her "Bruh what are you doing" from time to time
The sequels are shit cuz disney fricked him over, he wanted Luke Skywalker to turn into the reviver of the jedi instead of some old dumbass on an island
Would you compare this or Helluva Boss to Velma or Rings of Power?
Or what would you compare to as a gauge of good or bad writing? The main criticisms of the show have been the pacing is way too fast.
I like the writing so far
Best way to put it is that she's an undisciplined writer who has trouble with pacing and making things feel earned.
The Vaggie twist for instance, not only comes after their relationship still hasn't had much good on-screen chemistry, it comes to fruition during a much more interesting scene debating the standards for getting into Heaven and Heaven itself learning of the Exterminations.
It's less a matter of the ideas being shit and more a matter of she packs so many ideas without accepting the limited time frame.
Her other issue is she's bad at group dynamics and developing the supporting cast.
she seems more afraid the show will get cancelled before she can get to plot points she's interested in, so she's overstuffing the season.
although naming a demon 'angel' in a series with literal angels in it remains a questionable writing decision.
>angel
I thought he names after the drug that killed him.
he is, but it's still mildly confusing. his real name seems to be anthony, they could have just called him that.
Can someone explain the satan seems like such a b***h in this series.
Like he’s the prince of darkness but he seems so impudent in the show how has no other demon try to easily overtake him.
Satan is a different (and yet to be seen) character, Charlie's dad is Lucifer and he's the Paradise Lost emo sadboy interpretation.
>Like he’s the prince of darkness but he seems so impudent in the show how has no other demon try to easily overtake him.
The other Hellborn probably know better and that they can't overthrow him, but a Sinner trying it is probably going to be the plot of season 2.
>paradise lost
Not even that. The Paradise Lost interpretation at least still has his pride if nothing else. Viv's lucifier is just a depressed blackpilled deadbeat who has given up.
gaygir hated killing demons
Was losing Vaggie that crippling to the Exorcist?
I don't think we know the timeline yet, but maybe they'll tie the dead exterminator to Vaggie's ousting, well not directly, no chance she was kicked out for the extermination that preceded the show I think.
One of the main problems with this show is lack of consistent world-building that is only loosely inspired by a real religion. Angels and demons/sinners are sorted into two opposing camps (heaven and hell) essentially by chance because there is no coherent belief system that establishes what is „good” and what is „evil”.
Ideally, Hazbin Hotel would be an exploration of redemption, a confrontation between the black/white biblical morality and the shades of grey of the real world.
Alas, Vivzie didn’t want to/couldn’t write a complex story about how seemingly good characters (Lucifer?) are evil and how seemingly evil characters are good (Adam?). Instead, we have a mystery story about „what is good?” and „what is redemption?”, but one that is purely surface level (Adam’s hastily scribbled notes).
Honestly, the only thing that could save this show is a literal Deux Ex Machina in which God shows up and explains the rules of the game. There are good and great moments in the show (Lucifer as a dad and Angel’s deal), but because it does not establish a coherent world with narrative purpose and because it does not seriously engage with „redemption”, it is very underwhelming as a whole.
>Angels and demons/sinners are sorted into two opposing camps (heaven and hell) essentially by chance because there is no coherent belief system that establishes what is „good” and what is „evil”.
Sounds like you've got a pretty good grasp on vivziehack's idiotic thesis
>le Christians just cynically use religion as a mask for le personal bigotry
>for 2000 years
>and the Israelites before them
If that’s really the case, then it is truly idiotic. Criticism/exploration of Christianity or religion more generally can be done in an intelligent and genuinely thought-provoking manner, even if it is done so rarely today. My go to example is Paradise Lost, that makes Lucifer somewhat sympathetic while still showing why he was evil in Christian dogma- so prideful that he thought he could do a better job that The Creator.
I love animation as a medium, especially if it’s an indie, a passion project like Hazbin Hotel. It also caught my attention because it seemed to ask an important question- “what is redemption?”. But that is a pointless question to ask if nobody has the slightest idea what it is.
If Vivzie wanted to make a point out of that, then why use heaven and hell with their clear moral binaries? If she did it just because of the “aesthetics”, that’s double idiocy because the “aesthetics” of hell and heaven are inherently tied to their moral meanings.
My thoughts exactly. I like most of the animation, some of the music, a few of the jokes, and none of the "lore," which is completely hamfisted nonsense. Occasional glimpses of meaningful commentary are utterly overshadowed by aimless subversion for its own sake.
I think you are right in saying that the key point is “aimless” subversion. There is, often (quite rightly) a impluse to dismiss anything “subversive” nowadays because of how politically loaded the term is. But “subversion” as a form of internal critique where you take the assumption and/or logic of something and show it’s weaknesses, can be very enlightening, especially as a piece of media, especiallyx2 if on something so massive as The Bible.
But because Hazbin Hotel does not engage genuinely with its “source material” it is not even properly subversive. Pacing is part of the problem, because it does not let the show establish the in-depth motivations and thoughts of their main characters. For example, Adam seems like a malicious dude-bro, and because he does not have much screen time, we don’t know if that’s all he is, or, possibly, he is more of a complex character which his concern about the killed exterminator indicates. Maybe we will find out later on, but with only 2 episodes to go I doubt if it will be done well (or at all).
Sera seems to know what the true rules are you, but apparently they'd destroy the world order probably
If that’s the real reason that it is truly idiotic. While there is a space for criticism of how Christianity defines salvation and redemption, it is very far away from esoteric knowledge that must be hidden away for “the good of the world”. After all, it still is the worlds biggest religion with ancient history and a defined and voluminous dogma(s).
However, even Vivzie herself undermines that idea because the Rings of Hell and the Seven Deadly Sins exist in her “lore”, thus showing that there already exists a hierarchy of values in her world. But if she can’t write a story about how they really function, the only solution is what I said before- a Deus Ex Machina when an explanation makes it all clear and shows how it was all “a part of a greater plan” etc.
I'm actually surprised with how many exterminators there are that they managed to keep it a secret from the rest of heaven for so long.
Angel Dust doesnt make sense, like how can you be a femboy yet 7 feet tall? That must be considered short in hell
so why Adam is so based?
He just wants to kill
so he's doom guy?
>Adam directly threatens Charlie giving her time to prepare
>most likely charlie will call Alastor Lucifer and Vaggie for backup
What the frick is his plan? Ram head first and hope for the best?
He won't kill Charlie because she's Hellborn.
But he'll kill Angel Dust, and Husk, and Niffty, and (hopefully) Alastor, then destroy her hotel.
He has no reason to think Lucifer's gonna interfere when he hasn't since the dawn of time, and Vaggie's just 1 depowered angel.
Do people actually believe he'll go through with it or that some other angel character won't show up at the hotel
Ngl I expected Sera to show up instead with some contracts after Emily won her over however Emily and Charlie have no idea its more sinister than it looks
That might be after the fight if
those cards are right I'm guessing they get official heavenly approval. Next seasons would be sinners actually struggling with redemption I guess, and maybe the Lilith/Eve conspiracies.
Adam plows Charlie and all the female sinners when?
that'd be too based for a show like this
they'd probably have him job and die like a b***h
Imagine ha ha ha...
Is she wearing pants in the bottom left panel?
yes you can see the seam line of the pants on both the bottom left and the top left
I know its just going to be a "lol he can't actually fight" moment, but it'd be a lot funnier if Adam actually does flat out body a sinner in one punch here
Don't know if this show is that focused on action, but if they wanted to show what the usual threat of exterminations are he should get a few good hits in before the fight back begins.
If he can't fight and is only pretending why would he even be the leader of the Executioners and call the extermination fun?
No. I fully expect Adam to actually be absolutely scary like a father putting his kids to timeout for good.
>What the frick is his plan?
Scorched-Earth, the sinners killed an Angel. Not just an Angel, and Exterminator, one of his girls. They've never been able to do that before, and they'll never get the chance to do it again
It's not like Angels fear demons. One Executioner getting killed by a demon is a big deal, so we can assume they were previously pretty much Invincible
plus demons don't interfere with angels
why would they? They don't want a war to start with heaven if they interfere.
>Ram head first and hope for the best
I mean, yeah? It's been working for millennia so far. The only wild card that would actually do something is Lucifer and he probably would only cut loose if Charlie herself was hurt.
Does Cinemaphile have watchparties for this show?
I wanna binge before ep 7 and 8 drop
Doesn’t Lucifer lose his pretty body and face like Sauron?
Not that we've seen, just has the sharp teeth.
And he's not evil like Sauron seemingly. He recognizes giving man free will let so many become moronic sinners.
Bible - No
Paradise Lost - No
Classic Art - No
Inferno - Yes
Not mine, but Kino. https://vocaroo.com/1ehVvBOkGtA8
Would Adam even know what woke is?
Woke=Having any sort of sympathy for Sinners.
Is Blake Roman cast for Second Season?
Smug c**t
Smarmy b***h
https://twitter.com/homieThaPharaoh/status/1751760645828055122/video/1
Anyone have information about Blake being in season 2?
I doubt we'll know much about season 2 anytime soon, probably barely starting production.
Here you guys go.
Chill, anon, we're still on page 2. At least wait till 8/9, or link a thread that's already up. I'm sure there's at least 2 others in the catalogue
Hell is forever is a fricking banger of a song. Why is Adam always a Chad no matter what medium
God loves his first human son.
Their reprise in "You didn't know" is awesome too
Is it me or is the show less raunchy then Helluvaboss and the pilot?
I think it's toned down a little because of Amazon, but that's a good thing honestly
There is still too much unnecessary swearing imo, but it's better than the pilot
so how likely is for chAdam to end up dying in a shitty way?
I see Vox dying like this since he’s an utter scumbag that cares more about his reputation than his friends and loved ones. Or Sena from how she hides so many things from others and is anti-thesis of Adam (whom literally demonizes himself with his mask).
did the exorcists like lute use to be real people who died, or were they created?
Adam seems to have created them, implied by him naming Vaggie
Anon. People at amazon and other cartoon studios are not obliged to explain every detail that you might like about the lore. Nor are they obliged to keep the "pacing" and "consistency", just for your fancy. A show with colorful, shining characters, and some actions and low brow humour, is enough to captivate, and most importantly SELL it to the audience. Nobody cares about muh fanfic and muh they fricked it up. You dont even pay for watching the show, you just get them from mega or straight out torrent the episodes.
And nobody is obliged to like your slop
>eating the bait
>eating the bait
he fell for it hook and nose. Those autistic types are easy to trigger
I just like the way it tastes, alright? Don't tell me what to do