Charlie gets mad at Vaggie and tells her to leave because she is a genocider but then she is told to forgive her or some shit and she does and Vaggie b***h slaps Sera and wins the war and Emily gives them the lesbian trophy of female empowerment.
And I don’t want to download a virus as Vivziepop’s output just isn’t worth that. I hope someone has Mega files at some point. See how this trash fire ends.
Vaggie doesn't know angels can be harmed >harmed >harmed >not even killed >FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ffs Viv.
The ANGEL who had her FRICKING EYE cut out didn't know ANGELS can be FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!
No, you're just making shit up in your own head to try to fix Viv's incompetent shit for her.
If that's how it actual worked she could have used the time she wasted pointing at her own frick up to explain it instead, but she doesn't realise how moronic it is because she's moronic. Frick Viv.
But it's specifically not that, it's that 'angel steel' or whatever that's the key, and then they go on to use explosives and bullets and shit anyway - like is Angel now firing those kinds of bullets in his guns? Do I have to assume or make up some excuse myself about that?
Called it, I knew his "death" wasn't final. I'm guessing the news of his ascension will spread fast and suddenly lots of people will want to give the Hotel a chance now that they know it isn't a lost cause.
Adam's fanbase was so fricking fake honestly, I would know, I bought into his chad status after he roasted Charlie but then he's absent for the rest of the season and then gets mogged by Charlie in the best way for both Charlie and Adam.
He had no foot to stand on and the folks mad he died are just coping.
I disliked Adam at first, thinking it was lame that all angels would supposedly just be dumbass buttholes, but knowing that he was just Heaven's attack dog having too much fun with his role made me like him as a villain over time. Him and Lute always hyping each other up was fun.
I think heaven is less ment to be America but more an allegory for the 1st world in general. I mean after all heaven does destabilise hell through wars n shiet
My story is that you and VivziePop are taken to the lake of fire, which is the second death.
Stop supporting this evil c**t or else you will go with her.
I think heaven is less ment to be America but more an allegory for the 1st world in general. I mean after all heaven does destabilise hell through wars n shiet
We literally got the worst of every possible narrative line. I know the next hopium will be that Adam is going to be brought back at some point but I mean, is it really worth it to give Viv that power over our expectations of the show?
wouldnt that be directly implicating that the 3rd world is that way because of something inherently wrong with the people there rather than the fact that they happened to be late to industrialization
She is from a third world shithole, in fact, I'd argue fourth world as in its just a big ole dump. So seeing her seething through her creations is hilarious.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What is 2nd and 4th world?
Can we just all agree at this point, by episode 5, anyone in the writers room GAVE UP trying to get ideas past Vivzie and they just nodded their heads and went along with it?
That is the worst offense to the writing. Every little thing after that was PREDICTABLE.
What's the chances that Prime and A24 get rid of Vivze?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly? Low to non-existent. They aren't stupid. They kow kicking the vanity pig off the show would upset people. They're gonna pull a Disney and Dana Terrace. Let her piss and winge on twitter/threads while they finish up season 2 then black list her quietly as she fades into obscurity as some new animator flavor of the month appears with something that will impress people. Lucky for Tracy Butler, she went the route of actual indie so she is fine.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Vox was great and I look forward to the Vees in s2, but I have to admit that these last two episodes were pretty disappointing overall. The musical numbers were middling at best, and while I like the ideas of More than Anything and Happy Day in Hell reprises, they were just really not even shadows of the songs they were reprising, while the reprises of Hell is Forever in episode 6 were both shoulder to shoulder if not better. Looking forward to season 2 in however many fricking years, but I get the feeling the ending of that season will also be a fumble. Also, maskless Adam isn't real he can't hurt me
2nd world was the commieblock opposed to the 1st world of usa+allies, 3rd world was nonaligned, and 4th world is less concrete than the other 3 and referred to stateless peoples or something to that effect
Considering Adam and the other genocidal featherdusters being up their pobably not. Not saying sinners dindu nuffin™, but the card was stacked against them.
>An allegory about immigration, systemic racism, and how US fricking sucks of course.
Why do beaners and other sub-human filth think they're entitled to access and then shit up white societies? Especially when they constantly demonize white people?
Notice how hell in Hazbin Hotel doesn't have any active hellfire or other environmental factors making it miserable? It's all the shitty people there making life hell for everyone else. Just like third world nations (especially in Latin America). They have some of the most abundant natural resources on the planet and yet cannot create functional societies to save their lives because it always devolves into gang warfare and omnipresent corruption. Why should we allow a people who are so flawed and low IQ to flood into our countries?
Cope viv, your country of origin is literal garabge
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Yeah Viv, but let me tell you what I DIDN'T do more than you did: I didn't take a promising idea, characters, and totally frick them up with my own hackery. When it comes to that, you definitely did more than me.
Still waiting for the show that you delude yourself into making.
Yeah Viv, but let me tell you what I DIDN'T do more than you did: I didn't take a promising idea, characters, and totally frick them up with my own hackery. When it comes to that, you definitely did more than me.
Then why did you move here you fricking shit-skin? Get out of our society and back to the shithole you came from. We're fricking sick of you entitled vermin.
>Immigration metaphor >Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and other low-life scum from Hell (The Third World) trying to enter Heaven (The West) >Heaven is the bad guy for not wanting these people around
Man I fricking love Vox
Viv is a based fujo for making him frick Valentino too Sir Pentious went out like a chad, overall sad that Adam died but the episodes were still really enjoyable
Niffty kills Adam but it’s a ‘coup de grace’ thing because Lucifer already mushes his face up and probably disconnects his ocular nerves from punching him a bunch
>emergerd isnt carmilla such a cool latina dommy mommy? She literally kicked an angel to death
So, the secret this whole time was that nobody had ever tried to fight the angels before? What is this moronation?
I think there could have been a fun dynamic with Vaggie but out of most characters Carmilla suffered the most from the lack of runtime. She's part of a mystery that's instantly resolved, her motivation revolves around her daughters that haven't gotten any focus yet, and she was introduced early purely because she offers the final solution you'd assume that any number of other demons would have attempted at some point.
Maybe I'm just biased because I thought Velvette sung her under the table.
They did NOT need to take so much screentime that could have been given to set up the battle better. The cannibal town and training did not need to cover an entire episode, they could have been shorter segments and give the rest of the cast something to do.
I enjoyed Vox jacking off to Alastor almost dying, but how are you gonna introduce a major villain in episode 2 and then he does NOTHING for the rest of the season. >Hope you liked this character! Wait 2 years for him to actually do something
Why the frick did Velvette and Valentino get more to do than him?
>Sir Pent got into heaven >Alastor's final battle was cool but the leaker said he was supposed to fight Vox? >Vees watching was fun >Yuri yawn that is Chaggie sucks slightly less but feels too late to make us care >Rosie was cool as frick >All those last fight scenes were great, loved seeing Adam's face and he looked like as much of a frickboi as we were all imagining >Alastor almost dying and being vulnerable did something to my heart >When he said "I'm going to be the one to end your fricking life" my panties were wet >Lucfier's transformations were fun just leaker said >Enjoyed Alastor's bit with Nifty and really felt their friendship >Another thing the leaker didn't bother telling us is that we do see Lillith at the end >She had a deal with Lute >Lute loses an arm instead of an eye which would have been too on the nose even though Vaggie is moronic for letting her live, makes it feel like they did have more personal beef going on
So a bit of food for thought: is it possible at all that Alastor's deal could be with that Eldritch family we see in the photos?
At the very least Viv could change shit again
He's always using tentacles he has that Eldritch energy himself which very well could be power given to him by whoever he's contracted with
I know we all know it's Lillith but Viv already admitted to changing shit the last minute
Voxbro I know....I hope he gets a lot of fanart in the meantime
Sexy TV husband deserves more
so does that mean it's more of a "soul for a soul" kind of deal?
like in order for one soul from hell to be redeemed, someone from heaven has to be condemned?
Many angels were killed, and probably many cannibals. If it were that simple several would have shown up with Pentious, and his eggboys, though I'm still not sure what their deal is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The redeemablity of hellborn hasn't been mentioned yet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, because the cannibals were there for free food. This was explicitly shown in the Cannibal Town scene. There was nothing selfless about their acts.
Likewise, the exorcists are not selfless, and in fact seem to enjoy the suffering of Sinners. This is not behavior worthy of re-entry into Heaven (if that's even possible. You may get only 1 shot at each).
Ok so if it hasn’t been posted, Adam kills Pentious and he goes to heaven still a snake. Adam gets killed by Niftty after Lucifer comes gives him mercy. Lilith is in heaven and Lute tells her that Adam is dead, and that she needs to stop Charlie as part of some deal she had previously made
As another Anon said, once word gets out about Sir Pentious, a lot of the denizens of Hell are suddenly going to want to give the hotel a shot. I assume that the Vees will take a more active role in opposing the Hotel since they want Hell to stay the same as always since it's how they profit.
yea, lilith and the v's will def step up more as antagonists i season 2, wonder why and how lilith is in heaven... and who the hell has alistors leesh if its not lilith cause shes in heaven???
Just because Lilith is in Heaven doesn't mean she can't hold power over Alastor. The other possibility is that Alastor's master is Eve, since she is conspicuously absent.
And Alastor rants that he is bound by a deal, but one day he will find a way out and come out on top. Also, he previously forced Charlie into a deal where she will one day have to do a favor for him as long as it's not something that harms anyone.
Alastor: it's time for my favor...
Charlie: ugh, okay... what is it? And remember, no harming people!
Alastor: I need you to reclaim my soul from your mom
Charlie: oh okay, yeah dood, you, like, didn't need to make a spooky demon deal for me to do that for you.
Alastor: ... I didn't?
Charlie: no dude we're fricking bros of course I'd help you out on this
Lilith: god dammit. Ok have ur gay little soul back you b***h boy
Rosie: HES AN ACE IN THE HOLE NOT GAY OMFG, VELVETTE IS GONNA CANCEL YOU
He didn't bang Eve, but he offered her the forbidden fruit.
Fun fact: the exact kind of fruit is never described in the Bible, the idea of it being an apple didn't come until later due to a mistranslation of "malum".
You gotta remember this was the past. Shit worked different back then. Animals knew how to talk still. It was only way later that animals forgot language.
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God talked to the snake afterwards, seems he designed snakes to talk back then
Also the bible says that Donkeys and Eagles can also talk
This is all based on interpretation as it can be said that Lucifer/Satan's voice spoke through the Serpent and God's voice later spoke through the Donkey. Either way, never was it ever said in scripture that animals had speech or had speech removed at some point.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's said in Revelations that Eagles back during the war on heaven would talk.
The Bible never said that Lucifer's voice spoke through the serpent either, Lucifer wasn't even mentioned that entire story.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why didn't the eagles just fly Adam and Eve out of Eden?
3 months ago
Anonymous
they were busy getting the ring to Mordor
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon don't bother, people are REALLY attached to Lucifer being the snake. I had the exact same conversation multiple times when I actually read through the old testament years ago.
I do have a hazy recollection of Satan(?) being called "that old serpent" somewhere in Revelations but I honestly do not remember where. So it is something that has been around for a LONG time, but yeah in genesis the snake is never stated to be anything more than a snake so it was a reveal added hundreds of years after genesis was written.
Some people say read between the lines but with all the crazy stuff in that book like the four headed monster cherubs and the self wielding flaming sword, a talking snake doesn't actually stick out all that much.
It is hard to feel tension anymore as Charlie now one her side has like 2 most powerful beings in Hell. There is no real threat to them anymore.
Hopefully this means more focus on character driven shenanigans, without a looming threat plot to eat up runtime.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The eagle speaking is just a visual interpretation of a heavenly being attending God's throne. >Revelation 4:6-8: "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." "And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle." "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come." >Lucifer wasn't even mentioned that entire story.
Lucifer is a name used only once and in an unrelated context to the angel Lucifer. Satan, alternatively, is called the old Serpent. >Revelation 12:9: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
A lot of common knowledge about the Bible is pretty much fanfic rewrites of people trying to make a coherent narrative out of a bunch of contradictory stories by many writers centuries apart.
this
Viv messing with traditional notions isn't strange. The show isn't trying to be faithful to the source material.
Hell, demons in HB marry and have children. Nothing about the show was meant to be religiously consistent.
Nah that's how it's depicted in almost all classical Christian art. And it's described in the Hebrew bible to have once been an "Upright" creature that specifically got cursed to be on its belly.
Where in the bible does it ever say it had legs and arms? It never once does.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Classical Christian art by people thousands of years, if not longer, than the actual events occurred?
Classical Christians don't know more just because the art was done hundreds of years ago, bro. They were making shit up, just like your teachers and having snakes jumping around like "coil".
God cursed snakes by taking away their legs. That's literally what the passage means. It doesn't mean that snakes were fricking springs prior.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The passage literally says in plain words that it had to go on its belly.
It says nothing about arms, it says nothing about legs, it says nothing about all the other animals that don't have arms and legs. You are making shit up you've been told, when it's nowhere in the bible.
He didn't bang Eve, but he offered her the forbidden fruit.
Fun fact: the exact kind of fruit is never described in the Bible, the idea of it being an apple didn't come until later due to a mistranslation of "malum".
He literally did fricking motions and said "bow chika wow wow" after saying it, very clear implications there.
I was fricking right adam dies and lute fills the power vacuum as the new bad guy leader. She better get her chance to fricking murk some b***hes in hell when she lost her arm I wanted to cry
They already announced like weeks ago that her voice actor was gonna return to keep voicing her of course she wasn't gonna die. And yeah Pent/Adam voice actor has not, so not only is Adam dead but Pent will not appear.
Oh god wasn't there some Anon here yesterday or today talking about how he was reading a Vox/Val slash fic and he was taken out of the story because they were kissing? Well, Viv showed him!
that was such a good fricking episode holy shit the only problem I have with it was alastor's line about trying to get out of his deal, come one we couldn't have kept that motivation secret a little longer?? but God damn everything else was great. And the fricking pacing this episode was fricking GREAT!
We literally got the worst of every possible narrative line. I know the next hopium will be that Adam is going to be brought back at some point but I mean, is it really worth it to give Viv that power over our expectations of the show?
Vaggie doesn't know angels can be harmed >harmed >harmed >not even killed >FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ffs Viv. >The ANGEL who had her FRICKING EYE cut out didn't know ANGELS can be FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!
They lost a tiny group, why not send fricking everyone? Lucifer got his ass handed to him by the seraphim before, right? So just have fricking everyone go and get rid of the sinners.
>discussion on both episode 7 and 8
much worse than 1-6
Charlie was supposed to die and be reborn to open the path to judgement by God for admittance to heaven for the half breeds but it didn't happen. I think there was a rewrite because it was too on the nose.
Instead we got an army of Catholics (cannibals) using the power of god stolen from angels (their birthright power) to tear down the false church so that a new one could be rebuilt in its place (the point of the show). The myth that Adam is the real source of all people on earth is killed (stabbed to death) and replaced by the hybrid theory.
As is obvious, the cartoonish depiction of Satan (Sir Pentious) has to go in order for any real church based on the truth to take root.
>Charlie was supposed to die and be reborn to open the path to judgement by God for admittance to heaven for the half breeds but it didn't happen. I think there was a rewrite because it was too on the nose. >it's bad cause my headcanon!!!
why is this such a recurring thing with viewers of this show. it has so many flaws and yet you morons just rage about your shitty headcanons
Nah, it's completely reflective of the fact Adam is a shit leader who was so overconfident that he never realized he was giving them the tools for his own downfall.
No, it's just bad writing. Even if you go with this logic, at minimum other demons should've been defending themselves with the weaponry left behind. The show sort of hand-waved away that part in a lame way.
I understand that the appeal of this series isn't to be super thorough with the logic of its world-building, but even by the standards of this show a lot of the end-of-season reveals were out there. It just gets to the point where it makes it difficult to take the story seriously.
They explain that the difference now is that they have angelic weapons.
Why nobody thought of using angelic weapons against the angels before is a valid question though.
>They explain that the difference now is that they have angelic weapons.
I mean, the barrier itself is not an angelic weapon. Plus they didnt actually establish that Cherri's bombs are angelic weapons.
Say you are playing a video game and you end up in a fight with an Elemental
would your first thought to finding a weakness be hit that Elemental with its own element?
The only insult this really levies is that most of hell is dumb (which is not that far from what we see) otherwise Carmilla does actually give a pretty valid reasoning, most of the sinners who might stumble upon it probably don't know what the frick to do with it, so it makes sense the WEAPONS DEALER OF THE SHIT knows the most while it takes Alastor having to be told this from a mole (Eggboi).
I mean, Velvette clearly had a suspicion anyway so it wasn't the hardest kept secret, but it seems like a knowledge gap sort of issue that just paints most of hell denizens as idiots.
this was stupid most of the enemy were cambial towns people vs trained demon killers and somehow they won. Watching alastor get humbled made me harder than vox
God she is such a crybaby, if that makes her butthurt all the crticisms and ratings of Season 1 that aren't glowing praise are gonna make her slit her own wrists.
>Pentious dies pointlessly >Charlie wants to have a sad moment to mourn him after the battle >5 seconds later her dad steps in to stop that, proceeds to sing a happy optimistic song instead
OH KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW PENTIOUSgayS, NOT LIKE THIS!
That's not the point. The fact that his soul is still alive in heaven doesn't take away from the humiliation of his supposed "friends" getting completely over his death and sacrifice near immediately.
They didnt just get over it. Everyone is teary-eyed right after, Charlie sings about his sacrifice in the song, and they hang a portrait in his honor and all salute it.
maybe if I was an adhd zoomer i could see it work, but for my normal brain, going from a sad song morning his death to an optimistic-for-the-future-of-hell song in the span of 30 seconds is just way too dissonant.
Not even a vizvi hater, I like her shows for the most part. But that specific scene just felt way off.
The difference is that Star is a rebellious chaos gremlin and Charlie is more of a traditional nice girl who avoids conflict and only uses violence when necessary.
Can we just all agree at this point, by episode 5, anyone in the writers room GAVE UP trying to get ideas past Vivzie and they just nodded their heads and went along with it?
That is the worst offense to the writing. Every little thing after that was PREDICTABLE.
Yeah I don't know if I'm even going to bother with season 2 after this. While I'm super glad that Pentious was actually redeemed that I switched tabs out of shock when it happened, killing Adam off with that piece of shit janny Niffty was so fricking moronic my brain nearly clotted. This show went from mediocre to nearly-in-the-trash tier in the finale alone. The fact that Baxter is now prepped to be Pentious's replacement makes me very angry
Jesus said it is the greatest love, and his commandment to us, so it actually makes sense in the show and fits.
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
My immediate thoughts were >Thank god they don't leave us in suspense about if Pentious made it to heaven. God knows snake boy deserved it for that heroic sacrifice. >Lucifer Deus Ex Machina-ing that b***h was kinda lame... I like him well enough as a character but frick that was like a 180 from him. >The Vees watching it all unfold on TV without doing jack shit is a waste >Last two episodes had the weakest songs out of the whole run. >Seeing Adam's face made him lamer and I hate it. >I enjoy that at some level Niffty and Alastor seem to be 'friends' or as much of friends you can be in hell with such a presumed power differential >Pentious didn't get to double-bone the girl of his dreams but at least we know he totally could have.
Overall I'd still say this was a 6/10 experience for me. The biggest problem is that very little ever felt earned because it was only 8 episodes. Like we were never going on the journey with the characters, we were just getting the bullet points. How much more impactful it could have been. We could have 1-2 episodes of Alastor really trying to get closer to Charlie before he has the pissing match with Lucifer. More buildup to the meeting in heaven would have done wonders. Giving Pentious more time to show his redemption. Because it didn't 'Start With Sorry', that was it. After that musical number he was a changed snake man who's only questionable action was ordering weapons because he never learned to let his guard down played for comedy. The most complete arc went to Angel, but then again, it was like after Loser, Baby he was fully reformed and that was in episode 4. More struggle was badly needed. The Vees were underutilized and barely played a role at all. Vox especially. He has such fun fricking gimmick as the tele-evangelist of hell and they do so little with it. Carmine and the other Overlords do so little as well. The possible intrigue of her maybe being an angel is also out of the window the way she interacted with Vaggie.
I mean I don't even disagree. Casual Velvette was kind of a treat to see. And that Valentine seemingly ALWAYS wears his pimp coat. And the way she reacts to Vox and Val thinking about how to profit from the situation.
Yah the worst part of the short runtime is watching the rushed character development. Like for Alastor it's nice that they're giving him a genuinely softer side, but I think they showed too much of it too early. E7 felt like a complete tonal whiplash compared to E5.
Please at least tell me the smug deer butthole got BTFO, even a little.
I don't mind smug villains, but only when they're not smug and unbeatable 24/7.
He went toe to toe with Adam and nearly got killed with his guitar/double bladed axe so he retreated while making everyone think he was dead (i wish lol)
Adam gets a good hit on him making him retreat and Vox laughs at him for it, but otherwise he’s fine. Just goes to show he’s not super powerful despite how many Overlords he’s killed.
I bet he'll be very popular with the ladies in heaven. But they will make it a joke that he saves himself for Cherri. Well... this new heavenly version of himself, since that train left the station in hell.
I bet he'll be very popular with the ladies in heaven. But they will make it a joke that he saves himself for Cherri. Well... this new heavenly version of himself, since that train left the station in hell.
So far only Emily and Sera Know because for some reason out of all the places he could have manifested it was their private lunch room while they were there
Wait a minute…
Sir Pentious was brought back to life after Adam died…
Adam was the one who made Charlie’s Hotel a reality. He plotted his own death the whole time. Him, Lute, Lucifer, and Lilith worked together for the sinners to kill Adam.
Sir Pentious did an act worthy of being in Heaven. That's why he showed up in Heaven. Adam dying had nothing to do with it.
And also we don't know at what point Sir Pentious showed up. The show doesn't have to be shown in exact chronological order when multiple events are happening at once. That's like...normal cinema, bro.
I have a feeling that it's more like God has given up (or was never involved after Creation). Lucifer had given up on humanity and was just letting whatever happen, happen. It's possible God is also disillusioned.
HOWEVER, I find it unlikely the show would ever go to that. Most likely it's a God who has always been absent.
The characters mention God through turns of phrase, like Lucifer did in the last episode. Doubt they would write him saying God if God never existed.
So far only Emily and Sera Know because for some reason out of all the places he could have manifested it was their private lunch room while they were there
She didn't know they could get hurt from angelic weaponry >But when Lute-
She was being cast out from the angels. Probably thought that meant she was no longer protected
> I thought it was very high quality
How even? Nothing is set up, random things happen. Episode 7 is completely worthless other than random cannibal deus ex machina which was not set up at all in the show and the angelic weapon thing which absolutely destroys the whole setting.
I felt the last fight was executed well, animation-wise there was some standout moments, and I enjoyed the emotional angles they played with several characters >Episode 7 was useless apart from the parts that weren't useless
Even if you disagree with the direction the plot took it absolutely had a reason to exist
I guess Adam can still come back, Lute grabbed his halo and he smiled in the end. Plus Pentious revived in heaven, even if it wasnt built up at all. I guess Adam can revive in hell.
Adam is the only pure human in this show. The winners and the sinners both show the consequences of sin. While Adam was perfect in every way, without knowing sin. He was plotting his own demise so the sinners can be saved and Eve/Roo would no longer use the sinners to keep herself afloat in heaven.
Lute literally said to Lillith that Adam is dead and brought her his halo presumably as proof. He burned too bright for 2 seasons, I'm sorry. Best we can hope is a flashback episode.
How would you feel if Adam returns, but he's now a Sinner Demon stuck in Hell who grovels before Charlie to let him stay at the Hotel because he wants to get back to Heaven?
Several paths >Emily and others want to support the Hazbin Hotel now that they know redemption is possible, while Sera and the Exterminators want to maintain the status quo >Angel Dust, Husk Cherry and others have new hope that they can be redeemed, but it's still an uphill battle >Many denizens of Hell now want to also give redemption a shot, which upsets the balance of power, so the Vees and other overlords try and stop the Hotel >Whatever is going on with Lilith >Whatever is going on with Alastor
Now, what would be the conscequences of this discovery... shouldn't the monarchs of Hell be worried about this? The power whose they hold power over can just escape now
Figured Alastor probably wasn't sin level, but surprised he got owned like a little b***h. Unless his deal weakened his overall power, seems silly he talked such game.
There seems to be a profound misunderstanding there, even as bait. I think Adam is a piece of shit and I would never want to spend time with someone like that. But at the same time I was looking forward for every time he was on screen, talking shit, being the deer droppings out of Alastor, being a bro to his second in command, being kind of a dumbass giving away way too much in court etc. You can enjoy a character without condoning their actions or agreeing with them, that shouldn't be such a difficult concept to grasp.
I agree and I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about people who unironically see him as a role model. I also wish he didn't die, he really was one of the best characters.
I feel dumb for falling for a fake leak that said Renee Rapp AND Sara Bareilles would be in the last two episodes
Was too good to be true.
It should have been obvious when one of the songs wasn't named "Ready For This," which was already in a trailer.
Which peaks in the Vaggie/Lute fight by trying to fit in all the shit where she let's her live and it's all just perfunctory trope shit you're expected to take as read that some emotional thing just happened, until two milliseconds later when it doesn't matter anymore.
The whole episode is like that, but that's the worst part. You can see how they were trying to set up this shit in prior episodes, only to piss on the payoff. The Vaggie/Lute fight SHOULD have meant much more and COULD have given more time, (not that it's easy to give the first shit about Vaggie).
In Episode 7 when we're going to meet new character Rosie, and then Rosie says, 'Oh, let me tell you about NEW NEW character Susan", my heart just sank. We're on episode 7 and still bringing in more new characters. ffs Viv. And what did that do but just waste fricking time so Viv had to squeeze a divine war into one fricking episode? That would be like compressing the entire Battle of Yavin into the last two minutes of Star Wars.
Viv just doesn't know how to cut shit. If you're that squeezed for time, you need to be cutting out characters entirely, whole story elements you had planned entirely. This is what makes Viv a bad artist in the end. Her inability to just let shit go. Again to use the argininal Star Wars movie as an example, Lucas wasn't so stupid that he didn't leave the Biggs character on the cutting room floor, despite his connection to Luke, cut the Han/Jabba scene that to this day nobody gives a frick about. Viv can't let ANY of her shit go, so she just shovels it all in there no matter what it does to the whole thing. Rookie mistake. Idiot. Hack. Frick you Viv.
Charlie was less and less fun the more the 'muh war with Heaven' shit got talked about, and she was the core of the whole show. By the time it finally gets to the war, I was so uninterested in actually seeing it, that it's just not funny.
I think it could come back around if season two manages to just focus on the seeds that are already planted instead of sewing more, but yeah, if there's any critique I had it's that every episode felt like it had to give new characters spotlight rather than reigning things in and focusing on the tight core cast that we're still getting to know.
I get that they wanted to make the most out of what limited time they were given, but it's not hard to see what characters are relevant to the major story-beats of this season, and what characters were there because they were teased in early concept art ten years ago and the artist was excited to finally see them all animated.
The fricking war in one eight episode season was a stupid fricking idea.
You'd get more people interested with a smaller story that doesn't try to do too much. Would have been nice to get to know the characters and just hang out a bit with Charlie being cool and cute.
The worst part is, you can see natural 'breaks' where the episode could end. Pentious getting killed could have been the end of an episode halfway through the war to split it in two. Also why it feels like every episode is two compressed into one.
No time, no time, rush, rush, rush, so you go ahead and make shit up in your own head to fill in the gaps that Viv didn't devote any time to because we needed to hang out in Cannibal Town, have tea with Rosie, then talk about Susan.
They're seething and crying about perceived plotholes like "how come Adam isn't fricking me" and "why isn't Adam's wiener in my ai girlfriend's pussy right now"
>discussion on both episode 7 and 8
much worse than 1-6
Charlie was supposed to die and be reborn to open the path to judgement by God for admittance to heaven for the half breeds but it didn't happen. I think there was a rewrite because it was too on the nose.
Instead we got an army of Catholics (cannibals) using the power of god stolen from angels (their birthright power) to tear down the false church so that a new one could be rebuilt in its place (the point of the show). The myth that Adam is the real source of all people on earth is killed (stabbed to death) and replaced by the hybrid theory.
As is obvious, the cartoonish depiction of Satan (Sir Pentious) has to go in order for any real church based on the truth to take root.
>Charlie was supposed to die and be reborn to open the path to judgement by God for admittance to heaven for the half breeds but it didn't happen. I think there was a rewrite because it was too on the nose.
No. Adam was the one who wanted to be sacrificed. Look at this.
Like the Apostle, Lute would be without him for a time, until Adam returns.
I feel like there was no real point in making the head exterminator angel Adam since they did nothing with the concept before killing him off. His role could have just as easily been filled by some generic archangel commander guy and there wouldn't have been a real difference, plus it would erase the confusing, unexplained question of why the first human is a giant butthole who joyfully kills his own offspring for some reason.
Unless they're going to bring him back and do more with him.
The point is that he serves as an easy foil to anyone in the series that gets redeemed.
He's the first man who got into Heaven because he was the first man. Not even he knows exactly why, but it shows the flaws inherent in the system and how nobody else really knows how or why certain souls arrive in heaven.
No. Adam is good. He’s acting bad because he brainwashed himself into being bad. His plan from the exterminations was to get the sinners to kill him, so they will provide heaven the perfect sacrifice to be welcomed to the gates. He is the only human with no corruptions on him. He is more glorious than the Angels.
He is Adam, the savior of sinners. >Lute: It is done, Lilith. >Lilith (Eve): *Seethes*
Adam is coming back! He won the war against Roo.
Yes, motherfricker!
Now I know how the apostles felt when Christ died!!!!
I got played like a fricking fiddle from this degenerate furry Fujo. The staff knew Adam’s true nature and we didn’t.
He had the perfect life, the perfect death, and the perfect sacrifice. He was the lamb! The horned mask were symbols to signify him as the lamb of God! He died in the seventh year!
Adam died and broken the restriction that prevented sinners from being redeemed, and allowed them to enter heaven. Just like Jesus Christ did.
Same, the only problem with him is that he is fricking adam, they didn't exploit the connection with him and charlie, as she was his exes daughter, my headcanon is that viv imagined a lot of the concepts when she was still pretty inmature
7th is easily my favorite despite some weird things like Vaggie not knowing Angel Weapons can kill Angels despite her being ALMOST KILLED BY IT!! It had good pacing, good jokes, good music and had fun vibes. I enjoyed it... 8th though... Not so much. First off. What am I supposed to feel anymore? Because right now there is no tension, Pentious's "death" was so abrupt I burst out laughing. Adam was just a weak villain and WHY THE FRICK WASN'T LUCIFER THERE!? And Lucifer... He removes also so much tension now as he is pretty much the most powerful creature in Hell alongside Alastor apparently so there is no tension. Also why the hell Charlie did not start with using busted Dragons? Or why the frick are Cannibals somehow good against Exterminators? Exterminators are also apparently bunch of weaklings too as they can be killed so easily. It's so stupid. One thing for sure though. Ariel IS a good writer who got stuck with a very poor show.
>7th is easily my favorite despite some weird things like Vaggie not knowing Angel Weapons can kill Angels despite her being ALMOST KILLED BY IT!!
The assumption would be angels can kill angels and demons, while demons cannot kill angels at all.
But they are still surprised that Angel weapons harm them. WHEN THEY ALREADY KNEW THAT!! Also really? NOBODY ever hit an Angel with angelic weapon? HOW!? They leave them behind so how the frick were they not ever harmed by them? Also Carmilla was attacked by like 3 Exterminators so there should have been 2 more bodies... Also what was the point of Cannibals?
Angel weapons wielded by demons. The surprise is that the weapons themselves hold the property of being able to hurt them no mater who wields them, a fact that hurts the brains of everyone involved.
But still. What was the point of Cannibals? How do Heaven weapons and powers work when apparently being blasted by one CAN in fact send someone to Heaven. How the frick did NO ONE ever hit an Exterminator with an Angelic weapon in THOUSANDS of years.
I'd say 7/10 overall. Pretty rough in some places due to what must have been behind the scenes nonsense and V's overall inexperience. Hopefully season 2 is better. Also, the songs in 7 and 8 sucked balls.
I listened to the leaked songs and thought Alastor faked his death to get away from the hotel and kickoff the next step of his plan, but it turns out once Adam kicked his ass he just decided to sit things out. It's kind of funny and makes me like Alastor more, adds something to his character.
The alastor and adam duel is kinda neat cause they both think they're the hottest shit of heaven and hell so are both overly confident and weak to each other.
yes I know this is a cope trying to make the writing sound better than it is.
Did you miss the whole episode of whiny b***hing? Not like it was going to lead to anything else, even though dumping her ass and scissoring Emily in front of her would have been hot.
Really stupid that the hell citizens just quietly accepted their yearly genocides and never even thought of using the angel’s weapons against them this whole time. Shit writing, and Viv making a joke about it doesn’t make it any less shit.
The whole two episodes where just a vehicle for Adam to get btfoed because he is problematic. Literally all there is to it. Charlie and Vaggie drama isnt even explored.
>Pentious died but went to heaven >Vox lives and will frick shit up in season 2 >Adam died by janny
I don't know how to feel about this, did I half-lose?
I judge endings based on what leads the narrative to the ending. if it matches then I dont mind even if it wasnt my preferred outcome. But everything about both episodes was moronic.
If you want to be anal about it, I thought the show as a whole was mediocre and very poorly thought out. It became extra trite by the ending with the addition of even more clusterfrick included and the narrative being mangled by certain choices despite still having a very lackluster and nonexistent worldbuilding that causes things to make less sense.
Got killed by angelic weapon or some shit. This is just sounding like a desperate attempt to keep Adam around which, I totally get because frick he was entertaining with his time with Lute.
>Wont Adam just wake up in Hell as Sir Pentious did in heaven?
no because hell is earth and you return to nothingness if you don't rejoin God in heaven.
The way I'm thinking is that if your soul is killed by an angelic weapon you either die forever or wake up in heaven if your soul deserves it. Adam was evil and no longer deserved to be in heaven so he went to oblivion
Maybe, gives him a role in season 2 perhaps. Learning to not be a complete butthole or some such. Since everyone despises him he has to be super nice or he can be stabbed to death yet again by Nifty.
>Keekee is the key to the hotel! >Turns into a literal magic key >Lucifer was familiar with her in Ep. 5 and is the only one who actually uses her powers
What the frick is this thing?
this really feels like the end of season 3. so rushed.
also why the frick do they think rebuilding the hotel is going to help lmao. from both heaven and hell's perspective it should be pretty fricking clear your at war rn, better build fricking bunkers and trenches instead.
She has almost the same characterization as Poison Ivy from the Harley Quinn cartoon, but here's the thing: Ivy is an obvious hypocrite and only a straight man to off the walls crazy Harley and sometimes Clayface. She's a murderous psycho who delights in torture when she thinks she can justify it with her eco-terrorist cause. Vaggie has ZERO edge to her. She kept one very big secret, but with that gone, there's like literally nothing left now.
that's a good point yeah. They want her to do no wrong and be good and protective to Charlie always because she's Charlie's heckin wholesome and morally right dyke lesbian girlfriend, so she can't do anything fun or interesting at all.
I mean to stick with my example, Ivy was fiercely loyal to Harley until they grew distant in the last season, so that's not an immediate problem. But for all the bellyaching on Cinemaphile about HQ being full of mary sues, those two get called out for being shitty and wrong and hypcritical ALL THE TIME in universe. But then again, I'm not 100% sure what kind of show Hazbin wants to be.
While Alastor thinks the Hotel is wacky nonsense he's slowly warming up to the bunch there after spending the past few months with them. He then almost dies fighting Adam and snaps back to reality, so to speak, and realizes that this is still silly nonsense and he has to get out of his "deal" that's supposedly keeping him there as soon as possible before it ends up killing him.
What do you mean it went nowhere? He had another convo with Nifty where he expressed admiration for it, he's the one who got Charlie out of her depression and helped her lead the army to defend it, he sang (to rosie and himself so we know it wasnt to manipulate charlie like the dad song was) about how he sees promise in her and wants to guide her, and he fricking voodoo shielded the hotel as long as he could.
Hard for me to put a number to it. There are songs and individual moments that I'd say are honestly top tier, couldn't have been better.
But the show as a whole feels like two or more full seasons worth of content shoved into one. Like every other scene had to be introducing new characters and dynamics to add onto a pile of others that still haven't had time to bake. So every other episode had me contemplating how rushed the pacing is, but I'd be lying if I said I still didn't have fun watching it in the end.
I quite like the songs. Story was ass. I probably should've just done what I do with most musicals and just watch the song scenes and fan animatics, filling in the gaps with my imagination.
7/10 better than average but not in the top 10 best modern cartoons.
I'm actually interested in what happens to most of these characters, so that's a plus. Not dying in anticipation but fairly interested.
peaks with 6 and even before then it's a little bumpy, I'll give it a 5/10, with 2 points docked for episodes 7 and 8 and 2 points docked for pacing, in another world it could have been a 9/10 pretty conceivably and I hope the 2nd season will at least be good for the first 3/4 as well
Ep 1:
5/10, sucks as a introductory episode, until you remember the pilot is still canon, but it still sucks besides introducing us to elements that are important for the show.
Ep 2:
7/10, marginally better but the Vees take up a bit too much time from Pentious' portion.
Ep 3:
4/10, kinda boring setup that's only notable for bullying Alastor yet revealing to us how the angel in ep 1 died.
Ep 4:
8/10, I feel bad for people that don't like Husk telling Angel to get over himself given where he is in Hell, also if they don't like that, they got Angel being assaulted, given we were expecting an episode like this for years now, it's got good payoff for that shit finally.
Ep 5:
Lucifer carries this episode, pretty bluntly, despite that, 7/10.
Ep 6:
Vaggie in general kinda nukes this episode even though this is probably where people either start to like Charlie, or just roll their eyes.
7/10 despite that, Heaven is shown more and more as fallible like they needed to be, but you could already assume that much given one of them died.
Ep 7:
5/10, again, another setup episode, it's kinda gonna be carried by the 9/10 Finale.
Charlie going full leader warrior mode then immediately apologizing to people and bugging vaggie during the fight is extreme smooth brain character writing
>cucks Adam out of his first wife >wife is then revealed to have run away and chilling in heaven under Adam's watch
is Lucifer vs. Adam just an endless cycle of them trying to cuck the other
Which is why I wished he lived, would have been fun watching these two shit on each other and Charlie has to remind them that they both were screwed by woman.
>be Pentious >wants to bang one-eyed chick >do a Holdo Manoeuvre >prove that shit really does only have a one in a million chance of working
That gets you into Heaven? Wanting to impress some b***h you want to do a sex with?
Alright I haven't had time to read other reactions but here's my Adam cope. He's a human soul, not an angel. Angels when killed just die, but Pentious proves that a soul that dies to angelic power can be respawned elsewhere. My Adam cope is: Adam respawns in Hell in a different form, and has an emotional reunion with Lute at the end of next season. This is Anon's Adam Cope.
Well I think that "Rosie is Lilith" leak is now debunked. That's definitely the OG Lilith in heaven. But Eve impersonating Lilith might not be off the table, since the woman in Charlie's flashback didn't fricking look like her.
Adam defeated Roo.
He is the one that allowed Sir Pentious to come to heaven.
Remember what Lute said when he died, or how truly happy he was?
His mask was foreshadowing the fact he is the perfect lamb, the perfect sacrifice for all sinners.
He is based! He tricked everyone.
>since the woman in Charlie's flashback didn't fricking look like her.
I think that's a false lead considering Lute called Charlie Lilith's daughter. Also once her back is turned the animation goes back to looking like regular Lilith with horns for a second, seems they just didn't want the attention on Lilith in the flashback.
We may still see a "Lilith" in season 2 since Lucifer confirmed he fricked Eve, unless that was just him messing with Adam. Eve was created to be Lilith's replacement, after all, if she got with her first husband why not with her second? I doubt Luci is ware Lilith is living it up in Heaven, and he is lonely, perfect for a body double to step in for her own ends.
Ofc this is all just speculation. I think killing Adam off was a waste though tbh. Would've been interesting to see the dynamic between the four continue. There are still many questions.
>I think killing Adam off was a waste though
I really wanted him to be inna hospital in hell getting better in the final scene, but I guess Katie Killjoy’s report confirms he’s dead
Jesus the Sir Pentious fans on Twitter are pissed about how he was handled kek
Even the Japs which says a lot because Nips don't usually voice their complaints about this shit on Twitter
They don't like that he's presumably going to get less screentime in heaven, they wanted him to give it an honest go in hell with the main cast and they dislike that he was basically used as a pawn for the main character's' development
I mean that's pretty fair. Though I feel like that was never gonna happen after the first 6 episodes seeing how he was already his most wholesome bean-self.
I think Alastor is gonna get annoying real quick after this season now that he's just going to be trying to be big and powerful and probably sabotaging the hotel nonstop, maybe the final season will have his real redemption but it'll be completely rushed and be some power of friendship shit. never trust no "asexual"
but god does exist on the universe he is just kind of depressed since the whole lucifer thing and doesn't intervene in his creation anymore
funny enough azathoth exist too but as his shadow but I don't like how he is not portrait as a blind idiot and just an idiot
I mean... kind of. I meant more like golden throne Emperor when he was kinda presumed dead only for the new lore to reveal that he was conscious the entire time and COULD have communicated but was just too disappointed by the Horus Heresy or some shit to lead mankind actively.
Viv should just stick to the puppet idea, like God always hides behind something and talks using a puppet since one very famous Bible facts is that most people can't look directly at the face of God
>everyone's cope is that season 1 had atrociously rushed pacing because Viv feared the show could be cancelled at any moment >because the series was successful it gets renewed for infinity seasons >new seasons release and it turns out the pacing is still rushed dogshit because Viv just can't write
I can really envision this happening.
If amazon really wants to get the big bucks out of this show proper they should wise up and kick the dumbass off and get some proper writers, because she really is the biggest detriment to her own series. If season 2 ends up with the same shoddy pacing and storytelling I can see even the biggest fans getting sick of it real quick.
So, where the frick was Lucifer for the whole of episode 7 and the first half of 8? He just randomly appeared when the plot needed him to keep Charlie alive.
Despite the Niffty thing, Adam went out with more dignity than Pentious at least. He got to dunk on everyone but Lucifer, including that smug smiling jackass Alastor, and even after getting shivved he got a tender, sincere moment with Lute. I hope it's a fakeout but he was at least formidable and died a warrior's death.
>Lucifer: Nobody messes with my daughter! >Shows up late after she's been messed with >Is the most powerful and easily defeats b***hes (of course) >No reason for him showing up late
Even Scarlet Witch had a reason for not being in the battle in 'Infinity War', even though black b***h is like "Why has this b***h been the whole time?"
>Alastor by himself repelled the whole angel army >They didnt do this before this extermination
why tho. I get that they want to set up stuff for future mysteries but half this shit is never going to get resolved.
Anons need to accept that modern storytelling is putting a bunch of mystery boxes into your stories and wait until the public forgets about them to hit them with new FOMO stories
He still didn't believe in the hotel and didn't want to defend it. It was only when Charlie was in true danger did he show up. He was willing to help her get a meeting with Heaven, but he still didn't see Hazbin Hotel as something worth protecting.
I think Sir Pentious might have changed his mind, too.
No. He won… he defeated the apple of good and evil. He defeated Roo.
Adam knew what would happen and he planned it so the sinners can end his life, providing the heavens the perfect sacrifice for their sins.
between the bright colors, musical numbers, and animated gore, this show would be great on psychedelics. Great idea anon, I know what I'm doing tomorrow
to all the people saying adam is going to appear again or its all like "part of a plan" or something please don't be moronic, this show is written by a self hating libtard and she has the ego of a white fat woman in 2024, there's a reason why season 1 is a 5/10
Loved the final 2 episodes.
Vox enjoying Alastor getting btfo was so fun.
Lilith looks like she's either in Limbo or a corner of Heaven by being gone for 7 years.
I cried happy for the reprise of More Than Anything and Carmilla's song and dance was spicy but clearly Vaggie didn't employ those tactics and won due to the environment instead of going for the neck like Carmine said.
Transformations were cool as frick.
I'm guessing Adam is permadead now which means Michael or Gabriel would be season 2's mid boss before Alastor and Lilith.
Aghhhhhh so good. Nifty punking the kill seemed stupid to me though, very anticlimactic.
Emily just the purest cinammon roll who clearly didn't need to help Charlie like she promised but she gets a pass for being too cute.
Overall a great ending and worth rewatching for all the quick plot bookmarks into season 2.
No. Anon. Adam is the most beautiful human in this show. He died for his children to come to heaven.
What do you think the horn’s symbolize?
He is the lamb!
Pentious by all rights should be permadead himself. If Viv really wanted to capitalize on the idea of having your fate change even in the afterlife, Adam should revive in hell to mirror Pentious' revival in heaven. And I'm not just saying that to cope with losing Adam OH GOD WHY!?
>Adam should revive in hell to mirror Pentious' revival in heaven.
I mean, i'm on board since Adam said he really digs the tunes and vibe down there besides it being "eww". I could see him come back maybe in season 3 if greenlit.
>Adam should revive in hell to mirror Pentious' revival in heaven
Pentious was just magic beamed to death, not stabbed by an angelic weapon, so it makes perfect sense for Adam to be permadead while pentious isn't.
Sorry adamgays, that's what you get for backing the guy with only one dick
Why the frick wouldn't a concentrated divine vaporization beam done by the leader of the angelic kill squad not pack the same effect as a more produced heaven weapon anyone can nab?
one is weapon infused with the ability to destroy souls
one isn't
pretty simple. If Adam could end souls with his beam, why wouldn't every extermination just have been him flying around beaming everyone on the ground?
So Rosie is actually Lilith and is Charlie's mom? According to the leaks that is. She has the same sort of texture on her neck that the angels do. So the scene with Lute and "Lilith" at the end - was that Eve? Who does Alastor have the deal with? How much does Alastor know about all this? The wait for season 2 is going to kill me.
Ok so, Pentious never apologized for whatever landed him in hell in the first place. We dont even know what he did to end up in hell. And yet, just because he charged a massive ship into Adam, without even knowing if he was going to die or not, he gets instantly redeemed. What the actual frick is this show man. I like Pentious as much as the next person, but this was entirely not earned.
But he had been doing other acts towards redemption for nearly the entire season. This was the coup d'grace of his redemption act.
And yes, he definitely thought he was going to die. That's why he kissed Cherri and told her he loved her.
We don't know why he's in Hell, and nobody knows how redemption works (including the characters in the show). The idea that he has to repent is explicitly Christian. Redemption is not the same as penitence.
>other acts towards redemption for nearly the entire season. This was the coup d'grace of his redemption act.
Being awkward and not building weapons of mass destructions doesnt really count >The idea that he has to repent is explicitly Christian. Redemption is not the same as penitence.
It is explicitly said in the show that sinners need to cleanse their souls to ascend. Apparently random act of heroism just cleans you.
The worst thing about this is that there was no focus whatsoever on Sir Pentious for the whole season, no characterization about him whatsoever other than trying and failing to be a big EVIL boss in hell and wanting to bang a random woman. What did he even do to work on himself towards penitence?
>It is explicitly said in the show that sinners need to cleanse their souls to ascend.
1.it's not, one of the big points of the show is that no one really knows how one gets into heaven or hell, even the highest angels only have their headcanons to work with
2.still, no need of repentance was ever implied
>What did he even do to work on himself towards penitence?
1.he willingly sacrifice his life
2.nobody knows if penitence is necessary or not
Adam given Sir Pentious the right to be in Heaven. Because he knew that a sinner’s works were nothing but filthy rags. No sinner can earned their way to heaven. But through’s Adam’s perfect sacrifice, they can.
If I had to guess by his character through out most of the season specifically how he treats His Eggs his biggest offense was probably Selfishness and he probably used someone as his own personally meatshield at some point in his human life so the fact that he sacrificed himself for once was probably enough for redemption.
Also compared to everyone else he was probably the least evil Since his entire shtick was acting tough but never succeeding as opposed to someone like Angel who had already over indulged in Hells shit by the time he joined the hotel or Husk and Nifty who wouldn't even be there if it weren't for Alastor.
> his entire shtick was acting tough but never succeeding
He commands a giant flying warmachine which we have seen, in the pilot, is entirely capable of demolishing full cityblocks woth of people. He is deadlier than 90% of the sinner population and has probably killed more sinners than 90% of the sinner population.
Literally what is even going to happen to season 2, not even in a "oh boy anythings possible!" way but in a "there is so much shit that needs to accounted for that inevitably will be ignored" way because this show is made by a emotionally stunted idiot who still hasn't bothered to make a lick of sense of how the premise works, yet immediately charged into a "Heaven vs Hell" arc in the FIRST SEASON
The vees, I mean did you watch the episode or not?
They're very clearly teasing the Vees playing a much bigger role while second anon is pretty right on the money that it should be backstory season finally.
Give more than 8 25 minute episodes then it probably won't feel like a rushjob.
That's honestly been the biggest real issue, pacing and it's entirely down to Viv working in a seemingly tight constraint than what she has in mind for the show.
>Cannibal thing out of nowhere >Pentious redemption out of nowhere >Lute and Adam characterization just dropped >Lucifer being a literal deus ex machina >Alastor being able to kill angels without angelic weaponry >Just fight back lul >the angels just being jobbers >Why did heaven even sanction this? >permadeath? >hell is not bad in itself >and a lot of other things
It was good but it was a tonal shit from season 1. If you like season 1 there isn't a guarantee you'll like season 2. Fig's final song is fricking good
Are you new to the concept of a 'heroic sacrifice'? Clearly dying twice isn't it, otherwise ALL the demons killed in exterminations would go to heaven.
Its not if you die twice its if you are killed specifically by Angelic Weapons because for some reason Adam disintegrating Pentious with Holy Light wasn't enough for some reason and now He's in heaven
Given that he popped up in a room with Em and Sera instead of showing up at the gates to meet St Peter (as we saw would be the norm for arrivals in episode 6), and Em explicitly said she was going to be working on charlie's plan, it was clearly divine intervention on Em's part.
I dont see why youre confused. you have to be a serious fricking moron to not catch on to that
They had to have a seraph and half-seraph double-team him to win. He would have solo'd otherwise. Did you see that big punch shattering Alastor's gay ass little shield? Fricking metal as frick!
You guys are forgetting a small detail of his death sera had one job, one directive: keep heaven and all winner's souls safe and sound
Adam was essentially empowered and sent to a dangerous place with potential to die. And Adam is a citizen of heaven that died.
She failed her job in the worst way possible
Forgot to add SHE SENT A FRICKING HUMAN SOUL TO DIE IN HELL LIKE A SOCIOPATH
SHE'S FRICKED
Silly of you for thinking that the writer would have enough brainpower to have this thought pop in the cavern that is her head, all the director thinks of him is that he's a big dumb dumb bad guy so no one will care that he was offed, also what
>everyone actually hated Adam so they don't care
t. Viv
Did you know that Jesus Christ is the second Adam?
In this show, Jesus wouldn’t need to be in Adam’s place, because he was sinless. Perfect. Every winner looks inhuman except HIM, because they were still affected by the wages of sin.
He came to hell as a lamb (his mask).
And to die as their savior.
>hey dad, my friend Angel Dust has this contract with abusive b***h, thing you can just uh ... tear that off, being the king of Hell and all? >that would be unfair Charlie, what would hellborn think of me? Oh, who am I kidding? Haha, I don't care about that!
In a lot of devil media, even the devil is bound by his own deals. Magic contracts in general are one of those above-all-else deals because it otherwise kills narrative tension if they can be broken easily. its "big fricking shit" magic along with wish magic
Lucifer could kill Valentino and free Angel that way, but thats probably not what Charlie wants
In a lot of devil media, you don't have Lucifer being an easy trump card that is your friend. He should be able to break contracts between measly sinners.
Hell, like you said, he could just torture Valentino a bit.
I'm glad I got to livepost about S1 with you guys, even if the show itself is just hot garbage. Makes me want to dig through the archive for Helluva Boss threads whenever an episode released.
Anon. Adam wanted to die the whole time in HH. His enemy were not the sinners. It was Roo. And he paid for the sins in full. So they can be redeemed and enter heaven.
That’s why he is Viv’s and the staff’s favorite character.
Adam given Sir Pentious the right to be in Heaven. Because he knew that a sinner’s works were nothing but filthy rags. No sinner can earned their way to heaven. But through’s Adam’s perfect sacrifice, they can.
Viv is REALLY gonna have to work herself out to give us a justification of why Heaven doesn't send every fricking Archangel possible to destroy everything, and no, Pentious getting reedemed is NOT good enough
The exterminations were unsanctioned by heaven. Sera went renegade on that for reasons we don't know yet. If sending the Archangels was an option why didn't they carry them out instead of Adam and his cadre of killhungry b***hes?
>Sera went renegade on that for reasons we don't know yet
She was supposedly scared of Hell growing too powerfull and invading Heaven, and she got proven RIGHT, now all of Hell knows that Angels can be fought back and killed and it's obvious that they are gonna use this, this manner is now should concern all of Heaven enough to take action
Doesn't matter at all, Heaven SHOULDN'T take the risk of Hell now going even more powerfull and try to start another war after such slaughter, and what Emily or the demons will say it's almost irrelevant
That's moronic. Why would the human souls in Heavon be on board with any of this? Especially when there's the evidence that demons can be reformed in their midst. Sera's hands are tied on that as well, Pentious is a regular angel now.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The people that do not wish to be redeemed come to the gates via portal or something >They start conquering , heaven, killing Angels.
3 months ago
Anonymous
see
For one thing far as we know demons have NO WAY to invade Heaven even. Lucifer didn't bring her there, he only made contact and got her a portal there. Heaven is under ZERO risk.
For the moment. You think all of Hell now knowing that they can kill heavenly beings doesn't mean they won't at some point attack Heaven?
3 months ago
Anonymous
can anyone even get to heaven from hell without them opening a portal? probably nobody in hell, maybe except Charlie or Luci, is capable of that and they won't go on the offensive.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Satan probably could.
3 months ago
Anonymous
there's no reason to assume that
3 months ago
Anonymous
Satan is a fallen angel the same as Lucifer who has been in heaven in the scriptures.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Satan is a fallen angel
not in the show's universe for all that we know
also even if he turn out to also be one, there's no reason to think her would have such power
>the scriptures.
not cannon in the show's universe
>How was she proven righ
That Hell is too dangerous and unpredictable, after this demostration of strength, who is to say that now Lucifer is not gonna try to fight Heaven again? now that Demons have a chance of fight and even KILL Angels? Heaven SHOULDN'T take the risk of Hell now going even more powerfull and try to start another war after such slaughter, and what Emily or the demons will say it's almost irrelevant
For one thing far as we know demons have NO WAY to invade Heaven even. Lucifer didn't bring her there, he only made contact and got her a portal there. Heaven is under ZERO risk.
>angels do extermination because for centuries (maybe millenia) they thought they were invincible >one extermination a bunch of them die >"oh frick we can die? Let's not do this anymore"
Seems pretty straightforward dumbass
Yeah, anons really want to levy any bullshit complaint they can when the simplest observation is actually right there.
Hell, I can go even further and suggest that.. Why would SERA want this shit to continue after getting blown out so hard? The only reason they're probably gonna come back is that Lute takes over.
The extermination was supposed to be a super secret thing that only the Exorcists knew about Adam blowing the cover on whole operation probably put Sera in bigger shit than the Demons since you can make the argument with the Angels Being the instigators that the Demons only acted out in self defense.
And judging by everyone elses reactions during the court Season Adam and the Exorcists are probably the Biggest buttholes in Heaven.
Just some sinner that made a big deal. Lilith is still the best candidate, 7 year absence and odd duty to the Hotel.
Amused by all the fricking schizos that kept screaming Liltih was another character in disguise, Rosie, Eve for some reason. Some people really need to take their meds.
Just saw both
As a Charlie stan, I'm grateful that they learned to have her take off her extremely cringey shoulderpad top for a good portion of the show.
I liked the show. I found it entertaining. That's more than you can say for most shows.
>I didn't even notice that since idc much about Angel Dust
Damn you're right
I think the Vees SUCK
Those instagram posts were so cute but I like it better that Vox has to wrangle Val's impulsive tard fits
I don't think Val would ever dare to hit Vox now
Sure I linked it before but these threads go by so fast
archiveofourown org / works / 53329108
I wanted to see how things ended before I wrote the 2nd chapter but this will primarily an "improve canon but also you get to have a romance/sex with Alastor" fic with a reader character that's also my OC but we keep it 2nd person because it's fun to write in and I like letting other people enjoy if they want (and I hate bland nobody reader inserts typically) I also started on an AU smut fic with Vox and Val I will eventually finish since I realize my character's powers could be exploited by them but really I just want them to rape me but who doesn't lol
Wait, so the process we see for redeeming a soul is >Change yourself so that you are a good person by some unknown metric >Die permanently
The final jump there seems like a rather big leap of "faith".
Unless Pentious was simultaneously appointed to a higher position? He did spawn right next to Sera, Emily, and an empty third chair in a place of seeming importance, rather than at the gates.
adam disguised himself as that one b***h in the bible whose husband dies so her father in law promises his other son will knock her up, but that son pulls out and cums on the ground every time they frick so God kills him and then the father in law promises his other son but that son is too young so they wait a few years and then the son is old enough but doesn't frick the woman so she pretends to be a hooker and fricks the father in law on a business trip and has his baby
and lute isn't in a disguise but she does grow a mustache in s2
They are selfish pricks, kind of the point. Might be interesting to see slight turnarounds after the battle, and morseo if Heaven admits redemption is possible. That would be a big advertising spot for Vox. His angelic protection thing was literally fricking nothing but redemption is something he can advertise for more people to click on.
I think it would be more the animators, just have a few screens in the background mention it from time to time, either as the Hotel, or the heavenly messages like the Cherub commercials from HB, was always wondering how the frick that worked.
I thought he just had a proposal to be a Vee, but they took a photo together and he kept it, so they definitely were closer than just acquaintances. It wasn't like Lex Luthor offering a deal to Superman, they did get along at some point. That makes it doubly interesting.
>ALASTOR IS MISSING >LoL never mind he is just right there
lol what was even the point of that, I was expecting him to just stay hidden until some big reveal in next season
They needed him to sing about his motives (a bad choice imo) so they had to have him be alone for a bit. Being alone after getting rekt makes sense since his whole thing is never appearing weak or out of control. Once he recouped, he'd naturally return back asap to keep up appearances
Yeah, I really can't argue that it fits him as the joke character, it's just me malding because it was insulting but it doesn't make it not the perfect way to kill him off.
They're assuming Alistor was the only one that actually stood a chance and now they think that since he's out of the way they're going to just steam roll everyone else. In other words they're preemptively celebrating.
There have been power vacuums since the last extermination, Rosie tries to give Alastor the heads up on one in particular that she knew of, and the vees saw Alastor get fricked and assume he's going to be in a weakened state for a minute
Are you suprised?
it was already mentioned in a previous episode that they are arrogant morons who will probably die to their own Overconfidence at some point.
So Alastor "dies" and no one gives a frick really, then Pentious dies and everyone freaks out and starts crying (I guess cause they saw it happen?) but then in the song later it seems like they are only referencing Pentious. I know Husk is chained by him so maybe that's how they knew Alastor was still alive but then Charlie was surprised when he showed up later in the song.
Everything was moving so fast and too much shit was happening that I didn't even register the little goat guy got offed, but got annoyed when other anons pointed it out. It was a REALLY fricking stupid and totally unnecessary decision
I just wanted Charlie and Lucifer to care about it a little, considering the implication that they go way back. Hell, even when Charlie is crying in her room “alone,” she still lets Razzle and Dazzle in to comfort her. I was almost kind of expecting their backstory to go all the way back to Heaven with Lu since they kinda look like lambs.
God, what if alastor was an angel that made a deal out of sheer bordem and got sent to hell for shots and giggles, but realized he didn't like being on a leash.
Camilla introduces three problems within the space of like 30 seconds: >Confirms Vaggie should know better than anyone that angels can be "harmed", but somehow doesn't
It's almost like Viv is going out of her way to create stupid, unnecessary holes in her story, and then instead of fix them, unnecessarily highlight her own stupid shit.
>"It's not rocket science" to figure out Vaggie is an angel
It's almost like Viv is going out of her way to create stupid, unnecessary holes in her story, and then instead of fix them, unnecessarily highlight her own stupid shit.
>recounts story of how she killed the angel >you see her and her daughters surrounded by five angels >she kills one >what happened to the other four >why did Heaven not know who did it, then have to find the body later? >if she wanted to keep it secret so as not to bring destruction down up her and her daughters she would have had to kill all of them >but only one angel is dead >she says some shit about buying her daughters time to escape >so the other four angels went after her daughters >how would they survive that? >how would the angels still not figure out who killed the angel?
It's almost like Viv is going out of her way to create stupid, unnecessary holes in her story, and then instead of fix them, unnecessarily highlight her own stupid shit.
Frick you Viv. It's almost like she thinks she lampshading holes in her story in her own mind, but is just pointing out dumb shit she could easily fix instead. Either that or she's just oblivious, and I don't know which is worse.
>Confirms Vaggie should know better than anyone that angels can be "harmed"
Yeah, no, we all universally agree it's dumb, at least It's Vaggie, who is not that likable to begin with, but yeah no, there's no defending this.
>It's not rocket science
That whole portion was a jab at the fact Vaggie wasn't originally meant to be an Angel but because of fans pointing out her eye, and her weapon precisely like Carmilla did, she changed it. Plus, it's not a unnecessary hole, ever since the ending of Episode 5 they were reminding people she was an Angel with her reaction to Charlie wanting to go to heaven, and then her entire appearance in Episode 6 just being her coping with that secret she didn't tell Charlie.
Complain about the fact it's just unnecessary drama, that much I agree with, and even then, Charlie is only mad that Vaggie held the truth from her more than she killed her people (even if it does start factoring in BECAUSE Vaggie lied.)
>Implying the angels didn't get scared after seeing one of their own fricking decapitated or were fended off by the perfectly capable Carmilla.
I'm sorry anon, it's not a hard leap in logic to see what happened.
>I'm sorry anon, it's not a hard leap in logic to see what happened.
Okay, so they run away in the version of shit you just made up in your own head, and then what ALSO told nobody because they were afraid to admit it I guess, but ALSO Viv didn't take even a single frame to show that happening because WHY again ... ?
You see how ridiculous this shit gets? You have to guess and build a house of cards in your own mind to even make it work by any kind of logic.
Also people who do this kind of thing and have their own "logical" version of what they think happened are prone to have Viv just come along with some morono tweet and tell them, "No, that's wrong", and then where are you?
Also people who do this kind of thing and have their own "logical" version of what they think happened are prone to have Viv just come along with some morono tweet and tell them, "No, that's wrong", and then where are you?
We're not guessing that much anon.
Especially since the battle looks over, it's just there was a few lingering angels, and given Carmilla's capabilities, I'm subscribing more to the she fended them off and made them frick off idea rather than she still let them frick around and endanger her daughters.
It's not that hard of an assumption, and it doesn't need to be, it does not at all seem that hard to run from Angels especially for daughters of a weapon's dealer who probably could be safely guarded once they reach a safehouse.
Also, I do not give a frick if Viv tried to correct people making sound logical conclusions to fill the gaps she didn't bother (nor needed to in some of these ass complaints you guys make up) to fill in, death to the author and all.
You're just working yourself up the wall for something that's not that big of a deal actually, not even Adam actually knew they had a weakness to angelic weapons, if anything you should complain about that more, he's either REALLY fricking stupid (canon), or no one actually tested the weapons properly (not canon)
Oh hi Viv. No what I'm saying is instead of wasting time on bullshit, you could just put that information in. I know that you know some moronic reason in your own head, (maybe), but you can't assume the audience knows it. Rookie mistake.
Basically you introduced your own problem for no reason. You could have had her fighting one angel right from the start, but you wanted them to be 'surrounded' so made it five, and then when five was an inconvenient number, you just changed it to one again.
Otherwise you'd see at least one frame of the other angels being shocked and flying away in the background or whatever.
>Y-y-y-you're viv!
Good to know you really don't have much of an argument other than just strawmanning that Viv is always arguing with you, schizo.
It's not that big of a problem that Carmilla handled five Angels, once she decapitates one, it's easy to see the angels b***hing out.
But go ahead and cry some more about it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Viv spaz out >Viv confirmed >claims I didn't make an argument even though I did >Viv double confirmed
Lay off the burgers you fat b***h.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't bother to retort anything said >"Y-y-y-you're viv!" >Gets called out for being a schizo over Viv. >"Y-Y-Y-Y-YOU'RE DOUBLY VIV!"
Take your meds
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why would I need meds Viv, you're the neurotic psycho b***h.
>Yeah, no, we all universally agree it's dumb, at least It's Vaggie, who is not that likable to begin with, but yeah no, there's no defending this.
Even if Vaggie knew demons could hurt angels, Vaggie couldn't say it because she wasn't going to reveal that she was an exorcist. Also until after alastor's deal was made, Charlie nor Vaggie would have okayed a battle, so it's not even worth her thinking about.
Vaggie had no idea demons could hurt angels and no reason to believe. Shed never seen a demon hurt an exorcist in all of her raids. She only knew another angel hurt her.
In a better paced show, Carmilla would tell her something she didn't know, or have some way for her to get her wings back. Even if it's just some gay little pep talk specifically about that where she feels like she can't fight effectively anymore without her wings, and like Carmilla knows something about angel self-healing abilities and that she can do it if she focuses/motivated/etc.
Angels regenerating their wings whenever they're fulfilled or enlightened or by the power of love or whatever is a pretty common trope in shows that have angels, so it's not surprising.
But yeah that part was pretty lame and the show would have been better without the whole vaggie carmella dance fight b plot. Or without vaggie in general.
I didn’t even mind the song or the dance sequence, but I was seriously distracted during it by thinking of how pointless and unnecessary it was. Nothing was communicated in that song that couldn’t have been covered by like one sentence of regular dialogue.
It was definitely just there because viv and the writers thought people would like vaggie more than anyone did and because they could use any of the other hotel reside ts during that b story because then it would be a "surprise" when they were still at the hotel
I like stephanie beatriz in some of her TV roles but she had no charisma as a VA.
>I like stephanie beatriz in some of her TV roles but she had no charisma as a VA.
This tbh senpai
There was not one sequence with Vaggie where it sounded like Stephanie wanted to be there
That's the problem, insert trope, just expect you to take it as read.
It's like doing a vampire movie and not establishing your rules because you know vampires right? But there is different lore, like silver, but sometimes that's only for werewolves. So you can't just have characters know for sure that silver works and bet their life on it, because you wouldn't do that IRL.
Well that was lousy, I'll check clips of season 2 when it comes out in three years with Vox and Pentious in them since the writing sure as hell isn't going to get any better. Take care lads
I wonder how the pacing would feel if this were released gradually online at the same slower pace something like helluva boss is. Obviously it would still feel rushed when watched in sequence, but I feel like with a few months between episodes the timeline would at least feel more natural.
Yeeah, agreeing with [...]
If Viv could pace it out better, I think she could at least have managed that, this feels like it's Amazon making her peddle out this shit far too quickly with not enough space to do so.
Kek, it was always gonna be 8, can't wait to see the cope when season 2 is shit too.
Yeeah, agreeing with [...]
If Viv could pace it out better, I think she could at least have managed that, this feels like it's Amazon making her peddle out this shit far too quickly with not enough space to do so.
Oh for sure, I have no doubt amazon was in control of the release schedule. To be honest I'm glad episodes were as spread out as they were instead of all 8 dumped at once.
I'm not speculating about who had control over the release schedule, just thinking about how someone could have their writing affected when they're trained on episode-by-episode online releases. With months of people discussing and thinking about each of these episodes in between each release, what seems like breakneck pacing now would probably feel way more natural.
Not saying this as either a defense or a criticism, just musing.
I doubt it was Viv's choice, Amazon probably wanted to make sure retention and viewership remained hyped to make as much money as possible.
If Viv could pace it out better, I think she could at least have managed that, this feels like it's Amazon making her peddle out this shit far too quickly with not enough space to do so.
I’m almost curious what it is Nifty’s backstory is, but I’m also pretty convinced that the writers never even came up with one for her, and she exists solely as a vehicle for gags.
Gonna be really disappointing when season 2 starts killing them off or making them as unlikable as possible because Viv gets pissy when people like her villains too much.
Where the frick was Lucifer the whole time? "Sorry I was late!" does not begin to cover it when people died Black person
Vaggie never once considered shanking a b***h after she, herself, got shanked? Not to mention that she very visibly bleeds just from getting her head bashed in on a decidedly non-angelic surface
Why bother transforming Razzle and Dazzle just for them to get jobbed in 17 seconds? What was with the earrape bass boosted roar?
Why play Pentious' death for laughs and try to make it a tear jerker within FIVE ENTIRE SECONDS?
Was Sera not actively blocking souls from being redeemed? Was there SERIOUSLY not even one single worthy soul in hell that died over the entire span of humanity?
Why the frick does Adam keep saying he's not a "mortal soul" when he is explicitly a human? The first human, sure, but human all the same.
What's with Carmine's bullshit excuse about the weapons? "Sinners with angelic weapons weren't eager to test them on angels" feels like the polar opposite of what certified psychopaths with brand new, shiny knives made of otherworldly metal would do
Why waste all that screentime on the Vees? It established nothing except the fact they exist
This shit desperately needed at LEAST double the episodes if not more
>Where the frick was Lucifer the whole time? "Sorry I was late!" does not begin to cover it when people died Black person
Yeah, you've got to love how Lucifer is cheering up Charlie about Pentious being dead, the guy who is basically responsible for showing up seconds after. Gotta love how he let's his daughter get the shit kicked out of her too.
>Vaggie never once considered shanking a b***h after she, herself, got shanked? Not to mention that she very visibly bleeds just from getting her head bashed in on a decidedly non-angelic surface
All the justifications about Vaggie being fallen, but still has gold angel blood. Paper cut would have exposed her.
>Why bother transforming Razzle and Dazzle just for them to get jobbed in 17 seconds? What was with the earrape bass boosted roar?
Yeah lame.
>Why play Pentious' death for laughs and try to make it a tear jerker within FIVE ENTIRE SECONDS?
Everything, every emotional beat was rushed to the point of infinitesimal non-existence. It's like those quantum virtual particles that last so brief a time they barely even exist. That's what this is Quantum Virtual Drama, where you get: >a quantum of drama >a quantum of sorrow >a quantum of levity >a quantum of happiness
And they all annihilate each other out of existence immediately.
What do you guys want in season 2? For me >Honestly I'd like to see more of Alastor hurting Husk to show how much of a monster he is like the show keeps hinting at >Human backstory for Husk/Angel/Nifty/Pentious >Vees shenanigans, Valentino singing >Lucifer and Lilith interactions beyond just the season finale >Baxter replacing Pentious in the hotel but I have little hope because it looks like Cherri is gonna be that
What happened?
Adam dies, i think.
link to eps or didn't happen
https://encr.pw/ygwty8utfdxkiygvhnlpo5ewse5fvvckytf
Lute is gonna survive right anons?
the episode comes out later but the songs (audio only) are already online and people are theorizing
Lute's def gonna live. her voice actor said so.
Charlie gets mad at Vaggie and tells her to leave because she is a genocider but then she is told to forgive her or some shit and she does and Vaggie b***h slaps Sera and wins the war and Emily gives them the lesbian trophy of female empowerment.
Yas queen
ALL LEAKED SONGS
It's shit, what kind of story was this show even trying to tell anyway?
Still an hour left.
I am sleepy
What's the chances that the leaker was Vivze?
10 MINUTES
any one have a link ?
Maggot wait for it to be pirated wait for like 1 more hour
Watch your tone bawd
Don't bawd shame me you disgusting man prostitute
>imagine giving money to a rape apologist
Red Wing standing by. It truly hazbin an honor.
FLYING b***hIN’ SKELETON STANDING BY. IT HAZBIN A WILD RIDE.
The episodes still haven't gone up on prime yet.
>First joke is about Vaggie's breasts
I already hate it.
did the snak die?
Yes
pics or it didn't happen
I'm not at that part yet.
But I can confirm ALASTOR FINALLY MADE A DEAL WITH CHARLIE.
I skip every bit of Charlie and her gf
>It's out
I'm scared
the ride is almost over anon
i want to watch it so bad but don't have prime
>Charlie has been with Vaggie for 3 years
>Alastor and Rosie acting like they've first been reunited when they already met back in ep 3.
Quality amirite?
And I don’t want to download a virus as Vivziepop’s output just isn’t worth that. I hope someone has Mega files at some point. See how this trash fire ends.
What a terrible song
i don't really care for the music
Vaggie doesn't know angels can be harmed
>harmed
>harmed
>not even killed
>FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ffs Viv.
The ANGEL who had her FRICKING EYE cut out didn't know ANGELS can be FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!
she likely think she lost the "invulnerability" when she sparing the child sinner and falling
No, you're just making shit up in your own head to try to fix Viv's incompetent shit for her.
If that's how it actual worked she could have used the time she wasted pointing at her own frick up to explain it instead, but she doesn't realise how moronic it is because she's moronic. Frick Viv.
you can just say you didnt like it, it's okay, no one will judge you
I think, "by demons" is the main detail. Though it would have been nice to throw in that line for clarity.
But it's specifically not that, it's that 'angel steel' or whatever that's the key, and then they go on to use explosives and bullets and shit anyway - like is Angel now firing those kinds of bullets in his guns? Do I have to assume or make up some excuse myself about that?
VOX IS HERE IN EPISODE 8
CAN WE PLEASE GET FRICKING MEGA FILES FOR EPISODES 5,6,7, AND 8?
there is hardcore gay sex in episode 8
PENTIOUSBROS..... WE'RE EATING GOOD
two dicks
Called it, I knew his "death" wasn't final. I'm guessing the news of his ascension will spread fast and suddenly lots of people will want to give the Hotel a chance now that they know it isn't a lost cause.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EGG BOIS?
dead
rip Adam
That's a lotta swearing
Adam died can you please stop making so many fricking threads now that viv is proven to be a fat talentless hack?
>Big bad of season 1 dies in the season 1 finale
And this is a bad thing because...? Of course he was going to die.
Adam's fanbase was so fricking fake honestly, I would know, I bought into his chad status after he roasted Charlie but then he's absent for the rest of the season and then gets mogged by Charlie in the best way for both Charlie and Adam.
He had no foot to stand on and the folks mad he died are just coping.
I sincerely liked him. He was fun with being so animated and broing it up with Lute. It was enjoyable.
I disliked Adam at first, thinking it was lame that all angels would supposedly just be dumbass buttholes, but knowing that he was just Heaven's attack dog having too much fun with his role made me like him as a villain over time. Him and Lute always hyping each other up was fun.
Exactly. Lute starting to sing and Adam just posing and going along with it was great.
Adam is the best singer in the entire show
You're damn right.
>viv is proven to be a fat talentless hack
Still more then what you did.
An allegory about immigration, systemic racism, and how US fricking sucks of course.
>Still more then what you did.
OK Viv.
Okay Reagan.
I think heaven is less ment to be America but more an allegory for the 1st world in general. I mean after all heaven does destabilise hell through wars n shiet
My story is that you and VivziePop are taken to the lake of fire, which is the second death.
Stop supporting this evil c**t or else you will go with her.
Your religion is a faking lie anon. Also reminder that Adolf was one of your own.
so its an allegory about how how the us is supposedly heaven and the most desirable place to enter despite people saying that europe has a higher QOL?
see
Was Adam based on anyone that Vivze hate?
wouldnt that be directly implicating that the 3rd world is that way because of something inherently wrong with the people there rather than the fact that they happened to be late to industrialization
She is from a third world shithole, in fact, I'd argue fourth world as in its just a big ole dump. So seeing her seething through her creations is hilarious.
What is 2nd and 4th world?
What's the chances that Prime and A24 get rid of Vivze?
Honestly? Low to non-existent. They aren't stupid. They kow kicking the vanity pig off the show would upset people. They're gonna pull a Disney and Dana Terrace. Let her piss and winge on twitter/threads while they finish up season 2 then black list her quietly as she fades into obscurity as some new animator flavor of the month appears with something that will impress people. Lucky for Tracy Butler, she went the route of actual indie so she is fine.
Vox was great and I look forward to the Vees in s2, but I have to admit that these last two episodes were pretty disappointing overall. The musical numbers were middling at best, and while I like the ideas of More than Anything and Happy Day in Hell reprises, they were just really not even shadows of the songs they were reprising, while the reprises of Hell is Forever in episode 6 were both shoulder to shoulder if not better. Looking forward to season 2 in however many fricking years, but I get the feeling the ending of that season will also be a fumble. Also, maskless Adam isn't real he can't hurt me
2nd world was the commieblock opposed to the 1st world of usa+allies, 3rd world was nonaligned, and 4th world is less concrete than the other 3 and referred to stateless peoples or something to that effect
Anon vivze has the mind of a 14 year old theater chick who constantly work backwards.
Considering Adam and the other genocidal featherdusters being up their pobably not. Not saying sinners dindu nuffin™, but the card was stacked against them.
>An allegory about immigration, systemic racism, and how US fricking sucks of course.
Why do beaners and other sub-human filth think they're entitled to access and then shit up white societies? Especially when they constantly demonize white people?
Notice how hell in Hazbin Hotel doesn't have any active hellfire or other environmental factors making it miserable? It's all the shitty people there making life hell for everyone else. Just like third world nations (especially in Latin America). They have some of the most abundant natural resources on the planet and yet cannot create functional societies to save their lives because it always devolves into gang warfare and omnipresent corruption. Why should we allow a people who are so flawed and low IQ to flood into our countries?
i'm growing to hate hispanics with a passion, no better than the darkies
Based as frick brother, but remember israelites are worse and the whole reason we can't do anything about them.
You both have small dicks and are insecure about them and project said insecurities by crying about boogeyman threats.
>Beaner shitter
Worthless garbage, many hate you right now
Mayo monkey
Cum skin
None of those insults bother us because we know we're better than you, monkeyboi.
You will never know which race I am. I could be anything or anyone. Cope.
Whatever you say, Pedro.
I could be a woman too 🙂
Whatever you say, Pedra.
At what? What have you personally done to make yourself feel that you're better than anyone?
>T. Pedro
Calm down on the racism man.
Okay Trump.
Still waiting for the show that you delude yourself into making.
It's so obvious you're a female it hurts.
Did you check anon?
I could smell the fish from here
Okay Biden.
Take you pills anon.
why?
>D-don't be racist guys!
>OKAY DRUMPF, haha, gotem. All my LGBTXYZ2Q++ friends and John Oliver say he bad man!
>catty remark
You need to take your meds anon
Spoken like a true female. I can already picture your thousand yard SSRI stare. Why don't you log off and go suck 50 dicks instead you prostitute?
>Still waiting for the show that you delude yourself into making.
Translation: You can't have an opinion on anything unless you've done it yourself.
Maybe when you've wrote an actual logical post like mine, you can feel free to criticise my posts.
Cope viv, your country of origin is literal garabge
Yeah Viv, but let me tell you what I DIDN'T do more than you did: I didn't take a promising idea, characters, and totally frick them up with my own hackery. When it comes to that, you definitely did more than me.
>and how US fricking sucks of course.
Then why did you move here you fricking shit-skin? Get out of our society and back to the shithole you came from. We're fricking sick of you entitled vermin.
Not quit sure why you think that I'm Vivze.
>Immigration metaphor
>Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and other low-life scum from Hell (The Third World) trying to enter Heaven (The West)
>Heaven is the bad guy for not wanting these people around
Man I love boomer Lucifer
his smug aura mocks me
CAN CONFIRM ADAM AND PENTIOUS DIE
I REPEAT.
ADAM AND PENTIOUS DIE
Pentious' death hardly counts since he gets to go to Heaven.
called it
Why did Vox hurt Charlie.
cuz hes gay and hate women
Jealous that Alastor wanted to work with her and not with him.
Man I fricking love Vox
Viv is a based fujo for making him frick Valentino too
Sir Pentious went out like a chad, overall sad that Adam died but the episodes were still really enjoyable
who killed adam?
The Joker
this but with Charlie and Adam Joker is unchanged
niffty
you wouldn't even believe me
Niffty.
Niffty kills Adam but it’s a ‘coup de grace’ thing because Lucifer already mushes his face up and probably disconnects his ocular nerves from punching him a bunch
I was 100% right about Pentious though they kept me guessing til the end.
Is it me or episode 7 is the worst in the whole show by far? Vaggie and Carmilla's scene seemed out of a youtube short.
ikr? Terrible song too
>emergerd isnt carmilla such a cool latina dommy mommy? She literally kicked an angel to death
So, the secret this whole time was that nobody had ever tried to fight the angels before? What is this moronation?
The only questions that arise are
>why nobody even knew angels could be killed incl. some angel
>why was angelic materials left in hell
Even worse then 4?
I think there could have been a fun dynamic with Vaggie but out of most characters Carmilla suffered the most from the lack of runtime. She's part of a mystery that's instantly resolved, her motivation revolves around her daughters that haven't gotten any focus yet, and she was introduced early purely because she offers the final solution you'd assume that any number of other demons would have attempted at some point.
Maybe I'm just biased because I thought Velvette sung her under the table.
>sings about going and slaying the angels
>sits on her phone the whole event, not even excited that you can actually slay them
That was weird.
They did NOT need to take so much screentime that could have been given to set up the battle better. The cannibal town and training did not need to cover an entire episode, they could have been shorter segments and give the rest of the cast something to do.
I enjoyed Vox jacking off to Alastor almost dying, but how are you gonna introduce a major villain in episode 2 and then he does NOTHING for the rest of the season.
>Hope you liked this character! Wait 2 years for him to actually do something
Why the frick did Velvette and Valentino get more to do than him?
>Sir Pent got into heaven
>Alastor's final battle was cool but the leaker said he was supposed to fight Vox?
>Vees watching was fun
>Yuri yawn that is Chaggie sucks slightly less but feels too late to make us care
>Rosie was cool as frick
>All those last fight scenes were great, loved seeing Adam's face and he looked like as much of a frickboi as we were all imagining
>Alastor almost dying and being vulnerable did something to my heart
>When he said "I'm going to be the one to end your fricking life" my panties were wet
>Lucfier's transformations were fun just leaker said
>Enjoyed Alastor's bit with Nifty and really felt their friendship
>Another thing the leaker didn't bother telling us is that we do see Lillith at the end
>She had a deal with Lute
>Lute loses an arm instead of an eye which would have been too on the nose even though Vaggie is moronic for letting her live, makes it feel like they did have more personal beef going on
So a bit of food for thought: is it possible at all that Alastor's deal could be with that Eldritch family we see in the photos?
At the very least Viv could change shit again
He's always using tentacles he has that Eldritch energy himself which very well could be power given to him by whoever he's contracted with
I know we all know it's Lillith but Viv already admitted to changing shit the last minute
Voxbro I know....I hope he gets a lot of fanart in the meantime
Sexy TV husband deserves more
Sir Pentious got to Heaven only after Adam died…
Adam was the one who truly saved him from the eternity of Hell.
%3D
He defeated Roo.
so does that mean it's more of a "soul for a soul" kind of deal?
like in order for one soul from hell to be redeemed, someone from heaven has to be condemned?
Many angels were killed, and probably many cannibals. If it were that simple several would have shown up with Pentious, and his eggboys, though I'm still not sure what their deal is.
The redeemablity of hellborn hasn't been mentioned yet.
No, because the cannibals were there for free food. This was explicitly shown in the Cannibal Town scene. There was nothing selfless about their acts.
Likewise, the exorcists are not selfless, and in fact seem to enjoy the suffering of Sinners. This is not behavior worthy of re-entry into Heaven (if that's even possible. You may get only 1 shot at each).
ywnbaw
The 7 year thing still makes Lilith the stronger candidate for his leash, and his seeming duty to the Hotel, and screwing with Lucifer.
I didn't think it was possible for the leaks to be true AND for the show to be good, but it was actually kino. bravo viv
Vibvziepop needs to be sent to hell right now.
Vibvzie needs to be sent to my room right now
Jesse Jackson please.
Ok so if it hasn’t been posted, Adam kills Pentious and he goes to heaven still a snake. Adam gets killed by Niftty after Lucifer comes gives him mercy. Lilith is in heaven and Lute tells her that Adam is dead, and that she needs to stop Charlie as part of some deal she had previously made
So, the worst characterization and the worst storytelling devices possible. Why do people like this how again?
and we had adam face reveal AND ADAM WAS HOT??? and im so happy for pentious i hope charlie gets to know of his fate sooner than later.
As another Anon said, once word gets out about Sir Pentious, a lot of the denizens of Hell are suddenly going to want to give the hotel a shot. I assume that the Vees will take a more active role in opposing the Hotel since they want Hell to stay the same as always since it's how they profit.
yea, lilith and the v's will def step up more as antagonists i season 2, wonder why and how lilith is in heaven... and who the hell has alistors leesh if its not lilith cause shes in heaven???
Just because Lilith is in Heaven doesn't mean she can't hold power over Alastor. The other possibility is that Alastor's master is Eve, since she is conspicuously absent.
bro nah he looks like fricking Shaggy
FRICK OFF, he's practically fricking Shaggy
Masked Adam is the ONLY one that counts for me
Shaggy is a sex machine, you mask loving degenerate.
And Alastor rants that he is bound by a deal, but one day he will find a way out and come out on top. Also, he previously forced Charlie into a deal where she will one day have to do a favor for him as long as it's not something that harms anyone.
the favor will be asking Lilith to free Alastor from the deal
Which she can refuse
Can she?
>Hey charlie ask your mother to free me
>Ok!
>....she said no
>also she said 'get fricked deerman' and did a little dance. like this.
Alastor: it's time for my favor...
Charlie: ugh, okay... what is it? And remember, no harming people!
Alastor: I need you to reclaim my soul from your mom
Charlie: oh okay, yeah dood, you, like, didn't need to make a spooky demon deal for me to do that for you.
Alastor: ... I didn't?
Charlie: no dude we're fricking bros of course I'd help you out on this
Lilith: god dammit. Ok have ur gay little soul back you b***h boy
Rosie: HES AN ACE IN THE HOLE NOT GAY OMFG, VELVETTE IS GONNA CANCEL YOU
s3e08 credits roll
Even knowing that Adam would die and that he’d be stabbed by Niffty didn’t prepare me for it. I’m still fricking pissed.
Sneed
wtf I love nifty now?
>Your first wife didn’t seem to hate what I had to offer, or the second
So what, Lucifer banged Eve ?
He didn't bang Eve, but he offered her the forbidden fruit.
Fun fact: the exact kind of fruit is never described in the Bible, the idea of it being an apple didn't come until later due to a mistranslation of "malum".
I mean in the bible it wasn't satan/lucifer who offered the fruit either, just an ordinary snake
Snakes don't talk.
God talked to the snake afterwards, seems he designed snakes to talk back then
Also the bible says that Donkeys and Eagles can also talk
No ordinary snake talks and manipulates like this
You gotta remember this was the past. Shit worked different back then. Animals knew how to talk still. It was only way later that animals forgot language.
This is all based on interpretation as it can be said that Lucifer/Satan's voice spoke through the Serpent and God's voice later spoke through the Donkey. Either way, never was it ever said in scripture that animals had speech or had speech removed at some point.
It's said in Revelations that Eagles back during the war on heaven would talk.
The Bible never said that Lucifer's voice spoke through the serpent either, Lucifer wasn't even mentioned that entire story.
Why didn't the eagles just fly Adam and Eve out of Eden?
they were busy getting the ring to Mordor
Anon don't bother, people are REALLY attached to Lucifer being the snake. I had the exact same conversation multiple times when I actually read through the old testament years ago.
I do have a hazy recollection of Satan(?) being called "that old serpent" somewhere in Revelations but I honestly do not remember where. So it is something that has been around for a LONG time, but yeah in genesis the snake is never stated to be anything more than a snake so it was a reveal added hundreds of years after genesis was written.
Some people say read between the lines but with all the crazy stuff in that book like the four headed monster cherubs and the self wielding flaming sword, a talking snake doesn't actually stick out all that much.
Hopefully this means more focus on character driven shenanigans, without a looming threat plot to eat up runtime.
The eagle speaking is just a visual interpretation of a heavenly being attending God's throne.
>Revelation 4:6-8: "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." "And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle." "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."
>Lucifer wasn't even mentioned that entire story.
Lucifer is a name used only once and in an unrelated context to the angel Lucifer. Satan, alternatively, is called the old Serpent.
>Revelation 12:9: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
>ordinary snake
Then how did the snake talk?
A lot of common knowledge about the Bible is pretty much fanfic rewrites of people trying to make a coherent narrative out of a bunch of contradictory stories by many writers centuries apart.
this
Viv messing with traditional notions isn't strange. The show isn't trying to be faithful to the source material.
Hell, demons in HB marry and have children. Nothing about the show was meant to be religiously consistent.
It also had legs, which was typical of snakes back then. God took its legs as punishment.
the way my teachers taught it snakes used to walk around like a coil or a spring, like this
God cursed it to be stuck onto the ground
Your teachers are fricking idiots.
Nah that's how it's depicted in almost all classical Christian art. And it's described in the Hebrew bible to have once been an "Upright" creature that specifically got cursed to be on its belly.
Where in the bible does it ever say it had legs and arms? It never once does.
Classical Christian art by people thousands of years, if not longer, than the actual events occurred?
Classical Christians don't know more just because the art was done hundreds of years ago, bro. They were making shit up, just like your teachers and having snakes jumping around like "coil".
God cursed snakes by taking away their legs. That's literally what the passage means. It doesn't mean that snakes were fricking springs prior.
The passage literally says in plain words that it had to go on its belly.
It says nothing about arms, it says nothing about legs, it says nothing about all the other animals that don't have arms and legs. You are making shit up you've been told, when it's nowhere in the bible.
it was later attributed also because the core of an apple kind of resembles a pentagram when cut horizontally
He literally did fricking motions and said "bow chika wow wow" after saying it, very clear implications there.
I was fricking right adam dies and lute fills the power vacuum as the new bad guy leader. She better get her chance to fricking murk some b***hes in hell when she lost her arm I wanted to cry
no worry
she gonna get a robot arm or something
watching her beat gaygies ass was a treat but damn I was hoping she was gunna die not the snake
They already announced like weeks ago that her voice actor was gonna return to keep voicing her of course she wasn't gonna die. And yeah Pent/Adam voice actor has not, so not only is Adam dead but Pent will not appear.
>gaygies
lulz
Why does Alastor keep cursing like every other character and then pussies out when Adam fights him? What a wasted character.
I miss pilot Alastor so badly, bros.
Alastor isn't the good guy I want him to be.
worst show ever. kms.
What did you expect?
aww yeah we get to see it my homies
Daddy has come to frick up some b***hes.
>No giant duck form
Either saving it for later or doing the ‘showing gun and then actually not using it’ thing?
is he holding her by the ass? i genuinely cant tell where his other arm is
Oh god wasn't there some Anon here yesterday or today talking about how he was reading a Vox/Val slash fic and he was taken out of the story because they were kissing? Well, Viv showed him!
>Not sucking his flat face
What is this weak shit
I fricking loved Charlie's outfit change
that was such a good fricking episode holy shit the only problem I have with it was alastor's line about trying to get out of his deal, come one we couldn't have kept that motivation secret a little longer?? but God damn everything else was great. And the fricking pacing this episode was fricking GREAT!
What a shitty design
So wait. Lute wasn't actually friends with Adam?
It's weird because she was in the previous scene and then in the last one she's not? Or something?
We literally got the worst of every possible narrative line. I know the next hopium will be that Adam is going to be brought back at some point but I mean, is it really worth it to give Viv that power over our expectations of the show?
It's literally not the worst possible thing for anyone who isn't an Adamgay
What else is even there? is anybody who isnt a coomer actually invested in anything else?
yea i thought the ending was fun, set up so much for season 2 and beyond too
Vaggie doesn't know angels can be harmed
>harmed
>harmed
>not even killed
>FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ffs Viv.
>The ANGEL who had her FRICKING EYE cut out didn't know ANGELS can be FRICKING HARMED!!!!!!!!!!!
Explain this.
No, sorry, but the whole final battle was stupid.
It has more holes than Swiss cheese.
adamgays BTFO
niftygays win again
LET'S GO KIMIKO GLEN CHARACTERS
>It was complete shit
lol
>People had hope for this shit show
lmao even
What the frick velvette is black?? saw her with an afro
Do they say why Heaven isn't going on the attack immediately now that Hell knows they can win a fight?
Because they lost. They need to gather their strength and come up with a new strategy.
They lost a tiny group, why not send fricking everyone? Lucifer got his ass handed to him by the seraphim before, right? So just have fricking everyone go and get rid of the sinners.
>Charlie was supposed to die and be reborn to open the path to judgement by God for admittance to heaven for the half breeds but it didn't happen. I think there was a rewrite because it was too on the nose.
>it's bad cause my headcanon!!!
why is this such a recurring thing with viewers of this show. it has so many flaws and yet you morons just rage about your shitty headcanons
Why are you quoting me, I didn't say shit about Charlie being supposed to die and go to Heaven or whatever.
so where the mega links?
The suspense is killing me.
>The evil army is wholly female
What did Viv mean with this?
I was hoping the angelic weapons didn't do shit and it was Carmilla's motivation to protect her daughters was what gave her the power. Too sappy?
The entire idea of the exterminator angels leaving a shit ton of weapons behind makes zero sense. All to justify Viv's final battle.
Nah, it's completely reflective of the fact Adam is a shit leader who was so overconfident that he never realized he was giving them the tools for his own downfall.
No, it's just bad writing. Even if you go with this logic, at minimum other demons should've been defending themselves with the weaponry left behind. The show sort of hand-waved away that part in a lame way.
I understand that the appeal of this series isn't to be super thorough with the logic of its world-building, but even by the standards of this show a lot of the end-of-season reveals were out there. It just gets to the point where it makes it difficult to take the story seriously.
Its just bad writing
Just post Adam's face I want to cum already
he got soul patch and have brown gray hair
>Got to humiliate the shittiest character in the show before going out
Fricking hell I kneel, one of the only good parts.
>That smile
He loved lute. He fricking loved that useless golen
oh boy cant wait for season 2 in another 5 years!
Post Adam's face
>They never killed an angel before
>They inmediately kill all the angels doing anything differently other than actually fighting
Who wrote this shit?
I like the part where Angels were literally splatting themselves at the barrier
They explain that the difference now is that they have angelic weapons.
Why nobody thought of using angelic weapons against the angels before is a valid question though.
>They explain that the difference now is that they have angelic weapons.
I mean, the barrier itself is not an angelic weapon. Plus they didnt actually establish that Cherri's bombs are angelic weapons.
Say you are playing a video game and you end up in a fight with an Elemental
would your first thought to finding a weakness be hit that Elemental with its own element?
The only insult this really levies is that most of hell is dumb (which is not that far from what we see) otherwise Carmilla does actually give a pretty valid reasoning, most of the sinners who might stumble upon it probably don't know what the frick to do with it, so it makes sense the WEAPONS DEALER OF THE SHIT knows the most while it takes Alastor having to be told this from a mole (Eggboi).
I mean, Velvette clearly had a suspicion anyway so it wasn't the hardest kept secret, but it seems like a knowledge gap sort of issue that just paints most of hell denizens as idiots.
this was stupid most of the enemy were cambial towns people vs trained demon killers and somehow they won. Watching alastor get humbled made me harder than vox
How would you even seduce her?
I would bring her the heads of every demon hell for 5 seconds of her attention
God she is such a crybaby, if that makes her butthurt all the crticisms and ratings of Season 1 that aren't glowing praise are gonna make her slit her own wrists.
>Pentious dies pointlessly
>Charlie wants to have a sad moment to mourn him after the battle
>5 seconds later her dad steps in to stop that, proceeds to sing a happy optimistic song instead
OH KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW PENTIOUSgayS, NOT LIKE THIS!
Did you not watch the whole episode?
The show would have been much better with much less singing, the songs aren't even that good.
That's not the point. The fact that his soul is still alive in heaven doesn't take away from the humiliation of his supposed "friends" getting completely over his death and sacrifice near immediately.
Well yeah, Vivkek had the voice actor say his lines and tell him to frick off, new "celebrity" voice actor coming through.
Dude, they build a giant memorial for him.
He got a shrine in the new hotel and Charlie's probably gonna piss herself in joy when they reunite in season 2
They didnt just get over it. Everyone is teary-eyed right after, Charlie sings about his sacrifice in the song, and they hang a portrait in his honor and all salute it.
maybe if I was an adhd zoomer i could see it work, but for my normal brain, going from a sad song morning his death to an optimistic-for-the-future-of-hell song in the span of 30 seconds is just way too dissonant.
Not even a vizvi hater, I like her shows for the most part. But that specific scene just felt way off.
Isn't Charlie literally just Star Butterfly but older
They voice they went with isn't even all that different
The difference is that Star is a rebellious chaos gremlin and Charlie is more of a traditional nice girl who avoids conflict and only uses violence when necessary.
Can we just all agree at this point, by episode 5, anyone in the writers room GAVE UP trying to get ideas past Vivzie and they just nodded their heads and went along with it?
That is the worst offense to the writing. Every little thing after that was PREDICTABLE.
Yeah I don't know if I'm even going to bother with season 2 after this. While I'm super glad that Pentious was actually redeemed that I switched tabs out of shock when it happened, killing Adam off with that piece of shit janny Niffty was so fricking moronic my brain nearly clotted. This show went from mediocre to nearly-in-the-trash tier in the finale alone.
The fact that Baxter is now prepped to be Pentious's replacement makes me very angry
>Baxter
I am vomit
>the B-man
manlets gets the rope
Another coffee mug for my collection. Thank you Viv.
If nothing else I'm glad he at least kicked Alastors ass.
im proud of him, but its time for a new leader one far younger and more powerful
homies dont even finish the ep before commenting
POST MEGA LINKS OR SOMEONE START RESTREAMING IT
God damn that was a good finale.
Now to wait for unmasked Adam pron
>sir pentious's double dong got his foot in the door with cherri
Frickin called it.
what if the actual metric for redemption was real self-sacrifice for the sake of others
Jesus said it is the greatest love, and his commandment to us, so it actually makes sense in the show and fits.
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
My immediate thoughts were
>Thank god they don't leave us in suspense about if Pentious made it to heaven. God knows snake boy deserved it for that heroic sacrifice.
>Lucifer Deus Ex Machina-ing that b***h was kinda lame... I like him well enough as a character but frick that was like a 180 from him.
>The Vees watching it all unfold on TV without doing jack shit is a waste
>Last two episodes had the weakest songs out of the whole run.
>Seeing Adam's face made him lamer and I hate it.
>I enjoy that at some level Niffty and Alastor seem to be 'friends' or as much of friends you can be in hell with such a presumed power differential
>Pentious didn't get to double-bone the girl of his dreams but at least we know he totally could have.
Overall I'd still say this was a 6/10 experience for me. The biggest problem is that very little ever felt earned because it was only 8 episodes. Like we were never going on the journey with the characters, we were just getting the bullet points. How much more impactful it could have been. We could have 1-2 episodes of Alastor really trying to get closer to Charlie before he has the pissing match with Lucifer. More buildup to the meeting in heaven would have done wonders. Giving Pentious more time to show his redemption. Because it didn't 'Start With Sorry', that was it. After that musical number he was a changed snake man who's only questionable action was ordering weapons because he never learned to let his guard down played for comedy. The most complete arc went to Angel, but then again, it was like after Loser, Baby he was fully reformed and that was in episode 4. More struggle was badly needed. The Vees were underutilized and barely played a role at all. Vox especially. He has such fun fricking gimmick as the tele-evangelist of hell and they do so little with it. Carmine and the other Overlords do so little as well. The possible intrigue of her maybe being an angel is also out of the window the way she interacted with Vaggie.
>The Vees watching it all unfold on TV without doing jack shit is a waste
That was the only funny part of the last two episodes
I mean I don't even disagree. Casual Velvette was kind of a treat to see. And that Valentine seemingly ALWAYS wears his pimp coat. And the way she reacts to Vox and Val thinking about how to profit from the situation.
Yah the worst part of the short runtime is watching the rushed character development. Like for Alastor it's nice that they're giving him a genuinely softer side, but I think they showed too much of it too early. E7 felt like a complete tonal whiplash compared to E5.
>didn't even show the cannibals eating angels after making it their entire gimmick
HERE LIES PENTIOUS
HE NEVER SCORED
Please at least tell me the smug deer butthole got BTFO, even a little.
I don't mind smug villains, but only when they're not smug and unbeatable 24/7.
then you will be glad to hear...
he got his shit rocked by adam
He gets BTFO by Adam and he has an unhinged rant at the end of the episode about how butthurt he is about being under someone's thrall.
my friend is coping saying he didnt use 100% of his power and thats why adam fricked his ass. The cope of al fans is eternal
Bro it's because Charlie didn't let Alastor go to Restraint Level 0 and then and then.....!
Adam calls him an edgelord and beats him so bad he's forced to run away for the rest of the episode
I take everything I said about Adam back.
Based Adam.
He gets btfo so hard on live tv against Adam, Now Vox knows he ran like a b***h and will exploit that moment of weakness
Alastor ran after getting scratched.
He went toe to toe with Adam and nearly got killed with his guitar/double bladed axe so he retreated while making everyone think he was dead (i wish lol)
Adam oneshots him
Adam gets a good hit on him making him retreat and Vox laughs at him for it, but otherwise he’s fine. Just goes to show he’s not super powerful despite how many Overlords he’s killed.
what was alastor's deal at the end
Do they even know Pentious is in heaven? Spoil me
Yeah
>Do they even know Pentious is in heaven?
No, he spawns in front of Emily and Sera and Emily squeaks in joy
awww hes so cute
I bet he'll be very popular with the ladies in heaven. But they will make it a joke that he saves himself for Cherri. Well... this new heavenly version of himself, since that train left the station in hell.
Something tells me Cherri will have the time of her life CORRUPTING this poor snake boy
He's so cute, pretty funny how much Charlie obsessed over Angel when the perfect option for redemption was right there
Wait a minute…
Sir Pentious was brought back to life after Adam died…
Adam was the one who made Charlie’s Hotel a reality. He plotted his own death the whole time. Him, Lute, Lucifer, and Lilith worked together for the sinners to kill Adam.
So is Adam going to show up in Hell?
Sir Pentious was dead. He died again. What's to say Adam couldn't end up in Hell after dying?
Good question. He was arguably doing God's work, yet he was corrupt as they come.
No. Adam was the reason why Sir Pentious came back. He paid up the eternal wages of sin.
What? That makes absolutely no sense.
Sir Pentious did an act worthy of being in Heaven. That's why he showed up in Heaven. Adam dying had nothing to do with it.
And also we don't know at what point Sir Pentious showed up. The show doesn't have to be shown in exact chronological order when multiple events are happening at once. That's like...normal cinema, bro.
It doesn't seem like God is ordering anyone around in Heaven.
If someone in Hell can be redeemed, then someone in Heaven can be corrupted.
Word is God doesn't even exist in that universe
I have a feeling that it's more like God has given up (or was never involved after Creation). Lucifer had given up on humanity and was just letting whatever happen, happen. It's possible God is also disillusioned.
HOWEVER, I find it unlikely the show would ever go to that. Most likely it's a God who has always been absent.
The characters mention God through turns of phrase, like Lucifer did in the last episode. Doubt they would write him saying God if God never existed.
I'm giving it 50/50 that he shows up in Hell sooner or later
The real question is: did any of the egg boys ascend?
captcha: r00y
I love this image. It looks like one of those poorly edited fake "leak" images
No but they do put a mirror wall and salute him, so ignore the anons saying nobody cares that he died.
So far only Emily and Sera Know because for some reason out of all the places he could have manifested it was their private lunch room while they were there
I actually kind of liked it. It was pretty good, especially episode 7.
Anons are just cranky because their favorite character died, I thought it was very high quality aside from that
Explain to me why Vaggie doesn't know that angels can get hurt.
Because it never happened to her, simple as
Ah yes, that injury to her eye just never happened and she just likes to wear an eyepatch or whatever because she thinks it looks cool I guess.
Kek yeah I forgot about that, yeah that's a moronic plothole then
Still enjoyed the episodes though
She didn't know they could get hurt from angelic weaponry
>But when Lute-
She was being cast out from the angels. Probably thought that meant she was no longer protected
Yet she still fights like she can't get hurt?
> I thought it was very high quality
How even? Nothing is set up, random things happen. Episode 7 is completely worthless other than random cannibal deus ex machina which was not set up at all in the show and the angelic weapon thing which absolutely destroys the whole setting.
I felt the last fight was executed well, animation-wise there was some standout moments, and I enjoyed the emotional angles they played with several characters
>Episode 7 was useless apart from the parts that weren't useless
Even if you disagree with the direction the plot took it absolutely had a reason to exist
Viv fricked herself you know how many terminally online feminist preteens liked adam
>Niffty > Adam > Alastor
Vivzie you HACK
Niffty just poked Adam while he was at 1 HP, it hardly counts.
A kill steal is still a kill.
Alastor should’ve died, shit edgy creepypasta tumblr sexy man character who’s gotten too much screen time already
At least wounded and disappeared for S2.
calling it now, Alastor is going to use his favor from Charlie to get out of his deal with whoever to support the hotel
I guess Adam can still come back, Lute grabbed his halo and he smiled in the end. Plus Pentious revived in heaven, even if it wasnt built up at all. I guess Adam can revive in hell.
This is coping
not him, but with the snake going to heaven it's pretty possible that adam is gonna respawn in hell if they wanna go donw that route
That just seems very wishful thinking to me since the angel killed by Carmine didn't respawn in the 6 months either.
We dont know if the angel respawned or not, The rules are so incredibly vague that its all up for grabs.
The rules seem to be that Sinner Demons and presumably Angels respawn unless they're killed by angelic weapons. Hellborn demons don't respawn.
Adam is the only pure human in this show. The winners and the sinners both show the consequences of sin. While Adam was perfect in every way, without knowing sin. He was plotting his own demise so the sinners can be saved and Eve/Roo would no longer use the sinners to keep herself afloat in heaven.
He’s dead.
Lute literally said to Lillith that Adam is dead and brought her his halo presumably as proof. He burned too bright for 2 seasons, I'm sorry. Best we can hope is a flashback episode.
The world building is so vague that if Viv wanted to, she could bring him back, but for now I consider him dead-dead.
How would you feel if Adam returns, but he's now a Sinner Demon stuck in Hell who grovels before Charlie to let him stay at the Hotel because he wants to get back to Heaven?
It’d be funny but while Charlie is very forgiving she’s not stupid, she’d kick his ass out on the streets.
Unless the voice actor confirms his return like the others, we will definitely not see those two return next season.
So where does the show have left to go now that Heaven has proof that sinners can redeem themselves?
Lilith intervening, real reason behind blocking sinners into heaven(Roo), Vee takeover
heaven is le evil and Alastor is le bad guy and other hijinks
Several paths
>Emily and others want to support the Hazbin Hotel now that they know redemption is possible, while Sera and the Exterminators want to maintain the status quo
>Angel Dust, Husk Cherry and others have new hope that they can be redeemed, but it's still an uphill battle
>Many denizens of Hell now want to also give redemption a shot, which upsets the balance of power, so the Vees and other overlords try and stop the Hotel
>Whatever is going on with Lilith
>Whatever is going on with Alastor
Pourin' one out for my homeboy Dazzle. a real OG. Or was it Razzle? I could never tell which was which.
Oh yeah we never got a confirmation if he died or not. That wound and fall looked like it could’ve been fatal.
HE FRICKING WON
Now, what would be the conscequences of this discovery... shouldn't the monarchs of Hell be worried about this? The power whose they hold power over can just escape now
he deserved redemption
I just hope some of the eggs made it too
leaked epilogue song
https://files.catbox.moe/j3f96c.mp3
https://vocaroo.com/1dc7eAT4wXzf
basado
Charlastor for Season 2. He's gonna get something out of his end of the bargain with Charlie, alright...
REPENT LUTEgayS.
Glad they made Lucifer a legitimate threat. Why couldn’t he just take over heaven? He has the numbers
My head canon is the other archangels namely Michael and/or the holy trinity would kick his shit in if he tried.
That and god
because he didn't want it
It was nice seeing the Morningstars finally throwing their weight around but now I need to see Lucifer beat up Sera
>the exposed bone
actually pretty brutal, damn
Figured Alastor probably wasn't sin level, but surprised he got owned like a little b***h. Unless his deal weakened his overall power, seems silly he talked such game.
Guys, Adam is a misogynistic pig. You aren't supposed to like or root for him.
Sorry, I missed the misogyny speech he gave telling me he's a misogynistic pig.
I changed my mind about Adam because Vivziepop is a hack so I will be spiteposting by calling him based
There seems to be a profound misunderstanding there, even as bait. I think Adam is a piece of shit and I would never want to spend time with someone like that. But at the same time I was looking forward for every time he was on screen, talking shit, being the deer droppings out of Alastor, being a bro to his second in command, being kind of a dumbass giving away way too much in court etc. You can enjoy a character without condoning their actions or agreeing with them, that shouldn't be such a difficult concept to grasp.
I agree and I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about people who unironically see him as a role model. I also wish he didn't die, he really was one of the best characters.
Funny how most of his fans are female kek
Are you unfamiliar with women flocking to real world male serial killers like moths to the flame? It's neither surprising nor unexpected.
>Guys, Adam is a misogynistic pig. You aren't supposed to like or root for him.
That's why we like him though. Misogyny is based, frick feminism.
This, as the original dick he deserved better. The world literally OWES him sex
>Adam is a misogynistic pig.
But that's why I liked him.
I like to think his little smile to lute was because he really liked her
Is he pure evil? I know a bunch of people getting autistic over his moral scaling
I feel dumb for falling for a fake leak that said Renee Rapp AND Sara Bareilles would be in the last two episodes
Was too good to be true.
It should have been obvious when one of the songs wasn't named "Ready For This," which was already in a trailer.
So knowing the leaks were true....who is Viv calling a hit man on at Spindlehorse?
The very fricking definition of RUSHED.
Which peaks in the Vaggie/Lute fight by trying to fit in all the shit where she let's her live and it's all just perfunctory trope shit you're expected to take as read that some emotional thing just happened, until two milliseconds later when it doesn't matter anymore.
The whole episode is like that, but that's the worst part. You can see how they were trying to set up this shit in prior episodes, only to piss on the payoff. The Vaggie/Lute fight SHOULD have meant much more and COULD have given more time, (not that it's easy to give the first shit about Vaggie).
In Episode 7 when we're going to meet new character Rosie, and then Rosie says, 'Oh, let me tell you about NEW NEW character Susan", my heart just sank. We're on episode 7 and still bringing in more new characters. ffs Viv. And what did that do but just waste fricking time so Viv had to squeeze a divine war into one fricking episode? That would be like compressing the entire Battle of Yavin into the last two minutes of Star Wars.
Viv just doesn't know how to cut shit. If you're that squeezed for time, you need to be cutting out characters entirely, whole story elements you had planned entirely. This is what makes Viv a bad artist in the end. Her inability to just let shit go. Again to use the argininal Star Wars movie as an example, Lucas wasn't so stupid that he didn't leave the Biggs character on the cutting room floor, despite his connection to Luke, cut the Han/Jabba scene that to this day nobody gives a frick about. Viv can't let ANY of her shit go, so she just shovels it all in there no matter what it does to the whole thing. Rookie mistake. Idiot. Hack. Frick you Viv.
Charlie was less and less fun the more the 'muh war with Heaven' shit got talked about, and she was the core of the whole show. By the time it finally gets to the war, I was so uninterested in actually seeing it, that it's just not funny.
I think it could come back around if season two manages to just focus on the seeds that are already planted instead of sewing more, but yeah, if there's any critique I had it's that every episode felt like it had to give new characters spotlight rather than reigning things in and focusing on the tight core cast that we're still getting to know.
I get that they wanted to make the most out of what limited time they were given, but it's not hard to see what characters are relevant to the major story-beats of this season, and what characters were there because they were teased in early concept art ten years ago and the artist was excited to finally see them all animated.
with how successful the series has been, I wonder if Amazon might foot the bill for a longer second season
It won't
Season three isn't out of the question at least.
The fricking war in one eight episode season was a stupid fricking idea.
You'd get more people interested with a smaller story that doesn't try to do too much. Would have been nice to get to know the characters and just hang out a bit with Charlie being cool and cute.
The worst part is, you can see natural 'breaks' where the episode could end. Pentious getting killed could have been the end of an episode halfway through the war to split it in two. Also why it feels like every episode is two compressed into one.
I want to nurse Alastor back to health from his injuries from fighting Adam while he acts angry and tsundere when I try to wrap bandages around him.
Shame he kinda just Insta-heals and seemingly isn’t injured from getting stabbed with a bunch of heaven light or whatever
RIP Dickmaster
Did Lute love him?
No time, no time, rush, rush, rush, so you go ahead and make shit up in your own head to fill in the gaps that Viv didn't devote any time to because we needed to hang out in Cannibal Town, have tea with Rosie, then talk about Susan.
It's this shit all over again:
Does he get an exit song?
no
>Dies
>Doesn't get an exit song
Dammit, Viv, you had one job.
He gets a guitar solo that slays Alastor.
It's neat that we finally got to see his face
I wonder how fatgay adam fans are feeling
They're seething and crying about perceived plotholes like "how come Adam isn't fricking me" and "why isn't Adam's wiener in my ai girlfriend's pussy right now"
>discussion on both episode 7 and 8
much worse than 1-6
Charlie was supposed to die and be reborn to open the path to judgement by God for admittance to heaven for the half breeds but it didn't happen. I think there was a rewrite because it was too on the nose.
Instead we got an army of Catholics (cannibals) using the power of god stolen from angels (their birthright power) to tear down the false church so that a new one could be rebuilt in its place (the point of the show). The myth that Adam is the real source of all people on earth is killed (stabbed to death) and replaced by the hybrid theory.
As is obvious, the cartoonish depiction of Satan (Sir Pentious) has to go in order for any real church based on the truth to take root.
>Charlie was supposed to die and be reborn to open the path to judgement by God for admittance to heaven for the half breeds but it didn't happen. I think there was a rewrite because it was too on the nose.
No. Adam was the one who wanted to be sacrificed. Look at this.
Like the Apostle, Lute would be without him for a time, until Adam returns.
Adam is the reason why Sir Pentious is alive.
New eps:
https://filemoon.art/d/mfy7ekehg6z6
https://filemoon.art/d/mbrettonuq4s
Prepare yourselves for a disappointing finale.
Could anyone upload these to Mega? I got a virus warning trying to go to that site.
Don't let us down mega bros. We know you got this.
>everything Cinemaphile predicted about the trailer came true
I kneel.
Viv is so predictable, we didn't need leaks. Hilarious watching those moronic theory crafters get it all wrong on youtube.
I feel like there was no real point in making the head exterminator angel Adam since they did nothing with the concept before killing him off. His role could have just as easily been filled by some generic archangel commander guy and there wouldn't have been a real difference, plus it would erase the confusing, unexplained question of why the first human is a giant butthole who joyfully kills his own offspring for some reason.
Unless they're going to bring him back and do more with him.
He’s not even a real sexist because he legitimately liked Lute
The point is that he serves as an easy foil to anyone in the series that gets redeemed.
He's the first man who got into Heaven because he was the first man. Not even he knows exactly why, but it shows the flaws inherent in the system and how nobody else really knows how or why certain souls arrive in heaven.
No. Adam is good. He’s acting bad because he brainwashed himself into being bad. His plan from the exterminations was to get the sinners to kill him, so they will provide heaven the perfect sacrifice to be welcomed to the gates. He is the only human with no corruptions on him. He is more glorious than the Angels.
He is Adam, the savior of sinners.
>Lute: It is done, Lilith.
>Lilith (Eve): *Seethes*
Adam is coming back! He won the war against Roo.
Oh no, the schizo is back.
Yes, motherfricker!
Now I know how the apostles felt when Christ died!!!!
I got played like a fricking fiddle from this degenerate furry Fujo. The staff knew Adam’s true nature and we didn’t.
He had the perfect life, the perfect death, and the perfect sacrifice. He was the lamb! The horned mask were symbols to signify him as the lamb of God! He died in the seventh year!
Adam died and broken the restriction that prevented sinners from being redeemed, and allowed them to enter heaven. Just like Jesus Christ did.
Adam outsmarted everyone.
You're insane
Same, the only problem with him is that he is fricking adam, they didn't exploit the connection with him and charlie, as she was his exes daughter, my headcanon is that viv imagined a lot of the concepts when she was still pretty inmature
7th is easily my favorite despite some weird things like Vaggie not knowing Angel Weapons can kill Angels despite her being ALMOST KILLED BY IT!! It had good pacing, good jokes, good music and had fun vibes. I enjoyed it... 8th though... Not so much. First off. What am I supposed to feel anymore? Because right now there is no tension, Pentious's "death" was so abrupt I burst out laughing. Adam was just a weak villain and WHY THE FRICK WASN'T LUCIFER THERE!? And Lucifer... He removes also so much tension now as he is pretty much the most powerful creature in Hell alongside Alastor apparently so there is no tension. Also why the hell Charlie did not start with using busted Dragons? Or why the frick are Cannibals somehow good against Exterminators? Exterminators are also apparently bunch of weaklings too as they can be killed so easily. It's so stupid. One thing for sure though. Ariel IS a good writer who got stuck with a very poor show.
>7th is easily my favorite despite some weird things like Vaggie not knowing Angel Weapons can kill Angels despite her being ALMOST KILLED BY IT!!
The assumption would be angels can kill angels and demons, while demons cannot kill angels at all.
But they are still surprised that Angel weapons harm them. WHEN THEY ALREADY KNEW THAT!! Also really? NOBODY ever hit an Angel with angelic weapon? HOW!? They leave them behind so how the frick were they not ever harmed by them? Also Carmilla was attacked by like 3 Exterminators so there should have been 2 more bodies... Also what was the point of Cannibals?
Angel weapons wielded by demons. The surprise is that the weapons themselves hold the property of being able to hurt them no mater who wields them, a fact that hurts the brains of everyone involved.
But still. What was the point of Cannibals? How do Heaven weapons and powers work when apparently being blasted by one CAN in fact send someone to Heaven. How the frick did NO ONE ever hit an Exterminator with an Angelic weapon in THOUSANDS of years.
>What was the point of Cannibals
People willing to fight and be cannon fodder in exchange for a meal. Nobody else would have been willing to do so.
It's not strong writing in the least, but it makes sense with the flimsy universe she's crafted.
Meat shields are always helpful. Fear, general apathy to their own plight because they're all sinners.
They both suffered from the same breakneck pace of the rest of the series and felt extremely undercooked as a result.
I'd say 7/10 overall. Pretty rough in some places due to what must have been behind the scenes nonsense and V's overall inexperience. Hopefully season 2 is better. Also, the songs in 7 and 8 sucked balls.
This b***h is so hot yet had no lines in the season finale. Guessing the VA couldn't make it?
Or she could but they didn't want to pay her for just a few lines.
I want the Sir Pentious navel uniform Photo with flowers.
And then we all salute to it.
I listened to the leaked songs and thought Alastor faked his death to get away from the hotel and kickoff the next step of his plan, but it turns out once Adam kicked his ass he just decided to sit things out. It's kind of funny and makes me like Alastor more, adds something to his character.
Makes him less of a gary stu at least. He clearly expected to win. Adam was much stronger than I expected the show to portray him as
The alastor and adam duel is kinda neat cause they both think they're the hottest shit of heaven and hell so are both overly confident and weak to each other.
yes I know this is a cope trying to make the writing sound better than it is.
Seeing vox and val in love makes me happy.
I am happy for you anon but I hope the rapist dies in season 2 because he reminds me too much of a real guy I know.
You know a pimp?
SOMEONE has to know the pimps.
Why does every character in this show have to be gay
Because they're in hell for a reason.
Lute does seem like the kind to tell other women to submit to their husbands while she pegs adam and wears the pants in their relationship.
I was afraid to ask while the thread was shitting itself but frick it - who's the top?
They switch because they're adults.
why lmaoo
Well, called Lucifer clowning on Adam. Doesn't seem like he gives any fricks about the overlords though.
So the big dramatic reveal of Vaggie being an angel and the shocked look on Charlie's face ended up being completely inconsequential
Did you miss the whole episode of whiny b***hing? Not like it was going to lead to anything else, even though dumping her ass and scissoring Emily in front of her would have been hot.
Really stupid that the hell citizens just quietly accepted their yearly genocides and never even thought of using the angel’s weapons against them this whole time. Shit writing, and Viv making a joke about it doesn’t make it any less shit.
The whole two episodes where just a vehicle for Adam to get btfoed because he is problematic. Literally all there is to it. Charlie and Vaggie drama isnt even explored.
>Pentious died but went to heaven
>Vox lives and will frick shit up in season 2
>Adam died by janny
I don't know how to feel about this, did I half-lose?
Do you really judge the quality of media purely in terms of overall outcome?
Not him but yeah? What, you don't find a work with a godawful ending ruins the whole experience for you?
I judge endings based on what leads the narrative to the ending. if it matches then I dont mind even if it wasnt my preferred outcome. But everything about both episodes was moronic.
If you want to be anal about it, I thought the show as a whole was mediocre and very poorly thought out. It became extra trite by the ending with the addition of even more clusterfrick included and the narrative being mangled by certain choices despite still having a very lackluster and nonexistent worldbuilding that causes things to make less sense.
Wont Adam just wake up in Hell as Sir Pentious did in heaven?
Would Charlie try to redeem him?
Got killed by angelic weapon or some shit. This is just sounding like a desperate attempt to keep Adam around which, I totally get because frick he was entertaining with his time with Lute.
>Wont Adam just wake up in Hell as Sir Pentious did in heaven?
no because hell is earth and you return to nothingness if you don't rejoin God in heaven.
The way I'm thinking is that if your soul is killed by an angelic weapon you either die forever or wake up in heaven if your soul deserves it. Adam was evil and no longer deserved to be in heaven so he went to oblivion
Maybe, gives him a role in season 2 perhaps. Learning to not be a complete butthole or some such. Since everyone despises him he has to be super nice or he can be stabbed to death yet again by Nifty.
>Alistor:
Adam deserved to die but I an give him a few props for giving his b***h a smile as he died. He died like a man
>Keekee is the key to the hotel!
>Turns into a literal magic key
>Lucifer was familiar with her in Ep. 5 and is the only one who actually uses her powers
What the frick is this thing?
kingdom hearts
Adam just deleting Pentious was kinda funny ngl
At least Adam was actually a powerhouse. Way more than I expected
this really feels like the end of season 3. so rushed.
also why the frick do they think rebuilding the hotel is going to help lmao. from both heaven and hell's perspective it should be pretty fricking clear your at war rn, better build fricking bunkers and trenches instead.
Vaggie is so boring and annoying holy shit
Does she even have any character other than "straight-man butch"?
She also has ZERO chemistry with Charlie at all.
She has almost the same characterization as Poison Ivy from the Harley Quinn cartoon, but here's the thing: Ivy is an obvious hypocrite and only a straight man to off the walls crazy Harley and sometimes Clayface. She's a murderous psycho who delights in torture when she thinks she can justify it with her eco-terrorist cause. Vaggie has ZERO edge to her. She kept one very big secret, but with that gone, there's like literally nothing left now.
that's a good point yeah. They want her to do no wrong and be good and protective to Charlie always because she's Charlie's heckin wholesome and morally right dyke lesbian girlfriend, so she can't do anything fun or interesting at all.
I mean to stick with my example, Ivy was fiercely loyal to Harley until they grew distant in the last season, so that's not an immediate problem. But for all the bellyaching on Cinemaphile about HQ being full of mary sues, those two get called out for being shitty and wrong and hypcritical ALL THE TIME in universe. But then again, I'm not 100% sure what kind of show Hazbin wants to be.
Really could have benefitted from 12 episodes.
Also, the frick is with Alastor's characterization?
When conversing with Mimzy, it sounds like he actually has some level of respect for hotel concept, but then that when nowhere.
While Alastor thinks the Hotel is wacky nonsense he's slowly warming up to the bunch there after spending the past few months with them. He then almost dies fighting Adam and snaps back to reality, so to speak, and realizes that this is still silly nonsense and he has to get out of his "deal" that's supposedly keeping him there as soon as possible before it ends up killing him.
What do you mean it went nowhere? He had another convo with Nifty where he expressed admiration for it, he's the one who got Charlie out of her depression and helped her lead the army to defend it, he sang (to rosie and himself so we know it wasnt to manipulate charlie like the dad song was) about how he sees promise in her and wants to guide her, and he fricking voodoo shielded the hotel as long as he could.
>Pentious technically has a second afterlife
good, he deserves it
>Michael coming back to Heaven’s armies for vengeance after hearing about Adam’s death
Vivzie pls
SMT 1 does a better job at telling a story about demons and it barely even tells anything
protect her at all costs
She's so sexy
she knows something about my browser history.
Just finished, I'm so fricking glad Pentious isn't actually dead-dead he's one of the best characters
RATE SEASON 1 OUT OF TEN
5/10
5/10
4/10 mostly because of the pacing. If I ignore that I can give it a 6/10.
4/10
Way too predictable. Ever want to make Helluva Boss more anticipated this is the way. especially with how they held off for so long now too.
5 is accurate. I like it but overall its not great
4/10
Tries to do too much with 8 episodes. They really needed to scale down the scope of the story.
5/10 it would be 3 or 4 if it didn't have the catchy songs.
Terrible pacing, shallow characters, rushed plot that's filled with wholes.
3.5/10
6/10 purely because I'm a little too much into musicals.
>dykes and demons won
>CHADam died and the exterminators forced to retreat
0/10 Can't wait for Michael to finish the scum off.
forgot pic
If she lives it's because she's getting dyked.
First 4 episodes I was at 4/10, was feeling more positive after episode 6 but back to 4/10 at most after the finale.
a generous 5/10, only because of Adam
7/10, I'm giving points for the visual storytelling
4/10
Some good moments but shut the frick up holy shit.
its really mid, but people will cuck out because it has songs and normies love that
They like being annoyed to death?
Hard for me to put a number to it. There are songs and individual moments that I'd say are honestly top tier, couldn't have been better.
But the show as a whole feels like two or more full seasons worth of content shoved into one. Like every other scene had to be introducing new characters and dynamics to add onto a pile of others that still haven't had time to bake. So every other episode had me contemplating how rushed the pacing is, but I'd be lying if I said I still didn't have fun watching it in the end.
I quite like the songs. Story was ass. I probably should've just done what I do with most musicals and just watch the song scenes and fan animatics, filling in the gaps with my imagination.
5/10, it manages to be entertaining
7/10, but like a high 7
It's not changing my views on animation like some shows in recent years, but it's still a solid show that's worth a shot if you like musicals.
7/10 better than average but not in the top 10 best modern cartoons.
I'm actually interested in what happens to most of these characters, so that's a plus. Not dying in anticipation but fairly interested.
I'm with this anon
at a 6/10, the music and some of the character moments/interactions got me.
3 or 4 for general pacing. 8 or 9 for certain key musical character moments.
This'll sound wishy-washy, but I feel like there were low lows, and some high highs that made me forget the low lows.
5/10
The best I can give it
7. Parts felt rushed but the music was great and I thought all the characters (besides Vaggie) were endearing. Will watch S2.
6 out of 10
dont have much hope for season 2 as hb was also awful
peaks with 6 and even before then it's a little bumpy, I'll give it a 5/10, with 2 points docked for episodes 7 and 8 and 2 points docked for pacing, in another world it could have been a 9/10 pretty conceivably and I hope the 2nd season will at least be good for the first 3/4 as well
5.5/10
Some high highs and low lows.
Ep 1:
5/10, sucks as a introductory episode, until you remember the pilot is still canon, but it still sucks besides introducing us to elements that are important for the show.
Ep 2:
7/10, marginally better but the Vees take up a bit too much time from Pentious' portion.
Ep 3:
4/10, kinda boring setup that's only notable for bullying Alastor yet revealing to us how the angel in ep 1 died.
Ep 4:
8/10, I feel bad for people that don't like Husk telling Angel to get over himself given where he is in Hell, also if they don't like that, they got Angel being assaulted, given we were expecting an episode like this for years now, it's got good payoff for that shit finally.
Ep 5:
Lucifer carries this episode, pretty bluntly, despite that, 7/10.
Ep 6:
Vaggie in general kinda nukes this episode even though this is probably where people either start to like Charlie, or just roll their eyes.
7/10 despite that, Heaven is shown more and more as fallible like they needed to be, but you could already assume that much given one of them died.
Ep 7:
5/10, again, another setup episode, it's kinda gonna be carried by the 9/10 Finale.
musical spam / 10
6.5/10
Too many songs
Did Charlie show her power level yet?
She's still hiding her Miku body pillows, so no.
Nope. Still a useless b***h.
Lutebros will we still love her with a freakish prosthetic arm?
Charlie going full leader warrior mode then immediately apologizing to people and bugging vaggie during the fight is extreme smooth brain character writing
i miss teh sad gay owl
LMAO
>cucks Adam out of his first wife
>wife is then revealed to have run away and chilling in heaven under Adam's watch
is Lucifer vs. Adam just an endless cycle of them trying to cuck the other
Which is why I wished he lived, would have been fun watching these two shit on each other and Charlie has to remind them that they both were screwed by woman.
he also said the line about the second wife so theory
luci + lilith = charlie
luci + eve = emily
But alastor is an ace in the hole
No, he said his first wife liked what he had to offer, and so did his second. The second offering was the Forbidden Fruit.
He said bow chicka wow wow which is millennial-who-never-matured-fully speak for sex
That was clearly supposed to provoke Adam. Kinda like the way I insulted your dad last night while I fricked your mom.
>Lucifer ate pussy
She'll of a man right there disgraceful
It is hard to feel tension anymore as Charlie now one her side has like 2 most powerful beings in Hell. There is no real threat to them anymore.
Feels like Alastor is on his own side.
Lute left Adam's body behind to be eaten by cannibals. Feels bad man.
>be Pentious
>wants to bang one-eyed chick
>do a Holdo Manoeuvre
>prove that shit really does only have a one in a million chance of working
That gets you into Heaven? Wanting to impress some b***h you want to do a sex with?
Always has been. *click*
It's not a disqualifier since Adam was up there.
Nah it was true love. Pentious loved that ratchet ho.
>
Alright I haven't had time to read other reactions but here's my Adam cope. He's a human soul, not an angel. Angels when killed just die, but Pentious proves that a soul that dies to angelic power can be respawned elsewhere. My Adam cope is: Adam respawns in Hell in a different form, and has an emotional reunion with Lute at the end of next season. This is Anon's Adam Cope.
>DIED 2024
>BORN 2024
WELCOME BACK SIR PENTIOUS
>Alastor's voice actor Amir already looks like a goblin
>in the Q&A he revealed he's 5'4"
Not to be mean but why even continue living at that point
Middle eastern men always look like sleezy rapist goblins.
His nose looks funny
>Show wasn't groundbreaking good, but wasn't outright terrible either; it was just okay
The worst outcome?
Well I think that "Rosie is Lilith" leak is now debunked. That's definitely the OG Lilith in heaven. But Eve impersonating Lilith might not be off the table, since the woman in Charlie's flashback didn't fricking look like her.
Adam defeated Roo.
He is the one that allowed Sir Pentious to come to heaven.
Remember what Lute said when he died, or how truly happy he was?
His mask was foreshadowing the fact he is the perfect lamb, the perfect sacrifice for all sinners.
He is based! He tricked everyone.
>since the woman in Charlie's flashback didn't fricking look like her.
I think that's a false lead considering Lute called Charlie Lilith's daughter. Also once her back is turned the animation goes back to looking like regular Lilith with horns for a second, seems they just didn't want the attention on Lilith in the flashback.
We may still see a "Lilith" in season 2 since Lucifer confirmed he fricked Eve, unless that was just him messing with Adam. Eve was created to be Lilith's replacement, after all, if she got with her first husband why not with her second? I doubt Luci is ware Lilith is living it up in Heaven, and he is lonely, perfect for a body double to step in for her own ends.
Ofc this is all just speculation. I think killing Adam off was a waste though tbh. Would've been interesting to see the dynamic between the four continue. There are still many questions.
>I think killing Adam off was a waste though
I really wanted him to be inna hospital in hell getting better in the final scene, but I guess Katie Killjoy’s report confirms he’s dead
so its over right? just gotta wait for season 2 date and Helluva boss episodes
>Helluva boss
Season 2 was so fricking bad, I have zero hope for season 3.
>Alastor calling Charlie a "good girl"
Charlastor DDLG dynamic confirmed
Jesus the Sir Pentious fans on Twitter are pissed about how he was handled kek
Even the Japs which says a lot because Nips don't usually voice their complaints about this shit on Twitter
Yeah, I heard they were starting a spetition.
Quick rundown what their beef with it is? I didn't think about it too deeply.
They don't like that he's presumably going to get less screentime in heaven, they wanted him to give it an honest go in hell with the main cast and they dislike that he was basically used as a pawn for the main character's' development
I mean that's pretty fair. Though I feel like that was never gonna happen after the first 6 episodes seeing how he was already his most wholesome bean-self.
I think Alastor is gonna get annoying real quick after this season now that he's just going to be trying to be big and powerful and probably sabotaging the hotel nonstop, maybe the final season will have his real redemption but it'll be completely rushed and be some power of friendship shit. never trust no "asexual"
>All those exorcist chicks are now dead
Noooo, my poor goofy meathead girls!
if Adam quit thinking with his dick his exorcists would have been men and easily won
Nah, most of them fled. They are still alive, just deprived of their entertainment and possibly emotionally scarred.
>God doesnt exist in the universe
>If Adam doesnt pop up in hell, then Purgatory/Limbo exists which in turn proves God exists
but god does exist on the universe he is just kind of depressed since the whole lucifer thing and doesn't intervene in his creation anymore
funny enough azathoth exist too but as his shadow but I don't like how he is not portrait as a blind idiot and just an idiot
So basically he's the Emperor of Mankind?
Yeah but the emperor at least did something.
I mean... kind of. I meant more like golden throne Emperor when he was kinda presumed dead only for the new lore to reveal that he was conscious the entire time and COULD have communicated but was just too disappointed by the Horus Heresy or some shit to lead mankind actively.
Viv should just stick to the puppet idea, like God always hides behind something and talks using a puppet since one very famous Bible facts is that most people can't look directly at the face of God
WHAT OF THE EGG BOIS ARE THEY IN HEAVEN?
>everyone's cope is that season 1 had atrociously rushed pacing because Viv feared the show could be cancelled at any moment
>because the series was successful it gets renewed for infinity seasons
>new seasons release and it turns out the pacing is still rushed dogshit because Viv just can't write
I can really envision this happening.
Depends on if it gets more episodes or not
HB got really bad so season 2 of HH is probably gonna be shit
That show fell off hard so I have no doubt Hazbin will follow the same path.
Anybody who tries to justify the writing is either coping hard or just in it for the shipping.
If amazon really wants to get the big bucks out of this show proper they should wise up and kick the dumbass off and get some proper writers, because she really is the biggest detriment to her own series. If season 2 ends up with the same shoddy pacing and storytelling I can see even the biggest fans getting sick of it real quick.
i kno it's not kewl 2 say but..
zomg I LIEK THE PACING!!1 it reminds me of burning out all ov mai braincellz watching flash cartoonz roflcopter ^_^
where is the Mega
So, where the frick was Lucifer for the whole of episode 7 and the first half of 8? He just randomly appeared when the plot needed him to keep Charlie alive.
Rubber ducks aren't going to fill themselves with cum!
He doesn't care about the sinners. Only intervened because Adam went for Charlie, she's supposed to be explicitly exempt from exterminations.
>He doesn't care about the sinners
That is moronic. He knows Charlie cares about sinners. They sang a whole song about it.
How did Vaggie not know angel weapons could kill angels when she literally lost her eye and wings to one? vivziepop fricking sucks
Despite the Niffty thing, Adam went out with more dignity than Pentious at least. He got to dunk on everyone but Lucifer, including that smug smiling jackass Alastor, and even after getting shivved he got a tender, sincere moment with Lute. I hope it's a fakeout but he was at least formidable and died a warrior's death.
>he was at least formidable and died a warrior's death.
I dont know anon, his speech right before dying doesnt spark much confidence.
he got one hit in on luci
My hero cares for the bros……
I liked Adam, but I feel like his death works as is. And it gives Lute excuse for more focus and development later.
>Lucifer: Nobody messes with my daughter!
>Shows up late after she's been messed with
>Is the most powerful and easily defeats b***hes (of course)
>No reason for him showing up late
Even Scarlet Witch had a reason for not being in the battle in 'Infinity War', even though black b***h is like "Why has this b***h been the whole time?"
No reason for angel weapon
No reason for cannibals
He could've just defended the hotel
>Alastor by himself repelled the whole angel army
>They didnt do this before this extermination
why tho. I get that they want to set up stuff for future mysteries but half this shit is never going to get resolved.
Anons need to accept that modern storytelling is putting a bunch of mystery boxes into your stories and wait until the public forgets about them to hit them with new FOMO stories
He still didn't believe in the hotel and didn't want to defend it. It was only when Charlie was in true danger did he show up. He was willing to help her get a meeting with Heaven, but he still didn't see Hazbin Hotel as something worth protecting.
I think Sir Pentious might have changed his mind, too.
See how you have to just make shit up in your own head to account for Viv's shitty writing?
Episode 8 was honestly great. The Vs watching the whole thing just made it so much better
Emily and Sera riding Pentious's two dicks, when?
>Adam is actually dead
laaaaaaaaaaaaame
No. He won… he defeated the apple of good and evil. He defeated Roo.
Adam knew what would happen and he planned it so the sinners can end his life, providing the heavens the perfect sacrifice for their sins.
This weird ass Adam dying for their sins theory you keep posting...I'm not sure if you're on mushrooms or need psychiatric help.
between the bright colors, musical numbers, and animated gore, this show would be great on psychedelics. Great idea anon, I know what I'm doing tomorrow
Alastor is a pussy.
to all the people saying adam is going to appear again or its all like "part of a plan" or something please don't be moronic, this show is written by a self hating libtard and she has the ego of a white fat woman in 2024, there's a reason why season 1 is a 5/10
m-mega?..
Truly they were a hazbin hotel
Loved the final 2 episodes.
Vox enjoying Alastor getting btfo was so fun.
Lilith looks like she's either in Limbo or a corner of Heaven by being gone for 7 years.
I cried happy for the reprise of More Than Anything and Carmilla's song and dance was spicy but clearly Vaggie didn't employ those tactics and won due to the environment instead of going for the neck like Carmine said.
Transformations were cool as frick.
I'm guessing Adam is permadead now which means Michael or Gabriel would be season 2's mid boss before Alastor and Lilith.
Aghhhhhh so good. Nifty punking the kill seemed stupid to me though, very anticlimactic.
Emily just the purest cinammon roll who clearly didn't need to help Charlie like she promised but she gets a pass for being too cute.
Overall a great ending and worth rewatching for all the quick plot bookmarks into season 2.
Michael for sure is coming in with a vengeance against Lucifer
>Loved the final 2 episodes.
How does somebody have this poor of a taste? Do you just care about shipping? There was nothing here narrativewise.
>watches entertainment
>is entertained
>"idk man seems like shit taste from a shipper, tbh"
You sound unfulfilled, chud.
bait used to be believable
Nice bait
I agree unironically, stand behind me
Eep! okays. At least there are now 2 people who like the show here.
>dead
>ugly tumblr sexyman
Worst ending ever, i'll be sorry for years
No. Anon. Adam is the most beautiful human in this show. He died for his children to come to heaven.
What do you think the horn’s symbolize?
He is the lamb!
>Voxmask Schizo Anon is still on it
I hope you never leave bro
Wait, doesn't this mean that Adam will just pop up in Hell?
who knows, the rules make no sense really
Permadeath is, sadly, a thing in this universe for some moronic reason.
Pentious by all rights should be permadead himself. If Viv really wanted to capitalize on the idea of having your fate change even in the afterlife, Adam should revive in hell to mirror Pentious' revival in heaven. And I'm not just saying that to cope with losing Adam OH GOD WHY!?
ADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!
>Adam should revive in hell to mirror Pentious' revival in heaven.
I mean, i'm on board since Adam said he really digs the tunes and vibe down there besides it being "eww". I could see him come back maybe in season 3 if greenlit.
>Adam should revive in hell to mirror Pentious' revival in heaven
Pentious was just magic beamed to death, not stabbed by an angelic weapon, so it makes perfect sense for Adam to be permadead while pentious isn't.
Sorry adamgays, that's what you get for backing the guy with only one dick
Sounds like nonsense on top of nonsense to me. We've already broken all the rules once. I will continue to cope until the show ends, thank you.
>being stabbed by an angelic weapon = permadead
>being absolutely vaporized by an angel energy blast = not permadead
No wonder she hosted Q&A after Episode 6. She wouldn't be able to handle all the E8 questions.
She would just make shit up to cover up all her plot holes.
Why the frick wouldn't a concentrated divine vaporization beam done by the leader of the angelic kill squad not pack the same effect as a more produced heaven weapon anyone can nab?
one is weapon infused with the ability to destroy souls
one isn't
pretty simple. If Adam could end souls with his beam, why wouldn't every extermination just have been him flying around beaming everyone on the ground?
>Smite power not counting
Yeah bullshit
They call it double death. And there may be a double afterlife for it.
No. Adam is not a sinner. He died for sinners to come to heaven.
sorry anon but he already served his purpose to the plot and therefore will never be seen or mentioned again!
he's going to super heaven
ADAM LIVES
So Rosie is actually Lilith and is Charlie's mom? According to the leaks that is. She has the same sort of texture on her neck that the angels do. So the scene with Lute and "Lilith" at the end - was that Eve? Who does Alastor have the deal with? How much does Alastor know about all this? The wait for season 2 is going to kill me.
Even if you hated the last 2 episodes you have to admit there was good moments, like Sir Pentious manning up and Alastor getting BTFO'd
Ok so, Pentious never apologized for whatever landed him in hell in the first place. We dont even know what he did to end up in hell. And yet, just because he charged a massive ship into Adam, without even knowing if he was going to die or not, he gets instantly redeemed. What the actual frick is this show man. I like Pentious as much as the next person, but this was entirely not earned.
Yep and due to his voice actor probably not returning we will never know.... BYE!
I think it was confirmed he was coming back but that could just be for Pentious
Viv is God in her universe and if she decides Pentious has redeemed himself, then he is redeemed.
Thats moronic and just poor writing.
Perhaps he was a deserter, that's why he overcompensated in hell by wanting to be a big badass, but always failed.
Ok, fricking tell us then. That way, Pentious sacrifice would have been actually emotional and not just random and out of the blue.
But he had been doing other acts towards redemption for nearly the entire season. This was the coup d'grace of his redemption act.
And yes, he definitely thought he was going to die. That's why he kissed Cherri and told her he loved her.
We don't know why he's in Hell, and nobody knows how redemption works (including the characters in the show). The idea that he has to repent is explicitly Christian. Redemption is not the same as penitence.
>other acts towards redemption for nearly the entire season. This was the coup d'grace of his redemption act.
Being awkward and not building weapons of mass destructions doesnt really count
>The idea that he has to repent is explicitly Christian. Redemption is not the same as penitence.
It is explicitly said in the show that sinners need to cleanse their souls to ascend. Apparently random act of heroism just cleans you.
The worst thing about this is that there was no focus whatsoever on Sir Pentious for the whole season, no characterization about him whatsoever other than trying and failing to be a big EVIL boss in hell and wanting to bang a random woman. What did he even do to work on himself towards penitence?
>It is explicitly said in the show that sinners need to cleanse their souls to ascend.
1.it's not, one of the big points of the show is that no one really knows how one gets into heaven or hell, even the highest angels only have their headcanons to work with
2.still, no need of repentance was ever implied
>What did he even do to work on himself towards penitence?
1.he willingly sacrifice his life
2.nobody knows if penitence is necessary or not
Adam given Sir Pentious the right to be in Heaven. Because he knew that a sinner’s works were nothing but filthy rags. No sinner can earned their way to heaven. But through’s Adam’s perfect sacrifice, they can.
If I had to guess by his character through out most of the season specifically how he treats His Eggs his biggest offense was probably Selfishness and he probably used someone as his own personally meatshield at some point in his human life so the fact that he sacrificed himself for once was probably enough for redemption.
Also compared to everyone else he was probably the least evil Since his entire shtick was acting tough but never succeeding as opposed to someone like Angel who had already over indulged in Hells shit by the time he joined the hotel or Husk and Nifty who wouldn't even be there if it weren't for Alastor.
> his entire shtick was acting tough but never succeeding
He commands a giant flying warmachine which we have seen, in the pilot, is entirely capable of demolishing full cityblocks woth of people. He is deadlier than 90% of the sinner population and has probably killed more sinners than 90% of the sinner population.
So does becoming lead execution come with a power up because Lute jobbed to fricking Vaggie of all people. Hard to be threatening after that.
Literally what is even going to happen to season 2, not even in a "oh boy anythings possible!" way but in a "there is so much shit that needs to accounted for that inevitably will be ignored" way because this show is made by a emotionally stunted idiot who still hasn't bothered to make a lick of sense of how the premise works, yet immediately charged into a "Heaven vs Hell" arc in the FIRST SEASON
iirc is gonna be a backstory season
>backstory season
I'd kill myself.
It's probably only so highly rated because you have to watch it multiple times just to keep track of shit.
The vees, I mean did you watch the episode or not?
They're very clearly teasing the Vees playing a much bigger role while second anon is pretty right on the money that it should be backstory season finally.
Viv is just covering her ass again like she always does, its gonna be a clusterfrick as well.
Give more than 8 25 minute episodes then it probably won't feel like a rushjob.
That's honestly been the biggest real issue, pacing and it's entirely down to Viv working in a seemingly tight constraint than what she has in mind for the show.
Guess you haven't seen Hellva Boss season 2, it was garbage too.
What needs to be addressed? Besides the whole lillith deal.
>Cannibal thing out of nowhere
>Pentious redemption out of nowhere
>Lute and Adam characterization just dropped
>Lucifer being a literal deus ex machina
>Alastor being able to kill angels without angelic weaponry
>Just fight back lul
>the angels just being jobbers
>Why did heaven even sanction this?
>permadeath?
>hell is not bad in itself
>and a lot of other things
>season 2 will be bad because... it just is ok
Viv winning really broke some anons
Was S2 of Helluva Boss good?
Google "Helluva Boss season 2 was so bad" barely anyone defended it, not even the shills like Ayy lmao and Chorus, it was that fricking bad.
It was good but it was a tonal shit from season 1. If you like season 1 there isn't a guarantee you'll like season 2. Fig's final song is fricking good
It was awful, don't believe the shills.
Muh different rings, the real reason is Viv is a shit writer.
They butchered the characters in season 2 of helluva boss. They made Moxxie so fricking annoying.
Is there a lore reason why Pentious went to heaven when Vivzie confirmed if you die twice you're fricked for good?
Is she stupid?
All problematic people just die, all unproblematic people get infinite chances.
Simple as.
Are you new to the concept of a 'heroic sacrifice'? Clearly dying twice isn't it, otherwise ALL the demons killed in exterminations would go to heaven.
Wait does that mean Pent has 72 virgins waiting for him?
>Steampunk serpent with military mannerisms
72 Virginians, you butthole!
Its not if you die twice its if you are killed specifically by Angelic Weapons because for some reason Adam disintegrating Pentious with Holy Light wasn't enough for some reason and now He's in heaven
Nobody knows how you get into heaven.
Nobody actually knows what happens when you double-die.
The complete lack of explanation mean that anything can be done with these ideas at any time.
Given that he popped up in a room with Em and Sera instead of showing up at the gates to meet St Peter (as we saw would be the norm for arrivals in episode 6), and Em explicitly said she was going to be working on charlie's plan, it was clearly divine intervention on Em's part.
I dont see why youre confused. you have to be a serious fricking moron to not catch on to that
Was there anyone who could stand up to our boy ADAM?
ADAM BROS....
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Lucifer but then again Adam was kicking ass on everyone else at the same and still got a good hit in on Lucy
They had to have a seraph and half-seraph double-team him to win. He would have solo'd otherwise. Did you see that big punch shattering Alastor's gay ass little shield? Fricking metal as frick!
That shit was awesome, if only he did the same to the annoying ass deer and shattered his entire being from the show
can they stop making the latino girl sing please
agreed. let the latino man sing
>just fight back lol
This was some really dumb shit kek
so uhhhhhhh why did vaggie's wings grow back
the power of love and friendship
Because.
You guys are forgetting a small detail of his death
sera had one job, one directive: keep heaven and all winner's souls safe and sound
Adam was essentially empowered and sent to a dangerous place with potential to die. And Adam is a citizen of heaven that died.
She failed her job in the worst way possible
Yes
Without buildup
Forgot to add
SHE SENT A FRICKING HUMAN SOUL TO DIE IN HELL LIKE A SOCIOPATH
SHE'S FRICKED
THE human soul as well
Silly of you for thinking that the writer would have enough brainpower to have this thought pop in the cavern that is her head, all the director thinks of him is that he's a big dumb dumb bad guy so no one will care that he was offed, also what
said
Did you know that Jesus Christ is the second Adam?
In this show, Jesus wouldn’t need to be in Adam’s place, because he was sinless. Perfect. Every winner looks inhuman except HIM, because they were still affected by the wages of sin.
He came to hell as a lamb (his mask).
And to die as their savior.
He loved them all.
I don't care how many seasons this gets, I'm still not buying Amazon Prime.
vegana continues to be the worst part. It was dumb to give her such a deep voice when the VA can't sing in that voice.
If's funny knowing that's just the VA's speaking voice, and nobody knew about her higher pitch until Encanto
>hey dad, my friend Angel Dust has this contract with abusive b***h, thing you can just uh ... tear that off, being the king of Hell and all?
>that would be unfair Charlie, what would hellborn think of me? Oh, who am I kidding? Haha, I don't care about that!
Yep, he is such a massive plot device, but the show will just ignore that because they got their selves into a corner
In a lot of devil media, even the devil is bound by his own deals. Magic contracts in general are one of those above-all-else deals because it otherwise kills narrative tension if they can be broken easily. its "big fricking shit" magic along with wish magic
Lucifer could kill Valentino and free Angel that way, but thats probably not what Charlie wants
In a lot of devil media, you don't have Lucifer being an easy trump card that is your friend. He should be able to break contracts between measly sinners.
Hell, like you said, he could just torture Valentino a bit.
>everything gets solved by Lucifer being OP as frick
I don't know what I was expecting But it was a little bit lazy
Bring me WORMcifer.
I'm glad I got to livepost about S1 with you guys, even if the show itself is just hot garbage. Makes me want to dig through the archive for Helluva Boss threads whenever an episode released.
Anon. Adam wanted to die the whole time in HH. His enemy were not the sinners. It was Roo. And he paid for the sins in full. So they can be redeemed and enter heaven.
That’s why he is Viv’s and the staff’s favorite character.
I think you meant to reply to
Viv is REALLY gonna have to work herself out to give us a justification of why Heaven doesn't send every fricking Archangel possible to destroy everything, and no, Pentious getting reedemed is NOT good enough
>everyone actually hated Adam so they don't care
t. Viv
The exterminations were unsanctioned by heaven. Sera went renegade on that for reasons we don't know yet. If sending the Archangels was an option why didn't they carry them out instead of Adam and his cadre of killhungry b***hes?
>Sera went renegade on that for reasons we don't know yet
She was supposedly scared of Hell growing too powerfull and invading Heaven, and she got proven RIGHT, now all of Hell knows that Angels can be fought back and killed and it's obvious that they are gonna use this, this manner is now should concern all of Heaven enough to take action
How was she proven right? Hell didn't try to attack Heaven, just defend Hell. Emily will fight her tooth and nail on that and they.
Doesn't matter at all, Heaven SHOULDN'T take the risk of Hell now going even more powerfull and try to start another war after such slaughter, and what Emily or the demons will say it's almost irrelevant
That's moronic. Why would the human souls in Heavon be on board with any of this? Especially when there's the evidence that demons can be reformed in their midst. Sera's hands are tied on that as well, Pentious is a regular angel now.
>The people that do not wish to be redeemed come to the gates via portal or something
>They start conquering , heaven, killing Angels.
see
Hell still killed their people. Is Emily just supposed to be cool with it working the opposite way?
>Hell still killed their people
in self defense
For the moment. You think all of Hell now knowing that they can kill heavenly beings doesn't mean they won't at some point attack Heaven?
can anyone even get to heaven from hell without them opening a portal? probably nobody in hell, maybe except Charlie or Luci, is capable of that and they won't go on the offensive.
Satan probably could.
there's no reason to assume that
Satan is a fallen angel the same as Lucifer who has been in heaven in the scriptures.
>Satan is a fallen angel
not in the show's universe for all that we know
also even if he turn out to also be one, there's no reason to think her would have such power
>the scriptures.
not cannon in the show's universe
>How was she proven righ
That Hell is too dangerous and unpredictable, after this demostration of strength, who is to say that now Lucifer is not gonna try to fight Heaven again? now that Demons have a chance of fight and even KILL Angels? Heaven SHOULDN'T take the risk of Hell now going even more powerfull and try to start another war after such slaughter, and what Emily or the demons will say it's almost irrelevant
For one thing far as we know demons have NO WAY to invade Heaven even. Lucifer didn't bring her there, he only made contact and got her a portal there. Heaven is under ZERO risk.
>Lucifer is not gonna try to fight Heaven again?
>again
For all that we know Lucifer never fought heaven in the hellaverse
I mean can they? It took the big boss of hell to defeat someone like Adam, Imagine if Viv actually puts Michael in the show
>angels do extermination because for centuries (maybe millenia) they thought they were invincible
>one extermination a bunch of them die
>"oh frick we can die? Let's not do this anymore"
Seems pretty straightforward dumbass
Yeah, anons really want to levy any bullshit complaint they can when the simplest observation is actually right there.
Hell, I can go even further and suggest that.. Why would SERA want this shit to continue after getting blown out so hard? The only reason they're probably gonna come back is that Lute takes over.
>Seems pretty straightforward dumbass
Counterpoint: they're golems in the literal sense
Vaggie alone disproves your point
The extermination was supposed to be a super secret thing that only the Exorcists knew about Adam blowing the cover on whole operation probably put Sera in bigger shit than the Demons since you can make the argument with the Angels Being the instigators that the Demons only acted out in self defense.
And judging by everyone elses reactions during the court Season Adam and the Exorcists are probably the Biggest buttholes in Heaven.
>Muh arcangels
why morons keeping babbling that as if they are real in the show or that they could do a fricking thing ?
Who are the six that kicked out Lucifer?
the council of elder angels as mentioned in the first episode, with Sera being one of those
also it's never said that Lucifer ever tried to fight back
>amazon buys worst show ever, never supports indie animation again
vivziepop is the hero all along
what if it turns out hell was the real hell all along?
nifty killing adam is kino because he’s the ultimate “good boy” in a sense and she likes bad boys
why does hazbin hell feel so incongruous with helluva hell when they're supposed to be the same world?
Something something different rings something
Because they are legally independent IP and not allowed to crossover.
Where the frick is the Mega link
Wait, if Alastor wasn't Lilith, who the frick is he?
Just some sinner that made a big deal. Lilith is still the best candidate, 7 year absence and odd duty to the Hotel.
Amused by all the fricking schizos that kept screaming Liltih was another character in disguise, Rosie, Eve for some reason. Some people really need to take their meds.
Eve
Just saw both
As a Charlie stan, I'm grateful that they learned to have her take off her extremely cringey shoulderpad top for a good portion of the show.
I liked the show. I found it entertaining. That's more than you can say for most shows.
anybody have a mega for episode 7 yet?
seconding
we don't use mega here
Valentino doesn't say a single thing about his main money maker and play thing risking his life in battle btw.
Keeping track of characters and their motivations is hard when there's a bajillion of them crammed in
he threatens to kill angel every day
Okay back to fanfic'ing now
>I didn't even notice that since idc much about Angel Dust
Damn you're right
Those instagram posts were so cute but I like it better that Vox has to wrangle Val's impulsive tard fits
I don't think Val would ever dare to hit Vox now
>Okay back to fanfic'ing now
Link your fic? id love to read
captcha: YA24
Sure I linked it before but these threads go by so fast
archiveofourown org / works / 53329108
I wanted to see how things ended before I wrote the 2nd chapter but this will primarily an "improve canon but also you get to have a romance/sex with Alastor" fic with a reader character that's also my OC but we keep it 2nd person because it's fun to write in and I like letting other people enjoy if they want (and I hate bland nobody reader inserts typically)
I also started on an AU smut fic with Vox and Val I will eventually finish since I realize my character's powers could be exploited by them but really I just want them to rape me but who doesn't lol
What are some good Hazbin Hotel fanfictions? Preferably ones that give Charlastor and care more about the redemption lore
Wait, so the process we see for redeeming a soul is
>Change yourself so that you are a good person by some unknown metric
>Die permanently
The final jump there seems like a rather big leap of "faith".
Unless Pentious was simultaneously appointed to a higher position? He did spawn right next to Sera, Emily, and an empty third chair in a place of seeming importance, rather than at the gates.
As crackpot as it sounds, he probably could have gotten insanely lucky and took Adam's position given the recent opening.
I think it's bullshit though but it would be kinda funny. Not logical too, just funny.
Where is Eve
Rosie.
she's disguised herself as lilith
lilith disguised herself as rosie for reasons
That’s too many disguises.
abel disguised himself as adam
adam disguised himself as that one b***h in the bible whose husband dies so her father in law promises his other son will knock her up, but that son pulls out and cums on the ground every time they frick so God kills him and then the father in law promises his other son but that son is too young so they wait a few years and then the son is old enough but doesn't frick the woman so she pretends to be a hooker and fricks the father in law on a business trip and has his baby
and lute isn't in a disguise but she does grow a mustache in s2
The Husk/Angel slow burn fuels me bros
I think the Vees SUCK
They are selfish pricks, kind of the point. Might be interesting to see slight turnarounds after the battle, and morseo if Heaven admits redemption is possible. That would be a big advertising spot for Vox. His angelic protection thing was literally fricking nothing but redemption is something he can advertise for more people to click on.
watch as the writers don't take advantage of this
I think it would be more the animators, just have a few screens in the background mention it from time to time, either as the Hotel, or the heavenly messages like the Cherub commercials from HB, was always wondering how the frick that worked.
The Vees opening up a rival hotel would be great and it'll never happen because every good concept for this show is pissed away.
So Vox and Alastor used to be buddies.
Yeah which is why Vox tried to recruit him and he got brutally rejected lul
imagine if its the deal the reason he didn't join Vox, and their friendship just tanked after that
I thought he just had a proposal to be a Vee, but they took a photo together and he kept it, so they definitely were closer than just acquaintances. It wasn't like Lex Luthor offering a deal to Superman, they did get along at some point. That makes it doubly interesting.
>ALASTOR IS MISSING
>LoL never mind he is just right there
lol what was even the point of that, I was expecting him to just stay hidden until some big reveal in next season
They needed him to sing about his motives (a bad choice imo) so they had to have him be alone for a bit. Being alone after getting rekt makes sense since his whole thing is never appearing weak or out of control. Once he recouped, he'd naturally return back asap to keep up appearances
Is Alastor large-building level power
>The V's start spewing bullshit about power vacuums
>not a single overlord killed
??????
>hey, those weapons that were left by the angels after today's extermination? Are you saying they can slay overlords too? And Goetia? Holy shit.
They don't know that Alastor made it out + Now they can start looking into angelic weaponry to try and boss others around.
Seriously, I get the want to bash the show but could it be based on the genuine things like Pentious having a laughably (not funny) bad death?
>show but could it be based on the genuine things like Pentious having a laughably (not funny) bad death?
Pentious's death was perfect imo
Yeah, I really can't argue that it fits him as the joke character, it's just me malding because it was insulting but it doesn't make it not the perfect way to kill him off.
They're assuming Alistor was the only one that actually stood a chance and now they think that since he's out of the way they're going to just steam roll everyone else. In other words they're preemptively celebrating.
There have been power vacuums since the last extermination, Rosie tries to give Alastor the heads up on one in particular that she knew of, and the vees saw Alastor get fricked and assume he's going to be in a weakened state for a minute
Are you suprised?
it was already mentioned in a previous episode that they are arrogant morons who will probably die to their own Overconfidence at some point.
WE
FRICKING
WON
SNAKEBROS!!! HES THE FIRST DEMON TO EVER BE REDEEMED!!! A HERO FOR ALL SINNERS!!!
viv has good taste making vox and val canon though
her yuri ships may suck but she knows her fujoshit
Charlastor is surprisingly stronk
How would the series change if the show took at Purgatory instead?
Charlastor going strong
So Alastor "dies" and no one gives a frick really, then Pentious dies and everyone freaks out and starts crying (I guess cause they saw it happen?) but then in the song later it seems like they are only referencing Pentious. I know Husk is chained by him so maybe that's how they knew Alastor was still alive but then Charlie was surprised when he showed up later in the song.
Yeah, Husk would KNOW if Alastor was dead. I'm sure their surprise is just that he came back at all.
You're really overthinking this shit. I'm 100% sure you're putting more thought into this than the writer did.
I think I may be literally the only person who cares that Dazzle died.
Everything was moving so fast and too much shit was happening that I didn't even register the little goat guy got offed, but got annoyed when other anons pointed it out. It was a REALLY fricking stupid and totally unnecessary decision
I just wanted Charlie and Lucifer to care about it a little, considering the implication that they go way back. Hell, even when Charlie is crying in her room “alone,” she still lets Razzle and Dazzle in to comfort her. I was almost kind of expecting their backstory to go all the way back to Heaven with Lu since they kinda look like lambs.
So...we just gonna ignore alastors comment about his wings? or was it just him being dramatic
It's a figure of speech
To clip someone's wings means to restrain them
I just took it as a metaphor. He's b***hing and moaning that he would've won if it wasn't for Lilith's influence, that his fight was a bridge too far.
God, what if alastor was an angel that made a deal out of sheer bordem and got sent to hell for shots and giggles, but realized he didn't like being on a leash.
This show earned an entire whole point more because of Alastor getting his shit blown out by Adam. It was so satisfying, he's so fricking annoying.
Camilla introduces three problems within the space of like 30 seconds:
>Confirms Vaggie should know better than anyone that angels can be "harmed", but somehow doesn't
It's almost like Viv is going out of her way to create stupid, unnecessary holes in her story, and then instead of fix them, unnecessarily highlight her own stupid shit.
>"It's not rocket science" to figure out Vaggie is an angel
It's almost like Viv is going out of her way to create stupid, unnecessary holes in her story, and then instead of fix them, unnecessarily highlight her own stupid shit.
>recounts story of how she killed the angel
>you see her and her daughters surrounded by five angels
>she kills one
>what happened to the other four
>why did Heaven not know who did it, then have to find the body later? >if she wanted to keep it secret so as not to bring destruction down up her and her daughters she would have had to kill all of them
>but only one angel is dead
>she says some shit about buying her daughters time to escape
>so the other four angels went after her daughters
>how would they survive that?
>how would the angels still not figure out who killed the angel?
It's almost like Viv is going out of her way to create stupid, unnecessary holes in her story, and then instead of fix them, unnecessarily highlight her own stupid shit.
Frick you Viv. It's almost like she thinks she lampshading holes in her story in her own mind, but is just pointing out dumb shit she could easily fix instead. Either that or she's just oblivious, and I don't know which is worse.
>Confirms Vaggie should know better than anyone that angels can be "harmed"
Yeah, no, we all universally agree it's dumb, at least It's Vaggie, who is not that likable to begin with, but yeah no, there's no defending this.
>It's not rocket science
That whole portion was a jab at the fact Vaggie wasn't originally meant to be an Angel but because of fans pointing out her eye, and her weapon precisely like Carmilla did, she changed it. Plus, it's not a unnecessary hole, ever since the ending of Episode 5 they were reminding people she was an Angel with her reaction to Charlie wanting to go to heaven, and then her entire appearance in Episode 6 just being her coping with that secret she didn't tell Charlie.
Complain about the fact it's just unnecessary drama, that much I agree with, and even then, Charlie is only mad that Vaggie held the truth from her more than she killed her people (even if it does start factoring in BECAUSE Vaggie lied.)
>Implying the angels didn't get scared after seeing one of their own fricking decapitated or were fended off by the perfectly capable Carmilla.
I'm sorry anon, it's not a hard leap in logic to see what happened.
>I'm sorry anon, it's not a hard leap in logic to see what happened.
Okay, so they run away in the version of shit you just made up in your own head, and then what ALSO told nobody because they were afraid to admit it I guess, but ALSO Viv didn't take even a single frame to show that happening because WHY again ... ?
You see how ridiculous this shit gets? You have to guess and build a house of cards in your own mind to even make it work by any kind of logic.
Also people who do this kind of thing and have their own "logical" version of what they think happened are prone to have Viv just come along with some morono tweet and tell them, "No, that's wrong", and then where are you?
We're not guessing that much anon.
Especially since the battle looks over, it's just there was a few lingering angels, and given Carmilla's capabilities, I'm subscribing more to the she fended them off and made them frick off idea rather than she still let them frick around and endanger her daughters.
It's not that hard of an assumption, and it doesn't need to be, it does not at all seem that hard to run from Angels especially for daughters of a weapon's dealer who probably could be safely guarded once they reach a safehouse.
Also, I do not give a frick if Viv tried to correct people making sound logical conclusions to fill the gaps she didn't bother (nor needed to in some of these ass complaints you guys make up) to fill in, death to the author and all.
You're just working yourself up the wall for something that's not that big of a deal actually, not even Adam actually knew they had a weakness to angelic weapons, if anything you should complain about that more, he's either REALLY fricking stupid (canon), or no one actually tested the weapons properly (not canon)
Oh hi Viv. No what I'm saying is instead of wasting time on bullshit, you could just put that information in. I know that you know some moronic reason in your own head, (maybe), but you can't assume the audience knows it. Rookie mistake.
Basically you introduced your own problem for no reason. You could have had her fighting one angel right from the start, but you wanted them to be 'surrounded' so made it five, and then when five was an inconvenient number, you just changed it to one again.
Otherwise you'd see at least one frame of the other angels being shocked and flying away in the background or whatever.
>Y-y-y-you're viv!
Good to know you really don't have much of an argument other than just strawmanning that Viv is always arguing with you, schizo.
It's not that big of a problem that Carmilla handled five Angels, once she decapitates one, it's easy to see the angels b***hing out.
But go ahead and cry some more about it.
>Viv spaz out
>Viv confirmed
>claims I didn't make an argument even though I did
>Viv double confirmed
Lay off the burgers you fat b***h.
>Doesn't bother to retort anything said
>"Y-y-y-you're viv!"
>Gets called out for being a schizo over Viv.
>"Y-Y-Y-Y-YOU'RE DOUBLY VIV!"
Take your meds
Why would I need meds Viv, you're the neurotic psycho b***h.
Strange weapons, they seemed to do everything the plot demands them to.
>Yeah, no, we all universally agree it's dumb, at least It's Vaggie, who is not that likable to begin with, but yeah no, there's no defending this.
Even if Vaggie knew demons could hurt angels, Vaggie couldn't say it because she wasn't going to reveal that she was an exorcist. Also until after alastor's deal was made, Charlie nor Vaggie would have okayed a battle, so it's not even worth her thinking about.
Vaggie had no idea demons could hurt angels and no reason to believe. Shed never seen a demon hurt an exorcist in all of her raids. She only knew another angel hurt her.
Also Vaggie just up and grows her wings back in that scene - just because reasons.
I hate that scene so fricking much.
I like the idea of her regrowing her wings, but it sucks that she doesn't have the time to react to it at all.
In a better paced show, Carmilla would tell her something she didn't know, or have some way for her to get her wings back. Even if it's just some gay little pep talk specifically about that where she feels like she can't fight effectively anymore without her wings, and like Carmilla knows something about angel self-healing abilities and that she can do it if she focuses/motivated/etc.
Angels regenerating their wings whenever they're fulfilled or enlightened or by the power of love or whatever is a pretty common trope in shows that have angels, so it's not surprising.
But yeah that part was pretty lame and the show would have been better without the whole vaggie carmella dance fight b plot. Or without vaggie in general.
I didn’t even mind the song or the dance sequence, but I was seriously distracted during it by thinking of how pointless and unnecessary it was. Nothing was communicated in that song that couldn’t have been covered by like one sentence of regular dialogue.
It was definitely just there because viv and the writers thought people would like vaggie more than anyone did and because they could use any of the other hotel reside ts during that b story because then it would be a "surprise" when they were still at the hotel
I like stephanie beatriz in some of her TV roles but she had no charisma as a VA.
>I like stephanie beatriz in some of her TV roles but she had no charisma as a VA.
This tbh senpai
There was not one sequence with Vaggie where it sounded like Stephanie wanted to be there
That's the problem, insert trope, just expect you to take it as read.
It's like doing a vampire movie and not establishing your rules because you know vampires right? But there is different lore, like silver, but sometimes that's only for werewolves. So you can't just have characters know for sure that silver works and bet their life on it, because you wouldn't do that IRL.
Amir is a strange looking goblin of a man.
>almost decade old characters
>still empty husks
thanks viv
Rosie is team Charlastor eh?
It sure is convenient that Pentious shows up close to the relevant angels instead of spamming at the fricking heaven gate
God’s will
Well that was lousy, I'll check clips of season 2 when it comes out in three years with Vox and Pentious in them since the writing sure as hell isn't going to get any better. Take care lads
I don't blame you. Cya.
The bawds winning so hard and just having a blast made me laugh.
Hot as frick though
Man I hope these three get that spinoff at some point, I love them
I hope Valentino gets his shit pushed in by Husk then he gives up on Angel and just commits to Vox instead of him dying
Their love is vile and blasphemous.
>ripped her own arm off
not sure if hot or not
Katie Killjoy just having the voice of a dude now still makes mad
Are you so mindbroken that you think it's a troony thing? Do you watch Monty Python skits and get mad, too?
Unironically sounds closer to Toms original voice than the new fricking Tom does
I wonder how the pacing would feel if this were released gradually online at the same slower pace something like helluva boss is. Obviously it would still feel rushed when watched in sequence, but I feel like with a few months between episodes the timeline would at least feel more natural.
I doubt it was Viv's choice, Amazon probably wanted to make sure retention and viewership remained hyped to make as much money as possible.
Kek, it was always gonna be 8, can't wait to see the cope when season 2 is shit too.
Sounds like Viv took a shit deal.
Good to know she's incompetent.
Oh for sure, I have no doubt amazon was in control of the release schedule. To be honest I'm glad episodes were as spread out as they were instead of all 8 dumped at once.
I'm not speculating about who had control over the release schedule, just thinking about how someone could have their writing affected when they're trained on episode-by-episode online releases. With months of people discussing and thinking about each of these episodes in between each release, what seems like breakneck pacing now would probably feel way more natural.
Not saying this as either a defense or a criticism, just musing.
Yeeah, agreeing with
If Viv could pace it out better, I think she could at least have managed that, this feels like it's Amazon making her peddle out this shit far too quickly with not enough space to do so.
Why didn't anyone call out Alastor for b***hing out?
they didn't know what even happen
I imagine Charlie at least thought he died/got hurt rather than thinking he would just run away.
At this point Husk is probably the only one who hates him enough to call him out on it, but he's scared of him.
He did all he could at that point. Who would have faulted him for not staying and distracting adam for all of the 2 seconds it will take to kill him.
They all also fought Adam and failed, so who are they to talk? Had to be saved by Luci. I guess this means the official power structure is
Lucifer > Nifty > Alastor
This is why Alastor and Niffty seem the closest to each other. Strength respects strength.
I’m almost curious what it is Nifty’s backstory is, but I’m also pretty convinced that the writers never even came up with one for her, and she exists solely as a vehicle for gags.
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Did she suddenly forget that Valentino and Vox are dating or was she skipping every moment with Valentino
If you aren't paying attention to them being touchy feely it just seems like Velvette is giving them shit
I had no idea they were dating until I saw the screenshot of them kissing on here, I didn't even notice it when I was watching the episode lmao
me neither
They kissed?
These two were so cute. Velvette too.
Gonna be really disappointing when season 2 starts killing them off or making them as unlikable as possible because Viv gets pissy when people like her villains too much.
Nah Viv said she wants to make a spinoff with them, she loves them
Where the frick was Lucifer the whole time? "Sorry I was late!" does not begin to cover it when people died Black person
Vaggie never once considered shanking a b***h after she, herself, got shanked? Not to mention that she very visibly bleeds just from getting her head bashed in on a decidedly non-angelic surface
Why bother transforming Razzle and Dazzle just for them to get jobbed in 17 seconds? What was with the earrape bass boosted roar?
Why play Pentious' death for laughs and try to make it a tear jerker within FIVE ENTIRE SECONDS?
Was Sera not actively blocking souls from being redeemed? Was there SERIOUSLY not even one single worthy soul in hell that died over the entire span of humanity?
Why the frick does Adam keep saying he's not a "mortal soul" when he is explicitly a human? The first human, sure, but human all the same.
What's with Carmine's bullshit excuse about the weapons? "Sinners with angelic weapons weren't eager to test them on angels" feels like the polar opposite of what certified psychopaths with brand new, shiny knives made of otherworldly metal would do
Why waste all that screentime on the Vees? It established nothing except the fact they exist
This shit desperately needed at LEAST double the episodes if not more
>Where the frick was Lucifer the whole time? "Sorry I was late!" does not begin to cover it when people died Black person
Yeah, you've got to love how Lucifer is cheering up Charlie about Pentious being dead, the guy who is basically responsible for showing up seconds after. Gotta love how he let's his daughter get the shit kicked out of her too.
>Vaggie never once considered shanking a b***h after she, herself, got shanked? Not to mention that she very visibly bleeds just from getting her head bashed in on a decidedly non-angelic surface
All the justifications about Vaggie being fallen, but still has gold angel blood. Paper cut would have exposed her.
>Why bother transforming Razzle and Dazzle just for them to get jobbed in 17 seconds? What was with the earrape bass boosted roar?
Yeah lame.
>Why play Pentious' death for laughs and try to make it a tear jerker within FIVE ENTIRE SECONDS?
Everything, every emotional beat was rushed to the point of infinitesimal non-existence. It's like those quantum virtual particles that last so brief a time they barely even exist. That's what this is Quantum Virtual Drama, where you get:
>a quantum of drama
>a quantum of sorrow
>a quantum of levity
>a quantum of happiness
And they all annihilate each other out of existence immediately.
What do you guys want in season 2? For me
>Honestly I'd like to see more of Alastor hurting Husk to show how much of a monster he is like the show keeps hinting at
>Human backstory for Husk/Angel/Nifty/Pentious
>Vees shenanigans, Valentino singing
>Lucifer and Lilith interactions beyond just the season finale
>Baxter replacing Pentious in the hotel but I have little hope because it looks like Cherri is gonna be that
What is Lilith's fricking deal? Did she just get tired of Lucifer and decided to frick off once Charlie hit 18?
Some big mysterious event involving her and Alastor and maybe one or more other parties happened 7 years ago.
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Her outfits and hair just get progressively sillier.
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>Baxter is Pentious's replacement
That's one easy way for me to get soured on a character
YES