Sex with Alastor whether he likes it or not!
Sex with Valentino whether you like it or not!
Sex with Vox and making sure he likes it!
Sex with Pentious and he makes sure you like it!
Sex with Adam and you like it because it's heaven b***h!
Just finished the show myself and I dont know where to ask but what was alastor's motivation for helping Hazbin hotel?
Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny. Watch the pilot if you haven't already, it's done better there. But the last couple of episodes imply that he's being forced to look after Charlie by someone else--Hudk says he's also on a leash and Alastor mentions freeing himself from something while he's coping and seething after losing to Adam.
>Lucifer and Adam
Adam sadly belongs in the same sub-Sera tier as Lilith and Charlie unless it turns out there are extenuating circumstances for his shit performance versus Luci.
They won me over at least.
[...]
Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny. Watch the pilot if you haven't already, it's done better there. But the last couple of episodes imply that he's being forced to look after Charlie by someone else--Hudk says he's also on a leash and Alastor mentions freeing himself from something while he's coping and seething after losing to Adam.
>Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny.
In a sense, he already did.
No, it didn't change my opinion of them. Visually they look good together but their relationship as a whole is still a blackhole of charisma. Charlastor and Charlie/Emily are vastly superior and Vaggie had a better relationship dynamic with AD in the pilot than she did with Charlie throughout the whole show.
I just wonder how much of a power gap it is between Goetia and Overlords, I feel like some of the top tier overlords like Alastor could probably beat a Goetia if Stolas is a good example of a powerful one.
The most HB has shown the Sins do is they can transform into giant true forms, I’m guessing like how Lucifer and Charlie had their demonic forms.
It’s also been implied they may have been angels who fell with Lucifer, but no idea why they look more demonic in comparison.
Eh. I mean. Alastor can get big too, I'm not terribly impressed.
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Are the other deadly sins and goetia demons fallen angels too? Speaking of, I'm still not over Helluva Boss retconning Stolas into a guy in his 30's, dude should've been older than the universe.
The way they described Hell's origin in Hazbin, it sounded to me like Lucifer was the only angel that actually fell and the other Hellborn demons just kind of...sprang up around him. Like edgy gay potatoes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah the only reason I think the other Sins are fallen angels as well is Asmodeus mentions he’s known Mammon since before Hell started up, so it doesn’t sound like they are Hellborn like the Goetia and others are.
>It’s also been implied they may have been angels who fell with Lucifer
i think the implication might be just that they're the first of the hellborn since the war in heaven never happened and lucifer holds power over them by being a natural angel
3 months ago
Anonymous
He would have power over them regardless because he is a seraphim.
Probably not large. Goetias just seem like decadent nobles who've had it easy for a long time.
I bet Alastor or Vox could beat some low or middle-level Goetia. Alastor could probably also bully Ozzie and Queen Bee a good bit (that was still a horribly stupid depiction of Beelzebub).
I like Al' but Beelzebub and Asmodeus seem so squishy and nice because they literally have never once been in a life-threatening situation so far in their own show.
If Alastor put them in a life or death fight they'd vaporize him or drop their 'cuddly' form and become sort sort of 50 headed, razor-penised, 1000 eyed Berserk apostle looking thing and rip Al's head off in one swing.
Given we seen Char Char have multiple forms I don't even think Luci has shown us his full moron mode given how easily he was bodying Adam.
c**ts a fricking moron for thinking Al has a chance at all.
I'll believe it when the so called "Deadly Sins" actually do something impressive. because they just seem like figureheads now who no one should respect.
3 months ago
Anonymous
this
in Helluva Boss they've done literally nothing, and Asmodeus has been shown to be an impatient, illiterate, incompetent shit who almost signed a contract that would have let an imp have all his factories and use his gay clown's head as a wall decoration, and according to Stolas "a deal made with a Sin is everlastingly binding" so he doesn't even take his own authority and the stuff he's bound too seriously
the only impressive thing we've seen the Sins do is become bigger, we saw Beelzebub do it, we saw Asmodeus and Mammon do it and other than getting bigger and making threats, they do jack shit
the only authority in Hell that's show to actually have power is Lucifer and he's still hobbled by the fact he's a depressed nerd who's still reeling from his divorce apparently
3 months ago
Anonymous
The "Sins" can grow to big size if they're angry, but so can an Overlord like Alastor, so...
Queen Bee is one of Viv's best characters due. Both her design and the subtle implication that the parties are part of some weird magic where she goes berserk if disrupted were great
Frick no, the Goetia family is the third most influential family in hell for a reason.
It's better to think of the overlords as big fish in a small pond: only powerful among little shits, which is why they're only ever fighting each other for scraps.
I just wonder how much of a power gap it is between Goetia and Overlords, I feel like some of the top tier overlords like Alastor could probably beat a Goetia if Stolas is a good example of a powerful one.
Me, I'm wondering what the power gap between Sins and Goetia is. Did the Sins ever do anything impressive in Helluva?
And yeah, Alastor probably has some extra bullshit up his sleeve given he debuted by overpowering other overlords.
Are the other deadly sins and goetia demons fallen angels too? Speaking of, I'm still not over Helluva Boss retconning Stolas into a guy in his 30's, dude should've been older than the universe.
The goetia are definitely born in hell, they aren't fallen angels. They seem to be the most powerful of the native hellborn races by virtue of being the only ones capable of using magic.
>overlords can do magic
You are moronic if you think they're the only magical race. They're just the only properly arcane bloodline. It's why they exist. Like frick, man, get it together - Luna casts spells in HB season 1.
Power in the realms of the afterlife are based on AT LEAST two properties with potential for other factors.
Souls and embodiment. Overlords are more powerful if they own more souls and power can also be granted to someone if you have their soul. Embodiment of a concept works from the smallest overlord to the big bosses, the sins.
Realmborn are spawned as they are and do not desire souls so they are limited by their arcane knowledge (again see Luna or any other demon using spells - there are several including his sister and the succubi).
Yeah, Luna is literally using the Goetia book to cast a spell, she can't cast spells without it. Blitzo's sister uses a similar spell that goes to the human world, but she uses a fricking magic ring (made by the goetia) to do it, it was the main plot point of the first half of that episode.
Imps and Hellhounds can "use" magic tools but they aren't magical. You can see this clearly in the LA episode where Luna struggles to light her cigarette, and goth bird does it for her, even though stolas has barely trained her in any magic apparently.
Imps and hellhounds just use the magic tools the goetia make, that's the whole underlying plot of Helluva boss, i.e. why Blitzo wants Stolas book to get too the human world.
I can't give less of a frick about this power level bullshit given how things develop in the show >Striker almost killed an Ars Goetia because he had angelic weapon, something people in hell can just get by buying it from Carmilla or finding it post-extermination. >virtually no difference between imps, hellhounds and hellborn >The seven deadly sins have to hide their relationships or abusive work environment despite being rulers of their rings and being able to do whatever the frick they want with zero repercussions whatsoever.
Also they are LITERALLY THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS why would they hide their own sins? >Charlie and Lucifer get no respect being mistreated and insulted by all the sinners alike, Lucifer himself being intimidated by a mere overlord like Alastor
What's the point of a system like this in shows when characters can just ignore their status and insult or beat each other regardless of who they are? An imp kidnapped the sin of Lust's boyfriend and he had to negotiate his freedom? Can't you just use your powers, or the powers of your Ars Goetia friend to just instantly free him? It's all bullshit.
>What's the point of a system like this
Drama, the writers don't care so the characters don't care. All that matters is the relationship drama. I agree with you kinda silly to have these "power rankings" to be tbh
But the only relationship drama is one person is rich and the other is poor. You don't need a power level system for that, just make one character a rich person and another a poor one.
>Striker almost killed an Ars Goetia because he had angelic weapon
The two are called (Consecrated weapon vs Angelic weapon) and look (silver vs glowing yellow) differently. So either Striker has a contact better than Carmilla or ... I'm sure it'll be explained (not).
To be fair, most of the time angels would have been fighting together, not in 1v1 duels with no back up. Even if you dropped a piano on one angel, the others would just stab you then dig her out.
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No, it didn't change my opinion of them. Visually they look good together but their relationship as a whole is still a blackhole of charisma. Charlastor and Charlie/Emily are vastly superior and Vaggie had a better relationship dynamic with AD in the pilot than she did with Charlie throughout the whole show.
They're both super sexy, everyone here is.
But they have negative chemistry and sex appeal together.
As a couple they read as not having been intimate in years or are incapable of it and also you're not being this supporting and loving if you're not intimate, especially given their "age", sexuality, physical shape.
>Vaggie constantly whipping out her angelic spear ready to stab people like Sir Pentious
In hindsight that’s really fricked up, like imagine Charlie’s reaction to her gf permanently murdering someone.
>Lucifer and Adam on the same tier
NO.
Lucifer is miles above adam. Some overlords are above jobber angels.
Cosmologically:
Divine>Profane
Locally:
Head - inherent avatar of the domain >lucifer >either the remaining six angels or Michael
Principles - highest powers below the head who manage the domain and embody essential functions/elements >the sins >the six head angels (seen in More Than Anything - and implying Luci was one of them)
Deputies - entities descending from or related to the head or principles >goetia and other princes >virtues probably - all the unique angels seen in the court
Empowered Mortals - Mortal souls who have empowered themselves through supernatural means such as embodiment and souls >adam >the overlords
Mortal Souls - mortal souls with pseudo-immortality but little power >mortal angels >mortal demons
Realborn - entities who produced by the realm but who do not embody essential functions like the principles and their off spring >cherubs >imps and assorted morons (there's no reason to rate succubi above imps they're on the same level even if imps are the worst of it)
>Empowered Mortals - Mortal souls who have empowered themselves through supernatural means such as embodiment and souls >>adam
That wouldn't make sense considering that Lilith as the first human is on the level of Charlie, who is above the Sins. Adam makes a clear distinction between him and other mortal souls.
I mean, I know that even in the current bible at one point God compares his relationship to Israel like grooming a child bride so I believe you
Probably not large. Goetias just seem like decadent nobles who've had it easy for a long time.
I bet Alastor or Vox could beat some low or middle-level Goetia. Alastor could probably also bully Ozzie and Queen Bee a good bit (that was still a horribly stupid depiction of Beelzebub).
It's so weird to remember Charlie is technically super powerful, but just so hilariously bad at fighting it's almost completely irrelevant.
No.
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss reference the Ars-Goetia, The daemonology and the idea of the '7-deadly-sins' [Which in the show each has a spirit who is in command of it, each of which is basically made a demigod overseeing a transcendental (a)morality] and the idea of the 'circles of hell' from Dante. And the idea of 'ranks and orders of Angels' from the Theurgists and John Dee and co'
It's really more like a Italian Renaissance + ~1600s British early-enlightenment painting of reality and the supernatural - And not 'JRPG art-school try-hard who read the wikipedia page on Gnosticism and Catharism once'.
The telltale for that kind of chuunibyo writing isn't the mythologies used so much as that they're not thrown in with much rhyme or reason
This basically sums it up: https://youtu.be/iNPK6DzQCzY?si=7Q-YD9RLps28BKra
She came up with the bi racial thing afterwards because of twitterites
According go this post Viv said it was close and recently people are asking for source on that but honestly who fricking knows, the comment is years old now
The lore for this series is all over the place and there really is a lot of contradiction for certain things
I guess if someone wants to watch hundreds of hours of stream footage maybe the source could be found but Viv changes her mind about too much so what's the point
https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/i4oh0w/is_this_really_alastors_canon_human_appearance/
It must be insane to be a new fan who only seen the show on Amazon, when there’s the pilot that the show references you’d have to go look up on YouTube, then years worth of interviews and streams dripping lore and soft-canon about characters that you’d have to surf the wiki for.
Not to mention how trying to find the wiki might end up on that fanfic wiki instead since they are near identical.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Who can even remember everything from those streams I certainly can't
This is really why I treat canon for this series like a build your own plate buffet and at the end of the day I've got my own autism version of things in my head anyway
Everything being so confusing is a double edged sword
Also didn't JTTL have actual leaks at one point
3 months ago
Anonymous
Speaking of Amazon, they better be looking at these numbers. The "Prime Video" YouTube channel's lowest viewed Hazbin Hotel video (We Love the Hell Out of Charlie Morningstar) has only 123k views and released 14 hours ago as of this comment. The most viewed video (Hell's Greatest Dad) has 12m views in 11 days.
They have to know how ravenous the fans are for content; and if they don't capitalize or at the very least invest more money for episodes or content they're literally throwing money away.
3 months ago
Anonymous
hope they aren't moronic like the invincible crew
3 months ago
Anonymous
Glad Netflix didn't get to cancel the show, they're VERY bad with numbers
3 months ago
Anonymous
Netflix seems more interested in causing havoc than giving seasons to popular shows
3 months ago
Anonymous
Still very confused on why they canceled Inside Job or even cut Bojack Horsemans last season but kept shit like Big Mouth
3 months ago
Anonymous
They do that for accounting taxes. They have lots of productions, so adult cartoons are the ones that are the easiest to cut since the have one of the smallest target demographics.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Hell's Greatest Dad at 12m views
Yeah I'm thinking based
3 months ago
Anonymous
The only upside with Amazon Prime is the fact that they're part of a company that deals in other things.
Does Helluva Boss work better because it's low stakes?
Dealing with Imps and a failson rather than the daughter of Lucifer, the first man Adam and the redemption of souls?
>Does Helluva Boss work better because it's low stakes?
no, Vivzie completely stopped caring about the actual company business stuff and it's just character exploration upon character exploration for literally whos
she failed to keep the stakes low
I'm about to make a bingo card for these reader insert fics they're all the same shit and the porn is written badly when I do find it I hate tag trekking
At this point any good reader or OC porn with any of the boys but especially Alastor but I won't be picky with who since I can get off to almost anyone so long as they are in character
Realistically they all lose to Alastor. The normal angels couldn't break through his weird barrier even with blessed weapons and he held off Adam for a long time. He is clearly more powerful than IMP and Stolas.
I think Stolas is still stronger than Alastor terms of utter raw power but he's a passive homosexual so he gets his ass beaten more often than it should happen.
I think he is weaker in terms of combat potential but has a lot of strong powers that aren't necessarily related to combat. He can open portals without his book and has access to a lot of powerful spells related to his theme of studying the stars. But all that fancy shit won't stop a shadow tentacle from squeezing the life out of you
It would be fun if "The Deadly Sins" and "The Overlords" were roughly the same level of power, representing the official/unofficial power of Hell and the classic sins/more modern sins
It's fricking empty
You kids don't know what a plot hole is. Every time I see people try to name some it's either just a contrivance and not a hole or it's literally just "I would have done this differently"
Has anyone made a list of plotholes?
We can do it.
Why didn't Vaggie know angelic weapons can hurt angels?
>Why didn't vaggie know angelic weapons hurt angels
For all she knew saving the kid made her fall and become vulnerable
That's not what a plot hole is
A plot hole would be the angelic weapons working inconsistently
Is Carmilla's whole business based around angels being moronic and leaving their weapons behind?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Carmilla's just a weapons dealer, she knows Angelic Metal can hurt angels but that's not her product. I don't know why I keep seeing people thinking everything she sells is angelic.
She has a personal stash of angelic metal and infused her boots, besides that the only angelic metal weapons we see are the ones she makes for the Hotel
3 months ago
Anonymous
There is the Carmine rifle from HB, holy rope of Striker (which is stupid) and his guns that most likely are also Carmine. So yes. She does sell them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Shit from another series unrelated to A24
Doesn't exist.
>Lute and Adam don't know Angelic weapons can harm an angel
It's vague, the most you can say for sure is they didn't know demons had used angelic weapons
Even then, the same easy explanation applies: they thought the power was in being a angel not the metal
Communication doesn't seem to be a strong suit in heaven
No one seemed to know what anyone else was up to in the meeting.
It does. It's the same fricking Universe.
>Vivzie said it was canon on a live stream!
I don't give a shit, if it's not in the script it doesn't exist.
3 months ago
Anonymous
hazbin is different in that its a fandom with a show, not a show with a fandom
it's not like it's some new show that garnered a fanbase through its own merit, the actual show for hazbin came to be as a result of it's already prevalent fandom, it's more a way of giving fans more fuel for fan content and theories rather than it being a standalone piece of media
3 months ago
Anonymous
Be that as it may I can only judge the A24 production on its own merits, I don't care about Vivzie or her streams
3 months ago
Anonymous
then you're only getting a small piece of the metaphorical puzzle, my friend
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not how writing works.
If it's not in the script it doesn't exist. Shit Vivzie blabs about at random on a stream are not finalized ideas.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wait a few years after the show when they have their own council of Rome
Yeah their subconscious probably retained that info, but you gotta remember who's writing this and what their goal is: Drama
Characters will learn and unlearn things depending on what the writer wants, especially if it'll create more *Drama*
Here's another one for you to think about: why did Charlie make a deal with Alastor when last time she used her princess status to command him to help? In-universe it's because she doesn't like pulling rank and she was in an emotional state. Still a silly choice, but it creates ¡Drama!
>Why did they make Pentious death a joke while all characters react crying and shocked? >Comedy? >Drama?
Yes and yes
I snickered when he died instantly with all the hype, figured that type of death would be rewarded. However, the *characters* (and silly goobers) don't know he was redeemed. To them, his death was dramatic
[...] >Why didn't vaggie know angelic weapons hurt angels
For all she knew saving the kid made her fall and become vulnerable
That's not what a plot hole is
A plot hole would be the angelic weapons working inconsistently
Also Lute and Adam don't know Angelic weapons can harm an angel... despite using them to maim Vaggie
That can be explained easily with angels can hurt each other, but demons are powerless against them.
It can be explained away a bunch of different ways
I really really don't get why people are trying to read so hard into things or getting upset that the show is a shallow spectacle and not Breaking Bad but in hell. I expected sparkledog characters doing sitcom shit and musical numbers and that's exactly what I got.
For the billionth time, that is called a contrivance not a plot hole.
The angels and adam being morons seems pretty intentional to me
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Characters have to be moronic for plot to work.
What's that?
Not all the characters are Moriarty tier levels of planners?
They're not Yu-Gi-Oh level trap card setters?
They make mistakes and act emotional?
Characters can only be as smart as the writer?
This snappy animated musical isn't Lin-Manuel Miranda's "Hamilton" tier?
"If the characters didn't do X none of this would've happened" meaning no literally story?
I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
Nta but Vaggie being so moronic she couldn't figure out angel weapons can kill angels after being mutilated by one stands out
3 months ago
Anonymous
She probably thought only angels can hurt angels.
3 months ago
Anonymous
homie we've been over this scroll up
3 months ago
Anonymous
This
[...] >Why didn't vaggie know angelic weapons hurt angels
For all she knew saving the kid made her fall and become vulnerable
That's not what a plot hole is
A plot hole would be the angelic weapons working inconsistently
is a fat load of bullshit because it's not like she suddenly warped into her powerless
state after sparing the kid, she literally just got teamganked.
She probably thought only angels can hurt angels.
And that doesn't make any sense because Adam didn't zap her, she was cut apart by an ANGEL SWORD
Yes, Vaggie is moronic, we know this
But honestly yeah, this is the only explanation.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>that doesn't make sense because (meaningless distinction based on bad assumptions by you)
uh huh
3 months ago
Anonymous
Adam sure is popular with women for an alleged misogynist.
>Clearly they're his harem-
If they were he wouldn't be wasting time trying to pick up chicks in a boy band, evidently they just really like him.
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How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction? There's no evidence to suggest angels have some kind of innate Smite Evil effect, exorcists sure as hell aren't immune to falling rubble
Considering Vaggie spent her whole life training (probably violently) with other exorcists, she thought only angels could hurt other angels.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, Vaggie is moronic, we know this
3 months ago
Anonymous
Adam sure is popular with women for an alleged misogynist.
>Clearly they're his harem-
If they were he wouldn't be wasting time trying to pick up chicks in a boy band, evidently they just really like him.
>that doesn't make sense because (meaningless distinction based on bad assumptions by you)
uh huh
How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction? There's no evidence to suggest angels have some kind of innate Smite Evil effect, exorcists sure as hell aren't immune to falling rubble
3 months ago
Anonymous
>How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction
because the difference could be the wielder >there's no evidence...
for anything, it's completely vague and not elaborated on at all. You know why? Because it's completely fricking unimportant.
Maybe Vaggie thought she had fallen and that made her vulnerable. Maybe she thought only a weapon wielded by an angel could hurt an angel. Maybe she's just a dumb c**t that didn't think about it. Two things are for sure:
1 - it's not a goddamned plot hole
2 - it doesn't fricking matter
3 months ago
Anonymous
>extroverted high status guy is popular despite constant verbal sexism
Art imitates life. Accidentally based Vivzie is my favourite aspect of the show.
3 months ago
Anonymous
didn't Adam literally create the Exterminators himself
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah? so what?
3 months ago
Anonymous
so why wouldn't he make them obsessed with his dick?
3 months ago
Anonymous
They have free will or Vag wouldn't have turned out to be a filthy sinner lover and carpet muncher.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>filthy sinner lover and carpet muncher.
Hot as frick, though
3 months ago
Anonymous
To think, half of these angels are getting their asses eaten by cannibals
3 months ago
Anonymous
>cannibal teeth can harm angels
Wtf?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The angels and adam being morons seems pretty intentional to me
So you agree, all exterminations and Adam need to be moronic for the plot to work.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I agree that Adam and the Executioners are moronic, but I don't understand why you think that's a bad thing. I can only imagine you've heard a youtuber talk about bad mystery dramas like Sherlock and just thought "oh, characters acting dumb is always bad even if the character is purposely and explicitly dumb"
>Characters have to be moronic for plot to work.
What's that?
Not all the characters are Moriarty tier levels of planners?
They're not Yu-Gi-Oh level trap card setters?
They make mistakes and act emotional?
Characters can only be as smart as the writer?
This snappy animated musical isn't Lin-Manuel Miranda's "Hamilton" tier?
"If the characters didn't do X none of this would've happened" meaning no literally story?
I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
It seems like all the discussion of this show is on that level. Absurd nitpicking, headcanons, extrapolations, and just focusing in as hard as possible on elements of the story that only exist to facilitate the music and sitcom stuff.
It's "complaining that the mother isn't in How I Met Your Mother" levels of petty shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but because there's nothing much else to discuss. What do you want to see? In depth discussion of each sex joke's comedic timing? Robust analysis of babby's first musical number? HH is 80% style, 15% deep character lore from half a decade of hype, and maybe 5% substance on a good day.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>what do you want to see
The show is all style with little substance, so talking about the style would be nice.
Then again Cinemaphile has absolutely no vocabulary to talk about music or animation so I guess they literally CAN'T talk about the meat of the show.
3 months ago
Anonymous
On the one hand, the style makes my eyes bleed. On the other hand, the substance isn't better.
>NO JUST SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE CATCHY SONG-
Cats (2019) isn't good just because it had songs in it, you know
3 months ago
Anonymous
Half of the songs are unnecessary.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>half the songs are unnecessary
The songs are literally the entire purpose of the show.
If you're not there for the music you should probably just watch something else
On the one hand, the style makes my eyes bleed. On the other hand, the substance isn't better.
>NO JUST SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE CATCHY SONG-
Cats (2019) isn't good just because it had songs in it, you know
>Cats (2019) isn't good because it had songs in it
Cats 2019 was bad because they RUINED the songs. The singing is dog shit and the tempo is fricked in every single song because the dipshit director let actors sing on-set without the orchestra track laid down and without a proper click track. Fricker ruined Les Mis, too.
Cats 1999 is good because of the songs and dancing and if you disagree you can suck my balls.
Only villain songs are any good. Otherwise the music is bland sappy Disney wannabe pop trash.
So basically if Alastor or Adam are involved - good
Anyone else - bad
Only Charlie's songs are Disney-likes, everyone's got their own style. Lucifer is swing, Alastor is jazz, Adam is rock, etc.
There's no accounting for taste but if you're not into musicals I have no idea why you'd watch this show to begin with
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I have no idea why you'd watch this show to begin with
I like the Beetlejuice/early 2000s mallgoth cartoon aesthetics basically. Vivzie's stuff is the closest thing to that we have these days so I'm willing to put up with a lot of bullshit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
the show wouldn't even be half as popular without the music
3 months ago
Anonymous
There seems to be a significant number of people that were expecting the show to be a deep, dark, broody melodrama. I can't for the life of me imagine why.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Only villain songs are any good. Otherwise the music is bland sappy Disney wannabe pop trash.
So basically if Alastor or Adam are involved - good
Anyone else - bad
3 months ago
Anonymous
>so talking about the style would be nice
Well if you want discussion of designs etc., there's like four years of that in the archives thanks to the slow drip production. >Cinemaphile has absolutely no vocabulary to talk about music or animation
Alternatively, HH doesn't attract that calibre of poster for some baffling reason. Anyway, I encourage you to be the change you want to see.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Leaving your weapon behind every extermination is not "Moriarty tier levels of planning"
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I can't read
fun!
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
Those are not the same at all. The hotel is only able to defend itself and have the great grand battle--before Lucifer--because of this contrivance. It's an important plot point.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It's a contrivance!
Yes. And?
Jesus this is painful, it's like talking to an elementary schooler
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, you're a consoomer. Sorry, reddit might be more your place.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?
Alfred does.
How exactly would exterminations do anything to stymie Hell's population, when there should be many billions of sinners there, and there's only a few dozen exorcists, each of whom only kill a couple hundred per year?
>18% of Hell's population
We don't know exactly how many people go to heaven as opposed to hell, but among the 109 BILLION people to have died let's say it's 50/50 and say 55 billion people are in Hell.
18% of 55 Billion is almost 10 Billion. A YEAR.
Only sixty million people DIE a year on average and they're most certainly not all going to Hell.
I assumed they'd probably only exterminate as many people as enter Hell a year to keep it level but they're killing that hundreds of times over. In less than a decade there wouldn't be a soul left in Hell
>109 billion people have died in the HH universe
That's a pretty massive assumption there, pal-o.
You wouldn't be trying to insert real-life statistics into this, would you?
Because that would be stupid.
its an extermination, its supposed to exterminate all souls in hell. The exorcists were extremely effective and efficient on their killing or something else, caused by the extermination caused even more souls to disappear. Still, 18% is a really big number, sinners and demons must be very fricking stupid ans stubborn to not do something about it and somehow manage to keep their society going. Covid had a far smaller mortality rate and caused panic worldwide, making many societies change in fundamental ways during it. Meanwhile the underworld was barely changed by the hellocaust
>Meanwhile the underworld was barely changed by the hellocaust
This can be excused to some extent by the setting. IRL we have a bunch of centralized governments and supranational organizations that share information and homogenize policy. Hell has nothing but a king and queen who bailed, a princess with no social connections aside from a recently fallen angel, and a bunch of butthole gangsters busy protecting their own rackets.
Angels can hurt other angels. What she didn't know is that Sinners with angelic weapons would count as angels/holy in the eyes of whatever conditional immunity protects angels.
So I just watched this show and a big problem I had with it is that it constantly felt like set up.
We were continually getting these lorebait hints with Alastor and while he’s definitely a fun character so much of him is wrapped up in mysteries which won’t get resolved until later on. Most of the characters not at the hotel felt like they were there to be “season 2” characters who are going to play a role LATER ON instead of really being a part of the story season 1 was trying to tell. Biggest examples though were definitely Vox, Velvette, Sera, and Emily. Now I actually think Vox is a super fun character with an interestinh rivalry with Alastor and I really love the idea of Emily being an “angel Charlie” character who tries to fix Heaven in the same way that Charlie tries to fix Hell. But the problem is when you only have 8 episodes and you’re spending so much time setting up future shit, the story you’re trying to tell THIS season comes off half baked at best. Like, Adam was the villain of the season but it feels like there’s so much we don’t know about him (Though in his case I think he’ll probably get reincarnated as a sinner in a reverse of Pentious, but still)
I think the only episode that managed to balance its runtime competently was episode 4 because it was actually ABOUT Angel instead of 5 different concepts competing for screentime.
The show simultaneously feels too rushed and too set up somehow. Someone said it before, but the entire angel plot feels like some sort of escalation introduced in S2-3 after the basic hurdles and successes of the hotel are established. Instead we jumped right into Disney's SMT with Sir Pent's therapy being mostly offscreened.
Apparently there was a 3 month time skip between episodes 4 and 5 (or 5 and 6). In the beginning of the episode Charlie's freaking out about the time that's passed and she has nothing to show for it.
>but if it were ME I would have done this and this and...
That's not what a plot hole is you dumb motherfricker >I'M JUST THINKING LOGICALLY
No, you're nitpicking elements of the story that are purely functional and don't matter at all.
Like why the Mother isn't in How I Met Your Mother.
>if the story is above criticism then it can't actually be criticised
that's a tautology so that would have to be correct, but it seems like the message here is "you're nitpicking an element of the story that is unimportant and failing to do so on top of that"
Well considering that element of the story is the whole reason why Charlie is trying to raise an army to fend off Heaven, I wouldn't call it unimportant when it's this poorly explained and inconsistently depicted.
Can anyone can explain why a b***h who apparently has killed thousands of sinners (many of whom were dangerous I'm sure, since hell is most likely not all tax evaders and shoplifters) doesn't seem to be able to win a fight? You'd think by that point she would evolve beyond just rushing into shit even with the invincibility.
Yet she gets floored every single time. Even in the pilot it's implied that Alastor could easily beat her if he wanted to.
The answers to everything about Vaggie seem to keep going back to "she's bad and everything and stupid" which just raises the question of why ADAM of all people thought she kicked ass as an angel.
>Why did Adam think she ruled
because Adam sucks too, have you even watched this thing?
I'm guessing no because, as has been pointed out, this is all just scaffolding for the sitcom and music.
>Adam is unreliable narrator bro
Yeah okay, we didn't meant to believe Vaggie was a powerful top exorcist, how silly of me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Adam is an unreliable narrator
I didn't say that at all, you keep making these wild logical leaps.
Vaggie being a top exorcist or not isn't a problem even if her being stupid is a canon explanation (it's not)
Also >we didn't meant
ESL begone.
A plot hole is what your ass is gonna be after I rape you.
>he won't tell us what a plot hole is
Once again for the slow children:
A plot hole is when there is an explicit and irreparable inconsistency.
Lets use JL:Doom as an example.
>Darkseid just stands there and watches the League fight his minions instead of joining the fight, and if he had joined the fight he would have easily won.
This is called a contrivance. There is no inconsistency, just suboptimal behavior for a person's goals that allows the story to continue. These typically don't even require explanations, as people are not flawless logical robots.
>Darkseid's eye beams hit Green Arrow and he gets knocked down then gets right back up, but then the same eye beams hit Superman and he gets knocked out cold and barely survives
This is a direct inconsistency, the same beam is doing two different things for no reason.
Another form of plot hole would be continuity errors, like a character being in two places at once.
>it doesn't matter that it only works because everyone's moronic: it's a sitcom
First, it's at least a sitcom-drama unless you somehow managed to skip over all the super-cereal domestic abuse, daddy issues, relationship woes, etc., so this defense doesn't really work. Second, this is reminiscent of the >why do you care if unrealistic shit happens in a fantasy setting, it's not meant to be realistic
defense of sloppy writing in fantasy settings. Internal consistency and plausibility is valuable regardless of genre. It's not like "whoops everyone is moronic" is clever humour in itself. The angel weapons thing is just not very intelligent writing being handwaved by all the characters expressing incredulity over how no one figured it out before.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't matter that the plot works because characters shown to be dumb are dumb
Correct. >why do you care if unrealistic shit happens in a fantasy setting, it's not meant to be realistic
What the frick are you even talking about, anon?
This feels like you're having half a conversation with me and half with the demons in your head.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>making everyone conveniently stupid is fine as long as it's an established trait
Nah. It's not plausible, and it's not funny either (a worse sin from a sitcom-writing perspective) since the "joke" is barely capitalized on in favour of cramming in more action sequences. Which is another clue that the show isn't much of a sitcom. >What the frick are you even talking about
Reread the post more slowly. I'm likening your shit argument to another common form of shit argument that relies on genre as a crutch to defend against criticism of weak writing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not plausible that these fictional characters aren't brilliant
Stopped reading here because you've started with something completely moronic and I assume the second half of your post is you fighting with the demons in your head again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>TL;DRing a one paragraph reply
I accept your concession and I hope you do better next time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no defense or response, just a thought-terminating cliche
I accept your concession :^)
Enjoy arguing with the voices in your head
>hey if you think way too hard and make bad assumptions about this tertiary element then it doesn't make much sens-
rule of cool, homosexual
get out of my face
Can anyone can explain why a b***h who apparently has killed thousands of sinners (many of whom were dangerous I'm sure, since hell is most likely not all tax evaders and shoplifters) doesn't seem to be able to win a fight? You'd think by that point she would evolve beyond just rushing into shit even with the invincibility.
Yet she gets floored every single time. Even in the pilot it's implied that Alastor could easily beat her if he wanted to.
Lucifer and Adam are NOT on the same playing field. Lucifer was fricking around and Adam still couldn't even hit him, and then the moment Lucifer got even a little serious he pimp-slapped Adam away then beat the living shit out of him.
Adam and Lilith were said to be equals in the intro, so I assume Adam is closer to Lilith. And all the angels are under Adam, but probably stronger than the other six sins
>And all the angels are under Adam, but probably stronger than the other six sins
Adam is absolutely not implied to be above the Seraphim as these posters said:
Emily is higher ranked than Adam
>Adam and Lucifer on the same tier >Adam above seraphim like Emily
Holy cope. Also I'm gonna say if Charlie knew how to properly fight she would be above Adam.
He's above the other angels we've seen so far, though. He'd probably still batter Emily like a training dummy, but that's because she is even less battle-prepared than Charlie and has no experience. Sera likely wipes the floor with Adam just the same as Lucy did.
I would have said Angel Dust several weeks ago but I can tolerate him now that they gave him some nuance and he's no longer a walking sex jokes trope and hitting on everything that owns a dick.
Now? It's probably Velvette, I don't hate her but I can't stand her smugness.
She's just a bland human though, she doesn't have anything weird about her like the sinners are supposed too.
Husk hate cats cats, gets turned into cat.
Angels a homosexual, become a spider...idk why vague reasoning on vivs part.
what's her deal, all she has wrong with her is red eyes and maybe a little mask on her face?
weak character design.
She has giant hands that are reminiscent of a swans wings, because she was a ballet dancer in life.
Still pretty weak.
She has a meeting with a guy who is an eldritch horror nightmare monster and a woman who got turned into a fricking dinosaur, and this b***h just got...slightly larger hands???
Is she a troony, are they "man-hands" is that why they haunt her so much? maybe "her daughters" real bio mother is heaven. Would actually make sense in the viv world.
i wonder if she hated it because otherwise how is her look a punishment
3 months ago
Anonymous
she probably had body dysmorphia of some kind and thought her hands were huge and ugly
3 months ago
Anonymous
>how is her look a punishment
It probably isn't unless she was really assblasted at being typecast as Odile instead of Odette or something. But the furry forms aren't punishments. AD's sister shows up in the background in heaven and she's a spider too.
Her design and demeanor are distinct from other females and overlords at least. Personally, I think she looks like a background character. I appreciate they were trying for a vintage animation aesthetic, but the dead black eyes make her soulless in motion, and not in a creepy or cool way. I was also a bit annoyed with her serving as Charlie's relationship guru out of fricking nowhere instead of using the split as an opportunity to develop Charlie's friendship with another main cast member. The show keeps telling me all the residents of the hotel have strong bonds but I don't see it.
I don't get why she thought revealing that her girlfriend was an extermination angel too her was a good idea. I doubt vaggie would want that info spread around hell, least of all too the fricking queen of the cannibals, angels aren't exactly popular in hell afterall.
>treating an overlord she just met as a personal therapist just because she seems motherly
In another show, Charlie would face consequences for this. Rosie selling that information and someone coming after Vaggie for revenge would be a decent twist.
yeah anon the plot is 100% resolved and there will never be any future developments on season 1 plot points. The favor she owes Alastor? Irrelevant, he didn't even bring it up! Heaven finding out about the exterminations? Might as well not have happened, Adam doesn't even talk about it! Lute approaching Lilith? I don't even consider than scene to be canon since it wasn't addressed afterwards.
>The favor she owes Alastor? >Heaven finding out about the exterminations? >Lute approaching Lilith?
All of those hooks were about as subtle as a brick to the face whereas so far there's no hint that Rosie isn't what she seems on the surface beyond 'lol cannibal tho'. Treating her like a surrogate mother was a just a way to blast through Charlie's drama in one episode so she and Vag could be reunited for the finale. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
this isn't a hook so much as it's a theory/cope. if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No. Adam is not faking it, the hook about his return since his death was very different from the other exorcist.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
sorry
Adam is not faking it, the hook is about his future return, since his death was very different from the other exorcist (who lose their halos on their own, when Adam’s was still there.)
3 months ago
Anonymous
>if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.
He would be in a critical state, acting is irrelevant
And his body was taken off screen
Theory
Red sclera=owns a soul
black sclera = you don't own your soul(not necessarily that someone owns it)
Neither = not part of the soul economy
What this would mean:
Obvious one: Angel only owns part of his soul, renting it out to valentino when he works.
Alastor can hide the fact that he's owned until he has to release his power, his sclera turn black when he threatens husk.
Every cannibal sold their soul to rosie, who in turn has given her own soul to someone else, or they all sold their soul to the same being
Sir Pentious owns all the souls of the egg bois, and gave them up automatically when he ascended to heaven
Arguments against this theory
Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade(though i think this only weakens my theory because IDK how one would become an overlord without the influence of the souls or angelic power.), or they like to hide their power levels like Alastor.
Charlie and Lucifer technically own all the souls in hell? Also weakens the theory, but their eyes turn red during their transformations.
>Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade
To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another
3 months ago
Anonymous
>To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another
Yeah thats why I said my theory is kind of weak. If they own souls and their eyes are yellow(not black or red) then I'm way off the mark.
>Adam and Lucifer on the same tier >Adam above seraphim like Emily
Holy cope. Also I'm gonna say if Charlie knew how to properly fight she would be above Adam.
I don't like Blitzo or Stolas, they're a match made in hell. I think it's because they're both awful people that the narrative treats as sympathetic for some reason.
>I think it's because they're both awful people that the narrative treats as sympathetic for some reason.
I'm afraid Lucifer is going to turn into this too. He's supposed to be all sad and lonely but it seems like he could have fixed that anytime by manning up as a dad instead of playing with duckies in his basement. And when he's not sad, he's abrasive and wienery bore.
The more I think about this show the dumber the whole thing is honestly. >No one ever thought the use the angels weapons against them which happened to be the very thing that can kill them, even Hell spawn can use holy weapons (bullshit) >How Lucifer could've just mogged Adam any time he wanted to. Makes you think how long he just sat and watched Hell spawn getting gotted >How Adam so casually and effortlessly merked Sir Pentious and didn't think to do that to anyone else >How the only real portfolio the Hotel has of someone getting redeemed and going to Heaven essentially offed himself to do it. >Despite the fact the Hotel was made to give sinners a chance of redemption to go the heaven almost everyone in Hell seems happy and content with their lot, all of them singing songs and what not. >Despite Hells issue being overpopulation no where did it seem like it was a major issue. Just a normal ass city.
I don't get it. Is everyone that genuinley enjoys this an honest to God moron, or do you literally have to shut off your brain and intellect to watch this and come out """"enjoying"""" it?
I like her but her voice sucks. I have a similar issue with Vaggie. >Carmine
Hot, MILF, decent personality, bad voice AND bad singing >Vaggie
Hot, kind of boring, bad voice but decent singing
Valid criticism and yeah, I do agree that Carmine's voice is unfit for her (she sounds like a grandma) and the show shouldn't have devoted two musical acts to her when her singing is okay at best.
a cynic would say it's all marketing
an optimist would say she was raised at least partially in that culture and feels a connection to it, and through it her family and ancestors
a rightoid would say she's racist
a leftist would say American culture is a nightmarish hellscape and people are desperate for a connection to any culture that isn't that
Valid criticism and yeah, I do agree that Carmine's voice is unfit for her (she sounds like a grandma) and the show shouldn't have devoted two musical acts to her when her singing is okay at best.
Theory
Red sclera=owns a soul
black sclera = you don't own your soul(not necessarily that someone owns it)
Neither = not part of the soul economy
What this would mean:
Obvious one: Angel only owns part of his soul, renting it out to valentino when he works.
Alastor can hide the fact that he's owned until he has to release his power, his sclera turn black when he threatens husk.
Every cannibal sold their soul to rosie, who in turn has given her own soul to someone else, or they all sold their soul to the same being
Sir Pentious owns all the souls of the egg bois, and gave them up automatically when he ascended to heaven
Arguments against this theory
Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade(though i think this only weakens my theory because IDK how one would become an overlord without the influence of the souls or angelic power.), or they like to hide their power levels like Alastor.
Charlie and Lucifer technically own all the souls in hell? Also weakens the theory, but their eyes turn red during their transformations.
>if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.
He would be in a critical state, acting is irrelevant
And his body was taken off screen
[...] >Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade
To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another
>>
Honestly a cool idea. But as you mentioned, the exceptions sink the theory. There's this design from the pilot, and series Zestial could have another set of hidden eyes since he's spider themed. But there's no explanation for the scalie unless she's just some overlord's representative.
>But there's no explanation for the scalie unless she's just some overlord's representative.
Maybe what I think is her mascara is actually representative of her owning part of her soul like Angel and can transform to show more red eyes. That is bordering on schizo territory though
Sadly not suprised, but still incredibly dissapointing, guess all demons were all a bunch of morons that never thought even ONCE about ever fighting back while using their own weapons against them
Stop trying to overthink what is a clear plot hole, there absolutely NO WAY that there wasn't a bunch of demons brave/crazy enough that tried to fight back the second they got a hold of that angelic stuff
Meet the newest member of the Vees. VEG. >owns the most popular weed brand Demon Dank >basically runs all the dispensaries in Pentagram City >hands are giant pot leafs >all his songs are stoner metal and plays bass but only knows like 3 chords >has connections to the deadly sin Sloth >died in the 1990s >original character do not steal
The tumblr queer stuff is obnoxious but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy Viv's art style. It's refreshing to see someone with a unique style actually have it be animated, and she draws hot women despite being woke
I can honestly say I love each and every one of the songs in the show, there are no actual bad ones.
I also kind of wonder if they will ever do another version of Inside Of Every Demon Is A Rainbow with the new VA.
I'm really glad to see that. Even if some of the stuff might've flew over my head I love when passion projects for nerds by nerds win over slop that's optimized for the widest audience possible.
>switching the VAs was good for business
What's the size of the "musical theater fangirls who recognize multiple industry figures" market? Any added watchers are worthwhile of course, but not being into Broadway I would have assumed that's a very niche demographic.
It's less about the size and more about having a ready-made core fanbase with a corner of Tiktok/Instagram already carved out, which can then spread the word to less hardcore fans. Plus she also wrote music that appeals to Broadway fans and works well in short Tiktok bites.
also this is just my schizo Pepe Silvia posting but Viv got extremely lucky with the timing around Mean Girls, there's a bunch of comparisons of Erika Henningson's Broadway performance and the movie going around, and suddenly she has another toe in the door
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Anonymous
Ah. That makes more sense. Dedication>raw numbers.
I have a friend who watched solely because of the broadway voices, I guess switching the VAs was good for business
I'm really glad to see that. Even if some of the stuff might've flew over my head I love when passion projects for nerds by nerds win over slop that's optimized for the widest audience possible.
Centaurworld was the same way
We need more Broadway cartoons
tbf we don't know if she designed those characters. i don't think viv would ever say no to black characters, i'm saying she struggles with drawing them.
Never watched the Princess and the Frog. Are there commonalities aside from "witch doctor does devil's deals"? That's not exactly a rare concept. The radio motif? Cannibalism?
Looks like a Lackadaisy escapee who got into henna dye. But oddly fitting for a depressed alcoholic voiced by a crusty grandpa. I'd like to see more de-coomified versions of the main cast members. Not deliberately ugly a la tumblr redraws, but just closer their backstory/age before death and with a little more variety of type.
>The Good Place
I have seen several people talk about this, but what it is exactly borrowing from it?
The Good Place is about all 'hell is other sinners', which kinda is a thing in Hazbin but not the main theme? Also, it's not that Sinners are horrible people in the main cast of the Good Place, they just don't want to be tortured in Hell.
the main plot after the big twist reveal in Season 1 is essentially the main cast in the Bad Place learning to be better people with the end goal of earning their way to the Good Place after death
I hope with how much this show has exploded in popularity Amazon puts out some more merch for it, the stuff Viv put out before is kind of lacklustre.
Like an official Alastor plushie would fund an entire season with its sales, not to mention the other characters.
I've been consistently baffled by the lack of Hazbin and Helluva merch
Vivzie could be a billionaire by now if she just let Spencer's Gifts sell a bunch of printed shit
I've been consistently baffled by the lack of Hazbin and Helluva merch
Vivzie could be a billionaire by now if she just let Spencer's Gifts sell a bunch of printed shit
HB gets new merch nearly every holiday/season but it's things like pins, charms, easy to manufacture stuff like that. HH had more steady merch but I think it slowed down a few years ago which makes sense since Viv doesn't own it anymore.
I'd be shocked if she didn't negotiate a percentage of merch sales, everyone on the planet must know that's how George Lucas got rich off Star Wars by now
She should have signed up with the company that makes the merch for the other independent animators like Glitch, I’ve bought their Murder Drone plushies and they are really good quality.
Since the jannies here aren't allowing for a general, leaving us in a constant state of half a dozen slow threads at the same time I made a HH/HB general we can use, come check it out! Address is in the picture related
I want this so fricking badly I've been working on a piece like that but I decided to redo a bunch of stuff maybe I'll finish it tonight though >being their little pet/girlfriend
The life...
HH a HoaB are not connected universes.
Sex with Alastor whether he likes it or not!
Sex with Valentino whether you like it or not!
Sex with Vox and making sure he likes it!
Sex with Pentious and he makes sure you like it!
Sex with Adam and you like it because it's heaven b***h!
>whether you like it or not!
it's best when you don't like it and you like that you don't like it amirite
I don't think this is the right hierarchy, but I don't blame the people who get lost in this mess.
Frat boys are back in a big way.
Nature is healing.
They won.
They won me over at least.
Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny. Watch the pilot if you haven't already, it's done better there. But the last couple of episodes imply that he's being forced to look after Charlie by someone else--Hudk says he's also on a leash and Alastor mentions freeing himself from something while he's coping and seething after losing to Adam.
Oh thanks, I guess I'll check out the pilot.
>Lucifer and Adam
Adam sadly belongs in the same sub-Sera tier as Lilith and Charlie unless it turns out there are extenuating circumstances for his shit performance versus Luci.
Does this mean Sir REPENTious is stronger than most of the cast now?
The White Privilege
Imagine Alastor jobbing to him later
It would make up for any pitfalls of that season.
>Imagine Alastor jobbing to him later
>Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny.
In a sense, he already did.
>Imagine Alastor jobbing to him later
Kino.
That's supposed to be a guy?
I ship it.
He's a snake in heaven. Lucy absolutely did this
Yes
>his new innate ability is literally 「Made in Heaven」
She'll probably fart
Lucifer and Adam are not the same tier, Luci is an archangel.
Just finished the show myself and I dont know where to ask but what was alastor's motivation for helping Hazbin hotel?
What are we even talking about?
Some crackprostitute who fricked already?
Is this fricking Lute legs crossed pose the most spilled/shellacked to thing from the show?
I don't know what a
>most spilled/shellacked to thing
Is but I like sexy Lute
Sexoooooo
No, it didn't change my opinion of them. Visually they look good together but their relationship as a whole is still a blackhole of charisma. Charlastor and Charlie/Emily are vastly superior and Vaggie had a better relationship dynamic with AD in the pilot than she did with Charlie throughout the whole show.
>Visually they look good together
Their pilot designs were so much better though. Not a big fan of the height difference either.
Why is Paimon next to Asmodeus? He's Ars Goetia not Deadly Sin.
same reason as vagene being a sinner
So far, this is the only official power tier list.
I just wonder how much of a power gap it is between Goetia and Overlords, I feel like some of the top tier overlords like Alastor could probably beat a Goetia if Stolas is a good example of a powerful one.
Me, I'm wondering what the power gap between Sins and Goetia is. Did the Sins ever do anything impressive in Helluva?
And yeah, Alastor probably has some extra bullshit up his sleeve given he debuted by overpowering other overlords.
The most HB has shown the Sins do is they can transform into giant true forms, I’m guessing like how Lucifer and Charlie had their demonic forms.
It’s also been implied they may have been angels who fell with Lucifer, but no idea why they look more demonic in comparison.
Eh. I mean. Alastor can get big too, I'm not terribly impressed.
The way they described Hell's origin in Hazbin, it sounded to me like Lucifer was the only angel that actually fell and the other Hellborn demons just kind of...sprang up around him. Like edgy gay potatoes.
Yeah the only reason I think the other Sins are fallen angels as well is Asmodeus mentions he’s known Mammon since before Hell started up, so it doesn’t sound like they are Hellborn like the Goetia and others are.
>It’s also been implied they may have been angels who fell with Lucifer
i think the implication might be just that they're the first of the hellborn since the war in heaven never happened and lucifer holds power over them by being a natural angel
He would have power over them regardless because he is a seraphim.
Probably not large. Goetias just seem like decadent nobles who've had it easy for a long time.
I bet Alastor or Vox could beat some low or middle-level Goetia. Alastor could probably also bully Ozzie and Queen Bee a good bit (that was still a horribly stupid depiction of Beelzebub).
>Alastor could probably also bully Ozzie and Queen Bee a good bit
lmao, moron
I like Al' but Beelzebub and Asmodeus seem so squishy and nice because they literally have never once been in a life-threatening situation so far in their own show.
If Alastor put them in a life or death fight they'd vaporize him or drop their 'cuddly' form and become sort sort of 50 headed, razor-penised, 1000 eyed Berserk apostle looking thing and rip Al's head off in one swing.
Given we seen Char Char have multiple forms I don't even think Luci has shown us his full moron mode given how easily he was bodying Adam.
c**ts a fricking moron for thinking Al has a chance at all.
Asmodeus gets bullied and has his gay lover threatened by some imp. And he couldn't just teleport immediately and kill Crimson.
I'll believe it when the so called "Deadly Sins" actually do something impressive. because they just seem like figureheads now who no one should respect.
this
in Helluva Boss they've done literally nothing, and Asmodeus has been shown to be an impatient, illiterate, incompetent shit who almost signed a contract that would have let an imp have all his factories and use his gay clown's head as a wall decoration, and according to Stolas "a deal made with a Sin is everlastingly binding" so he doesn't even take his own authority and the stuff he's bound too seriously
the only impressive thing we've seen the Sins do is become bigger, we saw Beelzebub do it, we saw Asmodeus and Mammon do it and other than getting bigger and making threats, they do jack shit
the only authority in Hell that's show to actually have power is Lucifer and he's still hobbled by the fact he's a depressed nerd who's still reeling from his divorce apparently
The "Sins" can grow to big size if they're angry, but so can an Overlord like Alastor, so...
Queen Bee is one of Viv's best characters due. Both her design and the subtle implication that the parties are part of some weird magic where she goes berserk if disrupted were great
Her design sucks. It shouldn't have been Beelzebub, should have just been some famous hellhound popstar.
Frick no, the Goetia family is the third most influential family in hell for a reason.
It's better to think of the overlords as big fish in a small pond: only powerful among little shits, which is why they're only ever fighting each other for scraps.
Are the other deadly sins and goetia demons fallen angels too? Speaking of, I'm still not over Helluva Boss retconning Stolas into a guy in his 30's, dude should've been older than the universe.
The goetia are definitely born in hell, they aren't fallen angels. They seem to be the most powerful of the native hellborn races by virtue of being the only ones capable of using magic.
>overlords can do magic
You are moronic if you think they're the only magical race. They're just the only properly arcane bloodline. It's why they exist. Like frick, man, get it together - Luna casts spells in HB season 1.
Power in the realms of the afterlife are based on AT LEAST two properties with potential for other factors.
Souls and embodiment. Overlords are more powerful if they own more souls and power can also be granted to someone if you have their soul. Embodiment of a concept works from the smallest overlord to the big bosses, the sins.
Realmborn are spawned as they are and do not desire souls so they are limited by their arcane knowledge (again see Luna or any other demon using spells - there are several including his sister and the succubi).
Yeah, Luna is literally using the Goetia book to cast a spell, she can't cast spells without it. Blitzo's sister uses a similar spell that goes to the human world, but she uses a fricking magic ring (made by the goetia) to do it, it was the main plot point of the first half of that episode.
Imps and Hellhounds can "use" magic tools but they aren't magical. You can see this clearly in the LA episode where Luna struggles to light her cigarette, and goth bird does it for her, even though stolas has barely trained her in any magic apparently.
Imps and hellhounds just use the magic tools the goetia make, that's the whole underlying plot of Helluva boss, i.e. why Blitzo wants Stolas book to get too the human world.
I can't give less of a frick about this power level bullshit given how things develop in the show
>Striker almost killed an Ars Goetia because he had angelic weapon, something people in hell can just get by buying it from Carmilla or finding it post-extermination.
>virtually no difference between imps, hellhounds and hellborn
>The seven deadly sins have to hide their relationships or abusive work environment despite being rulers of their rings and being able to do whatever the frick they want with zero repercussions whatsoever.
Also they are LITERALLY THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS why would they hide their own sins?
>Charlie and Lucifer get no respect being mistreated and insulted by all the sinners alike, Lucifer himself being intimidated by a mere overlord like Alastor
What's the point of a system like this in shows when characters can just ignore their status and insult or beat each other regardless of who they are? An imp kidnapped the sin of Lust's boyfriend and he had to negotiate his freedom? Can't you just use your powers, or the powers of your Ars Goetia friend to just instantly free him? It's all bullshit.
>What's the point of a system like this
Drama, the writers don't care so the characters don't care. All that matters is the relationship drama. I agree with you kinda silly to have these "power rankings" to be tbh
But the only relationship drama is one person is rich and the other is poor. You don't need a power level system for that, just make one character a rich person and another a poor one.
>Striker almost killed an Ars Goetia because he had angelic weapon
The two are called (Consecrated weapon vs Angelic weapon) and look (silver vs glowing yellow) differently. So either Striker has a contact better than Carmilla or ... I'm sure it'll be explained (not).
That's a really sexy picture of Vox and my new phone bg now thanks
As the most powerful Goetia he is on the level of a Sin
So apparently, in every angel purge that happened before Hazbin episode 1, no demon ever thought of trapping an angel under rubble?
To be fair, most of the time angels would have been fighting together, not in 1v1 duels with no back up. Even if you dropped a piano on one angel, the others would just stab you then dig her out.
They're both super sexy, everyone here is.
But they have negative chemistry and sex appeal together.
As a couple they read as not having been intimate in years or are incapable of it and also you're not being this supporting and loving if you're not intimate, especially given their "age", sexuality, physical shape.
>Vaggie constantly whipping out her angelic spear ready to stab people like Sir Pentious
In hindsight that’s really fricked up, like imagine Charlie’s reaction to her gf permanently murdering someone.
Bull dykes are awful like that.
>don't repost without my permission
I learn English for she.
I'm gay and my dick IS small
Does anyone have a picture of Blitzo's billboard advertisement? And if so can they post i?
>Lucifer and Adam on the same tier
NO.
Lucifer is miles above adam. Some overlords are above jobber angels.
Cosmologically:
Divine>Profane
Locally:
Head - inherent avatar of the domain
>lucifer
>either the remaining six angels or Michael
Principles - highest powers below the head who manage the domain and embody essential functions/elements
>the sins
>the six head angels (seen in More Than Anything - and implying Luci was one of them)
Deputies - entities descending from or related to the head or principles
>goetia and other princes
>virtues probably - all the unique angels seen in the court
Empowered Mortals - Mortal souls who have empowered themselves through supernatural means such as embodiment and souls
>adam
>the overlords
Mortal Souls - mortal souls with pseudo-immortality but little power
>mortal angels
>mortal demons
Realborn - entities who produced by the realm but who do not embody essential functions like the principles and their off spring
>cherubs
>imps and assorted morons (there's no reason to rate succubi above imps they're on the same level even if imps are the worst of it)
Can you do a spreadsheet?
I don't know what that would achieve. What do you actually want?
Lucifer is not an Elder of Heaven, he was kicked out by them and he can't oppose them, so he is below whoever those six guys are.
>Empowered Mortals - Mortal souls who have empowered themselves through supernatural means such as embodiment and souls
>>adam
That wouldn't make sense considering that Lilith as the first human is on the level of Charlie, who is above the Sins. Adam makes a clear distinction between him and other mortal souls.
He didn't do anything wrong. They had their chance and they earned damnation.
EVERYONE
IS
SO
MEAN
TO
ME
It's not that complicated.
>God turned out to be a deranged A/B/O fanfic writer
If you read the shit the Catholics took out at first, the OT God is just an /LULZ/ incel with severe mommy issues. I'm not making this up
I mean, I know that even in the current bible at one point God compares his relationship to Israel like grooming a child bride so I believe you
It's so weird to remember Charlie is technically super powerful, but just so hilariously bad at fighting it's almost completely irrelevant.
She is the Gohan of succubi.
CHADam won
>Brushing Alastor's dirty dirty teeth against his will because Charlie complained about his breath.
I will brush his teeth with my wiener and semen
I feel like I'm too old for this show, so I'll just ask, do they ever reference archons, Yaldabaoth, or Sophia in this?
Nope. They may even have made the fruit free will instead of knowledge.
That's a shame. We got motherfrickers living out irl Cyberpunk today and people still don't know
No.
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss reference the Ars-Goetia, The daemonology and the idea of the '7-deadly-sins' [Which in the show each has a spirit who is in command of it, each of which is basically made a demigod overseeing a transcendental (a)morality] and the idea of the 'circles of hell' from Dante. And the idea of 'ranks and orders of Angels' from the Theurgists and John Dee and co'
It's really more like a Italian Renaissance + ~1600s British early-enlightenment painting of reality and the supernatural - And not 'JRPG art-school try-hard who read the wikipedia page on Gnosticism and Catharism once'.
The telltale for that kind of chuunibyo writing isn't the mythologies used so much as that they're not thrown in with much rhyme or reason
This basically sums it up: https://youtu.be/iNPK6DzQCzY?si=7Q-YD9RLps28BKra
season 2 antagonist
>Punished Adam
>A man denied his Lute
>Season 2 antagonist
>Adam Kadmon.
New here, any Pentiousgays here?
basically the whole fandom here? doubt anyone hates the dude he is pretty entretaining unlike FRAUDstor
Like you wanna frick him?
I don't think I've seen any girl in these threads who wants to frick him come to think of it
being a charactergay is Cinemaphile lingo for him being your favourite character, anon
>take alastor
>make him boring
???
That's his human form anon
According to Viv that design is close to Canon
Didn’t she also claim he was biracial in life, meaning all the white guy Alastor art is wrong?
She came up with the bi racial thing afterwards because of twitterites
According go this post Viv said it was close and recently people are asking for source on that but honestly who fricking knows, the comment is years old now
The lore for this series is all over the place and there really is a lot of contradiction for certain things
I guess if someone wants to watch hundreds of hours of stream footage maybe the source could be found but Viv changes her mind about too much so what's the point
https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/i4oh0w/is_this_really_alastors_canon_human_appearance/
It must be insane to be a new fan who only seen the show on Amazon, when there’s the pilot that the show references you’d have to go look up on YouTube, then years worth of interviews and streams dripping lore and soft-canon about characters that you’d have to surf the wiki for.
Not to mention how trying to find the wiki might end up on that fanfic wiki instead since they are near identical.
Who can even remember everything from those streams I certainly can't
This is really why I treat canon for this series like a build your own plate buffet and at the end of the day I've got my own autism version of things in my head anyway
Everything being so confusing is a double edged sword
Also didn't JTTL have actual leaks at one point
Speaking of Amazon, they better be looking at these numbers. The "Prime Video" YouTube channel's lowest viewed Hazbin Hotel video (We Love the Hell Out of Charlie Morningstar) has only 123k views and released 14 hours ago as of this comment. The most viewed video (Hell's Greatest Dad) has 12m views in 11 days.
They have to know how ravenous the fans are for content; and if they don't capitalize or at the very least invest more money for episodes or content they're literally throwing money away.
hope they aren't moronic like the invincible crew
Glad Netflix didn't get to cancel the show, they're VERY bad with numbers
Netflix seems more interested in causing havoc than giving seasons to popular shows
Still very confused on why they canceled Inside Job or even cut Bojack Horsemans last season but kept shit like Big Mouth
They do that for accounting taxes. They have lots of productions, so adult cartoons are the ones that are the easiest to cut since the have one of the smallest target demographics.
>Hell's Greatest Dad at 12m views
Yeah I'm thinking based
The only upside with Amazon Prime is the fact that they're part of a company that deals in other things.
Going back and listening to old streams with the original cast is really sad to me. They should've been allowed to return.
Would take responsibility in a heartbeat
Lute getting you pregnant
>the sex was so rough it left Adam bloodied and bruised
Does Helluva Boss work better because it's low stakes?
Dealing with Imps and a failson rather than the daughter of Lucifer, the first man Adam and the redemption of souls?
>Does Helluva Boss work better because it's low stakes?
no, Vivzie completely stopped caring about the actual company business stuff and it's just character exploration upon character exploration for literally whos
she failed to keep the stakes low
>Does Helluva Boss work better
No
Helluva has two good episodes total, Hazbin is as good as it is because of A24
>Does Helluva Boss work better
it dosen't work at all
i'm actually surprised that hazbin turned out good
HB is basically a meme show.
I'm about to make a bingo card for these reader insert fics they're all the same shit and the porn is written badly when I do find it I hate tag trekking
What kind of fic are you looking for?
At this point any good reader or OC porn with any of the boys but especially Alastor but I won't be picky with who since I can get off to almost anyone so long as they are in character
"Yes"
What would Hell's version of onlyfans be called?
OzzieFans
Lonelysins
Holysins
Onlysins
Hornyfans
Hornysins
Emily is higher ranked than Adam
Why did the good guys lose at the end?
It would be funny to watch edgelords like Alastor get rekt by Beelzebub because she’s just a party bawd
Let him job to an imp while we are at it. Can be Blitz, Moxxie, or even that servant imp that works under Stolas.
Realistically they all lose to Alastor. The normal angels couldn't break through his weird barrier even with blessed weapons and he held off Adam for a long time. He is clearly more powerful than IMP and Stolas.
I think Stolas is still stronger than Alastor terms of utter raw power but he's a passive homosexual so he gets his ass beaten more often than it should happen.
I think he is weaker in terms of combat potential but has a lot of strong powers that aren't necessarily related to combat. He can open portals without his book and has access to a lot of powerful spells related to his theme of studying the stars. But all that fancy shit won't stop a shadow tentacle from squeezing the life out of you
It would be fun if "The Deadly Sins" and "The Overlords" were roughly the same level of power, representing the official/unofficial power of Hell and the classic sins/more modern sins
i dont get why sinners are ranked above hellborn, also, arent Imps and Hellhounds also Hellborn? why are they in their own bracket?
Has anyone made a list of plotholes?
We can do it.
Why didn't Vaggie know angelic weapons can hurt angels?
Here's the list:
It's fricking empty
You kids don't know what a plot hole is. Every time I see people try to name some it's either just a contrivance and not a hole or it's literally just "I would have done this differently"
>didn't answer the plothole
GUYS IT'S A PLOT HOLE IN THE THREAD
Technically she does, since she lost her eye to one, but she might not have put two and two together because... ya know... she's Vaggie...
>Why didn't vaggie know angelic weapons hurt angels
For all she knew saving the kid made her fall and become vulnerable
That's not what a plot hole is
A plot hole would be the angelic weapons working inconsistently
Why did angelic weapons hurt angels in the first place?
Drama, and special angel magic to make them super mega awesome and deadly that way they could kill sinners double dead and send them to double Hell
Plot convenience.
Is Carmilla's whole business based around angels being moronic and leaving their weapons behind?
Carmilla's just a weapons dealer, she knows Angelic Metal can hurt angels but that's not her product. I don't know why I keep seeing people thinking everything she sells is angelic.
She has a personal stash of angelic metal and infused her boots, besides that the only angelic metal weapons we see are the ones she makes for the Hotel
There is the Carmine rifle from HB, holy rope of Striker (which is stupid) and his guns that most likely are also Carmine. So yes. She does sell them.
>Shit from another series unrelated to A24
Doesn't exist.
It does. It's the same fricking Universe.
Also Lute and Adam don't know Angelic weapons can harm an angel... despite using them to maim Vaggie
>Lute and Adam don't know Angelic weapons can harm an angel
It's vague, the most you can say for sure is they didn't know demons had used angelic weapons
Even then, the same easy explanation applies: they thought the power was in being a angel not the metal
Nice of the angelic blacksmith not to tell them.
Communication doesn't seem to be a strong suit in heaven
No one seemed to know what anyone else was up to in the meeting.
>Vivzie said it was canon on a live stream!
I don't give a shit, if it's not in the script it doesn't exist.
hazbin is different in that its a fandom with a show, not a show with a fandom
it's not like it's some new show that garnered a fanbase through its own merit, the actual show for hazbin came to be as a result of it's already prevalent fandom, it's more a way of giving fans more fuel for fan content and theories rather than it being a standalone piece of media
Be that as it may I can only judge the A24 production on its own merits, I don't care about Vivzie or her streams
then you're only getting a small piece of the metaphorical puzzle, my friend
That's not how writing works.
If it's not in the script it doesn't exist. Shit Vivzie blabs about at random on a stream are not finalized ideas.
Wait a few years after the show when they have their own council of Rome
Yeah their subconscious probably retained that info, but you gotta remember who's writing this and what their goal is: Drama
Characters will learn and unlearn things depending on what the writer wants, especially if it'll create more *Drama*
Here's another one for you to think about: why did Charlie make a deal with Alastor when last time she used her princess status to command him to help? In-universe it's because she doesn't like pulling rank and she was in an emotional state. Still a silly choice, but it creates ¡Drama!
Why did they make Pentious death a joke while all characters react crying and shocked?
Comedy?
Drama?
I don't fricking know.
>Why did they make Pentious death a joke while all characters react crying and shocked?
>Comedy?
>Drama?
Yes and yes
I snickered when he died instantly with all the hype, figured that type of death would be rewarded. However, the *characters* (and silly goobers) don't know he was redeemed. To them, his death was dramatic
That can be explained easily with angels can hurt each other, but demons are powerless against them.
It can be explained away a bunch of different ways
I really really don't get why people are trying to read so hard into things or getting upset that the show is a shallow spectacle and not Breaking Bad but in hell. I expected sparkledog characters doing sitcom shit and musical numbers and that's exactly what I got.
Because if angels didn't leave weapons behind none of this would've happened.
Characters have to be moronic for plot to work.
For the billionth time, that is called a contrivance not a plot hole.
The angels and adam being morons seems pretty intentional to me
Nta but Vaggie being so moronic she couldn't figure out angel weapons can kill angels after being mutilated by one stands out
She probably thought only angels can hurt angels.
homie we've been over this scroll up
This
is a fat load of bullshit because it's not like she suddenly warped into her powerless
state after sparing the kid, she literally just got teamganked.
And that doesn't make any sense because Adam didn't zap her, she was cut apart by an ANGEL SWORD
But honestly yeah, this is the only explanation.
>that doesn't make sense because (meaningless distinction based on bad assumptions by you)
uh huh
Considering Vaggie spent her whole life training (probably violently) with other exorcists, she thought only angels could hurt other angels.
Yes, Vaggie is moronic, we know this
Adam sure is popular with women for an alleged misogynist.
>Clearly they're his harem-
If they were he wouldn't be wasting time trying to pick up chicks in a boy band, evidently they just really like him.
How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction? There's no evidence to suggest angels have some kind of innate Smite Evil effect, exorcists sure as hell aren't immune to falling rubble
>How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction
because the difference could be the wielder
>there's no evidence...
for anything, it's completely vague and not elaborated on at all. You know why? Because it's completely fricking unimportant.
Maybe Vaggie thought she had fallen and that made her vulnerable. Maybe she thought only a weapon wielded by an angel could hurt an angel. Maybe she's just a dumb c**t that didn't think about it. Two things are for sure:
1 - it's not a goddamned plot hole
2 - it doesn't fricking matter
>extroverted high status guy is popular despite constant verbal sexism
Art imitates life. Accidentally based Vivzie is my favourite aspect of the show.
didn't Adam literally create the Exterminators himself
yeah? so what?
so why wouldn't he make them obsessed with his dick?
They have free will or Vag wouldn't have turned out to be a filthy sinner lover and carpet muncher.
>filthy sinner lover and carpet muncher.
Hot as frick, though
To think, half of these angels are getting their asses eaten by cannibals
>cannibal teeth can harm angels
Wtf?
>The angels and adam being morons seems pretty intentional to me
So you agree, all exterminations and Adam need to be moronic for the plot to work.
I agree that Adam and the Executioners are moronic, but I don't understand why you think that's a bad thing. I can only imagine you've heard a youtuber talk about bad mystery dramas like Sherlock and just thought "oh, characters acting dumb is always bad even if the character is purposely and explicitly dumb"
>Characters have to be moronic for plot to work.
What's that?
Not all the characters are Moriarty tier levels of planners?
They're not Yu-Gi-Oh level trap card setters?
They make mistakes and act emotional?
Characters can only be as smart as the writer?
This snappy animated musical isn't Lin-Manuel Miranda's "Hamilton" tier?
"If the characters didn't do X none of this would've happened" meaning no literally story?
I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
>I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
It seems like all the discussion of this show is on that level. Absurd nitpicking, headcanons, extrapolations, and just focusing in as hard as possible on elements of the story that only exist to facilitate the music and sitcom stuff.
It's "complaining that the mother isn't in How I Met Your Mother" levels of petty shit
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but because there's nothing much else to discuss. What do you want to see? In depth discussion of each sex joke's comedic timing? Robust analysis of babby's first musical number? HH is 80% style, 15% deep character lore from half a decade of hype, and maybe 5% substance on a good day.
>what do you want to see
The show is all style with little substance, so talking about the style would be nice.
Then again Cinemaphile has absolutely no vocabulary to talk about music or animation so I guess they literally CAN'T talk about the meat of the show.
On the one hand, the style makes my eyes bleed. On the other hand, the substance isn't better.
>NO JUST SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE CATCHY SONG-
Cats (2019) isn't good just because it had songs in it, you know
Half of the songs are unnecessary.
>half the songs are unnecessary
The songs are literally the entire purpose of the show.
If you're not there for the music you should probably just watch something else
>Cats (2019) isn't good because it had songs in it
Cats 2019 was bad because they RUINED the songs. The singing is dog shit and the tempo is fricked in every single song because the dipshit director let actors sing on-set without the orchestra track laid down and without a proper click track. Fricker ruined Les Mis, too.
Cats 1999 is good because of the songs and dancing and if you disagree you can suck my balls.
Only Charlie's songs are Disney-likes, everyone's got their own style. Lucifer is swing, Alastor is jazz, Adam is rock, etc.
There's no accounting for taste but if you're not into musicals I have no idea why you'd watch this show to begin with
>I have no idea why you'd watch this show to begin with
I like the Beetlejuice/early 2000s mallgoth cartoon aesthetics basically. Vivzie's stuff is the closest thing to that we have these days so I'm willing to put up with a lot of bullshit.
the show wouldn't even be half as popular without the music
There seems to be a significant number of people that were expecting the show to be a deep, dark, broody melodrama. I can't for the life of me imagine why.
Only villain songs are any good. Otherwise the music is bland sappy Disney wannabe pop trash.
So basically if Alastor or Adam are involved - good
Anyone else - bad
>so talking about the style would be nice
Well if you want discussion of designs etc., there's like four years of that in the archives thanks to the slow drip production.
>Cinemaphile has absolutely no vocabulary to talk about music or animation
Alternatively, HH doesn't attract that calibre of poster for some baffling reason. Anyway, I encourage you to be the change you want to see.
Leaving your weapon behind every extermination is not "Moriarty tier levels of planning"
>I can't read
fun!
>I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
Those are not the same at all. The hotel is only able to defend itself and have the great grand battle--before Lucifer--because of this contrivance. It's an important plot point.
>It's a contrivance!
Yes. And?
Jesus this is painful, it's like talking to an elementary schooler
Oh, you're a consoomer. Sorry, reddit might be more your place.
>who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?
Alfred does.
Yeah but some random debris gave Lute some bleeding cuts on her face.
How exactly would exterminations do anything to stymie Hell's population, when there should be many billions of sinners there, and there's only a few dozen exorcists, each of whom only kill a couple hundred per year?
That's not what a plot hole is
>he won't tell us what a plot hole is
A plot hole is what your ass is gonna be after I rape you.
they killed 18% of the population in one extermination, that's hardly a couple hundred
>18% of Hell's population
We don't know exactly how many people go to heaven as opposed to hell, but among the 109 BILLION people to have died let's say it's 50/50 and say 55 billion people are in Hell.
18% of 55 Billion is almost 10 Billion. A YEAR.
Only sixty million people DIE a year on average and they're most certainly not all going to Hell.
I assumed they'd probably only exterminate as many people as enter Hell a year to keep it level but they're killing that hundreds of times over. In less than a decade there wouldn't be a soul left in Hell
>109 billion people have died in the HH universe
That's a pretty massive assumption there, pal-o.
You wouldn't be trying to insert real-life statistics into this, would you?
Because that would be stupid.
its an extermination, its supposed to exterminate all souls in hell. The exorcists were extremely effective and efficient on their killing or something else, caused by the extermination caused even more souls to disappear. Still, 18% is a really big number, sinners and demons must be very fricking stupid ans stubborn to not do something about it and somehow manage to keep their society going. Covid had a far smaller mortality rate and caused panic worldwide, making many societies change in fundamental ways during it. Meanwhile the underworld was barely changed by the hellocaust
>Meanwhile the underworld was barely changed by the hellocaust
This can be excused to some extent by the setting. IRL we have a bunch of centralized governments and supranational organizations that share information and homogenize policy. Hell has nothing but a king and queen who bailed, a princess with no social connections aside from a recently fallen angel, and a bunch of butthole gangsters busy protecting their own rackets.
>they killed 18% of the population in one extermination
Should've killed more.
Angels can hurt other angels. What she didn't know is that Sinners with angelic weapons would count as angels/holy in the eyes of whatever conditional immunity protects angels.
The 7 deadly sins are eldritch abominations that are thousands of years old. They don't really give a frick about proving themselves to random demons
Wait, why is Adam the bad guy? Wasn't Cain a real rebel?
bold of you to assume cain exists in the vivzieverse
I want to wienerslap every moron that tries to bring up actual biblical canon
It's just an aesthetic you spergs
How do you think the show will address the Book of Revelation or the harrowing of Hell?
Give it to me, daddy
How bad and careless writing and spreading your lore around on live streams and tweets (that you change your mind about) can and will divide a fanbase
Why can Vaggie grow her wings back but not her eye?
>angelic weapon
Why can't Lute grow her arm back?
To be fair even VAGGIE doesn't seem to know how her regeneration powers work, she literally just asspulled the wings after a song and dance number.
Post art of background characters you like.
I don't know why I like this cannibal specifically.
He looks like a less homosexualy Alastor so I can't blame you
This guy is that Sinner Child that Vaggie spared and now he is back to make Vaggie his bride and mating press her as soon as possible.
I like all the cannibal designs, look at these qts, if they offered me some forbidden long pork for dinner I wouldn’t say no.
So I just watched this show and a big problem I had with it is that it constantly felt like set up.
We were continually getting these lorebait hints with Alastor and while he’s definitely a fun character so much of him is wrapped up in mysteries which won’t get resolved until later on. Most of the characters not at the hotel felt like they were there to be “season 2” characters who are going to play a role LATER ON instead of really being a part of the story season 1 was trying to tell. Biggest examples though were definitely Vox, Velvette, Sera, and Emily. Now I actually think Vox is a super fun character with an interestinh rivalry with Alastor and I really love the idea of Emily being an “angel Charlie” character who tries to fix Heaven in the same way that Charlie tries to fix Hell. But the problem is when you only have 8 episodes and you’re spending so much time setting up future shit, the story you’re trying to tell THIS season comes off half baked at best. Like, Adam was the villain of the season but it feels like there’s so much we don’t know about him (Though in his case I think he’ll probably get reincarnated as a sinner in a reverse of Pentious, but still)
I think the only episode that managed to balance its runtime competently was episode 4 because it was actually ABOUT Angel instead of 5 different concepts competing for screentime.
The show simultaneously feels too rushed and too set up somehow. Someone said it before, but the entire angel plot feels like some sort of escalation introduced in S2-3 after the basic hurdles and successes of the hotel are established. Instead we jumped right into Disney's SMT with Sir Pent's therapy being mostly offscreened.
Apparently there was a 3 month time skip between episodes 4 and 5 (or 5 and 6). In the beginning of the episode Charlie's freaking out about the time that's passed and she has nothing to show for it.
What is going through Lute's head at the moment?
Do NOT pay attention to OP pic, that's a completely headcanon scale
>but if it were ME I would have done this and this and...
That's not what a plot hole is you dumb motherfricker
>I'M JUST THINKING LOGICALLY
No, you're nitpicking elements of the story that are purely functional and don't matter at all.
Like why the Mother isn't in How I Met Your Mother.
>purely functional
Oh I see, we're arguing that if the story is above criticism then it can't actually be criticised.
>if the story is above criticism then it can't actually be criticised
that's a tautology so that would have to be correct, but it seems like the message here is "you're nitpicking an element of the story that is unimportant and failing to do so on top of that"
Well considering that element of the story is the whole reason why Charlie is trying to raise an army to fend off Heaven, I wouldn't call it unimportant when it's this poorly explained and inconsistently depicted.
The answers to everything about Vaggie seem to keep going back to "she's bad and everything and stupid" which just raises the question of why ADAM of all people thought she kicked ass as an angel.
>Why did Adam think she ruled
because Adam sucks too, have you even watched this thing?
I'm guessing no because, as has been pointed out, this is all just scaffolding for the sitcom and music.
>Adam is unreliable narrator bro
Yeah okay, we didn't meant to believe Vaggie was a powerful top exorcist, how silly of me.
>Adam is an unreliable narrator
I didn't say that at all, you keep making these wild logical leaps.
Vaggie being a top exorcist or not isn't a problem even if her being stupid is a canon explanation (it's not)
Also
>we didn't meant
ESL begone.
Once again for the slow children:
A plot hole is when there is an explicit and irreparable inconsistency.
Lets use JL:Doom as an example.
>Darkseid just stands there and watches the League fight his minions instead of joining the fight, and if he had joined the fight he would have easily won.
This is called a contrivance. There is no inconsistency, just suboptimal behavior for a person's goals that allows the story to continue. These typically don't even require explanations, as people are not flawless logical robots.
>Darkseid's eye beams hit Green Arrow and he gets knocked down then gets right back up, but then the same eye beams hit Superman and he gets knocked out cold and barely survives
This is a direct inconsistency, the same beam is doing two different things for no reason.
Another form of plot hole would be continuity errors, like a character being in two places at once.
>it doesn't matter that it only works because everyone's moronic: it's a sitcom
First, it's at least a sitcom-drama unless you somehow managed to skip over all the super-cereal domestic abuse, daddy issues, relationship woes, etc., so this defense doesn't really work. Second, this is reminiscent of the
>why do you care if unrealistic shit happens in a fantasy setting, it's not meant to be realistic
defense of sloppy writing in fantasy settings. Internal consistency and plausibility is valuable regardless of genre. It's not like "whoops everyone is moronic" is clever humour in itself. The angel weapons thing is just not very intelligent writing being handwaved by all the characters expressing incredulity over how no one figured it out before.
>it doesn't matter that the plot works because characters shown to be dumb are dumb
Correct.
>why do you care if unrealistic shit happens in a fantasy setting, it's not meant to be realistic
What the frick are you even talking about, anon?
This feels like you're having half a conversation with me and half with the demons in your head.
>making everyone conveniently stupid is fine as long as it's an established trait
Nah. It's not plausible, and it's not funny either (a worse sin from a sitcom-writing perspective) since the "joke" is barely capitalized on in favour of cramming in more action sequences. Which is another clue that the show isn't much of a sitcom.
>What the frick are you even talking about
Reread the post more slowly. I'm likening your shit argument to another common form of shit argument that relies on genre as a crutch to defend against criticism of weak writing.
>It's not plausible that these fictional characters aren't brilliant
Stopped reading here because you've started with something completely moronic and I assume the second half of your post is you fighting with the demons in your head again.
>TL;DRing a one paragraph reply
I accept your concession and I hope you do better next time.
>no defense or response, just a thought-terminating cliche
I accept your concession :^)
Enjoy arguing with the voices in your head
>hey if you think way too hard and make bad assumptions about this tertiary element then it doesn't make much sens-
rule of cool, homosexual
get out of my face
>Hazbin Hotel
>cool
Can anyone can explain why a b***h who apparently has killed thousands of sinners (many of whom were dangerous I'm sure, since hell is most likely not all tax evaders and shoplifters) doesn't seem to be able to win a fight? You'd think by that point she would evolve beyond just rushing into shit even with the invincibility.
Yet she gets floored every single time. Even in the pilot it's implied that Alastor could easily beat her if he wanted to.
What are your honest thoughts on this relationship?
Vile and blasphemous.
You are the one to talk Lute
Vile and blasphemous
I just want more baggie ryona
Lucifer and Adam are NOT on the same playing field. Lucifer was fricking around and Adam still couldn't even hit him, and then the moment Lucifer got even a little serious he pimp-slapped Adam away then beat the living shit out of him.
Adam and Lilith were said to be equals in the intro, so I assume Adam is closer to Lilith. And all the angels are under Adam, but probably stronger than the other six sins
>And all the angels are under Adam, but probably stronger than the other six sins
Adam is absolutely not implied to be above the Seraphim as these posters said:
He's above the other angels we've seen so far, though.
He'd probably still batter Emily like a training dummy, but that's because she is even less battle-prepared than Charlie and has no experience. Sera likely wipes the floor with Adam just the same as Lucy did.
I hate you to the point that it may effect Earth's magnetism.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/106599943
Name a character you hate
Hard mode: besides Vaggie
Adam. I'm only posting this image because its untagged and that one Adam femanon might want to see it.
I almost decided to skip over this thread, I’m glad I didn’t. Bless you anon kek
niffty is annoying
I guess I hated Alastor at first, but started to grow on me slowly so I'll go with the Vees. They're just annoying.
imagine hating this face
Maybe if I didn't have to hear her cringy rapping. Easily the worst song.
maybe I'm not down with the street but she wasn't rapping
lol yeah that wasn't rap
Rap doesn't have to be atonal.
she's very clearly singing
...rap does not have to be atonal
well then what the frick is rapping or singing even supposed to be if singing can also be rapping
They're not mutually exclusive terms
You can sing a rap
At this point it's just a pretty vague genre descriptor
Vox is cool.
Emily, unironically
Carmella. I don't like her singing.
I hated Adam at first then he grew on me unlike Carmella. Mimzy was too forgettable to hate on
The more obnoxious characters like Velvette (jesus christ british rap is the worst) don't really have enough time to be properly hated.
I would have said Angel Dust several weeks ago but I can tolerate him now that they gave him some nuance and he's no longer a walking sex jokes trope and hitting on everything that owns a dick.
Now? It's probably Velvette, I don't hate her but I can't stand her smugness.
Carmella
I thought she was a big bat at first and she had two huge bat ears, then realized it was just her stupid hair.
Hope she dies.
She's cute with her hair down though.
She's just a bland human though, she doesn't have anything weird about her like the sinners are supposed too.
Husk hate cats cats, gets turned into cat.
Angels a homosexual, become a spider...idk why vague reasoning on vivs part.
what's her deal, all she has wrong with her is red eyes and maybe a little mask on her face?
weak character design.
how did you miss her fricking gigantic hands
Still pretty weak.
She has a meeting with a guy who is an eldritch horror nightmare monster and a woman who got turned into a fricking dinosaur, and this b***h just got...slightly larger hands???
Is she a troony, are they "man-hands" is that why they haunt her so much? maybe "her daughters" real bio mother is heaven. Would actually make sense in the viv world.
She has giant hands that are reminiscent of a swans wings, because she was a ballet dancer in life.
i wonder if she hated it because otherwise how is her look a punishment
she probably had body dysmorphia of some kind and thought her hands were huge and ugly
>how is her look a punishment
It probably isn't unless she was really assblasted at being typecast as Odile instead of Odette or something. But the furry forms aren't punishments. AD's sister shows up in the background in heaven and she's a spider too.
Niffty, because she’s more schizophrenic than her pilot self. That and she killed my favorite character when he was on 1HP
I don't get why people like Rosie so much
they do?
Yeah I see tons of fanart of her
She's cool af, looks kinda like a skullgirls character
I love freaky/unhinged women, even more so if they look classy. Also, do any of the Alastorgays here like Rosie as well? What do you think about her?
nice design and she's sweet
Her design and demeanor are distinct from other females and overlords at least. Personally, I think she looks like a background character. I appreciate they were trying for a vintage animation aesthetic, but the dead black eyes make her soulless in motion, and not in a creepy or cool way. I was also a bit annoyed with her serving as Charlie's relationship guru out of fricking nowhere instead of using the split as an opportunity to develop Charlie's friendship with another main cast member. The show keeps telling me all the residents of the hotel have strong bonds but I don't see it.
I don't get why she thought revealing that her girlfriend was an extermination angel too her was a good idea. I doubt vaggie would want that info spread around hell, least of all too the fricking queen of the cannibals, angels aren't exactly popular in hell afterall.
>treating an overlord she just met as a personal therapist just because she seems motherly
In another show, Charlie would face consequences for this. Rosie selling that information and someone coming after Vaggie for revenge would be a decent twist.
yeah anon the plot is 100% resolved and there will never be any future developments on season 1 plot points. The favor she owes Alastor? Irrelevant, he didn't even bring it up! Heaven finding out about the exterminations? Might as well not have happened, Adam doesn't even talk about it! Lute approaching Lilith? I don't even consider than scene to be canon since it wasn't addressed afterwards.
Lute approaches Lilith because she now has custody over redeemed sinners.
Doesn't matter, the scene doesn't exist because it establishes a plot thread that is not immediately resolved
>The favor she owes Alastor?
>Heaven finding out about the exterminations?
>Lute approaching Lilith?
All of those hooks were about as subtle as a brick to the face whereas so far there's no hint that Rosie isn't what she seems on the surface beyond 'lol cannibal tho'. Treating her like a surrogate mother was a just a way to blast through Charlie's drama in one episode so she and Vag could be reunited for the finale. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
You forgot about this hook.
this isn't a hook so much as it's a theory/cope. if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.
No. Adam is not faking it, the hook about his return since his death was very different from the other exorcist.
sorry
Adam is not faking it, the hook is about his future return, since his death was very different from the other exorcist (who lose their halos on their own, when Adam’s was still there.)
>if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.
He would be in a critical state, acting is irrelevant
And his body was taken off screen
>Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade
To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another
>To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another
Yeah thats why I said my theory is kind of weak. If they own souls and their eyes are yellow(not black or red) then I'm way off the mark.
>Adam and Lucifer on the same tier
>Adam above seraphim like Emily
Holy cope. Also I'm gonna say if Charlie knew how to properly fight she would be above Adam.
Made for Mammon
I could see her desperately husband shopping, trying to replace her beard to maintain her lifestyle.
I love her, I hate Stolas so much it's unreal
I don't like Blitzo or Stolas, they're a match made in hell. I think it's because they're both awful people that the narrative treats as sympathetic for some reason.
>I think it's because they're both awful people that the narrative treats as sympathetic for some reason.
I'm afraid Lucifer is going to turn into this too. He's supposed to be all sad and lonely but it seems like he could have fixed that anytime by manning up as a dad instead of playing with duckies in his basement. And when he's not sad, he's abrasive and wienery bore.
You gotta think about what the duckies represent since he created Hell And rebelled against Heaven.
I believe Israel calls their exterminations "mowing the lawn."
At some point, your outside forces will withdraw. And you will be left on this planet with me.
Don't tempt me anon
So since Val tends to abuse Vox, does he also abuse Velvette?
No, she is black and a woman. That would be a racial hate crime, black lives matter in hell man....that's why they are in hell afterall
Vox and Val are a couple and Valentino is a domestic abuser
Velvette is his gal pal so he won't touch her though he won't hesitate to kill her models
>So since Val tends to abuse Vox
not canon anymore.
In the show it seems like Vox is the one on the brink of blasting a moth with lightning somtimes
Not canon anymore but Val abusing everyone is always canon to me
>this
>twitter accusing viv for being pro Isreal due to her going to McDonalds
It sure is
You are a cheap imitation of humanity and I get better at seeing it every day.
>Israel does genocide for fun
>but also Palestinians are demons
hrm
The more I think about this show the dumber the whole thing is honestly.
>No one ever thought the use the angels weapons against them which happened to be the very thing that can kill them, even Hell spawn can use holy weapons (bullshit)
>How Lucifer could've just mogged Adam any time he wanted to. Makes you think how long he just sat and watched Hell spawn getting gotted
>How Adam so casually and effortlessly merked Sir Pentious and didn't think to do that to anyone else
>How the only real portfolio the Hotel has of someone getting redeemed and going to Heaven essentially offed himself to do it.
>Despite the fact the Hotel was made to give sinners a chance of redemption to go the heaven almost everyone in Hell seems happy and content with their lot, all of them singing songs and what not.
>Despite Hells issue being overpopulation no where did it seem like it was a major issue. Just a normal ass city.
I don't get it. Is everyone that genuinley enjoys this an honest to God moron, or do you literally have to shut off your brain and intellect to watch this and come out """"enjoying"""" it?
I'm here for the music and the cute girls
You have brain rot.
I don't need every show to be deep lore superdrama to enjoy it
>IT'S BEEN SIX SEASONS WHY IS THIS SHOW CALLED HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER WHERE'S THE MOTHER THEY'RE JUST DRINKING IN A BAR
Frick off to Cinemaphile already.
How do Angel's feet work?
I saw fanart that depicted them as pseudo-paws with stingers at the ends of them and it disturbed me.
I've seen people make them hooves
>People ITT unironically hating the big and flexible milf latina
Since when is Cinemaphile filled with gays?
I like her but her voice sucks. I have a similar issue with Vaggie.
>Carmine
Hot, MILF, decent personality, bad voice AND bad singing
>Vaggie
Hot, kind of boring, bad voice but decent singing
kids today, I swear
>bad singing
in what?
The only person in the entire production that has egregiously bad singing/melodyning is Husk.
Would you prefer if I said I don't like her singing voice?
No problem dude.
Valid criticism and yeah, I do agree that Carmine's voice is unfit for her (she sounds like a grandma) and the show shouldn't have devoted two musical acts to her when her singing is okay at best.
it makes sense when you account for how hard Viv pushes her Latina identity and how she's a 90s theatre kid
Why does she and people like her care about "identity" so much?
a cynic would say it's all marketing
an optimist would say she was raised at least partially in that culture and feels a connection to it, and through it her family and ancestors
a rightoid would say she's racist
a leftist would say American culture is a nightmarish hellscape and people are desperate for a connection to any culture that isn't that
Me? I just hate Israel.
Sauce? Pilot Carmilla is just better.
She's more graceful, deadly and more intimidating in her Pilot Design then in her ugly design now
Built for Zestial
Yes.
Do you think the old man hit that?
If not fully smashed, they have at least kissed.
you're surprised the HH fanbase is gays and gay hags?
Her design and personality are top tier but both her songs were a chore to listen to and I don't care for her VA's speaking voice either.
she's pure sexo
>she sounds like a grandma
that makes it hotter.
Why doesn't Lucifer make hell bigger with magic or build taller buildings with magic?
*teaches your deer how to poledance*
What if Charlie had a brother?
Yeah and what if his name was Melvin?
brother of the joker?
Melvin, Melvin, the brother of our Charlie.
Theory
Red sclera=owns a soul
black sclera = you don't own your soul(not necessarily that someone owns it)
Neither = not part of the soul economy
What this would mean:
Obvious one: Angel only owns part of his soul, renting it out to valentino when he works.
Alastor can hide the fact that he's owned until he has to release his power, his sclera turn black when he threatens husk.
Every cannibal sold their soul to rosie, who in turn has given her own soul to someone else, or they all sold their soul to the same being
Sir Pentious owns all the souls of the egg bois, and gave them up automatically when he ascended to heaven
Arguments against this theory
Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade(though i think this only weakens my theory because IDK how one would become an overlord without the influence of the souls or angelic power.), or they like to hide their power levels like Alastor.
Charlie and Lucifer technically own all the souls in hell? Also weakens the theory, but their eyes turn red during their transformations.
So, is sera secretly evil or something?
her soul belongs to God played by Olga Merediz, OBVIOUSLY
Oh… So Sera is owned by Roo of all things? So that’s the “god” Viv’s draft was talking about.
>>
Honestly a cool idea. But as you mentioned, the exceptions sink the theory. There's this design from the pilot, and series Zestial could have another set of hidden eyes since he's spider themed. But there's no explanation for the scalie unless she's just some overlord's representative.
Whoops, wrong image.
>But there's no explanation for the scalie unless she's just some overlord's representative.
Maybe what I think is her mascara is actually representative of her owning part of her soul like Angel and can transform to show more red eyes. That is bordering on schizo territory though
why are all Viv's best characters the ones she tries to make totally unsympathetic
Stolas is such a pathetic gay
TOTAL STOLAS DEATH
What are good fanfics of beaten/abused/injured Charlie?
Angels are fricking jobbers
Sadly not suprised, but still incredibly dissapointing, guess all demons were all a bunch of morons that never thought even ONCE about ever fighting back while using their own weapons against them
the entire premise of the show is that demons have accepted their fate and have little desire to change it. Exterminations are just part of that.
Stop trying to overthink what is a clear plot hole, there absolutely NO WAY that there wasn't a bunch of demons brave/crazy enough that tried to fight back the second they got a hold of that angelic stuff
Genderbend
>Lute is exactly the same
Not
>”sweet! Now tell them to kys!”
>"sweet! Now send federal agents to their address!"
Imagine this Charlie forcing herself on you.
Save me Jesus! Now! Please! Now! Please!
I can probably take her on.
>Anon was found split in half
In a fight, right?
But I'm not a black beat-boxing youtuber.
>Sad Vaggie in the background because Charlie never does that to her.
Meet the newest member of the Vees. VEG.
>owns the most popular weed brand Demon Dank
>basically runs all the dispensaries in Pentagram City
>hands are giant pot leafs
>all his songs are stoner metal and plays bass but only knows like 3 chords
>has connections to the deadly sin Sloth
>died in the 1990s
>original character do not steal
Damn, who was he on Earth?
a frat boy. he died after taking a massive bong toke and passing out and hitting his head. nice GET btw.
Damn, and he was sent to Hell? Not cool.
Is he gay?
ATHF looking mfer
The tumblr queer stuff is obnoxious but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy Viv's art style. It's refreshing to see someone with a unique style actually have it be animated, and she draws hot women despite being woke
This(kind of) I wished her colors were more diverse
I can honestly say I love each and every one of the songs in the show, there are no actual bad ones.
I also kind of wonder if they will ever do another version of Inside Of Every Demon Is A Rainbow with the new VA.
the reprise of Hell Is Forever with the orchestra made me cum
Same. That reprise and the back-and-forth masterpiece that is More Than Anything made me understand why Viv became a musical theater dweeb.
every time a new character showed up was like this for Broadway nerds, she really pandered to the niche
I'm really glad to see that. Even if some of the stuff might've flew over my head I love when passion projects for nerds by nerds win over slop that's optimized for the widest audience possible.
I have a friend who watched solely because of the broadway voices, I guess switching the VAs was good for business
that's 90% of the reason I watched, I was only vaguely aware of Viv/Helluva Boss through Cinemaphile osmosis
>switching the VAs was good for business
What's the size of the "musical theater fangirls who recognize multiple industry figures" market? Any added watchers are worthwhile of course, but not being into Broadway I would have assumed that's a very niche demographic.
I mean my friend is a dude who isn't even into cartoons that much, so I assume broadway names can exert a lot of pull for their fans.
Sure they aren't as big as blockbuster movie stars, but Broadway still is Broadway.
It's less about the size and more about having a ready-made core fanbase with a corner of Tiktok/Instagram already carved out, which can then spread the word to less hardcore fans. Plus she also wrote music that appeals to Broadway fans and works well in short Tiktok bites.
also this is just my schizo Pepe Silvia posting but Viv got extremely lucky with the timing around Mean Girls, there's a bunch of comparisons of Erika Henningson's Broadway performance and the movie going around, and suddenly she has another toe in the door
Ah. That makes more sense. Dedication>raw numbers.
Centaurworld was the same way
We need more Broadway cartoons
Pilot-Adam and Pilot-Lute
mmm yes don't mind if I do
Nifty, no!
Gremlin lute
>Will try to scratch and bite you
>Will cut and stab those you cause you harm
>Will always look cute doing it
Gremlin Adam
>Everyday will cause a nuisance
>Everyday will be fun
>Might attract other unknown gremlins
NIFTY, YES!
>Chaggie is the main couple of the series
>instead everyone loves the whole Adam/Lute pairing
Based.
>instead everyone loves the whole Adam/Lute pairing
I don't
REPENT RIGHT NOW
Never
No
Straights stay winning.
Does anyone think there will be a sudden switch-a-roo with Lucifer being the true villain in season 2.
No, but there could be Lucifer/Lilith domestic argument/violence kino.
wow this is making me ship rosie/alastor
Couldn't think of a more doomed ship besides Charalastor
well of course but sometimes that's the fun
taking vaggie home and introducing her to my vibrator collection
Is there a version with Angel Dust?
is there an empty version of this?
>empty version
Someone should make a version with a mirror reflecting a demon-ified green anon with a glass of wine.
the idea of being stood up while waiting for a date at Ozzie's is just prime story material, but its also a fantastic template
I swear I'm straight, but Luccy does something to me.
She will free him.
i've grown used to/accepted everyone being twinks but sometimes i see redesigns i enjoy
this person did charlie and vox too but i didn't really care for them
Hah Viv would never make a character look that black
Sera.
I dunno, she's kinda too otherworldly looking to me
And that's a good thing
it's funny how she straight up can't draw a black person
Well...
tbf we don't know if she designed those characters. i don't think viv would ever say no to black characters, i'm saying she struggles with drawing them.
That was probably one of the character designers, because Viv stated herself she struggles with muscular figures
Every "Black Alastor" design I see just looks like a rip-off of Dr. Facilier.
Anon, Alastor IS a rip-off of Dr.Facilier.
Never watched the Princess and the Frog. Are there commonalities aside from "witch doctor does devil's deals"? That's not exactly a rare concept. The radio motif? Cannibalism?
Voodoo witch doctor dealmaker, yeah.
seconding that alastor is already a facilier rip-off but that design takes more inspiration from cab calloway
Looks like a Lackadaisy escapee who got into henna dye. But oddly fitting for a depressed alcoholic voiced by a crusty grandpa. I'd like to see more de-coomified versions of the main cast members. Not deliberately ugly a la tumblr redraws, but just closer their backstory/age before death and with a little more variety of type.
oh no he’s hot
>Husky Husk
I want to hold Adam’s hand while he look at me disgustingly.
how would the smiling friends fare in Hazbin/Helluva Boss
>Adamsister rubbed off on me so hard I just had a dream with him
Anons why are we shuffling husbandos in our dreams
How would (You) fare in viv hell?
Viv should have it so Holy Angels and Winners run under Digital Circus cursing rules. That it’s impossible for them to swear.
the show is already borrowing heavily from The Good Place, having the swearing rules would make it too obvious
>The Good Place
I have seen several people talk about this, but what it is exactly borrowing from it?
The Good Place is about all 'hell is other sinners', which kinda is a thing in Hazbin but not the main theme? Also, it's not that Sinners are horrible people in the main cast of the Good Place, they just don't want to be tortured in Hell.
the main plot after the big twist reveal in Season 1 is essentially the main cast in the Bad Place learning to be better people with the end goal of earning their way to the Good Place after death
I hope with how much this show has exploded in popularity Amazon puts out some more merch for it, the stuff Viv put out before is kind of lacklustre.
Like an official Alastor plushie would fund an entire season with its sales, not to mention the other characters.
Could they please Digital Circus’d Lute, Adam, and other residence in Heaven. At least do that much for them?
I've been consistently baffled by the lack of Hazbin and Helluva merch
Vivzie could be a billionaire by now if she just let Spencer's Gifts sell a bunch of printed shit
HB gets new merch nearly every holiday/season but it's things like pins, charms, easy to manufacture stuff like that. HH had more steady merch but I think it slowed down a few years ago which makes sense since Viv doesn't own it anymore.
She still owns pilot designs AFAIK, plus she'd have to be dumb to not negotiate something with as much leverage as she has
I'd be shocked if she didn't negotiate a percentage of merch sales, everyone on the planet must know that's how George Lucas got rich off Star Wars by now
She should have signed up with the company that makes the merch for the other independent animators like Glitch, I’ve bought their Murder Drone plushies and they are really good quality.
I like both designs.
Why is this show so dumb?
BROADWAY BABY
Since the jannies here aren't allowing for a general, leaving us in a constant state of half a dozen slow threads at the same time I made a HH/HB general we can use, come check it out! Address is in the picture related
No
voxval sex
voxval sex with (You)
I want this so fricking badly I've been working on a piece like that but I decided to redo a bunch of stuff maybe I'll finish it tonight though
>being their little pet/girlfriend
The life...