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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    HH a HoaB are not connected universes.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sex with Alastor whether he likes it or not!
    Sex with Valentino whether you like it or not!
    Sex with Vox and making sure he likes it!
    Sex with Pentious and he makes sure you like it!
    Sex with Adam and you like it because it's heaven b***h!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >whether you like it or not!

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's best when you don't like it and you like that you don't like it amirite

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think this is the right hierarchy, but I don't blame the people who get lost in this mess.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frat boys are back in a big way.
    Nature is healing.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They won.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They won me over at least.

        Just finished the show myself and I dont know where to ask but what was alastor's motivation for helping Hazbin hotel?

        Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny. Watch the pilot if you haven't already, it's done better there. But the last couple of episodes imply that he's being forced to look after Charlie by someone else--Hudk says he's also on a leash and Alastor mentions freeing himself from something while he's coping and seething after losing to Adam.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh thanks, I guess I'll check out the pilot.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Lucifer and Adam
    Adam sadly belongs in the same sub-Sera tier as Lilith and Charlie unless it turns out there are extenuating circumstances for his shit performance versus Luci.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does this mean Sir REPENTious is stronger than most of the cast now?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The White Privilege

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine Alastor jobbing to him later

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It would make up for any pitfalls of that season.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Imagine Alastor jobbing to him later

        They won me over at least.
        [...]
        Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny. Watch the pilot if you haven't already, it's done better there. But the last couple of episodes imply that he's being forced to look after Charlie by someone else--Hudk says he's also on a leash and Alastor mentions freeing himself from something while he's coping and seething after losing to Adam.

        >Ostensibly he wants to watch them fail because it's funny.
        In a sense, he already did.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Imagine Alastor jobbing to him later
        Kino.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's supposed to be a guy?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I ship it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's a snake in heaven. Lucy absolutely did this

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes
      >his new innate ability is literally 「Made in Heaven」

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    She'll probably fart

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer and Adam are not the same tier, Luci is an archangel.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just finished the show myself and I dont know where to ask but what was alastor's motivation for helping Hazbin hotel?

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are we even talking about?
    Some crackprostitute who fricked already?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this fricking Lute legs crossed pose the most spilled/shellacked to thing from the show?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know what a
        >most spilled/shellacked to thing
        Is but I like sexy Lute

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this fricking Lute legs crossed pose the most spilled/shellacked to thing from the show?

      Sexoooooo

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No, it didn't change my opinion of them. Visually they look good together but their relationship as a whole is still a blackhole of charisma. Charlastor and Charlie/Emily are vastly superior and Vaggie had a better relationship dynamic with AD in the pilot than she did with Charlie throughout the whole show.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Visually they look good together
      Their pilot designs were so much better though. Not a big fan of the height difference either.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Paimon next to Asmodeus? He's Ars Goetia not Deadly Sin.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      same reason as vagene being a sinner

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So far, this is the only official power tier list.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I just wonder how much of a power gap it is between Goetia and Overlords, I feel like some of the top tier overlords like Alastor could probably beat a Goetia if Stolas is a good example of a powerful one.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Me, I'm wondering what the power gap between Sins and Goetia is. Did the Sins ever do anything impressive in Helluva?

          And yeah, Alastor probably has some extra bullshit up his sleeve given he debuted by overpowering other overlords.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The most HB has shown the Sins do is they can transform into giant true forms, I’m guessing like how Lucifer and Charlie had their demonic forms.
            It’s also been implied they may have been angels who fell with Lucifer, but no idea why they look more demonic in comparison.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Eh. I mean. Alastor can get big too, I'm not terribly impressed.

              [...]
              [...]
              Are the other deadly sins and goetia demons fallen angels too? Speaking of, I'm still not over Helluva Boss retconning Stolas into a guy in his 30's, dude should've been older than the universe.

              The way they described Hell's origin in Hazbin, it sounded to me like Lucifer was the only angel that actually fell and the other Hellborn demons just kind of...sprang up around him. Like edgy gay potatoes.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah the only reason I think the other Sins are fallen angels as well is Asmodeus mentions he’s known Mammon since before Hell started up, so it doesn’t sound like they are Hellborn like the Goetia and others are.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It’s also been implied they may have been angels who fell with Lucifer
              i think the implication might be just that they're the first of the hellborn since the war in heaven never happened and lucifer holds power over them by being a natural angel

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                He would have power over them regardless because he is a seraphim.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Probably not large. Goetias just seem like decadent nobles who've had it easy for a long time.
          I bet Alastor or Vox could beat some low or middle-level Goetia. Alastor could probably also bully Ozzie and Queen Bee a good bit (that was still a horribly stupid depiction of Beelzebub).

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Alastor could probably also bully Ozzie and Queen Bee a good bit
            lmao, moron

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I like Al' but Beelzebub and Asmodeus seem so squishy and nice because they literally have never once been in a life-threatening situation so far in their own show.
            If Alastor put them in a life or death fight they'd vaporize him or drop their 'cuddly' form and become sort sort of 50 headed, razor-penised, 1000 eyed Berserk apostle looking thing and rip Al's head off in one swing.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Given we seen Char Char have multiple forms I don't even think Luci has shown us his full moron mode given how easily he was bodying Adam.
              c**ts a fricking moron for thinking Al has a chance at all.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Asmodeus gets bullied and has his gay lover threatened by some imp. And he couldn't just teleport immediately and kill Crimson.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'll believe it when the so called "Deadly Sins" actually do something impressive. because they just seem like figureheads now who no one should respect.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                this
                in Helluva Boss they've done literally nothing, and Asmodeus has been shown to be an impatient, illiterate, incompetent shit who almost signed a contract that would have let an imp have all his factories and use his gay clown's head as a wall decoration, and according to Stolas "a deal made with a Sin is everlastingly binding" so he doesn't even take his own authority and the stuff he's bound too seriously
                the only impressive thing we've seen the Sins do is become bigger, we saw Beelzebub do it, we saw Asmodeus and Mammon do it and other than getting bigger and making threats, they do jack shit
                the only authority in Hell that's show to actually have power is Lucifer and he's still hobbled by the fact he's a depressed nerd who's still reeling from his divorce apparently

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                The "Sins" can grow to big size if they're angry, but so can an Overlord like Alastor, so...

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Queen Bee is one of Viv's best characters due. Both her design and the subtle implication that the parties are part of some weird magic where she goes berserk if disrupted were great

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Her design sucks. It shouldn't have been Beelzebub, should have just been some famous hellhound popstar.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Frick no, the Goetia family is the third most influential family in hell for a reason.

          It's better to think of the overlords as big fish in a small pond: only powerful among little shits, which is why they're only ever fighting each other for scraps.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I just wonder how much of a power gap it is between Goetia and Overlords, I feel like some of the top tier overlords like Alastor could probably beat a Goetia if Stolas is a good example of a powerful one.

        Me, I'm wondering what the power gap between Sins and Goetia is. Did the Sins ever do anything impressive in Helluva?

        And yeah, Alastor probably has some extra bullshit up his sleeve given he debuted by overpowering other overlords.

        Are the other deadly sins and goetia demons fallen angels too? Speaking of, I'm still not over Helluva Boss retconning Stolas into a guy in his 30's, dude should've been older than the universe.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymouse

          The goetia are definitely born in hell, they aren't fallen angels. They seem to be the most powerful of the native hellborn races by virtue of being the only ones capable of using magic.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >overlords can do magic
            You are moronic if you think they're the only magical race. They're just the only properly arcane bloodline. It's why they exist. Like frick, man, get it together - Luna casts spells in HB season 1.
            Power in the realms of the afterlife are based on AT LEAST two properties with potential for other factors.
            Souls and embodiment. Overlords are more powerful if they own more souls and power can also be granted to someone if you have their soul. Embodiment of a concept works from the smallest overlord to the big bosses, the sins.
            Realmborn are spawned as they are and do not desire souls so they are limited by their arcane knowledge (again see Luna or any other demon using spells - there are several including his sister and the succubi).

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymouse

              Yeah, Luna is literally using the Goetia book to cast a spell, she can't cast spells without it. Blitzo's sister uses a similar spell that goes to the human world, but she uses a fricking magic ring (made by the goetia) to do it, it was the main plot point of the first half of that episode.
              Imps and Hellhounds can "use" magic tools but they aren't magical. You can see this clearly in the LA episode where Luna struggles to light her cigarette, and goth bird does it for her, even though stolas has barely trained her in any magic apparently.
              Imps and hellhounds just use the magic tools the goetia make, that's the whole underlying plot of Helluva boss, i.e. why Blitzo wants Stolas book to get too the human world.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can't give less of a frick about this power level bullshit given how things develop in the show
        >Striker almost killed an Ars Goetia because he had angelic weapon, something people in hell can just get by buying it from Carmilla or finding it post-extermination.
        >virtually no difference between imps, hellhounds and hellborn
        >The seven deadly sins have to hide their relationships or abusive work environment despite being rulers of their rings and being able to do whatever the frick they want with zero repercussions whatsoever.
        Also they are LITERALLY THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS why would they hide their own sins?
        >Charlie and Lucifer get no respect being mistreated and insulted by all the sinners alike, Lucifer himself being intimidated by a mere overlord like Alastor
        What's the point of a system like this in shows when characters can just ignore their status and insult or beat each other regardless of who they are? An imp kidnapped the sin of Lust's boyfriend and he had to negotiate his freedom? Can't you just use your powers, or the powers of your Ars Goetia friend to just instantly free him? It's all bullshit.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What's the point of a system like this
          Drama, the writers don't care so the characters don't care. All that matters is the relationship drama. I agree with you kinda silly to have these "power rankings" to be tbh

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            But the only relationship drama is one person is rich and the other is poor. You don't need a power level system for that, just make one character a rich person and another a poor one.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Striker almost killed an Ars Goetia because he had angelic weapon
          The two are called (Consecrated weapon vs Angelic weapon) and look (silver vs glowing yellow) differently. So either Striker has a contact better than Carmilla or ... I'm sure it'll be explained (not).

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's a really sexy picture of Vox and my new phone bg now thanks

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      As the most powerful Goetia he is on the level of a Sin

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So apparently, in every angel purge that happened before Hazbin episode 1, no demon ever thought of trapping an angel under rubble?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, most of the time angels would have been fighting together, not in 1v1 duels with no back up. Even if you dropped a piano on one angel, the others would just stab you then dig her out.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    No, it didn't change my opinion of them. Visually they look good together but their relationship as a whole is still a blackhole of charisma. Charlastor and Charlie/Emily are vastly superior and Vaggie had a better relationship dynamic with AD in the pilot than she did with Charlie throughout the whole show.

    They're both super sexy, everyone here is.
    But they have negative chemistry and sex appeal together.
    As a couple they read as not having been intimate in years or are incapable of it and also you're not being this supporting and loving if you're not intimate, especially given their "age", sexuality, physical shape.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Vaggie constantly whipping out her angelic spear ready to stab people like Sir Pentious
    In hindsight that’s really fricked up, like imagine Charlie’s reaction to her gf permanently murdering someone.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bull dykes are awful like that.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >don't repost without my permission

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I learn English for she.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gay and my dick IS small

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone have a picture of Blitzo's billboard advertisement? And if so can they post i?

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Lucifer and Adam on the same tier
    NO.
    Lucifer is miles above adam. Some overlords are above jobber angels.

    Cosmologically:
    Divine>Profane

    Locally:
    Head - inherent avatar of the domain
    >lucifer
    >either the remaining six angels or Michael
    Principles - highest powers below the head who manage the domain and embody essential functions/elements
    >the sins
    >the six head angels (seen in More Than Anything - and implying Luci was one of them)
    Deputies - entities descending from or related to the head or principles
    >goetia and other princes
    >virtues probably - all the unique angels seen in the court
    Empowered Mortals - Mortal souls who have empowered themselves through supernatural means such as embodiment and souls
    >adam
    >the overlords
    Mortal Souls - mortal souls with pseudo-immortality but little power
    >mortal angels
    >mortal demons
    Realborn - entities who produced by the realm but who do not embody essential functions like the principles and their off spring
    >cherubs
    >imps and assorted morons (there's no reason to rate succubi above imps they're on the same level even if imps are the worst of it)

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you do a spreadsheet?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know what that would achieve. What do you actually want?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lucifer is not an Elder of Heaven, he was kicked out by them and he can't oppose them, so he is below whoever those six guys are.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Empowered Mortals - Mortal souls who have empowered themselves through supernatural means such as embodiment and souls
      >>adam
      That wouldn't make sense considering that Lilith as the first human is on the level of Charlie, who is above the Sins. Adam makes a clear distinction between him and other mortal souls.

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He didn't do anything wrong. They had their chance and they earned damnation.

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    EVERYONE
    IS
    SO
    MEAN
    TO
    ME

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not that complicated.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >God turned out to be a deranged A/B/O fanfic writer

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you read the shit the Catholics took out at first, the OT God is just an /LULZ/ incel with severe mommy issues. I'm not making this up

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, I know that even in the current bible at one point God compares his relationship to Israel like grooming a child bride so I believe you

          Probably not large. Goetias just seem like decadent nobles who've had it easy for a long time.
          I bet Alastor or Vox could beat some low or middle-level Goetia. Alastor could probably also bully Ozzie and Queen Bee a good bit (that was still a horribly stupid depiction of Beelzebub).

          It's so weird to remember Charlie is technically super powerful, but just so hilariously bad at fighting it's almost completely irrelevant.

          She is the Gohan of succubi.

  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        CHADam won

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Brushing Alastor's dirty dirty teeth against his will because Charlie complained about his breath.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I will brush his teeth with my wiener and semen

  29. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like I'm too old for this show, so I'll just ask, do they ever reference archons, Yaldabaoth, or Sophia in this?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. They may even have made the fruit free will instead of knowledge.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's a shame. We got motherfrickers living out irl Cyberpunk today and people still don't know

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      No.
      Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss reference the Ars-Goetia, The daemonology and the idea of the '7-deadly-sins' [Which in the show each has a spirit who is in command of it, each of which is basically made a demigod overseeing a transcendental (a)morality] and the idea of the 'circles of hell' from Dante. And the idea of 'ranks and orders of Angels' from the Theurgists and John Dee and co'

      It's really more like a Italian Renaissance + ~1600s British early-enlightenment painting of reality and the supernatural - And not 'JRPG art-school try-hard who read the wikipedia page on Gnosticism and Catharism once'.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The telltale for that kind of chuunibyo writing isn't the mythologies used so much as that they're not thrown in with much rhyme or reason
        This basically sums it up: https://youtu.be/iNPK6DzQCzY?si=7Q-YD9RLps28BKra

  30. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    season 2 antagonist
    >Punished Adam
    >A man denied his Lute

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Season 2 antagonist
      >Adam Kadmon.

  31. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    New here, any Pentiousgays here?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      basically the whole fandom here? doubt anyone hates the dude he is pretty entretaining unlike FRAUDstor

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Like you wanna frick him?
      I don't think I've seen any girl in these threads who wants to frick him come to think of it

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        being a charactergay is Cinemaphile lingo for him being your favourite character, anon

  32. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >take alastor
      >make him boring
      ???

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's his human form anon
        According to Viv that design is close to Canon

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Didn’t she also claim he was biracial in life, meaning all the white guy Alastor art is wrong?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            She came up with the bi racial thing afterwards because of twitterites
            According go this post Viv said it was close and recently people are asking for source on that but honestly who fricking knows, the comment is years old now
            The lore for this series is all over the place and there really is a lot of contradiction for certain things
            I guess if someone wants to watch hundreds of hours of stream footage maybe the source could be found but Viv changes her mind about too much so what's the point
            https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/i4oh0w/is_this_really_alastors_canon_human_appearance/

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              It must be insane to be a new fan who only seen the show on Amazon, when there’s the pilot that the show references you’d have to go look up on YouTube, then years worth of interviews and streams dripping lore and soft-canon about characters that you’d have to surf the wiki for.
              Not to mention how trying to find the wiki might end up on that fanfic wiki instead since they are near identical.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who can even remember everything from those streams I certainly can't
                This is really why I treat canon for this series like a build your own plate buffet and at the end of the day I've got my own autism version of things in my head anyway
                Everything being so confusing is a double edged sword
                Also didn't JTTL have actual leaks at one point

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Speaking of Amazon, they better be looking at these numbers. The "Prime Video" YouTube channel's lowest viewed Hazbin Hotel video (We Love the Hell Out of Charlie Morningstar) has only 123k views and released 14 hours ago as of this comment. The most viewed video (Hell's Greatest Dad) has 12m views in 11 days.
                They have to know how ravenous the fans are for content; and if they don't capitalize or at the very least invest more money for episodes or content they're literally throwing money away.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                hope they aren't moronic like the invincible crew

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Glad Netflix didn't get to cancel the show, they're VERY bad with numbers

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Netflix seems more interested in causing havoc than giving seasons to popular shows

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Still very confused on why they canceled Inside Job or even cut Bojack Horsemans last season but kept shit like Big Mouth

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                They do that for accounting taxes. They have lots of productions, so adult cartoons are the ones that are the easiest to cut since the have one of the smallest target demographics.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hell's Greatest Dad at 12m views
                Yeah I'm thinking based

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                The only upside with Amazon Prime is the fact that they're part of a company that deals in other things.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Going back and listening to old streams with the original cast is really sad to me. They should've been allowed to return.

  33. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would take responsibility in a heartbeat

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lute getting you pregnant

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the sex was so rough it left Adam bloodied and bruised

  34. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does Helluva Boss work better because it's low stakes?
    Dealing with Imps and a failson rather than the daughter of Lucifer, the first man Adam and the redemption of souls?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Does Helluva Boss work better because it's low stakes?
      no, Vivzie completely stopped caring about the actual company business stuff and it's just character exploration upon character exploration for literally whos
      she failed to keep the stakes low

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Does Helluva Boss work better
      No
      Helluva has two good episodes total, Hazbin is as good as it is because of A24

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Does Helluva Boss work better
      it dosen't work at all
      i'm actually surprised that hazbin turned out good

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        HB is basically a meme show.

  35. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm about to make a bingo card for these reader insert fics they're all the same shit and the porn is written badly when I do find it I hate tag trekking

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of fic are you looking for?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        At this point any good reader or OC porn with any of the boys but especially Alastor but I won't be picky with who since I can get off to almost anyone so long as they are in character

  36. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Yes"

  37. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What would Hell's version of onlyfans be called?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      OzzieFans

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lonelysins
      Holysins
      Onlysins
      Hornyfans
      Hornysins

  38. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Emily is higher ranked than Adam

  39. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the good guys lose at the end?

  40. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It would be funny to watch edgelords like Alastor get rekt by Beelzebub because she’s just a party bawd

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Let him job to an imp while we are at it. Can be Blitz, Moxxie, or even that servant imp that works under Stolas.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Realistically they all lose to Alastor. The normal angels couldn't break through his weird barrier even with blessed weapons and he held off Adam for a long time. He is clearly more powerful than IMP and Stolas.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think Stolas is still stronger than Alastor terms of utter raw power but he's a passive homosexual so he gets his ass beaten more often than it should happen.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think he is weaker in terms of combat potential but has a lot of strong powers that aren't necessarily related to combat. He can open portals without his book and has access to a lot of powerful spells related to his theme of studying the stars. But all that fancy shit won't stop a shadow tentacle from squeezing the life out of you

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It would be fun if "The Deadly Sins" and "The Overlords" were roughly the same level of power, representing the official/unofficial power of Hell and the classic sins/more modern sins

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        i dont get why sinners are ranked above hellborn, also, arent Imps and Hellhounds also Hellborn? why are they in their own bracket?

  41. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone made a list of plotholes?
    We can do it.
    Why didn't Vaggie know angelic weapons can hurt angels?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here's the list:

      It's fricking empty
      You kids don't know what a plot hole is. Every time I see people try to name some it's either just a contrivance and not a hole or it's literally just "I would have done this differently"

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >didn't answer the plothole

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          GUYS IT'S A PLOT HOLE IN THE THREAD

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Technically she does, since she lost her eye to one, but she might not have put two and two together because... ya know... she's Vaggie...

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Has anyone made a list of plotholes?
        We can do it.
        Why didn't Vaggie know angelic weapons can hurt angels?

        >Why didn't vaggie know angelic weapons hurt angels
        For all she knew saving the kid made her fall and become vulnerable
        That's not what a plot hole is
        A plot hole would be the angelic weapons working inconsistently

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why did angelic weapons hurt angels in the first place?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Drama, and special angel magic to make them super mega awesome and deadly that way they could kill sinners double dead and send them to double Hell

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Plot convenience.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Is Carmilla's whole business based around angels being moronic and leaving their weapons behind?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Carmilla's just a weapons dealer, she knows Angelic Metal can hurt angels but that's not her product. I don't know why I keep seeing people thinking everything she sells is angelic.

                She has a personal stash of angelic metal and infused her boots, besides that the only angelic metal weapons we see are the ones she makes for the Hotel

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is the Carmine rifle from HB, holy rope of Striker (which is stupid) and his guns that most likely are also Carmine. So yes. She does sell them.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Shit from another series unrelated to A24
                Doesn't exist.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It does. It's the same fricking Universe.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Also Lute and Adam don't know Angelic weapons can harm an angel... despite using them to maim Vaggie

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Lute and Adam don't know Angelic weapons can harm an angel
          It's vague, the most you can say for sure is they didn't know demons had used angelic weapons
          Even then, the same easy explanation applies: they thought the power was in being a angel not the metal

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nice of the angelic blacksmith not to tell them.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Communication doesn't seem to be a strong suit in heaven
              No one seemed to know what anyone else was up to in the meeting.

              It does. It's the same fricking Universe.

              >Vivzie said it was canon on a live stream!
              I don't give a shit, if it's not in the script it doesn't exist.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                hazbin is different in that its a fandom with a show, not a show with a fandom
                it's not like it's some new show that garnered a fanbase through its own merit, the actual show for hazbin came to be as a result of it's already prevalent fandom, it's more a way of giving fans more fuel for fan content and theories rather than it being a standalone piece of media

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Be that as it may I can only judge the A24 production on its own merits, I don't care about Vivzie or her streams

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                then you're only getting a small piece of the metaphorical puzzle, my friend

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not how writing works.
                If it's not in the script it doesn't exist. Shit Vivzie blabs about at random on a stream are not finalized ideas.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wait a few years after the show when they have their own council of Rome

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah their subconscious probably retained that info, but you gotta remember who's writing this and what their goal is: Drama
          Characters will learn and unlearn things depending on what the writer wants, especially if it'll create more *Drama*
          Here's another one for you to think about: why did Charlie make a deal with Alastor when last time she used her princess status to command him to help? In-universe it's because she doesn't like pulling rank and she was in an emotional state. Still a silly choice, but it creates ¡Drama!

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why did they make Pentious death a joke while all characters react crying and shocked?
            Comedy?
            Drama?
            I don't fricking know.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Why did they make Pentious death a joke while all characters react crying and shocked?
              >Comedy?
              >Drama?
              Yes and yes
              I snickered when he died instantly with all the hype, figured that type of death would be rewarded. However, the *characters* (and silly goobers) don't know he was redeemed. To them, his death was dramatic

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        >Why didn't vaggie know angelic weapons hurt angels
        For all she knew saving the kid made her fall and become vulnerable
        That's not what a plot hole is
        A plot hole would be the angelic weapons working inconsistently

        Also Lute and Adam don't know Angelic weapons can harm an angel... despite using them to maim Vaggie

        That can be explained easily with angels can hurt each other, but demons are powerless against them.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          It can be explained away a bunch of different ways
          I really really don't get why people are trying to read so hard into things or getting upset that the show is a shallow spectacle and not Breaking Bad but in hell. I expected sparkledog characters doing sitcom shit and musical numbers and that's exactly what I got.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because if angels didn't leave weapons behind none of this would've happened.
            Characters have to be moronic for plot to work.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              For the billionth time, that is called a contrivance not a plot hole.
              The angels and adam being morons seems pretty intentional to me

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Characters have to be moronic for plot to work.
                What's that?
                Not all the characters are Moriarty tier levels of planners?
                They're not Yu-Gi-Oh level trap card setters?
                They make mistakes and act emotional?
                Characters can only be as smart as the writer?
                This snappy animated musical isn't Lin-Manuel Miranda's "Hamilton" tier?
                "If the characters didn't do X none of this would've happened" meaning no literally story?
                I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story

                Nta but Vaggie being so moronic she couldn't figure out angel weapons can kill angels after being mutilated by one stands out

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                She probably thought only angels can hurt angels.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                homie we've been over this scroll up

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                This

                [...]
                >Why didn't vaggie know angelic weapons hurt angels
                For all she knew saving the kid made her fall and become vulnerable
                That's not what a plot hole is
                A plot hole would be the angelic weapons working inconsistently

                is a fat load of bullshit because it's not like she suddenly warped into her powerless
                state after sparing the kid, she literally just got teamganked.

                She probably thought only angels can hurt angels.

                And that doesn't make any sense because Adam didn't zap her, she was cut apart by an ANGEL SWORD

                Yes, Vaggie is moronic, we know this

                But honestly yeah, this is the only explanation.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that doesn't make sense because (meaningless distinction based on bad assumptions by you)
                uh huh

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Adam sure is popular with women for an alleged misogynist.

                >Clearly they're his harem-
                If they were he wouldn't be wasting time trying to pick up chicks in a boy band, evidently they just really like him.

                [...]
                How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction? There's no evidence to suggest angels have some kind of innate Smite Evil effect, exorcists sure as hell aren't immune to falling rubble

                Considering Vaggie spent her whole life training (probably violently) with other exorcists, she thought only angels could hurt other angels.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, Vaggie is moronic, we know this

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Adam sure is popular with women for an alleged misogynist.

                >Clearly they're his harem-
                If they were he wouldn't be wasting time trying to pick up chicks in a boy band, evidently they just really like him.

                >that doesn't make sense because (meaningless distinction based on bad assumptions by you)
                uh huh

                How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction? There's no evidence to suggest angels have some kind of innate Smite Evil effect, exorcists sure as hell aren't immune to falling rubble

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >How is Vaggie being cut apart by an ANGEL WEAPON and not angel powers a meaningless distinction
                because the difference could be the wielder
                >there's no evidence...
                for anything, it's completely vague and not elaborated on at all. You know why? Because it's completely fricking unimportant.

                Maybe Vaggie thought she had fallen and that made her vulnerable. Maybe she thought only a weapon wielded by an angel could hurt an angel. Maybe she's just a dumb c**t that didn't think about it. Two things are for sure:
                1 - it's not a goddamned plot hole
                2 - it doesn't fricking matter

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >extroverted high status guy is popular despite constant verbal sexism
                Art imitates life. Accidentally based Vivzie is my favourite aspect of the show.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                didn't Adam literally create the Exterminators himself

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah? so what?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                so why wouldn't he make them obsessed with his dick?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                They have free will or Vag wouldn't have turned out to be a filthy sinner lover and carpet muncher.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >filthy sinner lover and carpet muncher.
                Hot as frick, though

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                To think, half of these angels are getting their asses eaten by cannibals

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >cannibal teeth can harm angels
                Wtf?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The angels and adam being morons seems pretty intentional to me
                So you agree, all exterminations and Adam need to be moronic for the plot to work.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I agree that Adam and the Executioners are moronic, but I don't understand why you think that's a bad thing. I can only imagine you've heard a youtuber talk about bad mystery dramas like Sherlock and just thought "oh, characters acting dumb is always bad even if the character is purposely and explicitly dumb"

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Characters have to be moronic for plot to work.
              What's that?
              Not all the characters are Moriarty tier levels of planners?
              They're not Yu-Gi-Oh level trap card setters?
              They make mistakes and act emotional?
              Characters can only be as smart as the writer?
              This snappy animated musical isn't Lin-Manuel Miranda's "Hamilton" tier?
              "If the characters didn't do X none of this would've happened" meaning no literally story?
              I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
                It seems like all the discussion of this show is on that level. Absurd nitpicking, headcanons, extrapolations, and just focusing in as hard as possible on elements of the story that only exist to facilitate the music and sitcom stuff.

                It's "complaining that the mother isn't in How I Met Your Mother" levels of petty shit

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, I hate to break it to you, but because there's nothing much else to discuss. What do you want to see? In depth discussion of each sex joke's comedic timing? Robust analysis of babby's first musical number? HH is 80% style, 15% deep character lore from half a decade of hype, and maybe 5% substance on a good day.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >what do you want to see
                The show is all style with little substance, so talking about the style would be nice.
                Then again Cinemaphile has absolutely no vocabulary to talk about music or animation so I guess they literally CAN'T talk about the meat of the show.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                On the one hand, the style makes my eyes bleed. On the other hand, the substance isn't better.

                >NO JUST SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE CATCHY SONG-
                Cats (2019) isn't good just because it had songs in it, you know

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Half of the songs are unnecessary.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >half the songs are unnecessary
                The songs are literally the entire purpose of the show.
                If you're not there for the music you should probably just watch something else

                On the one hand, the style makes my eyes bleed. On the other hand, the substance isn't better.

                >NO JUST SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE CATCHY SONG-
                Cats (2019) isn't good just because it had songs in it, you know

                >Cats (2019) isn't good because it had songs in it
                Cats 2019 was bad because they RUINED the songs. The singing is dog shit and the tempo is fricked in every single song because the dipshit director let actors sing on-set without the orchestra track laid down and without a proper click track. Fricker ruined Les Mis, too.
                Cats 1999 is good because of the songs and dancing and if you disagree you can suck my balls.

                Only villain songs are any good. Otherwise the music is bland sappy Disney wannabe pop trash.
                So basically if Alastor or Adam are involved - good
                Anyone else - bad

                Only Charlie's songs are Disney-likes, everyone's got their own style. Lucifer is swing, Alastor is jazz, Adam is rock, etc.

                There's no accounting for taste but if you're not into musicals I have no idea why you'd watch this show to begin with

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I have no idea why you'd watch this show to begin with
                I like the Beetlejuice/early 2000s mallgoth cartoon aesthetics basically. Vivzie's stuff is the closest thing to that we have these days so I'm willing to put up with a lot of bullshit.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                the show wouldn't even be half as popular without the music

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                There seems to be a significant number of people that were expecting the show to be a deep, dark, broody melodrama. I can't for the life of me imagine why.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Only villain songs are any good. Otherwise the music is bland sappy Disney wannabe pop trash.
                So basically if Alastor or Adam are involved - good
                Anyone else - bad

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >so talking about the style would be nice
                Well if you want discussion of designs etc., there's like four years of that in the archives thanks to the slow drip production.
                >Cinemaphile has absolutely no vocabulary to talk about music or animation
                Alternatively, HH doesn't attract that calibre of poster for some baffling reason. Anyway, I encourage you to be the change you want to see.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Leaving your weapon behind every extermination is not "Moriarty tier levels of planning"

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I can't read
                fun!

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I bet you the kinda person who asks "who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?" thinking how that happens means anything - or adds value - to the story
                Those are not the same at all. The hotel is only able to defend itself and have the great grand battle--before Lucifer--because of this contrivance. It's an important plot point.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a contrivance!
                Yes. And?
                Jesus this is painful, it's like talking to an elementary schooler

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, you're a consoomer. Sorry, reddit might be more your place.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >who fills up the Batmobile's tires with air?
                Alfred does.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but some random debris gave Lute some bleeding cuts on her face.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      How exactly would exterminations do anything to stymie Hell's population, when there should be many billions of sinners there, and there's only a few dozen exorcists, each of whom only kill a couple hundred per year?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not what a plot hole is

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he won't tell us what a plot hole is

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          A plot hole is what your ass is gonna be after I rape you.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        they killed 18% of the population in one extermination, that's hardly a couple hundred

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >18% of Hell's population
          We don't know exactly how many people go to heaven as opposed to hell, but among the 109 BILLION people to have died let's say it's 50/50 and say 55 billion people are in Hell.

          18% of 55 Billion is almost 10 Billion. A YEAR.
          Only sixty million people DIE a year on average and they're most certainly not all going to Hell.

          I assumed they'd probably only exterminate as many people as enter Hell a year to keep it level but they're killing that hundreds of times over. In less than a decade there wouldn't be a soul left in Hell

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >109 billion people have died in the HH universe
            That's a pretty massive assumption there, pal-o.
            You wouldn't be trying to insert real-life statistics into this, would you?
            Because that would be stupid.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            its an extermination, its supposed to exterminate all souls in hell. The exorcists were extremely effective and efficient on their killing or something else, caused by the extermination caused even more souls to disappear. Still, 18% is a really big number, sinners and demons must be very fricking stupid ans stubborn to not do something about it and somehow manage to keep their society going. Covid had a far smaller mortality rate and caused panic worldwide, making many societies change in fundamental ways during it. Meanwhile the underworld was barely changed by the hellocaust

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Meanwhile the underworld was barely changed by the hellocaust
              This can be excused to some extent by the setting. IRL we have a bunch of centralized governments and supranational organizations that share information and homogenize policy. Hell has nothing but a king and queen who bailed, a princess with no social connections aside from a recently fallen angel, and a bunch of butthole gangsters busy protecting their own rackets.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >they killed 18% of the population in one extermination
          Should've killed more.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Angels can hurt other angels. What she didn't know is that Sinners with angelic weapons would count as angels/holy in the eyes of whatever conditional immunity protects angels.

  42. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 7 deadly sins are eldritch abominations that are thousands of years old. They don't really give a frick about proving themselves to random demons

  43. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait, why is Adam the bad guy? Wasn't Cain a real rebel?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      bold of you to assume cain exists in the vivzieverse

  44. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to wienerslap every moron that tries to bring up actual biblical canon
    It's just an aesthetic you spergs

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you think the show will address the Book of Revelation or the harrowing of Hell?
      Give it to me, daddy

  45. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How bad and careless writing and spreading your lore around on live streams and tweets (that you change your mind about) can and will divide a fanbase

  46. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why can Vaggie grow her wings back but not her eye?
    >angelic weapon
    Why can't Lute grow her arm back?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair even VAGGIE doesn't seem to know how her regeneration powers work, she literally just asspulled the wings after a song and dance number.

  47. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Post art of background characters you like.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know why I like this cannibal specifically.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        He looks like a less homosexualy Alastor so I can't blame you

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        This guy is that Sinner Child that Vaggie spared and now he is back to make Vaggie his bride and mating press her as soon as possible.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I like all the cannibal designs, look at these qts, if they offered me some forbidden long pork for dinner I wouldn’t say no.

  48. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So I just watched this show and a big problem I had with it is that it constantly felt like set up.
    We were continually getting these lorebait hints with Alastor and while he’s definitely a fun character so much of him is wrapped up in mysteries which won’t get resolved until later on. Most of the characters not at the hotel felt like they were there to be “season 2” characters who are going to play a role LATER ON instead of really being a part of the story season 1 was trying to tell. Biggest examples though were definitely Vox, Velvette, Sera, and Emily. Now I actually think Vox is a super fun character with an interestinh rivalry with Alastor and I really love the idea of Emily being an “angel Charlie” character who tries to fix Heaven in the same way that Charlie tries to fix Hell. But the problem is when you only have 8 episodes and you’re spending so much time setting up future shit, the story you’re trying to tell THIS season comes off half baked at best. Like, Adam was the villain of the season but it feels like there’s so much we don’t know about him (Though in his case I think he’ll probably get reincarnated as a sinner in a reverse of Pentious, but still)

    I think the only episode that managed to balance its runtime competently was episode 4 because it was actually ABOUT Angel instead of 5 different concepts competing for screentime.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The show simultaneously feels too rushed and too set up somehow. Someone said it before, but the entire angel plot feels like some sort of escalation introduced in S2-3 after the basic hurdles and successes of the hotel are established. Instead we jumped right into Disney's SMT with Sir Pent's therapy being mostly offscreened.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Apparently there was a 3 month time skip between episodes 4 and 5 (or 5 and 6). In the beginning of the episode Charlie's freaking out about the time that's passed and she has nothing to show for it.

  49. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What is going through Lute's head at the moment?

  50. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do NOT pay attention to OP pic, that's a completely headcanon scale

  51. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >but if it were ME I would have done this and this and...
    That's not what a plot hole is you dumb motherfricker
    >I'M JUST THINKING LOGICALLY
    No, you're nitpicking elements of the story that are purely functional and don't matter at all.
    Like why the Mother isn't in How I Met Your Mother.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >purely functional
      Oh I see, we're arguing that if the story is above criticism then it can't actually be criticised.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if the story is above criticism then it can't actually be criticised
        that's a tautology so that would have to be correct, but it seems like the message here is "you're nitpicking an element of the story that is unimportant and failing to do so on top of that"

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well considering that element of the story is the whole reason why Charlie is trying to raise an army to fend off Heaven, I wouldn't call it unimportant when it's this poorly explained and inconsistently depicted.

          Can anyone can explain why a b***h who apparently has killed thousands of sinners (many of whom were dangerous I'm sure, since hell is most likely not all tax evaders and shoplifters) doesn't seem to be able to win a fight? You'd think by that point she would evolve beyond just rushing into shit even with the invincibility.
          Yet she gets floored every single time. Even in the pilot it's implied that Alastor could easily beat her if he wanted to.

          The answers to everything about Vaggie seem to keep going back to "she's bad and everything and stupid" which just raises the question of why ADAM of all people thought she kicked ass as an angel.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why did Adam think she ruled
            because Adam sucks too, have you even watched this thing?
            I'm guessing no because, as has been pointed out, this is all just scaffolding for the sitcom and music.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Adam is unreliable narrator bro
              Yeah okay, we didn't meant to believe Vaggie was a powerful top exorcist, how silly of me.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Adam is an unreliable narrator
                I didn't say that at all, you keep making these wild logical leaps.
                Vaggie being a top exorcist or not isn't a problem even if her being stupid is a canon explanation (it's not)

                Also
                >we didn't meant
                ESL begone.

                A plot hole is what your ass is gonna be after I rape you.

                >he won't tell us what a plot hole is

                Once again for the slow children:
                A plot hole is when there is an explicit and irreparable inconsistency.
                Lets use JL:Doom as an example.

                >Darkseid just stands there and watches the League fight his minions instead of joining the fight, and if he had joined the fight he would have easily won.
                This is called a contrivance. There is no inconsistency, just suboptimal behavior for a person's goals that allows the story to continue. These typically don't even require explanations, as people are not flawless logical robots.

                >Darkseid's eye beams hit Green Arrow and he gets knocked down then gets right back up, but then the same eye beams hit Superman and he gets knocked out cold and barely survives
                This is a direct inconsistency, the same beam is doing two different things for no reason.

                Another form of plot hole would be continuity errors, like a character being in two places at once.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it doesn't matter that it only works because everyone's moronic: it's a sitcom
              First, it's at least a sitcom-drama unless you somehow managed to skip over all the super-cereal domestic abuse, daddy issues, relationship woes, etc., so this defense doesn't really work. Second, this is reminiscent of the
              >why do you care if unrealistic shit happens in a fantasy setting, it's not meant to be realistic
              defense of sloppy writing in fantasy settings. Internal consistency and plausibility is valuable regardless of genre. It's not like "whoops everyone is moronic" is clever humour in itself. The angel weapons thing is just not very intelligent writing being handwaved by all the characters expressing incredulity over how no one figured it out before.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it doesn't matter that the plot works because characters shown to be dumb are dumb
                Correct.
                >why do you care if unrealistic shit happens in a fantasy setting, it's not meant to be realistic
                What the frick are you even talking about, anon?
                This feels like you're having half a conversation with me and half with the demons in your head.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >making everyone conveniently stupid is fine as long as it's an established trait
                Nah. It's not plausible, and it's not funny either (a worse sin from a sitcom-writing perspective) since the "joke" is barely capitalized on in favour of cramming in more action sequences. Which is another clue that the show isn't much of a sitcom.
                >What the frick are you even talking about
                Reread the post more slowly. I'm likening your shit argument to another common form of shit argument that relies on genre as a crutch to defend against criticism of weak writing.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not plausible that these fictional characters aren't brilliant
                Stopped reading here because you've started with something completely moronic and I assume the second half of your post is you fighting with the demons in your head again.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >TL;DRing a one paragraph reply
                I accept your concession and I hope you do better next time.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no defense or response, just a thought-terminating cliche
                I accept your concession :^)
                Enjoy arguing with the voices in your head

  52. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hey if you think way too hard and make bad assumptions about this tertiary element then it doesn't make much sens-
    rule of cool, homosexual
    get out of my face

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hazbin Hotel
      >cool

  53. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can anyone can explain why a b***h who apparently has killed thousands of sinners (many of whom were dangerous I'm sure, since hell is most likely not all tax evaders and shoplifters) doesn't seem to be able to win a fight? You'd think by that point she would evolve beyond just rushing into shit even with the invincibility.
    Yet she gets floored every single time. Even in the pilot it's implied that Alastor could easily beat her if he wanted to.

  54. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are your honest thoughts on this relationship?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vile and blasphemous.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are the one to talk Lute

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vile and blasphemous

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I just want more baggie ryona

  55. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer and Adam are NOT on the same playing field. Lucifer was fricking around and Adam still couldn't even hit him, and then the moment Lucifer got even a little serious he pimp-slapped Adam away then beat the living shit out of him.

    Adam and Lilith were said to be equals in the intro, so I assume Adam is closer to Lilith. And all the angels are under Adam, but probably stronger than the other six sins

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And all the angels are under Adam, but probably stronger than the other six sins
      Adam is absolutely not implied to be above the Seraphim as these posters said:

      Emily is higher ranked than Adam

      >Adam and Lucifer on the same tier
      >Adam above seraphim like Emily
      Holy cope. Also I'm gonna say if Charlie knew how to properly fight she would be above Adam.

      He's above the other angels we've seen so far, though.
      He'd probably still batter Emily like a training dummy, but that's because she is even less battle-prepared than Charlie and has no experience. Sera likely wipes the floor with Adam just the same as Lucy did.

  56. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate you to the point that it may effect Earth's magnetism.

  57. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/106599943

  58. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Name a character you hate
    Hard mode: besides Vaggie

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Adam. I'm only posting this image because its untagged and that one Adam femanon might want to see it.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I almost decided to skip over this thread, I’m glad I didn’t. Bless you anon kek

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      niffty is annoying

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I guess I hated Alastor at first, but started to grow on me slowly so I'll go with the Vees. They're just annoying.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        imagine hating this face

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe if I didn't have to hear her cringy rapping. Easily the worst song.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The more obnoxious characters like Velvette (jesus christ british rap is the worst) don't really have enough time to be properly hated.

            maybe I'm not down with the street but she wasn't rapping

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              lol yeah that wasn't rap

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                maybe I'm not down with the street but she wasn't rapping

                Rap doesn't have to be atonal.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                she's very clearly singing

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                ...rap does not have to be atonal

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                well then what the frick is rapping or singing even supposed to be if singing can also be rapping

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                They're not mutually exclusive terms
                You can sing a rap
                At this point it's just a pretty vague genre descriptor

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vox is cool.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Emily, unironically

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Carmella. I don't like her singing.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hated Adam at first then he grew on me unlike Carmella. Mimzy was too forgettable to hate on

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The more obnoxious characters like Velvette (jesus christ british rap is the worst) don't really have enough time to be properly hated.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would have said Angel Dust several weeks ago but I can tolerate him now that they gave him some nuance and he's no longer a walking sex jokes trope and hitting on everything that owns a dick.

      Now? It's probably Velvette, I don't hate her but I can't stand her smugness.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymouse

      Carmella
      I thought she was a big bat at first and she had two huge bat ears, then realized it was just her stupid hair.
      Hope she dies.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        She's cute with her hair down though.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymouse

          She's just a bland human though, she doesn't have anything weird about her like the sinners are supposed too.
          Husk hate cats cats, gets turned into cat.
          Angels a homosexual, become a spider...idk why vague reasoning on vivs part.
          what's her deal, all she has wrong with her is red eyes and maybe a little mask on her face?
          weak character design.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            how did you miss her fricking gigantic hands

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymouse

              She has giant hands that are reminiscent of a swans wings, because she was a ballet dancer in life.

              Still pretty weak.
              She has a meeting with a guy who is an eldritch horror nightmare monster and a woman who got turned into a fricking dinosaur, and this b***h just got...slightly larger hands???
              Is she a troony, are they "man-hands" is that why they haunt her so much? maybe "her daughters" real bio mother is heaven. Would actually make sense in the viv world.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            She has giant hands that are reminiscent of a swans wings, because she was a ballet dancer in life.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              i wonder if she hated it because otherwise how is her look a punishment

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                she probably had body dysmorphia of some kind and thought her hands were huge and ugly

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >how is her look a punishment

                It probably isn't unless she was really assblasted at being typecast as Odile instead of Odette or something. But the furry forms aren't punishments. AD's sister shows up in the background in heaven and she's a spider too.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Niffty, because she’s more schizophrenic than her pilot self. That and she killed my favorite character when he was on 1HP

  59. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  60. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get why people like Rosie so much

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      they do?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I see tons of fanart of her

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      She's cool af, looks kinda like a skullgirls character

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love freaky/unhinged women, even more so if they look classy. Also, do any of the Alastorgays here like Rosie as well? What do you think about her?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      nice design and she's sweet

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Her design and demeanor are distinct from other females and overlords at least. Personally, I think she looks like a background character. I appreciate they were trying for a vintage animation aesthetic, but the dead black eyes make her soulless in motion, and not in a creepy or cool way. I was also a bit annoyed with her serving as Charlie's relationship guru out of fricking nowhere instead of using the split as an opportunity to develop Charlie's friendship with another main cast member. The show keeps telling me all the residents of the hotel have strong bonds but I don't see it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymouse

      I don't get why she thought revealing that her girlfriend was an extermination angel too her was a good idea. I doubt vaggie would want that info spread around hell, least of all too the fricking queen of the cannibals, angels aren't exactly popular in hell afterall.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >treating an overlord she just met as a personal therapist just because she seems motherly
        In another show, Charlie would face consequences for this. Rosie selling that information and someone coming after Vaggie for revenge would be a decent twist.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah anon the plot is 100% resolved and there will never be any future developments on season 1 plot points. The favor she owes Alastor? Irrelevant, he didn't even bring it up! Heaven finding out about the exterminations? Might as well not have happened, Adam doesn't even talk about it! Lute approaching Lilith? I don't even consider than scene to be canon since it wasn't addressed afterwards.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lute approaches Lilith because she now has custody over redeemed sinners.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Doesn't matter, the scene doesn't exist because it establishes a plot thread that is not immediately resolved

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The favor she owes Alastor?
            >Heaven finding out about the exterminations?
            >Lute approaching Lilith?
            All of those hooks were about as subtle as a brick to the face whereas so far there's no hint that Rosie isn't what she seems on the surface beyond 'lol cannibal tho'. Treating her like a surrogate mother was a just a way to blast through Charlie's drama in one episode so she and Vag could be reunited for the finale. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              You forgot about this hook.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                this isn't a hook so much as it's a theory/cope. if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                No. Adam is not faking it, the hook about his return since his death was very different from the other exorcist.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                sorry
                Adam is not faking it, the hook is about his future return, since his death was very different from the other exorcist (who lose their halos on their own, when Adam’s was still there.)

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.
                He would be in a critical state, acting is irrelevant
                And his body was taken off screen

                Theory
                Red sclera=owns a soul
                black sclera = you don't own your soul(not necessarily that someone owns it)
                Neither = not part of the soul economy

                What this would mean:
                Obvious one: Angel only owns part of his soul, renting it out to valentino when he works.
                Alastor can hide the fact that he's owned until he has to release his power, his sclera turn black when he threatens husk.
                Every cannibal sold their soul to rosie, who in turn has given her own soul to someone else, or they all sold their soul to the same being
                Sir Pentious owns all the souls of the egg bois, and gave them up automatically when he ascended to heaven

                Arguments against this theory
                Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade(though i think this only weakens my theory because IDK how one would become an overlord without the influence of the souls or angelic power.), or they like to hide their power levels like Alastor.
                Charlie and Lucifer technically own all the souls in hell? Also weakens the theory, but their eyes turn red during their transformations.

                >Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade
                To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another
                Yeah thats why I said my theory is kind of weak. If they own souls and their eyes are yellow(not black or red) then I'm way off the mark.

  61. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Adam and Lucifer on the same tier
    >Adam above seraphim like Emily
    Holy cope. Also I'm gonna say if Charlie knew how to properly fight she would be above Adam.

  62. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  63. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Made for Mammon

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymouse

        I could see her desperately husband shopping, trying to replace her beard to maintain her lifestyle.
        I love her, I hate Stolas so much it's unreal

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't like Blitzo or Stolas, they're a match made in hell. I think it's because they're both awful people that the narrative treats as sympathetic for some reason.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I think it's because they're both awful people that the narrative treats as sympathetic for some reason.
            I'm afraid Lucifer is going to turn into this too. He's supposed to be all sad and lonely but it seems like he could have fixed that anytime by manning up as a dad instead of playing with duckies in his basement. And when he's not sad, he's abrasive and wienery bore.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              You gotta think about what the duckies represent since he created Hell And rebelled against Heaven.

  64. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I believe Israel calls their exterminations "mowing the lawn."

  65. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    At some point, your outside forces will withdraw. And you will be left on this planet with me.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are a cheap imitation of humanity and I get better at seeing it every day.

      Don't tempt me anon

  66. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So since Val tends to abuse Vox, does he also abuse Velvette?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymouse

      No, she is black and a woman. That would be a racial hate crime, black lives matter in hell man....that's why they are in hell afterall

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vox and Val are a couple and Valentino is a domestic abuser
      Velvette is his gal pal so he won't touch her though he won't hesitate to kill her models

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So since Val tends to abuse Vox
      not canon anymore.
      In the show it seems like Vox is the one on the brink of blasting a moth with lightning somtimes

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not canon anymore but Val abusing everyone is always canon to me

  67. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >this
    >twitter accusing viv for being pro Isreal due to her going to McDonalds
    It sure is

  68. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are a cheap imitation of humanity and I get better at seeing it every day.

  69. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Israel does genocide for fun
    >but also Palestinians are demons
    hrm

  70. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The more I think about this show the dumber the whole thing is honestly.
    >No one ever thought the use the angels weapons against them which happened to be the very thing that can kill them, even Hell spawn can use holy weapons (bullshit)
    >How Lucifer could've just mogged Adam any time he wanted to. Makes you think how long he just sat and watched Hell spawn getting gotted
    >How Adam so casually and effortlessly merked Sir Pentious and didn't think to do that to anyone else
    >How the only real portfolio the Hotel has of someone getting redeemed and going to Heaven essentially offed himself to do it.
    >Despite the fact the Hotel was made to give sinners a chance of redemption to go the heaven almost everyone in Hell seems happy and content with their lot, all of them singing songs and what not.
    >Despite Hells issue being overpopulation no where did it seem like it was a major issue. Just a normal ass city.
    I don't get it. Is everyone that genuinley enjoys this an honest to God moron, or do you literally have to shut off your brain and intellect to watch this and come out """"enjoying"""" it?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm here for the music and the cute girls

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You have brain rot.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't need every show to be deep lore superdrama to enjoy it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >IT'S BEEN SIX SEASONS WHY IS THIS SHOW CALLED HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER WHERE'S THE MOTHER THEY'RE JUST DRINKING IN A BAR

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off to Cinemaphile already.

  71. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do Angel's feet work?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I saw fanart that depicted them as pseudo-paws with stingers at the ends of them and it disturbed me.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen people make them hooves

  72. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >People ITT unironically hating the big and flexible milf latina
    Since when is Cinemaphile filled with gays?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like her but her voice sucks. I have a similar issue with Vaggie.
      >Carmine
      Hot, MILF, decent personality, bad voice AND bad singing
      >Vaggie
      Hot, kind of boring, bad voice but decent singing

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        kids today, I swear

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >bad singing
        in what?
        The only person in the entire production that has egregiously bad singing/melodyning is Husk.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Would you prefer if I said I don't like her singing voice?

          I almost decided to skip over this thread, I’m glad I didn’t. Bless you anon kek

          No problem dude.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Valid criticism and yeah, I do agree that Carmine's voice is unfit for her (she sounds like a grandma) and the show shouldn't have devoted two musical acts to her when her singing is okay at best.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          it makes sense when you account for how hard Viv pushes her Latina identity and how she's a 90s theatre kid

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why does she and people like her care about "identity" so much?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              a cynic would say it's all marketing
              an optimist would say she was raised at least partially in that culture and feels a connection to it, and through it her family and ancestors
              a rightoid would say she's racist
              a leftist would say American culture is a nightmarish hellscape and people are desperate for a connection to any culture that isn't that

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Me? I just hate Israel.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sauce? Pilot Carmilla is just better.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            She's more graceful, deadly and more intimidating in her Pilot Design then in her ugly design now

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Built for Zestial

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think the old man hit that?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            If not fully smashed, they have at least kissed.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're surprised the HH fanbase is gays and gay hags?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Her design and personality are top tier but both her songs were a chore to listen to and I don't care for her VA's speaking voice either.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      she's pure sexo

      Valid criticism and yeah, I do agree that Carmine's voice is unfit for her (she sounds like a grandma) and the show shouldn't have devoted two musical acts to her when her singing is okay at best.

      >she sounds like a grandma
      that makes it hotter.

  73. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't Lucifer make hell bigger with magic or build taller buildings with magic?

  74. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    *teaches your deer how to poledance*

  75. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  76. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What if Charlie had a brother?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and what if his name was Melvin?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        brother of the joker?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Melvin, Melvin, the brother of our Charlie.

  77. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  78. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Theory
    Red sclera=owns a soul
    black sclera = you don't own your soul(not necessarily that someone owns it)
    Neither = not part of the soul economy

    What this would mean:
    Obvious one: Angel only owns part of his soul, renting it out to valentino when he works.
    Alastor can hide the fact that he's owned until he has to release his power, his sclera turn black when he threatens husk.
    Every cannibal sold their soul to rosie, who in turn has given her own soul to someone else, or they all sold their soul to the same being
    Sir Pentious owns all the souls of the egg bois, and gave them up automatically when he ascended to heaven

    Arguments against this theory
    Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade(though i think this only weakens my theory because IDK how one would become an overlord without the influence of the souls or angelic power.), or they like to hide their power levels like Alastor.
    Charlie and Lucifer technically own all the souls in hell? Also weakens the theory, but their eyes turn red during their transformations.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if adam was faking it lute wouldn't have left his body behind.
      He would be in a critical state, acting is irrelevant
      And his body was taken off screen
      [...]
      >Zestial and Godzilla girl became overlords without dealing in the soul trade
      To be an overlord you gotta have souls under your command in some way or another

      So, is sera secretly evil or something?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        her soul belongs to God played by Olga Merediz, OBVIOUSLY

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh… So Sera is owned by Roo of all things? So that’s the “god” Viv’s draft was talking about.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>
      Honestly a cool idea. But as you mentioned, the exceptions sink the theory. There's this design from the pilot, and series Zestial could have another set of hidden eyes since he's spider themed. But there's no explanation for the scalie unless she's just some overlord's representative.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Whoops, wrong image.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >But there's no explanation for the scalie unless she's just some overlord's representative.
        Maybe what I think is her mascara is actually representative of her owning part of her soul like Angel and can transform to show more red eyes. That is bordering on schizo territory though

  79. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    why are all Viv's best characters the ones she tries to make totally unsympathetic

    Stolas is such a pathetic gay

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      TOTAL STOLAS DEATH

  80. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are good fanfics of beaten/abused/injured Charlie?

  81. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  82. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Angels are fricking jobbers

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly not suprised, but still incredibly dissapointing, guess all demons were all a bunch of morons that never thought even ONCE about ever fighting back while using their own weapons against them

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        the entire premise of the show is that demons have accepted their fate and have little desire to change it. Exterminations are just part of that.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Stop trying to overthink what is a clear plot hole, there absolutely NO WAY that there wasn't a bunch of demons brave/crazy enough that tried to fight back the second they got a hold of that angelic stuff

  83. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Genderbend

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Lute is exactly the same

  84. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  85. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not
      >”sweet! Now tell them to kys!”

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"sweet! Now send federal agents to their address!"

  86. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine this Charlie forcing herself on you.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Save me Jesus! Now! Please! Now! Please!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can probably take her on.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Anon was found split in half

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        In a fight, right?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      But I'm not a black beat-boxing youtuber.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sad Vaggie in the background because Charlie never does that to her.

  87. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meet the newest member of the Vees. VEG.
    >owns the most popular weed brand Demon Dank
    >basically runs all the dispensaries in Pentagram City
    >hands are giant pot leafs
    >all his songs are stoner metal and plays bass but only knows like 3 chords
    >has connections to the deadly sin Sloth
    >died in the 1990s
    >original character do not steal

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, who was he on Earth?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        a frat boy. he died after taking a massive bong toke and passing out and hitting his head. nice GET btw.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, and he was sent to Hell? Not cool.
          Is he gay?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      ATHF looking mfer

  88. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The tumblr queer stuff is obnoxious but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy Viv's art style. It's refreshing to see someone with a unique style actually have it be animated, and she draws hot women despite being woke

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This(kind of) I wished her colors were more diverse

  89. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can honestly say I love each and every one of the songs in the show, there are no actual bad ones.
    I also kind of wonder if they will ever do another version of Inside Of Every Demon Is A Rainbow with the new VA.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the reprise of Hell Is Forever with the orchestra made me cum

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the reprise of Hell Is Forever with the orchestra made me cum

      Same. That reprise and the back-and-forth masterpiece that is More Than Anything made me understand why Viv became a musical theater dweeb.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        every time a new character showed up was like this for Broadway nerds, she really pandered to the niche

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm really glad to see that. Even if some of the stuff might've flew over my head I love when passion projects for nerds by nerds win over slop that's optimized for the widest audience possible.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have a friend who watched solely because of the broadway voices, I guess switching the VAs was good for business

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's 90% of the reason I watched, I was only vaguely aware of Viv/Helluva Boss through Cinemaphile osmosis

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >switching the VAs was good for business
            What's the size of the "musical theater fangirls who recognize multiple industry figures" market? Any added watchers are worthwhile of course, but not being into Broadway I would have assumed that's a very niche demographic.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I mean my friend is a dude who isn't even into cartoons that much, so I assume broadway names can exert a lot of pull for their fans.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sure they aren't as big as blockbuster movie stars, but Broadway still is Broadway.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's less about the size and more about having a ready-made core fanbase with a corner of Tiktok/Instagram already carved out, which can then spread the word to less hardcore fans. Plus she also wrote music that appeals to Broadway fans and works well in short Tiktok bites.

              also this is just my schizo Pepe Silvia posting but Viv got extremely lucky with the timing around Mean Girls, there's a bunch of comparisons of Erika Henningson's Broadway performance and the movie going around, and suddenly she has another toe in the door

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ah. That makes more sense. Dedication>raw numbers.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have a friend who watched solely because of the broadway voices, I guess switching the VAs was good for business

          I'm really glad to see that. Even if some of the stuff might've flew over my head I love when passion projects for nerds by nerds win over slop that's optimized for the widest audience possible.

          Centaurworld was the same way
          We need more Broadway cartoons

  90. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pilot-Adam and Pilot-Lute

  91. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      mmm yes don't mind if I do

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nifty, no!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gremlin lute
      >Will try to scratch and bite you
      >Will cut and stab those you cause you harm
      >Will always look cute doing it

      Gremlin Adam
      >Everyday will cause a nuisance
      >Everyday will be fun
      >Might attract other unknown gremlins

      Nifty, no!

      NIFTY, YES!

  92. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Chaggie is the main couple of the series
    >instead everyone loves the whole Adam/Lute pairing
    Based.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >instead everyone loves the whole Adam/Lute pairing
      I don't

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        REPENT RIGHT NOW

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Never

          Does anyone think there will be a sudden switch-a-roo with Lucifer being the true villain in season 2.

          No

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Straights stay winning.

  93. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone think there will be a sudden switch-a-roo with Lucifer being the true villain in season 2.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, but there could be Lucifer/Lilith domestic argument/violence kino.

  94. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      wow this is making me ship rosie/alastor

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Couldn't think of a more doomed ship besides Charalastor

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          well of course but sometimes that's the fun

  95. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      taking vaggie home and introducing her to my vibrator collection

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a version with Angel Dust?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      is there an empty version of this?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >empty version
        Someone should make a version with a mirror reflecting a demon-ified green anon with a glass of wine.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          the idea of being stood up while waiting for a date at Ozzie's is just prime story material, but its also a fantastic template

  96. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I swear I'm straight, but Luccy does something to me.

  97. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    She will free him.

  98. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  99. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    i've grown used to/accepted everyone being twinks but sometimes i see redesigns i enjoy

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      this person did charlie and vox too but i didn't really care for them

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hah Viv would never make a character look that black

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sera.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno, she's kinda too otherworldly looking to me

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          And that's a good thing

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's funny how she straight up can't draw a black person

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's funny how she straight up can't draw a black person

          Well...

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            tbf we don't know if she designed those characters. i don't think viv would ever say no to black characters, i'm saying she struggles with drawing them.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            That was probably one of the character designers, because Viv stated herself she struggles with muscular figures

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Every "Black Alastor" design I see just looks like a rip-off of Dr. Facilier.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, Alastor IS a rip-off of Dr.Facilier.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Never watched the Princess and the Frog. Are there commonalities aside from "witch doctor does devil's deals"? That's not exactly a rare concept. The radio motif? Cannibalism?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Voodoo witch doctor dealmaker, yeah.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          seconding that alastor is already a facilier rip-off but that design takes more inspiration from cab calloway

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like a Lackadaisy escapee who got into henna dye. But oddly fitting for a depressed alcoholic voiced by a crusty grandpa. I'd like to see more de-coomified versions of the main cast members. Not deliberately ugly a la tumblr redraws, but just closer their backstory/age before death and with a little more variety of type.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      oh no he’s hot

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Husky Husk

  100. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to hold Adam’s hand while he look at me disgustingly.

  101. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  102. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  103. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    how would the smiling friends fare in Hazbin/Helluva Boss

  104. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Adamsister rubbed off on me so hard I just had a dream with him
    Anons why are we shuffling husbandos in our dreams

  105. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How would (You) fare in viv hell?

  106. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Viv should have it so Holy Angels and Winners run under Digital Circus cursing rules. That it’s impossible for them to swear.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the show is already borrowing heavily from The Good Place, having the swearing rules would make it too obvious

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Good Place
        I have seen several people talk about this, but what it is exactly borrowing from it?
        The Good Place is about all 'hell is other sinners', which kinda is a thing in Hazbin but not the main theme? Also, it's not that Sinners are horrible people in the main cast of the Good Place, they just don't want to be tortured in Hell.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          the main plot after the big twist reveal in Season 1 is essentially the main cast in the Bad Place learning to be better people with the end goal of earning their way to the Good Place after death

  107. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hope with how much this show has exploded in popularity Amazon puts out some more merch for it, the stuff Viv put out before is kind of lacklustre.
    Like an official Alastor plushie would fund an entire season with its sales, not to mention the other characters.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Could they please Digital Circus’d Lute, Adam, and other residence in Heaven. At least do that much for them?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've been consistently baffled by the lack of Hazbin and Helluva merch
      Vivzie could be a billionaire by now if she just let Spencer's Gifts sell a bunch of printed shit

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've been consistently baffled by the lack of Hazbin and Helluva merch
      Vivzie could be a billionaire by now if she just let Spencer's Gifts sell a bunch of printed shit

      HB gets new merch nearly every holiday/season but it's things like pins, charms, easy to manufacture stuff like that. HH had more steady merch but I think it slowed down a few years ago which makes sense since Viv doesn't own it anymore.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        She still owns pilot designs AFAIK, plus she'd have to be dumb to not negotiate something with as much leverage as she has

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd be shocked if she didn't negotiate a percentage of merch sales, everyone on the planet must know that's how George Lucas got rich off Star Wars by now

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        She should have signed up with the company that makes the merch for the other independent animators like Glitch, I’ve bought their Murder Drone plushies and they are really good quality.

  108. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like both designs.

  109. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this show so dumb?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      BROADWAY BABY

  110. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since the jannies here aren't allowing for a general, leaving us in a constant state of half a dozen slow threads at the same time I made a HH/HB general we can use, come check it out! Address is in the picture related

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      No

  111. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    voxval sex

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      voxval sex with (You)

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I want this so fricking badly I've been working on a piece like that but I decided to redo a bunch of stuff maybe I'll finish it tonight though
        >being their little pet/girlfriend
        The life...

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