>Lets just make the angels the exact same as the Devils with he swearing and the cursing and the being a bad person outward
Why did they frick this up? They already did this concept right the first time?
Hazbin Hotel
>Lets just make the angels the exact same as the Devils with he swearing and the cursing and the being a bad person outward
Why did they frick this up? They already did this concept right the first time?
>He's never seen biblically accurate angels
I heard a biblically accurate angel and it said FRICK
>Reddit biblically accurate angels
That's only the ones from Ezekiel and they likely didn't even talk. They were just wheels and shit for Gods chariot.
Based! Im so tired of the biblically accurate cringe.
biblically accurate angels
true
Also the average person in the Bible is afraid of angels not because they look terrifying but because actually witnessing God, heaven, angels, etc. is an extraordinary privilege and they are filled with profound awe and reverence. The same also occurs in the New Testament at times with Jesus. The whole fear thing is about the fear of God and holiness, not fear from the physical appearance of angels, it has nothing to do with whether an angel appears as a man or eldritch abomination in the first place. But everyone online just sees spooky angel+people are afraid and comes to the same incorrect conclusion about what's going on.
Are you forgetting the Cherubim?
The ones in Sodom and Gomorrah were so hot that every citizen wanted a piece of that.
They were virgins which was a fetish at the time. Also lotta gays are rife with disease so a fully intact dick and hole probably put you at 8/10 at least back then
>le biblically accurate angels meme
please actually read the fricking Bible
biblically accurate angels are a meme
there's multiple types of angels, and the typical angels that are just humans with a halo do appear in the bible
But there is a biblically accurate angel in the trailer.
Please point to the Bible passage where there are angels that look like Erotes. There is none. They're either ordinary looking people (usually in the early books) or abominations (usually in the later ones).
do you guys think that if Vivzie were ever to make a biblically accurate angel, it'd be full of balls and dicks instead of eyes
No doubt
It's a misconception that Ophanim are angels. They are not. They're the wheels to God's chariot. And are never referred to as angels.
No. They are angels and Gods sends them to insane people.
We did though
Well, few people have because few people read Hebrew. The 4 faced monstrous beings that have a thousand eyes are not the cherubim of the tanakh. They're conclusions based on the English translation of Hebrew grammar.
The actual translation is that there were 4 individual beings, each with one singular face. Each being was at one of the 4 corners of the throne, carrying it as was done with the parade thrones of ancient kings.
Damn, how do I get calfs like that? Is it acheivable natty?
>How come the angels act just like the devils
>BECAUSE WHEEL WITH EYES
nonsensitive response
Frick frickity frick frick I need sex and dicks and fricking frick.
Thank God Brandon Rogers isn;'t involved in writing this project. The more he has gotten into writing for HB the shittier it has become.
Its not that bad.
Although, I would like it if they dialed back the swearing.
Mf the best Episodes were written by him even his skit Blitzo vs Grandpa made me laugh mora than the show ever did If you wanna talk about bad writting look ar Vivzie her writting has not evolved since zoophobia
Blitzo vs Grandpa is probably the only helluva boss/hazbin hotel thing I have ever actually laughed at.
HELLO, OLD!
If Brandon had full creative control Helluva would be a lot more entertaining
wasn't Brandon the cowriter for the HB pilot? because i'm starting to think the reason why the pilot was funny was because he helped with the writing
Viv and Brandon generally can write well, or at least decently, Adam is assumed to be less effective of a writer. Some of the least liked episodes, or those that are seen as remakes of older ones, of S2 so far were written by Adam (Seeing Stars, Exes and Oohs, Unhappy Campers).
Its hard to tell where the responsibility falls for the better writing though I am going to assume its a combination of Viv and Brandon.
Good characters are boring and so are twist characters swearing is the true comedy
I am so sorry in advance to all the fans who will flock here from TwiXer when the first half of the season isn't what they thought it would be.
imagine being one of the people who spent money on it and gets something they didn't ask for
lmoa
The episodes that follow the original premise get the lowest scores.
Camp was really shitty. Finally brought back assassination and it turns out to be shit. My pet peeve of the 2nd other than Stolas, is ignoring Pride ring sinners and killing humans for many episodes. And the Hollywood episode sucks too.
the answer is simple anons
the primary audience for this show is tumblr girls who want to see gay demons making out, like it or not
TIL I'm a tumblr girl
Could it be because they barely focus on hits at all? We really only had like, two episodes actually focus on hits. Unhappy Campers doesn't count as that was just MORE relationship drama crap.
Holy shit, you're doing statitians proud with that kind of rat fricking of data.
>Doesn't mention truthseekers, an episode that's only able to come out due to ramifications of the original premise
>Forgets the part of Unhappy Campers where it was 90% cringe feeling shit with poor writing.
Truthseekers doesn't have a client and a target, Unhappy Campers does.
Truthseekers takes place immediately after they performed a hit, and is therefore directly tied to the premise of Imps going topside to kill humans.
Unhappy Campers does have a client, but people who dislike it ultimately do because it focuses on some made up melodrama that only exists to be there in that specific episode, not because it's about them killing someone.
Teacher
>Moxxie moral dilemma focus
Beach
>sinners lining up for hits was just a throwaway gag you would expect in the middle of the season, not the third goddamn episode
>people being killed were just props for whatever whacky hijinks were going on between IMP, Verosika and Loona
Cherub
>broke down to focus on M&M in the big fight
Camp
>M&M and Blitzo drama
Every episode that actually used the premise setup in the pilot was playing second fiddle to some kind of relationship drama or lewd fun times. What a shocker that they saw such poor numbers and everyone has all but thrown their hands up and embraced whatever arrested teen fanfiction Vivzie has been pumping out this season.
Worst use of trendlines I've ever seen, F-
Where are you getting these ratings and scores? I am so confused.
Episode 7 and 8 views indicate that it lost its appeal.
I'm not trying to say that popular = good, but what I am saying is that with a 10M drop between ep 6 and 7, there is a sizable audience that did not like the direction of making blitz/stolas family problems the main point of the show, whereas the main premise of killing sinners was liked and wanted.
I dropped HB after S2E2. It's clear that instead of a plot with things, it's a soap operate.
HB being the way it is now made me realize that Stolas was only toleratable in small doses, I fricking hate all his shitty drama with family and Blitzo.
Much more noticeable is the dropoff from episode 7 to episode 8. Yes the latter came out much later but its been long enough now for the numbers to have settled and the dropoff seems to have been 15 million. That is a big chunk. Similarly, there was a big dropoff between episodes 3 and 4 while there wasnt for episodes 2 and 3 or 4, 5 and 6. And season 2 has been consistently been bleeding viewers.
I think people just bailed when they saw that the show was not going to be anything other than skin deep edgy tumblr OCs.
I could excuse all the awful telenovela tier writing for the characters if the 7 deadly sins weren't so lame in the show, Asmodeus started out cool and ended up being just Fizz's emotional support demon lord, furry Kesha was also a dud, Mammon was the only one that does what you'd expect the embodiment of a sin to do so he's ok. I have no hope for Lucifer after those leaks a while back, the best thing that could happen with him is possible Angel lore and his connection to Michael and other Archangels.
Yeah, Asmodeus got ultra butchered the last few episodes. Has there been an actual explanation why Furry Kesha is a wolf and doesnt have a unique menacing design? Asmodeus really peaked as big demon design, dude has three faces, a fiery head and a ton of cool design features. Beelzebub is just yellow Loona and Mammon just looks like a fat jester convict. Why didnt Vivzie just go all in with a spider design?
Furry Kesha probably has one of the worst designs for any demon so far. She's literally just a hellhound with a lava lamp and ugly colors, her design feels extremely busy without any real balance unlike Asmodeus that's also busy but actually looks coherent. Mammon is fine, at the very least he isn't overdesigned and his colors are fitting. I agree that he should've had more spider features.
>Has there been an actual explanation why Furry Kesha is a wolf and doesnt have a unique menacing design?
It's supposed to be a reference to the music video animation that basically kickstarted Vivzie's career, but why she went with Bee for that reference, I have no idea. I assume it didn't start that way but once she got the idea in her head she couldn't get it out. Kesha was probably one of Bee's earliest inspirations because she was known for singing about over-indulgence and stuff like that in her early career.
Great, botched plot and boring design for meta reference. At least the furry coomers got another fappable design, happy for them.
>fappable
Is furry Kesha even popular? She's basically a worse looking Loona, even the background hellhound girls are prettier then her.
I’m guessing Kesha didn’t want to align her brand with something spooky and malicious looking.
Would also explain why she isn’t as evil as you’d expect the avatar of gluttony and alcoholism to be.
Might also be that Vivzie just really, really likes drawing wolf anthro characters with skinny proportions.
>introduce demon king of lust who derides all loving relationships as naive and laughable
>his literal next appearance portrays him as a perfect and emotionally available boyfriend to fizz
i cannot get over how fricking boring this show turned out to be.
Its easily because they are the designated healthy gay representation couple of the show and so, must be faultless in that regard. I assume Vivzie thinks they are the positive contrast to the Stolas/Blitzo negative, even though the latter got heavily sanitized already and also both relationships are functionally the same with powerful outwardly yet inwardly soft overlord and sexually forward, kinky lesser demon with a emotional baggage.
Also, did we really need a role model pair for what is supposed to be a subplot in the show? Although, I guess the Stolas/Blitzo drama is the main plotline of the show now.
Honestly wouldn't mind of Oz decided to just be monogamous for a bit (especially since he's going to outlive Fizz) but yeah I'm so disappointed by the 'uwu soft domestic gays, plz don't touch my limbless chihuahua of a boyfriend' dynamic.
> he's going to outlive Fizz
Do demons die in hell and just dissapear? What the frick is the point of hell then?
We don't know what happens to hell-born when they die. Demons and sinners can only be killed by angelic weapons which destroys their souls completely.
They just re-spawn elsewhere in Hell when their consciousness gains enough coherence. Takes a while since they need to accumulate ambient infernal energy.
Only Sinners are pretty much inmortal to aging, Cherri Bomb died in the 80s and she still physically in her 20s, only way for them to really die is via angelic weapons, Hellborn can be killed by regular means it seems
I frickin hate this picture like you wouldn't believe
What? would you want the original instead?
No, I hate them both.
>No word on whether its meant as a social heirarchy or power hierarchy
>Hellhounds, a race modeled after one of the sins, below other hellborn
>No indication on whether Ars Goetia is the only noble hellborn family or if there are multiple
>Seven Deadly Sins when Lucifer isn't there
That last one is admittedly just nitpicking, but I just think the entire layering is fricking stupid.
Personally, I hate the updated image. The original reminds me of a time when I still had hope for the show's world-building.
Now the new one is cluttered with a fricking Bee-Fox kesha monstrosity, a fat clown, and the Sin of Lust who hates rape. In the third highest caste. Yeah, they expanded the lore alright. Not in any good way though. Just piles on more questions than answers.
Your point isn't invalidated by this but Nifty died in the 50's
>Cherri Bomb died in the 80s and she still physically in her 20s
I don't think the age you die at matters much, the two dudes in Helluva who built an aging machine either died of old age or were their death bed when they got crushed by a piano seemed fine when they ended up in Hell.
>Pentious died in 1888
"Were you Jack The Ripper?"
Hate that Moxxie's dad is just a bigger version of him with a hat
It's lazy design
>Moxxie's dad could've been a beefy, ruggedly handsome gangster that actually looks intimidating
It would've made more sense for Moxxie to have low self-esteem if his dad looked like that.
At the very least, given him a different voice.
Hell, you know what we couldve had, heres an idea.
>Moxxie is back home.
>Eugh, Dad.
>Eugh, Chaz.
>Huh, whose that.
>No... No it cant be. Not. Hiiiim.
>Its his bitter rival from childhood, the one voiced by Dib.
>Hes screaming at him from across an empty road.
>MOXXIE
>WHAAAAT
>MOXXIE
>WHAAAT
>YOU'RE STILL A LOSER MOXXIE
>THAT'S VERY NICE OF YOU
>Looks like Karkat Vantas just to make the circle of stupidity complete.
Why are sinners above hellborn?
No idea. Especially since hellborn make up like 90% of hell's population since they live in the rest of the rings and sinners only exist on the Pride ring.
Hellborn are basically the servant caste, also they can die by non-angelic means while sinners can't.
I think it's funny that if you showed someone Bee's design and told her she's supposed to be a sin, most wouldn't be able to tell she's gluttony. Especially next to Mammon.
>Tamdc got more views in 2 months than the pilot of helluva
Based Goosworkx
We'll see if they stick the landing.
Episode 8 was made later. The episode after 7 was s2e1, which only dropped by 5 mil.
It's a chart of IMDB scores, from ratinggraph dot com. Here's the Simpsons.
This meme is funny for anyone who was into webcomics a decade ago.
Why do kids keep falling for Viv's shit when so many people keep calling it out?
Fricking shit frick crap frick
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Sexmealooba b***hika booba fickity fockity frick Frick 'em together and what have you got, fickity fockity frick.
I fully expected 'Le Heaven Bad' but it still frustrated me to see it confirmed in the trailer.
If Heaven was shown as being the standard holier-than-thou prick it would be fine, Heaven doesn't need to be perfect. But the fact they're showing off Heaven as somehow being worse than Hell, a place with a district dedicated to damn cannibals, filled to the brim with sadists like Alastor and Valentino, and even having Charlie joining in on a song that boils down to "Frick Heaven!" in the the first damn season completely throws away the core idea of the show that the pilot put forward.
It really is just Helluva Boss 2.0, but at least with Helluva we got a few episodes that stayed true to the "Imps assassinating Humans for Sinners" premise, the core premise for Hazbin is going to be abandoned at the end of the first episode.
Motherfricking b***h what the frick else did your bawd-ass expect, fricking shit.
I just hope they don't frick up God. Maybe Heaven is the way it is because he went on vacation and the angels became just as degenerate and moronic as the demons he cast down to hell. God will come back at the end and see that Charlie's the only person trying to make a positive change in the world and puts her in charge of Heaven after damning all the angels to the deepest pits of Hell with Lucifer. They can show that redemption is possible if you try to be the difference you want to see in the world. Knowing Viv however, God will just be some stupid sexist who's a jerk to everyone for no reason.
>I just hope they don't frick up God. Maybe Heaven is the way it is because he went on vacation and the angels became just as degenerate and moronic as the demons he cast down to hell.
I wish Gilbert Gottfried was alive so we could have him voice God again for this role.
>God sounds like Iago
I did not expect that.
In hindsight, could there have been any other option?
>God: Do as I say or experience pain for eternity
>Man:What if I never learn about your existence to begin with and live a good life anyway?
>God: DID I FREAKIN' STUTTER? INTO THE PIT OF HELLFIRE WITH YOU!!!
Not for nothing, but God comes off as kind of a prick sometimes
that Theological issue was solved 500 years ago
The very fact it had to be codified to begin with and wasn't dogma from second one suggests that maybe we're all just dumb monkeys with atom bombs making shit up as we go about forces we can barely comprehend, much less understand.
You should've been on that plane, Seth.
>that maybe we're all just dumb monkeys with atom bombs making shit up as we go about forces we can barely comprehend, much less understand.
ah ha yes i am le smort
What was the solution?
The real solution is that Jesus Christ forgives all sins, including the one of disbelief. This isn't mainstream Christianity because it would kill off the pressing need to believe, which would result in less people coming to church.
The irony is that people aren't going to church for that reason. People aren't in the religion for the religion, they are in that religion for the group and community.
This is what Jesus was preaching for. He was preaching against the church for becoming extremely orthodox, which results in more sins and causes an abusive power structure, and was pro community and forgiveness.
Mark 3:
23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. 28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
Blasphemy doesn't mean the disbelief of God or JC. It's a rejection of goodness, which often coincides with disbelief in God, which is why so many get confused over this.
Essentially be a good person, Jesus can forgive everything else. But if you're evil, doing evil willfully, then you will suffer in Hell eternally.
No Jeffrey Dahmer is not in heaven.
If one has done evil, but now works to better himself, his fellow man, his community, and his very soul begs forgiveness, can it be granted?
>if one has done evil
We all do evil everyday.
Assuming you're meaning heinous crimes and acts, then it depends on how grievous it actually is and how it's handled.
True evil doesn't just change and in almost every instance they double down everywhere they go. Normal people don't just murder for fun.
Using Jeffrey Dahmer as an example, he had a long time to cease his actions, but continued them. Only when in prison, before his death did he somehow magically become a good person? That's not how it works.
One of they key indications is outward repentance, not just a change of ways or regret.
By doing the whole "we need the word of God" play, you are becoming exactly what God and Jesus despises. It is impossible to adhere to his laws as would be required to get into heaven. The more you try the more you fail, resulting in a corruption of the faith.
>By doing the whole "we need the word of God" play, you are becoming exactly what God and Jesus despises. It is impossible to adhere to his laws as would be required to get into heaven. The more you try the more you fail, resulting in a corruption of the faith
If you loved Jesus, you would obey his commandments.
>If you loved Jesus, you would obey his commandments.
Or you know, by being a good person. If obeying his commandments is how you love Jesus, then no one can love Jesus as inevitably they will be disobeyed. Which is why the focus is on forgiveness and not strict adherence to the rules.
John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
This is to a very specific disciple, Philip, not to the masses, during a time of stress. This is the problem with a naif's understanding of Christianity. You lack context of what's going on when you post single verses.
You still did not reject the inherent paradox of what you believe, it becomes impossible to love Jesus because you cannot keep his commandments at all times.
>"be a good person" is incredibly vague
It's really not, good people make mistakes. The point is to not do irreversible harm to yourself, the community, and others. Communities were making their morality without the Bible, and it wasn't a mess, it was filled with both evil and good, and laws of their own making.
>fills itself with moral wisdom, rules, and reflections.
Most of it is contradictory, which is the point of why Jesus is forgiving.
The wages of sin is death. Stop provoking it.
Can't you see the flaw in your own argument though?
While the forgiveness of sin and human flaws is set out within the book, "be a good person" is incredibly vague for a thick book which fills itself with moral wisdom, rules, and reflections. The whole point is that a "good person" is something that is fundamentally impossible and you need to be as much like Jesus as you can while being mindful of your own flaws and shortcomings.
>This isn't mainstream Christianity because it would kill off the pressing need to believe, which would result in less people coming to church.
No. We need the word of God because it’s the law. Christ has appeared to Ultra-Othrodox israelites because they obeyed the Law and sought the one true God. One of the oldest rabbis died in 2006 and he left behind a message to signify to the israelites that Jesus is the messiah.
what is a "virtuous pagan" for $500, alex
>Le edgy boy is le edgy
Stay salty forever atheoid.
in the Divina Commedia god pagans are sent to Limbo, which is a nice place modeled after Elysium (still in hell, but no torture). The only torture is that you don't get to see God.
>Divina Commedia
Is a fanfiction, no more canonical than Hazbin.
Better Fanfiction than Hazbin and more consistent too.
Well written fanfiction is still fanfiction.
Except you literally know who God is, so you can no longer apply to the scenario.
>if christianism real why [issue that was discussed and solved a literal millenia ago]
Getting mad at God feels like getting mad at your parents.
You take issue sure, make a case why somethings is fricked up but would that accomplish?
God will probably just be shown as this mean ol' tyrant who kicked Lucifer out of Heaven not because he tried to overthrow God or because he threw a massive violent b***h fit when he wasn't God's favorite anymore, but because Lucifer loves free will and shit and that's a big no no in God's book.
That's explained in most branches of religion, if you don't find out about the one true god or whatever, you fall into the same basket as kids and you're let into Heaven anyways. Besides it seems like Viv's Heaven and Hell only takes into account if you were a good person or not.
So if say a Hindu spends thier life accruing good karma and is overall a decent human being, do they get sent to Hell by virtue of believing in some elephant god instead of one from a culture and people he likely will never have contact with, or at the very least choose not to adhere to?
If so, where does the divine justice part come into play? Because in that case God is confirmed to be a pretentious butthole who's only goal is to have everyone keep saying how awesome He is. And I'm sorry, but I find the universe to be infinitely more complex than merely a means for some super being to boost thier ego.
So, honestly, Christianity's "faith" doctrine makes a lot more sense when you realize that the typical heaven/hell dynamic for most religions borders on absurd.
You wanna make God look like a dick? It's when you get to one specific topic "Predestination."
This is the thing that most churches are afraid to touch because if God logically has predestined who is saved, then he's also determined whose already bound for hell.
"Free will v. Predeterminism" will always be a 'mysterious ways' things because most churches know the popular Calvinist approach being mainstream knowledge would basically kill evangelism in its tracks.
>That's explained in most branches of religion, if you don't find out about the one true god or whatever, you fall into the same basket as kids and you're let into Heaven anyways.
Doesn't this mean that knowledge of Jesus/God is a cognitohazard? As in, it can only harm you if you know about it?
Sounds like so
>Besides it seems like Viv's Heaven and Hell only takes into account if you were a good person or not.
How does Viv define a ‘good person’? Because we’ve only seen sanctimonious c**ts from Heaven so far, except for maybe Collin.
>Viv define a ‘good person’?
Millie and Octavia by all accounts because they're either a loving wife who'll protect their smol beans, or an innocent bystander who's not apart of the on going drama her father is doing.
You have to be a person in order to be a good person, and those examples aren’t people, they’re cardboard cutouts, like mist of Viv’s female characters.
If she understood what redemption was, which Charlie DOES NOT understand, then you could say there are GOOD characters in her content.
-Blitzo is sort of going through a redemption if he's finally understanding the faults of his behavior.
-Fizz is a better person but not a good person. He suffered loss and is going through a process of being a better version of himself.
-Asmodeus MAYBE is a 'good' person but he's still a demon lord, his only good thing is he wants to be openly gay with his Imp sex toy, which is redefining classism and interracial relationships. But he's still selling lust devices and encouraging drug use to boost sex drive.
-Beelzebub maybe a good person according to Viv because she preaches dumb shit like "moderation" but she's just some Church Youth Counselor at that point. Frick this character.
This is Charlie's problem: she's thinking that she can change the hearts and undo the sins of the people who are in hell by getting them to "stop being sinners" when the point of hell is because these people COULDN'T stop being sinners. They're in hell to embrace those vices. This is apart of their nature.
Charlie was to conversion therapy every one before the angels purge them and she's apparently a GOOD person for wanting that. She just wants to pound the pussy of a fallen angel for clout points. Frick off.
Octavia is the only "good person" in this world because she was born into it all. She doesn't do anything other than survive.
>Charlie wants to conversion therapy every one before the angels purge them and she's apparently a GOOD person for wanting that
No, Charlie is a compassionate person for wanting to save people from being exterminated. Her conversion therapy-ing people is simply the means she chooses to achieve that end, with her seeing no alternative option. And it is still very possible that the show will reveal that she is supposed to be wrong in this, and she may learn a valuable lesson about it and changes her mind and grow later. Especially since Heaven Bad.
>Charlie is a compassionate person
who wants to pound fallen angel pussy...
It's gonna be Steven Universe bad is all I'm saying.
Vivzie is horribly vague about what the Deadly Sins actually do, but, I feel considering how intrinsic their respective sins are to their positions, and how powerful they are (Directly below Lucifer himself) I think its not terribly incorrect to assume they have some weird sort of Warhammer Chaos God relationship with their respective vices, where the greater their presence in the mortal realm, the stronger they are in turn (i.e more alcoholism on Earth makes Beelzebub stronger, or a new war makes Satan more powerful)
With this in mind, by their very nature, each of the 7DS are a million times eviller than any person could ever hope to be.
Asmodeus is at least indirectly responsible for all earthly sexual assault, rape, incest and bestiality.
Mammon and Satan are, well, y'know. Child labor and child soldiers.
Even Beelzebub, arguably the kindest of the Sins, is responsible for the current obesity crisis and the alcoholism problems that have plagued mankind since near its conception.
If you define gluttony as any kind of substance ingestion, then she is also responsible for every drug epidemic and the resulting violence and poverty they cause.
I could just be pulling this out of my ass and the Seven Deadly Sins relation to their sins is merely aesthetic, but, if we consider they have even a slight connection to the physical manifestation of mankinds evil, then they have a lot of stuff to say sorry for.
None of the demons born in Hell are inherently evil. They are oretty much alien species compared to humanity who did nothing to end up where they are
Also hilariously all the demon characters we saw in Helluva Boss even the vilkain characters got nothing on Alastor who was a sadistic serial killer in his mortal life
The problem is that they are not even that alien. They are just funny looking humans really and I think it's a shame. There could be some interesting things done with beings born in Hell in terms of their culture and mindsets, but they are just boring in HB and it means nothing that they are demons.
Hell in HB is just a slightly more shitty version of the human world and demons are just humans with extra steps and more loose morals. So, yeah, the Hell that Viv has made is just boring. It's basically just Earth but with monsters and sometimes magic, the lack of demons having their own otherworldly culture that sets them apart from humans is a waste.
Imagine if we could have them be actually resentful towards Sinners. Like maybe they honestly enjoy seeing humanity get down to them so they can torment them. Maybe them glorifying the fall of Cain for instance. Maybe have them be far weirder in terms of what they praise. Like Mammon maybe doesn't need to hide that he will exploit demons that work for him and Hellborn being eager to be exploited, maybe have Goetias use Sinners as slaves, maybe some Hellborn give a place to hide during the Exterminations for Sinners, but in return they abuse or use them for their own needs. Maybe have most Imps praise Satan and be extremely brutal because of it as their way of showing praise to him. Maybe have all the different Sins, Lucifer and some other powerful Demons all being worshipped by Sinners and their religions having clashes with one another and all of them make their own religions for those living Gods they have in Hell. Maybe it could also go on to establish different side to Law and Chaos as well where certain beings in Hell lean more towards chaos while the other is more about order. Have Ring of Gluttony look like a giant Bee hive from the inside or something. Have some Demons living in giant weapons maybe that are remnants of old wars waged across Hell. Maybe have entire armies still waging war on the outskirts of Pride due to their inability to comprehend that they are already dead and because of that they keep on fighting forever. Have their films or music or theatre involve actual murder of certain Demons. SHOW THIS PLACE BE ACTUAL HELL!! Where you have NO idea who you can even root for because everyone is insane on some level and you have to wonder how to judge their morality.
TL;DR. Make this version Hell have some actual nuance in what it presents to it's audience. Make it more than red earth.
waaaaait
>Hell in HB is just a slightly more shitty version of the human world and demons are just humans with extra steps and more loose morals
Waaaait. Are the demons in HB/Helluva just the Fae?
Don't Fae live in the woods and eat grass or something? Demons in HB/HH live and act exactly like humans.
>Alastor is more hardcore and dangerous then actual hellborn demons
Are sinners confined to the Pride ring because they'd frick up the hellborn and take over hell itself?
Seems like most of the demons n shit just are gay n shit. One fresh batch of favela monkies would sort most of them out.
Not sinners, don’t count
its kind of funny how all the actual hellspawn characters like imps and demons are shown to be somewhat decent people compared to the ex-human sinners.
I’m fine with that, since they didn’t do anything to go there, but how is Heaven supposed to be portrayed as bad and redemption is useless if literally every sinner in Hell is some flavour of bastard. I just don’t see what makes Heaven the bad guy if good people are conspicuously absent in Hell, suggesting they’re all in Heaven.
All I’m saying is that Heaven may be a bunch of sanctimonious buttholes, but I doubt people like Valentino or Alastor are up there accumulating power.
Maybe the determining factor is whether or not you played by all the rules and worshipped the right religion hard enough. So you qualify for Daddy’s Special Club, but that doesn’t make you good, it just makes you his sheep. But since God (who might not be so bad and might have sorta been onto something but was still a little off) wrote the rules that you don’t get in if you commit his list of sins, that means killers and rapists aren’t allowed, which is why those guys are in Hell.
It could be it’s leading to the lesson that Lu was kinda right all along and that it is good to be a free thinker. The issue I take with this is that it leaves God fallible and means he fricked up with the setup.
In Helluva Boss, Ms Mayberry or whatever her name is sorta brushes on this. She says she did everything right, right up until her last minute of life, and then she died before she could make up for her one mistake. We don’t get confirmation, but it’s implied that she would have gotten into Heaven if only she had slipped on a banana peel and cracked her head earlier that same morning, and she thinks this system is unfair for that one action to define her for eternity.
We also see CHERUB tell that millionaire dude who literally killed a bunch of orphans that he has a shot at joining them in Heaven if he just makes a quick deathbed conversion, and that has some disturbing implications for who else might be up there.
There was actually a real world Ms Mayberry a woman Christian met in hell. Unlike King Saul, there was no caution blown to her or desperately seeking guidance from the Lord. There was no duty to die under her consequences and get a quick check up before her death. She was determined to kill her ex husband then herself.
>We also see CHERUB tell that millionaire dude who literally killed a bunch of orphans that he has a shot at joining them in Heaven if he just makes a quick deathbed conversion, and that has some disturbing implications for who else might be up there.
In Hell, God specialized his punishments for every sinner. Angel Dust would be spending his eternity dying from gay demon sex and it’s far worse than what Child Molesters get punished with.
I mean they were just born into this world they are basically aliens that get inspired by human culture when you think about it
It's coping. You are coping.
Mmmmm
Is this you by any chance?
https://twitter.com/LadiesMan217G/status/1735749837407093084
I at least wanted to hope that “Heaven bad” was gonna be a reveal for the season finale, but the way they put it in the trailer makes it look like they’ll have it established from episode 1.
Did people really expect fricking Vivzie to portray heaven in a good god damn light? b***hass frick dick
>Angel Dust origin story
>he's getting railed by one of his mobster father's closeted guards while wearing expensive lingerie
>his father and several lieutenants barge into the room
>AD: Christ alive, pops, would it kill you to frickin' knock?!
>transition to the hotel bar
>AD: And that's how I wound up here in this shithole.
>Husk: Sounds 'bout right. What about the muscle who was ridin' yer ass?
>AD: Eh, he ended up here a few days after me. Turns out the old frick took his time killing him compared to me. He double-died in one of the purges years ago. A shame, too. The best frick I've ever had in *both* worlds.
Greentext predictions for character origin stories?
Is that Angel Dust? That homie has been on my mind. No cap, I been thinking about that time when I barebacked him raw in a Pride Air BnB. That shit had to be the tightest, wettest spider bussy I've ever laid pipe into. I swear to God, the most satanic high is gargling that wonderboy's nuts while going fist deep into his shitter. I had Angel Dust screaming in the sheets with head too ridiculous to ignore. That homie frotted my wiener until he busted on my mouth, I had to return the favor. That homie Angel Dust and I been fricking non-stop ever since, but keep that shit on the DL. He does that shit for free. If you're gonna ask me how to "long" Angel Dust, I'll be deadass. All you gotta do is ask, be straight up, and get physical real quick. Touch his nuts, get on ya knees, talk your shit. He doesn't play around with no pansy-ass homies either. He likes his men manly, and his dick thick. Dark skin, 6'5 is the minimum and I ain't talking about height boy. That homie Angel Dust stole my heart and drank my sneed.
>He double-died
Is that what happens is in the Music video? I never got truth more than 30 seconds couse its really fricking cringe.
No.
MV gave us only some tiny snipets of angel's life in hell (which may well be non-canon)
>he's been whoring around in hell for 70 years
>works as practically a sex slave for Val
>constantly being raped by Val
>he's extremely distressed by his current life
>he's very standoffish with Charlie and is unwilling to confide in her
>he loves his pet pig
Old lore was that Angel Dust overdosed on angel dust in his 30s in the 1940s and died alone. Who knows if that's still canon.
>when some sex trafficking bug sinner is more of a lust demon then the actual embodiment of lust that's a literal demon
I hope Viv doesn't try to make Valentino a dindu like what she did to Asmodeus
You don’t have any evidence that the premise changed accept for that one line where Charlie says she’ll show the angels whose boss or whatever, Angry girl shakes fist at Le biblically accurate Angel and some half second scenes of the Angels coming down and killing people.
Maybe Charlie’s just singing about ‘showing heaven whose boss’ because she gets laughed at when she explains her idea to them, And maybe they end up fighting the angels cuz killing someone on the main cast [Angel?] is on the exterminators shortlist to kill.
>Thinking Viv will ever have the guts to kill off a main character, especially Angel, and in the first season no less.
>Charlie says "It is time to lend a hand against the angels and their deadly threat."
>Chorus sings about explicitly going to "war" against Heaven.
The premise obviously changed to "Heaven are le oppressors and it's time we fight back!".
Screencap this post.
This will sound like I’m coping, but ‘war’ could just mean the angels are coming down to do an exterminatus [thus why in that half a second clip we see the windows of the Hotel all boarded up] and Charlie and Co’ are trying to stop them killing people.
I want to believe this but I can't. Again, screencap my posts if there's any sort of nuisance towards Heaven in fact being morally ambiguous instead of just 'Le bad oppressors!' and the whole "Let's try to get a Sinner into Heaven" premise isn't forgotten about by the halfway point in the season, or even just at the end of the first episode.
I fully expected this 'Heaven Le Bad' slop for years, although I hoped that Heaven would be flawed but still relatively virtuous, and I thought they'd at least wait until the second season to shit on Heaven, and the first season would focus on overcoming the Vs and shit.
The absolute best case scenario left for me to have any interest in the show is if the fight against the Exorcists causes Adam to be demoted from leading them (Sinners still take massive causalities because Exorcists shouldn't be jobbed, but a couple dozen Exorcists are killed or severely wounded in the fighting and that's enough to really get the higher-ups pissed off at Adam) and the replacement is more willing to hear Charlie's ideas out. But I don't see that, Exorcists are going to get totally stomped without them killing anybody of importance and look like incompetent idiots on top of being evil without any nuisance.
Heaven is gonna be the evil straights and hell is gonna be the good gays
Charlie in the trailer be like:
>can’t even draw all five fingers
What a childish piece of garbage. The next generation is screwed.
>Adam
>angel
???
In some circles, Adam became an archangel after he died, and that's usually the last we hear about him. Viv's just rolling with it
Didn't he burn in hell for a bit before Jesus wrote them a "Get out of hell free" card?
No, that was all the virtuous pagans who were left on Hell's doorstep until Jesus came into play. Because an infinitely powerful, all benevolent Creator still needs an thumbs up from his kid before he let's the smelly looser kids sit at the cool kids table, it seems
But isn't Jesus also god while being his son?
By that logic, the FRICK was he waiting for? Taco Tuesday?
For humans to make their choice.
Adam made that choice for us long before we were even born. Why would God wait the entirety of human history until Rome was friggin thing to even give us the option of overcoming Original Sin? Was he just THAT pissed off? If so, what justice can be gained from a being capable of such enduring, stubborn wrath?
You speak like you understand Christianity from media as bad as Hazbin Hotel. Basic grasp of history and theology is missing
Making a series about redemption and derailing it into complete snotty nonsense is just embarrassing.
>Spend the first 5000 years after creating the universe trying to figure out why humans refuse to behave no matter how hard you smite them.
>Finally partition some of yourself to be human and see what it's like.
>Come back a bleeding heart liberal.
Depends with which religion take you roll with, they're separate beings according to the christian orthodox for example.
I figured he was just a powerful non-sinner in Vivzie's setting. Or even, ironically enough though I don't think she's clever enough to do this, a repentant sinner considering his origin. He's not innately angelic, he's just a dude.
MY NAME IS CAINE
I AM YOUR b***h
The absolute seethe this got out of Viv was legendary.
Can you explain please?
The anons here would have to provide the caps of her tweets, but basically she responded to this:
%3D
Ah.
The cherubs only swore when pushed to their breaking point and Adam is a sinner who does not even operate in Heaven despite his position.
>Adam is an 'angel' in name only, given to him only because he was the first human
>Not actually allowed in Heaven
That would actually be an interesting take, which is why I don't expect it to happen.
He seems to be in Heaven in his pic, besides it would be extremely counterproductive for him to be not allowed in heaven considering the important position he has
He's in the clocktower/embassy in that pic (look at the architecture), which is in Hell. Do you really think he's allowed in Heaven when he looks and acts the way he does?
Adam is naturally Golden. He was restored by God.
The only reason he is designed this way is because Lucifer is seething badly over him and his righteous descendants. Because Lucifer is a literal void of darkness.
I hope someone beats that deer prostitute to death
Honestly angels and demons ARE the same, but Vivs version is just stupid.
Like they're LITERALLY the same, instead of metaphorically the same entity.
Are there different kinds of demons or are they all just fallen angels? Are fallen angels just a type of demon? They’re usually portrayed as such in media and are the most powerful as well.
Every fallen angel is a demon, but not every demon is a fallen angel. Lucifer convinced 1/3rd of Heaven's angels to join in his rebellion, and when that failed God gave them all the boot down to the lowest pit of existence. Originally that was it; mere separation from God's radiant grace is hell enough (in fact this is literally the israeli version of Hell: you spend eternity being "distant" from God but can never approach Him). Then us lowly sinners started being sent there as well, and that's where you start seeing the more bread-and-butter styled demons that just want to frick shit up.
Basically, if you ever see a demon with a biblical sounding name (Beezelbub, Asmodeus, etc), they fell directly from Heaven during Lucifer's little shitfit. Everyone else is just some butthole who died and decided to triple down on thier assholishness.
Then again all of this is just Christian fanfic written centuries after Jesus died so take it with a grain of salt
you forget the part where all the regular demons come from, fricking with humans. Mostly Lilith it seems in lore.
Lilith a big Hoe
The very idea of hellborn is problematic for a just and loving God.
>for the unforgivable sin of your birth, you are stuck forever in literal Hell
>no there's no exceptions, stop asking already
isnt all that stuff catholic apocrypha though?
Even then isn't the problem of predestination just the same issue?
Lilith is israeli mysticism in particular.
Predestination, Predeterminism, and Free Will are in a totally different ballpark.
I talked about this earlier in the thread.
if you go full Calvinist perspective, God kinda looks like a dick. But that's church tradition and the issue is this is the one thing that literally no one can agree on because in order for it all to work, both Free Will and predetermined fate have to work hand in hand without contradiction.
The general consensus is "whatever is going on there is from God's perspective and we kinda just have to accept the mystery on that one"
>*shrug*
>Deus Vult, I guess
And thats how you get people to slaughter thier neighbors on the off chance it'll make God not as angry with you as He could have been
how the catholic church reasoned its way into that one still confuses me. There is literally zero way to get crusade = salvation if you are even taking a cursory glance at the new testament.
we are allowed self defense, and the Crusades (middle east + Reconquista) were just a large scale version of that
>catholic logic
"the crusades were self defense"
bruh
Islamic invasions of Christian lands for 400 years
>muh Catholic logic
anon he rephrased your post in a manner that's easier to dismiss, just accept your L and move on
Your L is hell.
>catholic logic
"NU it was self defense, clearly the church's responsibility is martial safeguarding of its flock not the state"
/s
redditor
virgin
there were legit Christians watching this???
>Free Will and predetermined fate hand in hand
the effect is determined, the cause is not. free will != free action. this is hell, and it will be emptied.
>*Charlie spends months trying to reform sinners at the Hotel/Sanitarium*
>Goes and confronts her dad / some Angel about the Sinners being ‘let into heaven’
>”Nah that can’t happen”
>”I know you don’t believe me!, But if you just see how good some of the people we’ve helped have become then may…”
>”No, I mean…It literally dosen’t work that way, If you die up on earth, And you didn’t follow the rules, Then your down here. Like your DONE, It’s finished, It’s over with, It dosent matter how good you decide to act down here”
>*record scratch / glass break / piano falling from the top floor*
>”W…What?”
>*mindbroken crooked smile and twitching eye* - Charlie
>”You know, Your mother, I think she had the same idea a few Millenia back, Went nowhere, Half of them relapsed back into their old selves when they realised they were stuck here and most of the other half got killed by the exterminators”
>”…”
So double -dying works on DBZ rules, you cease to exist. What about the demonic hellborn, do they have souls or are they what they are and one death is it?
HB follows hellborn and they've yet to even mention the annual purges that go down. That would infer they're either ignored entirely in preference to sinners, or it's a moot point and they follow South Park's rules for dying in hell and they just respawn somewhere
>But...you died!
>Well where was I supposed to go? Detroit?
>Well, where was I sup
>Sinner dies.
>Randomly reincarnated.
>More often a Chinese Baby or a Detroit black.
>Detroit black
it'll be a short playthrough
It's a speed running strat.
>Sin
>Die
>Go to Hell
>Die again
>Reincarnate into a niglet baby
>Get drowned in lead-poisoned Detroit water by your mother's post-partem depression
>Go to Heaven because all babies go straight to Heaven when they die
EZPZ
>It worked!
HB obviously shows that hellborn die permanently if killed. I think low tires can be killed by anything while "elite" like Stolas can only be killed by holy weapons. They don't have the annual purge because the purge is specifically for the Pride Ring where sinners reside (they can't get out of the Pride Ring). Sinners I think respawn unless killed by holy weaponry but that is I am not very sure of.
If judging the themes of Helluva Boss, my best guess is that the angels are a bunch of self-absorbed snobs who look down on the demons, which makes them worse than demons in the eyes of the narrative
It was kinda a running motif in HB that the worst possible thing you could be is snooty, worst than any other sin
I mean theologically that is kinda true
Pride goeth before the Fall
>Meanwhile in Hell
>Widespread and rampant gambling and drug use.
>Constant warfare in the streets for dominance over land, is reported on the news as if it's a simple weather report.
>A whole district of the city is called 'Cannibal Town', it's exactly what you expect.
>The worst types of people are usually the most influential, such as sexual abusive and possessive pimp dominating a massive porn industry, a serial killer cannibal being the strongest Sinner in Hell, and another cannibal who runs the aforementioned cannibal town.
Gee I wonder why Heaven doesn't like Sinners very much, I hate this "Being rude to terrible fricking people makes you a bad guy" logic Viv has going on.
It’s the logic all of these gays have. They’ve suffered so little that shit like being mean girled is worse than murder or cannibalism. Imagine it like people that never got out of their bullshit high school drama phase.
It's not so much that being rude to buttholes is bad, it's more about the lack of self awareness that being rude/uppity in the first place is a sin in and of itself. There's a reason a big part of Jesus' teachings was about loving your enemy; it ends the circle of hatred we're all stuck in perpetually. If you look down at worst mankind has to offer, you're not doing anyone a service. You're just making yourself feel good because "well at least I'm not THEM." Condemning the Other isn't the point, trying to understand them so we all stop flinging rocks at each other's skulls is.
Don’t try to pull some reverse logic nonsense, those frickers relish in what they do. You don’t get to hell just by doing the occasional bad thing like most people think. You have to work for damnation.
And Jesus says to love even those who strive to get into Hell, because writing them off only gets them there quicker. Will it stop them from committing atrocities and lead them to redemption? Probably not, but it's better than declaring them persona non grata and leaving them to sin unchallenged. Love and hope do more to stave off sin in the long run than the lash and rod ever could.
If they’re in hell they’re already written off, purgatory is where you have a chance to get redemption after death, Hell is for the damned and love and hope can be twisted into the most foul of sins. You have to know when to let go lest you fall with them.
Purgatory is a concept made up by the Chruch centuries after Jesus died as a band aid to the very theological issue we're discussing, and even then it was flimsy. It's only for those with minor sins or who were never baptized into the church, mortal sins like murder, rape or blasphemy still sends you straight to Hell, do not pass Go.
And to address your other point, loving a sinner does not mean you excuse thier sin, much less join them in it. It just means having the patience to still be there if and when they come to thier senses. If they choose to walk into hell, we'll that's thier prerogative, and there's only so much you can do for another person's soul.
Can blasphemy be forgiven if one seeks repentance
Only if you purchase an indulgence.
Absolutely.
It doesn't matter how much you blasphemed, as long as you are truly repentant of your sins and accept God's love, you are forgiven.
It does when a person knows that no matter what they do they will always have a fallback. People that constantly resort to doing messed up shit need desperation, they need a reminder that at any moment it could all be over for them. If they have someone in their corner always encouraging them and letting them know that no matter what they’re always loved then they won’t change. Psychopaths do this shit all the time, they rely on the generosity of kind strangers and people that will put up with them. The whole course you’re talking about relies on the fact that a person will see that someone cares and believes in them so in the end feel guilty and turn their life around. That just doesn’t happen it’s usually some scare or grim reminder that puts them on track.
Correction: purgatory is a concept made up by CATHOLICS, not Christians. Catholicism only started to try to get some of that sweet money and political influence they saw Christian churches getting.
actually writing them off makes you more likely to be sent to hell, not the other way around.
That would make sense and even be a good plot point in the series, unfortunately we all know that the main characters are going to get a dindu nuffin treatment.
Imagine the viv tweets if the show ends up getting bad reviews.
I am earnestly hoping in my heart of hearts that the mainstream reaction to Hazbin Hotel is
>the frick is this gay broadway devil bullshit bruh xD
If random Xitter homosexuals with a few hundred followers can rile her up by criticizing her work without even mentioning her directly on a constant basis I have got to wonder what will happen if mainstream reviews and normalgays don't like her show. The only reason she's got away with so much for so long is because the indie cartoon community is a huge bubble of sycophants that she can sic on people, what exactly is her plan when people outside that bubble start making fun of her work?
I'm a bit more pessimistic. I have the sinking feeling that it's going to do well.
It would be hilarious but I know for a fact that if I want something like that to happen it will probably not happen because everything I want to succeed fails and everything I want to fail succeeds. I’ve also seen normies enjoy it with minimal issues so I don’t think it’ll tank.
It's going to do well
It's in June where she will need to watch out for when tag strikes and helluva crew will be encouraged to join tag in telling the outrage the animation industry faced.
There was a doc full of reviews but apparently some kid reviews blasted spindlehorse but there still honest and true reviews it's not a good company.
I'm hoping someone will be brave to release how little viv paid them since it's non union. I do not know how much money she pays them but the constant hiring, enormous team of clean up artist on a project that only needs 12 people , and hiring celebrity voices makes me wonder how much they are getting paid. Helluva is non union so viv hires cheap young and eager talent. The whole team is young 20 something years olds eager to break into the industry.
Hazbin seems to be union through bento box but I hear rumors bento box is low and cheap.
It's eye opening when big name creators haven't said anything about hazbin and well respected animators won't even touch spindlehorse job offers but are constantly posting their reels with "looking for work" in their username
"I hear Bento box is low and cheap" they made paradise pd and bob's burgers, they ARE low and cheap
The frick are people even watching these days, what is this shit. You don't have enough pre-2000 material to last for a lifetime?
>liberals
>watching anything before 2010, let alone 2000, that doesn't portray or promote some form of their political agenda
Why do you think every animated show for a 50 to 100 year old franchise has a non-hetero or raceswap character in it nowadays?
>implying even half of those are worth watching.
Just a reminder, that Pride is the only ring that feels like Hell. The rest of the rings are just monster worlds with no sinners, with laws, rules and enjoyment. Viz could've made a show about monsters living in their chaotic world. I would forgive her.
Probably because canonically all sinners are restricted to the pride ring
wait... this is her ENTIRE depiction of hell? There isn't actual LAYERS below each city? It's just ONE GIANT city??
Since I’ve seen a lot of speculation come from Helluva saying that each ring has its own different colored sky, and it seems like rings are accessed using elevators, I think that giant pentagram might just be Pride ring, split into several sections. Which, the entirety of Hazbin is supposed to take place exclusively in Pride, since that’s the only ring with sinners, so I guess in a way you could kinda say that’s basically all of the Hell that matters anyway.
No, that's just a scale view of pentagram city, calm down
No. If you watch Helluva, you know Hell has multiple Rings that have to be accessed by elevator, indicating vertical placement. Pride is just the Top Ring, because Lucifer
Where is Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad, Thor, Vishnu, Woden, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn?
>Muhammad
now now anon we don't want to get get assassinated.
The creator of this show has been brain broken by twitter. I’d be embarrassed to be associated with her.
I know as a liberal it would offend her, but if Stalin and Hitler showed up wrestling Mao, even if it was just a backdrop, I'd be happy. But folks like that? Ah, they're dead. Gone. Kaput.
What likely happened is that Vizvie had a bunch of OCs she wanted to use and forced them into the story without making any changes to their design.
She just lost the Christian audience, hope it was worth it.
Why is there no media centered about Buddhist concept of heaven and hell instead? The whole idea of the seven hot and cold hells, the intimidating yet calming aura of the buddhas and the cycle of reincarnation could leave to pretty cool stuff, does people just don't give a frick abouth Buddhism?
Adventure Time sort of did something like that. A Buddhist afterlife but it was mixed with a bunch of other stuff too. I would love it if cartoons did more after-lives based on other religions besides Christianity. I think it's just a cultural thing like most Westerners regardless of faith are aware of Christianity after life through cultural osmoses. It would take someone who has an interest in other religions and who makes cartoons for other afterlives to be displayed.
>I would love it if cartoons did more after-lives based on other religions besides Christianity. I think it's just a cultural thing like most Westerners regardless of faith are aware of Christianity after life through cultural osmoses.
No. The fake afterlives are complete rejections if the LORD, Jesus Christ, and his gospel.
Yeah as opposed to taking Christian theology and making a low brow comedy out of it where people swear constantly, demons are sympathetic, and Heaven is depicted as being full of snooty buttholes. I'm sure that's far less blasphemous.
Demons ultimately are fallen angels or man like us born with oddities.
Westerners making media don't know anything about Buddhism other than cursory knowledge of the Buddha or Nirvana.
She'll fix him.
I hate these threads because it makes the same nerds who watch Bluey religiously believe they're theologians.
Where do you think the "Vaggie is an angel" theory fits into the "heaven bad" concept? Vaggie thinks Heaven is bad? Vaggie is shows that heaven could be good, but she was outnumbered by whatever corruption has happened?
Also, since Lucifer is an angel doomed to hell, and he's Charlie's father, does that mean Charlie is potentially part angel, or did Lucifer's biology change when he was put into Hell?
> Charlie is part angel
I kinda thought that one was always supposed to be obvious. She’s so pure and kindhearted because she takes after her Granddad. I hope she can turn out to have an okay relationship with Him despite the family drama.
That reminds of a theory that was so clever, that it will 100% never happen in the show. Charlie can go to heaven if she simply asks to and no one can really stop her.
Lucifer only fell from grace through his own actions, which is a sin that cannot be passed down to her. Lilith never ate fruit from the tree of knowledge (aka original sin), and only fell from grace because of her rejection of god and refusal to submit to Adam. Lucifer could always go back to heaven if he simply swallowed his pride and humbled himself before God (which is stated multiple times in Paradise Lost, the book everyone gets wrong because they never actually read it).
Charlie is an objectively, spiritually pure Nephilim.
Im Just Dropping this
I mean one was meant to entertain and the other was made to teach
One fails and one succeeds
They are related in some way
I swear to god, if they pull the same schtick that one mother from Kill La Kill did with her own daughter, I'll fricking trash this series and hold Vivzie accountable for 100% lack of originality
kill la kill was unironically a great ride
this will be a trash heap
They wont be. Viv already confirmed Vaggie was a human prostitute from the 20th century
>Plot twist: Vaggie was an Angel who was kidnaped and mindbreaked by Charlie to be her perfect gf, and now she suffers from stockholm syndrome and refuses to leave her side
Imagine
>the reason why Charlie is going to war against Heaven is because they're trying to take her back
She's doing it all for pussy, lads...
She will NEVER be straight
>Vaggie was a human prostitute from the 20th century
Damn I bet she gives good head
Charlie is a lucky gal
So was Styxenhammer666 really trying to befriend vivziepop or did I imagine that? I know he watches this show since he has all the plushies.
israeli interference.
Yeah, I liked the way that CHERUB and Deery showed that despite all their posturing, the heaven denizens were just as capable of being petty self serving buttholes as anybody from Hell. You could easily take away the lesson that all the bells and whistles of “morality” don’t actually matter to doing the right thing, you have actually get the spirit of the matter.
I have a very thin hope that Adam is just an exception among angels because he used to be human. He’s everybody’s grampa and they could probably make it so that he invented swearing personally. But I know it’s unlikely they’d think of that.
Lilith in the Torah and old apocryphal Bibles was Adams first wife, before she left or was cast out. Could we see Adam and Lilith as jilted lovers? If that's the case, that sort of makes him Charlie's Uncle.
I wonder if Cain and Abel will be seen.
Extrapolating and headcannoning:
>After Cain dies when his house collapsed onto him, he arrives in Hell as one of the first, if not the first Sinner outside of Lucifer.
>Cain is welcomed like a son, maybe a far estranged brother to Charlie.
>The Mark of Cain has followed him into the afterlife, which Lucifer keeps in his back pocket if anything is needed.
>Charlie loves her big brother, but everyone else is terrified of him.
>that sort of makes him Charlie's Uncle
No it doesn’t. It just makes him a cuck.
If Cain ever make it to the show, would he be our b***h?
>Cain
Kain!
https://voca.ro/1fESfC9a3Axv
This show turned "frick" into the equivalent of saying "you are now manually suspending your disbelief" to me
You got a fricking problem with that you piece of fricking shit?
Oh frick oh frick oh frick!
I am so FRICKING sorry!
Yeah
>Pentagon City.
>Not the City of Dis.
You had one job, Viv.
Was it made up lore that demons are just fallen angels?
that’d frick up Lucifer’s backstory too much
Should I watch Hazbin Hotel, or should I boycott it after seeing Vivzie dump her cast like that?
For context, my roommate has Prime, so it would be more convenient for me to watch it legally than to pirate it.
just watch Problem Solverz, even that's better.
the ideology of the creators bars them from portraying heaven as even slightly good
>Adam is a sinner
what sin did he really commit, listening to his wife?
Yes.
If your wife jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?
Yeah
Can i be your wife?
Yes. I don't see why not
some say Eve was named that because of her beauty, so yeah, I would too
>I just dont get it dad why are the angels so mean
>I am Satan not dad
>Ok dad
>Angels arent supposed to be nice
>But why?
>There is no reason for angels to be nice what do angels lose not being nice nothing
>I dont understand
>Being a jerk is normal for angels
>Like you?
>Of course you could say Im the meanest angel that ever existed
>Thats not true dad
>Oh but it is you see this place called Hell it was originally just a dimension with demonic miasma in every direction, when a soul is in contact with the miasma the soul experiences incredible horrific pain. Isnt that just exciting?
>Um...
>So many souls just experiencing nothing but agony a rhapsody of screams, begging and whimpers
>What the frick dad
>Oh but Yahweh didnt like it he said it was too extreme yh that guy who trapped me in that fricking dimension so he undoed it and made those rings that you waste your existence in
>Wait? So your saying that God made Hell the way it is now?
>You think I like this place? I fricking hate this place Ive been trapped in this dimensional cage for over billions of years if I could destroy it and get out Id do it right away
>Dad? I
>But Yahweh is such a bastard he has the dimension in a way that the very fricking physics of it will change the moment I can figure out how to tear open a hole and collpase it. I literally cannot escape no matter how much time passes here because of that shit
>Wow I had no he was so I mean thats just wow
>And so my dear dumb worthless daughter you can play around in hell all you want I dont care about it I dont care about anything except me
>What about mom?
>Hahahah the human? What about her? Yahweh's previous second human corrupted and defiled by me hahaha that must have irked him alot
>Mom was just a tool to piss off God
>And so are you hahahaha I dont create things because Im a good person haahhaha I create things so they do what I want
>So why was I born then dad?
>You will find out when you grow up
>Im 500 years old
>Baby think its eternal
KEK, based anon
>So the boss has called on us huh its been eons since our last meeting
>Imp fricker
>Mammon you
>You frick imps? Eww shame on you
>Sloth I can explain
>What you do imps thats so weird that it fits you Ozzy
>Gluttony I dont need your pity
>Quiet hes here
>Hello my demon lords its been a long time hasnt it
>Lord Satan you are looking fantastic today and
>*demonic voice*:QUIET!
>It looks like you forgot your manners in the time we havent spent Mammon, hehe I always did like that about you
>So um what is it that you need?
>I hate all of you
>But you created us my lord
>Yes and I still hate you
>Well lord Satan if torturing me will make you satisfied then *horny moan* I have no choice
>Glutonny arent you dating someone?
>Oh you mean the hellhound? Oh relax he just a plaything right Lust
>Yh the imp im fricking is just some worthless hole that I rape all the time
>Excellent
>I approve of the malicious schemees but I must say something
>Ok lets here it boss
>I am evil really fricking evil and you know what I hate happiness, joy, compassion, understanding, and above all else hope
>I get what you are saying sir
>My sins you are supposed to be making the lives of everything here horrible and only Mammon is doing his job
>Osmodeus your making products instead of causing sexual trauma you garbage
>I..I wait I can explain
>Gluttony your throwing parties instead of making souls eat themselves into spirtual comas
>But the vibe is all
>And the rest of you dont do anything at all especially you Pride
>Uh boss isnt Pride yo-?
>You are the greatest disgrace of them all Pride
>I am so sorry Lord Satan the greatest in all dimensions
>For that you get erased
>No pleases have mer-
>Holy shit he erased him
>Uh isnt that like cutting off your fingers or something because Pride and Satan as the same gu-
>As you have seen I can end all of you with thought so get off your eternal asses and make this place fricking horrible to exist in
Something compelled my drunk mind to draw the big gay bird not being so sad.
the wealthy sitll teach their kids to fence right?
Anyone know where the frick this clip came from I saw it posted by another anon
Whose the guy beating the shit out of Charlie?
The Player Character from New Vegas.
Hes had enough.
looking forward to more art like this being made once the show Airs
Glad I knew this show was hot garbage from the pilot. To me at least, its obvious why it took some help getting greenlit.
I saw nothing interesting lore wise, the humor was really immature, and while I liked some of the characters...
They came off as a celebration/apologetics for sin and excess imo, but Im also moronic
The premise of Hazbin Hotel would work if the Sinners and the setting was instead inspired by Genesis 6 instead of the hopeless, eternity that is hell itself.
For (LIVING) sinners to find repentance and the humanity that still remains in them.
Would you?
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>only 2 nipples
Yes but it’s not perfect
Demons are fallen angels you fricking moron
>demons are fallen angels
>literally the only one confirmed to be a fallen angel is Lucifer and he looks nothing like anyone else in hell
>hellborn are not angels because it's been establish that they are native to hell itself and have never been to heaven or were born in heaven
>sinners are not angels and are just shitty humans that got turned into furries after they die
Yeah, no.
I just dont care for indie shit anymore.
>Held up at this rennaissance of creativity
>In reality it's just rich kids and nepo babies making stuff to appeal to normies raised on goyslop.
What went wrong?
I hope they use the whole "The most interesting people go to hell" thing to good effect in the show.
There are so many historical and religious figures that could be used in the show for interesting effect.
What about Judas? Or Pontius Pilate?
I'm inhaling copium by convincing myself that maybe the trailer just made the show look shittier then it'll actually be, but the idea that the Angels look exactly the same and act exactly the same as demons because of "they're the same so they have to look the same too duh" is some childishly moronic shit. The Cherubs were unironically a better example because it showed how they contrasted the demons aesthetically but got the point across that they aren't as kind as their appearance without beating you over the head with "SEE! THEY'RE LITERALLY JUST DEMONS WITH WINGS". Oh, and Alastor's new voice without the radio effect sounds bad.
More copium is that since Cherubs are different from the Exorcist and Lucifer is that Viv can make the different Angel types and that Adam is just an exception.
Is Charlie meant to be part dog? Why does she have a dog like muzzle while her parents don't?
According to the wiki she's supposed to look like a doll and is partly inspired by goats and puppies. So your not wrong
>Doll Charlie.
I always got a clown vibe from her, but that makes more sense.
>No posable Charlie Action Figure to compete with the Fizz Doll.
Vivzie just refuted that claim a while ago and basically stated that the wiki is full of non-canon information.
Wouldn't be surprised if at some point someone tells her there is something stuck to her face, wipes it off and she wonders how long that stain has been there
Viv's inconsistency with her series is one of the things I really hate about her writing. Also the fact that she made the Helluva Boss pilot not canon now because IMP barely does any jobs onscreen anymore, and they aren't completely portrayed as morally corrupt buttholes that are opportunistically killing humans for money that would murder a child out of pettiness, with Stolas being a creepy piece of shit. The pilot was funnier.
The goat thing was made up but not the puppy inspiration IIRC which makes sense because it's not just having a black nose but a dog muzzle too since it's pretty defined in her side profile unlike characters with more flat human-like faces.
Ayo so you be saying she a BLACK sista when you look at her from the side?
He said dog, not gorilla
The issue with the wiki is that there are two wiki's. One of them is fairly accurate and canon friendly, the other is a shitshow of random OCs and made up shit. So whenever she claims the wiki is inaccurate, I think she is talking about the shit one
The main wiki that's still fandom run with actual information is pretty solid all things considered...but Viv should really make some kind of official database for characters if she doesn't want people to keep claiming random headcanons to be true.
This and so many cases show that a creator should never have an active online presence. I get there’s need to promote your show but getting vocally mad about criticism, unfiltered opinions, and making public business decisions is brand suicide.
Remember, this all part of the demons plan to reduce your natural warrior instinct to make you easy prey. Do not be enslaved.
Based.
TOTAL DEMON DEATH.
Okay Adam
I will never understand the hatred women have with Adam. He is the first father, naive as he was, he fought the first evils and as guided by Raziel and Michael, he knew the world's destiny.
All he had for all his children was love, sure, flawed love since he was still just a man, but love none the less.
Wish to see a more positive portrayal of the guy.
I wish to see a more positive portrayal of Adam these days as well. Would be refreshing to see, all things considered.
You mean like Adam from RoR
Liberal women hate their fathers, even if they know they are wrong.
SOOOOOOOO TRUEEEEEE!
Calm down Adam
He looks nice and thicc.
No idea who that guy is. But he needs a salad.
If demons walked the Earth, they would definitely take the shape of colorful Tumblr sexy men and Sparklewolves to make Hell and Sins sound hip, only to laugh when you realize too late that they lured you into eternal punishment.
Is it eternal punishment to be surrounded by sparklewolves?
>get turned into a furry after death
>chances of getting eaten alive, blown up, run over, cursed, or killed by other schizos that also turned into furries with demon powers
>having to listen to Kesha for eternity
Is it too late to pray for forgiveness?
For normal people, yes. For furries, they'll turn into picrel onxr the jig is up and rip them to shreds for eternity.
it's a cartoon
All is connected, anon. All is connected.
It all depends on who you work for. Language and attitude doesn't matter. policing behavior results in loss of moral and employees.
This is making me feel things...
>Character actually does things that befit what characters in Hell would do
>Vast majority of the fandom absolutely hates him.
Valentino is based.
Indeed he is, because he's going to be one of the only big characters who are treated as evil, instead of being given a Dindu Nuffin treatment or a shit ton of stereotypical excuses to make them seem less bad than they really are.
Plus, he sexy.
He and Mammon are the kind of bastards you need when a show about hell is full of wussies
She is so hot bros.
The whole point of the series is to show that homosexuality isn't evil. The devils are gay, but the angels are also bad.
I don't like the show only Loona and the furry characters.
I was hoping this thread would still be up. I wanted to post this here because I didn't know where else to put it.
Post more Val, he's sexy.
I NEED him...
Yeesss.
Uncle Adam is being weird again
He needs to be corrected by Lute
Something interesting I want to confess, 6 months ago I created a Alastor tulpa. I was originally doing it as a joke, but I've found myself actually improving as a person as a result. You see while Alastor is an butthole to me, he is somewhat motivational, he congratulates me on my success while also scolding me for my failures. Yet, when he scolds me it only pushes me to become better.
However lately he's become more of a life coach and is suggesting me a dietary plan and a sleeping schedule to increase my work/study performance.
I have no idea how to feel about this, since Alastor is actually my most disliked character, I'm considering removing him because of this
You are playing with dangerous mental trickery, Anon. You could wind with with a Pearl if you are not careful.
Does he appear like a cartoon brought to life, or what he might look if he were real? For what purpose did you bring this illusion to reality?
>Does he appear like a cartoon brought to life
I haven't imposed him, but in my minds eye he does look like his form from the show.
>For what purpose did you bring this illusion to reality?
I mostly just wanted to see if tulpas were real or if it was bullshit, turns out they are very real. But he is really nice to me so it isn't really that distressing for the most part.
I do not understand how it can be made real to you. Perhaps I misunderstood how Tulpas are in their nature, but I thought they were some self-imposed mental illness brought down by ones self.
Tell that Tulpa another wishes to see him in his minds eye, and to come to me
Tulpas are demons. You moron.
Speak quickly.
How does one conjure them?
Rituals and sin.
Rituals such as:
>Magic casting
>Blood exchanges
>Demonic contracts
>Making an Idol
>Dressing up as them
God’s creations are created good, then they fall.
Goddamn, are you friends with the Ghostbusters? You trying to keep them in business or something? Did you know that humans in the know and werewolves are specifically tasked with taking out humans that intentionally frick with the paranormal? They have VOLUNTEER TASK FORCES for that shit.
You literally contacted Demons.
Bro you summoned a demon
You are going to die
That's not how tulpas work, stupid butthole.
How? Tulpas are just entities you create in your mind, there's no rule that they are not allowed to be a life coach to you in some form.
You literally cannot create entities. This shit is not a magical shaving of your psyche, it's fricking self induced schizophrenia.
Tulpas are just modeling behaviour tactics, not literal being talking to you, dumbass.
schizophrenia is a severe neurochemical imbalance that will make your life absolutely miserable and will likely make you have a nice day
a tulpa is a cute thoughtform being you make yourself who will love you and remember shit for you and may also succ your dick depending on how things work out. While also usually encouraging you to do better in life
they're pretty incomparable
>schizophrenia is a severe neurochemical imbalance that will make your life absolutely miserable and will likely make you have a nice day
Exactly, you dumb butthole.
Goddammit Anon, everyone keeps warning you about the tulpas!
Faustanon what the frick.
People who get hired in this industry are largely psychopaths who seethe uncontrollably at the mere idea of something pure and unsullied. They literally cannot bear the idea of anyone having a morality which is why they need everyone to be a grey butthole or have dark secrets or be straight up evil and then define that as a good person 'cause that is the very best definition they can muster of a good person: a psychopath like themselves. This is why all good actions in contemporary media come across as phony, they are phony. The people who write this shit do not believe in anything good.
ok now i'm a little sexually attracted to this version of adam
He's daddy material
Shame on you, ugliness and beauty is not necessarily defined by physique only, and have you seen any actual strongman irl? most of them don't look like schwarzenegger
How come the only fat major characters are villains
Why does Viv hate fat people so much
Projection maybe?
She can villainize them all she wants, she's not gonna make me stop loving them
>Shame on you, ugliness and beauty is not necessarily defined by physique only,
Nah, if something is ugly by choice, that shit isn't worth your time. People who chose to be shit outside are shit inside.
Post body
If you’re so set on your little system of beauty, how di you fit into it?
Nah, find your gay porn somewhere else, homosexual.
Ooh, looks like somebody’s ugly.
How bad is it?
>Why? you aren't being fatphobic aren't you?
Yeah, I kinda am. Fat people are ugly, fragile and normally can't do much.
I hope that it's not just Vaggie, who does this kinda stuff. Maybe she's the only one who decided to stay in Hell but it would be pretty funny if a bunch of Exterminators lie about their kill counts and are in reality just chillin' out waiting until they can go home.
> lie about their kill counts
They cannot lie.
Why?
I want to see naked Lucifer in the show.
Lewd
Woah he looks good.
Adam is not fat. He’s wearing a priest robe.
No!
All demons and by extension sins were angels once, yes? I always assumed their horns were halos broken and fused to their skulls.
What virtue did they have in heaven, I wonder. Were they always evil, or were they corrupted?
>black plastic
>rideable
Oh well
I'd ride it
Literally hell's bicycle
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius
/fgog/ & /fgoalter/ are down the block, Alterabro
A doctrine of devils.
Commandments.
This show is doing for hell what Bernays did for capitalism.
You can go into Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel and talk to ONE character. Whatever you say or do to them, it will have repercussions. Either they'll bring it up or reference it. Who would it be, and what would it be?
So what you're saying is that as long as I don't talk to any of them, I can do whatever I want to them, and it'll have permanent repercussions.
GOOD TO KNOW.
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bigger size
The layering in this show is unbelievably shit, Bento Box isn't high end talent at all, but this is fricking amateur.
Why does the official show look worse in the trailer then the pilot?
Bento Box is animating it, which are the same folks who animate Bob's Burgers, their absolute highest bar is mediocrity.
Also that isn't even the only error in that frame, because they also fricked up the shape of Cherri's head.
So when I made this meme, i noticed how her teeth looked weird. For a moment I thought it was a coloring error but they're just not drawn well. Poorly drawn hots like this are held onto long enough to notice and that's not gonna pay off in the long run.
The flaws in the pilot can be blammed on Viv's personal animation skills being garbage, and lots of other newbies making this their first animation project.
cherri bomb milkers...
If she fricks the Victorian snake, I might forgive Viv for turning HB into a yaoi show.
“I’m Cain I am your b***h” has sent Vivziepop into a cope spiral over swearing.
Do you think this means she might lessen the swearing in her writing after getting laughed at by the internet?
Nah, she’ll double down and remain bitter about it.
Oh my god Is it in her contract that she HAS to be on twitter? Stop using Danidraws to vague tweet and get off already.
Real subtle Vivz..
Swearing is fun viv, but your dialogue and the delivery of most of these lines you write are just horrible.
She's certainly not going to learn anything from this whole ordeal. That lesson being delete your twitter.
My problem with the swearing of helluva boss is that they say frick so many times that you wouldn't even notice when there's supposed to be a joke or not. The hazbin hotel pilot barely has any swearing which is why it's funny when the characters say frick, especially Charlie since she's supposed to be positive and kind. This applies to other characters too, you wouldn't have expected angel dust to say "I can suck your dick" to alastor, it's unpredictable and that's what makes it funny. For helluva boss however, you would know that blitzo's next line would be "christ on a stick" or "frick me in my little red hole"
I just think Brandon's voice is insufferable. Maybe you can pull off a funny well-timed delivery of swearing once every few episodes, but they haven't been able to do that yet.
The funniest thing Blitzo did was trip mid-sentence in the cherub episode. It still makes me laugh just thinking about it.
Stop being spergy over the swearing.
Have a Charlie instead.
I want hugs from her so badly.
You can’t over up the fact you aren’t funny with a bunch of swear words
*cover
Why
It's the same complaint people have always had about her shit. It's tryhard, and there's too much happening too quickly.
And she's never improved because people don't hold her to this. And now she asserts that Hazbin's animation "looks better than ever before!"
How much fricking swearing can this c**t-sucking ass titty munching BEE YATCH shove into one piece of shit dick tickling show!?
What kind of dad is Lucifer to Charlie?
A smart one.
I want to put my wiener in his mouth.
But what about his wife tho
she's hot but her husband is cuter
Understandable
I think Lucifer's leaked audition sheet said he and Charlie used to be close and she got a lot of her optimistic attitude from him. Then I guess something happened and they drifted apart? Frick if I know.
i want to plap Charlie's dad
>MY NAME IS CHARLIE, I AM YOUR b***h
Ha.
>"God, God. It-. Its Lucifer"
>"You... You were right, you were always right"
>"I want to come home"
>Alastor looks at you like this
What would you do?
Tell him it's Charlie he should have eyes for.
quit starin' at me with them big ol' eyes
Stop fricking staring at me disgusting demon scum
I hope Collin gets some kind of redemption
He doesn't truly need one, he already is the best boy
Kill demons. Behead demons. Roundhouse kick a demon into the concrete. Slam dunk a demon baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy demons. Defecate in a demons food. Launch demons into the sun. Stir fry demons in a wok. Toss demons into active volcanoes. Urinate into a demons gas tank. Judo throw demons into a wood chipper. Twist demons heads off. Report demons to the IRS. Karate chop demons in half. Curb stomp pregnant black demons. Trap demons in quicksand. Crush demons in the trash compactor. Liquefy demons in a vat of acid. Eat demons. Dissect demons. Exterminate demons in the gas chamber. Stomp Black person skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate demons in the oven. Lobotomize demons. Mandatory abortions for demons. Grind demon fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown demons in fried chicken grease. Vaporize demons with a ray gun. Kick old demons down the stairs. Feed demons to alligators. Slice demons with a katana.
you missed one
No I didn't.
Demons are sexy.
Yes.
Whenever I see Vaggie's X-eye I think of that gag from the TF2 comics
>Bloody Hell...
>Dear Lucifer, what do you see?
>Not a damn thing. Let's switch places.
YES! TOTAL DEMON EXTERMINATION!
Wait in the leaked auditions it said that Adam was the commander of Heavens military, but if that's so them what happened to Michael? Isn't HE supposed to be the marshal.of heavens armies?
Yeah, is Michael gonna be revealed to be on retirement or something?
Considering how Michael is only second to God Himself and he is supposed to be the chief of the angels, either Viv didn't want to use Michael because he's OP and would body everyone in Hell so she picked Adam instead since he has connections to Lilith...or HH's heaven hierarchy works differently to usual media depictions. If Viv doesn't frick up the writing too hard and this actually gets explored like the different angels, why Adam is an angel while getting to lead the exterminations, and what the Archangels (if Viv is even going to use them) are like. I'm also wondering if Viv does the whole "Michael and Lucifer are twins" thing like most media stories do when they use these two for anything, even though that's not really a thing in the Bible.
Well I'd like some predictions on how he'd fit in in the show, maybe he's on vacation or relegated his military duties to Adam as he has too much stuff to do as God's second in command?
>Michael and Lucifer are twins
They definitely aren't, Lucifer was a seraphim and Michael was a mere archangel,though I don't expect HH to be very biblically accurate considering the cherubim...
considering the leaks do show 2 angels and they're both seraphim, with one of them being Sera whom I'm going to assume is Seraphiel from the book of Enoch
Easy, Vivziepop did piss poor research on Heaven despite her claims.
Seriously, if Vivziepop doesn't do enough research on Hell, she's even worse with it when it comes to Heaven. Adam being in Heaven alone is dumb enough, but Cherubs being on Imps level is incredibly inaccurate as Cherubs in Angelogy are actually the SECOND highest ranked type of angel.
she following Catholic dogma where Cherubs are those cute baby like creatures flying around for fun.
Adam be in heavens and acting as someone important is also part of catholic idea of heavens
Maybe I don't remember about Adam being important because I haven't gone to Church in years now, but Adam and Eve usually aren't the main mortals Catholics talk about. It's usually Mary (especially Mary), Joseph, Jesus' Apostles, guys like King David, Solomon, Abraham, Jacob. I'd argue Cain and Abel are more prominent then Adam, but Viv probably doesn't have knowledge about that and like other people have mention, her ideas are most likely just surface level for whatever she wants to do with her OCs. Her version of hell is literally just the human world with hellborn as practically just humans but with horns.
I had no idea Mormons believed Adam and Michael to be the same person. Well, at least now there's some idea where Viv got her inspiration to make Adam into an angel and doing Michaels job.
She wants to make the figurehead of Heaven's army hateable or something to pull the "Angels bad!" and make her plot work
Remember when the audition sheets were initially leaked and the character descriptions and dialogue were so bad, people were incredulous that they were real? But now here we are.
i'm still coping that the leaks are just rough drafts and the final characterizations are different...yes...i know i'm on military grade cope right now
Is there any info on the release format for Hazbin? I know it comes out January 19th but is it the whole season at once or is it airing weekly?
>a story in which Lucifer has a daughter named CHARLOTTE with Lilith and Cinemaphile for some reason continues to pretend to be outraged with each new change to the myth Viv makes
Shouldn't you guys have checked out when the pilot came out?
>outrage
Criticizing or discussing stuff in the story is something literally everyone does for every form of media they watch. HH isn't any different and doesn't get a pass when something is lame or has bad execution, people here make fun of Viv's inability to write good jokes, making her characters swears like teenagers that just discovered "shit" and "frick", and her underwhelming the worldbuilding and storytelling is. Doesn't help that she keeps going on Xtwitter and making the worst tweets when people make fun of her.
Ok. But why are you so upset over shit like Adam being in charge of heaven's army when just Charlie's existence was a huge red flag that the show wasn't going to be faithful to Christian myth?
Because there's no real explanation yet for WHY Adam is in charge of heaven's armies when there's like dozens of named Angels that could be used, Michael being the most popular in stories. If there is an explanation and it makes sense then that's fine, but right now it's weird that it's Adam.
>my reaction to Adam being in charge of Heaven's army, according to viv
The only logical assumption I can think is that he has three traits that the rulers of hell see as a requirement to command the exorcists
>he is trusted to command a powerful army of heaven
>he has the willpower to see through the slaughter of millions of people every year
>he is considered trustworthy
So he may well be a piece of shit, but he's all they have.
>when your best soldier to command your entire army is the guy that caused this whole mess to begin with
Damn...
does viv not have any sense of shape language or does she think skinny men in suits = evil
Ending of the show.
more Alastor shitposting please
I'm still... baffled that the show has for some reason picked ADAM as the head archangel/villain. Even though that's... usually Michael's role.
>inb4 "it's a reference to Mormons and how they believe Adam and Michael were the same being."
Okay, MAYBE that could work (HH just sort of advocates for the Mormon Afterlife lmao). It's not like Hazho is trying to be 'accurate' to any particular afterlife anyway, but... of ALL the things you could have drawn from the Mormon faith, THAT'S the one you pick? (It's not even exclusive to Mormons. Plenty of people think Enoch the exalted prophet is angelized into Metatron).
Mormons also believe Gabriel was the prophet Noah (they believe all seven archangels had mortal lives/ministries). If HH has Gabriel show up, will they just call HIM Noah too?
It's just such a weird choice to make. Especially when the average viewer most likely won't get the reference and will just be asking, "Wait, shouldn't Michael be running the archangels? What's Adam doing here?"
>t. Mormon
I suspect you are overthinking things. I'd gather the show is taking a fairly surface level interpretation of Christianity and other more esoteric beliefs, more so the kind of information you'd glean from a google search and reading over some Wikipedia article.
deer cherub a cute
>Tit-having b***h.
What did Millie mean when she said this?
I thought she was jealous of her breasts, but in a later episode I think a male character used the same insult? Does anyone remember this?
>the commercial is shit because Alastor made it since he's got 1920s radio brainrot
Is Chaz /ourguy/?
I thought Mammon was /ourguy/?
He wears a Mammon suit.
I don't care what anyone says about season 2, I love this little shit.
I love Collin!
>Be me.
>Die.
>Assume either two things: Absolute nothingness, or the Eternal Pit of Fire.
>Wake up in Pentagon City.
>The Devil has a kid.
>Hell is arranged like a Seven-Ring Circus.
>I look vaguely how I looked in life.
>Some demons sound like celebrities I knew in real life, yet when I bring that up they have no idea who I'm talking about.
>Everyone acts like this is some giant gay broadway musical.
>Folk sometimes just break out into song.
>Keep getting hit on my dudes and they find it weird when I tell them I'm not gay.
>My humor is considered offensive even down here, which is fricking weird because THIS IS HELL.
>Good lord this place fricking SUCKS.
>After a year of this travesty the angels come down.
>Assume they're here for the sinners and to redeem them - eh, wrong.
>They're somehow able to kill the already-dead, and no one can explain to me why.
>Thats it, I've had enough.
>On my hands and knees I approach the Angels, begging for either release from this Big Gay Circus or total dissolution at the hands of their blades.
>They've fulfilled their quota for the year, and are eager to go home - even as I clutch onto one of their legs, they refuse me, finding it hilarious that I suffer.
>I beg them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>I'm being recorded by demons on their stupid HellPhones, and as the Angel tries to fly back up to Heaven, I'm still holding on.
>Get kicked off about three miles up.
>Tiny little dot goes splat.
>Be three months later.
>In the hospital
>Full body cast.
>Immobile.
>Insurance.
>A Demonic Nurse who seems to have taken an interest in me(for some damned reason I'm sure) is tending to me, when suddenly she breaks out into song.
>Mfw
Kekd
You kek'd.
I'm trapped in Hell: The Broadway Musical, and you're keking.
Oh I think I get it now, hell is meant to be infinite suffering, so hell as depicted in hazbin/helluva boss must be that guy's worst suffering.
>Be in the hospital.
>Male nurse is hitting on me and I can't get away.
>Female nurse is hitting on me and can't get away.
>Doctor telling me I'm going to have to work off this expensive expensive bill.
>I look out the window and see people dying in the streets, being murdered to death.
>The television here is a lazy rip-off of what we got up there.
>Its stuck on some version of Spongebob Squarepants, clearly in the middle of its season rot.
>Oh god. Demonic Squidward's toenail scene.
>I hear a commotion outside my door.
>The doctors have broken out into song again.
>I try and shut it out but they burst into my room and begin dancing all over me.
>One rebreaks my leg as he does a flying kick.
>"Your New Home" begins to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gZdE5dimMg
>I'm staring outward as I begin to accept the maddness of the world i've come to inhabit.