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Well color me shocked, its not just vaporware.
Its just still really cringe.
Every now and then I see one of these friends, and I just have to wonder: Is the fanbase SO starved for shitty deviantart OCs, that they're this invested in a show that isn't even out yet?
It's the only western animation that looks appealing designe wise to me
>Also it seems Bosco is still voicing Alastor
I'll be damned, is that middle eastern guy just the singing voice then?
Actually nvm I just watched the clip and that doesn't sound like Bosco at all to me.
>Not Bosco
I was holding onto hope Bosco would still be voicing him. Sounds dang close to him to me
I'm just going by my ears' first instinct but it sounds a lot more like Amir Talai to me (ignore the AD pic in the video link). I remember Bosco's Alastor being more nasally.
>I can hear it now too
I seriously can't believe the ENTIRE cast got replaced.
That’s just how the Vivzie blarts.
unions gotta union
Michael Kovach said it wasn't a union thing when he revealed he got axed
How does he feel about being replaced?
Not good, obviously. He worked hard to promote the show and interact with fans a lot which generated money for them to make the series and even work on Helluva Boss and was kicked to the curb because his voice was never what Viv wanted for the character.
Now I almost feel bad for him and worse for the other original main cast. Kovach at least has fricking Rocky to fall back on. Bosco is stick doing shitty helluva characters and what do the main female leads have to look forward to now?
Mick and Stamper can eat a dick, and Joe…
What a complete and utter betrayal, don’t trust anyone that wants to put satan in a sympathetic light.
>Muh Satan
Okay, pol boomer.
Bitch, he literally hates you and wants to doom you for eternity.
I mean, Biblically-speaking, Satan was just God's prosecuting attorney who fell for unknown reasons, particularly when God became more portrayed as good and less like a violent war god, so seems more like a scapegoat situation.
Lucifer was a prideful man who saw himself as greater than the heavens, but he was just a human being with a Light Yagami-style god complex.
Popular culture conflates those two into the same character, so at least Viv got it right that they're separate, even though her version of Lucifer is more of a combination of Satan's background and Lucifer's personality.
t. high school dropout
Don't feel too bad for Michael, his voicing of N in Murder Drones is doing him ten times better than working for Vivzie ever would. The guy deserves all the recognition he's currently getting, and honestly I much prefer his voicework for N than I ever did the gay spider. Glad he's working for people that actually appreciate him now.
That is good. I hope all the talent this treacherous b***h managed to scrape together falls through her tubby, greedy fingers like it apparently is with that help wanted post on twitter.
Her greed and lust for power and fame will be her downfall in the end. It’s already happening. She can’t even help herself to not get involved with drama. She tried to tear down Lackadaisy with a nothing burger the other day. She will only be more hated from here.
..Honestly? I'd rather frick N than the Haram Spider. N's voice is cute, Angel Dust makes me want to curbstomp him.
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Fair point
I hate Vivzie and her shit like you wouldn't believe but can you stop shilling your shitty show in unrelated threads
How is this shilling or tribegayging you oversensitive Black folk. Do you have a y idea what those words mean? This is like a repeat of Helluva and Hazbin thread lurkers using "fujo" wrong you fricking morons. Anon wasn't even tribing or shilling beyond saying Kovach was treated like shit by Vivzie and is doing better with other work, which is literally just stating facts.
Some people on this thread got their panties in a bunch.
Plot twist, they are femboys.
I don't care, shill.
You wanna keep going with this moronic tribegayging bullshit?
>Bosco is stick doing shitty helluva
Well at least Bosco gets work in non-indie video games and animu.
Yes, that too. What do the Charlie and Vaggie og vas have? What about Katie Killjoy, is she a one-time antag?
Hazbin is a musical. Viv axed everyone who couldnt sing, which was almost everyone. The choice of having separate singers in the pilot was weird.
>The choice of having separate singers in the pilot was weird
When exactly did it become a bad thing to have separate singing and speaking voices as long as they sound reasonably similar? The biggest fricking animation studio on the planet did it with all of their most beloved musicals and it worked beautifully.
Only morons that don’t know shit about this sort of thing think it’s a bad thing so don’t worry about it.
It’s more common than you think. There’s a lot of instances where a character’s given a normal speaking VA and a singing VA. Naturally has to be hard to notice as you can’t have a deep-voiced character suddenly sing like his balls are being twisted.
How so? It's quite common.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NonSingingVoice
The pilot only happened because Viv employed across the board people she could not hire in a union project
Michael Kovach himself confirmed on Twitter that’s not the case, some of the VA cast were SAG minus him and maybe others who I don’t know. He would have spent the money to sign up and Viv has the producer power to help him join but she and/or other higher ups decided to drop him.
I thought you couldn’t do that?
Like, isn’t that exactly why Billy & Mandy dude’s Dead Meat got shelved?
If Bosco was really replaced as Alastor, that would make him seem like a bit of a loser for staying with Viv and continuing to work on Helluva.
The industry works on relationships. Not burning bridges was a smart move and as much as it sucks to swallow your pride, getting mainstream credits on a supposedly televised show is something he can parlay into better future opportunities. It’s uncomfortable and probably stings a bit, but it’s a smart play.
>The industry works on relationships
I hear sucking dicks is a good way for non talented people to jump up the ladder
I don’t know about that. You only hear about it when it works.
I'm sure he would find roles elsewhere if he departed from Viv and her sphere of influence.
I would have cut ties with her.
why cant vivziepop fricking die
im gonna explode her head with my truecel rage
Do it anon, psychically obliterate her
>another "we b***h about vivzie" thread
imagine spending your life being angry about free youtube vids
Hi Viv!
Not Vivize, she thinks you need an account to use Cinemaphile.
i'm not viv, i'm anon
cool. they're making cartoons for free
the only time i was ever on twitter was less than a month in 2020. stay mad
>It's free, therefore you shouldn't criticize it
kys
Let's be real about "It's free".
It is not, and here's why:
To produce an episode vivzie needs money to pay her employees, that money comes from merch sales and her patreon (as well as some other minor sources).
To get that money you need people to buy/suscribe to your content.
To get people to do so you need to create content that they like and have them invest in you in exchange for more of this content.
By having people buy your merch and subscribe to you; they are paying for Helluva Boss; and those who don't buy nor subscribe "pay" by doing free advertising (like talking about the show; sharing it, etc), so very much everyone who deals with the show in some regard is doing something to keep the ball running.
If the people lose interest in said content after investing time and or money on it, they are entitled to an opinion.
And you, as content creator are expected to meet the consumer's demands in terms of quality if you really want to keep recieving money/advertisement from them.
Works the same with Movies and real TV shows. Yhea the company makes all the spending and gets paid by advertisment (like product placement contracts n shit), but companies who paid said advertisement only do it if the content is expected to do well; and guess what, it will only do well if people like it. Movies being an "exception" since you are paying for a ticket.
To me it looks more like you are afraid of having your own opinion on something because you wouldn't be able to defend your position, so instead you run with the heard and let them defend you.
And I just noticed I replied to the wrong comment, fricking kill me.
I dislike her as a person. And I hate all her friends.
Go back to X you worthless homosexual. Nobody wants you here.
I’m an Incel and I like vivzie tho i am also a major chud
I'm not an incel, but I can relate to them. Been looking for a good girlfriend for the past 10 months and have absolutely nothing to show for it. I am perpetually seething, my ego is nonexistent, and I have to see a therapist every week to keep myself sane. The only women I can get on dating apps as a 6.5/10 guy are ugly or mediocre, and there are few places to ask women out offline.
>Lucifer's entire design and persona is about being this theatrical circus ringleader who likes showtunes
>Viv has said before she imagines Lucifer with Weird Al's voice, even though she was never gonna get him for the show proper I'd imagine she'd strive for something similar
>he's singing a pop song and sounds like a 20 year old tiktok twink who's younger than Charlie
What the absolute frick
I’m glad Weird Al said no. Wish everyone else did the same
>this entire description
This whole production needs to burn
This anon will forever be a Cinemaphile legend. He leaked like 80 shows in two threads on the same day.
I was genuinely pissed when israelites articles said his Superman leaks, which are now 100% proven to be real in the actual show, were leaked to Reddit and discord instead of here
moron-kun, if the character designs and mannerisms and the writing and the fricking fanbase didn't clue you in, THIS IS A ZOOMER ZOOM SHOW FOR ZOOM ZOOMERS. This is made for normie 20 y.o. girls with pronouns and colorful hair and daddy issues to clap and get excited about. It's not for fat jaded cartoon nerds with mommy issues like you.
But complaining is fun!
The pilot and even HB have actual proper showtunes (Alastor's song and Ozzy's song).
I am okay with gays and shizos and most other shit but god I fricking hate tiktok users with all my being, so I hope that his true personality is something like what
is talking about.
>That description
>Was hoping Luc would be against it based on the fact that Charlie called her mom and not her dad in the pilot, and that Charlie being the Princess of Hell and so nice is a far cry from regular demonic activity
>Another “le good guy/misunderstood Lucifer” story— Lucifer is a zany guy who just wants what’s best for humanity
May this show crash and burn.
>and that Charlie being the Princess of Hell and so nice is a far cry from regular demonic activity
This isn't only a stupid direction for Lucifer to take, but it also actively damages Charlie's character too, a major part of her appeal is being nice, caring, and optimistic in Hell.
If Lucifer is like what the sheet says, Charlie is instantly less unique of a character.
If there's one thing I hate about Satan's depiction in fiction, it's that everyone gets him completely wrong:
>The Torah (or for Christians, the Old Testament): Satan isn't evil, but acts as God's narc/prosecutor. He's the Angel who wears the "bad guy hat" and exists to offer the choice of evil, the OG shoulder devil. He's one of God's important creations, and is depicted as prideful. "Satan" is also a title shared by other Angels and creations of God.
>The New Testament: expanding on the above concept, Satan is now an Angel of God who rebelled against him, was defeated by Michael, and has no actual power, all he can do is tempt, and he'll only be "strong" when the end of the world happens, but even then he's doomed to fail and be cast in the lake of fire forever. Christians also now give Satan the name of Lucifer. Satan and the other Angels don't despise God, but specifically humanity, hence why he tempts them.
>Modern fiction: WHAT IF SATAN WAS TRAGIC AND MISUNDERSTOOD AND RIGHT AND SYMPATHETIC
>Modern fiction: WHAT IF SATAN ACTUALLY LIKED HUMANITY
>Modern fiction: WHAT IF SATAN ACTUALLY HAD POWER
>Modern fiction: WHAT IF SATAN WAS LIKE JESUS
>everyone gets him completely wrong
Which is what makes it so hilarious to see!
More like frustrating. I would love to see a story that contrasts the israeli and Christian Satans, the former being a prideful but loyal divine prosecutor who offers the choice of evil to humans and test them on God's behalf, while the latter is a seething powerless crybaby living on the streets who can do nothing beyond tempting, all while hating humanity and still thinking he did nothing wrong.
Yeah iirc the whole point of Lucifer/Satan is that he refused to bow to Adam and is seething over humanity all this time. "He actually liked humanity and gave them free will as a gift!!!" is revisionism, he did so to frick with God's creation.
It's even more frustrating because the Torah makes it very clear that humanity always had free will: the serpent bore the title of Satan (acting as an instrument of God) to offer the choice to do wrong, which is how Adam and Eve were banished. israeli thought on God makes it very clear that humans have free will despite having a destined beginning and end, as God does not know the individual choices a person will make. Hence why God banished Adam and Eve: he knew he would have to banish them, he just didn't know HOW.
"Refused to bow to Adam"? Adam and Satan never interacted. The serpent was just a crafty serpent.
The idea of the serpent being Satan largely comes frtom Paradise Lost. But Biblically the serpent was just a crafty talking serpent God created, nothing more.
Except Lucifer wasn't even Satan in the Bible. Satan was God's prosecuting attorney who fell for unkown reasons when God started being portrayed as more "good guy" and less "malevolent war god". Lucifer was just a pridefil human ruler with a Light Yagami-level God complex.
Lucifer and Satan are not only not the same person, they aren't even the same species.
ok i understand lucifer is like a fallen angel and maybe just wants to keep himself looking and sounding young because it's good but... damn.
Maybe, but honestly given what build up this character has and the fact that Viv said HH would be more "serious" this REALLY doesn't work. Once again. What is the point of this being in Hell?
Being able to say heaven and god bad.
What the frick is it with Hazbin or Helluva and leaks?
Free and easy marketing.
They starve the community so much that they have no choice but to leak
This, we've went two months without a tweet from the Hazbin twitter account (That was just posting meaningless GIFs) and the infomation we have that people actually care about (Cast list, how many episodes which we only figured out from copyright, steaming network, and release date) has been more under wraps than any show I know about in recent memory.
It's hard to feel bad about minor leaks like this when A24 isn't giving us jackshit.
How do you guys think Lucifer's personality will turn out to be?
read the leak
Just read it, that sounds pretty wholesome, i think i am gonna like him.
>Satan
>wholesome
No
If God is real, why does Vivziepop exist?
Check mate atheists.
She’s an agent of satan, you can’t change my mind.
She deserves excommunication for this blatant betrayal. Judas will just be a misunderstood, fat, unfunny artist in either of these shows, I’m sure.
God gave us free will & unfortunately since EVE ate the fruit first, we've been stuck with people knowingly doing evil. Vivzie is the same way. A fat middle class woman who came from a normal home now doing everything to spite her family because they made her go to church every weekend. So we a have two shows that are gonna ultimately boil down to a "demons are just misunderstood & God is the real villain" message that misses the whole point of the premise of her own show for one. Worse yet is that moral implications of what she's doing by essentially promoting more debaucherous hedonism. I'd pray she'd have a wake up call but it's probably too late for her to realize what she's doing is wrong.
Are there... Christians interested in this stuff? I am one but I'm just lurking in the threads of the show that virtually everyone hates
I was. I thought the pilot had potential & I liked where the premise could go. But then Helluva Boss went from demons assassinating evil people for reasons to just gay relationship drama & making the rulers of the circles of hell just misunderstood leaders who don't indulge in the worst aspects of their sins. It misses the whole point of demons being demons. Then just everything with Vivzie & the things she publicly tweets about with her politics. I have no hope for the show if it ever does come out.
>Viv makes hell
>It only has a bunch of horny gay people.
W-what did she mean by this bros?
Like I said, it's not her being accidentally based. It's just that she wants to portray hell as good because it's "true freedom" while making heaven authoritarian.
>Christians
I mean, there are probably at least a few in the audience.
Anybody who knows a bit of Christian theology would probably laugh their asses off if they read the lore of the "Hellaverse" and saw how the demons are depicted in these shows. It's so ridiculous that it's funny!
Even better when Viv claims that she "knows the demonology"
I don't think Viv is middle class or just "normal." Her family has gotta be rich.
Upper middle class at best. Otherwise the shows would be out by now & with multiple long running seasons.
Would you like it better if he was some boomer father who tried to control Charlies life so he could make her into a evil demon or something generic like that.
Yes. I’m sick of all this gay shit and woobified literal demons from hell. Aren’t you?
But Hazbin already has evil characters like Alastor, Valentino and Vox.
>Alastor
You and I both know he's gonna be Stolas-ified.
Yes.
When you borrow a setting and characters and literally turn everything from the setting to the characters into complete opposites of their actual source where the end product only shares the names of the setting/characters and nothing else.
What even is the point of using them instead of doing a 100% original story?
Yeah that’s more in line with who he is. Lucifer is an butthole, hell is a bad place with/for bad people.
And that’s the thing, in both Hazbin and HB, hell in a lot of scenes is shown as very run down, and very shitty. Only the rich have nice looking places.
So basically hell could be interpreted to be like irl but even worse? Idk. The tones are confusing.
It’s shows what Viv and the rest consider to be hell and the epitome of evil.
Yes
This isn't a vivzie thing but I hate how every modern piece of media, including and especially anime, tries to be subversive by making every authoritarian, leader or villain unexpectedly non-threatening and weak. For anime it's always fricking kids, girls or other shit, or clowns or something. I am tired of it and actually want real buttholes again. It's hell. I just want the leaders of hell to be more than tiktokers.
That said I am still looking forward to the show, but feel like it will only work well if there are contrasts. This is why I like Crim and Striker too, they are actually and genuinely hostile throughout the show so far. I guess I would like the gag Lucifer more if it was a different type of joke. I enjoyed Bastard!!'s Satan because that fricker was at least a legit crazy fricker with bondage fetish, but "tikok" is just shitty normalgay territory.
Every time I see a fictional version of the Devil, I inevitably end up comparing him to either the SMT Lucifer or the Vertigo Lucifer. By and large, they all fall short. But the more I hear about Vivzie's ideas about gay-friendly, trans-friendly Hell and the absolute clown that is Adam the more I miss generic evil demon dads like Trigon.
Modern media contrives villains to be ineffective because it's a symptom of how writing standards and quality have fallen across the board:
>nobody will hire the talented writers who've honed their craft because that would mean paying them what they're owed (a livable wage)
>nobody is able to teach how to write since creative writing classes have been cut from campuses
>the wealthier places that do teach it are filled with faculty who aren't equipped to teach it whatsoever
>the people learning how to write are raised in sheltered spoiled homes and go to school as maladjusted young adults who do nothing but consume media instead of experiencing life
So the end result is writers crafting villains by badly copying the villains they grew up on (and failing to hone their craft since they fail to grow as people), and taking inspiration from the few life experiences they have involving enemies (bullies, exes, parents), except they're not mature or wise enough to write anything beyond selfish egocentric immature wish fulfillment
The other reason has to do with neoliberalism: many writers today are from wealthy communities, who see anything that could pose a threat to the status quo as dangerous and wrong: whether the antagonist is right-wing or left-wing, they will ALWAYS be made to be evil, non-threatening, incompetent or weak or ineffective in some way. It doesn't even matter if the antagonist is also the authority, since they'll be framed as a "bad authority" vs "our GOOD authority" (or lack thereof)
>the people learning how to write are raised in sheltered spoiled homes and go to school as maladjusted young adults who do nothing but consume media instead of experiencing life
I can relate to this– my plans for a novel were shitty before the onset of my depression. Even though it fricked over my life, the experience gave me good ideas for a compelling story. I've heard that creative ability is correlated with depression, and I can understand why now.
I'm hoping you're doing better these days then.
There's a very good reason why most authors worth their salt either started out as teenagers or began late in life: it's best to crank out ALL the godawful shit writing when you're a kid, or to start writing well as an older adult once you've matured and become a well-rounded person (and hopefully have taken in media from a wide avenue of life).
My advice for young people interested in writing is to read often and experience life. Take up new hobbies, make new friends. Exercise, eat well. Learn a new craft or skill (for writing creative fiction, I'd suggest linguistics/coding/psychology/history). Travel. Push yourself outside your comfort zone. Get comfortable with slow yet meaningful progression.
>I'm hoping you're doing better these days then.
Thanks. I'm not doing better currently, but I have a little hope things will improve.
>it's best to crank out ALL the godawful shit writing when you're a kid, or to start writing well as an older adult once you've matured
I agree. I'm glad I started writing at 25. I would have been a mediocre writer if I had started in my teens or early 20s.
You know, when writing, I'm finding that my own life was so sheltered that it hampers my writing, and I'm not in a position to experience life so I can improve on it.
I guess I have bigger problems, or I should simply try to find an angle from which to write, but I guess self awareness of one's flaws is important in this case.
As someone who was raised sheltered, what really helped my writing was learning to be more present and listen to people. Start up conversation and pay close attention to how other people talk, what they do and say. Observe people in public (just don't be a creep about it, duh). Really focus on everything you do in the moment. Really live for the moment, and remember that other people, and everything is precious. Not everything you do will be a "perfect day", but as long as you stay committed to healthy habits and go to sleep fulfilled, you'll be all the better for it. Self-help books are a meme, but Leil Lowndes' How To Talk To Anyone really worked for me in this regard.
Did you really have to share this? Now the animator is gonna get fired
If he didn't want it shared then he shouldn't have listed it publicly
>Wholesome Satan
I hate Vivzie dicksuckers.
Then he shouldn't have uploaded a leak onto his youtube channel where his full name is listed
Good. Not our fault it was released and now shared.
What is it with Viv's animators who keep doing something like this every few months?
I suspect Viv burns a lot of bridges and her personality is very entitled and egotistical.
She’s one of those types that no matter how many times she ruins herself and her opportunities. She’ll blame everyone around her but herself.
Good
how to not get fired from your animation job
>when uploading a test video to youtube, set it to private instead of public
>alternatively, don't upload videos to youtube for a project you are working on that has yet to see any official content released
At this point I am expecting someone to release an entire episode by accident any day now
>Bosco is union so there was literally no excuse to replace him other than Viv or A24 wanting Z-list theater actors to sing their crappy songs
It's gonna be such a kick in the nuts if Ed voices some extras in HH like how he's currently voicing every other minor character in HB.
Its also possible this is a fake leak.
Either way, Alastor's voice in this leak sounds was too Irish
And who would take the time to make something so cringe to not get paid for it?
It'd be funny if this was a fake leak because it means the one potential update people have on Hazbin Hotel is a fricking lie.
This fandom and the staff are too used to lies at this point. Would it really bd that funny?
You underestimate the length people will go to cause a shit stir.
This is way more elaborate than, say, the grinch leak
>Alastor's voice in this leak sounds was too Irish
Wut
I wouldn’t be as disgust filled to the blonde blob if she didn’t use the old staff to milk them for money for years
LuciBlack folk in the grave tonight
The new voice for Alastor sounds....pretty lame, tbh.
I would very much prefer a more raspy voice for Lucifer. Even for someone supposedly angelic and ideal this sounds way too young. Something more akin to this.
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Provided this is legit, Alastor’s new voice isn’t /terrible,/ but he needs the radio filter, otherwise it’s not Alastor no matter who plays him.
100% the filter is being added later and the voices we are hearing lack any real effects
I wanna hear the rest of the song
That's Lucifer?
No wonder he is a loser and God wanted him bow down to Humans.
You've suffered another leak?
I can't get over on how crap Lucifer's song sounds so far.
Yeah nah, that's definitely Bosco, just without any radio filters and EQs on his voice.
Do we know any background on these leaks, where they came from, and so on?
that's not Bosco, he's probably Amir Talai...
What the frick are you talking about did you have a stroke?
Holy schizo
The bottom of the second clip reads "HAZB0105 DAD BEAT DAD"
0105 == S1:E5, and that lines up with what is seen in the copyright catalog, and the episode being named "Dad Beat Dad":
>https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=Hazbin&Search_Code=TALL&PID=ujcNoJiZ50X3tE_sfhe2GBoo1Zi-3s&SEQ=20230901164404&CNT=25&HIST=1
So I don't think these leaks are fake based off of that alone.
Then of course you have viv firing all the VAs in the pilot (picrel), imdb making an oopsie and accidentally leaking the release date for S1:E1 (Oct. 2, 2023), etc etc.
Thanks Vivienne. Show us your bellybutton.
>Vivzie Judas betrays friends (recasting)
>her employees betray her (leaks)
Poetic
Knowledge of the names of the episodes for the first season has been public for quite some time now, ergo we can't assume the presence of these codes and names lends credibility to this leak being true
THIS SUMMER!
Oh, wait.
They meant summer in the southern hemisphere.
Waking up in the morning feeling like Viz poppy.
>Murrican made
>Murrican show
>Murrican creators
>lol aussie time m8
yeah nah c**t
>Murrican made
false
>Murrican creators
false
>lol aussie time m8
true!
San Fran is no longer a part of America because it fell into satan’s domain. In which case it’s summer all year.
Viz is an honorary aussie cause her life is heading down under lmao.
good one, anon
a real knee slapper
I’m just thinking about what excuses they’ll try to pull out their asses.
Getting all the breakfast cause my gut rumblies won’t stoppy.
That's a goverment site dude, i really doubt that some regular dude would be able to put that kind of shit there and with so many details just to troll
I wasn't discounting the names of the episodes. I was stating that the public knowledge of the episode names, which has been true for the last several months, means anyone could take those names and use it to create a fake "whatever".
Ergo the presence of a episode code or name in this leak does not lend credence to it being true. I'm not discounting that the leak may be genuine, but that the number code or episode name is not sufficient proof.
Of course every single time I have expressed caution at believe a leak, the leak turns out to be 100% true.
Is the episode airing on October? There’s zero promotion for it
I hope not
I do not think it's coming in early October.
It's September 22nd and there has been no trailer, no cast list, no announcement of what platform it will be on. Even if it comes eventually, they dropped the ball so hard.
It’s over.
I highly doubt IMBD made an oopsie and leaked the release date. People have been putting fake release dates on that for a while. And if somehow that info is correct and it is releasing then, it will likely fail because there's no way it will be able to drum up enough promotion in 2 weeks, unless they want it to fail.
people have been posting fake IMDB/Netflix/HBOMax/Disney shit for years, so I'd wager your correct in that its just another fake.
Is she not happy that random strangers online want to stuff her like a hog?
Lol look at them coming out of the woodwork like furgays defending their kin. Feels 2005, man.
This is eternal souls we’re talking about.
Furry.
>Schizo babble
Furries.
Anti-furry
From the short clips, Lucifer sounds a bit like Zeno Robinson. But it’s just 2 seconds of audio so it might be someone else. I’d assume Vivzie would want a bigger actor for him.
Viv said ages ago she wanted Weird Al for him. Clearly that didn't happen.
How the frick does she expect to pay him continually? He has to be a rarely used character. Glad he said no to the fat she demon. I can’t imagine Lucifer sounding like fricking Weird Al anyway.
Fat she-demon?
You’re terminally online
Yes. Fat she-demon. Pure italian grease monster who lies and sellsout with Arby’s meat flaps coming from both of her holes.
I'm glad someone finally put their foot down and told Viv "no, you can't have that."
What are your yiffstar accounts lol
I have never heard of that site until you named it, you could've said e621 or Furaffinity, but instead you named some literal who furry site, is there something you want to tell us anon?
@feefifofrickfatties
it’s a fat fetish account
>furries
>such newbies they don't even know yiffstar
lmao
You got something to tell us, Anon?
>If I call everyone I'm "trolling" a newbie everyone will forget that I inexplicably know about a furgay site!
i'm an actual furry and I have literally never heard of that site before
Has Vivzieputin tweeted out her tantrum over this yet?
Naw, she’s sticking to her resolution to (mostly) stay off social media. All activity has been retweets of fan art and project hype but no personal commentary on anything which is honestly for the best.
Most of her personal commentary stuff is on Blueky now, like her laughign at people saying Moxxie was OOC un Unhappy Campers because "they've clearly never met a theater kid before"
She still rants, it's just more well-hidden.
>she hides her sperg-outs on bluesky
clever hog
I don’t think Viz has ever met a theater kid.
>theater kid
Can someone please explain what that is supposed to mean? Because, judging by Viv, being a theater kid is being an obnoxious pretentious fop.
>the show is FRICKED because all seven seconds of footage from someone's portfolio were accidentally posted
C'mon guys we still don't have a cast list or release date in sight. Frankly the leak doesn't spoil anything except Luci's voice.
>being a theater kid is being an obnoxious pretentious fop.
Yeah that's what they are. Moxxie was being an obnoxious pretentious fop. It's just that the writing warped itself to overexaggerate those traits.
>C'mon guys we still don't have a cast list or release date in sight. Frankly the leak doesn't spoil anything except Luci's voice.
You might want to kick the stool now.
I worded it poorly but I meant there are bigger deals about the show's lack of info, including how the release date keeps getting pushed back and we know frick all about the new cast. The clips didn't really say anything new and weren't even finished. If it was like a full trailer that said the release date was September 15th, not THAT would be juicy.
Anon, the show finished production months ago
Yes. I know. Hence
> there are bigger deals about the show's lack of info, including how the release date keeps getting pushed back and we know frick all about the new cast
Someone accidentally posting portfolio stuff isn't a big deal. The fact that the show has been done and watchable since March but there's been zero marketing is the bigger red flag here.
Does Vivzie even have any control over the release?
No, it's usually up to the network/platform. Which I think points towards the theory that they can't find someone to air/stream the show being right.
Not even Apple TV+?
HH was picked up by A24 right before the western animation industry got gutted and tossed out, with everyone suddenly going for remakes, sequels or pre-school stuff it's not surprising if they can't find a platform.
Considering Vivzie wanted Hazbin to be on TV from the beginning
Man did she end up backing the wrong horse
I think they were originally slated to be streamed on HMax. Then Zaslav Zaslaved all over those plans, HMax is no more, Max+ or whatever the frick it is has no contractual obligation to stream it and Z-bag hates animation, so A24 is kind of stuck holding the bags.
Then why would anyone want to be one or be around one? Viv is going 'lol lmao you've never been around a theater kid' like it's a good thing.
Given the stories I've heard from a friend (the theater kids she knew would never shut the frick up about Hamilton/Heathers making it their personalities) I think you get it.
Did you ever know a really god damned annoying kid in school who was way too chipper in the morning, would obnoxiously sing on the bus during school trips or recite entire fricking scripts from a moronic movie, prided themselves on being 'le different', and would put stickers on shit that said moronic crap like "I'm not crazy, I'm just 'stage ready'" or something?
That's a theater kid. It's like how the band geek isn't necessarily actually any good at music, the theater geek isn't necessarily good at acting...they just use their love of theater as a replacement for having a real personality...and that manufactured personality is annoying as shit.
Whats funny about that is that people's main defense of that episode (at least on TvTropes) believed that the reason Moxxie was acting so out of character was because we "saw it" through Millie's lens as it was supposedly focused on her.
Then Vivzie comes out and literally admits it's a Moxxie episode, undercutting any potential it might have had to be a Millie episode.
Funny stuff, really. Also, considering Vivzie is a theater kid too, isn't she making fun of herself and half of her audience?
>Tweening
It’s over
Cope
Oh HE said no, I misread that. Now you’ve got me horny for a literal Italian she-nurgle that’s not Vivzieblob
lmao the fur- and newhomosexualry
Why did that one basedjak copypasta rustle you so much
I love him!
>Gacha child is back
Ofc the underaged Alastor fangirl would think Viv’s shit is unironically good.
But it IS good! And the boys…Viv’s artstyle…..especially Alastor? *drools* @_@
Lucifer's voice sucks ass
Don’t you all get it? Heaven is for uptight bigots, Hell is for people who are different- people who are looked down on for not fitting the mold and people who are oppressed. Hell is Le heckin’ awesome place for quirky people who don’t fit in to party their asses off and vent about their feelings. Satan is a misunderstood, well meaning person who wants people to have fun! Hell is a have for LGBTQWTF people to party their asses off with outsiders, Heaven is hateful!
Heaven is Le facist, Hell is Le good.
Vivzie wants to go to hell and take the LGBTQWERTY people with her for an awesome party that includes Kesha music and party drugs.
Good for Viv! I hope she can finally go to Hell, soon! Slay sister!
Viz may not take too long compared to the other satanists. As she’s a few burgers and tacos and pasta dishes away to dropping like a fly from Beelzebub’s ass.
Wow. Now I really do want Alastor to slaughter everyone in hell and turn it into a barren wasteland.
You know what? Hazbin no longer interests me, it’s probably a lost cause at this point. Something else should be made into a show.
Twokinds as a show would probably be cool if you fixed the story a bit.
Whats Twokinds?
A neat webcomic, look it up.
Furshit, ignore.
A furshit comic notable only for being made by Markiplier's brother
There's no way anyone still believes this is coming out
Do you guys actually watch this? I thought it was only a r34 thing. We all love demons. So i thought the artists online tried to draw them as much as possible for publicity.
I d have been but Helluva Boss has really fallen off lately, Vic is turning out to be a huge butthole who is now resorting to trying to tear down other projects with stupid drama (Lackadaisy) and now I’m becoming very uninterested in HB and Hazbin.
The funniest bit about the Lackadaisy thing is that, a fricking day prior to Vivz passive-aggressively posting about how "Oh well, I guess Lackadaisy doesn't want my money, whoopsie, teehee", Lackadaisy's creators talked about how some donations ended up not going through properly because people either typo'd their credit card details, didn't have enough cash in the bank, or fricked up in some other way.
That statement they put out was half true. Some people were having issues with giving donations but at the same time, it was also cover for what was about to go down between them and Viv.
The people who work under Lackadaisy used to work under Viv, and they do not like her because of how much of an butthole she was as a boss. And with everything that has happened so far surrounding Viv and with how people have been saying how much of a b***h she is a for a long time, I believe what the Lackadaisy crew is trying but also not trying to allude to (so that no more drama is stirred) and I completely understand why they don’t want Vic’s name in the credits. She can go frick off and keep crying about it, lol.
The Lackacrew also stated in their discord at some point that they told Viv repeatedly before she made the donation, that they would decline if. She did it anyway to cause drama because she was butthurt. Why am I taking the Lackacrew’s word 100% for this as well?
Because of how Viv has treated this whole situation, her attitude and actions make it 100% believable.
Ya got screencaps of the Lackadaisy crew saying all of that in their Discord?
Here’s a screencap. This is the important part out of the wave of drama that was occurring at the time. The other half of the drama that wasn’t really related was that one of the artists on the crew (Ze) was being accused of being transphobic. Which turned out to be a nothing burger (trans members of the Team are cool with him) and everyone moved on.
Now this is where I was wrong, I misremembered. Viv had already made the donation pledge to be listed as a “Producer” in the credits. But Lackacrew told her to rescind the donation. She refused. And so Tracy herself declined the donation, which led to Viv immediately complaining about it online.
Intredasting, that. I only occasionally look at these threads, and I've never seen or heard this before. That really comes off as the Lackadaisy crew preferring to stay far away from Vivz and not having her grubby fingers listed as a producer.
It's another thing that adds to the pile of "there might as well be some genuine bullshit going on", which is mostly fueled by leaks happening all the time.
Vivs was caught talking a lot of shit about their director before she donated. Screenshots leaked. Instead of apologizing she made a grand donation (and of course tweeted about making said donation). It was guilt money. By accepting the cash it would be like the crew accepted an apology which was never actually formally made so they rejected her donation.
It’s like if a guy walks up to you in the bar, slaps your date, then tells the bartender to buy the two of you drinks and to put it on his tab. To put it lightly, you don’t accept the drinks. Lacka crew tried to keep the donation rejection quiet. Vivz is the one who made it public because
D R A M A
>Vivz is the one who made it public because D R A M A
I get that feeling with the tweet
That is really immature
Huh… I haven’t heard about that part. Even more so understandable that Lackacrew does not want Viv’s name anywhere near their project if true.
Cinemaphile likes to take a narrative and run with it. They made it all about this zebirdbrain person who, while they did stir up the pot, was not ultimately involved. They also want to make it about the lackacrew not wanting Vivzie's name on credits as a producer, but that's more speculation and not very likely.
Vivz had talked a lot of shit about Fable (mentioning them specifically by name) seemingly unprompted. Screenshots were leaked. There were then subsequent leaks where Vivzie was questioning the validity of some people going trans when they seemingly 'half-ass it' (paraphrased, but that's the gist). She is talking about someone specific in those messages but a name was not overtly mentioned. However, due to context clues about the person (school attended, productions the person worked on, general career path, relation to Vivzie) people have made an educated guess that those messages were also about Fable.
This was all before the donation was made or any of the zebirdbrain shit started. The comments were seemingly made unprompted. Vivzie was just talking shit and didn't expect that to leak. When the donation was made I think a lot of people on the crew were not happy with how two-faced it was which caused zebirdbrain to go on an autistic meltdown. People like to conflate said meltdown with the reason the donation was rejected, but the decision to either prevent or reject the donation was made well before that.
Yeah, before I came to know of this information, I had figured that they decided to reject the donation simply because it would have attached Viv to the credits as a producer, in which people working under Tracy didn’t want that due to their past experiences with working under Viv. But this just helps bring even more light into this. Idk how it’s so hard for people to grasp why it’s reasonable for them to reject Viv’s money.
Because people want to force a rivalry between Helluva and Lackadaisy despite the two shows having almost nothing alike
Because rejecting the cash due to simply not wanting Vivzie to get a producer credit is more salacious and stirs the pot.
I promise you, no sane production is going to do that. If you offer a reward and someone you don't like buys it, you suck it up and let them get the reward tier they paid for.
The money was rejected because by keeping it they'd basically say that Vivzie's $5k is worth more to them than their director who is 1.) Really god damned good at what they do and 2.) helming a $2mil production. That person is personally and professionally worth well over $5k and only a really greedy borderline sociopathic butthole would keep that money.
Vivzie is not great but it's still a good donation that they should have kept at no cost of their own. It's not like Vivzie is Mel Gibson and called them a pack of Black folk. Some c**t having to pay me over 1K dollars to fund my dream project because their discord messages got leaked doesn't sound bad to me. Cancelling her donation is just wasting money. Not helped by the recent controversy about one of the crew members saying similar comments to Vivzie of their own.
It’s not just about how she was shit talking before she made the donation. It’s about how many of the people working under the Lackacrew used to work for Viv, and she was a shitty boss. That’s the main reason why they don’t want her name on the project. Keep in mind, the $5k dono she made was going to have her listed as a Producer of some sort in the credits. Now you see why they really didn’t want her to make that donation? Tracy cares about her staff and so she made the decision to reject the donation, and Viv decided to be publicly buttsore about it despite being asked to rescind the donation before she rejected it.
I love it, she’s one of the very few publicly telling this fat b***h “NO! Get your greasy, fat fingers out of my business.” She needs to hear no more often.
>It’s about how many of the people working under the Lackacrew used to work for Viv, and she was a shitty boss.
AFAIK this is just hearsay that Cinemaphile based on the glassdoor reviews for Spindlehorse. Nobody from Lackadaisy has actually come out and said why the donation was rejected.
There’s been discourse for months before this over how shitty she allegedly is. This is the word on the street. The animation community is a rather small world. If you receive this sort of reputation, you likely deserve it. And Viv’s public actions make it 100% believable. Glassdoor reviews are also good proof, she literally runs the the darn thing.
Why else would Tracy just not accept the donation like that? Surely she wouldn’t have done that over something really petty. I know very well that they were doing everything that they possibly could to get fully funded.
Remember, the donation she made was going to have her listed as a producer. There’s clearly bad blood between the people working under the Lackacrew that used to work with her, and Viv herself.
There’s also Viv’s reaction. If the dono reject was completely unjustified, something tells me that she would have let on more about this instead of being vaguely passive aggressive. Viv in the past has not been afraid to not hold back when stirring up drama. The b***h has done wrong and she doesn’t want her fans to get wind of that.
You're starting with a conclusion and then searching for evidence to back it up. That's how conspiracy theories work. It's better to collect evidence and allow it to lead to a conclusion. Your premise is that they didn't want Vivzie's name listed as a producer which is an unsubstantiated assumption. Essentially, your proof for that is "come on, you can tell...why WOULDN'T they think that?".
The rest of your theory relies on that premise. It's logically unsound. Stop trying to beat this drum.
Tbh I have no doubt that Vivzie is a very flawed person and can be difficult to work with, but Cinemaphile LOVES writing fanfic about people they don't like and just passing it off as fact. The fact that there actually does seem to be an issue between Viv and enough of the LD crew that Tracy rejected the donation doesn't really help things.
i can't tell you why i know, but the shitty boss rumors are all real. i can't prove it, which won't be enough for most of you, but i hope that also illuminates why the animators won't come right out and say it themselves.
it's professionalism.
That is the narrative that Cinemaphile has made up, but there's no evidence to support that the lacka-crew rejected it just because they didn't want her name on it. The closest thing there is to supporting that claim is that zebirdbrain made one single comment about how she made the donation so she could get the title, but zebirdbrain is not a reliable source of information. They are an immature and unprofessional person who has yet to learn to not use social media like a diary. Getting a producer credit was a perk. Even if they didn't like the idea of Vivzie having that title, there's nothing to suggest they wouldn't have just swallowed their pride and honored it.
Tracy specifically mentions that she doesn't talk about the reasons because she doesn't want to betray the privacy of someone who was involved (and specifically mentions zebirdbrain is not involved at all). This makes it highly likely that the reason is the shit Vivz talked about Fable.
You’re acting as if Ze was calling all the shots. The decision was Tracy’s in the end. I heavily doubt that she would have simply rejected the donation just because one person decided to sperg out. That would be rather out of character for her. There’s a bigger reason than just Ze saying that Tracy should not accept the donation just cuz.
Screencap of Lackacrew Announcement confirming that Tracy made the call:
Did you actually read what I wrote? Maybe read it again.
Then look at who I'm responding to.
I'm saying exactly the opposite of what you seem to think I'm saying.
>Vivzie is not great but it's still a good donation that they should have kept at no cost of their own.
They had already surpassed every stretch goal they made, having an extra 5k on top would have been a dro pin the bucket by that point.
Yeah, frick Vivzie Judas and her 30 pieces of silver.
You’ll never see me turn down 5K unless you did something really foul
That's because you're broke, anon.
This
It’s not always about the money, anon.
Don't tell that you think that Tracy would have still turned down those 5K if those were necessary to reach the 2 Million goal lmao
I think she still would have honored it even if she had to turn down Vivzie israelite’s hush money.
Well, Viv DID say they probably didn’t need it anyway
True, because eventually they met all their goals. But still, extra funding was always welcomed.
I know these guys well enough to know that every dollar they receive means more opportunities for them, and they don’t just toss them away.
But it’s clear that Viv was being passive-aggressive with her message. Why even say anything about it all?
Why delete the donation at all? Just for moral superiority?
They’re both dumb
That’s why I’m saying that they had an actual reason to turn it down. It wasn’t just over something petty.
There’s more going on between employees under Lackacrew and Viv.
If it was a regular donation, then I would be confused. But no, this donation was going to have Viv be listed as a producer in the credits. That’s the kicker.
>this donation was going to have Viv be listed as a producer
That's not the reason. Stop trying to push this narrative. That was a reward that was literally offered for anyone, including Vivzie, to buy.
You guys say that because 5k sounds like a lot of money to you. For a single person in their room by themselves, maybe it is. In the world of broadcast quality animation where there are teams of people working on every aspect of production, 5k is nothing.
Think of it more like $1. If someone called your significant other something nasty, and then tried to stick a dollar in your pocket before walking away, only a real fricking loser would keep that dollar. What would keeping that dollar say about you? What would it say about how much you value your significant other? Is that worth $1? If it is, you should work on your self-esteem.
>In the world of broadcast quality animation where there are teams of people working on every aspect of production, 5k is nothing.
5K is enough to cover your ass in production problems or if you want to do one cool thing to elevate your product. It's not cheap money.
again, you think this because 5k sounds like a lot of money to you. It's not worth more than your director.
I think it was more conniving.
I honestly think Viv talked shit about the director and then wanted her name in the credits of their show out of ego/add insult to injury.
Either way, Lackacrew and Tracy are justified in not wanting her name there.
It was VIV who made this into drama, as she always does.
They got a right to refuse service like how baking companies can refuse to cater to gay weddings
>It’s like if a guy walks up to you in the bar, slaps your date
>If someone called your significant other something nasty
It's really weird how people keep making a work relationship sound like a romance.
Don't deflect.
>It's really weird how people keep making a work relationship sound like a romance.
because people who don't have real jobs can't possibly understand what it's like to have a close creative working relationship, but they might understand what it would be like to be in a romantic relationship because they watch movies.
Do you have those leaked screencaps of Vivz talking shit about Lackadaisy, too? That'd really put it into perspective.
Not surprised given how she liked these posts
lol, she had no reason to publicly announce this for anything other than drama. It's exactly this kind of shit that likely influenced Tracy's decision to axe her association with the project, especially given how the 5k donation would've given vivziepop a producer credit
Honestly I think that nobody or at least no creator should ever make text posts on twitter, shit is poisoning the mind and everything else. They should just post art and concepts and shit and stop at that. People are always annoying the more you know about them so it's better to just shut up and don't interact with others too much to learn about their bad traits.
On the (only) plus side, I like how you can tell who's most likely obnoxious to be around when you see them post drama like this, especially if their posts are related to their profession. Let's you see the red flags if you can't catch it in person.
That's true. But to be honest almost everybody seems obnoxious to me. Especially if it's stuff like cartoon productions. Maybe I am too pessimistic but I legit doubt that you can produce well-animated cartoons without crunch. A pilot is no problem since they have endless time for this, but a series demands somewhat regular schedules and release dates that aren't years apart and this doesn't work unless you have 100 people or so working for you. There is a reason for why animators in Japan die with 40 or end up in the hospital all the time. Not defending AI shit but maybe one day in the future that crap will actually develop enough and be good for something like be able to generate in-betweens so that animators only have to draw the key frames.
I' m glad i have no idea what you are talking about. I hate irl drama bullshit. Online conten creators are so annoying. I never visit their twitter. And have no idea what they are like.
Oh, hey Leonard. Long time no see.
Porn is the only reason it’s popular, that’s true. No one cares about it as a show, but it’s funny to discuss the shitshow it is
Interesting.
Everything else is Family Guy clones or disney shit about girls now, there are no alternatives. At least Pantheon's second season will actually air soon.
What do you think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UaFv5Y9orQ
Stop shilling your YT vids here.
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss need a snootgame.
the only thing more cring than satanists are satanists into cartooning. you fricks need to touch grass and have sex.
>You being on Cinemaphile
>You having sex
Pick one
You are also on Cinemaphile, so he's not wrong.
I didn’t say that I am having sex, I was pointing out his hypocrisy.
Yeah right like I'm gonna listen to a virgin.
Good bait.
The sad and hilarious thing about a show about redemption is how irredeemably shit its going to be.
Lucifer is a b***h ASS homie, I PISS on his porch!
Is this the show helmed by that fat chick who some schizo a few years back was spamming hundreds of threads about?
Lucifer loser
Satan pretends to be a king so that he can cope with his fall, my headcanon anyway.
I concur. He’s not the leader of hell, God made it so him and his agents can’t cause more harm
So if the show is supposedly coming out in less than 2 weeks, it tells me they’re attempting to pull a Hi Fi Rush and build word of mouth that way
Except they forgot the “being actually fun” part
Also, I wonder if Vivzie is even aware of these plans
I don’t think I’ve seen one of these leaks turn out to be bullshit.
So how much longer until Vivzie’s star finally collapses?
The camera movement is really wack
damn lucifer's voice sucks, he sounds like charlie's little brother not her dad
Anyone who saw
knew this was coming, but why all signs point to fricking Lucifer of all people not being the least bit intimidating is beyond me.
What could work is that he really does act like Lucifer should, however when Charlie is around he puts on this charade for her because at the end of the day the only two people he has any morsal of care for is his wife and daughter, but that would require half decent writing.
I still doubt Vivzie is coming to GlitchX
Because
A) I doubt she and Tracy want to be in the same room
B) Glitch clearly wants to bring focus to lesser known shows
C) Her name doesn’t fit in pic related
Good. People were freaking out over Ken Penders and Ian Flynn being in the same place at the same time but if Viv was anywhere near Tracy, drama is sure to be stirred up.
>Ken Penders and Ian Flynn being in the same place at the same time
First I’ve heard of this
Doesn’t Helluva have a “Christmas” episode coming up according to Vivzie? Do they celebrate Christmas in hell?
According to dome Christians, it’s catholic nonsense that’s crypto-satanism
It doesn't sound like Bosco.
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It probably isn't Bosco, but the replacement is definitely trying to mimic his voice, which just makes him being replaced even more baffling, not helping matters in terms of if the soundalike is actually a good fit for Alastor is that these are the raw voicelines before they filter his voice, and plenty of raw voicelines in movies, shows, and games that are meant to be filtered later sound like shit compared to the final version.
Yeah, the replacement is doing a good job but Bosco has a deeper voice for Al and in general too. Nu-Alastor sounds way too high.
>thread about the new animation leaks
>most replies are instead still about the lackadaisy drama with vivziepop that happened months ago
Huh.
The leaks are obv fake. Who would be stupid enough to put unreleased shit on a public page that everyone can look at and see?
Viv's team would, because its happened several times.
>Who would be stupid enough to put unreleased shit on a public page that everyone can look at and see?
>He doesn't know about HB Season 2 leaks
If this was just a storyboard or some production shots I'd agree with you, but the amount of time and effort this would take to produce would be ridiculous to waste on a hoax.
Post Adam please.
Sex with Adam!
>They turned Lucifer into the Lorax twink
The irreversible damage this fricking twink from a shitty cash grab of a beloved children's book, did on western character designs should be studied.
With how Lucifer ended up I'm certain they'll frick up Alastor along the way, along with every other character really.
Holy shit my sides. Thanks for the laugh, anon!
Keep the leaks coming, burn the witch
>lucifer
>THE FRICKING ICON OF PRIDE
>scared by some dumb oncler ass twink
frick this shit, i don't even care anymore
How is it that a character from a fricking kids cartoon is both funnier AND more menacing than a depiction of Lucifer in a 'mature' cartoon?
I don't know about you, but champagne fountains and caviar mountains sounds pretty intimidating to me..
Aku doesn't frick about, second he see's the upper hand he'll take it. That and he doesn't sing
Aku does kinda frick about, but he does take advantage of things
He'll frick around with him but when shit hits the fan like him jumping through the portal or losing the sword, you'll notice Aku never ignores the chance to immediately go for the sword or stop Jack time travelling
I dunno anon, being trapped in eternal servitude for AKU, THE SHAPE SHIFTING MASTER OF DARKNESS sounds a lot more respectable and less hellish than serving an obnoxious gay ass theater kid forever.
Hazbin is better than this boomer schlock
Damn industrycuck you really are everywhere.
Samurai Jack is better than this zoomer schlock
A majority of cartoons are, yet this one is raking the big, grandparents bucks
>Premiering in less than two weeks
>Zero advertising while the leaks keep coming
>Still no official cast list or platform
>Twitter hasn’t posted in months
And once the show drops and the NDAs are broken, the truth about Vivzie will come out and everyone will see her for the petty egomaniac she actually is
There’s no way this doesn’t end in disaster
>Premiering in less than two weeks
Trust the plan
Do we know it it’ll premiere weekly or are they going to drop all the episodes at once?
I am out of the loop, on which place I don't pay for is it airing again?
There was a leak on IMDb that apparently said the first episode was premiering on October 2
It's not coming in two weeks. Pretty sure that date was fake and it's not there anymore.
Of course it’s not there anymore, because that wasn’t supposed to be shown before the show came out
Because they’re pretty much attempting a Hi Fi Rush-style release at this point given that there’s been total radio silence despite the show already being completed, there was a wrap party (that Vivzie somehow got invited to) and everything
OH NO THEY'RE HOT
Right? Why are Viv boys so….*nosebleed* she’s a good artist, like, wow, no other show has such sexy guys.
Its just making my bussy wet... I wish Alastor would lick my smelly bussy clean... why can't he plunder the creamy treats in my colon? @_@
Only Alestor and Lucifer look good to me, all the other guys are cringe.
Give it to me straight, how over is it?
Personally, unless A24 managed to somehow polish this turd into 24 carat gold (based on the Lucifer leaks, I doubt it), this show is dead in the water, even if it does get released.
I’m pretty sure at this point A24 is just trying to get it out the door and hoping nobody notices
Considering Vivzie has turned Helluva into what she wanted Hazbin to be, cringe musical numbers and all, i don’t see Hazbin lasting past a single season
If Hazbin fails, then support for Helluva is definitely going to take a dive
Of course, this is assuming Viv isn’t able to use her fans to deflect the blame to A24, but considering she’s responsible for all its production troubles, i doubt it’s gonna work like the time she sicced her fans on Lackadaisy
It’s really such a shame. These projects had so much potential but she ended up being a POS to her employees and she lost sight of what she was doing.
She could have led the indie scene, but in the end she just gave the victory to Glitch
It's over.
For me it depends on the actual action and jokes and the other characters. After watching both pilots I was way more into Helluva since I consider it the series with the better characters. Even with the episodes I don't like I still think they are more enjoyable than Vaggie and the likes and certainly better than Lucifer.
So far Alastor seem to be the only interesting guy simply for being an obvious ass, but who knows. Maybe I will change my opinion once the series actually starts. The spider guy felt over-designed even for Vivzie content IMO.
Well they listed the whole season on official sites so it is coming out. When or how is unknown and it will probably not last beyond 1 season, but that season will be out someday.
I have no hope for Hazbin Hotel in ever being good, seems like this was a shitshow from the beginning and Viv was a huge part of the shitshow to start with.
Alastor is shit, and his ships are shit.
>RadioDust: ALWAYS one dimensional yaoi shit
>RadioHusk: Same as above, just usually not as pronounced.
>Charlastor: The best sizable Alastor ship, but that's not saying much and is carried hard by a handful of artists and writegays.
>video has been removed by the uploader
don't worry, lads
It got removed? holy shit, guess that fuels the fire that those are actually real even more
So they are real…
Well, it’s official, this show is fricked.
How cringey were the clips
Oh my god it’s over
Is fricking Lucifer showing fear to fricking Alastor as Al grabs Lu's cane!? I swear to fricking god if this scene is cut short and right after this Lucifer effortlessly throws Alastor across the room, causing the Radio Demon to show fear for the first time in the show, and is only stopped from finishing the Radio Demon off at the plea of Charlie, this 1 second scene instantly ruins Lucifer's character and makes Alastor seem invulnerable and able to do whatever the Hell he wants.
Same guy, but Jesus the more I look at this clip the more pissed I get at the thought of Alastor not getting kicked through the wall for this.
In nobility, canes are second only to a crown when it comes to showing off a royal's status, so even if it's 'just' a cane, in reality it's pretty damn important.
So not only does Alastor initiate contact, he grabs Lucifer's cane and shakes it, it may seem innocent enough for a one second gag, but this would be treated as Alastor disrespecting Lucifer more than just verbally insulting him to his face, by both grabbing the cane and initating contact, he's basically telling Lucifer "I'm higher on the social ladder than you" he'd probably have to mess with his crown or literally spit on him to disrespect him more.
The aftermath of this one second clip would be the PERFECT oppurtunity to show why Lucifer is the King of Hell, where he would BTFO Alastor so hard and so effortlessly it would be as if he's squashing a bug, and it's only through Charlie's plea for Al's life, and Alastor giving his sincerest apologies, that he manages to avoid being killed for this.
Of course, I'd wager fifty bucks that it's not going to happen, and this will be treated entirely as a blink and you miss it gag.
Alastor trying to get the King of hell's daughter trapped in a contract with him so she is forced to do his bidding was enough of an indication that Alastor fears nothing.
I can see Alastor doing this, I can't see Lucifer not giving him a dose of reality, and Alastor can disrespect Lucifer of all people without repercussions, it makes him seem outright invulnerable from consequences rather than just an extremely powerful Sinner.
I won't be surprised if Luci does do that, or at least has to keep his temper down because apparently he's trying to "reconnect with his daughter". Which would be the only explanation as to why he wouldn't just teach Alastor respect right then and there.
Alastor being a terrifying character is a good thing.
But Lucifer should be assertive.
Lucifer being a loser is probably one of the few biblically accurate things about this shitshow.
Oh I agree, Alastor SHOULD be terrifying, but he's still just an extremely powerful *Sinner* and when compared to Lucifer or a properly pissed off Charlie, he's little more than an insect compared to them.
Personally I still hope that there is a twist involving Lucifer otherwise it would be very lame and even worse that I would have a hard time believing that actual criminals like Alastor or thugs wouldn't just start a coup with a loser like him as the leader of hell.
I don’t think him being a loser is a reason to throw him out if they see as Hell’s posterboy or have some prophecy of involving him on why he’s supposed to be there on Judgement day.
It's weird that he's built up so much in the pilot but apparently he's weaker than Vox and Val, which I mean I understand why he's weaker than Val but why Vox lol
This is not fear, it's shock. It shows Alastor thinks he's bigger than he actually is and it shows Lucifer confused as to why someone would try and touch his cane. It's in character if anything considering how Luci seems to be depicted.
But one of big similarities between them is apparently between them is to always smile to show their superiority to others. But here Lucifer has it broken so either they threw away that concept or they made Alastor intimidating to LUCIFER which is asinine.
>and makes Alastor seem invulnerable and able to do whatever the Hell he wants
Why is this a problem?
Because it completely fricks over the entire Hell's heriarchy this setting is supposed to have, if the king of hell himself can be so easily pushed or played around by some sinner then it's a wonder why the frick every other sinner in hell haven't already overthrew him
This, besides it would be an interesting minor character arc for Alastor to begin the show believing he's on top of the mountain because all he's dealt with have been other Sinners, only to get a massive wake up call when he slights Lucifer and comes an inch away from being killed by him because he believes he can push him around like he does with Charlie.
Calm down he just surprised him
Clearly have more faith in Viv's writing than I do.
SnakeBomb is Based though.
>confirmed real
God lord, they massacred Alastor's voice. It's genuinely anime dub-tier now.
The hierarchy of hell has never made sense. If there actually was a consistent hierarchical system where people of lower ranks respected those higher on the totem pole, Katie Killjoy never would have humiliated Charlie on live television (especially considering how high-ranked Charlie is). The writers don't care about worldbuilding and just want bad jokes and relationship drama.
Never underestimate how easy it is to please most fans.
>Never underestimate how easy it is to please most fans.
Anon, the pilot and the actual series are two different things at this point
I dunno how much of the actual crew of the pilot outside of Vivzie remains
>Never underestimate how easy it is to please most fans.
Is it? The whole internet is nothing but people seething nowadays no matter what show. Add to that the anglo polit idiots that call everything toxic or woke (usually they both happen to hate on the same series), everybody turning into a karen and edgy kids that only watch things ironically and I can legit not think of a single show that doesn't get drowned in hate.
I unironically watch everything I enjoy for myself and don't really talk about it to have fun without getting dragged into a discourse.
>Is it? The whole internet is nothing but people seething nowadays no matter what show.
Open the latest Helluva Boss episode and look at the like/dislike ratio. The show is total dogshit, but the fans are clearly satisfied considering it has only 11k dislikes and 789k likes. The backlash you're referring to is just a vocal minority. Most people are mindless sheep that will enjoy whatever schlock companies feed them.
Based Charlie enjoyers
Cute!
Charlie is the definition of cute.
That's just because of the filter effect. The majority of people (Cinemaphile is hardly representative) that don't like this anymore logically stopped watching it so they don't rate it anymore. I literally never watch anything I don't enjoy and I don't think this is an uncommon thing to do. Normalgays and casuals in particular never do that, if anything this is the behavior of a cartoon junkey or anime addict. It's why most of the highest ranked series from anime databases are sequels, sometimes even third seasons or so. Filtering.
>The majority of people (Cinemaphile is hardly representative) that don't like this anymore logically stopped watching it so they don't rate it anymore
Yes I'm aware of that, but I don't see any evidence that a significant number of fans dropped the show. Helluva Boss has remained consistently popular over the years (someone a while ago compared view counts of episodes one month after release to prove this). The filtering effect doesn't really apply here.
P-please understand! Vivzie is just a poor lil' indie director who is so awful at managing funds that she can't afford to voice a character as important as Loona for several episodes! She'll get better at it, I'm sure!
I wonder who is the top
Both of them
>it's real
oh nononononononononon
Hopefully this pushes A24 to release some real info here shortly before more leaks come out, they're honestly pretty fortunate that it was only two very short clips and not a several minute long clip or a disaster where the entire episode is leaked like the most recent HB episode.
>just accidently releases two voiced storyboards to youtube
Considering this guy released it with his full name attached next to it I have to assume he was just incompetent as frick instead of being malicious
This really says something about how much the people who worked on this give a shit about it.
People who worked on it probably don't even have faith in it at this point.
They had the strike excuse for a little while, but that shows no sign of stopping anytime soon.
I don't think he doesn't care about the show, he's just clearly not a tech savy individual. Plus him being from brazil probably means he's one of the people doing the grunt work for an outsourced studio instead of working directly with bento box
You know it’s bad when Loona (Erica) left.
Is that confirmed or is it still speculation at this point?
Has anyone just asked Erica about Helluva at all in the last few months?
I wouldn't be surprised if she really did just leave.
>You know it’s bad when Loona (Erica) left.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
It was just RECENTLY announced that she'll be appearing at a Hazbin panel with the rest of the cast and part of the crew at the LVL Up expo next year. If she was off the show, she wouldn't be making an appearance.
receipt:
https://x.com/LVLUPEXPO/status/1703914798784942261?s=20
Voice recordings are one of the first things that are done once pre-production moves into actual production. The scripts are then edited down into 'radio plays' which are basically what they sound like...all the timings for the voice acting are edited together so they get the pacing down. This is used to create the animatic which is when they basically time the storyboards into a video. From there, THE ENTIRE rest of production is based on this.
They don't just work on one episode at a time. The work is broken down into chunks and each team basically works on an entire season all at once. This means that if something isn't recorded in that crucial early production phase, it's highly unlikely it can just be wedged in later without causing serious problems.
It's known that Loona's VA lost her fiance and needed to take time off of work afterwards. If she was going to miss the recording window, then it's likely they just wrote around Loona's character. Considering she's continuing to help promote the show, this is a far more likely scenario than her getting fed up and simply leaving (but still coming back to do an expo for some reason).
Except that Viv said this was all according to her creative decision and then claimed it was budgetary so we really dont know what the truth is anymore.
She might be making excuses because she didn't want to draw attention to the fact that her actor suffered great loss. It's understandable that she'd make up a white lie instead of telling fans "hey, Erica's boyfriend was dying and he proposed to her on his deathbed before fricking kicking it. This fricked her up pretty badly and she's going to need to take some time off because she's going crazy, so we've written around the character".
I mean, technically, if they had enough time to write around Loona needing to speak, then it was technically a creative decision...It just may have not been the original creative decision. And adding the lines in after production was already rolling would have been massively expensive and thrown the whole schedule off, so that would technically be a budgetary consideration.
I agree, it's hard to know what is true and everything is speculation, but given the fact that Erica will be promoting the show at the upcoming expo next year, it's highly unlikely she simply quit because she was fed up.
If they just told the truth, people would be very understanding.
But Viv's "white lie" has dragged the character development and pacing of the show down.
>on his deathbed
where are you getting that info? I haven't heard that.
>It's known that Loona's VA lost her fiance and needed to take time off of work afterwards. If she was going to miss the recording window, then it's likely they just wrote around Loona's character.
Viv said that all the voice recordings were done like 2-3 years ago which is well before Erica's boyfriend died.
Wait, do you mean the recordings for S2?
Not saying it cannot be true but honestly so far I believe it's just unlucky circumstances that made the show focus more on other characters. Thanks to the focusing on past drama, the introduction of new characters and enemies like Crim and the less episodic format of s2 the series is busy with other plot lines and characters
Viv has no excuse for Loona getting no lines in 4 episodes straight.
again, you're thinking linearly as if they start and finish an episode, then start and finish the next episode, etc. All the lines for all the episodes are recorded at once and then production starts on various parts of each of the episodes kind of at the same time. If the reason that there's no Loona is because the VA couldn't record the lines in time, then it's not just 1 or 2 or 3 episodes. She'll be out for the whole fricking season.
That's assuming that the reason she's not present is because she was unable to record, which is still unknown. But if that was the reason then Viv would, in fact, have a very good excuse.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1sDWKNoqLLL3svx4NGOeJbg0eidZqNdw7YddezYIBc-g/mobilebasic
Reminder stuff like this is out in the open, yet still Vivzie hasn’t faced any real blowback yet
ITS ANNUDA SHOAH
If you want it to spread, you have to spread it.
You have no idea how well Vivzie uses her fans to cover her ass
The fans are definitely going to be pissed, right?
Oh yeah.
Viv will always have her fans, but I know that a good amount of her current fans are putting up with the decline in quality Season 2 of HB has seen so long as HH is good.
If what we've seen of Lucifer in the leaked sheets and the two clips we just got is any indication, HH might legitimately be worse than S2 of HB.
Hope that means that real life tiktokers go to hell as well.
It’s so much more over than I thought possible…
My only hope is for a handful of Charlie ass shots
Over? Oh no my friend.
Just wait until the inevitable fallout. It'll be more entertaining than this show could ever hope to be
I want Alastor to slap Charlie's ass.
And I want to see Charlie in a swimsuit.
It’ll all be worth it if we see Charlie throwing that ass in a circle
It's far too late now people stopped caring about this years ago
I would totally commit a bunch of shocking crimes against people I know and I hate if I could become a powerful demon in hell after I died.
Be careful anon, apparently if you are TOO evil your soul is going to be straight up erased instead lol
So i won't suffer in hell?
Oh yeah, guess the pedophiles, nazis, etc are so vile that they will never receive their proper punishment and will be granted the instead the painless experience of the oblivion
I get the pedos maybe, but not having any nazis in hell that live among exotic races and homolords is such a wasted potential it's criminal, especially since their whole identity should be connected to their human ethnicity and nationality that is now lost since they are reborn as some pink canary with donkey ears or something. Guess even normal people would experience an existential crisis.
Hitler was actually pretty chill when he was still living with his best friend, bet he would fit in there. Kind of a wasted chance to not go full out and make a Hitler maid. The sort of people that would call Hazbin problematic because of this are already b***hing anyway and even Germans loved that Hitler comedy few years back in which the literal Hitler came back to become a popular entertainer and Hitler "double" on tv.
Heh
>It's so fricking over at this point
ALL OF THOSE YEARS OF WAITING FOR NOTHING.
NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.
I miss old Charlie.
There's nothing wrong with new charlie
shut your trap
You first
I like her character.
But the Pilot design is really better. She looks soft and not as pointy.
The new one is far too red without the black pants.
She looks more mature now
I'd like the series design but keep the pilot eyes.
Yes there is. Her softer design was a good contrast with the abrasive ones of the other demons and was a clear indication of her personality. It was perfect for her, and the harsh, sharp edges betray that idea.
How Viv will ruin her character? (What little she has anyways)
>How Viv will ruin her character?
She'll be given a faint australian accent.
She's fricking the snake dude by the end of the season
She's gonna be the bad influence friend of Angel
That...honestly isn't a terrible direction to take her in. Viv may have took Lu in the wrong direction from the word go, but I can at least hope that Cherri won't be a total disaster.
I still hold on.
For her.
Niffty besto waifu
If Angel were my son I'd whip him with a belt til he started acting normal
Little homosexual
>t. Henroin
So they definitely just poached Henroin’s personality for Moxxie’s dad, right?
You fricking morons better have archived this shit
see
What is Charlie looking at?
(you)
An absolute fat donkey spunk cannon giga wiener that’s gonna go straight up her shithole
Vaggie cheating on her with Alastor
Her creator is a giant b***h. She has forsaken her.
Vivzie taking the legal bullet to the skull and announcing on BS that the show is canned.
the Doom Slayer's huge meaty glutes
At this rate someone should just post a full episode it would be based as frick
I wish I could bust a nut on Charlie's face, just cover her face in my homemade silly string and send her to run the hotel without cleaning it off
I wonder what Vaggie and Alastor would think
This show is going to suck and I was hoping it was going to be good
YouTube down, any mirror ?
see
Frick it, going autistic writegay with the whole Alastor and Lucifer clip
>The momentary surprise wears off before the Sinner even lets go of his cane.
>The Sinner by the name of 'Alastor', Lucifer thinks in disgust, in reality he's not even worth a name, because the man is just another Sinner who thinks because he's an Overlord that means they can do whatever they wish.
>Not even worth showing his true form before he makes sure that the Sinner's mistake would be the final one he made.
>Without even blinking a shadowy hand launches out of Lucifer's torso and seizes the Sinner's throat, causing his eyes to widen for the briefest of moments just before the cane he once acted like he had the ability to touch began to glow.
>The shadow around the Sinner's neck lets go just at an earshattering sound erupts from the cane, along with unleashing tremendous force that launches the disrespectful bug straight through the nearby wall, causing dust and debris to fill the air
>Lucifer waits for the air to clear, he knows the mere Sinner won't be going anywhere, so why not let him recover just enough to face his demise.
>"DAD!" A voice cries out, but it goes into one ear and out the other.
>The smoke clears enough to see the Sinner laying on his back on the opposite side of the destroyed wall, his once fine red suit now in tatters and grey from the dust, Lucifer slowly approaches the helpless rodent, taking note of the injuries caused by the slightest effort on his part, the monocle that shattered and glass now stuck in his right eye was particularly amusing.
>The bug weakly attempts to conjure up magic of his own in a futile attempt to defend himself, a small movement of Lucifer's left hand ensures that the Sinner's lowly magic is rendered entirely mute, he now stands over the roach, the smile from his face now gone and expression now showing terror of its looming fate.
Definitely better than what Vivzie can do
Not reading all that. Do Al and Luci have passionate gay sex somewhere in this little fanfic of yours?
Read negga read it gets juicy near the end
Read it you fricking dumbass
I feel like Lucifer wouldn't even showcase any "magic" powers, he'd just swat Alastor aside and ignore him.
The greatest form of insult to a showman like Alastor would be if he was utterly ignored.
Imagine how infuriating or even humiliating it would be if Lucifer showed far more attention and interest towards someone like Angel Dust or Husk.
That would work too, but only if by the end of things Alastor is fuming trying to get Lucifer to so much as acknowledge his presence, but I think Viv is a massive Alastor fangirl herself and won't allow him to 'lose' an encounter.
I would maybe do it like this. Every time Alastor has this toothy smile to him Lucifer smiles back at him with much more gentle smile where he doesn't show his teeth. He rarely acknowledges him. Maybe even offers him a treat at one point. Alastor tries to roll with it, but he is not satisfied. This tying back to what bearing teeth is. A challenge. One Lucifer doesn't even bother to acknowledge or humor because he would never take seriously a challenge from an Ape such as Alastor.
>Lucifer treats the hazbin residents like Angel, Husk or Vaggie as actual humans, gives them proper respect
>Lucifer treats Alastor as a sad looking pet and barely recognises him
Pretty much. They are animals to him barely worth his attention, but he has the least respect for an animal that demands it.
Anon, this is probably written way better than whatever Viv has planned, well done, this was fun to imagine.
Ha! loser!
https://twitter.com/ntsgStaff
I have no Twitter. What this?
Original user whose posting (or reposting) a lot of these hazbin leaks.
Also apparently revealed stuff about Helluva too.
And non-necessary spoilers, he's revealing a lot of the leaks he's uploading are getting copyright removed from Spindle themselves.
Not that it seemed like these were being doubted, but that's definitely a blow.
How would Charlie react if I slapped her on the ass cheek?
https://files.catbox.moe/soqj16.PNG
i like husk
>video is not available anymore
cowards
alt links here
Repostan my dumb crossover idea from the other thread since it took more effort than it should have and I figured it could be posted here even if the characters from this thread's show is getting pwned. This could technically be canon tomorrow on the next Angel Hare case
Honestly, I really like that this is happening
vivzie always seemed like a whorish wicked c**t to me
since her beginnings with that disgusting furry pop song animation shit of hers
I'm glad this is all happening to her, and I'm glad her shit show is crashing and burning at full force.
>Verification not required.
who has link
Looks like shit
champagne fountains and caviar mountains are this way: