Rank the things you liked best and things that are the worst so far, (ignore stuff you feel meh/mixed/undecided about atm)
Best:
>Picrel Charlie and Pentious number
>Vox vs Alastor number
>Vox just being Vox the rest of the time
>'Happy Day in Hell' number
>Pentious vs Alastor
Worst:
>Adam shit
>All Angel Dust scenes
('Best of the worst' to 'worst of the worst')
I think it's all bad and you are a total homosexual for liking it period.
agree but homosexuals need a cartoon too, and boy is it ever
charlie cute tho
welcome to the era of female show runners
Damn she's pretty.
She isn't into you. She is spoken for.
Spoken for the day of Judgement. Her Twilight. Her Punishing. Her Oblivion.
Yeah. By Alastor.
*Verbalase
Yeah, verbalase
She's pregnant with beatboxing triplets. Hold your ear close and you can hear them showing you how to scratch it right now.
>Make fanart of him with his extended, happy family in the Hotel.
>"50k for eternal happiness"
Shes built for BBC
Beat boxing cartoonists
>An unbroken buck
Welllll
last i checked charlie isn't a futa so no buck breaking will take place
>forgetting that strap-ons exist
>What is Pegging, Pat
Kudos to the KF poster that made this edit. It'll get used for as long as anyone talks about HH
pay 50k and you can frick her
being overshadowed by verbalase video LMAO
The best part is, that will never not be funny.
>imagine being Verbal-ass right now
I can imagine he is panicked because he is getting attention on his channel for the wrong reasons. Not sure why everyone is acting like the dude is the new Hitler though.
there something I'm missing?
>Not sure why everyone is acting like the dude is the new Hitler though.there something I'm missing?
nothing, he just made something that it's not well seen by normie society. even if the video was cheaper they would still shit on him because '''loving a cartoon? muh cringeeeee!!!!''',
It's nothing like that, it's just lulz at his expense.
1. For having a cartoon waifu.
>can be indicative of needing an IRL girlfriend
2. For being that serious/obsessed over it.
>can be indicative of having no life
3. For being Hazbin Hotel
>of all things
4. For burning $50k on it.
>seems a little excessive to most people
5. For that being a questionable amount.
>people wonder if he got ripped off
6. For possibly neglecting/destroying his channel in the process.
>that would be stupid and possibly indicative of an unhealthy obsession
7. For it getting leaked.
>might not be the kind of thing you'd want to get out, for all these reasons
8. Trying to hide it/put the genie back in the bottle
>yeah good luck with that
9. For the further damage to his brand that may cause
>because he couldn't keep his shit to himself
10. The fact it will dog him forever.
>whenever anyone googles this guy they're going to get this video
At best it doesn't mean he did anything wrong per se, but people aren't doing anything wrong if they find it funny either.
At worst it means he's a pathetic homosexual who needs to get a life, possibly a sperg, possibly actually delusional to whatever degree.
Also worth pointing out people laugh at Randy Stair for some of the exact same shit on that list, and rightfully so, before you even get to the more tragic shit:
If some of that shit doesn't strike you as a little odd/excessive, even for Cinemaphile, I don't know what to tell you. Like can you honestly defend Randy Stair's shit, even if he had never shot anyone? At what point do you think it's a problem? I'm not going to beat my son with a belt just because he might take a passing interest in Daphne while watching Scooby Doo. But if he started telling me he's a transsexual ghost girl and drawing what is effectively Danny Phantom Sonichu characters, thinking they're somehow real, then Houston we have a problem.
I think you missed the part where alot of people unknowingly trusted and donated their money to that shit too.
Are you talking about just generally giving money to Youtubegays and superisraelitechats and shit, or did homosexuals give money specifically for this?
If you give your money to obvious morons like this, (and Viv), in general then you're part of the problem.
Also you might want to assume [insert biggest Youtubegay here iunno that Pewdie homosexual, or Mister gaybeast, or whoever] is using the money they get to travel to some Third-World shithole where they get to snort crack off a brown boy's arse or something. If you're not going to be okay with them doing the dumbest and worst shit you can think of with your money, you might want to hold onto your shekels now to avoid future disappointment. Maybe you could save all your money and use it to cut a deal with someone to produce something where you actually have some kind of say in how it is spent.
What I have seen in life is that there are people who actually need money (Iron Mouse, jeez what a hellscape of an existence), people who have this amount of money and wastes it on being living garbage (Viv, Ase, and formerly GiDeon), or being the bored and naive XQC.
What I find in Mouse and XQC are unexpected Jesus connections that could explain why they exploded a massive audience out of nowhere. For real, this naive fool caused people to lose their minds in anger for saying this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fT0Zylkxzk&pp=ygUQWHFjIGplc3VzIGNocnVkdA%3D%3D
Not that they’re perfect, but the fact Viv and Ase glorify Hell to the fullest and end up becoming stupider and out of control is quite telling when GiDeon starts becoming far wiser, selfless, and honest in his character by obeying God’s word.
Also, Pewdiepie, Mr, Beast, and Markiplier are literally high level Freemasons who had their marriages in the Mason temple. So you must get away from them and expose them to their fanbases for some to be saved. Also, Anime is evil and i need you and others to pray with me for “anime must die to pay off its wages of sin”. Look into the Bible, find the scriptures for yourself about punishing sins, and you will be golden. I will curse this stupid show too.
I think the misstep wasn't spending so much on a personal thing for himself, but spending so much on something he only realized too late he couldn't use on his channel, which seemed to the be the original intent. It's been said to death that for a personal private video it plays it very safe, and there's a lot of shit-stirring muddying the waters on this topic so it's hard to tell what's actually true, but if the cost is so high because he went to professionals, he probably intended to use it in a professional capacity. Still a frickup, but I guess just a regular bad business decision isn't as interesting.
honestly, having watched the full Verbalase video its pretty unremarkable (better quality Newgrounds?) but the throbbing dick emojis at the end when Charlie is teasing him with lingerie is an... interesting touch. I can't help but wonder what that aspect of the pitch call went down like. "So, I want to commission a custom animation..."
>I can't help but wonder what that aspect of the pitch call went down like. "So, I want to commission a custom animation..."
So you have a music video for me?
>Yes sir, I do ...
>Not sure why everyone is acting like the dude is the new Hitler though.
No one is doing that, everyone is flabbergasted that this dude blew 50 FRICKING thousand dollars on traced softcore porn
I'm just shocked that he spent 50k
>new Hitler
can't tell if you mean that is really terrible or really awesome
His radio silence is even more funny.
I am not following this, why did he even make a whiny video about being bankrupt in the first place? Or did I misunderstand this part? Don't use youtube but from what I gathered the reason people make fun of him isn't that he commissioned that video and paid for it but that he complained later.
Is it just that net users are so used to oversharing now that they even talk about their failures? I would have just kept quiet about it. Even if the animated video is cringe you would judge a person that was proud of it differently from a loser that whines about the very thing he wanted for the money that he know he would spend.
I don't follow this loser and didn't know he even existed until now, but I gather his whiny video was typical grifting Youtuber shit I've seen too many times before where they habitually appeal to the paypigs whenever they overextend themselves, run into financial trouble, or sometimes are just crying poor to try to turn sympathy in to shekels.
It's all-too-common for Youtubers to get success making videos that actually interest people and then them starting to ACTUALLY BELIEVE it's all about THEM, and people care about THEM, and THEIR stupid little life, problems, hopes and dreams, instead of what they PRODUCE. Some people are their own brand, but plenty of them discover in this way that they are not, and nobody ever gave a shit about ME-ME-ME.
>PROTIP: When I go to McDonalds, I want a burger - and NOW - I don't give a shit about the company, the employees, or even how many other burgers they've sold. If they stop delivering what I really want, and jerk me around with their personal sob-story, or waste my time telling me about their business goals, I'll go elsewhere sooner rather than later.
In this case as I understand it, he basically had a successful channel but blew so much capital, time, and effort on his personal waifu video that it left his channel dead in the water afterwards. Like if you were running a business and shut it down for six months so you could jerk off to cartoons every day, and in the meantime your customers wind up just going to one of your competitors, forgetting you even existed, and you having to start from scratch to attract people again by the time you're done, with no capital to do it.
He didn't whine about being bankrupt, that's just some Twitter rumor that he went bankrupt. Y'know, adding fake drama to make it funnier
>being overshadowed by verbalase video
nah that's just Cinemaphile not knowing how to drop a joke. it was funny for maybe a day, and everywhere else people have moved on.
Like the Caine joke?
>just Cinemaphile not knowing how to drop a joke
I suggest go outside of this board, there is literally a inquisition against verbalase
Who actually cares about Hazbin's release, aside from people on Twitter with Hazbin character profile pics who already had their minds mind up about it's quality going in and will probably give it flawless reviews?
90% of the discourse here is shipping, fanciful headcanons, and just banter. Nothing related to canon "plotlines," if you want to even call them that. The show lacks focus. And Viv is still a thin-skinned b***h, as always.
I mean, a lot of people, YouTube is full of little shits who are cumming on this pants while waiting for Friday to come, and TikTok is more or the same, shit, I would say TikTok is the main platform who wants it to come, popular hazbin stuff there averages 300k likes everyday
Sadly, shows like Hazbin are the reason why they get such rabid fanbase. I swear it's criminal that you get these shitty pieces of media where the creator REALLY half-asses stuff, barely makes a cohesive story - but something is colorful or has a character design someone wants to coom to then BLAMMO autism sets in and people just constantly nonstop make up their own headcanon, fanfics ect basically doing ALL the worldbuilding,character building and plot themselves.
But like, why? This is an absolute dog water show, but it's got spergs frothing at the mouth about their OTPs and shit. Meanwhile, actual *good* shows with more effort put in get sidelined cuz the psycho 17 year olds that consume media can't self-insert as easily.
That fricking sucks.
has nothing to do with mentally unhinged people who look for validation in their bad habits being shown off as "funny" "comical" and "relatable" when really if you said anything Angel Dust says in real life you'd get the weirdest fricking looks from another human being.
yeah it's like people who talk like anime characters irl, "datebayo!" "arigato!" shut the frick up you fricking Black person
the shows not even out, man, the pilot came 4 years ago, it got people engaged with the characters because it felt like the story had a heart and the world building was promising, even if we didn't get a follow-up on that last thing because again, the show's not out and even if we count the leaks we only have like 2 episodes leaked and every critic agrees that the swearing goes down, the tone gets better and it gets darker and better after episode 4, maybe this is a Bojack situation, two meh episodes (maybe they're good, I haven't watched them yet) and then peak narratives, this is a crazy world, anything can happen
At the end of the day the reason why most people follow shows like this is that they think they have heart,
In all honesty, I'd hire that fat prostitute Viv in a microsecond to come up with ideas and draw concept art, and I'd pay her handsomely too.
But letting her be the final word on character design, script, or anything else, not on your fricking life.
That would be akin to letting Gerald Scarfe have final say on Disney Hercules, (and I'm still not crazy about how much of his style actually made it through the Disneyfication filter).
Some of the stuff in HH is original, clever, and even bordering on genius, pity it's mixed in with so much unnecessary moronation, spergery, and downright homosexualry that it's kind of a sad clusterfrick of good ideas and wasted potential.
>Some of the stuff in HH is original, clever, and even bordering on genius
What parts would you say border on genius?
Loona turning the fricking frogs furry
The concept of a Radio Demon for a character based on some 1920's radiogay is brilliant. Having him act like an 'old-timey prick' in general, the lo-fi filter, and him making radio noises, semi-related powers like static'ing the screen and shit. There's so much cool crap that comes out of that one concept. He's some kind of furgay deer too ... okay ... weird, still doesn't spoil that concept though and makes his whole character feel right out of left field instead of being so obvious.
>It's like Stan Lee saying, "How about we have a guy whose superpowers are from a spider", then Ditko draws that shit. You'd be expecting something much more obvious/unoriginal than that.
Then Vox being his rival, but not just being some kind of recoloured equal-but-opposite Alastor dude shows creative thinking, while his character design with the face on a flatscreen head makes for some pretty simple but cool-looking animation and expression. I think his body and outfit design is spot-on, even though it's non-obvious and relatively simple. I never would have come up with that in a million years. Him having gameshow sounds and TV shit like Alastor does with radio, is cool. He's same where it's cool to be the same, but not just a carbon copy.
I also like how Alastor is more powerful, also non-obvious to the point gays are complaining about it literally subverting their expectations, but I think it's a great, (if yet unexplained), dynamic. I love how Vox is like an exec in his whole network boardroom environment.
Not to mention Charlie being the Pollyanna Disney Princess of Hell and her original design. Viv can be extremely clever if not genius at times. Pity she's also moronic and a c**t just as often, probably a nightmare to work with IRL, but credit where credit is due. Probably not entirely all her ideas technically speaking, but if I'm going to give the b***h the blame until I know otherwise, I'm going to give her the credit in the meantime as well.
>Not to mention Charlie being the Pollyanna Disney Princess of Hell and her original design. Viv can be extremely clever if not genius at times.
I'm sorry, what. This is just generic writing 101. Make the daughter of Lucifer GOOD instead of EVIL? OMG GEEENIUS.
Alastor being a radio demon is neat, but he's just fricking Dr. Facilier + Cheshire cat.
When you know where she pulls her ideas from, it all becomes pretty obvious and tropey.
>reductionist drivel
You can oversimplify anything like that. Like pointing out Indiana Jones is based on older serial shit, or that Lara Croft is 'just' female Indiana Jones, but regardless of any inspiration that's not even close to true. What are you doing on this board if you're so lacking in understanding of art or how artistic inspiration actually works?
It's like saying any given musical composition is somehow unoriginal because it uses the notes on a musical scale or a poem uses the same 26 letters of the alphabet, words and rhymes or themes that have been used before, and don't even get me started on anime.
>oh frick Charlie is so unoriginal because she has two circles with dots in them for eyes, and so does Bullwinkle the fricking Moose!
lolwut. The point is that you claimed her ideas are genius and/or borderline genius, when they simply aren't. I give props to Vivs in the animation front, I think she's talented there, but her characters and writing are mostly just derivative trash.
Don't forget that Alastor's noble serial killer crap is also cribbed from Dexter. And the sad thing is, there's nothing wrong with obvious tropes being baked into a character. It all comes down to execution...and proper execution requires cohesion, simplification, and understanding of what inspired the things you like.
Take Batman, for instance. He's just a combination of The Shadow, Dick Tracy, Zorro, and Doc Savage, and yet he works. Why? Because Bill Finger pulled from a VARIETY of inspirations, took PIECES of different characters, and worked to make Batman different from his inspirations.
Meanwhile with Alastor, Vivzie just awkwardly and wholely smashed together Dexter with Facilier without really understanding either character while also throwing on a Radio Demon thing. There's no cohesion or real simplification, just gluing three different action figures together.
>There's no cohesion or real simplification, just gluing three different action figures together.
That's my point in a nutshell. There's nothing wrong with taking inspiration from things, it's about how it's done. His character just doesn't feel consistent. There are too many other examples like this but i'm too lazy to type it out when other people have posted about it in other threads.
Another anon said something along the lines of 'this is what happens when you put your long term OCs in a story, rather than making characters for a story' and I think that also hits the nail on the head.
Yeah. Alastor is a frankenstein monster of cultural ideas all thrown together incoherently. Very disjointed.
Radios? Haitian Voodoo? Onceler? why is he a deer like internet creepypasta Wendigos? who knows?
>aving him act like an 'old-timey prick' in general, the lo-fi filter, and him making radio noises, semi-related powers like static'ing the screen and shit.
Yeah, that's one of the lamer things about Alastor. You have Vox who's powers relate to his status as a "TV" demon. He can zap himself into electronics, control electricity and cause the entirety of the Pride ring to black out due to stress. Meanwhile all of Alastor's powers have nothing to do with him being a radio demon. His voices gets static-y...and that's it. Everything else is stuff unrelated to radio like tentacles, summoning demons and voodoo.
At first I expected him to have a power like Tarn from transformers who can control your actions and thoughts with his "voice". Would have been a scary and cool power to have, I even imagined Tarn to sound staticy when he was using his powers while I reading the comics years ago.
Alastor having the voice filter is great. The 1920's aesthetic of his design is also great.
>He's some kind of furgay deer too ... okay ... weird, still doesn't spoil that concept though
It *almost* does for me. His hair really pains me. I know that his design was probably based off of some OC she did when she was a teenager of what she idealized her ideal teen emo boyfriend to look like. So out of all the character designs that they were going to redo I had really wished it was him (or at the very least his hair) and was pretty bummed that they ended up completely changing charlie's design. The disney princess thing was great. I like how soft her lines were juxtaposed with how sharp and angular the rest of the show setting and characters were. Made her stick out. Plus it catches people's attentions to unknowing audiences, like 'oh I wonder what this unassuming innocent looking character will get herself into.' Now she just looks like all the other characters in the show, actually almost like a background mob character.
> I know that his design was probably based off of some OC she did when she was a teenager of what she idealized her ideal teen emo boyfriend to look like.
It 100% is. OG Alastor was a deer demon in her furry comic Zoophobia. Then he became her OC boyfriend (see: her first self insert Mimzie, not subtle). Now in the show, he's Charlie's (her ideal self insert) replacement daddy cuz Lucifer is a short depressed cuck
This whole show is just one big tumblrina snowflake woke masturbation project
..but i'm still gonna watch it like a damn trainwreck, so frick me I guess
>It 100% is. OG Alastor was a deer demon in her furry comic Zoophobia. Then he became her OC boyfriend
Ok I didn't expect to be THAT right about that but I guess it's not that surprising. The whole show is inspired by him then? Like its just her self inserting as charlie with her 2 ideal daddies 'fighting' over her? Jeez this is getting embarrassing. but I guess not as embarrassing as me, who is absolutely going to spend their friday night watching a fat woman with a father wound's wishful daydream animated.
>..but i'm still gonna watch it like a damn trainwreck, so frick me I guess
ditto. see you on friday anon.
https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Mimzy
>Mimzy is a bratty, materialistic diva, who appears to have many self-centered traits that the people around her react strongly to. She appears to conflict with other strong personalities. She has also been described as larger than life, ambitious, determined, insecure, sad, depressed, and consumed by the need to be famous.
>During development across Zoophobia and early drafts of Hazbin Hotel Mimzy was "head over heels in love" with Alastor and early illustrations depicted the two in what appeared to be a romantic relationship. This element of their dynamic has since been moved on from, with Alastor being re-written as uninterested in all forms of romance.
Feels like accidental self projection, dunnit?
That would explain a lot, but it kinda makes the character less obvious and interesting when you expand upon it. Like it's actually cool and creepy the whole thing with his antlers during the Vox song and results in a different look. In contrast to what some gays are saying about unoriginality it's almost like taking two random things and mashing them together which is about as 'original' as you could get in principle.
>Radio + Deer = Alastor
Then just trying to make something out of that without being too literal, and after the initial WTF? I'm okay with it.
A bit like Charlie supposedly being based on a goat. I can kinda see that in the original design - a baby goat anyway - and it's an excuse to give a bit of a snout, so it's all good. Whatever the original thinking it's not a bad angle to come from to wind up with something different than the average gay is likely to come up with.
It seems the idea here is to find some excuse to pick an animal/concept to base each character on anyway, so meh, and even if a hangover from her older work, it's all good, (not uncommon for ideas to be built up and reworked over time). I like how radio and TV are more conceptual than the kind of thing you'd immediately think of when it comes to superhero powers. Like they are somehow born of and representative of those media on some level rather than, "This is Snowflake and Safespace, who were exposed to experimental internet gas", or whatever. That kind of shit is much more unoriginal, tumblrific, and damnable. I can see the difference would be lost on some people, but it shouldn't be a particularly subtle one for an artist.
I wonder if they'll ever be any explination as to why they have animal inspiration in the first place.
If I were her and wanted to explain it quickly, you could have someone offhandedly mention something akin to 'the beasts inside of us' or 'the animals we truly are', but I don't think it'll even be brought up.
Another reason why I think the writing is poorly done.
I find it funny that people go "omg, he's SO 1920's" when Alastor doesn't really dress the part. A big problem with Vivzie's characters in Hazbin is that the Sinner cast are meant to be pulled from different eras of American history but this hardly reflects in their designs, let alone personalities.
There's plenty of fan designs that are better. Pic related.
that looks like shit
lol no.
That's exactly the kind of 'just as expected' shit I'm talking about.
From that fan design it seems like the only major thing they changed was his hair, which was my no. 1 complaint about his design. Other than that the suit and shoes are relatively the same (I NEED her to stop adding pinstripes to everything) but that fan design is too monochrome. I see the vision though, it's good. But then again I'd literally take any redesign of alastor that doesn't have that HAIR.
Pffff oh yeah! you people sure can come up with stuff so much better...
Yeah, that's horrendously bad, and predictable, and the only good things about it were inspired by the original, but then mostly screwed up.
>Oh I zigzagged BOTH of his antenna
Like wow amazing.
Stop making me defend that c**t Viv you guys.
>the redesigner said he was inspired by Skibidi toilet
Donde esta el Titan Speakerman?
i love seeing bad artists thinking their redesigns are so good when in reality they're worse
Yeah, actually more delusional than Viv, and that's saying something.
>Probably get doubly butthurt when you acquaint them with that reality too. Sad. Many such cases.
Why the frick does your image remind me on how twitter tried to redesign Ilulu from maid dragon? Is it because they deliberately aim to make something grotesque?
Damn! Verbalase fricked THAT?
what a stud
I need an invinsible reference
Sauce?
Finished watching the show. Really pissed off because where the frick was Verbalase? I was waiting the whole time for him to show up. Anyway best scene was also your pic related.
I love Vox! He's the best of this entire shitshow!
i think he's cool. i dont know anything about the comics or much about the vivzieverse at all but i think vox is neat, this is my first time meeting him
>Adam shit
They trying to hard to make him butthole, but I liked song and his second in command
Not sure what to make of this image. It's well edited for what's tantamount to a shit post.
thanks
i've done others, its just autistic crossover shit
why are you drawing fat art
why do you think
you are being paid to??
I've seen these same images with fat art on rule34.xxx under same artist. it looks like he does have twitter
i do, yeah
Who made this? This looks really well done
i did
dont get it
heads up for the reviews dropping now, they're only based on the first five episodes of the season.
Charlie and Alastor shouldn't be swearing.
homosexual writers want everyone to sound like Rick & Monty, no class
Don't care about this show but does this b***h get beaten up or bruised at any point? Preferably not off-screen.
I don't want to sound like I'm just skipping criticisms like the one in picrelated but why the frick all the people that hate on the show online have profiles like pic related, have the same 3 or 4 arguments word for word (I've seen the "how's this Adam father of mankind?" like ten fricking times, word for word) and are surrounded by some circle jerk that agrees with every single thing they say(sometimes the same persons on 100 different tweets)
>how's this Adam father of mankind
Adam was actually a pretty shitty person. After he ate the apple instead of apologizing to God for breaking one single simple rule he was all "Well, Eve gave me this apple, and YOU gave me Eve so it's all YOUR fault!" and that's why he and his wife were banished. So yeah, Adam's a jerk.
How could Adam know that women are source of all evil if he was a first man and there was no one to tell him? He was right!
He didn't blamed only Eve, he also blamed God
Only thing Adam did wrong was to trust a woman.
>God for breaking one single simple rule
They're like toddlers at that point experience wise. And expecting a toddler to not put something in their mouth is practically impossible, so he is right in a roundabout way.
Also a bit ironically, Adam couldn't know that disobeying God was objectively wrong without the knowledge he gained from disobeying God.
You'd be suprised on how many accounts one person can have
Also I'd act like a dick too to sinners that committed atrocities to my fellow man
>twitter
>reading opinions when you see the trans flag
Your fault for not scrolling past.
trans rights are not human rights.
Fine, you want a more extensive criticism of the show?
-HH focuses mostly on style over substance, it wants to be flashy but has little other to offer besides shock value and overly flashy colors
-Design wise, too much red, too many characters fit the same skinny sexyman archetype. BG characters seem like they had more thought put into them which is a bad sign.
-More over, most of the characters are pretty shallow and insufferable. One note archetypes with little else going on. Alastor and Vaggie seemingly the only ones with ever so slightly more nuance but even barely that beyond "Mysterious OP spoopy guy" and "Protective angy lesbian GF"
-Pentious is almostly solely used for comedic relief, same with Nifty. Husk seems to be thrown in to be the angry b***h faced one. AD is pretty much just fetish fuel for the author but feigns depth with "muh rape scene and abusive pimp" but then is just the most cliche horny gay bawd you can imagine
-Charlie the main character has a nonsensical motivation and no depth as to why. She just kind of is this over-optimistic go-getter that feels alien to her own setting
-Vox is only slightly charismatic but we all know we will be sidelined for a shitty toxic gayship with Val and easily defeated by Alastor sneezing his direction
-Lucifer and Adam are utter jokes despite being the big honchos in their respective realms. I assume they are nerfed,dumbed down and made a mockery of so people like Charlie but more importantly Alastor can shine. debuffing characters to elevate others is shit tier writing
-Numerous animation errors
-Musical numbers are perhaps the only sort of OK thing here. But the musical numbers don't really push the plot or characters forward, are often needlessly crass cuz of Vivzie's awful humor and just kind of come and go
-Worldbuilding and plot are just near non-existent or constantly contradict one another. It's obvious this crucial aspect was a backburner after thought
Couple that with Hazbin's status of being overhyped, it's zealous aggressive autist fanbase you get a recipe for "Could've been Great". Not that the show needed to be super deep or emotional (although it does push for that in jarring whiplash moments of seriousness). but the fact it really feels like a first pass of someone's fanfiction and not a fully realized animated series with backing from large companies.
I really think Vivzie is too immature, too green and too egotistical to be a decent showrunner of any capacity. I think in time most will realize the show only formed due to her nepo trust-fund baby status as a popular rich kid and nothing more.
Overall a disappointment, especially for a show in a position such as hers. She should've been more committed to living up to those expectations afforded to her. Instead, it feels like lazy and over-indulgent, it's about as surprising someone like her got the reins to something like this - much like Verbalese getting 50k to blow on his own coom bait.
To add on to this. They frick up their own lore in their reimagining of Adam and Eve. Apparently it was his and Eve's wish to share the "magic of free will with humanity." But since Eve's very own creation we've seen her have nothing but free will. She rejected Adam of her own will. She married Lucifier of her own will. She ate the apple of her own will. So why bother with the apple in the first place? Basically two idiots opened a Pandora box for absolutely nothing.
To be fair, contradicting itself in a matter of seconds is pretty in-line with the actual book of Genesis
It's Lilith and Eve comes latter, but my point still stands, that these characters already have free will. What is it that they're hoping to achieve by eating the apple?
This one is less Vivzie's usual bad writing and more just that she used Lilith out of obligation. The first step to understanding why this doesn't work is understanding what is being adapted
Lilith is a figure in israeli Mysticism designed to address how Genesis 1 and 2 immediately contradict each other by having God create women twice and the contradiction you just made arises almost immediately, that Lilith's supposed rebellious attitude makes no sense before the apple is eaten even there.
And this is where it gets a bit dumber, Lilith is literally just borrowed from Mesopotamian mythology as a means of explaining the Genesis 1 and 2 contradiction without much thought.
Her origin story has inherently never made sense as a result and her myth is only really notable because it's the definitive "frick women amirite?" myth which made her somewhat of a feminist icon during the boom in occultism in the late 20th century
Thanks anon. I hope all the years of bible study was worth it a little.
Thanks anon, a rule that you're gonna find consistent with demonic lore and myth in the west is that it's mostly way more recent than you'd think and way stupider origin than you think.
"Baphomet" is literally a mistranslation of Mohammed from the Crusades.
Combine that with the early Christians/Catholics making breaking things their job and 19th/20th century archaeologists habitually making shit up, and most "esoteric knowledge" we have is pretty much bullshit made up in the 20th century during the occult boom started by Thelema
Adam should have been St. Michael but everyone likes St. Michael because he's based so it would probably turn people off
You can tell none of these people even touched a bible
but the trans flag already gave the hint they have no plans too. And I dunno what is so special about it, there's been depictions in other media that heaven is full of buttholes who think they are better.
Why are you replying to me in the middle of your post, what did I said wrong?
I was using an example cause not alot of people know Adam was an ass as he threw Eve/Lilith under the bus
Oh, I thought I was an example if someone who haven't read the Bible
yeah he was kind of an butthole now that I think about it lmao, is funny seeing all twitter being like "Adam's supposed to be righteous, he would not be cursing like a sailor" but Adam in the bible doesn't have any characterization apart from being a dumb frick
>Grr, the meanie people are making fun of the show I like
Is the show really getting shat on that bad, that people who defend the show have to run here and post screenshots just to defend it? Because if so, then that's hilarious.
I genuinely never know what these gender flags mean. It's only used by US Americans nobody else even knows these things besides the general rainbow flag.
To your question, sometimes it can unironically be bots if the questions are exactly the same. Most criticism I saw against this show was about "problematic" shit but maybe they grew out of that phase not sure.
The animation is a noticeable downgrade from the pilot. No soul to it anymore.
Do we get to see Charlie and Vaggie 69 until they squirt in each other faces?
no, just the other gays screeching and swearing
>M rated adult animation set in Hell
>cutest dykes don't have raw wet messy sex
Disappointing
Probably when Vaggie gets her angelic form, then we can see her's and Charlie's demon form have sex
no, as I said before, viv is a fujo and dont care about other case of sex but gay
VIV YOU FRICK, YOU BETTER GIVE ME MY EXPLICIT YURI SEX SCENE
sory anon, you will be lucky if they implicity show they had sex. there are more chances of a sex scene of charlie cucking vaggie with a guy or vaggie being raped and Im not even kidding
Whatever you say charlastorgays, sounds like you are trying to vent in here lol
lol that image has so much utility it has escaped containment
you fricking idiot its obvious they're being sarcastic
i, however, am not, ALASTOR YOU NEED TO SAVE CHARLIE AND MAKE VAGGIE STRAIGHT AGAIN BY DICKING HER DOWN
I just think it's hotter if Charlie is straight but being groomed and molested by Vaggie, is all.
Charlie is obviously straight, you can tell by the way she responds to the men around her, especially strong men like Alastor, and doesn't with Vaggie. It might be subconscious, but Viv couldn't make it any more obvious with the animation where body language is purposely exaggerated to communicate emotions. Chaggie shit looks forced, because it is forced, but with Alastor she responds like a normal girl to the attention of a man.
Case closed. You lose Chaggiegays.
ngl, if it weren't for the fact they outright said Charlie and Vaggie are together, I literally would have never realized it, it really just feels like yuri bait rather than a genuine couple/ship Viv honestly likes. You can usually tell when a creator's invested in a ship when they have genuine interactions or even when the story temporarily detracts/focuses to invest on them instead of frivolous "trust fall" things that feel more like "why do you doubt your ship enough to see if this would work. The usual strongest ships are usually very pointed at towards near the end of something (series, season, etc).
Well one of the fun things about any kind of romantic aspect of a story is seeing it play out usually with some kind of arc, and that's just not apparent here. That's why people are naturally more interested in Charlie and Alastor, because it feels like the start of a typical romantic arc, more than any interaction she has with Vaggie.
>inb4 existing relationship doesn't have this
Meanwhile it's perfectly obvious how Moxxie and Millie feel about each other.
It's just laughable that some homosexual with $50k to burn has a more convincing romantic relationship with Charlie than Vaggie does at this point.
You fools, we all know that Vaggie is the one that was groomed and mindbreaked by Charlie to be her perfect gf when she was kidnapped as an Exterminator
>implying this never happens
>supporting actual sexual assault as if it doesn't apply to lesbian/alphabet shit
>proof rainbow flag gays are just using it for cover so they can abuse young naive people just like the tradgays always warned us about
>play victim about ever being eyed with suspicion, shunned, in the closet
>will act shocked when forced back into it sooner rather than later when normal people are finally sick to the gut of their literal gay shit
the show is ending with Vaggie making Charlie a housewife, making her forget about the hotel and beating her every day with a soap sock when she gets from work until Charlie can't longer take it and she shoots herself
Also Angel dust is there too I guess
Vaggie is sexually assaulting Charlie everytime she even touches her. Just a typical dyke who tricked a young naive girl into thinking she's 'bi'. I can't wait to see Charlie get rescued from this manipulative b***h by a man showing her how heterosexual she really is.
>"Not tonight Vaggie, I'm not really feeling it."
>"This is like the 3rd month of 'not tonight' in a row. What's the problem?"
>"I've been thinking... I think I might actually be strai--"
>"No, sweetie. You like girls. Take off your clothes."
>"O-okay."
Not happening. Charlie does not approve of sex before marriage.
And she is endgame with Alastor.
I'm sorry about whatever happened to you, but this ain't the place to vent about your issues lol
I'm sorry your canon ship has no chemistry and nothing going for it.
>50,0000
was worth it
>50,000
Ops
the scene where charlie takes off her shoes and puts her stinky feet on the tiny demons
She looks like she fricks Verbalase
>first batch of episodes come on Friday
I’m not looking forward to seeing this swallow up 60% of the web and every moronic grievance that comes with it
more like 90%
>meanwhile shows like Monkey Wrench and Murder Drones get completely obscured but that's okay, have a woman with a microphone up her ass while she's thinking about twink Angel getting ass raped as someone pioneering indie animation industry
Monkey Wrench, sure. But Murder Drones is doing very well for itself, I honestly prefer that show not being insanely popular and being a bit niche rather than frick loads of normies talking about it. It's quality kino that is respected enough by the people that watch it and that's okay with me. If it had the entire web talking about it like say, Hazbin Hotel or Amazing Digital Circus, it'd probably curb my enjoyment of that show slightly. Not enough to stop watching, though.
>Le show that I like is not as popular as le show I don't like
grow the frick up, b***h
Hey uh Viv I can understand that sexual abuse victims use sexual abuse porn as a coping mechanism but uhhhhhh did we really need a 20 minute long scene of Angel Dust being raped in every single orifice on the final episode? By every single named character?
I've never even seen the og pilot on YT.
How would you pitch it to me without resorting to waifu posting?
Charlie is the only decent chara, the show 90 obnoxious homosexuals preening and being massively gay whilst she just stands there doing little.
So if you like GAY GAY GAY FAL LA LA homoshit musicals, you'll love it.
Otherwise, you'll want to have a nice day 5 minutes in.
That sounds like a shame, I heard the sideplot was getting interesting but that the biggest disadventage was doing a lot of "tell" and not nearly enough "show".
and btw, I actually like musicals, and it was way to gay even for me, you literally have to be gayhag fujo or a wienersucker to enjoy this, no offense to queers, enjoy yourselves
charlie was just normie bait in the end
Despite the gay shit and general weirdness its actually a pretty impressive piece of work all things considered. It's punchy with a lot of little details and visual gags you might not even notice the first time. Original VAs are great, better than the new ones in a lot of cases. Obviously a lot of genuine care went into its production.
One criticism I have is it takes five minutes of shit to get to the first the Charlie scene where you start to get a real clue about what's even going on and what it's even really about. Before that you're watching some literal homosexual buying drugs and a silly snake dude fighting a b***h who throws bombs for no immediately apparent reason. Then if you can tolerate Angel Dust again long enough to get to the hotel itself it starts to get a lot better, especially when Alastor shows up.
The songs are catchy and great, and Charlie is genuinely a cute character.
>Helluvaboss is about a group of hitmen that kill people on Earth at the request of those in hell
>this gets dropped on the second episode to focus on yaoi drama instead
>Hazbin Hotel is about the princess of hell trying to rehabilitate sinners so heaven stops genociding hell every month
>this gets dropped on the second episode to focus on yaoi drama instead
is God trying to tell us something here
That Viv never grew out of her Tumblr phase?
anon i dont think vivzie's case is a "lack of growth" thing
its more like "started doing something cool with a promising artistic vision but immediatelly fell off a cliff"
I remember seeing some clips of when she was doing the earlier designs for this, she seemed full of passion.
It's pretty sad to see it all get so misused.
>>this gets dropped on the second episode to focus on yaoi drama instead
wait, is that actually confirmed?
HH didn’t do that though, Vox v. Alastor isn’t teehee lovers tiff drama, they very obviously hate each other.
>this gets dropped on the second episode to focus on yaoi drama instead
More like second season. The first will be good, then the second season will frick it up as the show looses direction, much like HB. Viv already said the second season will have more 3 vees, so expect the sappy flashback episode of alastor and vox going from friends to enemies as the entire second season focuses on them in a stolitz fashion. I'm almost certain season 2 of hazbin hotel will have its "The circus" episode
>2nd season
Viv is a c**t. No chance this shit gets a 2nd season.
it's already renewed you fricking israelite moron
Easy to say that shit, but look how many other promises seasons of shit never actually happened at the end of the day, even had their plug pulled at some point of actual production.
Send me your PayPal anon and I promise I'll send you $5000. So feel free to go ahead and spend, spend, spend right now, because I pinky swear I'll delivar.
More like first episode, they seem to be jumping right into war with heaven crap.
it's not even the good kind of content fujoushi are into
hazbin had plenty of cringe but many aspects of its art, animation and general atmosphere showed some genuinely great taste and soul
as helluva boss progressed you could see it get squandered in real time, until you get to season 2 where it becomes nearly unwatchable due to how horrendous it all is. there is no charm anymore, its all garbage
the dialogue and writing got so bad its genuinely unwatchable if you have a modicum of taste. well this entire franchise is now for moronic immature 14yo teenagers with indeed zero taste whatsoever
0/10 biggest waste of potential ive ever seen on television
Tell me
How does it feel to watch Viviane Medrano singlehandedly ruining the reputation of indie animation?
she's just another coomer like us, but fujo
>she's just another coomer like us, but fujo
based, i hate females, but i can respect a fellow coomer, even if it has a vegana
Indie animation has always been shit
Viv is a sellout so I don’t care
Hazbin Hotel shouldn’t even be counted as indie
>best
VERBALbASEd
>worst
homie I ain't watching this shit. I still want to finish primal and check out the unicorn warlords whatever cartoon by gennedy
what episode is this? I wasn't gonna watch but now I'm intrigued
damn hd version
Huh
I've seen a lot of people make fun of this but to be honest: based
>thread is nothing more than discussion of the verbalase thing
yeah this show will never recover
>cast and art team is full of weirdoes
>Viv is pathologically unable to shut the frick up
>animators get shit pay
>verbalese
>Viv's rape fetish
>something equally moronic will surely be discovered tomorrow
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
As abysmal as the show is, the drama is kino.
I can't wait to see what trashfire will be lit next. Probably after the show drops and reviews flood in. She's gonna go nuclear on social media.
>Predict next drama specifically.
My guess: It will come out the Viv is fake 'bi', and was always just pretending. Her female partners will come out and say she's totally heterosexual.
Viv is just 2 gnomes on a trenchcoat
Someone finds Vivzie's old AO3 or literotica
The drama and discussion surrounding the show is and will infinitely be more entertaining than the actual show itself
I like when Valentino is brutally beaten to death with a lamp for 8 minutes straight
Charlie and Vaggie are a cute couple of good friends.
to the people complainign the show dont follow biblical canon.
are you really that dumb to expect a a theology class from this?
People don't want to read, they want to be told via animations
No. They simply are against the deception for how our reality works.
Charlie gives Verbalase the meanest head game, and right after she is done giving him the GAWK GAWK 3000, she then kisses Vaggie in the mouth and lets her taste the yogurt. Vaggie won't know a thing.
So is there any actual proof he spent 50k or is it all hearsay?
More shit talking Vivziepop and her writing on the seven sins. Lucifier falls into the same stupid category as Bee and Oz does when it comes to representing their sin. Lucifier is describe as someone who had big aspirations, but it isn't his pride that lands him in hell. It's having stupid ideas that lands him there. Why is he in charge of the Pride ring?
>Ok Cinemaphile, I don't see a lot of people discussing this so I'm gonna be direct
Do you think that anybody except us and twitter cares about the "Angel Dust stuff is rapey and not appropriate representation", "they swear too much" or "Vivziepop made fricked up shit like drawing some snake fricking a girl, a teacher and a student fricking, a fanart of someone doing blackface " or this is just a bubble situation where everyone inside of the drama think that it really matters for the ratings just because some tweet about it got 50k likes
I've seen normies on insta, reddit (yeah fricking kill me I use reddit sometimes) and TikTok talking about the show and nobody cares about the controversies, and if they do they fully support Vivziepop
I honestly think if vivziepop didn't use twitter all of that stuff would have flew right over her head, so my opinions is that this shit doesn't matter, and Hazbin having a very supportive fan base will be a success for Amazon, I mean shit, the boys: diabolical was a sucess and it was only talked about for a week or so
TL:DR: Nobody outside of Hazbin generals or twitter cares about Hazbin controversial stuff, and Hazbin will probably be a success when it comes out (even if I don't know how much of the internet success translates to tv ratings numbers)
>anyways, opinions on this?
>missing the point
It's not that anyone necessarily really gives a frick, but that it's typical hypocritical shit from the usual suspects who whine about everything else.
Like nobody actually gave a frick about Gal Gadot raping that dude in WW84, because nobody gave a frick about that movie at all. But they were still pointing and laughing at dumb 'muh firstest ever female director of whatever' being so blind to their own one-sided shit, they didn't even notice that dude was being sexually assaulted without 'muh consent'.
When she chased and raped that black guy.
Haven't seen it yet. Was it worth the wait, or did the wait kill it?
It's gonna be "mid" as the kids say but get an immense following anyway because of the cult-prone nonpersonalities of zoomers
Adults anon. Adults roleplaying as kids. A majority of them are all adults in their 30s to 40s who think they are still teens or in their 20s.
Episode 1 was meh, Episode 2 was ‘good’, and even reviewers who overall disliked it said it got better the more episodes in they got, so I’m hopeful
Didn't even know this shit came out, just that some nerd BBC made an ecchi animation about the girl. Verbal scholars...I won!
Went a bit heavy on Adam. I would prefer if his disdain towards evil person is him still being mad at Cain. So it's still a bad part for me, but his song was entertaining. Except the "solo" part
i'm sorry but the vox shit was cheesy, especially the musical number.
ep. 2 charlie and the pentious/angel dust conflict are the only things i've liked so far.
>Haha! I spent $50k!
I dislike how these indie production shows have random episode lengths, and release schedules
I get that there's no actual need to stick to a schedule-dictated time format but consistency is valuable both for when to expect releases and how long they'll be
Hazbin Hotel isn't indie anymore.
it's indie... indi(r)e straits!
>not posting the image
For SHAME.
to be honest I'm embarrassed about that one and I don't think it even deserves a carlos, it deserves an arrest warrant
HIDE AWAY HIDE AWAY FROM ME
Is it called Hazbin Hotel because they are all washed up "has beens/"
I'm here for one and only one thing.
Heckofa Boss.
Present the Boss.
The "noble serial killer" crap was never a good trope.
This.
And it has no basis in reality. Look up the 35 or so deadliest serial killers in US history - a bunch of freaks and grotesque sex weirdos.
I like how "Verbalase" has instantly become the Brandon of Hazbin Hotel
TELL ME MORE TELL ME MORE
i like when charlie makes adorable faces! x3
She cute
very much so!
Adorable, and not just in a usual design-an-adorable character way neither. All her animated antics were cute as in the pilot. Redesign can be cute, but it's so sad and worst decision for the series by far.
Never watched this show but I always assumed "Hazbin" was the name of some obscure Biblical demon or something. But it's really just a mutation of has-been? gay
>gay
yes
and a shutout to the "bbc" poster, it's sad how much you've been trying to get some (You)s, but this isn't that type of show...
It’s not BBC, It’s a forced meme about some moron who took out a bunch of title and payday loans had his YouTube channel fail and is probably going to have his wife leave him because he developed an actual Fictiophilia level obsession with Charlie
Wait
He's fricking married?
Yes, he’s literally in his 40s
>sorry honey I wasted our saving in a video where a fictional character is trying to rape, I hope you dont mind, love you
KEK Im not surprised at all, marriedgays always have shown being more fricked up than single people, I guess bore for monotony?
>KEK Im not surprised at all, marriedgays always have shown being more fricked up than single people, I guess bore for monotony?
No, that's just what polygynous gays tell themselves. Monogamous, married for decades, have never so much as looked sideways at another woman. Always have only been interested in ever having one woman, (it's enough trouble just dealing with one too). Don't understand the appeal of any other lifestyle except on some superficial bemused level.
Not all marriedgays are like me, but we do exist. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I said monotony, not monogamy, moron
also
>we do exist
cmon anon, remember where you are
Why does this somehow feel more pathetic than if he was a kissless virgin?
because the wife was cucked by literally a fictional character, reminds the case of that girl that shipped herself to bakugo from BHA being married in her 30's. she also draws herself being raped by bakugo
normie hypocrisy, they say getting laid and being married is a symbol of sucess but in the end everybody is a weirdo with a deep secret
Why did I just assume he was and miss this hilarious detail?
Should I have? Shouldn't I have? I'm a little conflicted ...
Their marriage isn't going well, I'm guessing. If it wasn't before, this should be an interesting conversation.
In love with a fictional character and 50k.
Your wife sure as frick isn't going to react well to you spending money you don't really have, and your career failing, and that's before she even finds out why.
will Charlie ruin a marriage?
Definitely deserves an honourable mention in that threat we had the other day about cartoon characters that have killed people.
>cartoon characters that have killed people
Ember McLain? Applejack? Martha speaks?
Toaster too
Now that loser is gone, Ember is all mine!
Is his wife black too?
Well I was wondering the same thing when I wrote that actually, but I'm not as racist as you to go wondering out loud. Frick you Hitler.
I don't remember being a liberal arts reject lel
>going to have his wife leave him
Holy shit! I never even thought about that. Christ this just keeps getting funnier all the time. Thank you internet.
Write what you think he said to her and/or write a better explanation that he should have said.
meh. I know someone with time dysphoria and is living 10 years in the past.
God that would be bliss. Not knowing what happened to all your favourite movie franchises.
It's over Vaggiesisters...
>series ends with Charlie giving in to every sin
kino
Charlie can't resist the stereotype. Being a white girl and all.
Nah
I don't see any dogs in that pic
But Verbalase is a black guy, not a dog.
Does the snake frick the cyclops?
Does the VA actually attempt to mimic Stamper or is it just Fiz 2.0?
after this fricking event I say charlie must be miss Cinemaphile 2024 in honor to verbalase
I vill vote for Mrs. Chalie aka soon-to-be Mr. Verbalase's wife.
It might get her out of round 1 but that's it.
So is there a melancholy ring or we have the basic sins only?
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with god, and the Word was God.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, [4] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Amen.
We should post scriptures for people to easily notice, like in streams and such.
It just isn't
fricking
FUNNY
The only things that actually kill Hazbin and Helluva are their fricking terrible, bland, late-Simpsons-but-naughty-words """humor"""
It's the same shit that killed, I dunno, Disenchantment, or almost any of those other 'adult animations', they're not FRICKING FUNNY, it tries to be a comedy because it doesn't want to actually lean into the sentimental and serious (WHICH IT ALMOST ACTUALLY HAS SOME FRICKING COMPETENCE IN SOMETIMES, funnily enough) shit, but then ISN'T MOTHERFRICKING FUNNY AAAAAAAAAA WHY ARE YOUR JOKES SO FRICKING PREDICTABLE AND LAME it just falls flat CONSTANTLY and yet throws this shit out with such confidence, fricking CHRIST
Where in the shit can I dl ep1 other than mega? Mega is such a piece of shit and I goddamn motherfricking hate it. Every link I find is just the pilot rather than ep1.
Check other thread [one with Vox head as the OP image]
Someone posted a google drive link as one of the first posts.
Not sure if legit or not.
Will do, thanks.
This is a show for young teenagers and tweens that think cursing or being edgy is the funniest thing ever. My niece watches this show and that was the first impression I got. It's worse than family guy.
>Vaggie randomly disappearing/reappearing wasn't just awkward editing in the trailer, it's in the show itself
I don't know how cartoon production works: would they not have had the time go back and fix that considering the trailer came out months ago and that error was viciously mocked everywhere?
It'd be a huge waste of money to go back to the first episode of season 1 to fix a very minor animation error, especially when they claim they are already well into working on season 2.
Not to mention the error is hard to notice
>Not to mention the error is hard to notice
It's the easiest animation error to spot I've ever seen
a half second instance of vaggie disappearing in-between a cut as the viewers attention is focused on Charlie singing
Its not good but its not egregious
They left King Crimson's ability in Hazbin I see.
Why do I still feel that Walt Disney would have fixed shit even more minor than that in the 50's when it wouldn't have been so easy or cheap to fix?
Vaggie watches Charlie get mating-pressed by Verbalase in the corner.
vaggina