Seeing that the season is over. What are your guys thoughts overall of the show?
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Seeing that the season is over. What are your guys thoughts overall of the show?
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Too much shit going on with nothing feeling earned.
The ending was good as the opening was shitty. Will tune in if there's a series 2 but I only liked the show when the plot felt like it was moving forward and Vaggie with Charlie didn't feel like they were sisters.
>ending was good
>The Angel's don't know their own weapons can harm them Eben though punishment for not obeying is getting maimed with weapon
>They also essentially leave the keys in the ignition by leaving their own means of death laid about
>Camilla calls herself an angelic arms dealer meaning people KNOW that these weapons exist yet no one has tried it out on an angel before
>Charlie useless in own fight has to jave dad come save her
>Razzle dies no one sings about him(rip)
Really?
Razzle got a statue out front
I saw, but they act like only one character died that day. Razzle is like her childhood pet.
People say it's a pacing problem but Helluva Boss has the exact same problem so i'm thinking it's a writing issue more than anything. Lots of interesting plot points in the show but the execution feels hollow.
Helluva doesn't have real producers. They're shit a lot, but they also stem bullshit.
I meant to say that people think it's an issue with them only having 8 episodes but again, Helluva Boss has the same issues with there being little build up in between plot points, like they just want to skip straight to the big events with no build up.
There's also the fact that Helluva Boss's first season also was only 8 episodes so maybe it was something Viv personally requested.
HH is pretty much the “Adam and Lute” show with some background characters like Sir Pentious and Charlie.
I literally skipped Alastor, Vaggie, Carmine, the Vees, Angel, and many others and it barely changed the show at all.
None until someone posts a fricking mega. I don't own a TV.
It was very good for a clearly rushed story that's too ambitious for their limited time. Very few annoying things in it and the campy nature of it's story due to the songs and comedy makes it easy to forgive its shortcomings.
That said, what's going on with characters like Alastor, Husk, and Vox is far more interesting than Charlie and the angels, so I'd like the show more if it was about them rather than her. She's like a defacto protagonist and nothing great, everyone else would make a far better lead than her and Vaggie.
>No double/triple/quadruple/etc penetration mindbreak tentacle sex between Alastor and Charlie in the bed.
Come on Viv, Make use of the 18+ rating.
>Alastor having sex with anyone
Normally I’m one of the first to call out “””asexual””” characters but in Alastor’s case I would say it actually fits him
I think Alastor would frick someone (Charlie) if it stroked his ego and devastated her gf and family.
i don't think he would. it would have no physical appeal to him. he might lead people to believe they fricked to play a mind game, though.
anon is right, i unironically think angel dust should've been the main character of the show. but that's just me, charlie is fine if not a bit...flanderized. if thats possible from her more slow burn pilot version, where she clearly is being rushed on the tv and selling point.
her busting into cheery song was more played up as a joke in the pilot where in the show thats literally her whole character and it got old fast.
i unironically found the villains songs better then hers, with "hell is forever" being absolute banger and in the first fricking episode lmao.
Charlie feels less like a character and more like the plot device in Adam and Lute’s story. Since they are the parents for the redeemed sinners.
Lute is barely a character anon, are you genuinely moronic
She is a character by being Adam’s not-wife. Like women were designed in the real world.
i like lute and adam shipping, but im not sure where you got the parents thing from.
Remember what happened after Adam redeemed sinners?
YOINK! They’re mine now.
I like Adam/Lucifer shipping
best lucifer ship
I love these cucks!
>Both got betrayed by a woman
I don't get why they can't be at least hate friends.
lilith didnt betray lucy, she just dumped him
seems like betrayal to me, what a b***h, she didn't even have a good reason
Lucy fricked Adam's first wife and corrupted his second wife. Now he's come to claim the man for himself.
He's the demon of pride, of course he would want the first in everything
It’s funny how HB and HH would consider Lucifer to be one of the worst overlords by far. Adam is pretty much the Pride rings only redeeming feature because he stabilizes his children for Lucy.
But Lucy dares to cry and mourn when his Charlie gets hurt, when he stolen Adam’s family from him and left them like this!
>No mask
Ruined
It's perfect
cutest homosexual ship
Complete shame that they saved any interaction between these two for the last minute, let alone mentioning one another, only to get rid of Adam and remove any potential of them beefing it out again. Really the worst possibly choice narrative wise all around, only way to rectify this would be to bring Adam back as a demon. The relationship between Lilith, Lucifer, Adam and Eve is just too interesting to gut one of the core components out this early.
>Dad.. it's "I'm going to frick you up"
>No Charlie! I've been waiting too long for this, that ass is MINE!
Where are Cain/Abel and the other ArchAngels
Lute fricking sucks she was really boring and her unmasked look was ugly, I really wonder why she's liked so much
Shut up Vaggie you filthy traitor
Lute has a LESBO haircut and looks like a hot topic employee
She delivered some good lines and she had mostly believable motivations for being antagonistic. She's not my favorite but she's a good character for what she's meant to be.
>the hell-time equivalent of a 25 YEAR OLD WOMAN, She does not ACTUALLY need Alastor and Rosie to tuck her into bed and stuff.
what's wrong with getting tucked into bed? not trolling, im genuinely asking. im over 30 and me and my friends still tuck each other into bed. it's nice :3
get out of here, groomer
good music, overcrowded story, hit and miss comedy.
I loved it but I can't argue with people pointing out obvious plotholes like Vaggie not knowing that angelic weapons can hurt people.
Still, can't wait for season 2.
It was a mess. It's not terrible, but it wasted so much potential as too many ideas were thrown in without any of them being properly developed and the writing is very subpar. The only episode I genuinely liked and thought was good was the 7th one where we had some good pacing, nice jokes, good songs and fun atmosphere. That episode was honestly one glimpse of how this show could have been.
This. Show should've been like four episodes without changing 7 or 8. Besides the plot holes. Thos were rather large.
Episode 8 has so many damn plot holes. Like why was Lucifer not there at first? Or why didn't Razzle and Dazzle turn into dragons at the start? How the frick did no one in Heaven knew you can kill an angel with angelic weapon when they ALMOST DID THAT with Vaggie?
Also just some stupid decisions like rushed romance between Cherri and Pentious and his death that I basically laughed at due to how sudden it was, how shit Pentious's Heaven design is. The weird way Heaven powers work where they do pretty much whatever writers want apparently because they can kill sinners permanently and yet they also send Pentious to Heaven? How does this work?
I honestly think this should have been like one story. Maybe Angel being redeemed. That way you have a story you can fully develop, you can delve into the character interactions (Charlie speaking how much she loves all of them is laughable given that she did not have a proper dialogue scene with half of those characters) and even if you do not have a second season you still have a story with beginning, middle and end, a fully realized idea and ending that can be hopeful and insightful as it ends on first sinner being redeemed and knowing what it takes to redeem one and you are able to take in the emotions of it instead of... that.
>How the frick did no one in Heaven knew you can kill an angel with angelic weapon when they ALMOST DID THAT with Vaggie?
They likely figured it was because she was deserving of such a punishment and was thus already pretty much a demon, that their divine blessing was what allowed them to do it, or a combination of the two.
They probably assumed they would just regenerate like how Demons hurt by normal weapons do. Vaggie's wings grew back so she probably guessed she couldn't have been killed.
They shouldn't have, her eye didn't regen, why did her wings?
>7th one
I thought that was the worst episode. Everything in it felt pointless and took away from the much needed characterization of the main cast. Its the penultimate episode in a character driven show where we have not spent any time with the main cast and yet we are introducing new characters? Really?
I just liked the vibes in it. It had funny moments, quite a bit of heart, had some good songs and pacing was not asinine that tried to make me care about Rosie as if she was there from the start and writing was also okay besides Vaggie not figuring out that Angelic weapons can kill angels when she was almost killed by it (also how generic is the message of Carmilla with fighting for love). It just didn't rush to the extreme the part it tried to show and it was just nice fun episode.
Also I think I like it so much because in some ways it really reminded me of Over The Garden Wall which again managed to be a GREAT story despite it having even shorter runtime than HH.
It was surprisingly better and not as annoying/juvenile/cringy as I expected
I enjoyed some of the songs and characters more than I thought I was going to
Not sure if I'm gonna watch S2 though since Sir Pentious is probably gonna have even less of a role now
Why would you say that? He is in the perfect position to have a bigger role
>since Sir Pentious is probably gonna have even less of a role now
Nah he should have more a role if they want it to be good he is living proof Charlie was right and him coming back in S2 to flaunt that would do the show good.
The sinner that got sent straight to the boss' office instead of the gate?
I think his role will be huge, he's clearly a special case.
i hope he meets angel's sister
Probably gonna think it's actually Angel Dust after redemption and wonder why he got breasts now.
Kinda surprised me with how good it went. I think what left me most surprised is that the moment to moment dialogue and interactions weren't cringe and most of them were either funny or succesful emotional hits. The songs were nice and I really liked the animation throughout.
Probably a lot better than most S1s of "cult" cartoons. Gravity Falls Season 1 wasn't nearly this good.
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It was rushed as frick and nothing actually felt earned. Its also weird how the show is supposedly to empower the female characters and yet all of them are either helpless or boring and it is the male cast who do everything in the end. Viv must have some pretty glaring daddy issues given how Lucifer rushes to save everything in the end and just coddles charlie while fighting all her battles.
Characters need to calm down and shut the hell up. The likes of Alastor and Pentious stood out, and not just because they don't talk like 12 year olds all the time. Now Alastor getting his shit pushed in by Adam, combined with being Lilith's purse puppy, actually make him a better character than if he was the 9999/9999 also I'm God Gary Stu he kept being presented as. They make him more interesting by giving him a good contrast. Sir Pentious is actually one of the most likeable out of all of them despite being portrayed as pathetic pretty often, though it was never clear why he went to hell in the first place (selfishness?) However, I generally agree that it was extremely rushed and the show should've been about Husk, Vox, Alastor, etc rather than Charlie and Vaggie. In general, the pilot characters were much better, both voicing and writing wise. A lot of designs are eyesores except for ones like Lute's. Also most of the songs are cringe and I couldn't stand them.
I take it you've never seen HB? Her daddy issues have been apparent for a while.
Too rushed. Show needed 12-15 episodes, not 8. Everything was going at warp speed and months passed in the blink of an eye.
I'm surprised that this thread didn't turned into a religious shouting match.
I think people will eventually have to accept that this show has about as faithful to the Bible as your average jRPG.
Never understood why Vivze just all the mythos of all the Abrahamic faiths.
Pacing was fricked. Could have used a few more eps to help (12 ep season could have worked). Some cringy stuff here and there but overall pretty fun with some catchy songs
Snake boy is best boy and Adam should come back as a sinner who needs to seek redemption
>Adam should come back as a sinner who needs to seek redemption
Just bring him back. But bringing him back as a denizen of hell would be great. I wonder if he would let Angel suck his wiener?
Adam is not a sinner and will never be a sinner. He will walk around with a hole on his chest, where the cross was located.
Found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCqBrQdQPQ
Was he right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM6IaRr3Mgs
>be vaggie
>useless
>have this as your gf that always helps you and have unlimited power
She is smarter than 99% of the cast, her existance in hell is on easy mode because of this b***h
Vaggie is the one who always helps Charlie though
Getting tired of Vag hate, how is she useless. She literally had a bounty for her head and fought off a bunch of exterminators and Lute without any help. Not to mention the only reason anyone could kill angels at all was because she could get weapons from Carmilla.
NTA, Useless?
No.
But she's written in severely contrived ways, she herself believes just instinctively that Angels cannot be harmed like everyone else (EVEN THE PRINCESS OF HELL THOUGHT THIS), despite being the victim of a mauling by an angel.
Like, it's not just that she didn't know specifically angelic weapons could do it, but that she genuinely thought an angel couldn't be harmed at all, legitimately thinking they were invincible except from other angels?
But I mean, that's still fricking stupid because it means if anyone could deal with the angels it'd be herself, an ex-angel, the closest thing to dealing with them.
Of course, before Carmilla slaps the stupid out of her.
I for sure assume that Vaggie's weapons had been taken from her which is why she went to Camilla at the very least. But no she still had the fricking thing?
Apparently exorcists treat their weapons as toothpicks.
I think the "Angels are invincible" subplot is probably the worst thing about S1.
I CAN buy the idea that Vaggie disregarded her own assbeating because it was another Angel doing the deed, but even putting that aside, she should have known that she herself wasnt invincible. That she could be crushed by a building or that she can bleed if slammed against the ground hard enough. Why would she ever think she was Superman?
Yeah. Like in the history of extermination no one ever crushed an angel under some rocks
Or no one in thousands of years did not even once tried to hit an angel with Angelic weapon they leave around so much? That's stupid.
I do like the explantion someone gave about about Faith, since this is a religion inspired story after all.
Sinners didnt dare rising up directly because they believed they had no chance, and I kind vibe with that logic.
It's the Vaggie angle that makes no sense. She 100% should know she's not invincible.
Lute got crushed under the debris and couldnt move.
Maybe they replaced the rebar in the concrete with heaven steel. Vivzie really thought of everything.
That, or the rubble didn't do shit, she as an angel able to wound herself.
She was only pinned down. It couldn't kill her. Glad that we agree on that.
She was still completely immobilized, and it is implied that she tore her arm off by pulling it from the debris.
The debris must have had an effect on her, otherwise she would have been able to pull her arm out and there would be no damage to it.
Apparently the stuff that Hell is made out of just can't kill Angels. They might as well be Superman in Hell.
The mere fact that her name is "Vaggie" automatically ruins any scene where we're supposed to take anything remotely seriously
Okay what her name should have been?
Why she have sagging breasts?
>Okay what her name should have been?
Something that isn't "Vaggie"
>Okay what her name should have been?
Angela
best animated musical thing i've watched in years.
how about yona. still means vegana (yonic) but more subtle.
ye, she grew on me those last 2 eps
Cope, she is shit then and she is shit now. Her voice being easily among the worst.
It was fricking terrible and was full of bad writing, stupid commentary, and an obnoxious fan base that decided it was peak fiction before any of the episodes even dropped.
>commentary
There was commentary?
It feels like a mistake to have the MC in an already established relationship and then have the only drama from their relationship be resolved so fast without any real confrontation. Plus Vaggie is a dumbass. She herself is an Angel who was wounded yet somehow she needs assistance to learn how to kill the angels? Vaggie seems more like a fan OC than an actual main cast member.
Lucifer just seems like a deadbeat dad but I’m supposed to believe he loves his daughter this much after them interacting on screen once or twice? They could have shown a bunch of missed calls from Luci on Charlie’s phone or explained the situation better to show Lucifer isn’t more at fault for their lack of relationship.
My final complaint is Viv obviously struggles to write the female characters and weirdly avoids sex in regards to lesbians. One of the only established relationships in the show and there’s not a single mention of them fricking? Come on.
Vivzie is a fujo and a fat woman, she’s completely divorced from her femininity or any sexuality relating to women getting pleasure, she can only vicariously live through fujoshit
it was fun
1) All the songs were total bangers. You're a Loser Baby, Hell's Greatest Dad, Poison, You Didn't Know, just loved them all.
2) The pacing needs a LOT of work. Season 1 could have used another two or three episodes to slow things down. I hope Season 2 has ten episodes at least.
3) I really liked them reinforcing Alastor's villainous nature at the end of Episode 8 because it started to seem like he was coming off as a good guy a little.
4) Some of the characters seem pretty stupid, intelligence-wise. Adam and Lute banish Vaggie to hell by using angelic weaponry to sever her wings and pluck out her eye, but then they act surprised that angelic weapons can kill angels? Seems incredibly contrived.
4) The new VAs were outstanding. Am I sad the originals were canned? Yes, incredibly so. They gave the characters their starts and quickly cemented the show's charm. But I cannot say the new VAs are a downgrade. They were great. Angel's singing voice was 1000x better in Poison/Loser Baby than in Addict.
5) Most importantly, I WANT MORE. I want to know why Lilith is a deadbeat mom, I want to see the implications of Sera's failure to see sinners as redeemable and the fact she was responsible for the total oblivion of countless possibly redeemable souls, I want to see Lucifer be a bigger part of Charlie's life, I want to know exactly whose got control of Alastor's soul, I want to see Emily and Charlie be besties. I just want more all around. I loved the show.
>All the songs were total bangers
Now let's not get carried away.
nta
>S tier
Hell is Forever, You Didn’t Know
>A tier
Loser Baby
>B tier
Poison
>don’t give a frick tier
The rest
Good list but I’d also put Mor Than Anything in A or B tier
They were. The only one I was less than enthusiastic about was It Starts With Sorry.
The fact you don't even have Stayed Gone on your list proves your taste is awful.
There's no way anyone actually liked any of Vaggie/Camilla duets.
It's incredible how shit the songs in 7 and 8 were, especially coming right off of You Didn't Know, all the songs from the first 6 range from okay to amazing though
I liked the ending song for the last episode. It had a nice musical feeling.
The V's part was also great.
Cannibal Town song was great, vappa
really reminded me of old timey musicals, i’m suprised people didn’t like it
Vaggie and Camilla song was awful. The Vaggie and Charlie reprise of More Than Anything could have been good if Vaggie wasn't garbage.
Cannibal song and the finale were good.
The worst part about Vaggie and Camillas song was easily that it COULD have been fricking great, but it just absolutely fricking was not
I want to see them actually tell me the rules of this world. It's so different from standard heaven and hell we can't assume things. It needs to be said in the show, not in some tweet, whether there is a god, how demons came to be, how hell was created, how the karma works were people end up in these places, and who can kill what.
Half the time when there is supposed to be drama around heaven, hell, sinners, redemption etc I have no emotional attachment because I don't know how any of this shit works. I'm not even sure if there are any stakes. I ended this season and it was such a mess I can't even figure out if Adam was a bad guy. I guess no? Were there bad guys at all?
It was fun if you turn your sense of cringe off.
Some of the songs were good.
you know i like the idea of Saint peter having a young like body,
why should anyone have the look a old man in heavens?
i mean i always imagined that in heavens people will have the body of their prime not when they were at their oldest, weak time.
this design is trash
it also makes no sense for him to appear if neither God nor Jesus exist
Both Jesus and God were named (in vain) by Helluva Boss character, they exist.
>named (in vain)
that's when you say you'll pray for someone then dont, and pray for selfish and bad things.
I saw the pilot and did not like it.
So you're confirming you didn't watch season 1. As such your opinion is irrelevant and you have no reason to be here.
Why would I watch a full season of anything when I didn't like what I saw?
NTA. Cause the pilot was done independent while the show is back by Amazon.
>Vaggie with her one eye and clipped wings:Hurr, how does one hurt an Angel???
Is she slow? Is she seriously THAT slow?
>OH mielda I'se done turned away from heabbun
>maybe das y I iz vulnerable n shiet
If they did something similar in the show it would have made sense
Didn't expect to like it, didn't expect to tear up during Out For Love, didn't expect to get agonizingly obsessed with one of the characters. Wish I could undo it.
Cute hooves.
It was an absolute fricking disaster and yet for some reason I liked it.
Introducing the heaven vs hell plot was a stupid idea. IMO the best episode was the Angel Dust one and it strongly demonstrated just how good a story purely made up of character stories about redeeming sinners could have been.
The biggest objective fact is that it's definitely rushed for something that amazon surprisingly only gave 8 24 minute episodes to.
Or rather, that Viv accepted such a shit idea when it's clear judging from the pacing issues this produced that she must have wanted to write for like, 12-20 episodes.
Some stuff reeks of wanting to be extended or elaborated on.
Some of the songs feel undercooked or lacking substance if not coming out of nowhere due to the potential pacing.
There's several episodes that essentially are setups for elements later on and not much else, and some of those setups are for stuff that DUE to the low episode count are going to be Season 2 content.
Otherwise though, it's worst moments is still a 5/10 and at best, it's really nailing it out of the park, not that everyone will agree, but damn it does it actually do a good job.
Oh, despite the 'at worst being a 5/10' Vaggie almost singlehandedly is a pretty objectively shit character who is pretty much either an audience surrogate, plot device, or downright stupid just so the plot can work in roundabout ways.
I can't believe I actually grew to like Charlie, literally everyone but Vaggie is marginally intriguing.
>amazon surprisingly only gave 8 24 minute episodes to.
Amazon only purchased the distribution rights, a24 is the one that funded Hazbin.
I keep telling people that it was Viv's moronic own choice to make it 8 episodes, why can't people just accept that she is a moron.
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I mean you have Over The Garden Wall that had 10 11 minute episodes and it told a cohesive story with very good characters and great pacing. So... The 8 24 minute episode point is kind of mute. It was Viv who fricked up by not adapting.
OtGW worked because it kept it simple (stupid). Smaller cast, clearer goals, doesn't try to dangle a million different plothooks to bait theory youtubers with.
They'll fix it in Hazbin Hotel Kai.
>literally everyone but Vaggie is marginally intriguing.
Problem with Vaggie is that she is too saccarine, too accomidating to Charlie and so, feels like an absolute waste of a character. This is an angel who defected, her whole arc should be to come to recognize demons as potentially redeemable and yet, she starts out that way. What is the difference between her and any other demon of the cast other than an extremely simple backstory only worth for a reveal everybody and their mother saw coming that had absolutely no ramifications for the plot whatsoever.
Are are the ratings/numbers on these last episodes? Did it fall off because there was no driving force to keep watching?
I need the mega for eps 5 and 6, I got 1-4 and 7,8
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Anon I goy eps 7 and 8 from that but eps 5 and 6 are behind some weird encryption shit. The two files also don't have thumbnails but with so 7 I can see Charlie and so 8 I see cherri and angel. When I try to watch ep 6 and 7 I can hear the audio but can't see anything
It's not my mega I just found that in the archive
Thank you anon.
>Vaggie and Camilla in the same room
>Spanish clams and guitars start going off
This is ridiculous.
but how would you know they're both hispanic?!?!?questin mak?/
Inb4 Vaggie gets a rainbow colored "¿" or "ñ" over her eye next season to show she's moved on from heaven for good and embraced her new identity. Also she gets a Sombrero every musical number and says "it's redemptionin' time, amigxs"
I feel like I wanted something more character driven. Or, I guess it was sort of character driven, but they didn't have anywhere near enough time to execute it. Also the ending being a punchfest felt a bit out of place, and strangely anticlimactic. All the drama had been essentially resolved, so it didn't feel that emotional.
Good ending, but everything leading up to it was quite weak.
The pacing is awful and that's the primary thing they need to improve on.
What did you like about the ending?
The fact that the super secret way to kill angels was with their own weapons?
Or that Lucifer appeared just in time (why wasn't he there in the beginning?) to save the day?
Or that they still deciding to go with the Hotel idea even though they pissed off Heaven even more?
>that Lucifer appeared just in time (why wasn't he there in the beginning?) to save the day?
This is what I don't get. Adam just made a clear threat Specifically to Cahrlie and the first thing she does is...go cry in her room? Why not call pops up and have him help like her said he would. I don't really like Charlie characters. It's like she just sits on her ass and waits for the plot to drop solutions in her lap.
She just wants head pats, either from Dad or Alastor
Eh, the fight scene was pretty good, unlike the worthless fight scenes in Helluva Boss where they murder a bunch of fodder and there's no stakes.
Alastor's short song when he was recovering from his wounds was my favorite of the season, biggest "oh shit" moment so far.
Problems:
>Carmilla is a dumb character. Give her her Pilot design back, Viv.
>Vaggie is useless and I hate her. The very definition of a forced romance.
>Lucifer being 100% on board with his daughter and acting supportive is sort of lame; having the most powerful being in Hell backing you up takes away any stakes moving forward.
>Pentious' death is too anticlimactic for my tastes
>Pacing is fricked. Felt like a speedrun of 3 seasons worth of plot and drama, none of it done particularly well. Why the hell are we having a battle against Heaven in season 1? That's like a mid-series level threat before the actual big final boss reveal.
>inconsistencies like Charlie not knowing about Cannibal Town despite Pentagram city not being all that big, Vaggie being a moron and not remembering that angel weapons can hurt exterminators earlier on.
What's going to happened in Season 2?
Vox kino
SoL shit and tragicomedy about sex and mommy issues.
>SoL shit
Unironically what I want
And what S1 was suppose to be.
Viv said the Vees would become the primary villains.
The angels still don't know their weapons can harm them.
Alistor and other old overlords vs V's. Angel killing Valentino, probably with the help of his brother. Lilith comes back and Charlie is happy but Lucifer isn't. Snake guys hijinks in heaven.
Its not really hard to predict.
And setting up something happening to Lucifer either at the end of the season, or season 3. Probably due to Lilith and Alastor.
He has to go. Both because of power, and to make Charlie have to take over full responsibility.
I think the antagonist's go...
Season 1: Adam and Hell's disrespect
Season 2: V's, while Heaven does their own shit.
Season 3: Lilith/Heaven
Season 4: Alastor
You're forgeting alastor is confirmed to be controlled by somebody stronger.
Also Eve might be a Vilain instead of Lilith
He's controlled and restricted by someone stronger, that makes me think him being unleashed will be the big bad. He doesn't have institutional power unlike all the scripture named characters, which operates on different rules.
Eve is the wild card though, yeah. Lilith owning Alastor is way too obvious, but also every blot beat has been predicted before release.
I got to admit, setting up future villains from the beginning is a good writing decision.
I don't think Alastor ever becomes a proper villain since he's so popular. At worst he might be the villain for a season only for the reveal to be that he was helping somehow
Nifty is my fave, I Hope she gets her own episode. I don't know how would they do the "she's actually good deep inside" thing they do with other characters when she's a violent sociopath.
It doesn't seem their style, but I really hope she doesn't get revealed as more important than she is. The overlords being paralyzed by how much of a weird gremlin she is should stay comedy and not plot.
can't go wrong with kimiko glenn
speaking of kimiko glenn, she's Susan also isn't she?
Not a dumpster fire but my god anyone proclaiming there is nothing wrong with it or that every bit of it is fine is really fooling themselves. I am so glad I never dropped a penny on this. I know people who did and I see the disappointment in their faces. Not because they saw it as garbage but because they realized they were paying good money for mediocre or bare minimum.
It was good. It's better than derivative, subversive trash like Scott Pilgrim or Masters of the Universe Revelations. Even though it goes into the well-tread territory of the 'stupid misogynist being a villain' it was actually done well. We need more likable villains that are enjoying themselves. I'd like to see ChAdam come back next season.
Is there fan art let alone fan fiction where Adam wins?
If Charlie supposed to be a goat furry thing does that mean she has white fur and not pale skin like most people think?
Charlie and Lucifer are apparently meant to be based on looking like 'porcelain dolls' - Her having hooves apparently wasn't thought out or means ANYTHING. Even according to Viv, Older merchandise Viv sold before production of the show started showed Charlie with regular human feet.
fyi Viv also said that Angel Dust apparently has hooves despite him being a spider.
Let's hope Alastor wasn't much of a foot-gay
Alastor has been prominently featured with antlers, I can't imagine him having anything other than cloves hooves
He does have hooves
hoofchads, have we made it?
Sex with Alastor
>Not showing his ass and this still leaving the tail unclear
We're gonna be blueballed on that forever.
Pretty sure Vivzie made them all the characters have hoofs just to frick with footgays
Oh he is bestowing eyes upon them Charlie hoofsies.
When she hopped on the red dragon my first thought was prostitute of Babylon.
I liked it. I went in expecting it to suck but found it enjoyable. It's way too fast-paced though
It was mostly fine. The music was phenomenal. The 8 episode limit made everything go at a breakneck pace. Its highest highs weren't as high as helluva boss but neither were its lowest lows as low as helluva boss
It had some good songs
your song taste is horrid
>looser in C
Shit taste.
>Loser Baby in C
Trash list
Putting any song from episodes 7 and 8 anywhere above c tier is some trash taste
Pretty great, well worth the wait. Only a couple of things I didn't like:
I hated Husker's voice actor thanks to Rick and Morty.
I was wondering just what WAS going on with Lucifer. Is he a shut-in or something? Also, they really fricked up with his proportions early on.
> Is he a shut-in or something
Yes, he's suffering from depression. Thousands of years of exile, impotence, and your wife leaving you will kinda do that.
Cringekino. It was good, it was one of the first things I liked in a while
A lot of the character arcs and important plot points are being rushed (except maybe Alastor) because of the show's runtime, which is frustrating. Some of the lore's logic is really horrible as well, and the animation/panning can look really wonky at times. Beyond that though they really kocked it out of the park. The characterization, visual design, music etc is great as a whole.
I'd give it an 8/10.
>Does absolutely nothing but backseat the entire season
>Musical sucks with that huge portion of him not even being in rhythm and just spouting words, Alastor carried.
>A portion of people seemingly still like him, some even put him high tier on tier lists (overrated).
Vox is annoying and boring to me. Overhyped even.
I wanna see him get the Theon treatment not gonna lie
i'll agree he was a bit overhyped, i was expecting more of a insane media mogul and less of a b***hy little brother trying to impress deer daddy.
I'm mixed on it. Storytelling and character writing was kind of clumsy in a few ways but it wasn't unwatchable. People complain about the pacing but the literal speed of events was fine it was just too unfocused for the episodes they had, in retrospect a lot of time was spent setting shit up for season 2 that really should have been used fleshing out this season instead. Vaggie and Charlie have 0 chemistry and I didn't even realize they were dating until they explicitly say so in the heaven episode, no I have not followed anything about this show since the pilot. I guess it's main virtue is the undefinable state of not being boring, a virtue probably chiefly derived from it being essentially an animated broadway musical, also the animation is pretty good. 6/10?
Carmila with her hair down was a 10/10
>Why yes, I do have have an army of crazed fodders willing to fight angels for you AND I'm a relationship expert to get you and your homosexual life partner back together
I wonder how her (Lilith) and resurrected Adam will talk, since Lucifer told Adam he done-the-deed with Eve too.
>No Rosie and Alastor becoming adoptive parents to Charlie after Lucifer sacrifices himself fighting Adam / in some big final battle.
Anon, Charlie does not NEED 'adoptive parents', It may be confusing since she's drawn so moe and smol And is extremely emotionally incontinent and immature, But In-Universe she is biologically basically the hell-time equivalent of a 25 YEAR OLD WOMAN, She does not ACTUALLY need Alastor and Rosie to tuck her into bed and stuff.
That's Tag:AgeRegression tier shit.
I think the "Lilith"=Eve and "Lilith" is 'someone else'/'hidden somewhere else' stuff is possibly true, But Episode 7 coupled with 8 made me actually DOUBT the 'Rosie'=[Real]Lilith bit of it.
Alastor, When he's not in control or confronted by someone whose stronger then him is obviously characterised as being extremely quick to anger and having temper-tantrums, He makes a pissed off face when everyone just speaks over him at the overlord capo meeting, He's not even able to 'pretend' to not hate Lucifer for 5 minutes the moment he meets him. And just look at the scope of his breakdown at the end of Episode 8 when he got showed up by Lucifer and basically embarrassed in front of everybody.
But by contrast, Alastor seems to be 'completely' cordial in an unforced way with Rosie whenever their on screen together.
If the "Lilith=Eve and [Real]Lilith=Rosie and 'Rosie' has Alastor's balls in her purse" plot-theory is actually correct. Do you think Alastor would actually have the self-control to go along with 'Rosies' bullshit in front of other people in such a way? You'd think he'd at least be giving her the 'i'm actually pissed off' smile like in picrel every time he looks at her.
He's "friends" with Rosie, so he enjoys her company, attitude or the stuff she partakes in. She's chipper and banters with him, seems more civilized than other hell denizens.You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the people are usually friendlier towards their *gasp* friends!
Alastor is just a big baby b***hboy around Lucifer because he's not king of hell or doesn't have as much power. The character's archetype is power-control-freak with vague intentions.
Also Vivzie is too much of a smoothbrain to pull of advanced writing techniques like that.
Yeah im not denying that, I was questioning the [Real]Lilith=Rosie theory precisely because of that. Rosie could probably be called a 'Friend' of Alastor.
But the hallway scene in Episode 5 with Husk/Alastor and his meltdown at the end of 8 pretty clearly shows whoever is bossing him around isn't a damn 'friend' of his.
The 'Lilith' we see in the finale isn't really Lilith. It's Eve disguised as Lilith, probably fueled or possessed by Roo/Root of all Evil which is the big bad primordial evil.
Rosie = TRUE Lilith, Lucifer's actual wife and Charlie's actual mom - she is hiding for some contrived reason that the show is gloss over despite being a major plot point I'm sure.
The idea of Eve struggling to contain her anger when Adam replaced her with Lute and given Lute the saved sinners like “Sir Pentious” is really amusing to me.
>Rosie = TRUE Lilith, Lucifer's actual wife and Charlie's actual mom - she is hiding for some contrived reason
Yes, but you see, My actual argumentation is that Alastor's friendship with 'Rosie' seemingly makes that LESS LIKELY to be true - Because we clearly see that Alastor is not good at biting his tongue when confronted with someone in a position higher/stronger then him.
If he was a hair away from killing Husk on the spot for even mentioning that he's enserfed to someone else, And had that giant breakdown at the end of Episode 8, When confronted with someone obviously stronger then him like Lucifer in Episode 5 and immediately having an argument with him, And got angry when he was more or less ignored by the other high-level overlords during the capo meeting.
With all that characterisation is he ACTUALLY going to be FRIENDLY to Rosie [see: Lilith] when she's right in front of him going on about a bunch of shit he already knows the truth about?
Lousy, rushed and bloated, the flashy colors and visuals completely crumble under the terrible writing. It’s not godawful sure, but it can’t handle the weight of the unnecessarily large scope it took on in just 8 episodes. The first season should’ve been a simple client-of-the-week built on the basic premise to slowly introduce and ease the audience into the world, not a immediate doomsday scenario with the cast needing to defend the hotel from heaven and their relationships with each other being sped-ran in 8 episodes. Even the world building is non-existent because nothing is actually explained on how things work nor given time to slow down and sink in. It has interesting visuals and a nice song or two, but it’s foundation is extremely shallow and weak
>The first season should’ve been a simple client-of-the-week
lmao, I think we're all glad you'll never be in charge of anything.
I've seen that idea a lot but I can't imagine anything less interesting than the hotel shit played completely straight. Even the stuff we got in the show was kind of weak with the actual character development almost entirely independent of it.
The problem is the show didn't have any time to go into it at all. Angel was basically the one sort of redemption we got to see. Sir Pentious just had one song singing sorry and didn't have any further moral issues.
I actually agree with him on that. I wanted to see more of them trying to help redeem sinners - you know, the premise of the hotel the show is named after?
Adam had to perform the sacrifice for it first so the redemptions can actually work.
Adam dies AFTER evaporating Pentious. Like it or not but Sir fricking Pentious is the first human to ever be redeemed ever
Sir Pentious was in a state of nonexistence until Adam paid for his sins.
Lute is his new lover. It’s a lot more personal in a different level from a child.
>Vaggie and Lute are about to die
>He saves them as he sees them as his kids
>Goes back to heaven
>Complains that he didn't want to go back to heaven and demands he goes back to hell.
I meant redemption in the more narrative sense. Whether or not they literally go to heaven is a plot point for the overarching story
You also need to remember the great reward of redemption. It’s not heaven. It’s meeting the father. Since Adam has never fallen, he still sits on the throne.
Are we gonna have to name you Adamschizo or something?
it will never be good, season 2 will be even worse
>nothing is actually explained on how things work
Nothing has to be 'actually' explained. So long as the show works within its own logic you should be able to infer things. That's how, at the time of the pilot's release, a lot of anons worked out was going on with Vaggie.
The show has shown Deals working without actually explaining how they work. Like another show.
Viv is a hack, season 2 of Hellva Boss showed this
I would say everything other than the musical piece were bad. I'm kind of shocked even that a show so bad managed to kick Disney's current musical put's ass so hard.
ESL speaker
Seriously can't tell if you're high or just moronic with that post, man, it's confusing. Maybe don't paint yourself as an idiot next time when talkin' shit
I don't understand adamgays. He's just beetlejuice.
Giving charlie hooves was a shit move
I conditioned myself to hate this show so hard and I was genuinely surprised to see I actually enjoyed it to some degree. Yeah it has flaws, pacing is too fast St times, some characters are introduced out of no where, some jokes just don't land but I didn't hate the overall experience
>I conditioned myself to hate this show so hard
How do people become so miserable like this
I feel like it was a scaffolding that they can potentially make something great with.
>Husk frowns when Alastor shows up alive and is being hugged by everyone during the finale.
So if your overlord dies do you not automatically 'know' somehow like your soul coming back to you? Because i think Husk just 'assumed' he was dead.
The only things I hated were charlie making the favor deal, Vaggie's wings, vaggie sparing lute, vaggies voice, Vaggie not realizing angels could be hurt by angelic weapons after it happened to hurt, basically i just hated vaggie
The songs were fantastic. The animation varied from being just ok to being fantastic but it was usually pretty good. Some of the comedy was a miss but there were lots of good jokes and bits in it and I laughed out loud a lot. Pacing was fast at times. Most of the character design was good aside from Husk and some background characters just being run of the mill fursonas
he may have assumed Alastor was injured and slowly dying somewhere or that Alastor had fricked off to recoup his energy and hoped that it absence would last longer.
What do you got against Husk's design?
He just looks like some 15 year old's Klonoa OC fursona
What if I like that
That's okay, anon, we can have different character design tastes <3
No, there must be an objective measure of aesthetics!
he should be a fat cat
The only person Viv allows to be fat is herself
Lows were 4.5 out of 10, highs were 9/10, averages around 6.8/10
Could have been much, much better, hopefully season 2 will clutch it.
They never even explain Charlie's tax policy. 0/10
Hell is the 'Anarcho-Liberal' dictatorship that can spawn in Victoria 2 and instantly destroys your country.
Been a while since I didn't mind multiple threads for the newest hit show
They are so cute together!
>she actually loved him
>he actually cared for her despite his cruel words
this alone made the show good for me
so why did adam wear a fatsuit?
It felt like more of a season 2 then an establishing season than anything else near the end. It was so rushed and we barely get to know anyone that I felt like vivzie expected everyone to know her own ocs as well as her. If there was a first season about establishing hell and all the characters and then we had this as a s2, it would be 10x better. There were so many moments that weren’t allowed to breathe because the pacing was so fricked. Where’s the episode(s) where we get to know the overlords and why alastor coming back was so important?
The vees were my favorite characters and I hope they do more next season.
Did anyone else noticed that the last episode just feels like a rushed retelling of thw Battle of Hogwarts? Or is that just me.
The bubble shield that in the end was just moronic sealed it for me
Just watched the first episode and it was a lot better than I was expecting based on the pilot. The music was dramatically improved and it was obvious someone with some real experience helped to re-structure and focus the story. So far the biggest issue is an overabundance of superfluous FRICK SHIT FRICKIN SHIT FRICK
From the thread it seems like it's going to collapse under its own weight but I hope I'll get enough enjoyment out of it.
Gray woman bad thread?
>Called Hazbin Hotel
>Barely any focus on the hotel itself
Pretty meh overall
>No focus on the Hotel/rehab aspect
>Episode 1
Charlie tried to get Adam & Lute on her side to support the hotel, the rest of the gang trying to make a TV commercial for Hotel
>Episode 2
Charlie gets her first real guest at the hotel and shows off some of her activities she wants guests/patients to do with everyone.
>Episode 3
Charlie & Vaggie doing trust building stuff with the rest of the residents.
>Episode 4
Admittedly dosent focus on the Hotel itself much per say, but obviously lines up future plotline about Angel dust
>Episode 5
Charlie trying to get her dad to support the Hotel + Get her another chance to try and convince heaven to support the hotel again.
>Episode 6
Charlie trying to convince heaven to support the hotel and showing off the progress her residents have made.
>Episode 7 & 8
The entire cast trying to stop the hotel from being blown up and destroyed, final song is then levelling up the hotel and re-affirming Charlie’s plan to redeem people
There are so many fair criticisms of this show
But this isn’t it
But you all keep repeating
YOUR LYING, YOU KNOW YOUR LYING.
BUT IF THERES ACTUALLY FAIR CRITIQUES TO BE MADE, AND THE SHOW IS ‘AWFUL/MEDIOCRE/TERRIBLE’ ON ITS OWN MERITS.
THEN WHY ARE YOU RESORTING TO LYING?
Perhaps he means the core concept of Hazbin Hotel itself. It was originally created to get sinners into heaven to stop the overpopulation problem, which turns out to be BS. Then, it switched over to getting sinners into heaven to convince the Exorcists to stop killing them because of fear of them all growing powerful enough to threaten heaven which turns out to be BS. It all ends with the Exorcists being defeated so no more need to fear exterminations and also no overpopulation problem because that's no longer acknowledged as an issue. So now what reason is there for Charlie to want HER PEOPLE to get into heaven through using Hazbin Hotel?
>Charlie
Cause she's delusional?
Superficial brushing over the main plot point.
The hotel and it's guest are just kind of there, but there isn't a real focus on therapy. It's very surface-level stuff like - don't do drugs, learn to trust others, say you are sorry.
It's not really delving into why these sinners actual psyches or what problems they REALLY have. Even the showcase with Angel is just kind of "well he doesn't do hardcore drugs so much now." and "Standing up to Valentino."
But that's doesn't really get to the root of his addictions or the "trauma" he supposedly is distraught over.
Husk just basically sings to him "Yeah you fricking suck like me." and it makes him all better.
It's all style over substance, derivative and void of meaning. It's about showcasing a spectacle, faux character, and plot progression because HURRYTHEFRICKUP we need to get to the next musical number!!1 It wants to speedrun everything like some checklist of obligatory things so it can just show off the music or some unearned emotional moment.
Not to mention every character is so paper thin, so tropey, so unbelievably obnoxious or underutilized. All you need to know about Hazbin Hotel is
-Le Princess of Hell is gay and bubbly wants to reform sinners. Hell is just quirky and they need HEALING its not *really* so bad!
-Heaven and angels are bad and dicks and need to learn not to be dicks, also Adam and Lute are dicks, DO YOU GET IT?!
-Spoopy Edgelord OC does spoopy shit I guess, unimportant overlord schlock thrown in there
-Look at my sexy gay super loose spider, he acts bad but secretly GOOD?!1
-Daddy issues, excessive cursing and sex jokes, everyone is moronic about the world they live in
-Plot easily resolves itself, set up next season for... MOMMY ISSUES?! dun dun duuun
Adam and Lute are pretty much the only guys that did find the way to pay up the sins for sinners when Charlie and others fiddled and thrown papers all over, hoping it would somehow work.
So Adam planned to die from the start to save his children.
Which means 90% of this show, especially with the gross directionless homosexuals, is pointless.
I bet that in HH S1 and S2, all you need to do is watch the Adam and Lute scenes, and you will have the entire story told and finished with almost of the necessary context.
That’s how weird this show is.
Pretty much. It boggles the mind how anons just eat it up simply because they want pay off without realizing that build ups make payoffs and not the other way around.
i actually kinda liked vaggie, her VA could be a little bit better but i though she and charlie were cute and her second song with carmilla was nice
Carmella carried that second song though.
Honestly Vaggie would be liked more if she were just a bit...cooler in general? Instead she's short, she's goofy looking with a hooked nose and dumb hair, nags everybody and her not realizing the Angels can be harmed was pretty stupid.
If she were also a 6 and a half foot tall hottie, alot of her flaws would be forgiven by the horny losers here.
Vaggie being stupid would be an enduring character trait. But… she’s a lesbian.
if emily was a lesbo you'd all still like her. that's not the problem
I don’t like Emily. She’s a strawman on the other end.
isnt charlie also a lesbo?
Charlie is bi.
Charlie allegedly dated some guy back in high school according to the Pilot
Whether that was just a phase or she's genuinely Bi is anyone's guess at this point.
A hot as frick Vaggie with the same personality and story role would have easily won Cinemaphile over, we both fricking know this.
her character concept of no-nonsense second in command who has romantic stuff with the boss clearly has potential. lute is the same trope.
but is she that ugly? i though she was OK looking, but her being so supportive towards kinda makes me hard to hate her (she obviously isn't that good of a character story-wise)
i think she's pretty. the nose is cute. though her design suffers from scene aesthetic over characterisation i'd say.
Vaggie isn't hot in the real show though, for the most part. Just unpleasant and boring.
Vaggie is a lesbian, so I auto-skip her and Charlie every time.
how far this board has fallen
Honestly, I don’t know what HH is for because of Adam’s entire character (literally essential to make redemption work) and Charlie and co’s non-directional homosexual love train.
It gets weirder to me since Charlie’s parents and guests are awful people (Rosie and Lucy) that further highlight Adam being far better than them. So if this was focused on the Adam side as a more Christian story, we would have Pentious, Charlie, non-lesbro Vaggie, and the big twist of Adam’s true nature. With maybe another episode afterwards that has Lute tending to redeemed sinners, with Adam showing up in the end.
The other half of the show (the non-Adam edition) would have more episodes and some BS “sinners are redeemed for free” ticket at the end.
But instead, we have this weird blender of the two that causes the latter group to absolutely hate Adam in their heart because Adam legit resembles God too much, or fail to understand what he was even doing because they want to badly deny the Bible that says “no homosexuals allowed” being canon to the show.
It’s way too weird…
i wish vaggie has a different design. her scene girl moth look doesn't tell us a lot about her personality.
Season 2 this year or?
Probably late Summer at the earliest, maybe a Halloween/October release if they wanna squirm something in.
>late summer
that would be quick
We're working under the assumption that they're doing the modern show thing of technically one season's worth of length but splitting it in two. It' only took like five months for Centaurworld's second season to come out.
I need to have sex with Adam
I think I'd watch a twenty episode season of it. There are so many questions I want to see answered. Eight episodes wasn't enough.
It was MID
>MID
You have to be 18 to post here.
I am 26 but I am very mentally ill
It amuses me how Vivzie very obviously has a huge fetish for short tops and tall bottoms.
It's a good dynamic, don't blame her
>t. vivz
You don't need to insult me like that
that's not an image of angel and valentino
>One canon ship that breaks the mold is portrayed as objectively awful
Really makes you think
>Vox shorter than Al
He tops then?
Yeah, because the only way Alastor is ever having sex is through rape
I really liked it, despite the shortcomings, but I had no expectations of the show being done "right"
Some things were astoundingly stupid however like Vaggie not knowing that angel weapons can harm angels
It's nothing that the fans can't fix
It really feels like the canon series is supplementary to the better content the fandom makes in the first place and it's amusing to see that everyone who knows about the shit she's done still hates Viv
Unexpectedly I got really attached to Vox, too, so that was a nice bonus
I went from being indifferent to Pentious to being sad for him at the end
And Adam and Lute were a lot of fun, I love it how they stole the show for Cinemaphile
Finished catching up to Helluva last night and was just thinking this lol
Even if you don't like every single one, you can find one yaoi yay in the M/M pairs, but the one F/F pair in the show with a main character is the worst "romance" I've ever seen
Viv is indeed a fake bisexual
I refuse to believe she's ever dated a girl or found a girl sexually attractive
Short kings stay winning
>Didnt even post Fizz and Ozzie
Objective ranking of the cast
I dont get the love for Pentious, he is just care bait with no actual interesting character traits.We dont even know anything about him or what landed him in hell in the first place, we dont even see him improve past the initial very easy either redemption or death. There is no character development whatsoever. The dude just exists so people go aw over him and his redemption was not earned at all.
frick off baxter
Almost every scene that involved him was funny/entertaining and his character development, while fast-paced and not that deep, was pretty satisfying.
Also, it helps that he's one of the few characters from this show who's not an butthole or an irremediable monste
>one of the few characters from this show who's not an butthole or an irremediable monste
Isnt the whole point of the show that the buttholes and irremediable monsters can get better after an nigh eternity of torment to soften them up first? What is the point of redeeming a nice person?
his new voice is worse
A bunch of sparkledog music videos tied together with a shitty excuse plot.
The only good thing is the fanart.
I'm gonna start watching Mexican animated movies. They can't possibly be worse than this.
have fun, they usually have a lot of breasts in them
always looked like hotopic Vasquez dependent garbage to me, didn't ever give it a chance. Also reminds me of that creepy CG dragon fetish cartoonist that was for some reason integral to Nostalgia Critic's The Wall review which was a major lolcow moment a few years back.
I would go insane if I started nitpicking the lyrics of every song, but
>Husk: I got an appetite for gamblin'
>Angel Dust: I got an appetite for samplin' every drug and sex toy I can find
>an appetite for gamblin'
Yep, that's the vice that ruined Husk's (after)life. Makes sense.
>an appetite for samplin' every drug [...] I can find
Relevant and important, they've just had a talk about how Angel Dust's relationship with drugs is self-destructive.
>an appetite for samplin' every [...] sex toy I can find
I mean, I guess that could be a somewhat expensive habit? But his issue isn't that his bedroom drawer is so full that he has to store his dildos in his fleshlights, his issue is having a ton of unsafe sex. Did they hastily put in "sex toy" in place of "hot guy" because they didn't want it to seem homophobic or something?
>Did they hastily put in "sex toy" in place of "hot guy" because they didn't want it to seem homophobic or something?
It seems pretty clear that one of AD's biggest vices is his promiscuity but they clearly dont want to imply it is bad because that can very easily be read as homophobic.
Which is just going to make his redemption kinda pointless. What does AD have to redeem himself of? Doing drugs? I dont think Viv considers that a sin. Having gay sex? Of course not. The moment he rids himself of Valentino's contract he will imemdiately ascend probably.
I read the situation more as the issue being him having casual sex which puts him in dangerous situations, rather than the casual sex itself. Plus I guess sexually harassing people a lot. I'm guessing the way they'll stop him being sleeping around is that he'll get a bf, which sweeps away all the delicate issues re promiscuity by making him monogamous. (After some drama where Val makes him relapse, etc., and is eventually defeated.)
>casual sex which puts him in dangerous situations, rather than the casual sex itself
I read his character as being promiscuous as a crutch to hide under. The facade he puts up is aided by his promiscuity/results in it because he does not want to commit to anything and prefers having vapid relationships. He literally hits on every male cast member.
his 'every man attracted to men truly wants to frick me' act could also be vanity, that's a sin too
>being promiscuous as a crutch to hide under
Oh, that part I absolutely agree with. But while he does hit on every guy he meets, that's usually not portrayed negatively, as opposed to his encounter with the guys trying to roofie him. I am splitting hairs a bit, though, since we do seem to agree that his issue isn't that he has a lot of sex, but why/how he does.
>since we do seem to agree that his issue isn't that he has a lot of sex
I am kinda torn honestly. While there certainly are worse (much worse) things out there and casual sex isnt even in the top 5 things wrong with AD. I hesitate to say having a ton of casual sex (with a lot of different people) is good or healthy.
I meant how it's portrayed in the show, specifically. Which is also a matter of interpretation, sure, but I'm done with uni so I'm not going to do a close reading of Hazbin Hotel's attitudes towards casual sex (though I'm absolutely sure we'll see some bachelor's theses on that subject in the next few years).
you think charlie calls vaggie a filthy angel and punish her?
anybody got a mega or something to download this season?
So now i'm wondering if lilith dumped lucifer because he cheated on her with eve.
He did… S1 E8 has Lucifer admitting that banged Lilith and Eve. Meaning, he knew Eve was disguising herself as Lilith and still had bed times with her.
Lucifer is such a big idiot.
>Adam: You are the most hated being in creation
>Lucifer: Oh Yeah- well *explains why he is the most hated creation in existence in the first place by bragging about taking advantage of Adam’s wives.*
Vivziepop constantly keeps showing us that Lucifer’s greatest traits are superficial and doesn’t give the sinners what they truly wanted, a truly loving father like Adam.
Dogshit writing, shallow/tropey characters, women-tier "comedy", terrible pacing, woke bullshit message.
3/10
>all sinners can find redemption
>woke bullshit message
pick one
Y'all need Jesus.
I'm not a christcuck. And it isn't actually about "redemption" in a biblical sense, it's about society not accepting craven frickups and illegal immigrants.
Remember to take your medication, I'm sure your loves ones worry about you.
>christcuck
Go back to your tunnel
Did Adam loved his wives ? He was mad when Lucifer brought up that he got cucked twice
He seemed to genuinely care for Lute, so it wouldn't surprise me
I think Adam was also mad on how Lucifer was treating Lilith and Eve like mere sex toys instead of woman to love and cherish. It’s quite impressive how ridiculously unlikable he is that I might actually hate him more than the real deal Satan.
>Vivziepop made Adam a sexist to show us that he truly does care, respect, and love Lute (and his previous wives) while Lucifer is a “liberal” that is an utter hypocrite that burns everything to the ground from pride.
Well that’s one mighty yikes…
Adam wasn’t that sexist honestly
he's all bluster. he calls her a b***h but lute has him whipped
Huh, you're right. He was merely crass, but all of her Extorcists were women. He clearly didn't think lesser of them, as he trusted them to slaughter the demons under his command.
his first wife was his equal. on some level, he likes women that are like lilith.
His first woman was his equal
His second woman was his inferior
And his third woman probably pegged him while yanking his hair.
And then gave him aftercare, shits important don't forget the best part anon
Yeah he should've been more overtly misogynistic, he'd have an even bigger female fanbase
Adam’s sexism is mainly about him making the demands and orders (because not doing so caused Lilith and Eve to fall)
Vivziepop probably wanted us to be baited to thinking super negatively about Adam, because Lucifer is the punchline.
>Lucifer: I respect women’s rights *cheats on Lilith with Eve when Charlie is born*
>Lucifer: But Adam, you sexist, I took your wives away and they really liked what I provided *gesturing pussy licking and humpings*
Because ultimately, Lucifer in this show is a counterfeit of Adam and doesn’t have a true sense of righteousness for the sinners to behave under him. It doesn’t help that Sinners instantly had more respect for their true father than they did for the much stronger Lucifer.
Anyone else disappointed with the official portraying of Rosie? I mean, I knew she's supposed to be a shout-out to Holly Dolly but I was still expecting her to be a calm and classy edwardian lady with a sweet, soothing voice, not a israeli-sounding busybody mom/aunt.
Her character sheet which was leaked literally said they wanted her to ‘sound israeli’, what were you expecting?
I thought I was watching Fiddler on the Roof for a second
So, how do you think pic related will be handled when he eventually shows up?
In usual modern media fashion his character will be reinterpreted in a "the myth was overblown in favor of institutional interests" kind of way for the intent of subversion.
He’s going to be the most terrifying person in heaven, but super reasonable to Charlie’s idea. Lucifer is going to be shared shitless of him however.
Vergil, but with way more sense. Hell, someone in a previous thread mentioned that he can be like Mihawk from One Piece, and that fits him perfectly.
I don't think he makes it into the show
My guess is Alastor will try to manipulate events to get him to kill Lucifer.
I’m confused about how the last episode implied that Lucifer had a thing with Eve ?
the apple
he was just taunting adam to be a dick
Well Lucifer is the one who convinced Eve to sin
Beach Lilith is Eve in disguise and we see Eve in the daddy episode. So Lucifer did know the truth about her and tapped it anyways. It’s quite impressive how Eve, Lilith, and Lucifer keep making each other miserable when Adam moved on with Lute and took the best sinners to Heaven to be their father. Adam and Lute are going to be the only happy sinner parents in this show.
Please PLEASE anon take your meds, it's for your own good
Either he was being metaphorical and was just meaning he lured Eve into eating the apple. But those pelvic thrusts he did could mean something else.
If Viv was smart then the giant reveal would be Lucifer did actually cuck Adam with Eve in this timeline and humans in the HazbinVerse are actually half-demon halflings, Which is why (from what little we have seen of earth so far in HB) even normal livings humans in this setting seem to be by and large moronic and violent invader Zim mutants
That twist would be funny since it means that Adam is loving enough to take Eve-Lucy kids to heaven and be their father.
Oh my… that’s so sad.
So why isn’t Cain in hell in that case being like ‘heh little sis!’ to Charlie?
Cain and Abel might not exist.
A lot of good ideas that aren't given enough time to breathe. In a couple of instances we're expected to be emotionally invested in a new character after spending like 3 minutes with them. It felt like 2 seasons folded on top of each other to make 1 season, and generally I think 8 episodes doesn't even qualify as a season of television. I mostly put that on Amazon because I just hate the practice in general, but knowing the constraints, the writers could have worked within them better. I like the show though. It's gay cringe but it's fun. 6/10.
Anyone else ever have a problem with these action fight scenes in these vifsee pop shows? Characters are always doing shit so fast that I find it really hard to follow, it kind of feels pointless when you can barely tell whats going on. I was surprised at how good the Adam vs Alastor fight was but I'm wondering if that was just because it was an interesting matchup or if they copied anime choreography
I've not a seen a single second of this show but the way people talk about Adam makes me it sound like he's a shittier and more immature Gabrial from Ultrakill.
As basically everyone said, the show is at least decent with the main flaw being that they crammed at the very least a season and a half worth of material into this, resulting in most of the show's big moments not feeling earned even though they would have worked had they had more time to build up to it.
If this was season 2 I'd honestly give it a pretty high 7/10 or low 8, but it really feels like they counted on people already caring about these characters from the pilot from almost half a decade ago, so I'll give it a high 6.
Ugly Americans did it better.
It should have been like a hell themed version of that movie ‘Bright’ and instead of them being ‘Sinner Demons’ - The main cast are all just hell-demons who all just happen to be living on earth
Do you think they had Wing sex that night?
They don't have sex.
100%
How is wing sex different from normal sex?
Pretty sure their not dating?
They are, but the show is bizarrely coy about it for some reason.
Viv thinks lesbians are gross. Yes I know she's "bi". Both can be true.
So Lute is Viv’s self-insert?
nah, Charlie is, Vaggie is just there to be a lightning rod for brownie points
Then why did Lute hate yuri?
>live tonight however you want
for sure. who can resist the old fap and flap?
>So now what reason is there for Charlie to want HER PEOPLE to get into heaven through using Hazbin Hotel?
Because heaven is paradise while hell is, for most, a torment and charlie genuinely wants the best for her people.
>Because heaven is paradise while hell is, for most, a torment
Hardly seen. Heaven is more restrictive than in hell so it's a no-brainer that sinners would rather stay in hell.
No. No sex before marriage. Just passionate kissing.
I made a tier list, but I'm not saying what I'm ranking them based on.
rimjob game
Snake guy would be in S
I have no clue, spare a hint because I am very curious
It's bodily related.
Vivslop, with all its highs and lows.
>braaaaaap
Would it be cringe or based if he actually became the final boss somehow?
half cringe because he would validate the gary stu shit but half based because it would destroy all his female fans
>it would destroy all his female fans
You are seriously underestimating how undying a woman's love towards 2D can be.
you have to consider that it would mean Viz would destroy his likeness to make him a villian
Cringe. He obviously has grand plans, but imo it would be a lot better if they're either opposed to or orthogonal to the big bad's.
It would be cringe since his conversations with Rosie and Nifty show he's actually fond of Charlie and the hotel residents.
There should be an "alastor is being an butthole again" arc that resolves with him not being a dick anymore but he shouldn't become the big bad
>Pic
Does it end like this?
"To end it all, and live forever"
>Ending the world and aborting the human race so that everyone who will ever exist is then in heaven or hell and no more souls enter the equation.
honestly that what I think its leading to, its setting up that he will be an antagonist down the road
Rate my angel sir pentious fanart:
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i like the detail in his dicks
where are his dicks
Cant show that here. This is a blue board.
please...?
A-Anon, don’t post something so lewd!
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Why is he wearing his hat upside down?
He slipped and fell, as you can see by the fact that he's lying on his side
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Is the 'Adam is actually the deepest and most well thought out character in the show and Viv is a George R.R. Martin level hack for killing him' schizo going to become another 'guy'?
yeah
No. Because Viv killed Adam, Adam is actually way more important to the plot and is guaranteed to have relevance (being resurrected from the dead).
But all of that is correct and Adam was done dirty.
>But all of that is correct
No. Frick off
>and Adam was done dirty.
A lot of people think that, the majority if you look at places culturally different from the US
FRAUDastor needs correction.
bwaha the gojo edit
I wonder how much friendly fire that bomb caused.
Poll
https://strawpoll.com/ajnEOR8wAZW
I must qualify my answer. I like the show, but "best of all time" it is not.
The cannibals seemed rather absent from that last fight. Need to see some angels getting ate.
The Cannibals will be used on the plot point of Adam’s body for S2.
I wonder what stamper thinks about losing a frickton of money by not being a part of this show, just because he cant stay sober
>thinking
possibly too hard for stamper and his swiss cheese brain at this point
I thought this was suppose to be a show about the wacky shenanigans of Charlie trying to redeem sinners. What the frick happened? Why the frick is this show getting Dragon Ball Super threads and Death Battle threads levels of powerlevelgayging?
The fight scenes are actually pretty cool and well done
>Why the frick is this show getting Dragon Ball Super threads and Death Battle threads levels of powerlevelgayging?
To be fair, the show kinda goes out of it's way to worldbuild power levels and the pecking order of Hell A LOT
Did you really expect the edgy tumblr show to actually delve seriously into redemption and whether people can really change? This show is just the definition of style over substance.
>same people who made hellavaboss, which is about hitmen taking care of unfinished business but it's actually homosexual Drama:the show
>thinking that hazbin hotel is going to actually follow it's premise
lol
lmao
haha
ecks dee
I really hope they don’t do any fight scenes with resurrected Adam that pushes stupid videos of:
>Adam the strongest character of HH?
>Lucifer dethroned by Adam
>Could Ascended Adam beat Roo!??!?
Turning what would be one of the most emotional reveals and pleasant surprises into power gay debates.
Feels like they really shouldn't have gone so far in the plot yet. Like, clearly HH is popular, most likely popular enough for at least one more set of 8 episodes after this set.
This 'season' should've focused pretty much solely on character/world building, I'd say only throw in the dead angel/implication that Carmine killed it somehow in the last episode or whatever as a hook to the next season, which would mostly focus on A) figuring out how Carmine killed the angel (maybe make it a smidge harder than just 'use the angels weapons against them', and B) the building hostility with Adam up until the final fight.
I wanted Alastor to actually say something like 'Ouch!' or 'Oww!' when Adam sent him flying.
I think it would have been very cute to show his reaction to getting hurt like that.
Big agree!
The way that would have gotten me so riled up....
>Giving viv money
Just buy some stuff from Etsy or Booth, since it turns out this series has a dedicated JP fanbase
>Not buying both official and fanmade merch
b***h please
Viv is a c**t I'm not giving her a single red cent
People overexaggerate Viv's flaws to hell and back.
I actually felt kinda disappointed when Alastor just sorta CoD health-regened back to being totally fine within 30 minutes of the fight.
I wanted An episode of Charlie and co' giving Alastor bedside care in his hotel room which i could self insert myself into taking care of Alastor
>No Alastor acting all tsundere and weakly trying to tell you to go away as you wrap and re-wrap the Band-Aids on his heaven-blade cut.
why even live.
I thought the implication was that Alastor took a while to recover and was MIA for a while, then appeared back once the hotel was built back up.
If only this series had the time for such an episode it'd be my favorite...I was thinking the same thing so when I finish this current chapter of my other fic I'm definitely writing a "nursing Alastor back to health" one shot. It's been on my mind since last night and when I couldn't sleep today it was all I could think about.
It's the sjw safe edgy bootlicking that annoys me and I wish she'd pick a lane
But what really bothers me at a deeper level is how she treated the pilot VAs
Not de-anoning but I do VA stuff and it would hurt my feelings immensely if I got thrown away like that after putting so much love and care into a character and campaigning to have a project funded
Tbqh after a while I just assumed demon powerlevels are arbitrary because they just don't have the budget to show Lucifer dumping all the angels into a musical pocket dimension or something.
> It's the sjw safe edgy bootlicking that annoys me and I wish she'd pick a lane
I seriously don’t know who the audience is supposed to even be. When the overall plot line is about Lilith, Adam and Lute (rescuing sinners and preventing wars between Hell and Heaven) vs Eve/Roo (trapping sinners and waging wars between heaven and hell) and the other plotlines are about coping aimless homosexuals.
Even the morals are jumbled up between Christian doctrines and “ignore the don’t be a homosexual law”.
>who the audience is supposed to even be
Just from reading this thread, few people seem to care about proper characterization and pacing. People just pick characters as favourites based on aesthetics alone and just hope that their characters get everything they want. Also, kek to the people who thought that Viv was actually get into proper redemption.
> about proper characterization and pacing
Adam, Lute, Sir Pentious, maybe the Vees?, maybe Alastor cause it’s much slower and more dynamic with him.
> favourites based on aesthetics alone
Vaggie, Angel, Charlie, Emily (hahahahh why???), Nifty, Lucifer the loser (I honestly am starting to think we are either supposed to actually not like him, or consider him to be a delusional bad person, since he’s a horrible everything until he simps his daughter)
Charlie is a character that really doesn’t know better, like Vaggie, so I don’t blame her for how naive her world views are (cause she grew up with literal Cannibalism districts), but when she turns super evil to power up, I legit don’t understand how there is supposed to be redemption from her. Adam and Lute become more human when they’re pushed to the limit. Unless the point is, Charlie, Vaggie, and Lucifer aren’t as good as they think they are (legit, how they handled the Lute weeping scene feels so wrong and evil, but they like making Adam’s sudden death a spectacle) and they may never get out of hell.
It’s like almost every character in Hell (Charlie included) is some background character you aren’t supposed to take seriously as “innocent ” or “righteous” and you are supposed to say “yeah, you guys do deserve to be there”. So the narrative is told in the eyes of questionable narrators trying to justify or define their senses of morality, while describing their biased views on the true heroes of the story that kill them for their wickedness.
The problem with the show is that it hinges on Charlie being utterly moronic.
Kinda. But Adam and Lute are the only ones who progress the story into actually achieving a functional redemption system. But the dumb viewers are literally too dumb to realize it, or they credit it to Charlie somehow (“Uh, she paid the sins by leaving heaven”) and that “Adam is evil, make him an ugly sinner, and Lucifer is so much better than him cause power levels”. That is still in effect as speak.
Even though Lilith enabled fricking cannibal societies and Adam said “no child, you knew eating humans is wrong. Kill him, Vaggie!”
> about proper characterization and pacing
Adam, Lute, Sir Pentious, maybe the Vees?, maybe Alastor cause it’s much slower and more dynamic with him.
I dont know what you are trying to say here.
>Won't say the word "moron" in Helluva
>Straight up shows Angel Dust's despair in the porn industry
>Staff members openly ship AD and Valentino hot as frick though even though I like Staticmoth better and Viv doesn't care and even defends them
>Viv insists the staff is almost all LGBT
>Viv stamps the ace label on Alastor because too many girls want to frick him and it makes her insecure
>Viv is fake bisexual
>Openly makes fun of religious doctrine
>Won't commit to showing Hitler, just says "uhh totally super evil people just vanish when they die" instead of saying that Hitler was exterminated in Hell his first year there because so many people hated him they made sure to hold him down for the angels (that was all she had to do if she didn't want him in the show)
>Always overly explaining her shit on twitter and getting involved in drama to the point the people behind that cat cartoon refunded a kickstarter donation from her
>Can't even build her lore properly
>Can't even keep her main end game villain hidden bc she wants to post her on twitter and brag about how smart the twist is to her staff who all secretly hate her and leak it anyway
Man she's like a ping pong I don't know who this is for either
I really don't think she has any morality it's just a matter of whose favor gets her what she wants at any given time
>Won't commit to showing Hitler, just says "uhh totally super evil people just vanish when they die" instead of saying that Hitler was exterminated in Hell his first year there because so many people hated him they made sure to hold him down for the angels (that was all she had to do if she didn't want him in the show)
Maybe Hitler went to Heaven.
It's because that goes against the "everyone can be redeemed" aspect of the show
>Won't commit to showing Hitler
"Dead people dont retain memories of life."
Yeah, I know they have Lucifer's magic and shit but considering we see them screwing in lightbulbs by hand and nailing shit, We can probably guess it still took a few weeks working around the clock to rebuild the hotel, So Alastor was probably laying in some hovel somewhere regenning for most of that.
They all seem shocked for a few frames to see him before the girls + Angel all run in for a hug
listen, ive been a loyal consoomer, ive bought a shirt from every merch drop. I just want some good official merch, ive bought red bubble stuff before, and theres an obvious quality difference from red bubble and shark robot
I hope good merch comes out for the main series, I looked at the shirts on the Amazon stores, and its just the promo art on a T-shirt, no interesting designs, the Shark Robot merch is so much better but its mostly Helluva Boss stuff, hoping main series stuff makes it to shark robot
dumb, lazy motherfricker
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Still don't understand what face she's making.
Pretty sure Bezos didn't plow her.
>Emily
LITERALLY made for infinite plaps into her pillowy, heavenly pussy
Pentious randomly getting redeemed when we dont know anything about his character and he didnt go on an arc to improve himself is so dumb. People will literally eat anything up as long as it validates how they feel about characters. His ascension to heaven only makes sense if he went on a journey that made his final sacrifice make sense. Instead he just sacrificed himself because, it wasnt even an act of bravery. He was willing to die in episode 2 out of desperation. Its not like he conquered some deep seated fear. I wanted to see him redeemed too, but not like this. Its so hollow.
sorry boss no slow burns around here we drink gasoline and nitrous oxide to burn through an entire season of redemption in seconds flat
the swearing makes it cringe. it feels methodically designed for thirteen-year-olds. i can't really hate on it for knowing its demographic but it does diminish my ability to enjoy it
this show is like funions
trashy full of salt and bad for my health but damn if I don't want more
One of the best Cinemaphile drops in YEARS. Mogs the shit out of owls, frogs, gem boys and talking dogs. Get gut checked, losers.
8/10 asides from some pacing issues. Looking forwards to S2 whenever it drops.
Pentious is is best boy and I’m glad get gets to have sex with everyone in heaven
What's the chances of Emily becoming the next Lucifer? Also the lack of fan art in this thread disturbs me.
I can see Adam and Lute being sad about that. Although, Sera might fall instead when she’s exposed for something and it triggers a S2 final fight.
>I can see Adam and Lute being sad about that
What?
It was full of plot holes, missed every opportunity to example an issue deeper than it took to sing a song about it, and everyone was pants on head moronic.
That said, my expectations were set so low from the pilot that it was actually quite amusing. I'll never defend any of it's creative decisions, but I did have a good chuckle.
> tfw it calls itself an adult show but it's too afraid to show actual dicks or pussy
Why even bother watching at this point?
Lies. It shows pussy every time it fades to black when you're sitting across from the screen.
I'm four episodes in. I wasn't sold on the first three, but the 4th was amazing. I want to frick Angel Dust. That is all for now.
Episode 4 is great, but don't get your hopes up. If you're expecting any of that stuff to go anywhere, you better wait till next season.
And thats a good thing. Keep the huskerdust relationship as a slow boil and dont rush it.
I want to ruin all of Angel's progress!
I want to see him get addicted to wiener and drugs again!
I'm still sad that they nerfed his fluff.
>8 episodes of schizo babble and the best scene was some 5 second part in the last episode
how did she drop the ball so hard? imps was way better than this horribly paced garbage
did the bezos bucks fry her brain and she just gave up?
Interesting. Adam, lute, and Emily all consider the outcomes as positive, but only Sera seems deeply afraid. Maybe Sera never wanted the sinners to be redeemed and Adam had to work around that.
Didn't the angels make the fricking universe? Maybe Sera wanted to straight up nuke Hell entirely, and Adam being an egomaniacal smiter ironically and unintentionally saved all the lives in Hell.
God I love Emily, but in a Favorite Niece way. Like I'd love to watch her fir the weekend and listen to her hyperfixations.
If you liked that scene you must have liked at least a decent portion of the rest of the season
So Charlie and Vaggie for sure had the most intense, sinful, horrifying, and sadistic Make-Up sex ever conceived, right?
Charlie being mad about Vaggie lying to her has to be the fastest dropped plot thread in the history of narrative.
The plot thread was resolved so quickly that no. No I'm pretty sure they just got over it and cuddled or something, that's how little that shit mattered.
This
is your answer right here, it's targetted at the same kind of people who either used to make deviantart OC donut steels or people who wish they had the talent to.
In the original script, Charlie was on her period that episode as shown by her moodiness. When they went to bed she told vaggie "I see you've earned one pair of wings back, now it's time to earn your red wings"
It was cut because Vaggie being confirmed to give head would make her character just the slightest bit more interesting.
if Sir Pentious has died and became a angel ,can adam become a devil?
>Average day at the hotel, the gang is chilling about and doing nothing.
>A bright white light suddenly appears, as every single cast member stares in horror at whatever is emerging.
>Picrel emerges, not bothering to conceal his power, as everyone feels the presence of something that could smite the entire Pride ring with a flick of a hand.
>Nobody knows what to do, everyone is either panicking or shitting their pants, Charlie is desperately trying to call Lucifer, Alastor is cowering in a corner, its utter chaos.
"So you are the guys that fought of an entire band of Exterminators? Impressive. However, let me show what it really means to go against Heaven."
You AI slopspammers will look for ANY excuse to post your garbage.
Keep it in your AI slop threads.
Looks like Michael
It looks like dogshit, like anything else an AI makes.
And picrel is?
And now the fanbase goes back to business on occupying themselves with headcanon and fanart in the 2-3 year hiatus it takes for season 2 to roll around, only to be inevitably disappointed once again by the hack directors atrocious writing before the series is dropped like a sack of potatoes for good
Such is the cycle of fanbases. It is kinda funny that there was a thread comparing HH to MLP when the latter's population started dying as a result of the lore of the show not measuring up to the theories.
I've been saying this from the start: Anyone who watched Helluva and expected any better was completely delusional.
When you put it like that, it really is an apt comparison.
Watching vizie pop stuff always makes me feel old. I skip past all the singing and I can never laugh at any of the jokes.
Is there anything worthwhile in the show despite this?
>I skip past all the singing
musicals aren't for you, bud.
I read Vertigo comics when I was young so I don't get that at all, because I'm desensitised to a much better quality of Hell.
Bold of you to assume Jesus is even canon in the Vivzieverse
Depends, how much of a coomer are you?
I liked the show but there are some major plot holes in general.
>Adam is in heaven
>thinks he is more important than Jesus
>the guy who redeems us for the "original sin" which is caused by Adam/Eve
>banished from the garden of eden but welcomed into heaven
>Lilith is in heaven which invalidates the whole "sinners can't be forgiven" argument
>sinners can only be killed by angelic weapons but overlords are killing other sinners anyway
>Angel Dust kills an angel with guns during the fight
>7 Deadly Sins are no where to be found during the Angel fight and aren't being summoned by Lucifer
Sloppy sloppy loose ends that will never be explained. I can suspend my disbelief though so it doesn't ruin the show for me.
>sinners can only be killed by angelic weapons but overlords are killing other sinners anyway
moron
>acshully Alastor didn't kill Sir Pentious in their fight because he is canon nice guy
It's not like he is making deals with the overlords he overthrows.
>Helluva established nearly all the Sins are total sweethearts
>Hazbin established that everyone runs and hides from the purges, which are apparently so easy to stop all you need are Alastor-tier powers and a big rock
lol
lmao even
Angles gun had an angelic thing on the end, also we know angelic guns already exist via Helluva Boss
I forgot that Striker has those angelic guns tbh.
>thinks he is more important than Jesus
Jesus might not even be a thing in this
>banished from the garden of eden but welcomed into heaven
Pretty sure most denominations of Christianity believe this, but again the show is trying for 1:1 Christianity
>Lilith is in heaven which invalidates the whole "sinners can't be forgiven" argument
We don't know why/how she's there yet
>Angel Dust kills an angel with guns during the fight
His guns visually had angelic weapony shit on them
Also you're completely missing the forest for the trees if these are your complaints. The are far from "major plot holes". In fact you missed the one actual major plothole type issue in nobody realizing angelic weapons can hurt people.
>we don't know why she is there
It's just a hole.
>arch angel doesn't even know how people get to heaven
>but don't worry one of the angels actually found a way to make a deal to get lucifers literal wife into heaven after Charlie is born
>also that same angel is arguing that it's impossible to forgive sinners to let them into heaven
>she needed to make a deal with a sinner and sacrifice Adam to lead the exorcists who didn't exist until Adam made a deal with an Archangel to deal with overcrowding in Hell
>don't worry Jesus doesn't exist in this cartoon
It just gets more and more convoluted trying to think about it all.
>Most denominations of Christianity believe Adam went to heaven
>Jews don't even believe in Heaven or Hell but yeah it's just canon that Adam and Eve go to heaven
It's just never stated what happens to them because the Old Testament doesn't deal with heaven or hell.
Nta but
>It's just a hole.
It just has not been explained yet. It will be explained in s2.
>arch angel doesn't even know how people get to heaven
Yeah, this doesnt make any sense and is only in the show to give Charlie more ground to be correct. But ultimately, heaven doesnt really make any sense without a ultimate moral authority and we all know God will not be in the show.
If Adam never decided to fight Charlie, or any of her friends, exterminations would have probably continued and redemption would be impossible to know.
>Hazbin hotel
>isn’t about a hotel
What world do you guys think Adam got Isekai'd too?
I'm more partial to Dark Souls.
It would be more ironic for Adam to be in Berserk.
Why would he be in Elden Ring?
It would give Adam a chance to earn back his power through fighting and suffering. The ultimate redemption. Plus, he gets a loyal waifu Ranni.
Ranni would objectively hate someone like Adam. Not even enough to give him the time of day Some nepo baby who got by with unearned strength like Godrick would disgust him from the bottom of her doll heart.
It would make more sense for Adam to be humbled since he's basically level one at the beginning of Elden Ring.
Adam would literally not exist in a stupid “pro magic” game with the many gods and trash. That’s the kind of environment where God the father will tear apart in utter fury.
You clearly haven't seen the Jesus Christ build in Elden Ring.
>Greater Will
>Cross imagery
>Right to rule under God's will
Anon, Elden Ring clearly borrowed Christian Imagery along with some pagan shit.
Adam turns into a tarnished anon. Pretty sure that's a humbling experience.
I don't think it's clear Ranni has a type at all, other than hating the Golden Order. You have to go well out of your way to finish her questline, beyond she's willing to put up with a lot (Seluvis is still alive for one) as long as people can get results
Elden Ring is a world with the ideology that if you want to be Elden Lord, you have to fight and die for it many times over. Adam is a stubborn ass and would do anything to gain power to fight Lucifer again.
Hope Adam choses Ranni.
>STICK IT TO THE MAN
Shit, it's more likely than you'd think
I mean to be fair Charlie is the one creating the actual safe space for demons even if she has no fricking clue what she's doing and Adam isn't TRYING to redeem anyone, it's just that the writing inadvertently creates a situation where him swinging his powerlevel dick around is what ultimately redeemed Sir Pentious directly, and whatever Charlie may or may not have accomplished to help him along the way is more speculative and not explained at all.
>Adam relating to Godfrey over getting dicked around by Marika
>Adam isn't TRYING to redeem anyone,
That’s literally the only benefit of Charlie’s hotel, because Adam knew he needs to open the gates for a sinner to be redeemed first. But it doesn’t stop me from having no real hope or attachment to any of the sinners whatsoever, and just skip over to the Adam, Lute, and the redeemed sinner storyline. Because the cutest thing to happen is for Adam to come to the hotel and reveal himself to his children. Literally everything else is a bar-nothing in comparison to that, since Lilith, Lucifer, Charlie, and whatever sinner don’t have an ounce of Adam’s love for them, and he’s literally the only good father that badly wants them to be redeemed, with Lute being the only truly good mom for them.
So the motivation makes sense because of Adam and Lute. At the failure at us caring for the most sinners or all of the rulers of the sinners (who don’t deserve sympathy honestly).
>So the motivation of coming to Heaven makes sense because of Adam and Lute.
Anon I'm not saying I like the sinners but this schizo theory you have about Adam giving a shit about anyone in Hell is your own fanfiction
If Adam didn’t care about the sinners in Hell, he would ignore them. And Sir Pentious wouldn’t ever be redeemed.
If Adam decided to fricking ignore Charlie and her Hotel, Pentious would never die and would never be redeemed.
I don't think you understand that "homicidal contempt" and "benevolent compassion" are different but equally valid reasons to cruise around hell laughing your ass off as you headshot demons.
>And Sir Pentious wouldn't ever be redeemed
It's firmly established NOBODY in Heaven knows how redemption WORKS. That was not at all intentional, and any theory to the contrary relies on rejecting all information provided by the show because uwu Adam daddy
> It's firmly established NOBODY in Heaven knows how redemption WORKS. That was not at all intentional, and any theory to the contrary relies on rejecting all information provided by the show because uwu Adam daddy
Then why did Adam and Lute know?
Dude.
They didn't.
They were not trying to do nice things for the sinners.
They were trying to annihilate them.
How are you this media illiterate? ADAM was the one who said nobody knows.
Except Adam and Lute knew that Adam just die for sinners to be redeemed.
Is Adam a strength and magic build?
Strenght and faith, obviously
>golden lasers
>golden weapon
>but also hands for days
STR/Faith, maybe some INT too because true Golden Order power depends on both Faith and INT
Would Adam "Do it?"
No Way
Depends if he's sick and tired of all sinners and people being such utter shit that it's better to wipe the slate clean.
And upset Melina? You crazy?
The tragedy of the first man deciding that all of his descendants deserve nothing but annihilation fills me with dread.
What is the best Elden Ring ending?
Which ending would Adam go for?
Ranni. He's incredibly desperate for pussy.
Isn't it obvious?
He would go for frenzied flame when he loses hope for humanity, completely.
QRD on this?
The Golden Order has been broken, similar to Heaven's indecisiveness on what determines a sinner being able to redeem themselves. You have many options, destroy the golden order along with life, replace with something better or worse, or rage quit and frick off somewhere where there are no gods while living with blue Waifu.
Age of Order is basically the canon ending that makes the most amount of sense narrative wise.
Frick you, and frick the Golden Order. Ranni for the win!
Age of Order depends on how much benevolence you attribute to the Golden Order and the Greater Will at a fundamental level. To be fair, all things considered I'd say there's at least as much evidence for their benevolence as their malice.
Ranni's
The only bad thing I can say about it is that there wasn't enough of it. Viv seems to get the complexities and tribulations of what redemption and growing as a person means in practice and you can pick it up based on the actions of Angel Dust and Sir Pentious and comparing their EP1 to their EP8 selves. All of the musicals were fantastic, even the worst one is just a 7/10 for me. Overall a fantastic start to a show with hopefully many seasons to come.
>Viv seems to get the complexities and tribulations of what redemption and growing as a person means in practice and you can pick it up based on the actions of Angel Dust and Sir Pentious and comparing their EP1 to their EP8 selves.
Does she though? We dont know what AD or Sir Pentious even did to get placed in hell. We dont even know all of their flaws. They didnt go on any journeys of introspection or had character arcs beyond singing a song.
It doesn't matter what they did in the past. This is one of the core themes of Hazbin Hotel and the nature of redemption itself. That speech with Queen Cannibal and Charlie is enough for me to say that she does get *it*. Angel Dust's was his overt hypersexuality and drug addiction and Sir Pentious was his cowardice. Addiction and Poison account for so much of his problems that I don't personally need to see more.
>This is one of the core themes of Hazbin Hotel and the nature of redemption itself
It absolutely does matter. Charlie herself says that the path to redemption starts with a sorry. This means that you need to understand that you did something wrong and you need to feel bad for it.
>Angel Dust's was his overt hypersexuality and drug addiction and Sir Pentious was his cowardice
We dont even see AD get better in any way. He doesnt even view drugs and hypersexuality as an issue. And Pentious was willing to die in episode 2. Not to mention that he accepted a dangerous mission from the Vs with no regards to his personal safety. Plus the guy repeatedly attacked the hotel, defended by an Overlord, with no regard to his own safety. So cowardice is an incredible stretch.
>It absolutely does matter. Charlie herself says that the path to redemption starts with a sorry. This means that you need to understand that you did something wrong and you need to feel bad for it.
Completely agree. That's why Sir Pentious quite literally did do that. I don't remember a time where Angel Dust overtly apologizes to Charlie, but he DOES to Husk which would show how Charlie's teachings have affected AD in a positive way. "Sorry" doesn't have to start with a word.
>We dont even see AD get better in any way. He doesnt even view drugs and hypersexuality as an issue
Massively disagree. "I'm sick of the poison. Wish I had something to live for tomorrow". Then that conflict with Husk and Cherri Bomb trying to get him to light up again. These aren't things that people who don't view drugs as an issue do. Pent wasn't a coward in that regard, he was a coward because he couldn't express his true feelings until the very last episode when he told Cherri Bomb he loved her. I probably should've used a less harsh word since you are correct that he was ride-or-die besides that.
>Pent
Still don't know what he sees in Cherri.
She has moxie and a nice set of breasts. It's no wonder Angel Dust hangs with her. I don't have any pictures of her ironically enough, so have one of Nifty instead.
>Sir Pentious quite literally did do that
Pentious apologized for spying for the Vs. Not for whatever landed him in hell in the first place. Althought it is true that it is unclear whether the sorry was in general or just for the spying. I am inclined to think it is the latter since we still dont know what he did.
>Angel Dust overtly apologizes to Charlie
Its not about apologizing to Charlie. It is about understanding and feeling bad about the wrongs committed in life and beginning a journey to become a better person. We never see the former. As for the latter...
>I'm sick of the poison. Wish I had something to live for tomorrow
I interpreted this to be about Valentino, their contract and the fact that he is essentially raped every day. Not really about his lifestyle in general. Husk berating him about drugs came out of left field when we were never even told that he intended to stop or was making any progress towards that. We needed the show to establish that the drugs were a problem and that he recognizes that and is taking steps to get better. We dont really get anything like that.
> he was a coward because he couldn't express his true feelings until the very last episode when he told Cherri Bomb he loved her.
Being romantically shy isnt a sin. I dont really view that as cowardice in the sinning sense.
>Pentious apologized for spying for the Vs. Not for whatever landed him in hell in the first place. Althought it is true that it is unclear whether the sorry was in general or just for the spying. I am inclined to think it is the latter since we still dont know what he did.
I think this is where we have a disconnect. It's not that I wouldn't like to know how Sir Pentious got into hell in the first place. It's just that I don't see how it would affect the story of Hazbin Hotel itself beyond some background exposition. Like let's say Pent got into hell because he fed someone to a chicken coop or something. That really wouldn't affect how I feel about him or his character. He would still be that glorious bastard who got redeemed at last.
>Its not about apologizing to Charlie. It is about understanding and feeling bad about the wrongs committed in life and beginning a journey to become a better person. We never see the former
Yeah completely agree, my apologies for taking you literally. This circles back to my main critique of there "not being enough". But I still believe that not knowing their past sins isn't that much of a detriment to the overall story.
>I interpreted this to be about Valentino, their contract and the fact that he is essentially raped every day. Not really about his lifestyle in general
I felt like it was a double meaning. Both what your wrote and the actual addiction he has to Val's drug. The one that Vox also uses. With a little bit of love bombing considering those texts and voice messages.
>We needed the show to establish that the drugs were a problem and that he recognizes that and is taking steps to get better. We dont really get anything like that.
I don't think so, but I do agree with your main point. You wouldn't really be prepared for Angel Dust to talk about quitting if you weren't picking up on the fact that he found his "reason to live for tomorrow" in Husk. Running out of space here so cont.
>Being romantically shy isnt a sin. I dont really view that as cowardice in the sinning sense.
I don't either, but I actually think this is a clue to what his sin could be much like how Angel Dust's mobster outfit is a pretty big giveaway to what his past sins were. His spinelessness and deference to authority would make him a perfect accessory to murder for example. But again this segues back to my main problem of there not being enough Hazbin for my liking!. It's been a while since I've rambled like this so I thank you for your time.
Pretty sure Emily is flat chested.
They'll grow out a bit when I knock her up.
Was Sera and Pent watching?
They can if they want.
Not discussing it with Emily shameful.
Damn it you're right. I'll bank on S2 growing her breasts out a bit.
>His spinelessness and deference to authority would make him a perfect accessory to murder for example
I agree that the ingredients are all there. We just dont really get the actual redemption process which I think should be the meat of the story and what makes the redemption itself actually worthwhile.
Also, you are way too polite for Cinemaphile. You may want to get out while you still can.
Honestly I think you've put more thought into this in Vivzie. She just wanted to put in a funny snake man.
It's possible. But I think that's what all good art does. It's possible that Mona Lisa was just some drawing(not a big art guy so I could be showing my ass here) but we still talk about it centuries later.
>It's possible that Mona Lisa was just some drawing
I mean, it was. It was a commission that he took forever to finish and then never even gave it to them. It's a good thing they didn't have online reviews back then.
Huh, never knew that. Kind of a bummer actually.
>Like let's say Pent got into hell because he fed someone to a chicken coop or something. That really wouldn't affect how I feel about him or his character. He would still be that glorious bastard who got redeemed at last.
While I agree that the specific event that led the character to hell is unimportant. I dot think it is crucial for the redemption of a character that the character understands why whatever he did is wrong and takes steps to amend it. Plenty of awful people in history had good traits to them; Hitler liked animals apparently, but that doesnt detract from their overall awfulness. Similarly, if Pentious fed a dude to a chicken coup, that would make him a murderer and I do think it would alter how we see the character and the requisites for his redemption. Otherwise, all sinners are equally bad and redeemable through the same actions, which 1. I think is boring and 2. Doesnt seem right at all.
>I felt like it was a double meaning
I am willing to concede this point. I just would have liked more time with AD on this issue. I guess we may get more in season 2. But my issue with that is that I fear we will go the route of Pentious again where a character just needs to do something seemingly heroic and that just speedruns the redemption arc.
>While I agree that the specific event that led the character to hell is unimportant. I dot think it is crucial for the redemption of a character that the character understands why whatever he did is wrong and takes steps to amend it. Plenty of awful people in history had good traits to them; Hitler liked animals apparently, but that doesnt detract from their overall awfulness. Similarly, if Pentious fed a dude to a chicken coup, that would make him a murderer and I do think it would alter how we see the character and the requisites for his redemption. Otherwise, all sinners are equally bad and redeemable through the same actions, which 1. I think is boring and 2. Doesnt seem right at all.
I can see how that would be a problem. But this is where Viv has to stick the landing. I think it's possible that Viv never truly answers this question because of the horrible implications of there being an objective standard that someone has to rise to in order to feel "redeemed". Let's say that in order to be redeemed you needed to have two arms, it would be pretty
fricked up if you accidentally had your arm chopped off out of your control. That's the type of scenario I'm talking about here and if done well not having a clear answer shouldn't hurt the overall message of the story.
> We just dont really get the actual redemption process which I think should be the meat of the story and what makes the redemption itself actually worthwhile
It's not Cinemaphile. But there's a manga called "A Silent Voice" that might just be the thing you're looking for. It goes into so much depth about what it means to truly redeem yourself in another's eyes. And it's too late for that. I've been here for years. Ironically enough I feel more free here than most other social media websites so why not be polite? Especially to such good faith criticism?
>that pic
>TWO bad boys
Giwtm in the middle
you do not, valentino is a deplorable man
Doesn't matter I want him to get me high as frick and have sex with me
How do soul pacts work in Hazbin again? Is there actually anything stopping a demon as powerful as Charlie from just undoing Husk or Angel Dust's soul pacts, other than I guess Charlie being too sheltered to realise how powerful she is? What if she just asked Lucifer to do it?
I assume magic contracts cannot be broken by anyone other than the person who made the deal. Thats how it works in most media. Although, I also assume that killing the one who owns the soul would end the contract as well. So, Charlie or Lucifer could kill Val if they wanted to free Angel.
>I assume magic contracts cannot be broken by anyone other than the person who made the deal.
I want to question why that is, but Vivzie's own magic systems are so poorly defined that theoretically Stolas is supposed to be way more powerful than Alastor even though he looks like much more of a joke. So instead I'm just going to point out that it's weird Charlie, knowing how much suffering Angel is going through right now, doesn't just get Lucifer to give Val a noogie until he releases Angel's contract.
>knowing how much suffering Angel is going through right now, doesn't just get Lucifer to give Val a noogie until he releases Angel's contract.
It might look "undignified" for a member of the royal family to directly interfere with an overlord's buisness like that. But then again, its hell so I'm not sure why they would care about that.
>"undignified"
Lucifer spends all his time making ducks, Lilith is MIA and Charlie has the balls to open up a redemption hotel in the bowels of Hell. I don't think dignity is exactly a problem here.
To be fair, I dont think anyone knows about Lucifer's duck fetish
ADAM SONG COVERS!
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Does underwear exist in Hell and Heaven?
Vaggie is in a pencil skirt
Do you think she's got panties underneath or going commando?
Probably wear panties to look professional.
Cherri Bomb seems to be wearing a bra.
But who knows, maybe Heaven is a lot more "free" when it comes to this sort of thing.
>adhd pacing
>liked most of the songs
>massive improvement from the pilot
>no Tomar
honestly enjoyed it way more than I expected 6.9/10
Carmilla legs
Best overlord. Can't wait for her to put Alastor into his place as well.
Alastor getting humbled by any overlord would be fine by me.
Did she really need a whole song just to tell Vaggie she was going to help her?
maybe musicals aren't for you anon
Not really but Vivzie cannot help herself and it wasn't as jarring as the one from episode 3 so I can give it a pass.
>never really had a fetish for guys being super tall because I'm already short
>kinda getting that fetish now since apparently Alastor is like 7 feet tall
What pagan characters would fit in Charlie's hotel?
>THE ULTIMATE REDEMPTION MYTH
Wasn't his sins forgiven through his labors in the first place?
You could always spin the story saying that Heracles still didn't find any sort of peace, all he did was kill enemies.
Did vivzie ever gave an explanation about pagan gods existing or not?
Idk about anyone else but I'd really like to see Cain or somethin down the line
Thorfinn's story is THE Redemption story that is needed in Hazbin.
No, frick Thorfinn he's a weak b***h.
Pan is just Angel Dust with Valentino's respect of boundaries. It could work.