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True. He went against family. Jimmy never betrayed family.
He robbed his parents and took advantage of them all the time in his youth that's why he hated Jimmy
I think Chuck disproportionately blames Jimmy because of his own social issues and inferiority complex (a la Jimmy NTRing Chuck's girlfriend), and the truth is more likely that other people took advantage of their father's kindness like we see in the wolves and sheep scene. Jimmy probably did steal some money now and then, but Chuck's idea that Jimmy was some sort of sociopath "robbing them blind" is exaggerated and should be taken with a grain of salt.
This. I can understand why Chuck feels a lot of resentment toward Jimmy.
He did indeed deserve it though -- he was way out of line with the Mesa Verde situation to begin with and he allowed it to go as far as he did. He wanted to get on the stand and shit on Jimmy despite knowing what Jimmy is capable of. After the tape recorder trick, the battery trick Jimmy used was fair game, and Chuck lost.
Yeah but Jimmy literally did a felony so the tape trick was justified to begin with
Yes, you are right, what I mean justified in the Chuck-Jimmy dynamic, rather than in the legal system. If Chuck had not taped Jimmy under such cruel pretenses, I would think tricking Chuck with the battery would be way too far.
he robbed his dad because his dad was a dumbass who let himself get robbed anyway. Besides, Chuck's blaming Jimmy solely on the assumption that his stealing caused the business to go under, when it fact it was McGill Senior's own moronation that doomed it.
There is no defending stealing from your own family. Their dad being too nice and foolish, naive will never justify Jimmy being a complete prick.
there's no defending moronation either. That money he stole is going to be stolen anyway, so it might as well be in his pocket instead of some random grifter. It's not like Jimmy didn't try to help his dad either.
Jimmy cut corners because he was poor. If Chuck let him be a partner at HHM, he might have changed for good.
Nah, season 1 jimmy who did probono cases was the ideal state for him. He was far away from Kim. Then sandpaper happened and Kim got involved. The point when everything went downhill.
His old fat buddy dying was just a catalyst.
exactly. Jimmy could be a hardworking man. He just needed the right motivation. The realization that no matter how much he changed, in the eyes of some people he would always be slipping jimmy, broke him and created the catalyst for his transition into Saul.
>everything right
except he was an insecure little shit who kept his brother down and justified it with some bullshit like "chimp with a machine gun", when in fact he was just jealous. The whole point of the dinner scene with Rebecca was to show that deep down Chuck always resented Jimmy, lawyer or not.
I was referring to Chuck also being poor but doing everything right. He worked hard, studied hard to get into college, worked and studied harder to become a great lawyer, worked to start up his own firm.
Both the McGill brothers are deeply flawed people, which is what made the first half of BCS so captivating and good. Their dynamic was intriguing and tragic. Chuck's resentment is precisely because he was the good son, the man who worked from humble beginnings to the heights he reached. The man who is the embodiment of the American dream, pulling himself up by the bootstraps and working hard to do well. Yet despite doing everything right, Jimmy was still beloved and popular, everyone thinks he's a great guy but Chuck knows him too well. Years and years of Slippin' Jimmy killed off an important part to their relationship, Chuck could never truly forgive and look past it. Jimmy meanwhile could never truly stop.
This isn't an unreasonable exploration of the character themes, however I just want to have sweaty unwashed raw no holds barred sexual relations with Kim for a week straight in a shitty hotel room with doors we never unlock, going at it again and again in every way the mind can conceive and even ways that the mind cannot conceive, radically transforming ourselves into base lust fueled sex creastures who come out the other side 7 days later as radically different beings.
Yeah, but Chuck was a child prodigy. He could do things Jimmy never could. He was the 1% of Americans who could pull themselves by the bootstrap. Jimmy couldn't, so he cut corners and played to his strength.
They're both flawed, but I truly believe Jimmy could change. He put himself through (an admittedly sketchy) law school while having a day job just to make Kim and Chuck proud. He could do the right things with positive reinforcement from the people he loved. Chuck could have given him that, but he chose to be a petty butthole instead. After the scene with the mom and Rebecca, I believe that Chuck would keep Jimmy down even if he was completely clean. His resentment of jimmy simply went deeper than his criminal past. Chuck just hated the idea of someone being loved for who they are instead of what they accomplished. He just hated how Jimmy was born with something he could never have. The criminal past just gave him an easy excuse to justify what he did to Jimmy.
Its been a good few years but Chuck was fine with him being a lawyer and encouraged it. He just did not want him at HMM. Pettiness being the main reason of course. Jimmy needed to go his own way and prove Chuck wrong.
His rant about jimmy being a chimp with a machine gun contradicted that. Jimmy being hired by Cliff Mains is just outside his control.
I don't know why this is so hard to get. Like a lot of times we have the smart sibling who does everything by the book and then we have the not so smart one who keeps getting in trouble. Yet the one who gets into trouble still ends up being more popular, people like him more, they overlook his mistakes etc.
It happens a lot in real life.
Chuck didn't cut corners and did everything right.
>That money he stole is going to be stolen anyway
Try that argument in court, see how well that holds up.
If Jimmy was in court and explained his father was a silly cuck and the family money was better off ending up illicitly in the pocket of a family member (himself) than in the pockets of strangers, and the jury I was on were agreeing to find him guilty of theft, I would enact what's known as JURY NULLIFICATION
>But your honor, some criminal robbed our store when I was a kid and told me about wolves and sheep and handed me some of the money.
>Mr. McGill, are you telling me that you were duped so easily with just a few words... like a sheep?
>Yes
>topic is whether it was morally justified for jimmy to steal
>moron starts bringing legality to it
midwits, I greet thee
This. God, I'm thankful that there is still some Western morality on this board.
Chuck knew that Jimmy staying a janitor would be better than being a lawyer.
And he was right.
Lmao are you braindamaged
He fricking killed his brother because of Kim
And later on she did not even give a frick about mese verde
>He fricking killed his brother because of Kim
Jimmy didn't kill Chuck he killed himself. Also, even if Jimmy had killed Chuck with HIS OWN HANDS, you'd have to be a homosexual not to do so if Kim asked you to and offered you access to her pussy and her feet and her armpits and her kisses in exchange.
Jimmy knew that Chuck would kill himself that’s why he did not give a frick after he heard about his dead.
>its a Kim gay who would sell his soul for a mentally ill women
Yikes
Jimmy did give a frick and had to cope hard by shutting down emotionally and laying blame on Howard. He was also still hurt by Chuck saying he felt nothing for Jimmy.
Yes I would sell my soul to be Kim's good tonguebath servant boy who licks her lewd dirty body every day.
>chuck said he felt nothing for him
Yeah that’s why he accidentally kills himself a day later. Chuck lied to him to look cool, which was the start point of his suicide.
CHICANERY
HE DEFECATED
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 1216. One after Magna Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That billboard! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him!
>Now Vocaroo it
YOU LOOK AT ME AND YOU SEE SLIPPIN' JIMMY
he faked his own death by using a fake body and is now running de cartel now as boss consogme
Steve Jobs.
>He deserved it.
Yes god I hated him. I am an older brother myself and I have kinda a similar relationship in that my younger brother is the troublemaker who can seemingly get away with everything and takes advantage of our parents
But I would never betray him.
I’m not a speed watcher! I know nothing happened in this episode. I knew it was just boring filler. One episode after Rock and Hard Place. As if I could ever pay attention. Never. Never! I just - I just couldnt watch it. Vince covered his tracks, he got that women with the pony tail to direct for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This travesty ? They’ve done worse. Season 4! Are you telling me that people actually enjoyed the Germany Arc? No! Nothing happened in it! Nothing! I *still*don’t know what a Sandpiper is! And I watched it! And I shouldn't have. I actually called it kino. What was I thinking? It’ll never change. It’ll never change! Ever since season 1, *always* the same! Couldn't keep the plot moving forward! But not our Vince! Couldn't be precious *Vince*! Boring them blind! And this show gets to have a general?! What a sick joke! I should've stopped watching when I had the chance! And you you have to stop watching, yo-
My favorite rendition of this
>NOOOOOOOOOO CHUCK YOU HAVE TO LET A LITERAL CRIMINAL WORK FOR YOUR COMPANY
>WHY?? BECAUSE WELL…. HES THE PROTAGONIST OF THE SHOW OKAY????
>non-violent ex-con is criminal
Tired of the whole “oooooh Jimmy would have been a perfectly good moral lawyer if Chuck had just given him a shot at HHM”
Blatantly false. We don’t have to guess about this. We saw Jimmy at Davis and Main. He couldn’t even go a minute without flicking the off-limits light switch in his office. Airing a commercial without permission. Soliciting clients. Blew it all up to keep his bonus when he got fired.
Chuck was just doing what was best for the firm. Jimmy working at HHM would have been disastrous.
jimmy kinda got buck broken by Chuck at that point. He might have been different if Chuck let him into HMM from the start. He was fine being an impoverish public defender for years, after all.
Dude Chuck knew that Jimmy would slip away if he gets an unnatural career boost. That’s why doing probono cases and having a slow start was good for jimmy.
Sandpaper ruined Jimmy because he smelled blood and fast success.
Yes. He's a typical incel who thinks he's above everyone because he is le smart, gets friendzoned and develops a mental illness so he doesnt have to take responsibility for his actions. In reality people like him are neets who never get married and are afraid of science so Vince softened it down a little but it's all there.