I couldn't enjoy this movie. Miles doesn't feel like a person/character anymore, but more so just a concept.
They balanced it better in the first movie, Miles' individuality, but his self in the sequel felt nonexistent.
Why are you here? You don't enjoy the movie, probably haven't even seen it bc you didn't like the 1st movie, yet you feel it's necessary to engage these threads? Why the frick would you even pay the see the 2nd movie if you didn't like the 1st? You don't like Miles. Why are you here?
>No kidding, I haven't seen a pairing so artificial since... I don't even know, actually. Zero chemistry.
They had tons of chemistry in the first movie but almost none in ATSV, because that's not what it was about. It's odd Across was being pushed as the "Miles-Gwen romance" movie when their relationship was tense and strenuous up until the very end. At this point I can't tell whether they'll end up together or not.
We did see how obsessed they are with each other, and we got to see them swing around and talk in the beginning. There's also the jealousy thing that was going between them. I guess this movie could've been a test for their relationship, but it wasn't the main focus. The Spider Society was the main focus.
It was cute to see wear his jacket.
>At the same time, I think she was a crappy girlfriend
They were never dating. But, yeah, what she did was bad. It's kind of hilarious how horny and desperate she seems for Miles at the beginning of the movie and then she's just like "Well, I guess that's it. The death cult says I can never see him again." >Oh, and then I'm gonna make you watch your dad die
In her defense, Gwen wasn't too keen on dads at the time. I think she completely disconnected emotionally after her father tried to shoot/arrest her. We don't get the "real" Gwen back until she's forced back to her universe and they reconcile.
>It's kind of hilarious how horny and desperate she seems for Miles at the beginning of the movie and then she's just like "Well, I guess that's it. The death cult says I can never see him again."
Idk if the death cult will let it slide if she tries to see him again.
>Idk if the death cult will let it slide if she tries to see him again.
Well, its a good thing she doesn't have to deal with them anymore. >We did see how obsessed they are with each other, and we got to see them swing around and talk in the beginning. >There's also the jealousy thing that was going between them.
Yeah. I love their dynamic. They're both obviously extremely attracted to one another but its possibly not obvious to each other, or themselves. I think the need to properly reconcile in BTSV before anything can truly happen though.
>They're both obviously extremely attracted to one another but its possibly not obvious to each other, or themselves.
Neither of them want to admit it,. Probably out of fear of rejection and not wanting to ruin their friendship. They'll get there eventually.
>I think the need to properly reconcile in BTSV before anything can truly happen though.
Definitely. Miles might just reject Gwen and her team at first because of a lack of trust, but he's gonna be a little desperate because he has no way home. This is assuming that Gwen's team gets to him first. BTSV is going to give some focus on Gwen and Miles repairing their relationship and Miles' relationship with some of the other Spider-Men.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This is assuming that Gwen's team gets to him first.
It's assuming a lot. We really have no idea how BTSV is gonna play out. Between Earth-42, reconciliation, the Spider-Council, and The Spot, there's a lot of ground to cover in the sequel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There really is a lot that could and would happen in the BTSV. I'm sure the Spider-Council will fight Spot, but will Spot be killed, imprisoned, redeemed? Is Miles going to sympathize with him? There's also Earth-42 Miles and Aaron. is Miles-42 a villain, hero, or an anti hero in his world? I have more questions, but I can't be fricked to write them all. In your opinion, would a reconciliation between Miles and Gwen's team be better before or during the big fight?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm sure the Spider-Council will fight Spot
I mean, he's kind of not their problem? It depends on which direction they go with the multiverse/canon stuff. >Is Miles-42 a villain, hero, or an anti hero in his world?
Exactly. >In your opinion, would a reconciliation between Miles and Gwen's team be better before or during the big fight?
I guess I'd say "before," but not immediately before. Like, in the middle of the movie. The reconciliation shouldn't be super quick but it also shouldn't be something like "they reconcile, and then one of them immediately tries to sacrifice themselves".
What a moronic non-excuse, so if BTSV was a movie about Spider-Boy it'd be fine to have Miles give Bailey the "you gotta let them die" speech while Bailey is the only one who wants to save everyone from the canon events and has to fight Spot and date Gwen, even though we just saw Miles doing the opposite in this movie. Because it'd be Bailey's movie right.
seethe more about it boyo maybe itll all magically be about peter
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a mindbroken bendisbuck
Of course it is lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
im not making threads about hating a cartoon movie everyday so i dont think im the broken one here
11 months ago
Anonymous
Neither am I
11 months ago
Anonymous
It’s all about peter actually, they treat those who died under his watch as so significant that ALL spider people need to have people die. It’s a weird way of establishing miles, not ONLY does peter have to die like a b***h, but he has to show that EVERY peter in the multiverse is a worse person than miles
I wish they went to AO3 with the moronic fanfiction in this movie and other Miles stories
11 months ago
Anonymous
Is not that you lack Peter media or that you wish this movie was about Peter, is that you reset that someone may enjoy a movie about Miles and want no one to be able to have it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I just want Miles to not cannibalize Peter, if they can make him work on his own more power to him, but as long as he's just doing whatever Pete would've done while Pete isn't allowed to so Miles can appear unique, he's worthless in my eyes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You have no shortage of Peter media now or incoming, don't be a baby.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's not a reason to make a copycat character propped up entirely by skin color, if these movies or other Miles media were about Punk or Miguel or any other spider you could easily say they're not stepping on Peter's territories because they can handle stories Peter isn't thematically suited for, but with Miles it's literally always "the story Spider-Man would've usually had.. but he's black in this one". I don't know how people don't find it demeaning.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No anon, you would still b***h about it. Let people enjoy their stupid Spider people movie and move on. The movie did well enough that it already has a future so think about this: all that awaits for you is a future decade of seething, do you want that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, that'd be pretty cool to see, instead of "Peter.. but black" AGAIN
11 months ago
Anonymous
>but as long as he's just doing whatever Pete would've done while Pete isn't allowed to
What are you even trying to say here?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Miles is now the only Spider-Man in the multiverse who rejects the trolley problem and every other Spider-Man has to learn from him
11 months ago
Anonymous
>conveniently ignoring that none of those problems are remotely on the level as this except web of shadows and even then they still knew they had wiggle room to mess with stuff without existence falling apart. >Also ignoring the dialogue that implies they have tried to do both before and save worlds from collapsing and it didn't always work out
I think anyone in their position especially after all the traumas they've all been through by that point wouldn't want to risk that shit anymore. Idealism can only get you so far.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If Miles had been through the same circumstances as the Spider people and saw entire world's dying because of this shit like spider society has? Yes. Absolutely. Because it's a pretty realistic response to trillions of lives being deleted right before your eyes on multiple occasions. I wouldn't agree morally but I'd understand what led him there. Especially in an echo chamber of spider-person suffering and making it feel all the tragedies in his life were very much the will of the universe he had no control over.
Spider-Man doesn't become a cynic after his traumas, what is this moronic writing
>If Miles had been through the same circumstances as the Spider people and saw entire world's dying because of this shit like spider society has
He literally saw the same thing they did, Miguel's presentation, only Miguel and Peter were there when the original universe collapse happened, everyone else got the same rundown as Miles did
11 months ago
Anonymous
Peter literally gave up being Spider-Man once just because it was too hard. And has had his fair share of low points where he's nearly completely given up. Faced with the massive and actual vey real and cruel hand of fate and the way of the universe and seeing that yeah you and all these spider-people and all the tragedies in your life is something destined to all of you and having to accept that isn't exactly far-fetched especially since as far as they all know there really is nothing they can do about it. It's not even cynicism on their part, it's just trying to make the best out of a truly awful situation. They're still saving as many people as they can, they still want to keep the worlds alive, and they don't just beat Miles up and tell him to suck it up. They understand and empathize with how he's feeling. It's just their reality isn't going to allow things to go the way they actually want them to where they can save everyone. They've tried it and it doesn't work. >everyone else got the same rundown as Miles did
Except most of them have gone through the tragic shit in their life and a lot of it while Miles only dealt with Peter A and Aaron's death while they've gone through much, much, much more and they've also seen and experienced the consequences of breaking canon events on the job going by Miguel's lines about their procedures to stop worlds from being deleted hasn't worked. A presentation is one thing, actually living through it is another. Miles is still just a kid and hasn't accepted the sacrifice part of being Spider-Man but he's not even immune to what they've shown and must know on some level it's the truth judging by how Peter B's words actually get through to him for a bit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It is incredibly far-fetched.
11 months ago
Anonymous
More words words words doesn't make you more right, it's out of character for Peter based on 60 years of content, and every death Spider-Man fails to prevent hardens his resolve to save everyone, you're implying Spider-Men have an expiry date and get worse at their purpose the longer they're at it
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know man. Forget being Peter, if I saw that any time I saved someone I wasn't supposed to and it kept killing entire dimension I don't think I'd keep actively doing the thing I know is actually killing even more innocent people. Honestly a guy doing something like that over and over again with full knowledge of the consequences of his actions and kept getting tons of innocent lives killed because he wanted to keep stubbornly, selfishly clinging to his ideals instead of accepting the reality of a situation he cannot change stops being admirable and ends up just looking like a stubborn, borderline sociopathic prick at best and that's being extremely charitable.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You could try looking into why the universe is breaking and fix that
11 months ago
Anonymous
As far as they know, nothing really contradicts the canon event theory other than sometimes some dimensions get lucky and others don't. They did develop technology to try and stop dimensions from being deleted outright when canon events get broken so they're still trying but it's not perfect enough for them to risk everything on it.
>so if BTSV was a movie about Spider-Boy it'd be fine to have Miles give Bailey the "you gotta let them die" speech while Bailey
Yes, if it were about Bailey.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What moronic concessions you're prepared to make for arbitrary rules like "everything and everyone has to bow down to the protagonist".
NWH had the previous Spider-Men work together with the new one and even teach him things, Andrew saved MJ and Tobey stopped Tom from killing Norman, *he* was the flawed one that needed lessons on being Spider-Man despite being the protagonist, it can be done as long as you're writing in good faith, which this movie series didn't do.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's funny that even that shitty movie got the Spider-Mans right.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I’d honestly go so far as to say that no way home did the multiverse better than both into and across, no way home brings in both multiversal spideys and multiversal villains while across and into are only limited to spideys, there’s also more meaningful interactions between mcu peter and the other peters than spiderverse, at least into the spiderverse. Every spidey beside peter b and miles could’ve been gotten rid of. Into the spiderverse feels like a movie that could’ve just been an old cynical peter parker being a mentor to a newly bitten miles morales without any of the multiverse shenanigans. Unlike into, accross needs the multiverse to work as a plot, yet it’s the weaker of the two with how dumb the death cult plot point is and how it ruins an entire multiverse of spideys while also nullifying uncle ben’s death by making it a constant that cannot be stopped instead of something that peter could have easily stopped. I think both into and across would be better films if they were just animated miles movie with no multiverse shenanigans. The best parts of across were arguably the spot and miles’ universe anyways.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Across tricks you very cleverly by giving you all these Spider-Man who in the end tell you that they are the same. It almost feels nihilistic to be told to your face that the important events of your life happen to an infinite amount of variables.
Unlike good stories, they're far from causes and consequences, Across is selling you merchandise from a famous brand,
11 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw the first movie was going to be about regular Spiderman until corpos smelled the ESG money and jumped for the black guy that had only existed for a few years
it would've been perfect, and also not gotten a sequel as no normies would've hyped it up because the protag would be white.
If Miles had been through the same circumstances as the Spider people and saw entire world's dying because of this shit like spider society has? Yes. Absolutely. Because it's a pretty realistic response to trillions of lives being deleted right before your eyes on multiple occasions. I wouldn't agree morally but I'd understand what led him there. Especially in an echo chamber of spider-person suffering and making it feel all the tragedies in his life were very much the will of the universe he had no control over.
Even in the sequel, which I enjoyed, Miles is only defined by other spider people. If it wasn’t for the existence of Miguel, Gwen, Hobie, ect, he’d still be an absolutely nothing character. If you had Miguel or Peter B in isolation without the spider universe they still work, but miles just can’t. He’s never defined himself as an individual - when you remove the spider people he just fails to be a person, or a character. The only time people liked miles is when there’s massive amounts of meta writing desperately astroturfing him
>The only friends you made live on other Universes >Your roomate barely talks to you >You imagine that of you could only be with them in their Spider club you'll be happy >They all hate you and want your dad to die
>they all hate you
Did you read about the movie? They were all torn up as Miles learned about what's happening, mug even teared up a little at >You think i'm gonna let my dad die?!
Where are you secondaries come from?
The last time he saw them they were siding with Miguel, not with him. When Miles tell his (non)Mom that it was like she told him and the people he wanted to be with didn't like him you can tell he feels dejected about it.
Not being with Gwen is literally good for him as a character, you should be rooting for the two of them to stay professional colleagues. Gwen is sadly beyond redemption.
This. I'd like to see them reconcile but her being willing to allow his father to die was just too much for him to get over anytime soon and they just stay friends at best.
Gwen had come to terms with allowing her own father's death along with the rest of Spider society's canon events. It's through Miles' actions that forces her to reconsider her own acquiescence to tragic events - and to likely rescue Miles, where they will reconnect, so that Miles can save his father and the multiverse from The Spot.
She's a teenager going along with what a bunch of adults she admires tell her is the best course of action, no shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They're all moronic and beyond redemption, Miles did the logical and rational thing all of them should've done
Imagine your friends physically dogpiling you to watch your dad die based on some moronic misconception, there's really no going back to being buddy-buddy with them after that, if you have a problem with such a scenario take it up with the writers
11 months ago
Anonymous
Did you forget the scene where the giant frickoff wormhole appeared in Pavitr’s dimension? The spider society has a point
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wasn’t that caused by spot?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, Spot caused that with his mini-collider. That has nothing to do with "canon". Miguel is full of shit and doesn't even know it yet.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Miguel is probably missing a things here and there but hasn't realized it yet.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Miguel is probably missing a things here and there but hasn't realized it yet.
I actually think Miguel killed his variant in order take his place. Probably did a lot of other things too b4 it was all ripped away from him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I doubt that Miguel would do something like that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Miguel is not a bad guy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Spot caused that
No he didn't. If he did, Miles dimension would've caved while Glen was wasting time with Miles and he restocked on dark matter at his apartment.
If you had watched the movie, you would've noticed that after Singh was saved, the crew noticed the collapse because the city was glitching out of existence. Which Spot can't do, even when he's at his strongest and has just killed a mob of Spiders (in the vision he shared with Miles in Mumbattan).
Lying homosexual.
Gwen will be redeemed when she sides with Miles. That's literally what the final act is building towards for the next movie. There's still time for that as long as her actions do not lead to the death of Miles' father. She's already working against Miguel and broke with major protocols just to see Miles again. Their relationship, Miles and Gwen, is fk'd right now to give it more substance, up the stakes, to make it more compelling, and fulfilling when they finally happen. I'm rooting for them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You sound like you lack empathy, that could be a symptom of autism
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why must you make things personal? It's empathy that makes Gwen realize what's she doing is wrong when she finally understands what Miguel is causing when she sees the pain in Miles. It's what makes her change. Ppl can be redeemed- especially given the work Gwen is about to put in towards defeating Miguel. Ppl are redeemable. Your heart just has to be open enough to let it happen.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The fact that it wasn't immediately obvious to you how the things Peter, Gwen, Peni and the others did to Miles aren't redeemable and that Miles should naturally want nothing to do with them ever again, means that there's no point in explaining it to you since you wouldn't get it anyway.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hope you enjoy the final movie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Peni and the others
Tbf none of the others were there besides Peni and if they were, they actively chose not to try to catch Miles nor try to talk him into letting his father die. Peter and Gwen ae the only one's on thin ice and more so Gwen because Peter honestly just wanted to talk to Miles and have a dialogue about it while Gwen actively assisted in trying to capture Miles.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No. If you do one bad thing you're irredeemable forever. That's the world we live in.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Black and White morality is a sign of BPD
11 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn't mean what she did isn't beyond redemption or forgiveness
They're all moronic and beyond redemption, Miles did the logical and rational thing all of them should've done
Imagine your friends physically dogpiling you to watch your dad die based on some moronic misconception, there's really no going back to being buddy-buddy with them after that, if you have a problem with such a scenario take it up with the writers
>Spot is gonna crease his jays (and kill his dad too I guess) >Miguel hates him because he's black >had to dump his transgender snowbunny >is about to be rizzed up hard by Prowler Miles (with alt Aaron working the camera)
Honestly Miles must be fricking devastated. He's completely neglected his social life between Spider-Man activities and working his ass off at school to get to Princeton just for the slightest chance of seeing his friend again and then when he's feeling the loneliest he's ever felt, here comes Gwen with this device that lets her come see him any time and there's a whole society a group of people just like him for him to belong to but then that elation is shredded to bits throughout the movie with him learning Gwen had been part of this group for months and never came to see him, her snapping at him when he tries to basically advertise himself to join the team, him over hearing her saying she'll never come see him again, then he gets Miguel shitting all over him at first, the news his father is fated to die and he's basically supposed to just let it happen and everyone including Peter and Gwen knew, then he gets his shit pushed in by Miguel physically and mentally with the revelation of him being an anomaly who was never meant to be a spider-man, that his peter's death was his fault, the mess with spot happening now and his dad's life being in jeopardy is because of him, then told he doesn't belong in this group he was so desperate to be a part of, learns that Peter and Gwen knew the whole truth the whole damn time and we never going to tell him any of this shit, THEN he fricks up his big-brain plan and goes to the wrong universe and is such a fricked mental state by this point he's fricking hallucinating while swinging, gets hit by a bus, manages to get home and work up the courage to tell his mom the truth only for it to not matter, he reunites sort of with his uncle but it's a short lived joy as he's betrayed yet again minutes later after seeing the hellhole this dimension's become since he got bit which only adds to his guilt, learns his dad fricking died in this dimension, then he gets caught by his evil self and is literally alone in a dimension. J U S T.
I appreciate your effort to encapsulate Miles' suffering that expands across the multiverse where all the Spider folk are against him, he's betrayed by his lover & mentor, is blamed forr killing Spider-man, accidentally falls into the one universe where he inadvertently benefits from its deterioration forced to see murals of his dead father, his mother hooking up with his uncle, & now having to defeat himself who lost everything in the process for him to become Spider-man ... in a single post.
You know what the worst part of this all is, you just know when miles sees gwen and the rest of the rescue team, he’s just gonna forgive them, there’s not gonna be a scene where miles tells them to frick off and he’s definitely gonna show any hostility towards them. I want these frickers to have some sort of just desserts for this shit but they won’t.
>He's completely neglected his social life
We get nothing of that. Just him moping how every other spider man is off doing multiversal shit. Does miles even have a supporting cast outside his parents in this?
I want this but at the same time I also want Miguel to be the one who can't help his heroic instincts and tries to Miles' dad. Whether he succeeds or not is irrelevant. I just want to see him attempt.
>Real anti-heroes that portray some kind of ugly truth need to make a comeback
I don't want Miguel to be "the hero in the end" but this is kind of how I saw him in the movie, and its concerning other people didn't. I hope BTSV "redeems" him a bit since people came away from ATSV thinking he was completely irrational instead of complex and traumatized.
I feel bad for Gwen and understand she was a lonely and confused teenager with nowhere to go.
At the same time, I think she was a crappy girlfriend. Miles should generally reconcile with her after she helps set things right but keep emotional and social distance forever after that.
>Bae, I missed you SO MUCH I joined a fatalistic superhero death cult >I used their technology so you could fawn and simp over me all day >And once I get my fill of attention I'm headed back to this British guy's house (DO NOT worry about him, HE'S JUST A FRIEND) >Oh, and then I'm gonna make you watch your dad die >After calling both your parents by their first names like I'm their buddy >Can we swing webs again and cuddle after the funeral?
>At the same time, I think she was a crappy girlfriend
They were never dating. But, yeah, what she did was bad. It's kind of hilarious how horny and desperate she seems for Miles at the beginning of the movie and then she's just like "Well, I guess that's it. The death cult says I can never see him again." >Oh, and then I'm gonna make you watch your dad die
In her defense, Gwen wasn't too keen on dads at the time. I think she completely disconnected emotionally after her father tried to shoot/arrest her. We don't get the "real" Gwen back until she's forced back to her universe and they reconcile.
That actually makes Miguel's point make sense. I am sure the Spider-Men in all other universes didn't have the '''main''' Spider-Man die for them to take up the mantle. They just always were the original Spider-Man.
Miguel isn't even the main Spider-Man of his universe. It would be nice if Miles and Miguel could talk about having to take up the mantle of Spider-Man. Miles could actually learn something from him.
That actually makes Miguel's point make sense. I am sure the Spider-Men in all other universes didn't have the '''main''' Spider-Man die for them to take up the mantle. They just always were the original Spider-Man.
Miguel was right.
Why did the spider bite Miles if his universe wasn’t supposed to have two Spider-Men?
Dude, the catalyst for all of these events is The Spot. He's the scientist that takes gd spider from Earth 42 to begin with that leads to Miles becoming the 2nd Spider-man. Plus, the King Pins collider has made the multiverse aware of itself which has its own branches & sets of consequences that aren't all canon events meaning these universes can interact w/o destroying each other.
That actually makes Miguel's point make sense. I am sure the Spider-Men in all other universes didn't have the '''main''' Spider-Man die for them to take up the mantle. They just always were the original Spider-Man.
Miguel was right.
Miles becomes an original in the process being the only Spider-man born from an alternate universe spider. Don't pretend that the multiverse isn't constantly exploited by heroes and villains that discover its existence.
The Spot's a villiain primarily because of his misplaced aggression and blame for his own tampering with the multiverse wanting revenge and/or acknowledgement. Typical villain, mad scientist shit threatening the entire multiverse for his own failures in character and actions. Honestly, it's one of the major negative outcomes of prioritizing STEM educations; this lack of ethics, moral clarity, and following moral imperatives.
>Please stop posting threads with his ugly jungle spear chucking chimperino porch monkey face in the op.
Fricking hilarious post I'm surprised the mods deleted it instead of letting it sit for everyone to laugh at
I wanna see a scene where the spidey society kidnaps gwen’s dad to kill him and miles is the only one who can save him but instead he just says “go ahead, do it for the canon” and walks away, with gwen sobbing her eyes out watching her dad die.
What, I wanna see that, she wants canon to happen so bad, let canon happen to her dad just after they’ve reconciled, it’s what she deserves
11 months ago
Anonymous
It reminds me of Chris Stuckmann's revised BvS and this dumbass tweet. Just incredibly edgy and tryhard. >"Go ahead, do it for the canon" >"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck" >"Peacemaker, what a joke"
Thank you for your contribution.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it’s pretty edgy, I just don’t wanna see gwen get away scottfree after what she did in this film
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's fair, that was just funny as hell to say. I can imagine the cheap amateur fan voice acting. Some kid thinking he's being incredibly badass like "Go ahead, do it for the canon." Like when Suburban white kids say "she's for the streets".
11 months ago
Anonymous
True, the line does give off that fanmade vibe, but honestly, considering this is a films series where an entire multiverse of spideys are letting people die as sacrifical lambs “for the greater good”, it doesn’t completely sound implausible
11 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly, going by the series’ similarities with the lego movie series, I can see miles letting someone die and a scene like this happening between him and gwen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buCvJzezSjY
At this point, he's had a decent amount of suffering. Read
Honestly Miles must be fricking devastated. He's completely neglected his social life between Spider-Man activities and working his ass off at school to get to Princeton just for the slightest chance of seeing his friend again and then when he's feeling the loneliest he's ever felt, here comes Gwen with this device that lets her come see him any time and there's a whole society a group of people just like him for him to belong to but then that elation is shredded to bits throughout the movie with him learning Gwen had been part of this group for months and never came to see him, her snapping at him when he tries to basically advertise himself to join the team, him over hearing her saying she'll never come see him again, then he gets Miguel shitting all over him at first, the news his father is fated to die and he's basically supposed to just let it happen and everyone including Peter and Gwen knew, then he gets his shit pushed in by Miguel physically and mentally with the revelation of him being an anomaly who was never meant to be a spider-man, that his peter's death was his fault, the mess with spot happening now and his dad's life being in jeopardy is because of him, then told he doesn't belong in this group he was so desperate to be a part of, learns that Peter and Gwen knew the whole truth the whole damn time and we never going to tell him any of this shit, THEN he fricks up his big-brain plan and goes to the wrong universe and is such a fricked mental state by this point he's fricking hallucinating while swinging, gets hit by a bus, manages to get home and work up the courage to tell his mom the truth only for it to not matter, he reunites sort of with his uncle but it's a short lived joy as he's betrayed yet again minutes later after seeing the hellhole this dimension's become since he got bit which only adds to his guilt, learns his dad fricking died in this dimension, then he gets caught by his evil self and is literally alone in a dimension. J U S T.
There black heroes on screen over 2 decades ago and there's going to be black heroes on screen in the future. You're just going to ignore them or keep seething about them.
I will fricking seeth... And I will seeth. And seeth. And seeth.
Stupid race of humans. I don't want people to continue giving them sympathy, I want people to see them for what they are. Dumbass tribal people. Frick them.
I wish I could take a hammer and beat your fricking... Something, something? I don't know? Your mother? Your children? Father? Sister? Brother?
I don't care, I would kill them or something idk lolz
11 months ago
Anonymous
I wish I could take a hammer and beat your fricking... Something, something? I don't know? Your mother? Your children? Father? Sister? Brother?
I don't care, I would kill them or something idk lolz
I feel a little bad saying this. I don't know. Frick you for saying shit about my mother though
11 months ago
Anonymous
This guy
I wish I could take a hammer and beat your fricking... Something, something? I don't know? Your mother? Your children? Father? Sister? Brother?
I don't care, I would kill them or something idk lolz
isn't me. Sorry for disrespecting your mother, anon
Your obsession w/black ppl only gives them an inordinate amount of control over your life even when that obsession is negative. Hatred will do you no favors in this life or the next. It will end you in one way or another.
He accepted it way too easily and easily accepted the fact Spider-Miles' dad might be alive instead of questioning him on who he was, why he looks like him, etc.
Alternate universes should be a HUGE leap of logic for most people, even superheroes/villains.
My guess is that enough weird shit has happened in the Earth-42 for Prowler Miles to not think that an alternate version of himself exist. Miles also might've glitched out while he unconscious.
>I'm sure the Spider-Council will fight Spot
I mean, he's kind of not their problem? It depends on which direction they go with the multiverse/canon stuff. >Is Miles-42 a villain, hero, or an anti hero in his world?
Exactly. >In your opinion, would a reconciliation between Miles and Gwen's team be better before or during the big fight?
I guess I'd say "before," but not immediately before. Like, in the middle of the movie. The reconciliation shouldn't be super quick but it also shouldn't be something like "they reconcile, and then one of them immediately tries to sacrifice themselves".
>I mean, he's kind of not their problem? It depends on which direction they go with the multiverse/canon stuff.
I imagine that his current power up could be a problem for the multiverse. Miguel did tell Miles that he'll worry about Spot. >The reconciliation shouldn't be super quick but it also shouldn't be something like "they reconcile, and then one of them immediately tries to sacrifice themselves".
I agree. They should all have enough time to talk or regroup somewhere.
>Miguel did tell Miles that he'll worry about Spot.
I must've forgot that. >I agree. They should all have enough time to talk or regroup somewhere.
I imagine it'd be in Earth-42 or Gwen's universe.
After Miguel's tragic flashback, Miled felt extremely petty. He still got her mom to look after and he should have come to terms with his old man kicking the bucket someday because of his job as a cop.
Spider Death Cult it's a moronic plot point that only serves to do one thing which is paint Miles as the only true Spider-Man that's worthy of the title. Telling a memorable story with the characters isn't even in consideration, all this is to justify a looter Spider-Man as the replacement for a White Spider-Man. Even if by all accounts Miguel is in the right, it doesn't even matter because the only reason the stupid trolly problem situation even exist in the first place is to shill Miles. If the focus had been to tell an entertaining story with the characters, then the Death Cult wouldn't even be a thing.
Wouldn't it be funny if all it took to fix the universe breaking was to force Miguel to endure a similar tragedy in his life, on the presumption that he's never faced any kind of negative experience in his life ever
>Finally reunite with your best friend >She and your mentor take the side of a guy who thinks your existence is a cosmic fluke >Helps him try to capture you in his sci-fi fortress, doesn't defend you when he beats your ass and nearly kills you
Peter B and Gwen don't have the guts to treat Miles with any real respect, but side with the guy who thinks he's irresponsible for wanting to help when they were keeping the most relevant info from him until the last moment. If they cared about responsibility, they would've doubled down like Miguel and Jessica, but they want to be friends with Miles without letting him help with a problem that he himself is at the core of. Everyone is guilty over having their cake and wanting to eat it, but at least Miles is decisive, while the others just waffle between faux-friendship and the shaky promise of multiversal stability. The real killer is if either of them swapped places with Miles, he'd be at their side in a heartbeat; I think they knew that, Gwen especially, and that's what hurts the most out of anything. That, and the fact that their hesitation over trying to do the right thing ended up hurting him more than anything else.
Well, Peter B. saw what happened to the world where Miguel tried to start a new life so he is extremely conditioned by that. Saving Miles's father might lead to the same thing. I still believe that something else was going on in Miguel's world and he did not know about it, there is no way that his only influence would crack the world like that.
Gwen is a teenager surrounded by adults (of who she is desperately searching approval) who keep telling her that canon events MUST happen and that her father will die as well.
Miles doesn't have that influence; he just arrived, they come and tell him that his father will die and he has to let it happen. Obviously his first reaction is gigantic middle finger to them all.
In the end Gwen realizes that there could be another way and decides to help Miles, Peter B. knows that without Miles Mayday wouldn't have been born.
I agree with you, Miles wouldn't have hesitated to help them but that's because he is free and not influenced by anything and anyone else. That's what makes him special.
I think it's fascinating how worldwide audiences can just accept a redundant character existing and disrupting beloved established dynamics, simply as a racial token and literally nothing else. If Miles were white there'd be uproar in the street over how much he fricks over the core appeal of Spider-Man, it's really fascinating to watch.
I would honestly accept Miles if he was more distinct from Peter >Make his suit a little more thrown-together, clearly not made by a genius when it comes to stuff besides physics. >Far less webswinging, instead he gets around like a jumping spider who crawls on walls. Go for that freerunning style >Give him alternate powers. Like instead of Spider Sense he just has incredibly heightened senses that let him have a good understanding of his enviroment. Not Daredevil level, obviously. >Give him his own rogues gallery that's more befitting of his character >Less quipping, more fighting and improvisation. He's not competent or confident enough with this shit at the start to crack a single joke
>Be Spider-Man
>Be a Super Hero
He knew what he was signing up for.
Miguel?
Shut up Miguel
I couldn't enjoy this movie. Miles doesn't feel like a person/character anymore, but more so just a concept.
They balanced it better in the first movie, Miles' individuality, but his self in the sequel felt nonexistent.
He also looked cooler with the street clothes over the Spider-Man costume. In this he just looks like a skeleton with eraser head hair.
Agreed. I get the mature concept, but even his design felt empty.
it look ridiculous, guy was wearing shorts and jacket ontop of his suit,
Aren’t the suits made to let you wear them underneath you normal clothes for ease of access?
Those do go under her normal clothes anon.
Huh. I felt the complete opposite. Miles in the first movie was barely a character, yet in Across the Spider-Verse he really came into his own.
>anymore
Lay off the crazy pills.
No kidding, I haven't seen a pairing so artificial since... I don't even know, actually. Zero chemistry.
Why are you here? You don't enjoy the movie, probably haven't even seen it bc you didn't like the 1st movie, yet you feel it's necessary to engage these threads? Why the frick would you even pay the see the 2nd movie if you didn't like the 1st? You don't like Miles. Why are you here?
Pay, he says. Torrents really are black magic to zoomers, and not the trendy to not be disgusted by kind.
I'm here to retribute you brigading the actual Spider-Man threads. Open wide.
Nobody said anything about paying, schizo
>No kidding, I haven't seen a pairing so artificial since... I don't even know, actually. Zero chemistry.
They had tons of chemistry in the first movie but almost none in ATSV, because that's not what it was about. It's odd Across was being pushed as the "Miles-Gwen romance" movie when their relationship was tense and strenuous up until the very end. At this point I can't tell whether they'll end up together or not.
We did see how obsessed they are with each other, and we got to see them swing around and talk in the beginning. There's also the jealousy thing that was going between them. I guess this movie could've been a test for their relationship, but it wasn't the main focus. The Spider Society was the main focus.
It was cute to see wear his jacket.
>It's kind of hilarious how horny and desperate she seems for Miles at the beginning of the movie and then she's just like "Well, I guess that's it. The death cult says I can never see him again."
Idk if the death cult will let it slide if she tries to see him again.
>Idk if the death cult will let it slide if she tries to see him again.
Well, its a good thing she doesn't have to deal with them anymore.
>We did see how obsessed they are with each other, and we got to see them swing around and talk in the beginning.
>There's also the jealousy thing that was going between them.
Yeah. I love their dynamic. They're both obviously extremely attracted to one another but its possibly not obvious to each other, or themselves. I think the need to properly reconcile in BTSV before anything can truly happen though.
Get outta here with your cuckshit bendis
>They're both obviously extremely attracted to one another but its possibly not obvious to each other, or themselves.
Neither of them want to admit it,. Probably out of fear of rejection and not wanting to ruin their friendship. They'll get there eventually.
>I think the need to properly reconcile in BTSV before anything can truly happen though.
Definitely. Miles might just reject Gwen and her team at first because of a lack of trust, but he's gonna be a little desperate because he has no way home. This is assuming that Gwen's team gets to him first. BTSV is going to give some focus on Gwen and Miles repairing their relationship and Miles' relationship with some of the other Spider-Men.
>This is assuming that Gwen's team gets to him first.
It's assuming a lot. We really have no idea how BTSV is gonna play out. Between Earth-42, reconciliation, the Spider-Council, and The Spot, there's a lot of ground to cover in the sequel.
There really is a lot that could and would happen in the BTSV. I'm sure the Spider-Council will fight Spot, but will Spot be killed, imprisoned, redeemed? Is Miles going to sympathize with him? There's also Earth-42 Miles and Aaron. is Miles-42 a villain, hero, or an anti hero in his world? I have more questions, but I can't be fricked to write them all. In your opinion, would a reconciliation between Miles and Gwen's team be better before or during the big fight?
>I'm sure the Spider-Council will fight Spot
I mean, he's kind of not their problem? It depends on which direction they go with the multiverse/canon stuff.
>Is Miles-42 a villain, hero, or an anti hero in his world?
Exactly.
>In your opinion, would a reconciliation between Miles and Gwen's team be better before or during the big fight?
I guess I'd say "before," but not immediately before. Like, in the middle of the movie. The reconciliation shouldn't be super quick but it also shouldn't be something like "they reconcile, and then one of them immediately tries to sacrifice themselves".
Miles felt much more like an individual character here than he did in the first film.
Because they cut out even more of Peter to give to him
>cut out even more of Peter to give to him
its not his movie
What a moronic non-excuse, so if BTSV was a movie about Spider-Boy it'd be fine to have Miles give Bailey the "you gotta let them die" speech while Bailey is the only one who wants to save everyone from the canon events and has to fight Spot and date Gwen, even though we just saw Miles doing the opposite in this movie. Because it'd be Bailey's movie right.
its not about peter
That's the problem, yes
seethe more about it boyo maybe itll all magically be about peter
>it's a mindbroken bendisbuck
Of course it is lol
im not making threads about hating a cartoon movie everyday so i dont think im the broken one here
Neither am I
It’s all about peter actually, they treat those who died under his watch as so significant that ALL spider people need to have people die. It’s a weird way of establishing miles, not ONLY does peter have to die like a b***h, but he has to show that EVERY peter in the multiverse is a worse person than miles
go to ao3 with all this fanfiction
I wish they went to AO3 with the moronic fanfiction in this movie and other Miles stories
Is not that you lack Peter media or that you wish this movie was about Peter, is that you reset that someone may enjoy a movie about Miles and want no one to be able to have it.
I just want Miles to not cannibalize Peter, if they can make him work on his own more power to him, but as long as he's just doing whatever Pete would've done while Pete isn't allowed to so Miles can appear unique, he's worthless in my eyes.
You have no shortage of Peter media now or incoming, don't be a baby.
That's not a reason to make a copycat character propped up entirely by skin color, if these movies or other Miles media were about Punk or Miguel or any other spider you could easily say they're not stepping on Peter's territories because they can handle stories Peter isn't thematically suited for, but with Miles it's literally always "the story Spider-Man would've usually had.. but he's black in this one". I don't know how people don't find it demeaning.
No anon, you would still b***h about it. Let people enjoy their stupid Spider people movie and move on. The movie did well enough that it already has a future so think about this: all that awaits for you is a future decade of seething, do you want that?
Nah, that'd be pretty cool to see, instead of "Peter.. but black" AGAIN
>but as long as he's just doing whatever Pete would've done while Pete isn't allowed to
What are you even trying to say here?
Miles is now the only Spider-Man in the multiverse who rejects the trolley problem and every other Spider-Man has to learn from him
>conveniently ignoring that none of those problems are remotely on the level as this except web of shadows and even then they still knew they had wiggle room to mess with stuff without existence falling apart.
>Also ignoring the dialogue that implies they have tried to do both before and save worlds from collapsing and it didn't always work out
I think anyone in their position especially after all the traumas they've all been through by that point wouldn't want to risk that shit anymore. Idealism can only get you so far.
Spider-Man doesn't become a cynic after his traumas, what is this moronic writing
>If Miles had been through the same circumstances as the Spider people and saw entire world's dying because of this shit like spider society has
He literally saw the same thing they did, Miguel's presentation, only Miguel and Peter were there when the original universe collapse happened, everyone else got the same rundown as Miles did
Peter literally gave up being Spider-Man once just because it was too hard. And has had his fair share of low points where he's nearly completely given up. Faced with the massive and actual vey real and cruel hand of fate and the way of the universe and seeing that yeah you and all these spider-people and all the tragedies in your life is something destined to all of you and having to accept that isn't exactly far-fetched especially since as far as they all know there really is nothing they can do about it. It's not even cynicism on their part, it's just trying to make the best out of a truly awful situation. They're still saving as many people as they can, they still want to keep the worlds alive, and they don't just beat Miles up and tell him to suck it up. They understand and empathize with how he's feeling. It's just their reality isn't going to allow things to go the way they actually want them to where they can save everyone. They've tried it and it doesn't work.
>everyone else got the same rundown as Miles did
Except most of them have gone through the tragic shit in their life and a lot of it while Miles only dealt with Peter A and Aaron's death while they've gone through much, much, much more and they've also seen and experienced the consequences of breaking canon events on the job going by Miguel's lines about their procedures to stop worlds from being deleted hasn't worked. A presentation is one thing, actually living through it is another. Miles is still just a kid and hasn't accepted the sacrifice part of being Spider-Man but he's not even immune to what they've shown and must know on some level it's the truth judging by how Peter B's words actually get through to him for a bit.
It is incredibly far-fetched.
More words words words doesn't make you more right, it's out of character for Peter based on 60 years of content, and every death Spider-Man fails to prevent hardens his resolve to save everyone, you're implying Spider-Men have an expiry date and get worse at their purpose the longer they're at it
I don't know man. Forget being Peter, if I saw that any time I saved someone I wasn't supposed to and it kept killing entire dimension I don't think I'd keep actively doing the thing I know is actually killing even more innocent people. Honestly a guy doing something like that over and over again with full knowledge of the consequences of his actions and kept getting tons of innocent lives killed because he wanted to keep stubbornly, selfishly clinging to his ideals instead of accepting the reality of a situation he cannot change stops being admirable and ends up just looking like a stubborn, borderline sociopathic prick at best and that's being extremely charitable.
You could try looking into why the universe is breaking and fix that
As far as they know, nothing really contradicts the canon event theory other than sometimes some dimensions get lucky and others don't. They did develop technology to try and stop dimensions from being deleted outright when canon events get broken so they're still trying but it's not perfect enough for them to risk everything on it.
>so if BTSV was a movie about Spider-Boy it'd be fine to have Miles give Bailey the "you gotta let them die" speech while Bailey
Yes, if it were about Bailey.
What moronic concessions you're prepared to make for arbitrary rules like "everything and everyone has to bow down to the protagonist".
NWH had the previous Spider-Men work together with the new one and even teach him things, Andrew saved MJ and Tobey stopped Tom from killing Norman, *he* was the flawed one that needed lessons on being Spider-Man despite being the protagonist, it can be done as long as you're writing in good faith, which this movie series didn't do.
It's funny that even that shitty movie got the Spider-Mans right.
I’d honestly go so far as to say that no way home did the multiverse better than both into and across, no way home brings in both multiversal spideys and multiversal villains while across and into are only limited to spideys, there’s also more meaningful interactions between mcu peter and the other peters than spiderverse, at least into the spiderverse. Every spidey beside peter b and miles could’ve been gotten rid of. Into the spiderverse feels like a movie that could’ve just been an old cynical peter parker being a mentor to a newly bitten miles morales without any of the multiverse shenanigans. Unlike into, accross needs the multiverse to work as a plot, yet it’s the weaker of the two with how dumb the death cult plot point is and how it ruins an entire multiverse of spideys while also nullifying uncle ben’s death by making it a constant that cannot be stopped instead of something that peter could have easily stopped. I think both into and across would be better films if they were just animated miles movie with no multiverse shenanigans. The best parts of across were arguably the spot and miles’ universe anyways.
Across tricks you very cleverly by giving you all these Spider-Man who in the end tell you that they are the same. It almost feels nihilistic to be told to your face that the important events of your life happen to an infinite amount of variables.
Unlike good stories, they're far from causes and consequences, Across is selling you merchandise from a famous brand,
>tfw the first movie was going to be about regular Spiderman until corpos smelled the ESG money and jumped for the black guy that had only existed for a few years
it would've been perfect, and also not gotten a sequel as no normies would've hyped it up because the protag would be white.
You're right but this board somehow has unironic Milesgays on it now
If Miles had been through the same circumstances as the Spider people and saw entire world's dying because of this shit like spider society has? Yes. Absolutely. Because it's a pretty realistic response to trillions of lives being deleted right before your eyes on multiple occasions. I wouldn't agree morally but I'd understand what led him there. Especially in an echo chamber of spider-person suffering and making it feel all the tragedies in his life were very much the will of the universe he had no control over.
>acting like he was a character in the first one
and i'm not even sure he was my number one problem with the first one.
Even in the sequel, which I enjoyed, Miles is only defined by other spider people. If it wasn’t for the existence of Miguel, Gwen, Hobie, ect, he’d still be an absolutely nothing character. If you had Miguel or Peter B in isolation without the spider universe they still work, but miles just can’t. He’s never defined himself as an individual - when you remove the spider people he just fails to be a person, or a character. The only time people liked miles is when there’s massive amounts of meta writing desperately astroturfing him
>The only friends you made live on other Universes
>Your roomate barely talks to you
>You imagine that of you could only be with them in their Spider club you'll be happy
>They all hate you and want your dad to die
> your super-villain uncle is dead
> endorsed bad baby powder, had to make an apology video
>they all hate you
Did you read about the movie? They were all torn up as Miles learned about what's happening, mug even teared up a little at
>You think i'm gonna let my dad die?!
Where are you secondaries come from?
The last time he saw them they were siding with Miguel, not with him. When Miles tell his (non)Mom that it was like she told him and the people he wanted to be with didn't like him you can tell he feels dejected about it.
>Don't worry Miles, I won't lie to you or betray you.
He lied about his gender. Curious!
That’s not Peni
BASADO
>White people anime
Gross
>chromatic aberration
>in a black and white image
When you put it like that its actually really fricking funny. In a tragic way.
His roommate was wearing a beanie hat. No human being deserving of oxygen wears beanie hats.
Neither did the animators but that's life.
It would also be funny if after everything the Spider club does to save Miles' dad a random criminal shoots and kills his dad.
>goodbye gwen
damn...that shit hurt.
Why would you care about what happens to a disingenuous Bendis cuck pairing lol
Not being with Gwen is literally good for him as a character, you should be rooting for the two of them to stay professional colleagues. Gwen is sadly beyond redemption.
This. I'd like to see them reconcile but her being willing to allow his father to die was just too much for him to get over anytime soon and they just stay friends at best.
Gwen had come to terms with allowing her own father's death along with the rest of Spider society's canon events. It's through Miles' actions that forces her to reconsider her own acquiescence to tragic events - and to likely rescue Miles, where they will reconnect, so that Miles can save his father and the multiverse from The Spot.
That doesn't mean what she did isn't beyond redemption or forgiveness
She's a teenager going along with what a bunch of adults she admires tell her is the best course of action, no shit.
They're all moronic and beyond redemption, Miles did the logical and rational thing all of them should've done
Imagine your friends physically dogpiling you to watch your dad die based on some moronic misconception, there's really no going back to being buddy-buddy with them after that, if you have a problem with such a scenario take it up with the writers
Did you forget the scene where the giant frickoff wormhole appeared in Pavitr’s dimension? The spider society has a point
Wasn’t that caused by spot?
Anon, Spot caused that with his mini-collider. That has nothing to do with "canon". Miguel is full of shit and doesn't even know it yet.
Miguel is probably missing a things here and there but hasn't realized it yet.
I actually think Miguel killed his variant in order take his place. Probably did a lot of other things too b4 it was all ripped away from him.
I doubt that Miguel would do something like that.
Miguel is not a bad guy.
>Spot caused that
No he didn't. If he did, Miles dimension would've caved while Glen was wasting time with Miles and he restocked on dark matter at his apartment.
If you had watched the movie, you would've noticed that after Singh was saved, the crew noticed the collapse because the city was glitching out of existence. Which Spot can't do, even when he's at his strongest and has just killed a mob of Spiders (in the vision he shared with Miles in Mumbattan).
Lying homosexual.
Gwen will be redeemed when she sides with Miles. That's literally what the final act is building towards for the next movie. There's still time for that as long as her actions do not lead to the death of Miles' father. She's already working against Miguel and broke with major protocols just to see Miles again. Their relationship, Miles and Gwen, is fk'd right now to give it more substance, up the stakes, to make it more compelling, and fulfilling when they finally happen. I'm rooting for them.
You sound like you lack empathy, that could be a symptom of autism
Why must you make things personal? It's empathy that makes Gwen realize what's she doing is wrong when she finally understands what Miguel is causing when she sees the pain in Miles. It's what makes her change. Ppl can be redeemed- especially given the work Gwen is about to put in towards defeating Miguel. Ppl are redeemable. Your heart just has to be open enough to let it happen.
The fact that it wasn't immediately obvious to you how the things Peter, Gwen, Peni and the others did to Miles aren't redeemable and that Miles should naturally want nothing to do with them ever again, means that there's no point in explaining it to you since you wouldn't get it anyway.
Hope you enjoy the final movie.
>Peni and the others
Tbf none of the others were there besides Peni and if they were, they actively chose not to try to catch Miles nor try to talk him into letting his father die. Peter and Gwen ae the only one's on thin ice and more so Gwen because Peter honestly just wanted to talk to Miles and have a dialogue about it while Gwen actively assisted in trying to capture Miles.
No. If you do one bad thing you're irredeemable forever. That's the world we live in.
Black and White morality is a sign of BPD
You're trying way too fricking hard right now.
this, she was going to just sit there and stare at Indian Spider Man's girlfriend die and fall off a bridge while holding back Miles from saving her
They should had sent Spider-Racist instead. He wouldn't just watch but also cheer. Hell, they should send Spider-Racist after Miles.
>Spot is gonna crease his jays (and kill his dad too I guess)
>Miguel hates him because he's black
>had to dump his transgender snowbunny
>is about to be rizzed up hard by Prowler Miles (with alt Aaron working the camera)
And people say Peter has it hard.
How do you crease jays? Would you use a steamer?
Honestly Miles must be fricking devastated. He's completely neglected his social life between Spider-Man activities and working his ass off at school to get to Princeton just for the slightest chance of seeing his friend again and then when he's feeling the loneliest he's ever felt, here comes Gwen with this device that lets her come see him any time and there's a whole society a group of people just like him for him to belong to but then that elation is shredded to bits throughout the movie with him learning Gwen had been part of this group for months and never came to see him, her snapping at him when he tries to basically advertise himself to join the team, him over hearing her saying she'll never come see him again, then he gets Miguel shitting all over him at first, the news his father is fated to die and he's basically supposed to just let it happen and everyone including Peter and Gwen knew, then he gets his shit pushed in by Miguel physically and mentally with the revelation of him being an anomaly who was never meant to be a spider-man, that his peter's death was his fault, the mess with spot happening now and his dad's life being in jeopardy is because of him, then told he doesn't belong in this group he was so desperate to be a part of, learns that Peter and Gwen knew the whole truth the whole damn time and we never going to tell him any of this shit, THEN he fricks up his big-brain plan and goes to the wrong universe and is such a fricked mental state by this point he's fricking hallucinating while swinging, gets hit by a bus, manages to get home and work up the courage to tell his mom the truth only for it to not matter, he reunites sort of with his uncle but it's a short lived joy as he's betrayed yet again minutes later after seeing the hellhole this dimension's become since he got bit which only adds to his guilt, learns his dad fricking died in this dimension, then he gets caught by his evil self and is literally alone in a dimension. J U S T.
I appreciate your effort to encapsulate Miles' suffering that expands across the multiverse where all the Spider folk are against him, he's betrayed by his lover & mentor, is blamed forr killing Spider-man, accidentally falls into the one universe where he inadvertently benefits from its deterioration forced to see murals of his dead father, his mother hooking up with his uncle, & now having to defeat himself who lost everything in the process for him to become Spider-man ... in a single post.
You know what the worst part of this all is, you just know when miles sees gwen and the rest of the rescue team, he’s just gonna forgive them, there’s not gonna be a scene where miles tells them to frick off and he’s definitely gonna show any hostility towards them. I want these frickers to have some sort of just desserts for this shit but they won’t.
He’s 100% going to be hostile and think they’re siding with Miguel when he first meets them.
I legit hope he tries beating their asses
Damn. Sucks for Miles, i guess.
>He's completely neglected his social life
We get nothing of that. Just him moping how every other spider man is off doing multiversal shit. Does miles even have a supporting cast outside his parents in this?
I want the hero in the end to be miguel
Real anti-heroes that portray some kind of ugly truth need to make a comeback
I want this but at the same time I also want Miguel to be the one who can't help his heroic instincts and tries to Miles' dad. Whether he succeeds or not is irrelevant. I just want to see him attempt.
this is one oft the only good comments about this movie i've seen. you're goddamn right
>Real anti-heroes that portray some kind of ugly truth need to make a comeback
I don't want Miguel to be "the hero in the end" but this is kind of how I saw him in the movie, and its concerning other people didn't. I hope BTSV "redeems" him a bit since people came away from ATSV thinking he was completely irrational instead of complex and traumatized.
Neither the overworked animators who worked on his film
context?
a black fella with a mental disability does some moves on the wrestlers working in the indie scene
https://twitter.com/Draylinz/status/1662470728623484930/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1662470728623484930¤tTweetUser=Draylinz
Across the spiderverse background characters be like:
He is a spiderman of course he doesn't deserve it but he needs it
I feel bad for Gwen and understand she was a lonely and confused teenager with nowhere to go.
At the same time, I think she was a crappy girlfriend. Miles should generally reconcile with her after she helps set things right but keep emotional and social distance forever after that.
>Bae, I missed you SO MUCH I joined a fatalistic superhero death cult
>I used their technology so you could fawn and simp over me all day
>And once I get my fill of attention I'm headed back to this British guy's house (DO NOT worry about him, HE'S JUST A FRIEND)
>Oh, and then I'm gonna make you watch your dad die
>After calling both your parents by their first names like I'm their buddy
>Can we swing webs again and cuddle after the funeral?
Miles should rawdog Peni and send Gwen the video.
Gwen did risk destroying the multiverse just to speak with Miles again. Give her some slack.
The opposite, she was just fulfilling her canon event
>At the same time, I think she was a crappy girlfriend
They were never dating. But, yeah, what she did was bad. It's kind of hilarious how horny and desperate she seems for Miles at the beginning of the movie and then she's just like "Well, I guess that's it. The death cult says I can never see him again."
>Oh, and then I'm gonna make you watch your dad die
In her defense, Gwen wasn't too keen on dads at the time. I think she completely disconnected emotionally after her father tried to shoot/arrest her. We don't get the "real" Gwen back until she's forced back to her universe and they reconcile.
i mean, is no one gonna talk about how she just accepts that her father is gonna die and how she's passively good with it FOR MONTHS?!?!
Like goddamn, fricking TRY. ANYTHING.
The PeniCHADS are waiting to take the chance
How naive were the marketers and writers, for them to not know that Miguel's logic could be used by a rapist to excuse his actions against a woman
Wat?
Miguel is pro-rape, Marketer. He'd treat a woman's rape as their "canon event"
Would Miguel get along with commissioners? Asking for a friend.
Shut the frick up man.
Keep seething lmao
You know I'm right
there is literally nothing wrong with rape
it's ok anon. the big man can't find you anymore.
His universe's Peter didn't deserve to die either but look what happened to him. Hope Jefferson dies in the next movie.
That actually makes Miguel's point make sense. I am sure the Spider-Men in all other universes didn't have the '''main''' Spider-Man die for them to take up the mantle. They just always were the original Spider-Man.
Miguel was right.
Technically wouldn’t Miguel have been the second Spider-Man in his universe though? Or was there no peter before 2099 to inspire him?
Miguel isn't even the main Spider-Man of his universe. It would be nice if Miles and Miguel could talk about having to take up the mantle of Spider-Man. Miles could actually learn something from him.
Why did the spider bite Miles if his universe wasn’t supposed to have two Spider-Men?
Dude, the catalyst for all of these events is The Spot. He's the scientist that takes gd spider from Earth 42 to begin with that leads to Miles becoming the 2nd Spider-man. Plus, the King Pins collider has made the multiverse aware of itself which has its own branches & sets of consequences that aren't all canon events meaning these universes can interact w/o destroying each other.
Miles becomes an original in the process being the only Spider-man born from an alternate universe spider. Don't pretend that the multiverse isn't constantly exploited by heroes and villains that discover its existence.
Conclusion: Miguel is convinced that Miles becomes The Spot in the future
The Spot's a villiain primarily because of his misplaced aggression and blame for his own tampering with the multiverse wanting revenge and/or acknowledgement. Typical villain, mad scientist shit threatening the entire multiverse for his own failures in character and actions. Honestly, it's one of the major negative outcomes of prioritizing STEM educations; this lack of ethics, moral clarity, and following moral imperatives.
That's totally irrelevant to what I said
He's getting his ass ripped apart by Gwen off screen.
>Please stop posting threads with his ugly jungle spear chucking chimperino porch monkey face in the op.
Fricking hilarious post I'm surprised the mods deleted it instead of letting it sit for everyone to laugh at
Was there any PoS (Person of Spider) that didn't suffer?
Spider-Man India so far, but who knows how long I'll last.
In all Spider-man history, yes there are a few. In the ATSV movie not that we know of.
I want to protect his smile.
I know, he deserves more.
You're right.
He deserved more suffering.
He will probably get more suffering. No way is either his Dad or Gwen making it out of the next movie alive.
Gwen deserves to die after what she did, so go ahead and kill her
/OurGirl/ is going to redeem herself by saving Miles.
I wanna see a scene where the spidey society kidnaps gwen’s dad to kill him and miles is the only one who can save him but instead he just says “go ahead, do it for the canon” and walks away, with gwen sobbing her eyes out watching her dad die.
This is such a funny fricking post.
What, I wanna see that, she wants canon to happen so bad, let canon happen to her dad just after they’ve reconciled, it’s what she deserves
It reminds me of Chris Stuckmann's revised BvS and this dumbass tweet. Just incredibly edgy and tryhard.
>"Go ahead, do it for the canon"
>"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck"
>"Peacemaker, what a joke"
Thank you for your contribution.
Yeah, it’s pretty edgy, I just don’t wanna see gwen get away scottfree after what she did in this film
That's fair, that was just funny as hell to say. I can imagine the cheap amateur fan voice acting. Some kid thinking he's being incredibly badass like "Go ahead, do it for the canon." Like when Suburban white kids say "she's for the streets".
True, the line does give off that fanmade vibe, but honestly, considering this is a films series where an entire multiverse of spideys are letting people die as sacrifical lambs “for the greater good”, it doesn’t completely sound implausible
Honestly, going by the series’ similarities with the lego movie series, I can see miles letting someone die and a scene like this happening between him and gwen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buCvJzezSjY
This sounds like something Earth-42 Miles would do.
Do you understand what drama is, OP?
>He did not deserve that amount of suffering
Wouldn't be Spiderman if he didn't suffer
>Wants to be Spider-Man
>Can't handle the suffering
Forever Miles Morales.
At this point, he's had a decent amount of suffering. Read
But he's spiderman
He’s Spider-Man it’s par for the course if he can’t handle it he shouldn’t have put on the mask.
That's not an uncommon opinion on this site.
I want them to stop making those kinds of movies. It physically pains me seeing a black person as the hero
There black heroes on screen over 2 decades ago and there's going to be black heroes on screen in the future. You're just going to ignore them or keep seething about them.
I will fricking seeth... And I will seeth. And seeth. And seeth.
Stupid race of humans. I don't want people to continue giving them sympathy, I want people to see them for what they are. Dumbass tribal people. Frick them.
I'm frothing through my mouth right now. I just hate them
I don't recommend seething but it's your life, anon.
Frick you
After I frick your mother, anon.
I would kick your mother in the fricking head
I wish I could take a hammer and beat your fricking... Something, something? I don't know? Your mother? Your children? Father? Sister? Brother?
I don't care, I would kill them or something idk lolz
I feel a little bad saying this. I don't know. Frick you for saying shit about my mother though
This guy
isn't me. Sorry for disrespecting your mother, anon
Well, too bad. We aren’t going anywhere. And you will remain you. A soulless specter of malice gnawing itself in the darkness.
>A soulless specter of malice gnawing itself in the darkness
That shit sound a little bit cool. You should've just called me a homosexual or something
Your obsession w/black ppl only gives them an inordinate amount of control over your life even when that obsession is negative. Hatred will do you no favors in this life or the next. It will end you in one way or another.
You're wrong. Hatred is good. Frick empathy for Black folks
Hey now, I'm a law abiding Black folk. Take your anger out on the ones causing problems.
Bro you can be racist without being sounding like a 13 year old edgelord.
I know
Into the spider verse would be 100x with any other protagonist. Dude is such a boring milquetoast nigcel it nearly makes the movies unwatchable
Is the autism finally dying down? There's only 1 Miles hate thread in the catalog today instead of several
>Hating Miles is autism
When you spam several threads about it at the same time, yes.
Hollywood movies are soulless.
How did Prowler Miles know about alternate universes instead of just assuming Spider-Miles has shape shifting powers or whatever?
I don't think he knew, he just didn't care and didn't trust Miles.
He accepted it way too easily and easily accepted the fact Spider-Miles' dad might be alive instead of questioning him on who he was, why he looks like him, etc.
Alternate universes should be a HUGE leap of logic for most people, even superheroes/villains.
My guess is that enough weird shit has happened in the Earth-42 for Prowler Miles to not think that an alternate version of himself exist. Miles also might've glitched out while he unconscious.
>I mean, he's kind of not their problem? It depends on which direction they go with the multiverse/canon stuff.
I imagine that his current power up could be a problem for the multiverse. Miguel did tell Miles that he'll worry about Spot.
>The reconciliation shouldn't be super quick but it also shouldn't be something like "they reconcile, and then one of them immediately tries to sacrifice themselves".
I agree. They should all have enough time to talk or regroup somewhere.
>Miguel did tell Miles that he'll worry about Spot.
I must've forgot that.
>I agree. They should all have enough time to talk or regroup somewhere.
I imagine it'd be in Earth-42 or Gwen's universe.
I mean Miles accepted Peter as being from another dimension pretty quickly in the first movie.
Guys, just report the racists/trolls. Why are you engaging
After Miguel's tragic flashback, Miled felt extremely petty. He still got her mom to look after and he should have come to terms with his old man kicking the bucket someday because of his job as a cop.
he doin his own thang
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Shut the frick up.
Spider Death Cult it's a moronic plot point that only serves to do one thing which is paint Miles as the only true Spider-Man that's worthy of the title. Telling a memorable story with the characters isn't even in consideration, all this is to justify a looter Spider-Man as the replacement for a White Spider-Man. Even if by all accounts Miguel is in the right, it doesn't even matter because the only reason the stupid trolly problem situation even exist in the first place is to shill Miles. If the focus had been to tell an entertaining story with the characters, then the Death Cult wouldn't even be a thing.
Wouldn't it be funny if all it took to fix the universe breaking was to force Miguel to endure a similar tragedy in his life, on the presumption that he's never faced any kind of negative experience in his life ever
Pretty much.
miles is only half black
That's why only half the board hates him.
What suffering? His uncle died?
Yeah, he deserved worse.
>Finally reunite with your best friend
>She and your mentor take the side of a guy who thinks your existence is a cosmic fluke
>Helps him try to capture you in his sci-fi fortress, doesn't defend you when he beats your ass and nearly kills you
Peter B and Gwen don't have the guts to treat Miles with any real respect, but side with the guy who thinks he's irresponsible for wanting to help when they were keeping the most relevant info from him until the last moment. If they cared about responsibility, they would've doubled down like Miguel and Jessica, but they want to be friends with Miles without letting him help with a problem that he himself is at the core of. Everyone is guilty over having their cake and wanting to eat it, but at least Miles is decisive, while the others just waffle between faux-friendship and the shaky promise of multiversal stability.
The real killer is if either of them swapped places with Miles, he'd be at their side in a heartbeat; I think they knew that, Gwen especially, and that's what hurts the most out of anything. That, and the fact that their hesitation over trying to do the right thing ended up hurting him more than anything else.
Well, Peter B. saw what happened to the world where Miguel tried to start a new life so he is extremely conditioned by that. Saving Miles's father might lead to the same thing. I still believe that something else was going on in Miguel's world and he did not know about it, there is no way that his only influence would crack the world like that.
Gwen is a teenager surrounded by adults (of who she is desperately searching approval) who keep telling her that canon events MUST happen and that her father will die as well.
Miles doesn't have that influence; he just arrived, they come and tell him that his father will die and he has to let it happen. Obviously his first reaction is gigantic middle finger to them all.
In the end Gwen realizes that there could be another way and decides to help Miles, Peter B. knows that without Miles Mayday wouldn't have been born.
I agree with you, Miles wouldn't have hesitated to help them but that's because he is free and not influenced by anything and anyone else. That's what makes him special.
morons like you are why Show Don't Tell is being increasingly abandoned.
It was not a lot of suffering. I suppose he did nothing wrong really, so he didn't deserve it. But it was just kinda low tier suffering.
His suffering I feel its not over. Even if he manages to save his dad someone still has to die in his place. Either his mom or Peter. B Parker
That's the life of Spider-Man
All the spiders don't, but that's what makes them super heroes when they take the path to help people from suffering like them.
>1/3 of the movie is a chase scene where thousands of different spideys try to pin and curbstomp a black child
Jesus Christ, Raimi
I think it's fascinating how worldwide audiences can just accept a redundant character existing and disrupting beloved established dynamics, simply as a racial token and literally nothing else. If Miles were white there'd be uproar in the street over how much he fricks over the core appeal of Spider-Man, it's really fascinating to watch.
yes, race politics or whatever it's called is all about promoting the brown color
People like Miles because the movie is great.
Did people seethe about Batman Beyond? No because the series was good too.
The parts people like exist with or without Miles, the creators basically admitted that
I would honestly accept Miles if he was more distinct from Peter
>Make his suit a little more thrown-together, clearly not made by a genius when it comes to stuff besides physics.
>Far less webswinging, instead he gets around like a jumping spider who crawls on walls. Go for that freerunning style
>Give him alternate powers. Like instead of Spider Sense he just has incredibly heightened senses that let him have a good understanding of his enviroment. Not Daredevil level, obviously.
>Give him his own rogues gallery that's more befitting of his character
>Less quipping, more fighting and improvisation. He's not competent or confident enough with this shit at the start to crack a single joke