I'm a huge fan of his podcast and bombastic social media persona. He's a lot of fun, and the memes against him are uniformly corny. But he is insecure and a boomer dick about a lot of stuff, not saying he's not right about a lot of it, but too much of it comes from that insecurity. Like, 'aw man remember when comic art was good? the exact years when *I* was a teenager?' His feuds, his lashing out, again extremely funny and entertaining, but insecure.
What he did actually wrong, obviously, is letting his Youngblood/Supreme Extreme Studios stuff get sold out from under him.
In fairness, Rob was a teenager during the time of Bronze Age comics, he's got good reason to be nostalgic about the Big 2 stuff from when he was younger.
Him slacking on Deathmate killed Valiant
Deathmate killed Valiant is just a meme, they kept going some way into the 90s after that, anon. They eventually got bought by Acclaim and rebranded Acclaim Comics, but they were still around for years. Kicking Shooter out didn't kill them and nor did Deathmate, which wasn't even their first high profile flop of 1993. They rode the speculator wave well for a time, but Valiant's 1993 relaunch of Turok was one of the early examples of a FIRST ISSUE COLLECTOR'S ITEM books that retailers ordered a lot of, assured it would be a hit, only to be stuck with more copies than they could sell when the speculators didn't show up, as it started to dawn on them that only scarce comics from decades ago were actually worth serious money, and modern books with huge print runs weren't a sound investment. Dark Horse's superhero line launched around the same time and had the same problem. 90s Turok would eventually inspire a classic game though.
I can respect Liefeld for having the frick you money to just say whatever he wants, I can respect him for wanting to make money to help with his sick dad and help out his family, but I fricking hate how he refuses to give anyone else any credit on Deadpool’s popularity and how much he inflates his success in the 90s. In his podcast he acts like he and he alone made Deadpool the household name he is today and believes he shouldn’t have to share creator credit for him with Niceza. And in one podcast he spends an hour stroking himself off because his family of titles in Image, Extreme, outsold Todd’s family of titles for one month, conveniently glossing over how he was publishing 13 books that month to Todd’s 2. None of his Image book retained any sort of value at all out of the 90s, I can remember going to antique malls with my parents in the late 90s and coming across box after box of Extreme titles being sold for a quarter.
>In his podcast he acts like he and he alone made Deadpool the household name he is today and believes he shouldn’t have to share creator credit for him with Niceza.
Sadly this has been the way comics creatives have behaved forever when people co-created a popular character like that. There's always people who claim they did everything of value.
>None of his Image book retained any sort of value at all out of the 90s, I can remember going to antique malls with my parents in the late 90s and coming across box after box of Extreme titles being sold for a quarter.
So what? Unless you thought your collection was an investment you were planning to sell when you got older, who cares? Spend your quarters on some old Extreme books, you'll probably enjoy them more than anything the Big 2 are doing today.
>Sadly this has been the way comics creatives have behaved forever
Not really, the only one I can really think of is Bob Kane, most creators happily share credit, Mark Millar splits his million dollar deals right down the middle with his artists, Alan Moore gives all the money from adaptions to the artists, even Stan Lee, who people here try to paint as some glory hound monster, was always quick to give credit to artists. And if he was that concerned about sharing credit he should’ve written the whole issue himself >Unless you thought your collection was an investment you were planning to sell when you got older, who cares?
My point is that for all his bluster about being such an important figure in the industry his only contributions with any sort of staying power were Cable and Deadpool and that’s because more talented creators re-worked them. He flooded the 90s market with his Extreme shit and not a one has had any sort of real impact beyond being the first Image book.
one hilarious, underappreciated aspect of Liefeld lore, is that he "unearthed" his first deadpool sketch a few years ago after he was getting some shit on twitter for not giving fabian enough credit or whatever, but that the sketch looks nothing like his style back then, and is clearly his modern day attempt to mimic that style. This whole page is a work, down to the "Deadpool" and explanation of his powers.
Fabian is a homosexual and has tried to leech so much credit he doesn’t deserve so there’s that
Ok I was actually mistaken, it's been 5 years, he posted that to prove that he came up with the Weapon X = 10 concept, and not Grant Morrison. The key bit being DP as Weapon 9.
>but all he talks about is capeshit and da-biz regarding it.
It's a similar situation as with John Byrne, both were star artists of their time, but they both really love superheroes and it's the only kind of comic they usually want to draw, read, or talk about.
Excuse me never compare the 2. The only possible comparison between Byrne and anyone is Kirby. Both cranked out 2-3 books a month as writer and penciler and ever sometimes inker.
Almost nobody else could do that. Comparing anyone, let alone Liefeld, to Byrne is just absurd.
It wasn't a comparison about their work ethic anon, it was a comparison about them being star artists who love superheroes so damn much they don't want to do anything else, and how most of what they have to say will always be about cape comics.
Nothing against him as a person. I don't really keep up with the shit he says but he has to be one of the worst artists I have ever seen. It blows my mind that this man made a career out of drawing.
>he has to be one of the worst artists I have ever seen. >anon confirmed for not paying any attention to the modern day comics industry and how bad things really are
>It blows my mind that this man made a career out of drawing.
Wait until you find out about the guys who've made a career out of writing comics.
You don't overthink Liefeld art and nitpick the anatomy and composition, you feel it. You feel it like a shot of adrenaline and testosterone.
He kinda looks like the Irategamer.
he's cool
I'm a huge fan of his podcast and bombastic social media persona. He's a lot of fun, and the memes against him are uniformly corny. But he is insecure and a boomer dick about a lot of stuff, not saying he's not right about a lot of it, but too much of it comes from that insecurity. Like, 'aw man remember when comic art was good? the exact years when *I* was a teenager?' His feuds, his lashing out, again extremely funny and entertaining, but insecure.
What he did actually wrong, obviously, is letting his Youngblood/Supreme Extreme Studios stuff get sold out from under him.
In fairness, Rob was a teenager during the time of Bronze Age comics, he's got good reason to be nostalgic about the Big 2 stuff from when he was younger.
Deathmate killed Valiant is just a meme, they kept going some way into the 90s after that, anon. They eventually got bought by Acclaim and rebranded Acclaim Comics, but they were still around for years. Kicking Shooter out didn't kill them and nor did Deathmate, which wasn't even their first high profile flop of 1993. They rode the speculator wave well for a time, but Valiant's 1993 relaunch of Turok was one of the early examples of a FIRST ISSUE COLLECTOR'S ITEM books that retailers ordered a lot of, assured it would be a hit, only to be stuck with more copies than they could sell when the speculators didn't show up, as it started to dawn on them that only scarce comics from decades ago were actually worth serious money, and modern books with huge print runs weren't a sound investment. Dark Horse's superhero line launched around the same time and had the same problem. 90s Turok would eventually inspire a classic game though.
His left eye is noticeable higher than his right.
He couldn't draw feet.
Him slacking on Deathmate killed Valiant
I can respect Liefeld for having the frick you money to just say whatever he wants, I can respect him for wanting to make money to help with his sick dad and help out his family, but I fricking hate how he refuses to give anyone else any credit on Deadpool’s popularity and how much he inflates his success in the 90s. In his podcast he acts like he and he alone made Deadpool the household name he is today and believes he shouldn’t have to share creator credit for him with Niceza. And in one podcast he spends an hour stroking himself off because his family of titles in Image, Extreme, outsold Todd’s family of titles for one month, conveniently glossing over how he was publishing 13 books that month to Todd’s 2. None of his Image book retained any sort of value at all out of the 90s, I can remember going to antique malls with my parents in the late 90s and coming across box after box of Extreme titles being sold for a quarter.
>In his podcast he acts like he and he alone made Deadpool the household name he is today and believes he shouldn’t have to share creator credit for him with Niceza.
Sadly this has been the way comics creatives have behaved forever when people co-created a popular character like that. There's always people who claim they did everything of value.
>None of his Image book retained any sort of value at all out of the 90s, I can remember going to antique malls with my parents in the late 90s and coming across box after box of Extreme titles being sold for a quarter.
So what? Unless you thought your collection was an investment you were planning to sell when you got older, who cares? Spend your quarters on some old Extreme books, you'll probably enjoy them more than anything the Big 2 are doing today.
>Sadly this has been the way comics creatives have behaved forever
Not really, the only one I can really think of is Bob Kane, most creators happily share credit, Mark Millar splits his million dollar deals right down the middle with his artists, Alan Moore gives all the money from adaptions to the artists, even Stan Lee, who people here try to paint as some glory hound monster, was always quick to give credit to artists. And if he was that concerned about sharing credit he should’ve written the whole issue himself
>Unless you thought your collection was an investment you were planning to sell when you got older, who cares?
My point is that for all his bluster about being such an important figure in the industry his only contributions with any sort of staying power were Cable and Deadpool and that’s because more talented creators re-worked them. He flooded the 90s market with his Extreme shit and not a one has had any sort of real impact beyond being the first Image book.
He's living every day in the shadow of Jim and Todd's success. He has the DP residuals, but not their empires or influence, and it kills him.
He really didn't people just don't like his work cause it's a taste thing not that actually that bad to be honest.
one hilarious, underappreciated aspect of Liefeld lore, is that he "unearthed" his first deadpool sketch a few years ago after he was getting some shit on twitter for not giving fabian enough credit or whatever, but that the sketch looks nothing like his style back then, and is clearly his modern day attempt to mimic that style. This whole page is a work, down to the "Deadpool" and explanation of his powers.
Fabian is a homosexual and has tried to leech so much credit he doesn’t deserve so there’s that
Ok I was actually mistaken, it's been 5 years, he posted that to prove that he came up with the Weapon X = 10 concept, and not Grant Morrison. The key bit being DP as Weapon 9.
He probably did
Yeah maybe
Well then. Vindicated. Liefeld still did nothing wrong.
I mean, not wrong exactly, but it's still funny that the image and narrative is something of a forgery years after the fact
hes cool. massive pencil millage, mad props.
but all he talks about is capeshit and da-biz regarding it.
>but all he talks about is capeshit and da-biz regarding it.
It's a similar situation as with John Byrne, both were star artists of their time, but they both really love superheroes and it's the only kind of comic they usually want to draw, read, or talk about.
Excuse me never compare the 2. The only possible comparison between Byrne and anyone is Kirby. Both cranked out 2-3 books a month as writer and penciler and ever sometimes inker.
Almost nobody else could do that. Comparing anyone, let alone Liefeld, to Byrne is just absurd.
It wasn't a comparison about their work ethic anon, it was a comparison about them being star artists who love superheroes so damn much they don't want to do anything else, and how most of what they have to say will always be about cape comics.
Nothing against him as a person. I don't really keep up with the shit he says but he has to be one of the worst artists I have ever seen. It blows my mind that this man made a career out of drawing.
>he has to be one of the worst artists I have ever seen.
>anon confirmed for not paying any attention to the modern day comics industry and how bad things really are
>It blows my mind that this man made a career out of drawing.
Wait until you find out about the guys who've made a career out of writing comics.
You don't overthink Liefeld art and nitpick the anatomy and composition, you feel it. You feel it like a shot of adrenaline and testosterone.
I do pay attention. There's some shit art out there, I don't deny that. Liefeld's is just hideous. I'm sure he's a nice enough person but goddamn.
He won
The eisners needs to honestly shut down for a few years and come back with a new panel and no awards for Image, Marvel or DC a comics.
No, he did everything wrong.
I miss Snyder at DC.