I think At All Costs was supposed to be this film's Love is an Open Door - early song with hero and not yet villain that's romantic (sounding) with double meanings - but it highlights how much better the songwriting in Frozen was comparatively.
Say what you will about the stupid twist but you can see in Love is an Open Door how Hans puts emphasis on having his own place and leading Anna on in the sentence sharing parts of the song. The whole song is also overly cheery and clearly superficial so it works. At All Costs sorely lacks any of that so it just sounds very genuine. I'd say Pine was a poor choice as he's singing it too sincerely but we've heard him do kind of satirical/slimy singing as the Prince in Into the Woods so I'm assuming the direction was just terrible.
I seethe every time this gets posted. There was someone at Disney who looked at the fricking gold they had on their hands with Magnifico and Amaya being a hot, older couple doing evil/questionable things together and said "lol she actually doesn't love him lmao"
>sequel where she becomes evil >they end up freeing magnifico so he can help them overthrow her
5 months ago
Anonymous
She's pretty evil already.
5 months ago
Anonymous
b***h get me outta this whack ass crystal prison
5 months ago
Anonymous
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, but in the next film, she'll read the evil book without making sure to put on the convenient anti-evil oil that Magnifico didn't know about, which will turn her into an Evil Queen.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just like pajeet slotlights.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, the MCU post-credits scene shows that he's never getting ut of that mirror.
5 months ago
Anonymous
What happens there?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Magnifico is established as the Magic Mirror from Sleeping Beauty.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>ENTER PUNISHED MAGNIFICO (ESPEJO Black)
5 months ago
Anonymous
let's be real here. after all the negative backlash, this property is never gonna be touched again.
Wait so he becomes the magic mirror from snow white?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah and considering he looks normal in the mirror, it's safe to assume the dramaturgy mask is just an avatar he has with motion capture and everything
Yes, Magnifico is a Vtuber
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah and considering he looks normal in the mirror, it's safe to assume the dramaturgy mask is just an avatar he has with motion capture and everything
Yes, Magnifico is a Vtuber
not quite, it's just a reference. Asha is not the real fairy godmother, the peter pan guy was not the real peter pan, the goat didn't really wish zootopia alternate universe into existence
it's just references
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Social credit has been deposited to your account Comrade.
5 months ago
Anonymous
They know what they're doing with those references though. I remember all the articles of this creative team having to acknowledge the "DURR TARZAN IS SECRETLY ANNA AND ELSA'S BROTHER" theories.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>They know what they're doing with those references though.
Yeah, they want people to screenshot or watch the movie multiple times to try and catch them all. I wouldn't be shocked if Disney pushed them to shove as many references as they could since this movie is meant to be their 100 year anniversary. But now I wish they'd just made another Fantasia movie instead.
Yeah and considering he looks normal in the mirror, it's safe to assume the dramaturgy mask is just an avatar he has with motion capture and everything
Yes, Magnifico is a Vtuber
So does that mean the Queen who was married to him, would soon have a descendant that would become the Wicked Queen, and she would later die?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Kinda? Imagine if Snow White wasn't actually Fairest of Them All but Magnifico said this JUST to frick with the Evil Queen because she was insecure about her stepdaughter >Snow White becomes "Wish 2: Magnifico's Revenge"
He didn't get out, but he got rid of that traitorous bloodline kek
I'm almost 100 percent certain it was the suits that shat up the place and chrned out the sludge that as thr final film. Corporate meddling has become increasingly more blatant in revent years. WiRII was almost entirely being written as a corporate advertisement, and this isn't much different.
>Wife stabs husband in the back when he's revealed to be the villain and joins up with the sisterhood instead of supporting him
Who would have thought that unbridled hatred of the penis'd kind would result in such outcomes?
I rented Ralph 2 so it's no surprise to me, I just think it's wild how many people gave that movie a pass for its blatantly anti-male messaging. >Okay! Okay. You can stop crying. Though I do respect your wonderful display of vulnerability.
I hope these people suffer horribly.
5 months ago
Anonymous
They always say they want men to be more vulnerability but are disguised when seeing it, I hold nothing but contempt for them.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Funny thing is the movie doesn't even try to disguise her disgust. Gaslighting: The Movie.
I seethe every time this gets posted. There was someone at Disney who looked at the fricking gold they had on their hands with Magnifico and Amaya being a hot, older couple doing evil/questionable things together and said "lol she actually doesn't love him lmao"
Would've been better if they were an evil couple and Magnifico did get trapped in the mirror, while Amaya ran off to rule another kingdom by marrying herself to another monarch, but still madly in love with her first husband and they're both together conning various kingdoms and duchies. Her as the evil queen and Magnifico as her true love trapped in the mirror yet capable of doing incredible magic despite it
Most likely the writers were told that they had to change that part from the higher ups because you cant have a evil woman in a position of power these days.
Dude attempted a Coup for his own self-gain. Elsa going full Freezetard was just icing on the cake for a justification to overthrow her. If Elsa didn’t, he would marry into the family only for his own pursuit of power. He used Anna, deceived her, and ditched her when he realized he could take them both out and get away with it.
Magnifico’s intentions were pretty pure to begin with and that didn’t change until the end when he is forced to use wrathful power because everyone tarded out and went against him.
Honestly, what makes this worse is despite being shitty, Hans was clearly a better ruler than either sisters, the sequel proves this. I don't think he would've been THAT bad a king had he succeded with his OG plan.
I mean, he helped the kingdom in its greatest moment of need, a true idiot who only wants power would have abandoned them at the first opportunity.
It’s funny how Hans is more reasonable with the kingdom than its own rulers. But the plot had to slap him to be evil since they wanted the Ice witch and the trolls (fallen angels) to look good.
They removed all references of Jesus from our cultures, so pure evil could be promoted shamelessly and deceive the masses as they continue to attack pure images of the head of God, man and kings.
Even beings that resemble demons (horns, blue/red skin, claws, vampires, clowns, and jesters) are tossed to trash and mocked, when those characters are against magic, sin, and fallen angels (human wannabes) despite their clear connections to them.
We are indeed fighting against fallen angels instead of blood and flesh.
all he had to do was >stab Ana >stab himself slightly and cut off some clothing to make it look like a scuffle >"GUARDS! HELP! ONE OF ELSA'S SNOW CREATURES BROKE IN HERE! THE PRINCESS NEEDS HELP!"
Hans was really evil, the problem was that it wasn’t believable with his previous interactions with Elsa (not Anna, he was totally using her from the start).
Frick you talking about? Women will frick prisoners they only met through letters thinking they can fix them. Not to mention the women obsessed with actual serial killers AFTER they've been exposed as serial killers
My must you hurt me more with things that cannot be. The fricking starblob dancing around makes it so much worse. I trust that there will be animatics of this at least.
The protagonist is very cute, very breedable plap plap plap.
Most jokes and gags aren't that funny, it uses a lot of "cute tee hee hee behavior" which gets old quick, you keep wanting something more edgy to cut through the sweetness.
The villain is done bad, he makes too much of a change too quickly, literally dropping core traits (his love for his country) just so he can become the antagonist. They should've gone with a more psychological, gray-area conflict as anons have been suggesting in these threads.
But the movie is fine, just completely forgettable. Wait for streaming it.
He created a kingdom and people from all over the world travels there to live their lives. Everyone is happy there, even those who hadn't had their wishes granted yet.
A whole generation of kids grew up sympathizing with the Pharaoh from Prince of Egypt instead of seeing him as an outright villain. I wonder if the same will happen with this?
Pharaohs and slavery did exist in real life, this story is 100% fictional.
They only sympathized with him in prince of Egypt because that movie was brilliantly written and made him a complex villain instead of a generic evil dude, like the case in OP's ppic.
>instead of a generic evil dude
Thing is, usually those villains are obviously so from the start, Magnifico only becomes a generic evil dude partway through despite having benevolent qualities
I mean thousands of years later we know that the israeli enslavement in Egypt didn't happen and even if it did Pharoah has been justified in retrospect
Anon sound's like a /misc/tard and he might even be one but historically he is right, Exodus didn't happen because there were basically no israelites in Egypt at the time, let alone slaves. But with that said even if you think modern israelites are fine now, which fair enough not everything has to be a fricking conspiracy, back in the bronze age the israelites were fricking insane psychopaths who would regularly get into a loop of going
>"We are the Master Race! Our One God is Almighty and Promised Us the World! Slaughter the Lesser Filth and consume their Empire!" >"OH Frick they're beating our asses and our invasion/uprising has resulted in us being conquered!" >100 years pass >"We are the Master Race! Our One God is Almighty and Promised Us the World! Slaughter the Lesser Filth and consume their Empire!"
Like fricking clockwork. There's strong evidence that they literally invented what we in the modern era see as racism and religious hatred basically as a way to keep the sheep in line and justify/pump up their population for genocidal war.
From what I understand, this guy was just the guardian of wishes, right? Like he would dole wishes out to people, but would make sure they didn't wish for something actively harmful or stupid? Is that why he was a villain?
The big falling out the protagonist has with him is that he refuses to grant a wish for her 100 year old grandfather that has waited his entire life for his wish to be granted. The reason why is the grandfather's wish was too vague and could potentially result in something bad happening even though the wish had good intentions.
Supposedly the king is monkeys paw savvy and his ability to grant wishes doesn't allow him to specifically control what happen as a result of them being granted. Really what he should have done was advise his people better on what a good wish is and flat out tell them if they're about to wish for something ungrantable so that their wish isn't wasted.
>Main character gets personally slighted by a well meaning guy. >Moves forward to destroy his life and imprison him in some crystal purgatory prison.
That seems...odd for a Disney movie.
This. Magnifico does not owe mankind anything. He already is implied to have had a bad origin so why should he dedicate his life to granting the wishes of selfish humans? He doesn't owe them a damn thing.
He should have just not granted wishes to anyone and lived alone on the island like Prospero.
he didn't "had to", he did it out of his own good will. He wanted to give people a chance he didn't had. It's called being a good person
Unfortunately decades of entitled person only asking asking and asking left him bitter
>A traumatized guy from a ransacked land travels the world to learn magic and after he marries he goes to a little island to build his kingdom.
Everyone is happy in that prosperous kingdom but there's a rule: Once you're 18, you join one of the monthly ceremonies to give your wish to the king. He may or may not grant it in one of those ceremonies, but since it is part of you, you won't even remember nor miss what you just gave up. (This moronic shit is not really explained).
Then there's this diversity hire, Asha, who has a grandpa who is 100 years old. She goes to a job interview with the king to be his apprentice. She only wants the position to get her family's wishes granted. Magnifico trusts her and thinks she's actually selfless so he shows her his secrets. When she acts greedy (which makes Magnifico have Vietnam flashbacks), he ends up firing her. And the sitiation keeps escalating until he's trapped in the mirror.
That's your evil irredeemable villain right there. Enjoy.
The problem is that Magnifico describes the Wishes himself, they're the purest wish of your heart, the best part of you and your hopes for the future.
And we never see any of the people give them up. So we don't know if they are actively making a choice about what their "Wish" is or if it's just synonymous with a lifelong Dream
But we do know that the guy who recently turned 18 and gave up his Wish became especially lethargic and boring afterwards, and that even he agreed that he seemed like he was missing a part of himself, and older adults seem to have adjusted over time
Like Magnifico could have just seen each Wish, decided if they weren't something he should grant, return them and let people move on.
Hoarding the Wishes so that the people they're taken from are missing a piece of themselves and live in ignorance of what they've lost is dumb
Unless he's actively trying to make a population of easily manipulated contented masses without any strong desire for more, in which case that is kinda villainous
plenty of people in the kingdom had their wishes taken away but looked entirely normal, just look at the crowd where the asian cripple tried to distract Magnifico. It was lazy bums who were depressed. Heck, look at Ashas grandfather, he was an entirely normal person who was even able to get angry and shout at his granddaughter(showing he still had emotions like any other person) and live up 100 years, even having a family of his own that loves him.
But oh noes, the sleepy baker is sleepy!(he looked the same at the end of the movie where every wish was given back)
>The problem is that Magnifico describes the Wishes himself, they're the purest wish of your heart, the best part of you and your hopes for the future. >one guy wishes for a giant chicken and another person's wish is that they have a fricking nanny
That lethargic boring guy is supposed to be the dwarf Sleepy. Did the other guy become alergic after giving his wish? Or the short one become grumpy after giving his?
That's not the point, though. You can't attribute being lethargic to the wish thing because being sleepy is his whole character. He's supposed to be Sleepy the dwarf. Same with the short one being Grumpy or the black girl bein Happy.
Except the entire climax is that they can get new wishes at any time as long as they truly want them, meaning Magnifico can not be culpable for any of their problems.
Also please note that Magnifico build his kingdom, and is significantly younger than grandpa, so grandpa had well over half a decade to make his wish come through, but failed.
This is an old man, who made the wish in his late 50's at the absolute earliest, who then outlived both his wife and his son, and still moped about his wish not getting picked out every goddamn month during the wish ceremony!
>Asha specifically asks him to return the wishes he isn't going to grant anyways
Alright, let's say he does. What happens next?
>People try to grant their wishes on their own >Most of these people either try (and fail), or don't (because the wish wasn't something they could do for themselves in the first place, hence their bringing it to a wizard in the first place) >Most of these people are going to be unhappy, and most of that majority are going to turn that bitterness towards (a) the lucky few who do get their wishes granted, (b) Magnifico himself, or (c) both
It might not happen right away, but all that envy and bitterness is going to to build and build until eventually the hour produces the man who says, "Hey, there's one of him and (x) of us- let's just make him grant our wishes!"
Basically Magnifico was right to be cautious of wishes that could cause trouble, Asha lost her shit way too quickly and turned full rebel in the span of five minutes and wanted to overturn the King's rule. Meanwhile the king got nervous and started loosing it because he thought people were planning to overturn his rule....which was actually happening so he was not wrong to be nervous of it.
The plot just required that there be a villain and the people just out of nowhere turn on him and rebel against him for totally unseen reasons. They just sort of did. Just like Magnifico just sort of turned evil out of nowhere.
[...]
Everyone learned that all of humanity is magic too. And there is a big giant library of magic books in the castle up on the hill. So probably yeah, it might be a nation of reality warpers.
The movie gives every example why wizards typically do not bother with altruism or helping others at all in the first place. It's not worth it. Even if they have nothing but good intentions, some butthole might show up and frick it all up any damn way because they never got what they wanted.
There was an old 90s era pc game that played out like that. Apprentice to a wizard would sneak around and check out the spell books, gather ingredients and frick with the wand each time the wizard was asleep or gone from the tower. If you were caught he turned you into a frog or killed you.
i remember a flash game like that except less dying and more glaring at you
>hey kiddo you can live in paradaise for free your welcome >just don't go full moron and ruin it for every body ok >no one frickings tells me what to do frick you and everybody
i can tell your skin color anon
really because that sounds like dumb roastie its never my fault behavior to me
It’s like the fricking garden all over again
What movie? This sounds like an intresting conversation
Idk even hate Wish it has talking about shit for a change
Are you fricking stupid?
Nta, but what the frick do you think "the garden" means? >What movie?
have a nice day.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Muh garden
Fricking dipshit do you know how many movies books and comic there are about garden
You should have this is like Eden all over again
You worthless wienersucking subhuman
This
Anon showed there were so many garden movies and all these morons are seething like b***hes
[...] >moron upset he was b***hed the frick out here >dont post any more proof im a moronic shit stain.
No
>scenario is about woman fricking up a paradis >mention garden >doesn’t understand
Could you not have picked it up through context clues?
why don't you relax and take a nap anon? if you haven't shitted on the bed while chimping out i mean
5 months ago
Anonymous
he keeps going on about a " garden MOVIE" lmao
anon i get it you're atheist but c'mon it's general culture
5 months ago
Anonymous
why don't you relax and take a nap anon? if you haven't shitted on the bed while chimping out i mean
5 months ago
Anonymous
>scenario is about woman fricking up a paradis >mention garden >doesn’t understand
Could you not have picked it up through context clues?
>moron upset he was b***hed the frick out here >dont post any more proof im a moronic shit stain.
No
5 months ago
Anonymous
Stop chimping the frick out, being wrong is fine but there’s no need to be a homosexual about it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>stop pointing out i'm a moron with all your proof
I thought i told you no. Stupid fricks like you who jump on a bandwagon you know nothing about deserve it
5 months ago
Anonymous
1. I’m the anon that posted the garden comment
2. I did it because the comment I replied to put forth a scenario that was similar to the garden of Eden. If you can’t use context to piece that together then you either don’t know the Bible or have something wrong with your head.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Thats like saying every david is talking about the king of israelites
Thats moronic logic and you're moronic for using said logic and you've even bigger moron for expecting people to humour your moronation.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Here is the comment
>hey kiddo you can live in paradaise for free your welcome >just don't go full moron and ruin it for every body ok >no one frickings tells me what to do frick you and everybody
i can tell your skin color anon
what he said is pretty much a paraphrased version of what god said to Adam and Eve. Also can you think of another scenario that isn’t aping the story of Genesis?
5 months ago
Anonymous
he keeps going on about a " garden MOVIE" lmao
anon i get it you're atheist but c'mon it's general culture
>why are you talking about cartoon >you should talk about religion
None of that shit happened in the Garden of Eden they were specifically told not eat the fruit of good and evil because if they eat it they will die
The threat of death was what was given not the threat of being kicked out of paradise and everybody else amounted to two people Adam and Eve
Thats not so much paraphrased as you just not having read the bible and instead just knowing the conclusion of the story. > that isn’t aping the story of Genesis?
quite a bit its not exactly an uncommon theme there are many themes of being forced to leave paradise
5 months ago
Anonymous
just what do you think happened in the kingdom of Rosas after ?
it ended up in the hands of a b***h so nasty that put his husband on something worst than death for eternity (and probably sold it to some witch)
do you really belive that b***h gonna be good with the people
its literally the coup that Magnifico tried to stop from the loose wish of Asha's grandpa
the peole who had a good life and some whisheds granted are gonna be fricked over all thanks to two b***hes
5 months ago
Anonymous
For someone else i assume? Because that has nothing to do with what i said
5 months ago
Anonymous
Considering that she fricked all of humanity out of paradise in continuity, yeah I'd say everybody. Also if you do know the Bible why couldn't you pick up the context of what I was talking about? because despite saying its not uncommon you have yet to give an example.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>scenario is about woman fricking up a paradis >mention garden >doesn’t understand
Could you not have picked it up through context clues?
>A traumatized guy from a ransacked land travels the world to learn magic and after he marries he goes to a little island to build his kingdom.
Everyone is happy in that prosperous kingdom but there's a rule: Once you're 18, you join one of the monthly ceremonies to give your wish to the king. He may or may not grant it in one of those ceremonies, but since it is part of you, you won't even remember nor miss what you just gave up. (This moronic shit is not really explained).
Then there's this diversity hire, Asha, who has a grandpa who is 100 years old. She goes to a job interview with the king to be his apprentice. She only wants the position to get her family's wishes granted. Magnifico trusts her and thinks she's actually selfless so he shows her his secrets. When she acts greedy (which makes Magnifico have Vietnam flashbacks), he ends up firing her. And the sitiation keeps escalating until he's trapped in the mirror.
That's your evil irredeemable villain right there. Enjoy.
>be the apprentice to the wish-granting wizard
So she was going to learn to grant wishes too? Why the frick didn't she wait a bit to grant granddad's wish herself
Come to think of it - does being his apprentice and learning wish magic make her the next in line to the throne? Why wouldn't that be reserved for his children - he's married surely they plan on having kids.
It actually says something about Magnifico's character he's perfectly fine letting one of the common folks get the chance to learn what he knows - seems to kind of counter the alleged narcissistic/power-hungry personality he's supposed to have.
That was addressed in the movie too, Magnifico said apprentices usually wait a year or two before asking for wishes. She asked in the first ten minutes.
>to give your wish to the king
Do they explain what this means in detail that makes them so valuable? It doesn't seem like outside of the king's magic, there are any other avenues to having it granted. Unless "wishes" in this universe are some kind of intrinsic personal thing like a cutie mark
The end of the movie makes it very clear that those wishes they gave to the king are worthless. Anyone could have had another wish but their lives were so comfy in the kingdom, they never had the need to wish for something else. Also, we're all made of stars and could do magic all along...
So the moral of the story is: Everyone was moronic except for Magnifico.
Wishes are apparently a part of your very soul, but most of them are honestly pretty dumb or pedestrian (wanting to fly, being a great baker, becoming a brave castle guard), but everybody knows this and they have no problem giving them away in hopes that Magnifico grants them their wish one day. As many critics pointed out, Wish spends so much time explaining the mechanics of wish-granting that it muddles the intended message and ultimately makes it unclear why any of it is supposed to be an issue.
No, not really. He knows his wish hasn't been granted yet, but he doesn't remember what was his wish when he gave it up. And he gets really angry when Asha tries to tell him because he thinks there's no point knowing if it won't get granted.
>He knows his wish hasn't been granted yet
Isn't that contradictory? How does he know that his wish was not fulfilled if he doesn't even know what his wish is?
No, cos you remember giving something to the king but never getting anything back or being chosen in a ceremony to hace your wish granted. It's not a lobotomy.
>Why does Frozen shill Anna so hard? >Elsa carries the franchise
Why are you asking such an incredibly stupid question? Anna barely has her own merchandise, it's Elsa who does. Are you blind? How exactly are they shilling Anna? If you saying that it's making her queen, it's not a promotion since she is just getting Elsa's leftovers.
At the climax of the film, they literally reclaim their power to make wishes because they found out they could do it all along. Everyone stayed in Rosas voluntarily because of their own obsession with what they gave up through their own desire for a shortcut. They didn't have to live in Rosas.
Magnifico's biggest flaw was being overly cautious to avoid disaster, but he was right about vague wishes potentially causing danger.
>they found out they could do it all along.
Through time, hard work and passion, right?
There isn't just a kingdom of reality warpers given full moral authority to make 100% of their whims come true, right?
Right?
tbh assuming in the Wish universe anyone can study and use magic, then I don't see why it's not possible. Magnifico is probably not the only savant sorcerer, or guy with access to magic items. Asha was given a magic wand that can grant wishes at the end of the film, after all.
She became the fairy godmother. She's literally Magnifico but worse.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You don't get it, anon. Asha gets a free pass because she proved herself and has pure intentions, which is totally something that meanie weenie Magnifico didn't do.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Magnifico had nothing but pure intentions. And he didn't let people remember that their dreams were hopeless.
so asha made a pedophile's dream come true to never grow old and kidnap other children to take them to a secret island no one but him know how to enter and exit.
Do you think the queen from snow white is the queen from wish? she is the only one who knows about the mirror and kept him as a slave
Basically Magnifico was right to be cautious of wishes that could cause trouble, Asha lost her shit way too quickly and turned full rebel in the span of five minutes and wanted to overturn the King's rule. Meanwhile the king got nervous and started loosing it because he thought people were planning to overturn his rule....which was actually happening so he was not wrong to be nervous of it.
The plot just required that there be a villain and the people just out of nowhere turn on him and rebel against him for totally unseen reasons. They just sort of did. Just like Magnifico just sort of turned evil out of nowhere.
>they found out they could do it all along.
Through time, hard work and passion, right?
There isn't just a kingdom of reality warpers given full moral authority to make 100% of their whims come true, right?
Right?
Everyone learned that all of humanity is magic too. And there is a big giant library of magic books in the castle up on the hill. So probably yeah, it might be a nation of reality warpers.
He made a kingdom on an island, forced no one to come, but welcomed all, made the nation prosperous and thus people's lives good, AND he granted miracles every month! For a king, he was pretty much as amazing as you could get!
Definitely one of the worst. It just get worse the more you think about it.
The only reason it's not bottom of the barrel is Ralph Breaks the Internet exists. As bad as this film is I'd still take it over that.
Agreed, RBTI is in a class of it's own. It's a jumbled mess of scenes overlayed with a 'men are inherently evil and just want to control women' message.
Totally destroying everything built up in the first movie.
>I want to make art that inspires someone >doesn't do anything in 90 years
what fricking vague ass wish is that and these people still know what their wish is but just don't?
So the reasoning is: If you do good things but you still are a flawed person FRICK YOU!
Look at pic related: That's Autolycus, king of thieves from the Hercules and the Xena series. He's a liar, a thief and he's selfish and a narcissist. And people still love him because he manages to do good deeds like a chaotic Robin Hood.
Nobody is ignoring any flaws. But people will always appreciate a flawed good person because that's realistic, that's human.
>So the reasoning is: If you do good things but you still are a flawed person FRICK YOU!
This is how the Twitter camp functions. Someone can do everything right but the absolute second they have a viewpoint that is not perfectly lock step with the approved norm....frick you take them down NOW! No forgiveness, destroy them!
It’s not just twatter homosexuals see someone doing something good or cool and that makes them feel bad. So they get extremely butthurt and start to resent the person. They start feverishly looking and examining every little action until they come across something they can use against them/justify their hate and run with it. It reminds me of that shit with Mr. Beast where all those people got pissy that he helped those blind people.
What you're describing is called nuance. People who make western animation don't get that anymore. You're either a 1 or a 0 and they don't get its a slider.
IIRC they said the pages attract vandals and racists, not that the work itself is as hateful as Mein Kampf and Birth of a Nation.
That said, the site is still full of moronic manchildren.
Don't let the one authority decide for you what's right and wrong. Don't give up your hopes and dreams to authority figures. Pursue them by your own hard work.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If that is the intended message the film utterly fails
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why, did you not feel that from the film?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Pursue them by your own hard work.
And also with the help of the new fairy godmother who has a superpower that makes your wishes come true
>Disney: since people are tired of our twist villains or no villains at all, we are going back to making true evil villains! >proceeds to make one of the most sympathetic and understandable villain they’ve ever done
This is honestly the one time where the bad guy getting a redemption at the end would actually be good writing and makes sense, how did Disney manage to drop the ball again.
Their idea of a bad guy is someone who could give you what you want but doesn't. It was never anything you owned or was owed to you but he has it and you don't so if he doesn't hand it over he's bad. There's a reason for the fixation on generational trauma before this. These writers are toddlers. It was never the subject matter, it was always them. They never grew up.
Did you guys miss the part that he's paranoid from his past trauma, so he's withholding people's vague wishes instead of giving them back, just in case they threaten his authority? Or are you just deliberately being contrarian?
>withholding people's vague wishes
Have you never seen media that involves wishes or genies or anything like that? Those wishes are probably the most dangerous given that they could be interpreted as almost anything. For example let’s say I wish to be a star, now I meant I wanted to be famous, but it’s interpreted as me wanting to be a literal Star. So I become a massive ball of flaming gas and radiation that destroys the earth killing everything and everyone.
Did you see the film? Giving people's wishes back doesn't mean that the wishes come true. It just means that people regain their drive and purpose in life, instead of passively waiting for the king to be generous and grant them their wish.
Did you miss the part of my reply where is said granted wishes? Or are you trying to deflect because your argument is predicated on the fact that him not granting peoples vague wishes is a bad thing.
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You're the one responding to me saying >withholding people's vague wishes instead of giving them back
I wasn't talking about granting wishes.
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>No bro I wasn’t talking about him not granting the wishes
Why are you like this? Why do you insist on trying to defend some shitty b-tier (at most) Disney movie by trying to make an antagonist that in literally anything else would be at most tragic and normally a victim?
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How is he a victim? He's an authority figure saying he knows better than anyone and unilaterally reserves the right to determine who will get their wish granted, and who will forget what their wish is.
You're the one jumping through the hoops to somehow say that a fricking children's cartoon villain designated to be a villain is not a villain just because.
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He’s only a villain if you’re a spoiled brat that can’t understand why you don’t get what you want when you want it. I already gave you a scenario showing how vague wishes can frick people up and destroy shit. So either you’re purposely acting obtuse to argue or you’re just shitposting.
5 months ago
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I agree that he's not obligated to grant everyone's wishes.
Do you agree that he's evil for making people think that he's going to grant their wishes, but instead keeps their wishes locked up forever, so that people never know what their wish is?
5 months ago
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If they forget it how is it that Asha’s grandpa and other people have the same wish year after year?
5 months ago
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Okay. You didn't watch the film. Congratulations, you've successfully wasted my time and your time. Have a nice day.
5 months ago
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>abandons the argument at the first opportunity >tries to act smug so it doesn’t look like he’s running with his tail between his legs
Predictable.
5 months ago
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*Timewasting. Not an arguement.
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It’s funny, if I was wrong you would have used my lack of knowledge and turned it to your advantage to win the argument. You must not have any confidence in what you’re arguing. Since if you did you wouldn’t have tried to end this when a clear advantage showed up.
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Alright. I don't care about winning an "argument" about what happens in a film against an Internet stranger who didn't watch it, but you seem to want to talk. I'm feeling particularly generous this evening. I'll explain the film. People give their wishes to the king, and when they do, they forget what their wish is. The wish is locked up. Periodically, the king goes to the vault and picks and chooses which one he grants. But in one instance, a wish is "to inspire the next generation," and he considers it too dangerous, because of its vagueness, it could "inspire" people to overthrow him. So he will never grant that wish. People don't know he picks and chooses like that.
The people, without knowledge of their greatest wish, don't work towards achieving their wish, and some even feel empty. They just live hoping that the king grants their wish someday.
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The film is about liberating those wishes so that people rediscover their passion in life. The epilogue shows people working towards their wish instead of sitting around and waiting for the king to magic it up into reality.
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Different anon here. Haven't seen the film yet, but that sounds like it is more of a people-issue, rather than something evil that Magnifico is doing. Sure, it's shitty that he isn't straightforward with how he deliberates which wish to grant- but they gave their wishes to him willingly, right? He doesn't owe them anything to begin with. It makes perfect sense for him to not grant vague or possibly dangerous wishes.
5 months ago
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I forgot to say Asha specifically asks him to return the wishes he isn't going to grant anyways, and he flatly refuses, because he doesn't want people to have ideas that might threaten his rule. That's when Asha turns against him.
5 months ago
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Ah, I see. I can understand the vilification now. I'm not sure if I agree with the writer's reasoning, but I haven't seen the film yet so I can't say for sure.
5 months ago
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Whats the point of you discussing the plot of the film then?
5 months ago
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Just chewin the fat, my man. That's all.
5 months ago
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>Asha specifically asks him to return the wishes he isn't going to grant anyways
Alright, let's say he does. What happens next?
>People try to grant their wishes on their own >Most of these people either try (and fail), or don't (because the wish wasn't something they could do for themselves in the first place, hence their bringing it to a wizard in the first place) >Most of these people are going to be unhappy, and most of that majority are going to turn that bitterness towards (a) the lucky few who do get their wishes granted, (b) Magnifico himself, or (c) both
It might not happen right away, but all that envy and bitterness is going to to build and build until eventually the hour produces the man who says, "Hey, there's one of him and (x) of us- let's just make him grant our wishes!"
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1. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t have kept going, let alone typed all of this out.
2. That wish is extremely fricking dangerous given that it could inspire them to do all kinds of fricked up shit. John Hinkley Jr. Was “inspired to kill Reagan after watching Taxi Driver. So someone being inspired isn’t something that should immediately be seen as good nor should preventing it be seen as bad.
3. Yeah that makes sense realistically he doesn’t do anything wrong aside from not grant people their wishes which is only bad if you’re a spoiled child.
4.If the wish was something that they could work towards or do on their own they wouldn’t have to resort to magic, and if someone feels empty without some vague wish then they weren’t really much to begin with.
5 months ago
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I forgot to say Asha specifically asks him to return the wishes he isn't going to grant anyways, and he flatly refuses, because he doesn't want people to have ideas that might threaten his rule. That's when Asha turns against him.
5 months ago
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So he should just let people do shit that could depose him because someone is too lazy to work for what they want? Also this only covers one of my points.
5 months ago
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Honestly at this point you all are sounding like pro-censorship dictators like Kim Jong Un
5 months ago
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I've explained the film for you, I'm not arguing with you.
If you like dictators deciding what ideas people have, that's on you.
It’s sounds like you still can’t argue and instead are trying to make this a moral dilemma by bringing in irl politics out of desperation. Even though I explained how he wasn’t evil and that him doing what he’s does isn’t wrong, and all you’ve given for a counter is this strawman. Is this going to be your go to that you’ll repeat over and over hoping it will hide that you have yet to refute what I’ve said? Or is this you’re attempt at trying to run again?
5 months ago
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>Movie about country's dictator acting like a dictator >Y BRIN UP POLITCS????
kys moron
5 months ago
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>not granting peoples wishes is the same as running generation prison camp
Why are you getting so upset I thought you didn’t care?
5 months ago
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Im not going to argue up and down the contents of a movie with someone who obviously doesnt even know what happened in the movie.
5 months ago
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You already tried saying this and you even explained what happens so I do know. If you didn’t care you would stop, if you actually had confidence in any of your arguments you wouldn’t abandon them to do this shit.
5 months ago
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Ok so if you know what happened explain to me what the villain told Aisha about her grandfather's wish and what was the wish.
5 months ago
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That he took the wish and he forgot and that it was to inspire the next generation. Unless you lied about that, but why would you? Why wouldn’t you be upfront about what happens in the movie?
5 months ago
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I said what was the villains explanation for keeping the wish, read.
5 months ago
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Yeah I did, that was what you said, unless of course you left that out, but again why would you?
5 months ago
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sigh
Im not going to argue up and down the contents of a movie with someone who obviously doesnt even know what happened in the movie.
goodbye
5 months ago
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You’ve done this four times now and every time you come back more desperate than the last. You’ve given nothing that actually proves me wrong and are once again trying to run away with the flimsiest excuse. It’s especially shitty here given that was what you said, unless you are lying in which case you trying to run makes sense.
5 months ago
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I've explained the film for you, I'm not arguing with you.
If you like dictators deciding what ideas people have, that's on you.
5 months ago
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>Do you agree that he's evil for making people think that he's going to grant their wishes
Everyone in the kingdom consents to it despite knowing he typically grants one wish a month in a kingdom with thousands of people so the odds of getting your personal wish picked are near 0.
5 months ago
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They don't know that he picks wishes according to what his paranoia tells him might threaten his authority. Asha freaks out when she finds out.
5 months ago
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>his paranoia
Its not paranoia when Asha literally pulls that fricking garbage
5 months ago
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>Do you agree that he's evil for making people think that he's going to grant their wishes
Well in this scenario do you think thats evil? >I want to marry my friends wife >Wow okay i mean what are we talking about here should the wish kill him, should she just magically want to divorce him >what about all those years they had together is she just supposed to forget about him? Shes not going to magically fall in love with you even if she divorces him >you know what imma take away this wish and now you'll never to think about fricking over your friend or literally fricking his wife ever again
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That is sort of the problem with Asha, she comes off as a spoiled little shit that wants and will frick over the whole system if she is ever told no. She went from loyal apprentice to revolutionary taking down the system in about three minutes. And Magnifico pointed out how she really jumped to demanding her own wish be granted almost instantly, while every other apprentice waits a few months to a year.
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You actually pinpoint the second when his heart rips in half
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This point right here, this is where she lost the gig.
A cleverer person would have taken the job and then snuk around in the magic books to find some way to grant the wish themselves in their own time.
5 months ago
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Wait… is the fricking mouse smarter than her?
5 months ago
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>unilaterally reserves the right to
Because it's his fricking power. You don't have the right to force a wizard to use his magic to accomplish your goals. Either work your ass off or stop fricking b***hing.
5 months ago
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As king he has that authority, before we get around to the wizard part. He knows what is best for the nation because he is the sovereign that founded that nation himself. He is more aware and more fit to make these kinds of decisions than some heir who was born into his position.
5 months ago
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Nobody is "defending" this movie, its just annoying how people spam this moronic opinion because they were too dumb to understand a shitty baby movie
5 months ago
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How is it moronic? Because you disagree? Because you feel the need to suck the wiener of your favorite corporation and get absurdly mad when people criticize the moronic writing?
5 months ago
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no because its moronic, hope that helps
5 months ago
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>it’s moronic because… IT JUST IS
wow this is the first time I’ve seen someone legitimately use this as an answer.
The wishes were GIVEN to him, it was part of a deal. And they can make new wishes any day now, but are way too lazy and/or entitled(depending on the person) to do it >Oh no, I lost the lottery for the past 50 years, now they have to pay me back all those lottery tickets I bought!
Plus him being paranoid was entirely justified, the moment he gave his citizens some of his time, they became entirely entitled and maniac, with even the assistant hire(who was recommended by his queen of all people) just wanted the job to get some nepotism benefits.
Not to mention that he once lost everything as a kid and clearly has an unresolved trauma about it, which makes him extra anxious and suspicious. People who compare him to Encanto's grandma are actually on to something.
What pisses me off about Magnifico is his shitty wife had that item that stopped evil corruptions and she allowed her husband to get corrupt and ousted from the throne because SHE wants to pretend to be noble. Disgusting shit. Hope Disney's gynocentrism bankrupts them.
>He committed the worst crime of all. He's a male character in a israeli funded Feminist media. So he's doomed. The israelites are proving that they deserve to be killed into extinction and women don't deserve rights. Over a hundred years of israeli funded feminism and all it has brought to the United States is rot and decay.
You know, Magnifico is kind of like Disney if you replace "granting wishes" with "greenlighting ideas".
But Disney is kind of worse since instead of just turning down wishes/ideas they will take them and turn them into something different that they think will benefit them more.
Honestly having the villain do that would have been a lot more interesting, but maybe too on-the-nose, eh?
Genie/monkey paw is more granting the wish in an ironic way that hurts the person making the wish.
What I'm proposing is him twisting the wishes to his benefit. Something like
>I wish I could inspire others! >Great! You're the new general of my army, inspiring thousands to join and serve me!
>I wish I was rich! >Here's your pile of money! Of course, you're in charge of loaning some of it to the people of the city when they need it. I'll be getting half of the interest payments.
After listening to "DIS IS DE TANKS I GET?" a few times and seeing the sequence in the camrip I think I actually could like the song, but Chris Pine's voice doesn't fit it at all. That horrendous autotune every time he does the title drop is also distracting (which is an odd choice because we know Pine can sing and he belts more intense lines without that filter). I can envision it sounding great in a different language's dub.
My must you hurt me more with things that cannot be. The fricking starblob dancing around makes it so much worse. I trust that there will be animatics of this at least.
Surpised no one has called out Disney for literally ripping off Luma. I’m honestly convinced they changed it up last minute because of the Mario Bros movie.
Some critics have, but it’s such minor detail compared to all the real problems the movie has that it’s not really worth dwelling on. >currently 29% on RT among top critics
It’s so over.
So let me get this straight. Magnifico is defeated by people just wishing him gone really hard? Just straight up, literal Wishing Energy takes him out and puts him in the mirror? Just like that?
Yep. Magnifico is evil and irredeemable because he kept all those wishes, but turns out anyone could still have wishes because we're all stardust, so nothing was lost except Magnifico's sanity.
No man who's just
Could ever trust
A man that triggers such disgust
His selfish caution give me such a chill
So let us pray that one fine day
That evil man will go away
'Cause if we want it bad enough he will!
For if you
Wish a little harder
You'll get what you desire
Wish a little harder
When things are looking dire
If you wish a little harder
Success is guaranteeeeeeed!
If you are sure of your intention
Some magic intervention
Will give you the edge that you need!
>he gave a woman a chance
this is actully a fable with a moral, where you discover muslims like Magnifico where right about stripping women from everything and make them like pets if you want happyness to last
it's just not a racist by rubbing salt on the muslim-spain history, it actually validates them making women the bad guys, this movie goes so wokes it gives the full 180° and turns in the opposite
It isn't in Spain. They dropped that angle early on because of blowback. Magnifico is an atheist wizardman and Rosas is an areligious, cultureless void.
The setting comes off as some kind of fantasy Dominica at best with the total hodge podge mix of all races but it's largely Spanish flavored west African peoples. But the buildings are really nice looking.
>The king has good intentions! The end justifies the means! Just let him police your thoughts!
Bravo Cinemaphile.
Don't question authority. Be grateful. Let them decide for you what's good and what's bad.
No, you need to rely on the king because he owes you and you deserve it because you’re a super special and good person that deserves nice things and if anyone tries to deny you just get rid of them.
If the movie offered one single example of someone having accomplished their goals without magic and achieved personal satisfaction, it would color the entire populace who rise against Magnifico as lazy, selfish idiots looking for a shortcut who then get pissed when a gamble they agreed to didn't go their way.
Good thing there isn't one and that takeaway is impossible to pick up.
People can make their own wishes come true in real life without magic, and the movie doesn't give us reason to belive it's not the same for them. It shouldn't need to show us someone putting in the effort to prove you can put in the effort, it needs to show us putting in the effort doesn't work instead to prove you can't.
Also, you're apparently not counting the evil queen usurping magnifico as "getting her wish without magnifico's power".
>it would color the entire populace who rise against Magnifico as lazy, selfish idiots looking for a shortcut who then get pissed when a gamble they agreed to didn't go their way.
No it wouldn't. They would treat getting their wish immediately granted like how people treat winning a lot of money from the lottery or casino. As a huge fricking win. This is why the issue with Magnifco is apart of a much larger issue Disney has had for a long time when it comes to them writing traditional villains in their movies since Frozen. Their motivations just don't make any fricking sense (Hans not killing Elsa when he had the chance. Ralph turning into a man-child. The chick from Raya shooting the LAST DRAGON even though she's a HUGE dragon nerd.)
uhhh chud that was because of the evil book
Why didnt they wish him to turn good if they were afraid he was still evil?
Why did they trap him in a mirror and turn him into a slave
Bravo chud we should turn a man of color into a slave the moment we dont get our way.
Stunning and brave
>Don't question authority.
question what?
There are no taxes, public health is at its best, people can live 100 years, there is no crime and you are not forced to participate in anything.
It is literally the perfect society, a utopia.
Just don't go to HIS island if you don't like his rules. Of course he had good intentions, but his trauma made him extremely paranoid and when he could find an explanation for the star's effect on his magic, he panicked and ended up corrupted by the evil book.
>hey kiddo you can live in paradaise for free your welcome >just don't go full moron and ruin it for every body ok >no one frickings tells me what to do frick you and everybody
i can tell your skin color anon
Feels like this has become the new trick to get around ESG bullshit >we have to have a minority lead for goybux, but she’s not marketable as a result >quick, make the bad guy “literally me” and muddy the plot
>quick, make the bad guy “literally me” and muddy the plot
Occam's razor says the morality on display in this children's movie is there because its the morality in the hearts of the people who made it. Pretending its some kind of conspiracy is insane, Disney has tanked the value of its two most valuable IPs in the last 5 years. The people above those creatives are either fine with it or in complete denial over this obvious pattern.
Wait, this movie is already out? I didn't get any ads or anything, did it come out with no marketing like that one other movie with the family in another world or something like that?
>We could have had a sexy charming redeemable villian >Who ends up being Asha's love interest >Billions of teenage girls of all races will be lusting over him, writing fanfiction, drawing fanart of this pairing and buying all the merch >Disney shoot themselves in the dick
Majority of girls still do love boy+girl romance and still dreaming of handsome king/prince
He shouldn't have been the love interest, his wife, the queen, should have been in cahoots with him and they both get reformed. But he and Asha could still have good chemistry even if it doesn't go anywhere.
Magnifico did nothing wrong >but he takes away peoples desires, even when he doesn't grant them!
All done voluntarily, bare minimum for this making him a villain would be if he forced the people to give them up by force or threat of expulsion but that was never the case. You can't even argue he tricked the people into doing it given that they know people changed after the ceremony yet none them were afraid of attempting to have their wish granted, let alone refuse to do it if they had the opportunity.
>but he picked and chose the wishes he granted
No shit, it's his powers he can do what he wants with them. He was also shown to very careful to ensure nobody would get hurt from the wishes he granted.
Not granting wishes that would endanger himself is also his right, just like the miranda declaration states that accused has the right to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination
>he was keeping people from realizing their wishes with their own power
Never stated to be his goal, nor would it be even if it were. If everyone gets theirs wish magically granted the world is gonna devolve into anarchy real soon, there's no law that could be enforced without a literal thought police to make sure nobody would have a disastrous wish.
>Disney tries to come up with morally gray antagonists >Writes irredeemable scumbags >Disney tries to write a "traditional villain" >Comes up with a guy who's only serious offence was committed during an act of desperation during a revolt
Thank you and God if this is true. Well frick no wonder he has so many threads. Really seems like a typical modern writer story so obsessed with making your mc perfect/right you lose sight of the fact they are so fundamentally wrong or just given a deus ex machina to win. Why would magnefico not know about second wish and why do they always betray the reliable hero for some rando or unknowable person.
I swear that one idea I saw of Magnifico being used by a second star that grants wishes but inevitably monkey paws them while keeping him under his thumb by threatening to take away everything he gained sounded better than this.
Why do you think he wasn't granting the sleepy guy's wish? You think making a big guy like him a loyal knight would be a pretty good wish for the kingdom.
Can a wish magically change your character and not just your circumstances? Magnifico himself states he holds onto wishes to filter out people who are too lazy to earn them on their own. Sleepy didn't wish to be more knightly, he just wished to be a knight
The wife is what gets me the most. Sure, the rest of the plot can be demented in its message and whatnot, but it would have costed them nothing to just giver her sorrowful face as she condemns her lost husband to eternal imprisonment. What the frick were they smoking when they decided to make her completely unsympathetic and downright smug about it?
All they need to fix it is a post credits scene where she lets him out and smugly goes "Calmed down?" Still b***hy and "empowered" but not fricking evil.
Makes kingdom everyone is happy, tries to grant as many wishes as you can. Women conspire against you and ruin it. What did they mean by this?
The wife is what gets me the most. Sure, the rest of the plot can be demented in its message and whatnot, but it would have costed them nothing to just giver her sorrowful face as she condemns her lost husband to eternal imprisonment. What the frick were they smoking when they decided to make her completely unsympathetic and downright smug about it?
That we're supposed to see him as the villain and the queen as a hero is batshit insane. What kind of nepotistic Calibubble must you be in to look at this and think it's okay? >inb4 Disney
Okay why are the guys doing the big budget animated films afraid of doing a straight up bad guy since 2012 and the guys working on TV shows meant for people watching a channel on the dying medium called tellyvision able to do them on the regular?
Animated films would have a fairly decent number of villains if you allowed yourself to count twist villains. The thing is when writing a film it's just too tempting to incorporate twist villains into the narrative as they make for dramatic third acts.
Funny thing is when pixar started the trend of twist villains way back with monsters inc. and toy story 2 they already showed the answer to this which was to have both a traditional villain and a twist villain at the same time. This not only allows for the best of both worlds but actually helps to make the villain twist less obvious because the audience suddenly isn't looking for a twist villain but the story already has one. It's weird how that trick has been completely forgotten.
You joke but it make sense
All these wishes means at least one has to contradict with the other
Without a person making sure to keep all the wishes in line the people run rampant
Now that all wishes are getting granted in order to make sure they don't clash and cause chaos, reality is fractured into multiverses >a universe where peter pan can be young and fly >a universe where talking animals can create an entire city without humans
>All these wishes means at least one has to contradict with the other
I was thinking this would eventually happen with Ashas new magic rule
something like this: >Stalker: Hey Asha, I wish for my pretty Neighbor to fall in love with me! >Asha: What? I can't brainwash people! >Neighbor: What the frick, I wish for that creepy stalker to die! >Asha: I can't do that either, I won't kill anyone! >People: I thought you were going to grant peoples wishes, unlike the king!
>Creates entire kingdom where people can live there for free >Only grants wishes that will benefit the kingdom and its people >Doesn't even have to >Just does it out of goodwill >Refuses to cast wishes that are to vague >This makes him the bad guy
I have never sided with a villain so much in my life. https://streamable.com/pz66vq
I like how one critic pointed out that even his villain song doesn’t sound very villainish. >This action is all set to music of the generically inspiring Disney variety, the best of the bunch being "This Is the Thanks I Get?!" which is sung by Pine and could become an anthem for overworked, underappreciated moms everywhere.
I'm still convinced that until pretty late in production they were gonna do a gotcha by setting up Magnifico as the antagonist in previews only to reveal that the Queen is the evil one.
The Magic Mirror wasn't evil, he was enslaved by the Evil Queen.
Wouldn't be the first time they did something like this. There was also a book where they made the Magic Mirror the Evil Queen's abusive father, and therefore the real villain of the story.
It's like they saw that one Cracked video and took it as gospel.
You make a wish and give it to the king when you turn 18.
The king takes the wish and this makes you forget what it was but remember that you made a wish.
He chooses which wishes to grant with some he deems too dangerous or vague to grant. He keeps the wishes safe regardless but doesn't give them back.
Giving the wish away may or may not affect a person's personality. Asha's friend who gives away a wish supposedly got drowsier and 'boring' afterwards but most of the people in the city don't seem to be affected the same way.
It's pretty messy.
She saw the wish first hand while being the Kings apprentice.(the wishes materialize as blue orbs with recordings of the wish in them)
Dude, just watch the movie if you want to question every little thing
>Asha's friend who gives away a wish supposedly got drowsier and 'boring' afterwards
also he didn't look any different at the end of the movie when he got reunited with his face
>Asha's friend who gives away a wish supposedly got drowsier and 'boring' afterwards
also he didn't look any different at the end of the movie when he got reunited with his face
Yeah, that's BS. He's supposed to be Sleepy, the dwarf from SnowWhite. He was always going to look tired. It was Grumpy who threw that boring line and he's an butthole to everybody.
You can review the movie without mentioning the goat once and it changes nothing. It's completely irrelevant.
Also, they didn't even bother to do the eyes right. That shit pisses me off coming from a studio that sent people to Africa to study the animals for their movie.
>That shit pisses me off coming from a studio that sent people to Africa to study the animals for their movie.
lol apparently that gained knowledge wasn't used all that much
Yeah I don't think this clearly repurposed romantic duet works at all in the new context of singing to a bunch of glowy balls while mostly standing still. It feels a bit better when Asha is running towards her beloved Grandpappy's wish but for the other 99% of the song where they're singing towards a bunch of randos it falls flat.
He's not some pussy-ass b***h who needs some mysterious omnipotent power to grant him what he wants. He didn't wish he knew magic, he fricking traveled the world to learn that shit. He didn't wish to have a kingdom, he built it himself.
because walt was a business man and not the creative “dreamer” type. He knows what’s best for his kingdom and he’s just a conduit. Those peasants would burn all the money and if they had their way!
Star Wars and marvel are in good hands. Anyone who says otherwise are ashapilled. Simple as
All that snark, but you are just going for the extreme opposite of what the movie was unironically saying.
From the moment they gave him a tragic backstory that explained his actions, he shouldn't end up being treated the same way like the classic disney villains
you know >usurper that wished for a princess to be his sex slave >usurper and a brother murderer that convinced his nephew he was responsible for his father's death >evil sorceress putting a death curse on a baby for not being invited to her birthday party
Even at his worst, when he was possessed, he didn't become this vile.
She only wanted some special treatment. Was that too much to ask?
I would argue the Queen is. She sends Asha to the King, she participates in the rebellion, she has a way of reading the evil magic book, but doesn't tell her husband, places the shard with Magnifico into the dungeons, and takes over as the sole ruler of the country. The movie is essentially her performing a coup, while winning the favor of the people.
A thought just fricking struck me. This is just The ones who walk away from Omelas in a different scenario
Would you give up your 'dream' to live in a magical nation where you can live comfortably? That's what's being presented here. And instead of anyone just, walking away, they dismantle it to fix a "corrupt" system
It almost feels like there was one writer who wanted it to go like this to give the movie actual meaning, but it got changed and washed so much they made the fricking Villain look like he did nothing wrong
>Would you give up your 'dream' to live in a magical nation where you can live comfortably? That's what's being presented here.
Here's the thing tho: Magnifico doesn't FORCE people to give up a wish to live in Rosas, people move into Rosas, many because of the possibility of the wish being granted, and once you're above 18, if you so want, you can give your wish to the event.
I'm still iffy about considering the wish shtick to be representative of a dream, since some where just banal stuff. One of the wishes was for a nanny for crying out loud.
On that note, Magnifico's way of handling wishing, specially on such a scale is by far the most responsible I recall seeing. How many wishgranters even put up a minimum age on who can wish?
Hell some, like the fairies in FoP outright place a "maximum age" on wish granting. And their mind erase is even more hardcore than Magnifico's too. Became an adult? Tough luck kiddo, your whole memory of your wishes, fairies and all of that is gone with a wand swing, no ifs or buts. If Asha got transported to that cartoon world she'd have a meltdown.
there's a lot missing that would better cement Magnifico as a tyrant. If you turned 18 and didn't have a wish, would you be kicked out of the city? Probably not, since Magnifico seems to want an equal in Asha without begging for stuff coloring their relationship.
She's voiced by Awkwafina, so you're contractually obligated to say she's hot despite the fact that she sounds like a 60 year old slag that gargles rock salt.
It's crazy people think it is harmless references like how other Disney movies make other Disney cameos in the movies. Failing to realize that a one shot of Belle walking down the street in Hunchback is not the same as "HEY! REMEMBER ZOOTOPIA? I DO! LAUGH WITH US!"
>MCU collapsed >What do we do now? >I KNOW! Let's turn our old IPs into a cinematic universe!
This is obviously a joke but a part of me trembles knowing that it's not entirely impossible some exec actually had this thought.
Wish sounds like the protagonist being angry that a majority of people who play the lottery are losers even though they know the odds, then after getting a job at a bank, believes that they can simply print more money for everyone to have for free.
She isn't asking that the losers get their money back if they don't win at gambling, only that people should have the right to keep their dreams if there's no intention on granting them.
It makes you wonder how they can frick up something as unfrickup-able as capeshit in its prime. They tried to combined both the disney princess shit and capeshit demographics into one despite them being polar opposites. I guess their greed blinded their common sense.
Encanto was releasing right in the middle of the pandemic, during the peak COVID season. The current estimates for Wish point towards a 26-28M 3-day opening, which is pretty shitty given its seemingly poor WOM. It currently has the lowest Cinemascore of all animated movies released this year, along with Ruby Gillman.
Yeah, in the past, they were at least good at making family oriented media that
could pretend it was for all demographics but they are so extremely gynocentric that it's a surprise that Minnie mouse isnt mascot at this point. Imagine spending billions to aquire traditionally male IPs to get that audience just to convert them to shit girl brands that not even the girls want. The funny/sad part is that men are still the biggest supporters for capeshit like the marvels while women would rather watch reality tv/true crime Netflix shows
Non-mammals arent even sapient in Zootopia so not really. The talking goat from this movie however is, since his wish specifically only allowed non-mammals in.
The punishment is really over the top for the crime he committed in this movie.
Betrayed by your wife and locked up in a purgatory mirror.
The frick are they smoking over at disney?
So is this how we indoctrinate children into believing that white men will always be wrong no matter what they do, and black women being the oppressed ones who deserve to defeat the evil white guy for her to not be "oppressed" anymore and to fullfill their deranged wishes?
This but unironically, the plot forced him into villainy and her b***h wife doesnt even feel sorry for him.
*His b***h wife
>AIEEEE AMAYA DON'T LEAVE ME IN THE CRYSTAL vegana
>lol lmao
Amaya looks like foreign, weak, and with very female moves.
In the eye of the writers he commited the grave sin of being a man
>"first time?"
I think At All Costs was supposed to be this film's Love is an Open Door - early song with hero and not yet villain that's romantic (sounding) with double meanings - but it highlights how much better the songwriting in Frozen was comparatively.
Say what you will about the stupid twist but you can see in Love is an Open Door how Hans puts emphasis on having his own place and leading Anna on in the sentence sharing parts of the song. The whole song is also overly cheery and clearly superficial so it works. At All Costs sorely lacks any of that so it just sounds very genuine. I'd say Pine was a poor choice as he's singing it too sincerely but we've heard him do kind of satirical/slimy singing as the Prince in Into the Woods so I'm assuming the direction was just terrible.
They destroyed their own movie
I seethe every time this gets posted. There was someone at Disney who looked at the fricking gold they had on their hands with Magnifico and Amaya being a hot, older couple doing evil/questionable things together and said "lol she actually doesn't love him lmao"
They are evil
>sequel where she becomes evil
>they end up freeing magnifico so he can help them overthrow her
She's pretty evil already.
b***h get me outta this whack ass crystal prison
Yes, but in the next film, she'll read the evil book without making sure to put on the convenient anti-evil oil that Magnifico didn't know about, which will turn her into an Evil Queen.
Just like pajeet slotlights.
Sorry, the MCU post-credits scene shows that he's never getting ut of that mirror.
What happens there?
Magnifico is established as the Magic Mirror from Sleeping Beauty.
>ENTER PUNISHED MAGNIFICO (ESPEJO Black)
let's be real here. after all the negative backlash, this property is never gonna be touched again.
Wait so he becomes the magic mirror from snow white?
Yeah and considering he looks normal in the mirror, it's safe to assume the dramaturgy mask is just an avatar he has with motion capture and everything
Yes, Magnifico is a Vtuber
not quite, it's just a reference. Asha is not the real fairy godmother, the peter pan guy was not the real peter pan, the goat didn't really wish zootopia alternate universe into existence
it's just references
>Social credit has been deposited to your account Comrade.
They know what they're doing with those references though. I remember all the articles of this creative team having to acknowledge the "DURR TARZAN IS SECRETLY ANNA AND ELSA'S BROTHER" theories.
>They know what they're doing with those references though.
Yeah, they want people to screenshot or watch the movie multiple times to try and catch them all. I wouldn't be shocked if Disney pushed them to shove as many references as they could since this movie is meant to be their 100 year anniversary. But now I wish they'd just made another Fantasia movie instead.
Yes. https://streamable.com/45s97t
well ok
He's just been, gnomed. oohoo!
So does that mean the Queen who was married to him, would soon have a descendant that would become the Wicked Queen, and she would later die?
Kinda? Imagine if Snow White wasn't actually Fairest of Them All but Magnifico said this JUST to frick with the Evil Queen because she was insecure about her stepdaughter
>Snow White becomes "Wish 2: Magnifico's Revenge"
He didn't get out, but he got rid of that traitorous bloodline kek
I'm almost 100 percent certain it was the suits that shat up the place and chrned out the sludge that as thr final film. Corporate meddling has become increasingly more blatant in revent years. WiRII was almost entirely being written as a corporate advertisement, and this isn't much different.
>Wife stabs husband in the back when he's revealed to be the villain and joins up with the sisterhood instead of supporting him
Who would have thought that unbridled hatred of the penis'd kind would result in such outcomes?
And this from Disney of all places, who'da thunk it...
I rented Ralph 2 so it's no surprise to me, I just think it's wild how many people gave that movie a pass for its blatantly anti-male messaging.
>Okay! Okay. You can stop crying. Though I do respect your wonderful display of vulnerability.
I hope these people suffer horribly.
They always say they want men to be more vulnerability but are disguised when seeing it, I hold nothing but contempt for them.
Funny thing is the movie doesn't even try to disguise her disgust. Gaslighting: The Movie.
Would've been better if they were an evil couple and Magnifico did get trapped in the mirror, while Amaya ran off to rule another kingdom by marrying herself to another monarch, but still madly in love with her first husband and they're both together conning various kingdoms and duchies. Her as the evil queen and Magnifico as her true love trapped in the mirror yet capable of doing incredible magic despite it
such wasted potential
>actively removing soul from your movie
impressive
Most likely the writers were told that they had to change that part from the higher ups because you cant have a evil woman in a position of power these days.
Love is an Open Door is a good song
The plot made him be moronic. But, he still was in the wrong.
>Hans did nothing wrong
I know some of you are flabbergasted at disney's incompetence but let's be real here.
Dude attempted a Coup for his own self-gain. Elsa going full Freezetard was just icing on the cake for a justification to overthrow her. If Elsa didn’t, he would marry into the family only for his own pursuit of power. He used Anna, deceived her, and ditched her when he realized he could take them both out and get away with it.
Magnifico’s intentions were pretty pure to begin with and that didn’t change until the end when he is forced to use wrathful power because everyone tarded out and went against him.
Shit comparison
Honestly, what makes this worse is despite being shitty, Hans was clearly a better ruler than either sisters, the sequel proves this. I don't think he would've been THAT bad a king had he succeded with his OG plan.
I mean, he helped the kingdom in its greatest moment of need, a true idiot who only wants power would have abandoned them at the first opportunity.
It’s funny how Hans is more reasonable with the kingdom than its own rulers. But the plot had to slap him to be evil since they wanted the Ice witch and the trolls (fallen angels) to look good.
They removed all references of Jesus from our cultures, so pure evil could be promoted shamelessly and deceive the masses as they continue to attack pure images of the head of God, man and kings.
Even beings that resemble demons (horns, blue/red skin, claws, vampires, clowns, and jesters) are tossed to trash and mocked, when those characters are against magic, sin, and fallen angels (human wannabes) despite their clear connections to them.
We are indeed fighting against fallen angels instead of blood and flesh.
>Elsa going full Freezetard was just icing on the cake
I appreciated the pun.
I will never understand why he saved Elsa from being killed if he was going to kill her anyway.
He didn't know if Anna was still alive, he needed at least one sister to fake an express marriage and become the ruler of Arendelle.
He needed to see if he could get Elsa to reverse the winter. It is is the scene immediately after.
People are acting like he wasn't very clearly making up his plans as they went along. His original plan didn't even have anything to do with Elsa
Trolls put the whammy on him to eliminate Kristoff's competition.
all he had to do was
>stab Ana
>stab himself slightly and cut off some clothing to make it look like a scuffle
>"GUARDS! HELP! ONE OF ELSA'S SNOW CREATURES BROKE IN HERE! THE PRINCESS NEEDS HELP!"
>b***h please
never fall in love with the nerdy furry girl
Hans was really evil, the problem was that it wasn’t believable with his previous interactions with Elsa (not Anna, he was totally using her from the start).
I joke that Hans did nothing wrong, but it really seems like Magnifico really didn't do anything wrong.
Magnifico x Hans when
Anyone seen it yet?
How did the self insert do?
The one on the left had a crush on magnifico and immediately didn't when they were told he was evil
Based director, that sounds PPG level of waifuism.
Just like real women when their friends say the guy she likes is a creep.
Frick you talking about? Women will frick prisoners they only met through letters thinking they can fix them. Not to mention the women obsessed with actual serial killers AFTER they've been exposed as serial killers
I didn't get that she had a crush on Magnifico, but that might be because the characters exposit through dialog rather than showing their character.
i thought when she yelled out to get his attention and stall him she was gonna profess her feelings or something funny like that
So Magnifico is the director's personal husbando and her self insert is even in love with him?
Why would she do this to her husbando?
The protagonist is very cute, very breedable plap plap plap.
Most jokes and gags aren't that funny, it uses a lot of "cute tee hee hee behavior" which gets old quick, you keep wanting something more edgy to cut through the sweetness.
The villain is done bad, he makes too much of a change too quickly, literally dropping core traits (his love for his country) just so he can become the antagonist. They should've gone with a more psychological, gray-area conflict as anons have been suggesting in these threads.
But the movie is fine, just completely forgettable. Wait for streaming it.
He trusted a black woman.
Actually she's brown.
Biracial
I mean he did some stuff wrong. But like small prison sentence wrong, not eternal damnation while his wife mocks him, what the frick
>mean he did some stuff wrong. But like small prison sentence wrong
He wasn't even doing it of his own accord. He got mind controlled by the book.
My Little Mirror Demon can't be this MagnifiCUTE!
Did his subjects knew about the memory loss beforehand?
Yeah, the first song "Welcome to Rosas" explains it.
Did he do anything right?
He created a kingdom and people from all over the world travels there to live their lives. Everyone is happy there, even those who hadn't had their wishes granted yet.
A whole generation of kids grew up sympathizing with the Pharaoh from Prince of Egypt instead of seeing him as an outright villain. I wonder if the same will happen with this?
Pharaohs and slavery did exist in real life, this story is 100% fictional.
They only sympathized with him in prince of Egypt because that movie was brilliantly written and made him a complex villain instead of a generic evil dude, like the case in OP's ppic.
>instead of a generic evil dude
Thing is, usually those villains are obviously so from the start, Magnifico only becomes a generic evil dude partway through despite having benevolent qualities
Well he also becomes a boring evil dude, and those are the worst type.
That movie ripped off a ton of plot points from the Charlton Heston Moses movie.
I mean thousands of years later we know that the israeli enslavement in Egypt didn't happen and even if it did Pharoah has been justified in retrospect
Uh oh... time to leave the thread
Anon sound's like a /misc/tard and he might even be one but historically he is right, Exodus didn't happen because there were basically no israelites in Egypt at the time, let alone slaves. But with that said even if you think modern israelites are fine now, which fair enough not everything has to be a fricking conspiracy, back in the bronze age the israelites were fricking insane psychopaths who would regularly get into a loop of going
>"We are the Master Race! Our One God is Almighty and Promised Us the World! Slaughter the Lesser Filth and consume their Empire!"
>"OH Frick they're beating our asses and our invasion/uprising has resulted in us being conquered!"
>100 years pass
>"We are the Master Race! Our One God is Almighty and Promised Us the World! Slaughter the Lesser Filth and consume their Empire!"
Like fricking clockwork. There's strong evidence that they literally invented what we in the modern era see as racism and religious hatred basically as a way to keep the sheep in line and justify/pump up their population for genocidal war.
>let alone slaves.
*Let alone AS slaves, my bad. Too much shitposting has devolved my ability to remain coherent apparently.
Magnifico did nothing wrong
Killing israelites is never going to be something wrong anon.
From what I understand, this guy was just the guardian of wishes, right? Like he would dole wishes out to people, but would make sure they didn't wish for something actively harmful or stupid? Is that why he was a villain?
Basically.
The big falling out the protagonist has with him is that he refuses to grant a wish for her 100 year old grandfather that has waited his entire life for his wish to be granted. The reason why is the grandfather's wish was too vague and could potentially result in something bad happening even though the wish had good intentions.
Supposedly the king is monkeys paw savvy and his ability to grant wishes doesn't allow him to specifically control what happen as a result of them being granted. Really what he should have done was advise his people better on what a good wish is and flat out tell them if they're about to wish for something ungrantable so that their wish isn't wasted.
>Main character gets personally slighted by a well meaning guy.
>Moves forward to destroy his life and imprison him in some crystal purgatory prison.
That seems...odd for a Disney movie.
Not for the modern films. Especially with women at the helm
He should have just not granted wishes to anyone and lived alone on the island like Prospero.
This. Magnifico does not owe mankind anything. He already is implied to have had a bad origin so why should he dedicate his life to granting the wishes of selfish humans? He doesn't owe them a damn thing.
he didn't "had to", he did it out of his own good will. He wanted to give people a chance he didn't had. It's called being a good person
Unfortunately decades of entitled person only asking asking and asking left him bitter
I thought it was because he didn't want the same horrible shit that happened to him to happen to anyone else.
The problem is that Magnifico describes the Wishes himself, they're the purest wish of your heart, the best part of you and your hopes for the future.
And we never see any of the people give them up. So we don't know if they are actively making a choice about what their "Wish" is or if it's just synonymous with a lifelong Dream
But we do know that the guy who recently turned 18 and gave up his Wish became especially lethargic and boring afterwards, and that even he agreed that he seemed like he was missing a part of himself, and older adults seem to have adjusted over time
Like Magnifico could have just seen each Wish, decided if they weren't something he should grant, return them and let people move on.
Hoarding the Wishes so that the people they're taken from are missing a piece of themselves and live in ignorance of what they've lost is dumb
Unless he's actively trying to make a population of easily manipulated contented masses without any strong desire for more, in which case that is kinda villainous
plenty of people in the kingdom had their wishes taken away but looked entirely normal, just look at the crowd where the asian cripple tried to distract Magnifico. It was lazy bums who were depressed. Heck, look at Ashas grandfather, he was an entirely normal person who was even able to get angry and shout at his granddaughter(showing he still had emotions like any other person) and live up 100 years, even having a family of his own that loves him.
But oh noes, the sleepy baker is sleepy!(he looked the same at the end of the movie where every wish was given back)
>The problem is that Magnifico describes the Wishes himself, they're the purest wish of your heart, the best part of you and your hopes for the future.
>one guy wishes for a giant chicken and another person's wish is that they have a fricking nanny
That lethargic boring guy is supposed to be the dwarf Sleepy. Did the other guy become alergic after giving his wish? Or the short one become grumpy after giving his?
The story if a fricking mess.
He was the only one who was over 18 and had given away his Wish
The problem is that we see a shitload of Rosas adults and they all seem happy and normal.
That's not the point, though. You can't attribute being lethargic to the wish thing because being sleepy is his whole character. He's supposed to be Sleepy the dwarf. Same with the short one being Grumpy or the black girl bein Happy.
Except the entire climax is that they can get new wishes at any time as long as they truly want them, meaning Magnifico can not be culpable for any of their problems.
>people are idiots
Who knew?
Also please note that Magnifico build his kingdom, and is significantly younger than grandpa, so grandpa had well over half a decade to make his wish come through, but failed.
This is an old man, who made the wish in his late 50's at the absolute earliest, who then outlived both his wife and his son, and still moped about his wish not getting picked out every goddamn month during the wish ceremony!
The movie gives every example why wizards typically do not bother with altruism or helping others at all in the first place. It's not worth it. Even if they have nothing but good intentions, some butthole might show up and frick it all up any damn way because they never got what they wanted.
There was an old 90s era pc game that played out like that. Apprentice to a wizard would sneak around and check out the spell books, gather ingredients and frick with the wand each time the wizard was asleep or gone from the tower. If you were caught he turned you into a frog or killed you.
meant to reply to
i remember a flash game like that except less dying and more glaring at you
really because that sounds like dumb roastie its never my fault behavior to me
What movie? This sounds like an intresting conversation
Idk even hate Wish it has talking about shit for a change
The Bible?
come on anon thats been discussed to death
Are you fricking stupid?
Nta, but what the frick do you think "the garden" means?
>What movie?
have a nice day.
>Muh garden
Fricking dipshit do you know how many movies books and comic there are about garden
You should have this is like Eden all over again
You worthless wienersucking subhuman
>mad because moronic
>seething cuck knows hes wrong
>what movie
did i stutter b***h?
first the garden and now my fricking sides LMAO
This
Anon showed there were so many garden movies and all these morons are seething like b***hes
he keeps going on about a " garden MOVIE" lmao
anon i get it you're atheist but c'mon it's general culture
why don't you relax and take a nap anon? if you haven't shitted on the bed while chimping out i mean
>moron upset he was b***hed the frick out here
>dont post any more proof im a moronic shit stain.
No
Stop chimping the frick out, being wrong is fine but there’s no need to be a homosexual about it.
>stop pointing out i'm a moron with all your proof
I thought i told you no. Stupid fricks like you who jump on a bandwagon you know nothing about deserve it
1. I’m the anon that posted the garden comment
2. I did it because the comment I replied to put forth a scenario that was similar to the garden of Eden. If you can’t use context to piece that together then you either don’t know the Bible or have something wrong with your head.
Thats like saying every david is talking about the king of israelites
Thats moronic logic and you're moronic for using said logic and you've even bigger moron for expecting people to humour your moronation.
Here is the comment
what he said is pretty much a paraphrased version of what god said to Adam and Eve. Also can you think of another scenario that isn’t aping the story of Genesis?
>why are you talking about cartoon
>you should talk about religion
None of that shit happened in the Garden of Eden they were specifically told not eat the fruit of good and evil because if they eat it they will die
The threat of death was what was given not the threat of being kicked out of paradise and everybody else amounted to two people Adam and Eve
Thats not so much paraphrased as you just not having read the bible and instead just knowing the conclusion of the story.
> that isn’t aping the story of Genesis?
quite a bit its not exactly an uncommon theme there are many themes of being forced to leave paradise
just what do you think happened in the kingdom of Rosas after ?
it ended up in the hands of a b***h so nasty that put his husband on something worst than death for eternity (and probably sold it to some witch)
do you really belive that b***h gonna be good with the people
its literally the coup that Magnifico tried to stop from the loose wish of Asha's grandpa
the peole who had a good life and some whisheds granted are gonna be fricked over all thanks to two b***hes
For someone else i assume? Because that has nothing to do with what i said
Considering that she fricked all of humanity out of paradise in continuity, yeah I'd say everybody. Also if you do know the Bible why couldn't you pick up the context of what I was talking about? because despite saying its not uncommon you have yet to give an example.
>scenario is about woman fricking up a paradis
>mention garden
>doesn’t understand
Could you not have picked it up through context clues?
>A traumatized guy from a ransacked land travels the world to learn magic and after he marries he goes to a little island to build his kingdom.
Everyone is happy in that prosperous kingdom but there's a rule: Once you're 18, you join one of the monthly ceremonies to give your wish to the king. He may or may not grant it in one of those ceremonies, but since it is part of you, you won't even remember nor miss what you just gave up. (This moronic shit is not really explained).
Then there's this diversity hire, Asha, who has a grandpa who is 100 years old. She goes to a job interview with the king to be his apprentice. She only wants the position to get her family's wishes granted. Magnifico trusts her and thinks she's actually selfless so he shows her his secrets. When she acts greedy (which makes Magnifico have Vietnam flashbacks), he ends up firing her. And the sitiation keeps escalating until he's trapped in the mirror.
That's your evil irredeemable villain right there. Enjoy.
>be the apprentice to the wish-granting wizard
So she was going to learn to grant wishes too? Why the frick didn't she wait a bit to grant granddad's wish herself
why the frick didn't her grandpa just make music on his own without asking for a wizard to do all the hard work for him
Because he didn't have confidence he could.
There's a lesson about AI in there somewhere.
Come to think of it - does being his apprentice and learning wish magic make her the next in line to the throne? Why wouldn't that be reserved for his children - he's married surely they plan on having kids.
It actually says something about Magnifico's character he's perfectly fine letting one of the common folks get the chance to learn what he knows - seems to kind of counter the alleged narcissistic/power-hungry personality he's supposed to have.
That was addressed in the movie too, Magnifico said apprentices usually wait a year or two before asking for wishes. She asked in the first ten minutes.
he's 100 years old
Oh, wow! Is he? They barely mentioned it in the movie!
>to give your wish to the king
Do they explain what this means in detail that makes them so valuable? It doesn't seem like outside of the king's magic, there are any other avenues to having it granted. Unless "wishes" in this universe are some kind of intrinsic personal thing like a cutie mark
Watch it, bucko. You're walking a FINE line.
The end of the movie makes it very clear that those wishes they gave to the king are worthless. Anyone could have had another wish but their lives were so comfy in the kingdom, they never had the need to wish for something else. Also, we're all made of stars and could do magic all along...
So the moral of the story is: Everyone was moronic except for Magnifico.
Wishes are apparently a part of your very soul, but most of them are honestly pretty dumb or pedestrian (wanting to fly, being a great baker, becoming a brave castle guard), but everybody knows this and they have no problem giving them away in hopes that Magnifico grants them their wish one day. As many critics pointed out, Wish spends so much time explaining the mechanics of wish-granting that it muddles the intended message and ultimately makes it unclear why any of it is supposed to be an issue.
>you won't even remember nor miss what you just gave up.
but grandfather remembers it perfectly.
No, not really. He knows his wish hasn't been granted yet, but he doesn't remember what was his wish when he gave it up. And he gets really angry when Asha tries to tell him because he thinks there's no point knowing if it won't get granted.
JUST PRACTICE YOUR LUTE HOLY FRICK
He doesn't WANT to play the flute, he just wants to make a song to inspire others and nothing more.
>He knows his wish hasn't been granted yet
Isn't that contradictory? How does he know that his wish was not fulfilled if he doesn't even know what his wish is?
The King has ceremonies where he gathers the entire Kingdom and chooses a single wish to grant
I think his villain song mentioned he granted 14 wishes last year.
No, cos you remember giving something to the king but never getting anything back or being chosen in a ceremony to hace your wish granted. It's not a lobotomy.
It's funny how despite this being written by Jennifer Lee who wrote Frozen, Disney isn't using that in any of the promotion.
It's almost as if they don't want this stinker connected to her name since she's going to be making Frozen 3 and 4 for them.
Frozen 2 should have told them that she was a one-hit wonder.
They should have just figured out what everyone figured out already which is that Frozen is only really liked for Let It Go.
Why does Frozen shill Anna so hard?
Elsa carries the franchise
writers self instert duh
Because she's the hotter sister.
Nah, Anna is cute, but Elsa is sexo.
>Why does Frozen shill Anna so hard?
>Elsa carries the franchise
Why are you asking such an incredibly stupid question? Anna barely has her own merchandise, it's Elsa who does. Are you blind? How exactly are they shilling Anna? If you saying that it's making her queen, it's not a promotion since she is just getting Elsa's leftovers.
Reminder: (work in progress)
You forgot the part where Magnifico made the island specifically to trap souls and make them worship him for eternity.
They were free to leave whenever they wanted to.
At the climax of the film, they literally reclaim their power to make wishes because they found out they could do it all along. Everyone stayed in Rosas voluntarily because of their own obsession with what they gave up through their own desire for a shortcut. They didn't have to live in Rosas.
Magnifico's biggest flaw was being overly cautious to avoid disaster, but he was right about vague wishes potentially causing danger.
>because they found out they could do it all along.
Which means Magnifico could not have been doing anything wrong.
Exactly. Unless the intent was for him to suppress that knowledge itself, which the writers totally dropped the ball on.
>they found out they could do it all along.
Through time, hard work and passion, right?
There isn't just a kingdom of reality warpers given full moral authority to make 100% of their whims come true, right?
Right?
tbh assuming in the Wish universe anyone can study and use magic, then I don't see why it's not possible. Magnifico is probably not the only savant sorcerer, or guy with access to magic items. Asha was given a magic wand that can grant wishes at the end of the film, after all.
She became the fairy godmother. She's literally Magnifico but worse.
You don't get it, anon. Asha gets a free pass because she proved herself and has pure intentions, which is totally something that meanie weenie Magnifico didn't do.
Magnifico had nothing but pure intentions. And he didn't let people remember that their dreams were hopeless.
I was being ironic.
so asha made a pedophile's dream come true to never grow old and kidnap other children to take them to a secret island no one but him know how to enter and exit.
Do you think the queen from snow white is the queen from wish? she is the only one who knows about the mirror and kept him as a slave
Basically Magnifico was right to be cautious of wishes that could cause trouble, Asha lost her shit way too quickly and turned full rebel in the span of five minutes and wanted to overturn the King's rule. Meanwhile the king got nervous and started loosing it because he thought people were planning to overturn his rule....which was actually happening so he was not wrong to be nervous of it.
The plot just required that there be a villain and the people just out of nowhere turn on him and rebel against him for totally unseen reasons. They just sort of did. Just like Magnifico just sort of turned evil out of nowhere.
Everyone learned that all of humanity is magic too. And there is a big giant library of magic books in the castle up on the hill. So probably yeah, it might be a nation of reality warpers.
>things that never happened
He's talking about Gnostic Demiurge.
He made a kingdom on an island, forced no one to come, but welcomed all, made the nation prosperous and thus people's lives good, AND he granted miracles every month! For a king, he was pretty much as amazing as you could get!
He also charges no rent and doesn't tax them.
Is this one of the worst written big-budget Disney movies out there?
Yes. Which is insane given how Jennifer Lee (who also wrote Frozen) started working on this in 2018.
5 years of production and this is what she ended up with, like what the frick...
>2018
Trump really did break creatives.
frozen was dogshit
This. Frozen was an okay movie saved by its soundtrack.
Yes.
Definitely one of the worst. It just get worse the more you think about it.
The only reason it's not bottom of the barrel is Ralph Breaks the Internet exists. As bad as this film is I'd still take it over that.
Agreed, RBTI is in a class of it's own. It's a jumbled mess of scenes overlayed with a 'men are inherently evil and just want to control women' message.
Totally destroying everything built up in the first movie.
Thankfully it doesn't ruin the first movie as long as you pretend it doesn't exist.
Easily the worst of the decade so far
Chicken little is still worse
Strange World was so bad Disney wouldn’t even promote it and much less do merch like with other films
I mean, the work of Walt's life had already turned into cheap shock value ages ago but this is something else
So, will this be another Disney box office bomb or will they lure in the families ?
>I want to make art that inspires someone
>doesn't do anything in 90 years
what fricking vague ass wish is that and these people still know what their wish is but just don't?
They don’t know what their wish was. It doesn’t prevent them from having more wishes and working on those, though, so they’re still lazy fricks.
Somebody's coping
So the reasoning is: If you do good things but you still are a flawed person FRICK YOU!
Look at pic related: That's Autolycus, king of thieves from the Hercules and the Xena series. He's a liar, a thief and he's selfish and a narcissist. And people still love him because he manages to do good deeds like a chaotic Robin Hood.
Nobody is ignoring any flaws. But people will always appreciate a flawed good person because that's realistic, that's human.
>So the reasoning is: If you do good things but you still are a flawed person FRICK YOU!
This is how the Twitter camp functions. Someone can do everything right but the absolute second they have a viewpoint that is not perfectly lock step with the approved norm....frick you take them down NOW! No forgiveness, destroy them!
It’s not just twatter homosexuals see someone doing something good or cool and that makes them feel bad. So they get extremely butthurt and start to resent the person. They start feverishly looking and examining every little action until they come across something they can use against them/justify their hate and run with it. It reminds me of that shit with Mr. Beast where all those people got pissy that he helped those blind people.
What you're describing is called nuance. People who make western animation don't get that anymore. You're either a 1 or a 0 and they don't get its a slider.
>narcissism is a crime now
>troony tropes
When will those braindead drooling morons just die already?
Tvtropes validates exclusively the points of view of feminists and leftists.
this is not how tv tropes is supposed to be used.
There is a small edit war, they removed the rooting for the empire part
>TVTropes
Remember that this website holds Snoot Game in the same regard as Mein Kampf and Birth of a Nation
I'm surprised they keep the Pokemon Clover page around
IIRC they said the pages attract vandals and racists, not that the work itself is as hateful as Mein Kampf and Birth of a Nation.
That said, the site is still full of moronic manchildren.
I never thought I'd see the day when site became worse than when it was just a haven for coomers and pedos.
Is this worse than Raya?
Actually Yes
jesus christ, seriously??
I didn't think so. I thought it was way better than Raya. I liked the songs, and the message and the story were political, which I liked also.
What’s the message in your opinion?
Don't let the one authority decide for you what's right and wrong. Don't give up your hopes and dreams to authority figures. Pursue them by your own hard work.
If that is the intended message the film utterly fails
Why, did you not feel that from the film?
>Pursue them by your own hard work.
And also with the help of the new fairy godmother who has a superpower that makes your wishes come true
At least Raya had 3 characters you could coom to
Sisu and her sisters?
It's Sisu, Raya, and Sisu (human form)
Raya, Raya's dad and who else?
Raya, Sisu and who? One of Sisu's sisters?
Having seen both, yes. Raya is just bland and has weird messaging; Wish is actively unpleasant to watch.
>Disney: since people are tired of our twist villains or no villains at all, we are going back to making true evil villains!
>proceeds to make one of the most sympathetic and understandable villain they’ve ever done
This is honestly the one time where the bad guy getting a redemption at the end would actually be good writing and makes sense, how did Disney manage to drop the ball again.
Their idea of a bad guy is someone who could give you what you want but doesn't. It was never anything you owned or was owed to you but he has it and you don't so if he doesn't hand it over he's bad. There's a reason for the fixation on generational trauma before this. These writers are toddlers. It was never the subject matter, it was always them. They never grew up.
Did you guys miss the part that he's paranoid from his past trauma, so he's withholding people's vague wishes instead of giving them back, just in case they threaten his authority? Or are you just deliberately being contrarian?
>Or are you just deliberately being contrarian?
Projection, party of one
>withholding people's vague wishes
Have you never seen media that involves wishes or genies or anything like that? Those wishes are probably the most dangerous given that they could be interpreted as almost anything. For example let’s say I wish to be a star, now I meant I wanted to be famous, but it’s interpreted as me wanting to be a literal Star. So I become a massive ball of flaming gas and radiation that destroys the earth killing everything and everyone.
Did you see the film? Giving people's wishes back doesn't mean that the wishes come true. It just means that people regain their drive and purpose in life, instead of passively waiting for the king to be generous and grant them their wish.
Did you miss the part of my reply where is said granted wishes? Or are you trying to deflect because your argument is predicated on the fact that him not granting peoples vague wishes is a bad thing.
You're the one responding to me saying
>withholding people's vague wishes instead of giving them back
I wasn't talking about granting wishes.
>No bro I wasn’t talking about him not granting the wishes
Why are you like this? Why do you insist on trying to defend some shitty b-tier (at most) Disney movie by trying to make an antagonist that in literally anything else would be at most tragic and normally a victim?
How is he a victim? He's an authority figure saying he knows better than anyone and unilaterally reserves the right to determine who will get their wish granted, and who will forget what their wish is.
You're the one jumping through the hoops to somehow say that a fricking children's cartoon villain designated to be a villain is not a villain just because.
He’s only a villain if you’re a spoiled brat that can’t understand why you don’t get what you want when you want it. I already gave you a scenario showing how vague wishes can frick people up and destroy shit. So either you’re purposely acting obtuse to argue or you’re just shitposting.
I agree that he's not obligated to grant everyone's wishes.
Do you agree that he's evil for making people think that he's going to grant their wishes, but instead keeps their wishes locked up forever, so that people never know what their wish is?
If they forget it how is it that Asha’s grandpa and other people have the same wish year after year?
Okay. You didn't watch the film. Congratulations, you've successfully wasted my time and your time. Have a nice day.
>abandons the argument at the first opportunity
>tries to act smug so it doesn’t look like he’s running with his tail between his legs
Predictable.
*Timewasting. Not an arguement.
It’s funny, if I was wrong you would have used my lack of knowledge and turned it to your advantage to win the argument. You must not have any confidence in what you’re arguing. Since if you did you wouldn’t have tried to end this when a clear advantage showed up.
Alright. I don't care about winning an "argument" about what happens in a film against an Internet stranger who didn't watch it, but you seem to want to talk. I'm feeling particularly generous this evening. I'll explain the film. People give their wishes to the king, and when they do, they forget what their wish is. The wish is locked up. Periodically, the king goes to the vault and picks and chooses which one he grants. But in one instance, a wish is "to inspire the next generation," and he considers it too dangerous, because of its vagueness, it could "inspire" people to overthrow him. So he will never grant that wish. People don't know he picks and chooses like that.
The people, without knowledge of their greatest wish, don't work towards achieving their wish, and some even feel empty. They just live hoping that the king grants their wish someday.
The film is about liberating those wishes so that people rediscover their passion in life. The epilogue shows people working towards their wish instead of sitting around and waiting for the king to magic it up into reality.
Different anon here. Haven't seen the film yet, but that sounds like it is more of a people-issue, rather than something evil that Magnifico is doing. Sure, it's shitty that he isn't straightforward with how he deliberates which wish to grant- but they gave their wishes to him willingly, right? He doesn't owe them anything to begin with. It makes perfect sense for him to not grant vague or possibly dangerous wishes.
I forgot to say Asha specifically asks him to return the wishes he isn't going to grant anyways, and he flatly refuses, because he doesn't want people to have ideas that might threaten his rule. That's when Asha turns against him.
Ah, I see. I can understand the vilification now. I'm not sure if I agree with the writer's reasoning, but I haven't seen the film yet so I can't say for sure.
Whats the point of you discussing the plot of the film then?
Just chewin the fat, my man. That's all.
>Asha specifically asks him to return the wishes he isn't going to grant anyways
Alright, let's say he does. What happens next?
>People try to grant their wishes on their own
>Most of these people either try (and fail), or don't (because the wish wasn't something they could do for themselves in the first place, hence their bringing it to a wizard in the first place)
>Most of these people are going to be unhappy, and most of that majority are going to turn that bitterness towards (a) the lucky few who do get their wishes granted, (b) Magnifico himself, or (c) both
It might not happen right away, but all that envy and bitterness is going to to build and build until eventually the hour produces the man who says, "Hey, there's one of him and (x) of us- let's just make him grant our wishes!"
1. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t have kept going, let alone typed all of this out.
2. That wish is extremely fricking dangerous given that it could inspire them to do all kinds of fricked up shit. John Hinkley Jr. Was “inspired to kill Reagan after watching Taxi Driver. So someone being inspired isn’t something that should immediately be seen as good nor should preventing it be seen as bad.
3. Yeah that makes sense realistically he doesn’t do anything wrong aside from not grant people their wishes which is only bad if you’re a spoiled child.
4.If the wish was something that they could work towards or do on their own they wouldn’t have to resort to magic, and if someone feels empty without some vague wish then they weren’t really much to begin with.
So he should just let people do shit that could depose him because someone is too lazy to work for what they want? Also this only covers one of my points.
Honestly at this point you all are sounding like pro-censorship dictators like Kim Jong Un
It’s sounds like you still can’t argue and instead are trying to make this a moral dilemma by bringing in irl politics out of desperation. Even though I explained how he wasn’t evil and that him doing what he’s does isn’t wrong, and all you’ve given for a counter is this strawman. Is this going to be your go to that you’ll repeat over and over hoping it will hide that you have yet to refute what I’ve said? Or is this you’re attempt at trying to run again?
>Movie about country's dictator acting like a dictator
>Y BRIN UP POLITCS????
kys moron
>not granting peoples wishes is the same as running generation prison camp
Why are you getting so upset I thought you didn’t care?
Im not going to argue up and down the contents of a movie with someone who obviously doesnt even know what happened in the movie.
You already tried saying this and you even explained what happens so I do know. If you didn’t care you would stop, if you actually had confidence in any of your arguments you wouldn’t abandon them to do this shit.
Ok so if you know what happened explain to me what the villain told Aisha about her grandfather's wish and what was the wish.
That he took the wish and he forgot and that it was to inspire the next generation. Unless you lied about that, but why would you? Why wouldn’t you be upfront about what happens in the movie?
I said what was the villains explanation for keeping the wish, read.
Yeah I did, that was what you said, unless of course you left that out, but again why would you?
sigh
goodbye
You’ve done this four times now and every time you come back more desperate than the last. You’ve given nothing that actually proves me wrong and are once again trying to run away with the flimsiest excuse. It’s especially shitty here given that was what you said, unless you are lying in which case you trying to run makes sense.
I've explained the film for you, I'm not arguing with you.
If you like dictators deciding what ideas people have, that's on you.
>Do you agree that he's evil for making people think that he's going to grant their wishes
Everyone in the kingdom consents to it despite knowing he typically grants one wish a month in a kingdom with thousands of people so the odds of getting your personal wish picked are near 0.
They don't know that he picks wishes according to what his paranoia tells him might threaten his authority. Asha freaks out when she finds out.
>his paranoia
Its not paranoia when Asha literally pulls that fricking garbage
>Do you agree that he's evil for making people think that he's going to grant their wishes
Well in this scenario do you think thats evil?
>I want to marry my friends wife
>Wow okay i mean what are we talking about here should the wish kill him, should she just magically want to divorce him
>what about all those years they had together is she just supposed to forget about him? Shes not going to magically fall in love with you even if she divorces him
>you know what imma take away this wish and now you'll never to think about fricking over your friend or literally fricking his wife ever again
That is sort of the problem with Asha, she comes off as a spoiled little shit that wants and will frick over the whole system if she is ever told no. She went from loyal apprentice to revolutionary taking down the system in about three minutes. And Magnifico pointed out how she really jumped to demanding her own wish be granted almost instantly, while every other apprentice waits a few months to a year.
You actually pinpoint the second when his heart rips in half
This point right here, this is where she lost the gig.
A cleverer person would have taken the job and then snuk around in the magic books to find some way to grant the wish themselves in their own time.
Wait… is the fricking mouse smarter than her?
>unilaterally reserves the right to
Because it's his fricking power. You don't have the right to force a wizard to use his magic to accomplish your goals. Either work your ass off or stop fricking b***hing.
As king he has that authority, before we get around to the wizard part. He knows what is best for the nation because he is the sovereign that founded that nation himself. He is more aware and more fit to make these kinds of decisions than some heir who was born into his position.
Nobody is "defending" this movie, its just annoying how people spam this moronic opinion because they were too dumb to understand a shitty baby movie
How is it moronic? Because you disagree? Because you feel the need to suck the wiener of your favorite corporation and get absurdly mad when people criticize the moronic writing?
no because its moronic, hope that helps
>it’s moronic because… IT JUST IS
wow this is the first time I’ve seen someone legitimately use this as an answer.
The wishes were GIVEN to him, it was part of a deal. And they can make new wishes any day now, but are way too lazy and/or entitled(depending on the person) to do it
>Oh no, I lost the lottery for the past 50 years, now they have to pay me back all those lottery tickets I bought!
Plus him being paranoid was entirely justified, the moment he gave his citizens some of his time, they became entirely entitled and maniac, with even the assistant hire(who was recommended by his queen of all people) just wanted the job to get some nepotism benefits.
Not to mention that he once lost everything as a kid and clearly has an unresolved trauma about it, which makes him extra anxious and suspicious. People who compare him to Encanto's grandma are actually on to something.
he actually didn't
He is the Joel Shoemaucher of Marvel.
What pisses me off about Magnifico is his shitty wife had that item that stopped evil corruptions and she allowed her husband to get corrupt and ousted from the throne because SHE wants to pretend to be noble. Disgusting shit. Hope Disney's gynocentrism bankrupts them.
>He committed the worst crime of all. He's a male character in a israeli funded Feminist media. So he's doomed. The israelites are proving that they deserve to be killed into extinction and women don't deserve rights. Over a hundred years of israeli funded feminism and all it has brought to the United States is rot and decay.
Quit noticing things.
You know, Magnifico is kind of like Disney if you replace "granting wishes" with "greenlighting ideas".
But Disney is kind of worse since instead of just turning down wishes/ideas they will take them and turn them into something different that they think will benefit them more.
Honestly having the villain do that would have been a lot more interesting, but maybe too on-the-nose, eh?
Isn’t that just the standard genie scenario or monkey’s paw?
Genie/monkey paw is more granting the wish in an ironic way that hurts the person making the wish.
What I'm proposing is him twisting the wishes to his benefit. Something like
>I wish I could inspire others!
>Great! You're the new general of my army, inspiring thousands to join and serve me!
>I wish I was rich!
>Here's your pile of money! Of course, you're in charge of loaning some of it to the people of the city when they need it. I'll be getting half of the interest payments.
Well if he gave them their Wishes back, there literally wouldn't have been a problem. What a dumb movie.
After listening to "DIS IS DE TANKS I GET?" a few times and seeing the sequence in the camrip I think I actually could like the song, but Chris Pine's voice doesn't fit it at all. That horrendous autotune every time he does the title drop is also distracting (which is an odd choice because we know Pine can sing and he belts more intense lines without that filter). I can envision it sounding great in a different language's dub.
unfortunately the pop sound ruins it for me. it was a more classic musical sounding sound i would probably like it.
I think it's really catchy but I get where your coming from
>Knock Knock Knock on wood
Just saw it and I genuinely can’t get over how mean spirited it felt to lock him up like that, dude’s brain was cooked by that book
Why did they take him away from us, he would have made them so much money along with the evil royal couple
Add the Demo version of "At all cost" for further salt in the wound
My must you hurt me more with things that cannot be. The fricking starblob dancing around makes it so much worse. I trust that there will be animatics of this at least.
Executive meddling strikes again
Surpised no one has called out Disney for literally ripping off Luma. I’m honestly convinced they changed it up last minute because of the Mario Bros movie.
Some critics have, but it’s such minor detail compared to all the real problems the movie has that it’s not really worth dwelling on.
>currently 29% on RT among top critics
It’s so over.
So let me get this straight. Magnifico is defeated by people just wishing him gone really hard? Just straight up, literal Wishing Energy takes him out and puts him in the mirror? Just like that?
Yep. Magnifico is evil and irredeemable because he kept all those wishes, but turns out anyone could still have wishes because we're all stardust, so nothing was lost except Magnifico's sanity.
>Magnifico!
>Magnifico!
>Magnificooooo!
No man who's just
Could ever trust
A man that triggers such disgust
His selfish caution give me such a chill
So let us pray that one fine day
That evil man will go away
'Cause if we want it bad enough he will!
For if you
Wish a little harder
You'll get what you desire
Wish a little harder
When things are looking dire
If you wish a little harder
Success is guaranteeeeeeed!
If you are sure of your intention
Some magic intervention
Will give you the edge that you need!
>What I call planning, they call scheming
>What I call delusion, they call dreaming
>Why am I the only one who sees things as they are?
(Wish a little stronger)
To write a song
>Why not just do so?
(Hope a little bigger)
I want to fly
>That's unrealistic!
(Think a little louder)
I want a giant wiener!
>What?
Frick you!
Whistle while you swallow
A spoonful of sugar
And your dreams will come true upon a star!
>I want a giant wiener!
I'm glad we're finally getting attractive, confident, and handsome villains.
Also he did NOTHING wrong. Not every wish should be granted. He made all the right decisions.
He was the best part of the movie.
Aisha was naive and gullible. She deserved nothing.
Yes he did
It's crazy how Disney managed to write a story with a tragic hero and a villain protagonist and they did it completely unintentionally.
If people claim Asha becomes Once Upon a Time's Fairy God Mother, then it gets worse.
losing counts as something wrong
>he gave a woman a chance
this is actully a fable with a moral, where you discover muslims like Magnifico where right about stripping women from everything and make them like pets if you want happyness to last
it's just not a racist by rubbing salt on the muslim-spain history, it actually validates them making women the bad guys, this movie goes so wokes it gives the full 180° and turns in the opposite
It isn't in Spain. They dropped that angle early on because of blowback. Magnifico is an atheist wizardman and Rosas is an areligious, cultureless void.
they marketed as Spain, where did they exactly dropped it ?
But they never dropped it according to that pic?
They dropped it without dropping it, is that so hard to understand?
But they didnt drop it and they tell you they didnt drop it
No, they didn't tell you that they dropped it, but they did drop it without dropping it.
>Murica
Frick yeah
>Mediterranean Spain
>Nobody speaks Catalan
It's trash, 0/10
Wait, aren't they supposed to speak mexican?
The setting comes off as some kind of fantasy Dominica at best with the total hodge podge mix of all races but it's largely Spanish flavored west African peoples. But the buildings are really nice looking.
He relaxed
>The king has good intentions! The end justifies the means! Just let him police your thoughts!
Bravo Cinemaphile.
Don't question authority. Be grateful. Let them decide for you what's good and what's bad.
Can't I just make my own wishes come true?
No, you need to rely on the king because he owes you and you deserve it because you’re a super special and good person that deserves nice things and if anyone tries to deny you just get rid of them.
If the movie offered one single example of someone having accomplished their goals without magic and achieved personal satisfaction, it would color the entire populace who rise against Magnifico as lazy, selfish idiots looking for a shortcut who then get pissed when a gamble they agreed to didn't go their way.
Good thing there isn't one and that takeaway is impossible to pick up.
People can make their own wishes come true in real life without magic, and the movie doesn't give us reason to belive it's not the same for them. It shouldn't need to show us someone putting in the effort to prove you can put in the effort, it needs to show us putting in the effort doesn't work instead to prove you can't.
Also, you're apparently not counting the evil queen usurping magnifico as "getting her wish without magnifico's power".
>Good thing there isn't one and that takeaway is impossible to pick up.
This was sarcasm
Ah
>it would color the entire populace who rise against Magnifico as lazy, selfish idiots looking for a shortcut who then get pissed when a gamble they agreed to didn't go their way.
No it wouldn't. They would treat getting their wish immediately granted like how people treat winning a lot of money from the lottery or casino. As a huge fricking win. This is why the issue with Magnifco is apart of a much larger issue Disney has had for a long time when it comes to them writing traditional villains in their movies since Frozen. Their motivations just don't make any fricking sense (Hans not killing Elsa when he had the chance. Ralph turning into a man-child. The chick from Raya shooting the LAST DRAGON even though she's a HUGE dragon nerd.)
>Hans not killing Elsa when he had the chance
People of her kingdom still had some sympathy towards her, it was better to drive her to suicide
t. Disney shill
uhhh chud that was because of the evil book
Why didnt they wish him to turn good if they were afraid he was still evil?
Why did they trap him in a mirror and turn him into a slave
Bravo chud we should turn a man of color into a slave the moment we dont get our way.
Stunning and brave
>Don't question authority.
question what?
There are no taxes, public health is at its best, people can live 100 years, there is no crime and you are not forced to participate in anything.
It is literally the perfect society, a utopia.
Just don't go to HIS island if you don't like his rules. Of course he had good intentions, but his trauma made him extremely paranoid and when he could find an explanation for the star's effect on his magic, he panicked and ended up corrupted by the evil book.
>police
Missed the part where Magnifico was kicking down doors and taking his people's wishes by force
>hey kiddo you can live in paradaise for free your welcome
>just don't go full moron and ruin it for every body ok
>no one frickings tells me what to do frick you and everybody
i can tell your skin color anon
It’s like the fricking garden all over again
Do you ENJOY being moronic or something?
>He did nothing wrong
He trusted women and that's why he lost.
Feels like this has become the new trick to get around ESG bullshit
>we have to have a minority lead for goybux, but she’s not marketable as a result
>quick, make the bad guy “literally me” and muddy the plot
>quick, make the bad guy “literally me” and muddy the plot
Occam's razor says the morality on display in this children's movie is there because its the morality in the hearts of the people who made it. Pretending its some kind of conspiracy is insane, Disney has tanked the value of its two most valuable IPs in the last 5 years. The people above those creatives are either fine with it or in complete denial over this obvious pattern.
Wait, this movie is already out? I didn't get any ads or anything, did it come out with no marketing like that one other movie with the family in another world or something like that?
So will he become the next Tumblr sexyman?
Become?
Looking around now, I genuinely don't think Tumblr even paid attention to this movie.
>We could have had a sexy charming redeemable villian
>Who ends up being Asha's love interest
>Billions of teenage girls of all races will be lusting over him, writing fanfiction, drawing fanart of this pairing and buying all the merch
>Disney shoot themselves in the dick
Majority of girls still do love boy+girl romance and still dreaming of handsome king/prince
I hope the nips make fanart of him
This is what happens when gay women write movies for little girls.
>that lip bite
What a fricking bawd, he is just asking for it at this point
He shouldn't have been the love interest, his wife, the queen, should have been in cahoots with him and they both get reformed. But he and Asha could still have good chemistry even if it doesn't go anywhere.
Have both Asha and his wife as implied "love interests". Imagine the fandom wars.
>Billions of teenage girls of all races will be lusting over him, writing fanfiction, drawing fanart
It's better for the fandom that he *isn't* redeemed in canon. The fangirls get to write fix-it fic themselves.
or they should have removed his wife from the story completely, making him a perfect "I can fix him" kind of man
I would have pefered the star shota boy in pre wish to be the unseprecated love interest.
Magnifico did nothing wrong
>but he takes away peoples desires, even when he doesn't grant them!
All done voluntarily, bare minimum for this making him a villain would be if he forced the people to give them up by force or threat of expulsion but that was never the case. You can't even argue he tricked the people into doing it given that they know people changed after the ceremony yet none them were afraid of attempting to have their wish granted, let alone refuse to do it if they had the opportunity.
>but he picked and chose the wishes he granted
No shit, it's his powers he can do what he wants with them. He was also shown to very careful to ensure nobody would get hurt from the wishes he granted.
Not granting wishes that would endanger himself is also his right, just like the miranda declaration states that accused has the right to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination
>he was keeping people from realizing their wishes with their own power
Never stated to be his goal, nor would it be even if it were. If everyone gets theirs wish magically granted the world is gonna devolve into anarchy real soon, there's no law that could be enforced without a literal thought police to make sure nobody would have a disastrous wish.
I thought Asha was hot, but the movie sucked.
Modern Disney is apparently only capable of
>contrived twist villains
>villains that aren't twists but still make literally no sense as villains
>Disney tries to come up with morally gray antagonists
>Writes irredeemable scumbags
>Disney tries to write a "traditional villain"
>Comes up with a guy who's only serious offence was committed during an act of desperation during a revolt
Can someone post the plot synopsis I ain't watching this shit?
Thank you and God if this is true. Well frick no wonder he has so many threads. Really seems like a typical modern writer story so obsessed with making your mc perfect/right you lose sight of the fact they are so fundamentally wrong or just given a deus ex machina to win. Why would magnefico not know about second wish and why do they always betray the reliable hero for some rando or unknowable person.
I swear that one idea I saw of Magnifico being used by a second star that grants wishes but inevitably monkey paws them while keeping him under his thumb by threatening to take away everything he gained sounded better than this.
Why do you think he wasn't granting the sleepy guy's wish? You think making a big guy like him a loyal knight would be a pretty good wish for the kingdom.
Not sleepy didn't win the lottery, and didn't display loyalty
Can a wish magically change your character and not just your circumstances? Magnifico himself states he holds onto wishes to filter out people who are too lazy to earn them on their own. Sleepy didn't wish to be more knightly, he just wished to be a knight
>"Hang him on a wall in the dungeons!"
Makes kingdom everyone is happy, tries to grant as many wishes as you can. Women conspire against you and ruin it. What did they mean by this?
The wife is what gets me the most. Sure, the rest of the plot can be demented in its message and whatnot, but it would have costed them nothing to just giver her sorrowful face as she condemns her lost husband to eternal imprisonment. What the frick were they smoking when they decided to make her completely unsympathetic and downright smug about it?
All they need to fix it is a post credits scene where she lets him out and smugly goes "Calmed down?" Still b***hy and "empowered" but not fricking evil.
Women hate their husband that's the message lol
>hate
Nah it's just Briffault's Law. Learn the game.
That we're supposed to see him as the villain and the queen as a hero is batshit insane. What kind of nepotistic Calibubble must you be in to look at this and think it's okay?
>inb4 Disney
Okay why are the guys doing the big budget animated films afraid of doing a straight up bad guy since 2012 and the guys working on TV shows meant for people watching a channel on the dying medium called tellyvision able to do them on the regular?
Animated films would have a fairly decent number of villains if you allowed yourself to count twist villains. The thing is when writing a film it's just too tempting to incorporate twist villains into the narrative as they make for dramatic third acts.
Funny thing is when pixar started the trend of twist villains way back with monsters inc. and toy story 2 they already showed the answer to this which was to have both a traditional villain and a twist villain at the same time. This not only allows for the best of both worlds but actually helps to make the villain twist less obvious because the audience suddenly isn't looking for a twist villain but the story already has one. It's weird how that trick has been completely forgotten.
>Shego, Ludo and Doofenschmirtz straight up bad guys
I'm here for the only other female villain in the selection being from The Ghost and Molly McGee
It is 10:02 PM here in San Bruno, I'll laugh until 10:02 PM tomorrow
Forgot to add Lord Hater to that list too since he's as affable as the other three and Mojo Jojo
>allegory for nuDisney
>is loved by people who hate nuDisney
Make up your mind. Do you want to suck the dick or not?
>it’s implied that reality broke apart into a multiverse in a post king’s rule world
Jesus
You joke but it make sense
All these wishes means at least one has to contradict with the other
Without a person making sure to keep all the wishes in line the people run rampant
Now that all wishes are getting granted in order to make sure they don't clash and cause chaos, reality is fractured into multiverses
>a universe where peter pan can be young and fly
>a universe where talking animals can create an entire city without humans
>All these wishes means at least one has to contradict with the other
I was thinking this would eventually happen with Ashas new magic rule
something like this:
>Stalker: Hey Asha, I wish for my pretty Neighbor to fall in love with me!
>Asha: What? I can't brainwash people!
>Neighbor: What the frick, I wish for that creepy stalker to die!
>Asha: I can't do that either, I won't kill anyone!
>People: I thought you were going to grant peoples wishes, unlike the king!
i thought Cinemaphile hates disney.
Guess they really like goyslop product pusher.
>Creates entire kingdom where people can live there for free
>Only grants wishes that will benefit the kingdom and its people
>Doesn't even have to
>Just does it out of goodwill
>Refuses to cast wishes that are to vague
>This makes him the bad guy
I have never sided with a villain so much in my life. https://streamable.com/pz66vq
Lmao he actually does look genuinely hurt when she says that, what the frick were the writers thinking
>You can pinpoint the moment his heart breaks
MAGNIFIBROS...
I like how one critic pointed out that even his villain song doesn’t sound very villainish.
>This action is all set to music of the generically inspiring Disney variety, the best of the bunch being "This Is the Thanks I Get?!" which is sung by Pine and could become an anthem for overworked, underappreciated moms everywhere.
Like, holy shit! He JUST gave you his backstory and you don't even have the job yet.
>https://streamable.com/pz66vq
I have never seen this movie and maybe this is out of context, but he sounds completely correct here
I'm still convinced that until pretty late in production they were gonna do a gotcha by setting up Magnifico as the antagonist in previews only to reveal that the Queen is the evil one.
The original plan was for both of them to be evil
ehh, that's what they said in the book but in the concept art
you see scheming queen and distracted king.
>turns into THE evil mirror
WTF
The Magic Mirror wasn't evil, he was enslaved by the Evil Queen.
Wouldn't be the first time they did something like this. There was also a book where they made the Magic Mirror the Evil Queen's abusive father, and therefore the real villain of the story.
It's like they saw that one Cracked video and took it as gospel.
>Cracked
That moronic site went bankrupt but sure go ahead take lessons from them
>Magnifico got nip fanart
Kek no way Magnifiplush IS working!
Imagine the doujinshi, if Star had been a twink boy.
Dire Crowley >>> King Magnifico
Can be spoiler but i don't care.
Also he has a magic mirror so...
So if I understand correctly, the King can grant wishes, but everytime he grants one they forget they made the wish?
And he also decides whether or not he grants the wish or not?
Like, if I wish to be the best singer in the world, I become the best singer but I fofet that I ever made the wish to the king?
I don't get it
you misunderstood, they only forgot the wish while the wish hasn't been granted yet. Once the king grants the wish, they will remember it
Do they remember that they forget the wish?
You didn't understand correctly
You make a wish and give it to the king when you turn 18.
The king takes the wish and this makes you forget what it was but remember that you made a wish.
He chooses which wishes to grant with some he deems too dangerous or vague to grant. He keeps the wishes safe regardless but doesn't give them back.
Giving the wish away may or may not affect a person's personality. Asha's friend who gives away a wish supposedly got drowsier and 'boring' afterwards but most of the people in the city don't seem to be affected the same way.
It's pretty messy.
How does Asha know what her grandpa's wish was if he forgot?
She saw the wish first hand while being the Kings apprentice.(the wishes materialize as blue orbs with recordings of the wish in them)
Dude, just watch the movie if you want to question every little thing
I'm 31 minutes in
>Asha's friend who gives away a wish supposedly got drowsier and 'boring' afterwards
also he didn't look any different at the end of the movie when he got reunited with his face
Yeah, that's BS. He's supposed to be Sleepy, the dwarf from SnowWhite. He was always going to look tired. It was Grumpy who threw that boring line and he's an butthole to everybody.
No matter how hard I wish the world leaders just wont die. Disney is a shit stain of a corporation for giving everyone false hope.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how annoying was the goat?
I would say, around a 12, but the star was actually equally annoying
You can review the movie without mentioning the goat once and it changes nothing. It's completely irrelevant.
Also, they didn't even bother to do the eyes right. That shit pisses me off coming from a studio that sent people to Africa to study the animals for their movie.
>That shit pisses me off coming from a studio that sent people to Africa to study the animals for their movie.
lol apparently that gained knowledge wasn't used all that much
Yeah I don't think this clearly repurposed romantic duet works at all in the new context of singing to a bunch of glowy balls while mostly standing still. It feels a bit better when Asha is running towards her beloved Grandpappy's wish but for the other 99% of the song where they're singing towards a bunch of randos it falls flat.
I mean have you listened to the demo? "PROMISE as one does" initially was "LOVE YOU as one does"
The film even looks unimaginative. There's nothing going on with the visuals at all.
Well that was extremely generic. Is that supposed to be the best song in the movie?
The songs are so bad it legit makes me miss Encanto and Frozen
I didn't know how good we had it back then
Why can't the king grant his own wishes?
Because shut up
His wish was to have a new safe home and he monkey paw'd himself.
He's not some pussy-ass b***h who needs some mysterious omnipotent power to grant him what he wants. He didn't wish he knew magic, he fricking traveled the world to learn that shit. He didn't wish to have a kingdom, he built it himself.
because walt was a business man and not the creative “dreamer” type. He knows what’s best for his kingdom and he’s just a conduit. Those peasants would burn all the money and if they had their way!
Star Wars and marvel are in good hands. Anyone who says otherwise are ashapilled. Simple as
All that snark, but you are just going for the extreme opposite of what the movie was unironically saying.
From the moment they gave him a tragic backstory that explained his actions, he shouldn't end up being treated the same way like the classic disney villains
you know
>usurper that wished for a princess to be his sex slave
>usurper and a brother murderer that convinced his nephew he was responsible for his father's death
>evil sorceress putting a death curse on a baby for not being invited to her birthday party
Even at his worst, when he was possessed, he didn't become this vile.
So Asha is the villain right? She's an entitled brat who caused a revolution and doomed the Kingdom
She only wanted some special treatment. Was that too much to ask?
I would argue the Queen is. She sends Asha to the King, she participates in the rebellion, she has a way of reading the evil magic book, but doesn't tell her husband, places the shard with Magnifico into the dungeons, and takes over as the sole ruler of the country. The movie is essentially her performing a coup, while winning the favor of the people.
he lost
we will never know since no one watched that movie
A thought just fricking struck me. This is just The ones who walk away from Omelas in a different scenario
Would you give up your 'dream' to live in a magical nation where you can live comfortably? That's what's being presented here. And instead of anyone just, walking away, they dismantle it to fix a "corrupt" system
It almost feels like there was one writer who wanted it to go like this to give the movie actual meaning, but it got changed and washed so much they made the fricking Villain look like he did nothing wrong
>Would you give up your 'dream' to live in a magical nation where you can live comfortably? That's what's being presented here.
Here's the thing tho: Magnifico doesn't FORCE people to give up a wish to live in Rosas, people move into Rosas, many because of the possibility of the wish being granted, and once you're above 18, if you so want, you can give your wish to the event.
I'm still iffy about considering the wish shtick to be representative of a dream, since some where just banal stuff. One of the wishes was for a nanny for crying out loud.
On that note, Magnifico's way of handling wishing, specially on such a scale is by far the most responsible I recall seeing. How many wishgranters even put up a minimum age on who can wish?
Hell some, like the fairies in FoP outright place a "maximum age" on wish granting. And their mind erase is even more hardcore than Magnifico's too. Became an adult? Tough luck kiddo, your whole memory of your wishes, fairies and all of that is gone with a wand swing, no ifs or buts. If Asha got transported to that cartoon world she'd have a meltdown.
there's a lot missing that would better cement Magnifico as a tyrant. If you turned 18 and didn't have a wish, would you be kicked out of the city? Probably not, since Magnifico seems to want an equal in Asha without begging for stuff coloring their relationship.
I haven't watched it, are his flaws really only that he has an ego and that he won't grant every single wish?
>over 440 posts
>barely any lewds of the heroines
fricking Sisu from raya has more lewds than Asha and queen combined
Frick Asha, where are Magnifico lewds?
fricking homosexual have guaranteed lewds
I can't even get angry since every biowoman in that movie looks fricking bland
I've seen more anons lusting after Magnifico and the fricking talk goat than after Asha and the Queen, theyre simply that unlikeable.
We talked a bit about it.
Over Twitter
>Over Twitter
Post them
Blue board.
https://twitter.com/sleepyandrewllz/status/1727601882120765701
>jolly gee why hasn't generic brown sassy girlboss #9001 hasn't as much porn as the sexiest dragon ever made
I wonder why
what makes this dragon more or less sexy than other dragons
Big eyes and fluffy I presume.
She's voiced by Awkwafina, so you're contractually obligated to say she's hot despite the fact that she sounds like a 60 year old slag that gargles rock salt.
>the dragon got more porn than other characters
Welcome to the Internet
The true test is Asha numbers versus Raya numbers
>they are just references
Suuuuuuuuureeeeeeee
I don't see why they wouldn't be anything, but. Otherwise this means humans existed in the Zootopian universe.
how do you know they don't?
Zootopia would've been planet of the apes otherwise.
What? They could juest be a secret society or a world where animals are segregated from humans
It's crazy people think it is harmless references like how other Disney movies make other Disney cameos in the movies. Failing to realize that a one shot of Belle walking down the street in Hunchback is not the same as "HEY! REMEMBER ZOOTOPIA? I DO! LAUGH WITH US!"
>MCU collapsed
>What do we do now?
>I KNOW! Let's turn our old IPs into a cinematic universe!
This is obviously a joke but a part of me trembles knowing that it's not entirely impossible some exec actually had this thought.
Wish sounds like the protagonist being angry that a majority of people who play the lottery are losers even though they know the odds, then after getting a job at a bank, believes that they can simply print more money for everyone to have for free.
She isn't asking that the losers get their money back if they don't win at gambling, only that people should have the right to keep their dreams if there's no intention on granting them.
That's the same
The game is rigged so everyone who gambled should get their dream/money back. I kinda get it
Don't care, not watching it.
>He did nothing right either.
in fairness to those morons "men" watch "romance" anime
Romance was invented by men.
It makes you wonder how they can frick up something as unfrickup-able as capeshit in its prime. They tried to combined both the disney princess shit and capeshit demographics into one despite them being polar opposites. I guess their greed blinded their common sense.
Seems the movie will do well at the box office, so that's frustrating
Probably. It sucks but marketing works too well.
Hopefully word of mouth tanks it thou.
It got an A- cinemascore it's not probably not going to have good legs.
Damn double negatives, what did you actually mean by this?
*It's probably not going to have good legs
the extra not was a mistake
Encanto was releasing right in the middle of the pandemic, during the peak COVID season. The current estimates for Wish point towards a 26-28M 3-day opening, which is pretty shitty given its seemingly poor WOM. It currently has the lowest Cinemascore of all animated movies released this year, along with Ruby Gillman.
>The current estimates for Wish point towards a 26-28M 3-day
Didn't they expect 50M?
Over the 5-day Thanksgiving period. Right now it looks more like 36-40M. For comparison, Encanto did 40.5M over the same period.
It's a 4 day weekend with no other kid's movie around. We'll see how long it stays in number 1.
Trolls?
that's out this weekend too?
I feel bad for dreamworks if that's the case.
Wonder if he'll be mirror VA in Snow White
Yeah, in the past, they were at least good at making family oriented media that
could pretend it was for all demographics but they are so extremely gynocentric that it's a surprise that Minnie mouse isnt mascot at this point. Imagine spending billions to aquire traditionally male IPs to get that audience just to convert them to shit girl brands that not even the girls want. The funny/sad part is that men are still the biggest supporters for capeshit like the marvels while women would rather watch reality tv/true crime Netflix shows
Now I noticed something, Zootopia is racist against non-mammals.
Non-mammals arent even sapient in Zootopia so not really. The talking goat from this movie however is, since his wish specifically only allowed non-mammals in.
Yes, but there are sapient non-mammals in other Disney movies, so the goat is just racist.
The punishment is really over the top for the crime he committed in this movie.
Betrayed by your wife and locked up in a purgatory mirror.
The frick are they smoking over at disney?
So is this how we indoctrinate children into believing that white men will always be wrong no matter what they do, and black women being the oppressed ones who deserve to defeat the evil white guy for her to not be "oppressed" anymore and to fullfill their deranged wishes?
WHERE IS MY WISH BALLOON?
Rewatched The Emperor’s New Groove yesterday and it’s funny how for much of the movie Kuzco is a considerably worse person than Mags.
But TENG is aware of that, there's no confusion. Kuzco has character growth.