He was way fatter and way taller in the books. So fat, and so tall, that it didn’t even look like he was floating. He could pass off “walking”, which still looked awkward mind you, like a ballerina.
Black, I dont give a shit about gays, I'm literally saying that even if you are a pedo you like boys or girls, not both.
Although to be fair I have never met a pedophile in my life so I might be wrong.
Weren't they all femboys? Even the "prostitutes" in that one scene looked like twinks in geisha makeup. The straightest Harkonnen is Feyd, and even then it's questionable whether he had sex with a woman of his own free will.
I guess a Bene Gesserit could beat Paul in a physical duel, eh?
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Anonymous
I'm gonna just be flat out honest here. I have no fricking idea why anybody in the movie gives the Bene Gesserit the time of day, or why they're in the movie at all. My only assumption is that they're just constantly mind controlling everybody, because why not?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They can’t constantly mind control. People build up immunities to the Voice, which is a secret they keep hidden.
Otherwise, they’re just highly sensual women, preying on lonely horny noblemen.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay, but should it really be a secret from the audience? Either way, the whole immunity aspect seems kind of ambiguous in the lore, nevermind completely absent in the film. Like it's just some strength of character/will element that can't really be gauged, I.E. Gurney is presumed to be a difficult target, but not because he has any specific training or immunity from exposure.
Overall it just comes back down to: Why the frick was it in the movie at all? If you introduce a game-changing element like this, but don't explain it or its limitation, the audience is left to their imagination. So maybe edit it out, since it has no major purpose in the story being told anyway. The funniest fricking part of this is that it's used in a rewritten section, when Jessica forces Chani to save Paul. This is the only major part the Voice plays, and it's completely moronic and makes no sense.
It's like Denny Villy sabotaged his own screenplay. Either intentionally or by blatant incompetence and/or gaslighting by his cohorts.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
> but should it really be a secret from the audience?
You mean like everything else in the movie? People don’t even know what the ‘Humgurrrgurrr’ chant was all about. It’s a tonal drug.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The movie makes the Voice out to be some explicit mind control power, while in the books it’s a lot more subtle, more like what Margot was doing to Feyd. Everyone has a different tone. Everyone. A Bene Gesserit needs to study their target before interacting with them. This is why Margot observing Feyd fight was so important.
When it came to Jessica, she kind of just developed this ‘grrr, better use my scary voice’ personality, whenever anybody questioned her about anything. Not subtle at all.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Which sounds a hell of a lot cooler and actually contributes to the Bene Gesserit as an underground organization. It's a shame nobody will ever know why the hell they even wanted Feyd's genetic line.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
to be fair it is absolutely and completely moronic wanting to crisscross Harkonnen and Atreides bloodlines again and again
wouldnt be surprising if they ended up being fricking morons, but magic spice solves incest I guess
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>crisscross Harkonnen and Atreides bloodlines again and again
that's how you fixate desired traits, all animal breeders do it
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
European royalties showed they'd rather have defects from incest than lose power to commoners
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
To be fair the Lady Fenring pregnancy goes absolutely nowhere in the sequels
Like it's in the book but it's also something Frank Herbert clearly forgot about or didn't care enough to include, so it's a weird thing to keep in this movie when so many more important things were cut
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its mostly irrelevant at that point: the Kwisatz Haderach has already been born and it wont be controlled by the Bene Gesserit: having more potential candidates means there's also a chance for them to turn against the BG, and not all of them might be as patient as Paul who had a loving and caring mother.
Lets say you get another pseudo-Fenring or worse, another Alia and they're hellbent on taking down the BG because they end up having mommy issues due to the witches obsession with politicking.
Its a risk.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It becomes very relevant in the sequel when the BGs keep showing up to ask Paul to frick literally anybody besides Chani to keep the breeding program alive. I'm pretty sure there's also a big push for an Atreides-Corrino marriage from them in Children of Dune
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
My bad, my bad, I thought we were talking about movieshit.
It is weird, ngl. He IS what they wanted. I guess they never get out of the "we must breed" mentality.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
When Leto II becomes emperor he takes over the BG breeding program for his own purposes and most likely eliminates or utilizes the Feyd-Fenring offspring
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's pretty much my main, overarching complaint. I get needing to cut and edit shit around, even shifting timelines, removing entire characters/subplots, etc... but like damn my guy, write the story you settle on and have it make sense. Dune is a five hour film with 45 minutes of actual shit related to Paul's basic b***h storyline. If he had just worked with somebody who knew how to write, he could have adapted Dune and Messiah and been done with it. Maybe a God Emperor miniseries to follow.
But instead it's five hours. With four hours of disconnected filler. And no ending to any of it.
I hope Denny goes back to just directing dramatic thrillers. It's okay to try new things, but damn.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
But thats the whole point.
Denny has this fricking problem where he sees a good story and he thinks "yeah I can do it better".
And then, he rewrites it to suit his moronic political preference, hires a ton of superstars to bring people to the movie and spends a lot on visual shit that eventually amounts to "pretty but soulless"
and people fall for it. Thats the problem. Its like fricking triple A vidya: as long as its pretty and doesnt ruffle minorities's feathers then its a masterpiece.
I'm tired.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Bene Gesserit
As far as outsiders know they supply highly cultivated beautiful women to the rich and powerful with rumors of them being more than that circulating endlessly without being resolved. So aristocrats succumb to their charms anyway. And the elite ones can act as lie detectors which is valuable
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I find the Bene Gesserit plan of Paul having meant to been born a girl and then impregnated by Feyd Rautha to be extremely arousing
This is the only book fan art of the Baron to actually fricking piss me off whenever I look at it. It's fricking Miles O'Brien from Trek but bald and a bit fatter. So fricking stupid and annoying to look at.
These is sort of what I would have preferred for the new movies in terms of art design. By all means have these big brutalist/spartan castles and such, but actually fill the interiors with STUFF. Stuff that contrasts with all the concrete and brutalism by being made of rich wood and ornate, scrolls and paper almost as antiquities collections, etc. You'd see decent props AT TIMES but they were be a cool drop in isolation, surrounded otherwise by empty fricking space.
I always enjoyed this guy's interpretation of the Sardaukar. Frankly the best looking goons in the whole DUNC series so far were those Harkonnen guys in 2 that floated to the top of the clip. They definitely jobbed but they looked cool and had some presence to them, which the movie Sardaukar didn't have at all, with the slight exception being the meme'd intro scene of them with the throat singer
yeah this is really problematic actually, how is this any better than the homophobia of the 1984 version? the more i learn about this movie the more it sickens me.
He's a greedy hedonist who owns his own planet. You'd be obese, too. Hell, you already are and you don't have a tiny fraction of his wealth. Hit the track, fatty - your thread will be fine without you.
The movie never explained why he floats lol wtf is this shit
I thought he and Paul would have a psychic battle or something but he just gets low diffed and jobs
>there's still non-KH men in the setting with cool mind powers
Barely LMAO, the BG very rarely teach men the Voice, or the ability to control their bodies. They only offer their expensive services to noblewomen.
Too many plots, moronic audience wouldnt be able to keep up.
But actually the real reason is that they didnt want anyone that could be considered equal in importance to the zoomer niggress queen.
>Leto blows cyanide right in the fat frick's face >Everybody in the room instantly dies >Penguin survives by... floating to the ceiling?
I hate Denny's Dune so much it's unreal.
What's the difference if he barely survives or just survives? Doesn't make the scene any more or less moronic. He took the biggest whiff of instant death gas and survived. It had no impact, he shows up and in the next scene and is like "Eh, whatever." So now all tension is eradicated. That's all there is to it. >Killing a House Mentat is kinda a big deal
lol, lmao even. Denny killed the Atreides Mentat and nobody even mentioned it. Same with the Harkonnen's. You can say it's a big deal because in the book's mythology it is, and even comes with consequences, but this is Cinemaphile. The screenplays for Part One and Two make absolutely no sense and play out like a first draft. This fricking crap may as well have been written by George Lucas.
>dumps girlfriend for no reason >fighter who fights drugged slaves is somehow good at fighting >'bend like a reed' and poisoned blade removed >probably introduce the word weapons and spacing guild in third movie but doesn't make sense because the emperor is already defeated
dunc is so bad it's unreal
When after telling my tulpa to say my name to prove that she was listening to me I fell asleep, and then when I woke up I all of sudden heard "anon!" clear as day through my head.
I actually liked the GP stuff despite otherwise being very criticial of the DUNC art design (and, therefore, its world building), the score, and especially the fricking casting (re: changes like Alia, I don't mind them per say but reject the notion she could NEVER ever work on screen. I think that's bullshit and think you lack creativity if you look at Lynch/miniseries as definative proof it's impossible). Anyhow, I would read a small art work about the GP/Harkonnen shit. Mainly to find out whether stuff had an actual in-universe explanation that they conceived or if it was all artistic shit and, if so, what inspired those purely visual choices. Shit like the Baron's medical spheres, the gladiator guys in black with those wild helmets, why some of the GP people have fully black eyes, the paint they were putting on Feyd's torso, and on and on.
I was thinking the other day that they decided to add grotesque body modifications to the DUNC version mostly because portraying him as a fat man in floating suspenders would be offensive to modern American audiences.
neither did ur mom lmao
Damn, gottem
fibby bippy
He was way fatter and way taller in the books. So fat, and so tall, that it didn’t even look like he was floating. He could pass off “walking”, which still looked awkward mind you, like a ballerina.
rare photography of the Harkonnen wine cellar
That’s not a human being, is it?
My vintage. My champagne. MY BUBBLY!
What's his endgame?
I never brought into the whole 'royals = lizard people' but god damn...
Still in awe at the size of that lad.
Exquisite. A toast!
He's also a homosexual pedophile in the book but they didn't need to do that in the move. This is just being fatphobic.
>homosexual pedophile
Redundant sentence
You didn't need to be moronic either.
Why didn't they make him gay in the movie?
Because he wasn't gay in the books. He was a pedophile.
He had impure thoughts about his nephew and grandson Paul. Sometimes his servants would bring a drugged twink to his bedroom.
>source: not the books
He literally rapes a boy while fantasizing that it's Paul
Why even bother lying if you are this fricking bad at it?
What's the difference?
Yes.
Its part of his character: he's a gluttonous, voracious bastard that wants more and more and more.
Fa(g)tman is an accurate representation.
He was both. You can like boys or girls, and then after that you can be a pedophile.
>You can like boys or girls, and then after that you can be a pedophile.
I think you dropped this...
Black, I dont give a shit about gays, I'm literally saying that even if you are a pedo you like boys or girls, not both.
Although to be fair I have never met a pedophile in my life so I might be wrong.
Mental gymnastics
Same thing.
Same thing.
one of his slaves when he's taking a bath on Giedi prime is a femboy
Weren't they all femboys? Even the "prostitutes" in that one scene looked like twinks in geisha makeup. The straightest Harkonnen is Feyd, and even then it's questionable whether he had sex with a woman of his own free will.
The only reason Feyd “lost” to the witch is because he was interested in her, idiot.
How do you know?
Otherwise you’re basically saying “women > men”.
I guess a Bene Gesserit could beat Paul in a physical duel, eh?
I'm gonna just be flat out honest here. I have no fricking idea why anybody in the movie gives the Bene Gesserit the time of day, or why they're in the movie at all. My only assumption is that they're just constantly mind controlling everybody, because why not?
They can’t constantly mind control. People build up immunities to the Voice, which is a secret they keep hidden.
Otherwise, they’re just highly sensual women, preying on lonely horny noblemen.
Okay, but should it really be a secret from the audience? Either way, the whole immunity aspect seems kind of ambiguous in the lore, nevermind completely absent in the film. Like it's just some strength of character/will element that can't really be gauged, I.E. Gurney is presumed to be a difficult target, but not because he has any specific training or immunity from exposure.
Overall it just comes back down to: Why the frick was it in the movie at all? If you introduce a game-changing element like this, but don't explain it or its limitation, the audience is left to their imagination. So maybe edit it out, since it has no major purpose in the story being told anyway. The funniest fricking part of this is that it's used in a rewritten section, when Jessica forces Chani to save Paul. This is the only major part the Voice plays, and it's completely moronic and makes no sense.
It's like Denny Villy sabotaged his own screenplay. Either intentionally or by blatant incompetence and/or gaslighting by his cohorts.
> but should it really be a secret from the audience?
You mean like everything else in the movie? People don’t even know what the ‘Humgurrrgurrr’ chant was all about. It’s a tonal drug.
The movie makes the Voice out to be some explicit mind control power, while in the books it’s a lot more subtle, more like what Margot was doing to Feyd. Everyone has a different tone. Everyone. A Bene Gesserit needs to study their target before interacting with them. This is why Margot observing Feyd fight was so important.
When it came to Jessica, she kind of just developed this ‘grrr, better use my scary voice’ personality, whenever anybody questioned her about anything. Not subtle at all.
Which sounds a hell of a lot cooler and actually contributes to the Bene Gesserit as an underground organization. It's a shame nobody will ever know why the hell they even wanted Feyd's genetic line.
to be fair it is absolutely and completely moronic wanting to crisscross Harkonnen and Atreides bloodlines again and again
wouldnt be surprising if they ended up being fricking morons, but magic spice solves incest I guess
>crisscross Harkonnen and Atreides bloodlines again and again
that's how you fixate desired traits, all animal breeders do it
European royalties showed they'd rather have defects from incest than lose power to commoners
To be fair the Lady Fenring pregnancy goes absolutely nowhere in the sequels
Like it's in the book but it's also something Frank Herbert clearly forgot about or didn't care enough to include, so it's a weird thing to keep in this movie when so many more important things were cut
Its mostly irrelevant at that point: the Kwisatz Haderach has already been born and it wont be controlled by the Bene Gesserit: having more potential candidates means there's also a chance for them to turn against the BG, and not all of them might be as patient as Paul who had a loving and caring mother.
Lets say you get another pseudo-Fenring or worse, another Alia and they're hellbent on taking down the BG because they end up having mommy issues due to the witches obsession with politicking.
Its a risk.
It becomes very relevant in the sequel when the BGs keep showing up to ask Paul to frick literally anybody besides Chani to keep the breeding program alive. I'm pretty sure there's also a big push for an Atreides-Corrino marriage from them in Children of Dune
My bad, my bad, I thought we were talking about movieshit.
It is weird, ngl. He IS what they wanted. I guess they never get out of the "we must breed" mentality.
When Leto II becomes emperor he takes over the BG breeding program for his own purposes and most likely eliminates or utilizes the Feyd-Fenring offspring
That's pretty much my main, overarching complaint. I get needing to cut and edit shit around, even shifting timelines, removing entire characters/subplots, etc... but like damn my guy, write the story you settle on and have it make sense. Dune is a five hour film with 45 minutes of actual shit related to Paul's basic b***h storyline. If he had just worked with somebody who knew how to write, he could have adapted Dune and Messiah and been done with it. Maybe a God Emperor miniseries to follow.
But instead it's five hours. With four hours of disconnected filler. And no ending to any of it.
I hope Denny goes back to just directing dramatic thrillers. It's okay to try new things, but damn.
But thats the whole point.
Denny has this fricking problem where he sees a good story and he thinks "yeah I can do it better".
And then, he rewrites it to suit his moronic political preference, hires a ton of superstars to bring people to the movie and spends a lot on visual shit that eventually amounts to "pretty but soulless"
and people fall for it. Thats the problem. Its like fricking triple A vidya: as long as its pretty and doesnt ruffle minorities's feathers then its a masterpiece.
I'm tired.
>Bene Gesserit
As far as outsiders know they supply highly cultivated beautiful women to the rich and powerful with rumors of them being more than that circulating endlessly without being resolved. So aristocrats succumb to their charms anyway. And the elite ones can act as lie detectors which is valuable
I find the Bene Gesserit plan of Paul having meant to been born a girl and then impregnated by Feyd Rautha to be extremely arousing
Chani + Irulan don't really have curves either. No woman in DUNC is a traditionally curvy femme.
Can fatties actually get that veiny? I thought they'd be buried under all the fat
>bald = evil
enough of this tired trope
Bald frick, detected
even bald people secretly except that the only way for them to get ahead is to become evil.
Hes also very gay
>he didn't need to have his character's #1 defining physical trait
>order a massive takeout
>eat it like a pig whilst puffing from vape
>i have become the baron harkonnen
So you would be fine with movies changing the physical appearance of book characters?
This is the only book fan art of the Baron to actually fricking piss me off whenever I look at it. It's fricking Miles O'Brien from Trek but bald and a bit fatter. So fricking stupid and annoying to look at.
Eh I don’t mind it
I like this one. He sort of looks like he enjoys being evil and really theatrical whilst still looking quite malicious.
These is sort of what I would have preferred for the new movies in terms of art design. By all means have these big brutalist/spartan castles and such, but actually fill the interiors with STUFF. Stuff that contrasts with all the concrete and brutalism by being made of rich wood and ornate, scrolls and paper almost as antiquities collections, etc. You'd see decent props AT TIMES but they were be a cool drop in isolation, surrounded otherwise by empty fricking space.
My favorite art of baron harkonnen, remind me the artist?
Official art will always be the best
I always enjoyed this guy's interpretation of the Sardaukar. Frankly the best looking goons in the whole DUNC series so far were those Harkonnen guys in 2 that floated to the top of the clip. They definitely jobbed but they looked cool and had some presence to them, which the movie Sardaukar didn't have at all, with the slight exception being the meme'd intro scene of them with the throat singer
Colm Meaney would be a good casting choice for Baron H.
how many times are you going to make the same thread
yeah this is really problematic actually, how is this any better than the homophobia of the 1984 version? the more i learn about this movie the more it sickens me.
The movie is also unashamedly pro-feminism so frick you
>main character’s mother has sentient fetus
this film is clearly pro-choice and therefore perpetuates anti-feminist misogyny
He's a greedy hedonist who owns his own planet. You'd be obese, too. Hell, you already are and you don't have a tiny fraction of his wealth. Hit the track, fatty - your thread will be fine without you.
muh spice
muh arrakis
muh dune
Not sure why he was in the movie at all.
The movie never explained why he floats lol wtf is this shit
I thought he and Paul would have a psychic battle or something but he just gets low diffed and jobs
I fricking hate zoomers
………..
Nope. Only women and ONE (1) male get access to cool psychic shit. Das right, the Spice is Female.
Count Fenring had some cool psychic mind shit going on
Not a true Reverend Father. Sorry. Men can’t pass the Water of Life.
Well yeah I never said he was another Kwisatz Haderach but there's still non-KH men in the setting with cool mind powers
>there's still non-KH men in the setting with cool mind powers
Barely LMAO, the BG very rarely teach men the Voice, or the ability to control their bodies. They only offer their expensive services to noblewomen.
I am so fricking mad they left the “genetic eunuch” out of the movie. What the FRICK were they thinking?
Too many plots, moronic audience wouldnt be able to keep up.
But actually the real reason is that they didnt want anyone that could be considered equal in importance to the zoomer niggress queen.
>Leto blows cyanide right in the fat frick's face
>Everybody in the room instantly dies
>Penguin survives by... floating to the ceiling?
I hate Denny's Dune so much it's unreal.
He barely survives. And Leto killed the Baron's mentat. Killing a house mentat is kinda a big deal.
That's cool. I wish the movies told us this or mentioned what a Mentat is in any fricking way.
And cut shots of vague visions or sand dunes? are you stupid?
What's the difference if he barely survives or just survives? Doesn't make the scene any more or less moronic. He took the biggest whiff of instant death gas and survived. It had no impact, he shows up and in the next scene and is like "Eh, whatever." So now all tension is eradicated. That's all there is to it.
>Killing a House Mentat is kinda a big deal
lol, lmao even. Denny killed the Atreides Mentat and nobody even mentioned it. Same with the Harkonnen's. You can say it's a big deal because in the book's mythology it is, and even comes with consequences, but this is Cinemaphile. The screenplays for Part One and Two make absolutely no sense and play out like a first draft. This fricking crap may as well have been written by George Lucas.
>a slow blade penetrates the shield
>tons of fast paced sword fighting
>dumps girlfriend for no reason
>fighter who fights drugged slaves is somehow good at fighting
>'bend like a reed' and poisoned blade removed
>probably introduce the word weapons and spacing guild in third movie but doesn't make sense because the emperor is already defeated
dunc is so bad it's unreal
That's like the ONE thing DUNC got right about him.
What was the moment you knew when your tulpa was sentient?
haven't had a moment yet. maybe i did but i forgot. she always says she's real and to never doubt that she's not so ill just take that
When after telling my tulpa to say my name to prove that she was listening to me I fell asleep, and then when I woke up I all of sudden heard "anon!" clear as day through my head.
why did they make the bad guys finnish? thats not cool
Don't mind me - superior Baron just floating by to mog your shit thread.
>You never met Harkonnens before. I have. They are not human. They're gingers!
What the frick was even the point of this scene?
it hints at gurney's backstory. he comes from giedi prime.
>rip off the Giger designs but make it lame
ugh
Did you guys picked up the "Black Sun" that orbits Giedi Prime? Real subtle there Penis.
I actually liked the GP stuff despite otherwise being very criticial of the DUNC art design (and, therefore, its world building), the score, and especially the fricking casting (re: changes like Alia, I don't mind them per say but reject the notion she could NEVER ever work on screen. I think that's bullshit and think you lack creativity if you look at Lynch/miniseries as definative proof it's impossible). Anyhow, I would read a small art work about the GP/Harkonnen shit. Mainly to find out whether stuff had an actual in-universe explanation that they conceived or if it was all artistic shit and, if so, what inspired those purely visual choices. Shit like the Baron's medical spheres, the gladiator guys in black with those wild helmets, why some of the GP people have fully black eyes, the paint they were putting on Feyd's torso, and on and on.
he was a bit too much on the comedic side. not that vlad was above a good pun in the novel, but still.
I was thinking the other day that they decided to add grotesque body modifications to the DUNC version mostly because portraying him as a fat man in floating suspenders would be offensive to modern American audiences.
Stellan is not a good actor. And his sons should have given him language lessons so i don’t hear the swedish so clearly in everything he say
Shut up moron
Nobody NEEDS to be fat, but sadly some people are, much to everyone else’s disgust.
Wasn't he fat because of some BG disease? Or was that some House trilogy nonsense blending together for me?
he was grotesque as a ploy to get everyone to underestimate him as a venal degenerate.
Some fictional characters have slower metabolisms and can't help it.
yes he did fat people are gross