The mr pink threads are dumb because it's just anons wringing their hands going 'DO AMERICANS REAAAAAALLY?!" for the 999th time. How many times can you say the same thing before it drives you crazy?
In some states employers can pay waiters less than minimum as long as tips make up the difference. Start by repealing asinine laws like that.
Then raise minimum wage.
Tipping is one of those things where North America unironically should just do what Europe does: tip only if the service was really something special, but not getting tipped doesn't frick the waiter.
That creates the conundrum of great waiters potentially not feeling special because they're not tipped, or worse, waiters abusing it by creating "problems" so they can solve them, earning false respect from the customer.
The real answer is to frick off with tipping. Make like Japan and have it be considered insulting. The overarching issue is that people in general are just c**ts who think respect has to be arbitrarily earned on an ambiguous, relative scale, rather than just assumed and then potentially lost.
If nobody gives a frick about anybody unless they pull a rabbit out of their ass you're destined for a culture of douchebags with high expectations, which ironically produces the worst societies that eventually lowers its expectations and praises lesser morons just for not being full-blown morons.
>The overarching issue is that people in general are just c**ts who think respect has to be arbitrarily earned on an ambiguous, relative scale, rather than just assumed and then potentially lost.
You've given me a lot to think about.
Wrong, you dumbfrick moron.
The minimum wage should be ZERO.
My wage is none of your fricking business, and you're barring low-skill workers from employment.
Besides the friends part, I do do that. I am also 38 and moved out of my parents house over 20yrs ago. Athough I do talk to them almost daily, they're both 70 and I cherish the time I can visit with them.
Is it true that in America when you're sitted at the table the waiter tells you his name and you have to remember it and if you don't give him extra money at the end he spits in your food?
They might tell you their name, no you don't have to remember it, the spitting in food is an urban legend thing but they will dislike you if you don't tip yes. It's considered obligatory, even if the service wasn't exemplary.
Greedy restaurant owners use it to cause a rift between customer and wageslave, rather than it backfiring on the wealthy overlord who embezzles wages.
It's genius because often the owner is not even on the premises, who can they b***h at other than the poor wageslave?
first part no, second part you already have your food, you pay after, so also no
but if you're rude as hell or openly talk about how you won't tip, it's possible. kitchen staff are basically made up of druggies, dropouts, ex-convicts, and illegals so probably not a good idea to insult them before you get all your food
>NOOOO U HAVE TO PAY ME EXTRA FOR DOING MY JOB BECAUSE MY BOSS DOESN'T PAY ME ENOUGH EVEN THOUGH I'M WILLINGLY WORKING HERE
How did the restaurant industry successfully guilt consumers into paying the owners for being cheap asses?
Well yeah as long as he pays for his food. Which is what he went for. Do you tip your shoe salesman for bringing you the shoes?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sales is not the same as service. Service workers (waiters) do not earn a guaranteed commission for their work, which rather ironically does include many sales-related elements. I don't think you could have picked a worse analogue.
Also you can tip salesmen, though it has become increasingly less of a standard practice as, you guessed it, base salary and commissions have been increasingly emphasized. Which are all what? Factors determined by negotiations between the employer and employee, with variables determined by objective performance, and not exclusively subjective circumstance.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Again, let the employers pay their staff. Why should a customer be paying for his meal AND the staff. Yeah you can tip your shoe guy if you feel like it like you should tip your waitress only if you feel like it. It shouldn't be standard practice. Just like pink says you don't tip ar McDonald's, why should you be pressured to tip a guy because his employer is not paying him right.
I don't understand why America puts the pressure on customers in restaurants to tip their waiters because their wages aren't enough. Shouldn't you be reporting these shit wages to the US government or something? I'm not American obviously
It still shouldn't be the customers' problem, right? We just tip the waiters here in my country if their service was really good and not because we're obligated to
>Be customer >Go to restaurant >45 minute wait for a table >Two of the staff called out >Waiters on the clock have to cover for them, even the host/hostess taking on responsibilities >>WTF? My waiter hasn't checked up on me in over 10 minutes? No tip for you
Brilliant system
>standing at food court >cashier says that large soda and burger will be $14.36 >rotates iPad to me >"would you like to add a tip?" >30%, 25%, 20%, Custom >cashier is staring a hole in the screen while I choose
I used to work as a server and I myself acknowledge how fricking stupid tipping can be. I also went in one time to get some food, didn’t tip, and left them a shitty review. Frick those people.
Japan is right about tipping
The mr pink threads are dumb because it's just anons wringing their hands going 'DO AMERICANS REAAAAAALLY?!" for the 999th time. How many times can you say the same thing before it drives you crazy?
I bet you tip
>t, waiter
Imagine begging your customers for extra cash your whole life.
Tipping should be banned.
In some states employers can pay waiters less than minimum as long as tips make up the difference. Start by repealing asinine laws like that.
Then raise minimum wage.
Tipping is one of those things where North America unironically should just do what Europe does: tip only if the service was really something special, but not getting tipped doesn't frick the waiter.
That creates the conundrum of great waiters potentially not feeling special because they're not tipped, or worse, waiters abusing it by creating "problems" so they can solve them, earning false respect from the customer.
The real answer is to frick off with tipping. Make like Japan and have it be considered insulting. The overarching issue is that people in general are just c**ts who think respect has to be arbitrarily earned on an ambiguous, relative scale, rather than just assumed and then potentially lost.
If nobody gives a frick about anybody unless they pull a rabbit out of their ass you're destined for a culture of douchebags with high expectations, which ironically produces the worst societies that eventually lowers its expectations and praises lesser morons just for not being full-blown morons.
>The overarching issue is that people in general are just c**ts who think respect has to be arbitrarily earned on an ambiguous, relative scale, rather than just assumed and then potentially lost.
You've given me a lot to think about.
Wrong, you dumbfrick moron.
The minimum wage should be ZERO.
My wage is none of your fricking business, and you're barring low-skill workers from employment.
>and you're barring low-skill workers from employment.
he was and still is right.
BUT THEY LIVE OFF THOSE TIPS
Not my problem, send a bill to the owner who is buying a yacht.
>implying you eat at restaurants
>implying you have friends
>implying you even leave your parents' house
LMAO
Besides the friends part, I do do that. I am also 38 and moved out of my parents house over 20yrs ago. Athough I do talk to them almost daily, they're both 70 and I cherish the time I can visit with them.
Is it true that in America when you're sitted at the table the waiter tells you his name and you have to remember it and if you don't give him extra money at the end he spits in your food?
They might tell you their name, no you don't have to remember it, the spitting in food is an urban legend thing but they will dislike you if you don't tip yes. It's considered obligatory, even if the service wasn't exemplary.
Do Americans really?
Tipping is a societal mental illness. Nobody here has ever tipped because they wanted to.
Greedy restaurant owners use it to cause a rift between customer and wageslave, rather than it backfiring on the wealthy overlord who embezzles wages.
It's genius because often the owner is not even on the premises, who can they b***h at other than the poor wageslave?
first part no, second part you already have your food, you pay after, so also no
but if you're rude as hell or openly talk about how you won't tip, it's possible. kitchen staff are basically made up of druggies, dropouts, ex-convicts, and illegals so probably not a good idea to insult them before you get all your food
The idea that you're not going to garnish someone's wages should be considered an insult is insane.
>NOOOO U HAVE TO PAY ME EXTRA FOR DOING MY JOB BECAUSE MY BOSS DOESN'T PAY ME ENOUGH EVEN THOUGH I'M WILLINGLY WORKING HERE
How did the restaurant industry successfully guilt consumers into paying the owners for being cheap asses?
It's a Stockholm Syndrome situation.
you're incentivizing them not to spit in your food
if you can afford to eat out you can afford to tip. it's that simple
He's right though
>I don't tip, except when I do
What did he mean by this?
It's for doing on a whim if you liked the person who served you.
So if a waiter gets the impression that a customer doesn't like them right off the bat, why should they continue to serve you?
Because it is their JOB
To serve a perceived non-paying customer?
Well yeah as long as he pays for his food. Which is what he went for. Do you tip your shoe salesman for bringing you the shoes?
Sales is not the same as service. Service workers (waiters) do not earn a guaranteed commission for their work, which rather ironically does include many sales-related elements. I don't think you could have picked a worse analogue.
Also you can tip salesmen, though it has become increasingly less of a standard practice as, you guessed it, base salary and commissions have been increasingly emphasized. Which are all what? Factors determined by negotiations between the employer and employee, with variables determined by objective performance, and not exclusively subjective circumstance.
Again, let the employers pay their staff. Why should a customer be paying for his meal AND the staff. Yeah you can tip your shoe guy if you feel like it like you should tip your waitress only if you feel like it. It shouldn't be standard practice. Just like pink says you don't tip ar McDonald's, why should you be pressured to tip a guy because his employer is not paying him right.
I don't understand why America puts the pressure on customers in restaurants to tip their waiters because their wages aren't enough. Shouldn't you be reporting these shit wages to the US government or something? I'm not American obviously
Look at the streets lined with fent addicts, stretching miles at a time and then ask again if you think the Government would care about low wages.
It still shouldn't be the customers' problem, right? We just tip the waiters here in my country if their service was really good and not because we're obligated to
DO AMERICANS REAAAAAALLY?!
>Be customer
>Go to restaurant
>45 minute wait for a table
>Two of the staff called out
>Waiters on the clock have to cover for them, even the host/hostess taking on responsibilities
>>WTF? My waiter hasn't checked up on me in over 10 minutes? No tip for you
Brilliant system
>standing at food court
>cashier says that large soda and burger will be $14.36
>rotates iPad to me
>"would you like to add a tip?"
>30%, 25%, 20%, Custom
>cashier is staring a hole in the screen while I choose
>pick custom
>$0.01
I used to work as a server and I myself acknowledge how fricking stupid tipping can be. I also went in one time to get some food, didn’t tip, and left them a shitty review. Frick those people.