>make a deal with evil wizard to save wife >wife gone >still working for evil wizard >aknowledge you are wrong several times and hate yourself >still work for evil wizard for absolutely no reason, no money, no privilege nothing
Because there is nothing else. His self pity tells him its what he deserves while gleefully indulging in death and fear. The moment he pulls himself out of his own butthole is when he realizes how wrong he was.
If I were him, I would being training a secret apprentice that would kill the Emperor for me when the time is right.
Maybe give him a quirky robot buddy or something.
Or you could have just DP'd the Emperor instead...
2 years ago
Anonymous
Come to think of it - you think that Starkiller and Mara Jade ever bumped into each other during their routines in the Imperial palace?
That would be awkward.
2 years ago
Anonymous
mara was never canon
2 years ago
Anonymous
Neither was Starkiller, so my question still stands.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Zahn trilogy not canon
WUT
According to who? Disney execs?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Starkiller was with Vader, he was hidden from the Emperor, so where would he meet Mara Jade?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They both fight over a parking spot when arriving to the death star. "THIS IS MY SECRET PARKING SPOT WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE!?" Sith energy for days.
>still working for evil wizard >aknowledge you are wrong several times and hate yourself
They went too far with this. His actions in The Empire Strikes Back, in light of the events of The Return of the Jedi, were an attempt to escape slavery to evil, but his means were evil. He wanted to be free but without changing his evil ways (suffering a cost), which is why he failed. If he's acknowleding his mistakes, then he's already beyond the error he makes in ESB
I love how Star Wars retconned almost everything about it's solid old lore in the sequels and expanded canon with almost every single retcon making no sense or missing the point of the scene
To be fair, Legends did show Vaders human side coming out in rare moments, examples being Clone Pilot Contrail and lieutenant Erv Lekauf, both men had the highest Respect from Vader, with Lekauf being the closest thing the dark lord had to a friend, both men sacrificed themselves to save Vader, Lekauf survived while Contrail didint.
>If you were to serve under my command, would you ever disobey an order?" >Yes, sir, but only if it helped you to live longer.
Contrail and Vader
This. If you only watch the OT without supplemental material, Vader’s an evil dude that only turns when he sees Luke break the cycle. >First movie he’s entirely dead set on ending the rebels no matter what, and has no qualms with Tarkin destroying worlds. >Second movie focuses on Luke Skywalker, but ultimately his goal is to otherthrow the Emperor specifically so they can take over, not to do anything than garner more power. >Third movie has Vader’s bravado start to chip when Luke begins trying to reason with him, but Vader still attempts to prove that Palpatine’s right. Then when he sees Luke completely reject the Dark Side, he finally understands that he can still make a decision in the now and saves his son.
I never took Vader as someone who wallows in self pity, just a good man who became a cold blooded killer, but right at the ends decided to do one last good act.
>just a good man who became a cold blooded killer, but right at the ends decided to do one last good act.
good men don't kill children with a lightsaber or force break their necks.
They also establish in the prequels several times that Anakin is anti-democracy. He kept seeing the senate never get anything done with their bickering and kept going "It would work better if someone just took charge". So he was always for the concept of the Empire and was basically like "Well I'd rather it was ME in charge but I can't take Palpatine in this shit robot suit so I'll just wait for an opportunity"
You would have a point if he wasn't talking about how he's dead inside, hate himself, lost all hope, made the galaxy worse, is constantly making deals with the mafia etc
>still work for evil wizard for absolutely no reason, no money, no privilege nothing >no money >no privilege
He is one of the most powerful people in the galaxy for over twenty years. He has a massive castle and gets the largest Star Destroyer even build. He gains command of the entire Imperial military. He has legal impunity for even the most heinous crimes. That is a lot of money and a lot of privilege.
He's a slave working 20 hours per day for free like a mindless robot, being send to follow the orders of random officers like Tarkin, even Grievous and Dooku were allowed to have some luxury and autonomy unlike him, the Emperor was shown barely tolerating him doing anything for personal reasons.
> its almost like he was dumb looking cyborg that was retconned into being the galaxies most important person
the force has a funny way of restoring balance, by making its savior a psycho with anger issues. Literally they would have had a better chance if anakin wasn't there to frick things up
I can't get over this.
This is so painfully realistic it can't not be canon.
Imagine being Darth Vader in this moment.
Imagine realizing you went from being a shitty moody teenager who threw away his life and went insane for nothing to a half-living machine who functions entirely off of rage and then seeing this fat b***h treat you like some sort of fricking god.
This is what you get. This is the price of the Dark Side. >I gave up plowing a princess for this
HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE. HE WAS TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS >the jedi have been so successful and garnered so much power the literally eradicated the race called "Sith" >have been the guiding hand in an inter-galactic military and supported multiple governments >did everything within their power to keep the dark side and dark forces in weak state >tables get flipped so rapidly that jedi are exiled and hunted to near extinction
It has never been balanced lmao
lol even
>The dark side is a cancer upon it
that's basic jedi thinking. dark side is just another part of the force that should be analysed and practised as it's not evil in the sense that jedi would think, but just an unknown part of it. there is no true balance concerning the force as there will be always someone who would discover it's true potential and try to harness it for himself/herself like rakatans regardless whether sith or jedi exists or not. getting to control the force means mastering both light and the dark side. that's why palpie has a better understanding of it more than any other jedi in the galaxy.
And that's why SW will always remain as a movie for children.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that's basic jedi thinking
It is the thesis of the original movies.
>The dark side is a cancer upon it
that's basic jedi thinking. dark side is just another part of the force that should be analysed and practised as it's not evil in the sense that jedi would think, but just an unknown part of it. there is no true balance concerning the force as there will be always someone who would discover it's true potential and try to harness it for himself/herself like rakatans regardless whether sith or jedi exists or not. getting to control the force means mastering both light and the dark side. that's why palpie has a better understanding of it more than any other jedi in the galaxy.
>It has never been balanced
moronic edgelord take. The force is a universal life energy of sorts. The dark side is a cancer upon it.
HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE. HE WAS TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS >the jedi have been so successful and garnered so much power the literally eradicated the race called "Sith" >have been the guiding hand in an inter-galactic military and supported multiple governments >did everything within their power to keep the dark side and dark forces in weak state >tables get flipped so rapidly that jedi are exiled and hunted to near extinction
It has never been balanced lmao
lol even
the force is karmic. karma is the issue here. take karma out, you get a universe closer to ours but that means the bad guys can win all the time. so you better pay attention to politics and read karl marx
it's not for kids, it's for adults. but those who own the copyright want it to be for kids because to take sw seriously necessitates political stories, and educating the working class contraindicates the interests of those who own the IP
>sith and jedi both existed as independent factions in the past >sith faction got destroyed and jedi began to push their own dogmatic new age californian zen bullshit for thousands of years >anakin finally destroys jedi order and end their hegemony over the interpretation of the force >he also destroys the last surviving sith after a couple of decades >all that's left is a broken son who's neither jedi nor a sith despite how much he describes himself as one
It looks balanced to me.
How do I quit cold turkey on star wars bros, I know I should stop being in this abusive relationship but I keep remembering and revisiting all the pre-dishit star wars and watching star wars channels and I need to stop hurting myself...
It doesn't matter cause filoni retroactively taints them with his Clone Wars RTOS makes no sense if he shoehorns Ashoka involvement in it and the people in the film never mentions it.
Guess what, Cinemaphile! You're going to learn to use a lightsaber!
Would you rather have Yoda teach you Ataru, Obi-Wan teach you Soresu, Anakin teach you Djem So, Dooku teach you Makashi, Kit Fisto teach you Shii-Cho, or Mace teach you Vaapad?
You can only choose one to become "above average" in, and you have to choose wisely! The evil Darth Sidious is going to kill you if you can't last 60 seconds in a duel with him!
and saved billions
And had anal sex with trillions
This.
Also Tarkin ordered the Death Star's destruction.
>make a deal with evil wizard to save wife
>wife gone
>still working for evil wizard
>aknowledge you are wrong several times and hate yourself
>still work for evil wizard for absolutely no reason, no money, no privilege nothing
Because there is nothing else. His self pity tells him its what he deserves while gleefully indulging in death and fear. The moment he pulls himself out of his own butthole is when he realizes how wrong he was.
>something something dark side
What else was he supposed to do? It's not like he could take Sheev 1v1.
If I were him, I would being training a secret apprentice that would kill the Emperor for me when the time is right.
Maybe give him a quirky robot buddy or something.
Sounds like a great idea. Then when the Emperor shows up, you stab the apprentice in the back and toss him out to space because you're a pussy.
It's fine, because in case said apprentice tries to rebel or something, you have entire army of his clones at your disposal.
Or you could have just DP'd the Emperor instead...
Come to think of it - you think that Starkiller and Mara Jade ever bumped into each other during their routines in the Imperial palace?
That would be awkward.
mara was never canon
Neither was Starkiller, so my question still stands.
>Zahn trilogy not canon
WUT
According to who? Disney execs?
Starkiller was with Vader, he was hidden from the Emperor, so where would he meet Mara Jade?
>They both fight over a parking spot when arriving to the death star. "THIS IS MY SECRET PARKING SPOT WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE!?" Sith energy for days.
I don't know, what if he just sides with the Emperor because Vader is bad at making people like him?
>>make a deal with evil wizard to save wife
>>wife gone
>think about wife
>still working for evil wizard
>aknowledge you are wrong several times and hate yourself
They went too far with this. His actions in The Empire Strikes Back, in light of the events of The Return of the Jedi, were an attempt to escape slavery to evil, but his means were evil. He wanted to be free but without changing his evil ways (suffering a cost), which is why he failed. If he's acknowleding his mistakes, then he's already beyond the error he makes in ESB
I love how Star Wars retconned almost everything about it's solid old lore in the sequels and expanded canon with almost every single retcon making no sense or missing the point of the scene
To be fair, Legends did show Vaders human side coming out in rare moments, examples being Clone Pilot Contrail and lieutenant Erv Lekauf, both men had the highest Respect from Vader, with Lekauf being the closest thing the dark lord had to a friend, both men sacrificed themselves to save Vader, Lekauf survived while Contrail didint.
>If you were to serve under my command, would you ever disobey an order?"
>Yes, sir, but only if it helped you to live longer.
Contrail and Vader
Before Disney fricked it up with the comics, Palpatine was his only friend and confidant.
This is false, the shit I just mentioned was from legends.
This. If you only watch the OT without supplemental material, Vader’s an evil dude that only turns when he sees Luke break the cycle.
>First movie he’s entirely dead set on ending the rebels no matter what, and has no qualms with Tarkin destroying worlds.
>Second movie focuses on Luke Skywalker, but ultimately his goal is to otherthrow the Emperor specifically so they can take over, not to do anything than garner more power.
>Third movie has Vader’s bravado start to chip when Luke begins trying to reason with him, but Vader still attempts to prove that Palpatine’s right. Then when he sees Luke completely reject the Dark Side, he finally understands that he can still make a decision in the now and saves his son.
I never took Vader as someone who wallows in self pity, just a good man who became a cold blooded killer, but right at the ends decided to do one last good act.
>just a good man who became a cold blooded killer, but right at the ends decided to do one last good act.
good men don't kill children with a lightsaber or force break their necks.
They also establish in the prequels several times that Anakin is anti-democracy. He kept seeing the senate never get anything done with their bickering and kept going "It would work better if someone just took charge". So he was always for the concept of the Empire and was basically like "Well I'd rather it was ME in charge but I can't take Palpatine in this shit robot suit so I'll just wait for an opportunity"
You would have a point if he wasn't talking about how he's dead inside, hate himself, lost all hope, made the galaxy worse, is constantly making deals with the mafia etc
>still work for evil wizard for absolutely no reason, no money, no privilege nothing
>no money
>no privilege
He is one of the most powerful people in the galaxy for over twenty years. He has a massive castle and gets the largest Star Destroyer even build. He gains command of the entire Imperial military. He has legal impunity for even the most heinous crimes. That is a lot of money and a lot of privilege.
He's a slave working 20 hours per day for free like a mindless robot, being send to follow the orders of random officers like Tarkin, even Grievous and Dooku were allowed to have some luxury and autonomy unlike him, the Emperor was shown barely tolerating him doing anything for personal reasons.
He doesn’t have a dick anymore what else is he gonna do with his time beyond work?
> its almost like he was dumb looking cyborg that was retconned into being the galaxies most important person
the force has a funny way of restoring balance, by making its savior a psycho with anger issues. Literally they would have had a better chance if anakin wasn't there to frick things up
What drove him to keep being evil was power and his goal of ruling the galaxy.
The slave becomes the slaver.
to save Morbillions
Except for one quirky lesbian that keeps eluding him.
i hate dr aphra
i hate her so much
He was just sad, ok?
Daddy.
>Daddy ack-
She’s fat. I would have done the same.
Not me, I would've raped then killed her 😀
I can't get over this.
This is so painfully realistic it can't not be canon.
Imagine being Darth Vader in this moment.
Imagine realizing you went from being a shitty moody teenager who threw away his life and went insane for nothing to a half-living machine who functions entirely off of rage and then seeing this fat b***h treat you like some sort of fricking god.
This is what you get. This is the price of the Dark Side.
>I gave up plowing a princess for this
*plowing a queen
I can't imagine he'd waste drawing his saber on her though. Just crush her throat with a force choke.
I read Minions.
Those are rookie numbers.
>He killed millions.
To save trillions and preserve a human galaxy.
He killed parrots
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Why did obi wan love him so much?
HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE. HE WAS TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS
>the jedi have been so successful and garnered so much power the literally eradicated the race called "Sith"
>have been the guiding hand in an inter-galactic military and supported multiple governments
>did everything within their power to keep the dark side and dark forces in weak state
>tables get flipped so rapidly that jedi are exiled and hunted to near extinction
It has never been balanced lmao
lol even
>It has never been balanced
moronic edgelord take. The force is a universal life energy of sorts. The dark side is a cancer upon it.
Maybe real balance can only be achieved by killing the force
>The dark side is a cancer upon it
that's basic jedi thinking. dark side is just another part of the force that should be analysed and practised as it's not evil in the sense that jedi would think, but just an unknown part of it. there is no true balance concerning the force as there will be always someone who would discover it's true potential and try to harness it for himself/herself like rakatans regardless whether sith or jedi exists or not. getting to control the force means mastering both light and the dark side. that's why palpie has a better understanding of it more than any other jedi in the galaxy.
>that's basic jedi thinking
It is the thesis of the original movies.
And that's why SW will always remain as a movie for children.
the force is karmic. karma is the issue here. take karma out, you get a universe closer to ours but that means the bad guys can win all the time. so you better pay attention to politics and read karl marx
it's not for kids, it's for adults. but those who own the copyright want it to be for kids because to take sw seriously necessitates political stories, and educating the working class contraindicates the interests of those who own the IP
>sith and jedi both existed as independent factions in the past
>sith faction got destroyed and jedi began to push their own dogmatic new age californian zen bullshit for thousands of years
>anakin finally destroys jedi order and end their hegemony over the interpretation of the force
>he also destroys the last surviving sith after a couple of decades
>all that's left is a broken son who's neither jedi nor a sith despite how much he describes himself as one
It looks balanced to me.
How do I quit cold turkey on star wars bros, I know I should stop being in this abusive relationship but I keep remembering and revisiting all the pre-dishit star wars and watching star wars channels and I need to stop hurting myself...
just make up your own headcanon and let go. I-VI + whatever supplementary material you enjoy, whether it be Nu-Canon or EU
It doesn't matter cause filoni retroactively taints them with his Clone Wars RTOS makes no sense if he shoehorns Ashoka involvement in it and the people in the film never mentions it.
and yet for all the evil shit he did, bigots will hate on catra more
Guess what, Cinemaphile! You're going to learn to use a lightsaber!
Would you rather have Yoda teach you Ataru, Obi-Wan teach you Soresu, Anakin teach you Djem So, Dooku teach you Makashi, Kit Fisto teach you Shii-Cho, or Mace teach you Vaapad?
You can only choose one to become "above average" in, and you have to choose wisely! The evil Darth Sidious is going to kill you if you can't last 60 seconds in a duel with him!
vaapad and mace
second choice ataru and yoda
I've been reading the Star Wars Tales comics and they have some absolutely kino moments.
>What could you possibly hate more than me?!
>Myself
The old EU had a lot of great stuff. But the propaganda was too strong, so most fans were happy to let it go.