No, in fact he almost certainly wasn’t the zodiac. His DNA didn’t match the zodiacs, his handwriting from both hands didn’t match the zodiacs, and the coc who stopped the zodiac and let him go because he thought he was looking for a black male says he couldn’t have possibly been the zodiac. This guy was just some pedophile the cops tried to pin the murders on
>His DNA didn’t match the zodiacs
Wrong, his didn't match a sample from an envelope whose provenance could never be established and was more likely from a postal employee.
>his handwriting from both hands didn’t match the zodiacs
Wrong, he used a projector or lightboard and traced his writing.
>who stopped the zodiac and let him go because he thought he was looking for a black male says he couldn’t have possibly been the zodiac
Wrong, he never said that, and even if he did, he could not possibly have the standing to make that declaration as he was a patrolman responding to a radio call and not an investigator with any knowledge of the case.
The stone fact of the matter is the Zodiac had a personal connection to Darlene Ferrin established by his calls to her home after he killed her but before her death was known and Arthur Leigh Allan was the only suspect known to have a relationship with Ferrin. He was known to frequent the diner she worked at and lived within walking distance of it, and Darlene's sister identified Allan as the strange guest at her painting party in the weeks before her death as well as someone of whom she was afraid.
There is no better suspect than Allan; he was picked from a lineup by survivor Mike Mageaux, his voice was identified from a dispatch recording by survivor Bryan Hartnell, he had the same size Wingwalker boots whose impressions were found at more than one crime scene, and the garrison libraries at bases he was stationed at or had access had all their cryptology books stolen, and this is to say nothing of his watch or his family members turning him in based on the prose style of his writings and the writings published by the SF Chronicle.
You made a plausible case until >and this is to say nothing of his watch
So what? the brand was Zodiac? Zodiac watches are pretty common, this has always been a massive overreach by anyone who has no fricking clue what they're talking about in terms of the case.
Yes he absolutely did right in front of a camera. Other than that you’re just throwing out the DNA because it doesn’t agree with you and pulling an excuse out of your ass about the handwriting. People like you who just confidently speak in absolutes while all you're actually doing is bullshitting are so annoying. I get some people need to feel like they know the truth about everything but you don’t know who the zodiac is and pretending like you do just makes you look closed minded, which is a bad mindset for a detective
>DNA from the letter can only be from the zodiac killer
are you people so dense you can't imagine that they might have gotten that wrong in the 70s
talk about closed minded, ie just like a person deeming DNA not matching to be absolute proof when the DNA source itself could never be verified
So, what you’re saying is the only verifiable evidence is that Allan was a weirdo who knew one of the victims and had a similar pair of boots as the ones that may have been at a crime scene. Both of these things are circumstantial. >be frustrated cops >chase down every bullshit lead >another bullshit lead from speculative nobodies >it’s some creep who rubs you the wrong way >pick through his life until you find a pair of boots that might match footprints at a crime scene >there’s ya killer
Most people have at least one weirdo in their life. If that person happens to be killed, those scrutinizing their death and life might naturally focus on the weirdo. In some cases, they might naturally find a piece or two of weak circumstantial evidence linking the weirdo. Doesn’t mean he did it. This is how black people get fricked all the time.
Been trying to find Hartnell fingering Allen’s voice and I’ve found articles claiming he did but never any citations or primary sources. This lead me to look into the 2007 documentary This Is The Zodiac Speaking in which Hartnell says that the Zodiac had a very unique voice that he would never forget and that he has never heard that voice again since the attack.
Idk if ALA was Zodiac, but ALSO there is serious doubt that the handprint from the Stein cab is Zodiac's print. This is because a guy (the dad of the teens that watched it) went down to the cab and tried to help before the cops came. It could be his print. Idk if police ever figured that out. But yeah ruling out suspects based on the one print doesn't work.
I don't buy this theory for one reason: don't pretty much all serial killers end up confessing when interrogated to be able to claim their "fame"? I mean, all these psychos are extreme narcissists, why would he miss the chance of being famous?
>There is no better suspect than Allan
What a dumb fricking reason to assume its him
ALA wasn't a criminal mastermind, and the sex crimes/pervertedness he did do that didn't match the type of stuff the zodiac cases he left a TON of evidence for
He was only a criminal mastermind for the Zodiac stuff? doesn't make sense.
The Zodiac was two different men blamed in the mistaken belief they were one serial killer. Allen was one of those men, but not the one who they had the DNA of.
>After dying, police canvas his house for evidence >find a hollowed out book with a VHS tape and a note for the police specifically >"Please watch this for everything you want to know about me" >Police don't even wait, immediately play it in the VHS player in his home He starts of somber before he strips down and spreads his ass and starts dancing whilst laughing and shouting frick you at the police and the FBI
Embarrasing
why was the zodiac code sent to the police assumed to be from the zodiac killer and not a copycat troll making random wingdings and stumping code experts for decades and decades? Also why hasn't any AI or supercomputer cracked it? It is because the code is fake
They cracked another letter 2 years ago >why no supercomputer or ai shit
Firstly because that shit is expensive to soley use for cracking a single cypher and nobody wants to fund it. secondly its hard to crack as its a 67 symbol cypher written in a transpositional style meaning its not all left to right like usual letters. They still crackdd one in 2021 and the FBI confirmed the findings.
this dude was just a loser with some very tenuous connections to one or two of the murders, and he liked the "play up" his weirdness for the sake of the attention he was getting and so he could LARP as le heckin mastermind serial killer hiding in plain sight
The Zodiac was a group of twelve men.
They belonged to a murder cult that was started from a hardcore pornography club. The letters were written by two of the members who started to like the press and fervor/terror they were starting. the U.S military/MKULTRA was involved.
whats the name for that group of unidentified criminals that committed a string of robberies and mass killings with assault rifles in some northern european country I think, they got chased by police multiple times and escaped never to be found, really eerie details on this one too. okay I looked it up it was the Brabant Killings look that shit up for a good read
yeah probably
homie he literally just said he wasn't
That's just what the Zodiac would say
But then he wouldn't be the Zodiac killer.
literally everybody would say that so we're back to hole one
>we're back to hole one
I prefer your mother's hole two lmao
No, the Zodiac always said "this is the Zodiac speaking"
> wait a minute, how do you know that we call him the Zodiac only internally within our police unit?
> cue dramatic music
Its illegal to lie to cops so no.
No, in fact he almost certainly wasn’t the zodiac. His DNA didn’t match the zodiacs, his handwriting from both hands didn’t match the zodiacs, and the coc who stopped the zodiac and let him go because he thought he was looking for a black male says he couldn’t have possibly been the zodiac. This guy was just some pedophile the cops tried to pin the murders on
This. Graysmith is not a detective and he should stay the frick in his own lane
I don't get how handwriting is used as a detective method. Just write different you stupid b***h, bam innocent
They need that smell guy from the Hannibal movie.
That guy seemed like he was only an expert in perfumes and colognes, not body odor.
>bam innocent
hell yeah brother
is he writing our generation's Citizen Kane with his Bamcode?
is Q a pot leaf or a dick?
Man imagine how FREAKED OUT you would be sitting next to Bam in a plane with this WICKED script next to you
I'd go INSANE
>His DNA didn’t match the zodiacs
Wrong, his didn't match a sample from an envelope whose provenance could never be established and was more likely from a postal employee.
>his handwriting from both hands didn’t match the zodiacs
Wrong, he used a projector or lightboard and traced his writing.
>who stopped the zodiac and let him go because he thought he was looking for a black male says he couldn’t have possibly been the zodiac
Wrong, he never said that, and even if he did, he could not possibly have the standing to make that declaration as he was a patrolman responding to a radio call and not an investigator with any knowledge of the case.
The stone fact of the matter is the Zodiac had a personal connection to Darlene Ferrin established by his calls to her home after he killed her but before her death was known and Arthur Leigh Allan was the only suspect known to have a relationship with Ferrin. He was known to frequent the diner she worked at and lived within walking distance of it, and Darlene's sister identified Allan as the strange guest at her painting party in the weeks before her death as well as someone of whom she was afraid.
There is no better suspect than Allan; he was picked from a lineup by survivor Mike Mageaux, his voice was identified from a dispatch recording by survivor Bryan Hartnell, he had the same size Wingwalker boots whose impressions were found at more than one crime scene, and the garrison libraries at bases he was stationed at or had access had all their cryptology books stolen, and this is to say nothing of his watch or his family members turning him in based on the prose style of his writings and the writings published by the SF Chronicle.
in English, Columbo
You made a plausible case until
>and this is to say nothing of his watch
So what? the brand was Zodiac? Zodiac watches are pretty common, this has always been a massive overreach by anyone who has no fricking clue what they're talking about in terms of the case.
Most reasonable arguments I've ever seen refuting the counterpoints against Allen being the perpetrator. I hope you're not fricking with me
>he never said that
Yes he absolutely did right in front of a camera. Other than that you’re just throwing out the DNA because it doesn’t agree with you and pulling an excuse out of your ass about the handwriting. People like you who just confidently speak in absolutes while all you're actually doing is bullshitting are so annoying. I get some people need to feel like they know the truth about everything but you don’t know who the zodiac is and pretending like you do just makes you look closed minded, which is a bad mindset for a detective
>DNA from the letter can only be from the zodiac killer
are you people so dense you can't imagine that they might have gotten that wrong in the 70s
talk about closed minded, ie just like a person deeming DNA not matching to be absolute proof when the DNA source itself could never be verified
So, what you’re saying is the only verifiable evidence is that Allan was a weirdo who knew one of the victims and had a similar pair of boots as the ones that may have been at a crime scene. Both of these things are circumstantial.
>be frustrated cops
>chase down every bullshit lead
>another bullshit lead from speculative nobodies
>it’s some creep who rubs you the wrong way
>pick through his life until you find a pair of boots that might match footprints at a crime scene
>there’s ya killer
Most people have at least one weirdo in their life. If that person happens to be killed, those scrutinizing their death and life might naturally focus on the weirdo. In some cases, they might naturally find a piece or two of weak circumstantial evidence linking the weirdo. Doesn’t mean he did it. This is how black people get fricked all the time.
he dindu nuffin
Been trying to find Hartnell fingering Allen’s voice and I’ve found articles claiming he did but never any citations or primary sources. This lead me to look into the 2007 documentary This Is The Zodiac Speaking in which Hartnell says that the Zodiac had a very unique voice that he would never forget and that he has never heard that voice again since the attack.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3565&v=HI0jnsbZwys&feature=youtu.be
Idk if ALA was Zodiac, but ALSO there is serious doubt that the handprint from the Stein cab is Zodiac's print. This is because a guy (the dad of the teens that watched it) went down to the cab and tried to help before the cops came. It could be his print. Idk if police ever figured that out. But yeah ruling out suspects based on the one print doesn't work.
I don't buy this theory for one reason: don't pretty much all serial killers end up confessing when interrogated to be able to claim their "fame"? I mean, all these psychos are extreme narcissists, why would he miss the chance of being famous?
Yeah but he said it wasn't him tho.
>There is no better suspect than Allan
What a dumb fricking reason to assume its him
ALA wasn't a criminal mastermind, and the sex crimes/pervertedness he did do that didn't match the type of stuff the zodiac cases he left a TON of evidence for
He was only a criminal mastermind for the Zodiac stuff? doesn't make sense.
you literally posted visual confirmation that he isn't. OP is a major homosexual
Ted Cruz is the Zodiac killer.
meme's aside, this is a great movie. I miss when threre where good acting performances. Seems like a thing of the past.
it's more interesting if he is but he probably wasn't
Zodiac was Pizzagate, everyone was involved
The Zodiac was two different men blamed in the mistaken belief they were one serial killer. Allen was one of those men, but not the one who they had the DNA of.
given the number of serial killers, cults, and general satanic shit going around California at the time 1969-1984 this is definitely possible
At least one of the people involved was Art Linkletter's son. I'm not joking.
the Zodiac is the united states government which is the catholic church
gematriaeffect.news
freetofindtruth.blogspot.com
the actor is actually a nonce irl
I got a boner when the tied up girl shrieked while she was being stabbed. What's it like to slowly stab a tied up girl to death bros?
She’s going to poop eventually during the murder so it’s prob gross tbh
The most you could charge him with is being a Capricorn.
they actually found the guy for real, theres an interview with his daughter
>After dying, police canvas his house for evidence
>find a hollowed out book with a VHS tape and a note for the police specifically
>"Please watch this for everything you want to know about me"
>Police don't even wait, immediately play it in the VHS player in his home
He starts of somber before he strips down and spreads his ass and starts dancing whilst laughing and shouting frick you at the police and the FBI
Embarrasing
he was one of them, yeah. at least two, probably more.
what about him?
why was the zodiac code sent to the police assumed to be from the zodiac killer and not a copycat troll making random wingdings and stumping code experts for decades and decades? Also why hasn't any AI or supercomputer cracked it? It is because the code is fake
They cracked another letter 2 years ago
>why no supercomputer or ai shit
Firstly because that shit is expensive to soley use for cracking a single cypher and nobody wants to fund it. secondly its hard to crack as its a 67 symbol cypher written in a transpositional style meaning its not all left to right like usual letters. They still crackdd one in 2021 and the FBI confirmed the findings.
>Firstly because that shit is expensive to soley use for cracking a single cypher
Why?
this dude was just a loser with some very tenuous connections to one or two of the murders, and he liked the "play up" his weirdness for the sake of the attention he was getting and so he could LARP as le heckin mastermind serial killer hiding in plain sight
Wait is that the hamburger guy?
every american man is the hamburger guy.
>drew carrey's crossdressing brother is the zodiac
Zodiack here, AMA
why did reddit take Cinemaphiles well established "Ask me anything" threads and shorten it to "AMA" then still come here and post?
I guess you'd have to ask someone from reddit, but since the question is rhetorical, my advice is: go back.
but you did it. you sat there and you posted it as if you weren't reddit-incarnate.
Zodiac Manson link-up when?
The Zodiac was a group of twelve men.
They belonged to a murder cult that was started from a hardcore pornography club. The letters were written by two of the members who started to like the press and fervor/terror they were starting. the U.S military/MKULTRA was involved.
It's pretty ridiculous that they JUST solved one of the ciphers recently. But still can't identify him.
They solved another in 2021 which confirms whoever called into the TV show in 1969 wasnt the zodiac.
No, it was Ross Sullivan and maybe one or more copycats
Yes. I would like to believe the inventor of McDonald's was the Zodiac.
John Carroll Lynch was born in 1963. No way a ten y.o kid was the zodiac
The zodiac was a series of copycats or some gay israeli nonsense.
Was the zodiac killer just one big psyop… it was wasn’t it
how many boomers have confessed to being the zodiac killer with their last dying breath?
whats the name for that group of unidentified criminals that committed a string of robberies and mass killings with assault rifles in some northern european country I think, they got chased by police multiple times and escaped never to be found, really eerie details on this one too. okay I looked it up it was the Brabant Killings look that shit up for a good read
He was one of the zodiacs. I think they may have been a group
One half of it, the Zodiac was actually two people, one original and a copycat.
there were multiple killers. the movie is about the hysteria and is intentionally misleading
there is no zodiac, it was a hoax, the murders weren't connected, the letters were a fraud, as proven by Tom Horan.
The Zodiac was a group of 12 different dudes.
Black person
homosexual
troony