Watching the movie rn
>three dudes take out an army of policemen
>not a single cop lands a single shot
How can I take this shit seriously? It's so fricking stupid. The movie was kino up until this point.
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>posted a screenshot of one of the robbers suffering from a gunshot wound from the cops
what?
Well, I wasn't watching it THAT closely. I have a social media feed to monitor.
The movie was not "kino". This entire scene is shit though.
>Shooting at nothing
>Nolan tier extras dying from nothing
>Dude """"REALISM"""
>still the most cartoonishly awful acting
>But THEY TEACH this scene!!!);<
>A-audio makes up for it you don't get it );<
Michael mann is a moron. Never made a good movie besides collateral and thats only saved because of cruise.
I like it, but I always thought it was shot and edited in such a way that you can't tell who's where in relation to one another.
>and that is a good thing
Based
Cringe
I'm guessing you're a zoomer. But yeah its slightly unrealistic but not impossible. If all three bank robbers have had military training and assault rifles, they could really give the first responder cops a run for their money. Google North Hollywood shootout. Long story short: well equipped military trained bank robbers > under-equipped cops.
they "teach it" because the cops are under-equiped and have bad positioning for taking on guys with automatic weapons
im sire they use this as an example of the same thing
>Google North Hollywood shootout
And yet they failed to actually kill anyone. And they were inside a building as opposed to an open street like in the movie
Look, it might be the most realistic scene ever, but to me as an average watcher, it just looks ridiculous. Even if something is possible irl it may look stupid on screen. I think the scene in the movie is over the top.
Nobody is saying its the most realistic scene ever
>That one scene in ‘Heat’ that gave audiences the most realistic firefight in movie history
https://taskandpurpose.com/culture/most-realistic-movie-firefight-heat/
>they were inside a building as opposed to an open street like in the movie
that's not true
My bad, I just looked at the top of the wiki article. Anyway, my main point, that they didn't actually kill anyone, still stands.
that is correct, it's actually pretty incredible that no civilian or officer was killed considering the amount of rounds that were fired.
the north hollywood robbers were in fact on the street most of the time moving behind cars and trying to get to their getaway vehicle. They were killed outside, they left the bank rather early.
>not a single cop lands a single shot
Two of the four thieves in Heat were killed by the cops, a third was shot and incapacitated. You have been wrong about everything you try to post
The only thing unrealistic about the Heat shootout is that they were mag-dumping on full-auto rather than rapid semi-auto, but even in 2023 filmmakers rarely depict semi-auto rifle engagements.
>The only thing unrealistic about the Heat shootout is that they were mag-dumping on full-auto rather than rapid semi-auto
Does this have to do with recoil or with muzzle heat or what?
Anon, have you ever shot a gun before?
Yes handguns and a shotgun but not a full auto rifle
You know where I'm going with this, right?
Not really, probably that it's due to recoil but I asked because I genuinely don't know
Mag dumping usually doesn't work. You're not going to see what the frick you're shooting at and you're barrel will be not as stable.
No, Bob. It's 2 o'clock Bob, open the safe.
It's a waste of ammo and you won't hit shit.
My biggest issue with this part of an otherwise fine crime drama is the cops teleporting to the bank and the piss poor procedure they used. You do not advance on perps leaving the scene, you allow them to get into the vehicle, surround and apprehend. They had full knowledge of who and what they were up against.
Okay. You must be a joy to be around. Anyway, I prefer the shootouts in Way of the Gun but Heat is one of my favorites. You sound like a contrarian who hates a thing because it is popular.
>a contrarian who hates a thing because it is popular.
Where did this come from? I had fun with the movie until that point. I went in blind, I didn't have any expectations, bad or good. I just say what really I feel.
Not too long ago an army of cops just stood outside a school and let some chud go to town inside because they were cowards. Honestly, that was probably the most realistic part of the movie
People will claim it's the greatest, most realistic shoot out ever put to film. I like a lot of parts of Heat but the movie never seemed as good as people make it out to be. Maybe I just don't appreciate action as a genre enough. I see people praise John Wick similarly but not as much and that seemed like cheesy shit to me, not some realistic operator kino like I've seen many claim.
>People will claim it's the greatest, most realistic shoot out ever put to film
Nobody claims its the most realistic shootout ever. It' just very well made and the audio especially is great. Not sure why you started sperging about John Wick because that's not the movie we're discussing. And yes, John Wick is cheesy shit, you're not special for noticing.
>Nobody claims its the most realistic shootout ever.
yes, they do
and it is
they literallt use the footage in marine's indoc training
Just of the reloading (of Val Kilmer). You guys have like 1% knowledge of everything and pretend to be experts.
>spergs out about nonsense
>proven wrong with one simple example
>n-nuh uh!!!!!!
I just told you that your "example" is wrong and I explained to you why in detail. Greentext and twist my words more I guess.
I definitely agree about how well done the scene is. The audio is still basically unmatched and the lengths they went to film it are impressive. I just can't stand the leagues of people who suck off a movie for treating guns realistically and act like that's enough for a movie to stand in its own. I admit my autism got the better of me but I'm sick of "well the whole movie sucked but the character used trigger discipline so that makes it a masterpiece"
I see your point. Sorry for being rude.
Heat is a drama, not action
Heat is a treat on the big screen i turn it off after 30 seconds at home
the cops who had pistols didn't do much
the robbers started dropping when the special agents showed up properly armed
This movie is so bad
it is literally a fricking soap opera
its like 3 hours long and 2 hours of it is homosexualy family drama and screeching women
Cinemaphile tricked me into rewatching this, and all the relationship shit was fricking awful, especially with DeNiro. Am I really supposed to believe this disciplined bank robber, hardened con is just going to suddenly give everything up for some woman that he literally just met and barely knows? It's fricking moronic. And Pacino is fricking hamming it up to the max.
Agreed. Also, DeNiro and Pacino's scene together seems kinda lame and forced to me, like the filmmakers were thinking "we're selling this movie based on these two actors being both in it, so we have to have a scene of them together". Then when they interact it's just cliche "we're not so different, you and I" type of stuff.
Yeah its cheesy cliche tacky etc but I still enjoyed it. I love these type of 90s movies where shit just feels right
Mann directed parts of a show or a short film or some shit years before Heat, the exchanges between Pacino and DeNiro are lifted almost entirely from that
Yeah, that was L.A. Takedown, it's the blueprint for Heat.
i never watched it but how is it half as long as heat if it's identical?
Sometimes I don't understand how people like you even found this website
Insert an hour of nonsense drama about cheating wives and the stoic's heart starting to open up will do it.
It was a TV movie, it's not identical but Heat is most definitely a remake.
>The original 180 page screenplay predates both L.A. Takedown (1989) and Heat (1995), it was written in the late 70s and then revised after Michael Mann had finished Thief (1981). When making the TV movie version, Mann had to severely abridge the original script and abstracted around 110 pages from the 180 page script, making the TV movie not fully developed compared to the later cinematic version.
It's the same movie.
Yes their scenes are awful. The bad acting when they have coffee is only overshadowed by the complete absurdity of them holding hands at the airport while DeNiro dies.
standard issue cop sidearms are probably not ideal in taking down 3 guys with full auto rifles who are laying down suppressing fire on you in alternate waves while advancing on your position.
>suppressing fire
they're standing out in the open surrounded by 50 cops
the frick you talking about
>guy walking out in the open in the middle of an empty street
>50 cops that no doubt have to go to the shooting range frequently (and do that in their spare time too) can't get a clean shot at him
c'mon
>50 cops that no doubt have to go to the shooting range frequently (and do that in their spare time too)
Lol
Because the cops weren't fighting, they had the streets cleared to let them go but their car was shot up too badly.
Guy is literally shot by the police in the pic, my dude
>Hey, we're planning this super-dangerous heist that needs split-second timing
>Let's let this guy that only one of us can barely vouch for join us at the last second
Heat's plot didn't make much sense from the beginning
For me it's the crazy indian in Hold the Dark who uses a turret to mow down 50 cops from about 30ft away with noone landing a shot on him.
how did he go from heat to this?
I thought this scene was allright, same as the rest of the movie really. Not amazing but enjoyable. When I first saw it in the cinema I thought it was a 8/10. I've matured now and I rate it a 7/10. Comparing it to Heat is understandable and Heat wins that comparison in every aspect.