>Heey , the previous episodes of the Extermination plotline didn't matter because I can just walk in and solve ALL of the problems!
What the FRICK did viv mean by this???
>Heey , the previous episodes of the Extermination plotline didn't matter because I can just walk in and solve ALL of the problems!
Even in times of trouble and mayhem, family is eternal, and your father should always be there for you.
It's quite redpilled, isn't it?
>Even in times of trouble and mayhem, family is eternal
So when is Cain going to beam him with a rock?
>Cain kills Lucifer
That could be next level writing if done right.
>show shot of a desert on earth
>show hooded figure about to enter cave
>cave is full of bones of various animals
>another figure comes out of shadows and grabs hooded figure removing hood
>it’s Lute
>he sees she is angel and throws her to the ground telling her to frick off or die
>she is about to tell him off when she remembered why she came to the cave in the first place
>”Cain… your father is dead”
>figure steps out of shadows revealing absolutely jacked dude with a brand in the center of his chest and look of cold fury on his face
>”What happen”
>”It was Lucifer”
>show a shot of Cain tightly grasping a rock in his hand before fading to black
If that prancing homosexual died by getting his head smashed in with a rock it would be the best scene in the whole series.
Not to mention it would be pretty ironic for him to be killed by the first murderer.
I dig it
Feels.
dont need a dad just a mommy
I am still annoyed she wasn't the no nonsense black chick tardwrangling Adam and being the Lana to his Archer. It is like Viv is simultaniously not letting them be mundane enough for amusment sake or quiet enough to let their sinister qualities seep into their presence.
Viv Adam is a good person who loves all of his children, whether they are black, white, or monster-like.
So he is given Lute to reflect and glorify his goodness. Since it’s ultimately about giving Winners the best and loving parents imaginable.
I've seen a number of stories where the smart assistant character has to make sure that his idiot boss doesn't get himself killed, but I can't remember the last time I saw the assistant and the boss taking turns like this. Adam was a dudebro who found exterminations fun while Lute was a zealot who hated sinners with a vengeance, and they both genuinely enjoyed exterminating sinners. Both of them occasionally got carried away to the point that their partner had to step in and keep them under control. I thought it was an interesting dynamic.
The thing with Lute and Adam is that even though they loved sinners, they hated the wicked.
Ask anyone Christian whose domain earth is. The purges only happened because he agreed with God that his creations were a mistake.
>he agreed with God
no, because he agree with Sera that those souls were likely irredeemable
God is never even mentioned as a character or doing anything
It's quite refreshing that what Lucifer did is actually portrayed as a bad thing that had negative consequences and he regrets it after seeing the results all around him. I'm so used to media making Lucifer the good guy in the creation story out of pure contrarianism.
>It's quite refreshing that what Lucifer did is actually portrayed as a bad thing that had negative consequences and he regrets it after seeing the results all around him.
It makes sense though because he was trying to glorify God's creation by bringing hybrids into the world, so when they didn't Lucifer would have agreed with God whatever God's plan was to deal with it. Angels don't make mistakes, but their actions can create them.
Fun fact: demons are deathly terrified of Hell.
Lucifer is described as doing quite literally everything in order not to land in the Lake of Fire.
For someone who deceived angels to rebel against God, this sounds awfully horrible.
Im not sure if Adam didnt break the rule that hellborn are to be spared. Not that anybody cares
Charlie needed to Inspire him before he would do that, so everything still needed to happen this way.
>charlie our people ARE AWFUL
gee I don't know dipshit I don't think I'd fight for worthless scum either
Amazing how easily this setting falls apart
Yeah it could have been any generic furry OC kitchen sink
It's literally just Game of Thrones. The main character has the backing of the KING and get's executed. Lucifer's power is going to get thrown out, and it'll cause chaos.
Was Lucifer ok with the exterminations this whole time? Or did he just never bother trying to stop it because he was deprezzed for thousands of years?
He is the reason why they happen. Shortly before Lilith disappeared, Lucifer struck an agreement with Heaven to target sinners since they were fearful of how she was spurring Hell into prosperity.
So Lucifer is complicent in the thing Charlie hates which is "her people getting slaughtered".
Shouldn't that be something to talk about?
You would think, yeah, but it's pretty much glossed over. It's not like Charlie is unaware of it too; she knows Lucifer doesn't believe in the hotel and exempted the hellborn from the extermination.
He only has his change of heart because Charlie and co. successfully defended the hotel; the only reason he's even there is because Adam attacked Charlie, which broke the contract.
So heaven-born and hell-born have a pretty good relationship where they don't really bother each other. It sounds like hell-born would just see sinners as annoying thing spawning there like illegal migrants. And they can't be killed by hell-born so they are probably greatful the angels show up.
The more I think about the more I think the drama just isn't there.
There's good potential for drama with Lucifer and Charlie's opposing viewpoints that they didn't really do anything with for more than five minutes, and the show never presented Charlie or the hotel as flawed, mainly because none of the sinners who are actually staying at the hotel would have trouble with redemption.
Angel, Husk, Pentious, and Cherrie are all legitimately pretty nice people by Hell's standards, and most of their flaws are internal. What if someone like Valentino, who did objectively terrible things in both the life and afterlife, decided to try and earn redemption on a whim? How would Charlie approach a prospect like him? Would it even be possible? That's where Lucifer makes a really good point - most people are in Hell for a good reason, and, though Heaven has lots of rules, the Powers That Be are not particularly very picky about who gets into Heaven (Adam, Lute, Vaggie, Lilith, even reborn Pentious).
Lucifer in particular I feel would be the one person who would be most offended by the hotel, especially if he knew his ex-wife's whereabouts, and I feel like they should've pushed into that more; Charlie sways him a bit too easily. I would think that the man who was forced to watch the folly of his actions in every waking moment of his life and was personally cast down by Heaven would have a thing or two to say about redemption, especially since he hates both Heaven and Hell.
On the other hand, Hell is the only the way it is due to Lucifer's lack of involvement; he had every chance to join Lilith in trying to build a prospering society, but spent all of his time licking his wounds alone. It's no wonder why she left him and why Charlie held little respect for him or why Hell is a shithole ever since Lilith left.
Too bad the show never felt the need to explore any of this.
What was Lilith's deal? The opening video made it seem like she is the real leader of hell. Why should I care about redemption when it doesn't actually mean exploring the characters but just figuring out how to work the invisible Karma system that poofs people into heaven or hell?
I don't know man. The show has a lot of weird interesting moments that are self-isolated but, as a whole, fricking sucks.
The whole point of the hotel is that Charlie is using redemption as a means to save people from exterminations, not because she sees Heaven as objectively correct. I don't know if extermination is a feasible option for Heaven anymore considering they lost Adam and the majority of their exterminators, though time will tell.
Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell? It's like both she and Lucifer forgot about his advice from episode 5 - "Heaven never listens."
This is every Vivziepop piece of media.
People will take her genuinely interesting ideas and create something far more nuanced and complete than what she can, and then be inevitably disappointed by the final product.
Wasn't it established that only a select few in heaven know about the exterminations? Once the cat is out of the bad that should stop them. And Sir Pentious is walking around there. But...I'm not even sure how what side I am supposed to be taking. Heaven is doing the right for them. They need to keep hell weak if they want to maintain themself. Charlie is a noble idealist but the show always makes it clear most people in hell are scum. We only care about the main characters which were only in danger because of a dispute Charlie started with Adam and the rest of heaven.
This show just sucks at everything that isn't interpersonal relationships. The metaphysics, morality, and politics are a mess. The action is also bad. Characters look cool and there is motion on screen.
>Wasn't it established that only a select few in heaven know about the exterminations?
Only sera knew, and she was persuaded to allow their existence
Pls put something in the name field so I can filter out your spamming schizo posts
> Heaven is doing the right for them. They need to keep hell weak if they want to maintain themself
And because of this they did an equivalent of using antibiotics for every smallest thing, which made sinners „immune” to their threat now, since they learned how angels can be killed. If heaven only acted during actual threat against them, no one would came up with this idea. It was moronic to go with exterminations in the first place
>Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell?
That's what she is doing, she is using her songs to literally uplift the denizens of hell into heaven with her hotel.
Realistically what she should do is improve the Pride ring's living conditions to make everyone happier there, but her daddy and mommy issues make her want to do a grand gesture to impress them.
>Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell?
because hell sucks anyway, hevanes may not be perfect but is better than trash
According to Charlie, Hell only sucks because Lilith left and Lucifer is a lazy chode. This could be her being an unreliable narrator, so it always sucked (Lucifer hints at this but he could also be unreliable since he’s particularly biased), but I don’t expect something that nuanced from HH.
Hasn't Lilith only been gone for about 7 years? Also, how would one ruler manage to enforce that?
I wanna say you can only go so far before the softening of hell actively damages the plot
Hell is more like a bad place disguising away its evil as being the norm, so every sinner plainly accepts it as their new normal when they arrive in Hell. Rape, Lust, cannibalism, torture, and murder are seen as pleasures and rewards instead of Love.
>Angel, Husk, Pentious, and Cherrie are all legitimately pretty nice people by Hell's standards, and most of their flaws are internal. What if someone like Valentino, who did objectively terrible things in both the life and afterlife, decided to try and earn redemption on a whim? How would Charlie approach a prospect like him? Would it even be possible?
If season 2 is going forward with the message of the hotel, then this really needs to be a core conflict of the hotel. How much redemption is necessary, and is it even possible for some people to be redeemed? Since Pentious was successful and we know redemption works, this needs to be addressed, specifically with the character of Charlie since she believes anyone is capable of ascending.
I also agree with
and
in that the hotel itself should be presented as a flawed concept, that Charlie is misguided, and that Hell doesn’t have to be a bad place, as shown by Lilith’s rule and Lucifer’s newfound passion in the sinners.
i really hope that with lilith coming into the picture that the idea of the hotel is eventually scrapped and leads into the morningstars bringing success to hell once more.
what gets me is that charlie was never portrayed as in the wrong for dismissing lucifer's warnings of heaven's corruption, yet she still wants to send souls up to heaven despite witnessing firsthand that the exterminations were kept on the DL and that the high angels have no idea what gets a soul into heaven.
i feel like in a more competently-written show, that would be a huge blow to the idea of the hotel and make charlie realize that her father was correct, spurring her to follow more closely in her mother's footsteps of enlightening hell as opposed to appeasing heaven.
i feel like that the show MIGHT be leading to that, as charlie's desire to be a people-pleaser has been challenged and mocked before (episode 4 and 7), but time will tell. maybe we'll get some cool shit with purgatory/limbo
>Adam and Lute will be constantly fighting against Lucifer and Lilith for another round of child custody politics (Heaven = Adam and Lute) (Hell = Lilith and Lucifer) for the best sinners in Hell.
Oh boy…
>Purgatory
I feel like if Purgatory is an idea that’s explored, then that somewhat justifies the mystique of Heaven’s rules, since the ultimate decision of salvation or damnation is made there.
That, however, would also bring the church into the fray, which would be funny as shit to see Vivziepop tackle. I could see her create a sexyman out of Cato or personify Limbo to be the guardian of purgatory.
>a sexyman out of Cato or personify Limbo
imagine...
>the hotel gets destroyed and rebuilt bigger and bigger every season finale
>by the end of the show it's so huge it physically connects heaven and hell
>the hotel was a babel/purgatory analogy all along
>he loves his daughter, and his love of his daughter rekindled his love for humanity for which he literally got thrown out of heaven for
How is that not a great plot point?
It's a good plot point, never said it wasn't. As I said before there are a lot of good interesting moments in the show.
It's more that said moment does not feel completely earned with the rapid pace of the show. Lucifer, the embodiment of pride and the original fallen angel, does such a severely quick 180 on his viewpoint towards sinners, when, he, and I cannot reiterate this enough, is probably the most qualified critic of the Hazbin Hotel.
Of course, his myopic viewpoint on the denizens of Hell is wrong in-universe, but I think the show needed to let him be wrong for a little while longer to actually serve as a philosophical challenge towards Charlie's viewpoint. Everyone else's in-universe critique can be brushed off as "Yeah, they're a sinner, of course they're a b***h" or "He's just trying to frick with me because he's an exterminator.", but if the first person to be cast out of Hell warns you about Heaven, you better damn well listen to what he has to say.
Lucifer spends a total of like two minutes arguing with Charlie about the actual hotel while the rest of the run-time of the episode is devoted to Mimzy, Alastor, or the cringy duet. Again, it feels like he folded way too quickly.
>cast out of Hell
to Hell*.
The show being fast paced is definitely valid, but I feel we see Lucifer as essentially being mindbroken and driven to depression/isolation after his fall from grace.
no Lilith only left 7 years ago, the exterminations happened way before that
Adam flat out says in the first episode that the Hellborn got a pardon
Lucifer stepping in after Adam breaks that agreement (attacking Charlie) makes perfect sense.
Charlie attacked him first.
Adam openly declared that he would come to exterminate Charlie specifically
And Lucifer didn't come until he choked her.
yeah, because that was what defacto broke the deal
He didn't mention anything about Charlie, just about coming to her hotel.
"Gotta say, can't wait to come down and exterminate you"
Adam sang that line directly to Charlie
Before anyone "ate the apple" everyone lived forever. But after that everyone is doomed to die. That death is the "purges" referenced in the show. Christ was sent to save the souls of everyone damned by original sin. Only Christ was not bound by that curse, which is why he could be killed but did not die. So Adam in the show, is essentially the Grim Reaper.
It would be an interesting plot point if now Lucifer has to deal with the fallout that he has now put all of hell at risk of death should heaven continues its exterminations, especially if the exorcists redouble their efforts. I suspect it would be hard for hell to fight back against angels that just throw bombs through portals, offering no target to fight back.
Great design but pretty bad character, the VA is shitty too
That fat beaner b***h is bad at writing?! No way...
>white man has to fix the mess created by his idealistic daughter
extreme realism
How is it that people are supposed to find Adam as a antagonist that the director expects you to cheer against when he dies when this homosexual is literally the reason why all of this is happening in the first place
Because you aren't. You were supposed to like Adam and find Alastor, Charlie, and Lucifer to be cringe. The show is secretly based and viv is playing you like a fiddle.
Lucifer gave people free will. I don't see how you can see that as villanious. Remember this is not the fricking bible.
I mean technically that is also what happened in the bible, but HB hasn't actually revealed any of God's plans and merely blamed everything on angels being hypocrites
There isn't a single God-like deity in the show. Earth was made by Sera and other angels. Part of why Lucifer ended up accidentally creating hell is because the other angels were tired of his wacky zany shit and told him to stop making cringe or frick off.
I feel there are greater powers than the angels/demons we've seen. Like what mechanism made the snake guy get in heaven if even Sera was surprised to see him? What was the evil that seeped into the world thanks to Lucifer enlightening humanity? There's some abstract "evil" and abstract "good" by whose rules the angels and demons are playing.
My personal feeling is that souls just go to wherever they feel like they belong at the point of death. Lucifer is in hell because he's depressed and feels like a loser. Pentius went to heaven when Adam obliterated him because he felt like his (pointless, ineffectual) sacrifice made him worthy. It explains why there are jerks like Adam in heaven.
For what its worth, it seems like god is actively judging sinners behind the angels' backs. So maybe he's secretly been judging the angels as well to see how corrupt they can become
I figure that's the only way the heaven/hell filter makes sense, with Big G sorting in the background and seeing what the created choose to do.
It was revealed they decided to not have God because it would make the writing even more of a mess. I agree.
It would have ended poorly in any case.
i have concerns then
>God is a "character" in HH but we never see Him
>He's too busy with important shit to get involved in Adam's and Lucifer's sperg-off
>He doesn't have an issue with Charlie's mission because why the frick would he be against more people in Heaven
It's better this way.
God is gonna be there as a cosmic entity who doesn't talk or have a body, just a giant mass of light that acts on its own.
Lucifer/Satan didn't give humans free will in the Bible. They had it from day one because the forbidden tree was always there.
depends what version of the myth you believe. what's canonical in the bible changed from angel fricking to eating a magic apple because the former means some people are ineligible for heaven, ever. imho the latter is bullshit. also catholics are bullshit, you can't eat angel flesh to get a holy soul.
That's not how it goes in the Book of Genesis at all.
the only reason its not like that anymore is cause what's considered canonical scripture got revised to not include the parts explaining the details of the metaphor. You can still read them and the old Christian church absolutely believed them. Even some current christian churches never stopped considering the story canonical.
You'll need to back up your assertion with something concrete.
how is it my fault you're too dumb to know history? Fine... I'll give you a clue, start by figuring out what churches still consider Enoch canonical. That is just the first drop of a big sea of knowledge on the subject.
>the Book of Enoch
It figures.
You think Enoch is the only ancient source of the myth about fallen gods mating with humans to make holy half breeds? Do some more digging and you will find them literally everywhere.
Cool beans. We're talking about the Biblical account specifically.
>the Biblical account specifically
Yeah, the metaphor about a tree of holy spirit from God that grants knowledge of good and evil... where have I heard that one before...?
Considering that Genesis originated in the Levant, any connection between the two accounts are far more likely to be a case of the Norse incorporating Christian elements. And irrelevant to the conversation either way.
Providing two sources from outside Christianity to verify the original Christian interpretation is absolutely substantial you shit for brains moron.
Have a good night, anon.
Or just Indo-European synchronicity.
Rather, the Norse, children of Japheth, kept the story, but changed it like all other children.
Only Armenians and Hebrews kept the originals. israelites failed.
Yeaaaaaaaah that's kinda stretching it now ain't it. Why do I have to believe that the norse account influenced the Hebrew one?
Unholy halfbreeds*
Fixed that for you.
God hates miscegenation with a passion.
PS: all of Earth's mythologies can be traced back the biblical timeline. China's ancient script even alluded to the Garden of Eden.
>still consider Enoch canonical
When did the 5 original pentarchic sees ever consider it canonical?
>how is it my fault you're too dumb to know history?
yeah, you're coping/baiting.
He came to save Charlie, Adam broke their end of the deal in that regard.
But seeing the determination Charlie and her friends fought with has now convinced him her plan can work.
It's kind of crazy that Lucifer went full power mode for like 1 second, when Charlie's life was genuinely in danger, and absolutely stomped Adam, despite Adam stomping Al.
>and absolutely stomped Adam, despite Adam stomping Al.
Al' is nowhere near as powerful as either Lucifer or Adam, Lucifer didn't obliterate him on the spot because he was trying to reconnect with his daughter and was thus not going to vaporise 'her friend' two minutes after meeting him.
The entire point of Alastor/Adam fight was he was being overly wienery and has now taken a big fat L in front of all his rivals and got emasculated and made less intimidating to everyone at the hotel by having to have Lucifer [literally] swoop in to save the day. And then rebuild his janky Hotel into something 20x's greater.
Also worth mentioning that Vox was recording the entire fight, so you can guarantee he will flood hell's media with Alastors humiliating defeat and his act of running away. Its a definitive stain on Alastor's reputation
He’s a fallen seraphim - the absolute highest order of angels outside of God himself. Lucifer is undoubtedly the most powerful entity in Hell, but there are beings in Heaven that most likely eclipse him.
He's second only to God if they're following the usual canon. There's a reason he got a third of Heaven to back his rebellion, dude's a fricking powerhouse
If you're in the school of thought that takes Ezekiel 28 to be talking about Lucifer, then Jesus calls him a cherub by angelic rank, and Michael is objectively stronger. Also any seraphim should give him a run for his money. Any of the big four archangels should be able to defeat lucifer and metatron should no-diff
Wasn't Lucifer created by God to be beautiful and wise and perfect in every way? And being so perfect made him want more, so he tried to topple God? As someone who has no idea what he's talking about, I think that means Lucifer was the strongest angel. He was made to be perfect, so none of the other angels should have been better than him. He was also the smartest, so he probably wouldn't have gone straight for God's throne if there were other angels above him, since all he wanted was to be better. I mean, you don't have to fight the all powerful creator if you're in 4th place, 3rd is an easy leap from there.
I don’t think he was made specifically to be perfect it’s just that he was the best among them, and when god didn’t recognize his inherent greatness and chose to favor mankind he threw a hissy fit and rebelled.
Not in biblical canon, no. Lucifer wasn't the most powerful angel, just the first one to be prideful enough to rebel against God. Michael and Metatron are both higher angels than Lucifer in their respective cosmologies.
that is also not biblical canon
>1/3 of heaven thought they could topple their omnipotent omniscient creator because they got the 2nd most powerful being on their side
Perhaps Yahweh should have imbued some common sense into his angels
Dude's a fricking gay, get off his dick.
It's not crazy at all. Lucifer is probably top 5 in the verse, meanwhile Adam is only an above average angel at best. Alastor is just an overlord with some extra power he got from a deal. He could probably beat some of the Ars Goetia in an extreme diff, but that's it for now. I sure do love power scaling.
>in the verse
as much as I love hellofaboss the two verses are not the same. they're telling a different story in a new setting with HH
>the two verses are not the same
Whut?
They still are in the same verse until stated othewise
>Imps appear in both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss with identical designs.
>Helluva Boss namedrops Carmine weaponry, we see that Carmilla Carmine is an arms-dealing overlord in Hazbin Hotel, and her weapons look identical to the example shown in Helluva Boss
>Fizzbots appear in Hazbin Hotel
They're definitely different stories/themes but that doesn't mean it's not a shared universe.
Hell, shared universes like marvel/dc don't always have perfect canon consistency across different books, it can even change over the course of one book.
Writers being completely beholden to and needing to.reference every little detail every other writer puts in anything rather than the broad swaths would be a mess.
Even with broad swaths they regularly have to "clean up " canon.
People even sometimes connect universes from little background details like
mentions before they're officially stated to be the same universe with a team up or whatever. Like, I really don't get how you don't know that.
No matter how many times I read it, I still can't tell what exactly makes hellborn and imps/hellhounds different categories.
To my understanding, overlords and sinners are the same thing, overlords just so happen to be very powerful sinners. By that logic I could see hellborn being a bit stronger than imps/hellhounds, but the name itself "hellborn" is so confusing since all of them are born in hell. Also what's the purpose of the ars goetia when you have the 7 sins and overlords? And imps can become just as powerful as everyone else considering moxxie's dad and the imp mafia. Is Beelzebub a hellhound herself?
"Hellborn" refers to the native species of each ring of hell except imps and hellhounds. So like the loan shark demons or the succubi. Imps and hellhounds are just specific types of hellborn that socially are seen as more subservient to the other types. Unlike sinners and overlords they aren't all the same species as each other so hellborn is moreso an umbrella term encompassing all of them.
>Also what's the purpose of the ars goetia when you have the 7 sins and overlords?
It seems like the ars goetia are there to specifically recruit more sinners to come to hell. Like with how Stolas wanted to assassinate someone in the pilot episode to keep pro global warming legislation in effect. The overlords are only there to manage the pride ring, they have no influence on Earth. The rest of the sins are there to manage their respective ring and serve as the backbone of hell overall. Like how Wrath makes all of Hell's food, Sloth makes all the medicine in hell. There are some exception like how succubi can go to Earth to harvest energy for hell, but typically the hellborn are there to help run hell itself and not worry about Earth like the Goetia do.
> And imps can become just as powerful as everyone else considering moxxie's dad and the imp mafia. Is Beelzebub a hellhound herself?
Moxie's dad is still only an imp. His actual power is miniscule. He is just an exception to the rule in that he was able to build himself up to have higher social standing like Fizzaroli did. Beelzebub may be the first hellhound and the progenitor of all the other hellhounds just like Satan made all the imps, but she is still first and foremost a sin. So her social standing is that high up regardless of if she herself could be a hellhound.
>hellborn being a bit stronger than imps/hellhounds
Imps and hellhounds are mortal. If you hit them with a rock, they die, no respawning. They have no souls, and die of old in apparently a similar time scale too humans.
Sinners (humans who died on earth and got sent to hell) are souls trapped in hell. You can beat and mutilate them endlessly and eventually they will regenerate, they are functionally immortal, only angelic weapons can actually kill them.
Sinners can become overlords, but imps and hellhounds really can't hope to rise above there station. There best case scenario is to become the lover of a sin like Fizzerali, and that's like a 1 time thing in the last ten thousand years. So hellborn are basically fricked.
>top 5 in the verse,
From the intro, we got that
>He is not an Elder of Heaven
>It seems that Sera is one
>It seems that there are at least 6 or so of them
>Lucifer is said to be whimsical artist/creator, not a powerhouse
So at best Lucifer be in the top ten, below the actual elder Seraphs, YHWH and that eldritch evil god.
That chart is more social than actual power-levels. But since status in Hell is also determined by your strength, it is kinda both.
Hellhounds seem to be mostly pets/slaves of other hellborn. Imps are the lowest species because they are the weakest. Presumably every other hellborn is stronger because they are just bigger than them, and thus more socially important.
>YHWH and that eldritch evil god
they don't exist in the show
cause al is a fraud
Does anyone have rips of the first four episodes uploaded? I'd really like to have them and not have to rely on kimcartoon or whatever.
>What the FRICK did viv mean by this???
Oh gosh I know right it's almost like the show is garbage and Viv can't write for shit or something. So how long until you buttholes get exiled to /trash/ and we stop having 30 fricking Hazbin threads a day?
>angry anon yells at cloud
I guarantee you hes gonna get prison realmed by the overlords or angels cause hes too OP for the plot to happen
Lucifer is unironically the new Alastor in this show and I hate his guts for it
At least Al had the excuse of being a future villain, the only way for Lucifer to be fine is if the upper angels pop up to beat him to death
Yeah, I was thinking about this. All threats are trivialized by Lucifer being around. If he's going to be more active in interfering with Heaven's affairs, then it'd make sense for them to take him out of commission. Otherwise the protagonists can't actually be touched and there aren't any real stakes. Maybe that's why Lute is sending Lilith. Raw power isn't going to work, but having his wife pull his simp leash might.
But he’s cuter
He's... not. Not even remotely.
His power and ability makes sense given who and what he is, as does the reason he's taken a backseat until now.
Alastor on the other hand is an iamverybadass tryhard who got absolutely shelved when push finally came to shove.
He is literally a fallen Arch Angel, God's favorite. Why did you expect him to be anything but powerful?
Hilariously, Adam utterly humiliated Lucifer with his words alone because Lucifer is still one big pathetic loser despite being the strongest being in Hell. Whose only accomplishments is selfishly stealing and corrupting Adam’s wives and family [Yes, Lucifer was the dummy who thought it was slick to bring up why everyone hates him as a “comeback”. What a piece of trash.]
I don't know why people like this get so ass blasted over the way it played out. Christians who jack it to Adam got the ending they wanted because their boy beat the Satan their moronic church thinks is the real deal.
Adam and Lute beating Lucy, Lilith, and canonically-evil Eve by taking the good kids back will never be unsatisfying.
It literally means that Adam and Lute won the war in Season 1, and get to suck in the rewards later on and be happy with their redeemed children forever and ever, while Lucifer and Lilith will end up keeping all of the worst sinners in hell forever and ever. Like they deserved.
>Season 1
No offense but you are huffing some super copium of pure grade.
Season 1 ended with Jesus (charlie) defeating death and opening the way for everyone cursed by original sin to return to heaven.
>Jesus (charlie) defeating death and opening the way for everyone cursed by original sin to return to heaven.
That b***h did nothing but help sinners kill the real Jesus of the show, Adam, when pleads to his children to come back to him. Charlie is simply biased for her objectively awful father and doesn’t comprehend what she was actually doing. Which is yet another thing Adam will forgive her and the sinners for.
Charlie is more like an Apostle Paul/Saul, in that she is against Adam and will be against him for a time, until she sees him for himself (showing a love for sinners that not even she has) and accepts his true nature.
Look man, you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that the show is presenting an older interpretation of Christian cosmology which was suppressed by the modern Church. Unless you let go of your preconceived notions about what you think should be then you will continue to be blind to the story.
Charlie is Jesus and the show takes place on earth.
This one is straight up wrong since Helluva boss exists.
>Helluva boss
anyone telling you it's the same universe if full of shit.
So vivzie herself is full of shit? Proto-blitz is in the Hazbin pilot and Helluva makes direct references to the events of the Hazbin pilot.
Yeah, full of shit. The pilot has one scene where a proto blitz is in the background but it's obvious they wanted the universes separate to tell this story.
There’s tons of Hazbin references in Helluva Boss (Ex- angel dust poster in the background) and the world building of Helluva Boss is congruent with Hazbin. I can’t tell if you’re baiting or for real, Charlie as a Christ-like figure is a nice interpretation but other than you’re full of shit.
It’s weird they want to make Charlie a Christ-figure when she is not sinless as Adam, and doesn’t have the fatherly role and tragedy of Viv’s Adam and Christ’s life, or how they paid for the sins of sinners to save them from being in hell for eternity.
What’s so bad about Charlie getting surprised by how much Adam truly loves his children (the sinners) and giving them hugs and experiences that they have never felt before?
Isn’t that the kind of thing that would make Charlie super emotionally happy? I hate lesbians, but I clearly have a better understand of Charlie and her naive and limited perspective of the world.
Adam is a literal fricking nobody who wouldn't even appear in the cosmology and have anything to do if they didn't let him be a stand in for the Grim Reaper. He and Eve represent (metaphorically) the first people who fricked angels to make babies with holy spirits for whom Christ was sent to save.
I don’t give a damn about your creepy cult obsessions that eventually ends up with weird and stupid Michael “lores” or other things the Bible is clearly against.
I only care about Adam within the context of HH and the story of Jesus in the Bible. Since the twist with Adam taking the messiah role in HH is actually really cool and makes sense.
>I only care about Adam within the context of HH
He is a fricking joke in HH and only there to be made fun of for how stupid the modern church is with the way they tell the story.
He bounced like a rubber ball when he got hit. lol
I feel it's more like Sera is the criticism of the church and the way Hell is both set up as a fear tactic and a revenge fantasy these days, so far removed from its actual biblical description in terms of how it makes people suffer.
>Sera is the criticism
That whole scene is a frick you to God for wiping most of us out with the cataclysm of Atlantis at the end of the last ice age.
Sera to me seems more like a Pharisee (a fake speaker of God) that Adam had to play ball with in order get sinners redeemed. Since Adam appealed to Sera’s secret taste of killing humans (hinted at here), she was terrified at the sight of a redeemed sinner instead of getting happy for it, how she is allowing Lilith to be in heaven, and the fact that God revealed the secrets of redemption to Adam and Lute instead of HER.
The older what????
The Old Testament is about “you need the messiah to actually get God forgive you for your sins.”
Charlie’s Hotel in the Nutshell is Israel pre-Christ, in that they think they can go to heaven under good works that were dead.
Christ was there to correct them and offer himself as the worthy sacrifice to God. Just like Adam did in the entirely of Season 1.
Charlie did nothing but serve herself as a set piece for Adam to save his sinners with.
Just accept Adam’s sinless sacrifice and stop trying to imply that a homosexual who didn’t understand anything was the key to redemption.
It’s literally not that hard to understand.
What the frick do you think it even means to have a holy spirit, jackass? Why the frick do you think Catholics feed people magic crackers of flesh and blood? Why the frick do you think all of preChristian Europe believed that some people can trace their ancestry back to literal deities fricking their ancestors? Why the frick don't you know that was the original meaning of the garden of eden metaphor? Why the frick don't you know what the tree of the holy spirit is? Why the frick are you so stupidly dumb about all of Christian and israeli cosmology?
None of those stupid gimmicks matter. Loving God and being holy to him under the KJV Bible do.
Adam’s sacrifice is the simplest thing in HH.
>Daddy never ate the apple
>Daddy still made love to Eve, allowing sinners into this world
>Daddy loses Eve and the Sinners
>Daddy meets Lute and the very few winners that got through the very very narrow gates. But their sins still left their golds muted (unlike Adam’s unique clothes and wings) and taken away traits of their humanity (unlike Adam, who never sinned).
>Adam makes a plan to enter hell and sacrifice himself as an offer to God to cleanse the sins of sinners under his sinless blood
>It works, and his redeemed sinners inherent his brilliant golds into their design, while still sharing traits of being more monstrous than the common winner under the faults of their past-but-forgiven sins.
And done.
You can simp for Charlie, but don’t be delusional.
moron
You are literally just as blind as the morons Jesus had to cure of blindness.
The entire purpose of his design was that he looked snake like. Whatever you call that area behind his head, looks less snake like now. Not really feeling the heaven design of SP overall.
She has hooves btw.
Dont compare that ass to Jesus
Adam is literally just a mere servant in Heaven who given up his life to get his children into Heaven. He isn’t as perfect as Jesus, but I do see the indescribable love and wrath Jesus has for his own children. And how Adam has a lot of God’s divine goodness because he isn’t separated from him (via the fruit), but still acts imperfect because he is just a mere man instead of God in the flesh.
All the re-draws of this scene [picrel] are coping and adding in Lucifer's arm on Charlie's thigh or smth.
But the original shows it, The only physical way Charlie could be balancing like that with Lucifer's arm of out view is if he's holding his daughterfu by the bum.
Even moronic fandoms have their equivalent morons. It doesn't matter it's her dad.
Yeah i wasn't complaining about him doing it, That's hot.
>That's hot.
Coomer brain is rampant.
they frick and it is canon.
Probably not. But they are demonic so it doesn't really matter. It is Hell.
I love hell now!
They are immortal so incest isnt wrong
That's irrelevant. It's highly unlikely for them to be sexual in that interaction. In general they wouldn't bang most likely.
Why not? They are both smoking hot. She needs to suck on daddys glowing wiener.
She doesn't see him as sexy. He's just her dad to her. Also he's autistic for rubber ducks ffs.
>t. Hasn't read the unedited version of the bibble
Doesn't have much to do with Vizzi shit.
A-adam?
I thought you were dead
>Lucifer
>OP
He 1v1'd a human. Not that big a deal, guys.
Wow, can't wait to see what problem he won't solve in S2 for no reason!
>Hell itself is a prison and punishment for Lucifer who decided to give humans true free will including the prospect to do evil and must only view the evil his decision has created
Honestly a neat interpretation of the character, just wish there was more of his psyche breaking down watching the worst of God's creations constantly kill each other because of what he did.
i would do unspeakable things to this man, even hold his hand
Now now, anon, be honest. What did you do to make him so angry?
Oyakodon with his wife and daughter.
I told him that he is a repressed homosexual and that's why his relationships didn't work out, then I used his rubber duckies as an example of his latent homosexuality.
>you think he's about to obliterate you but then he tries to make out with you
Killed Lilith
>"Sloppy seconds."
Looking at the left tower, that's Luci's tower, so he's gonna stay at the hotel now? The next villains will need a serious power upgrade for there to be any stakes.
>Lucifer is chilling at the bar drinking apple cider
>Husk and AD talking about how it sucks to be on a chain with a soul-bound contract
>They both look at Lucifer
>The guy shrugs. "Sucks to suck."
They’ll probably just say in S2E1 that he can’t help them with overlords and stuff like that because ‘it goes against the social contract of hell’ or something stupid like that
>Can't sinners to Heaven
>Can't escape from Hell himself
>Not even an Elder Seraphim
He won't last even 2 seconds if Michael comes down to spank his ass (again).
>Michael
don't exist in the HH universe either
>Source: my ass
>"Heaven needs to forgive the sinners, murderers, rapists, thieves!"
>two seconds later
>"Frick you Vaggie, you lied!"
What did that mean by this?
>murderers, rapists, thieves
>Thinking that is what send someone to hell
Yes.
NTA but many Christian sects believe that you can be a total piece of shit and degenerate so long you accept Jehovah as the one true God in your heart and Jesus died for your sins.
Yeah, we call them Heretics.
And those sects would call you the heretic.
It's a religion in which not everybody is on the same page on what that religion should entail.
Nearly everyone was on the same page until some German threw a fit and ruined things for everybody including himself.
>Nearly everyone was on the same page until some German pointed out that maybe having to pay your way to heaven is bullshit
Are you sure you're not israeli?
Without works faith is dead.
Most of them are heretics.
Here's an easy riddle: is the Rapture before or after Tribulation?
They're supposed to answer before the Day of Wrath.
Oh course that does rely on you ACTUALLY feeling regret/seeking forgiveness and accepting God into your heart.
That's one of the flaws of Pascals wager.
Going through the motions just out of fear of death/punishment probably isn't enough.
Also makes me think of "the devil went down to georgia". I'm not Christian myself but even though he won the duel wouldn't betting his immortal soul be a major sin? Like unless he gets redeemed he's damned either way.
Pretty sneaky, satan!
Charlie is hypocrite and a dumbass.
>yfw Gabriel looks like this
>Kicked the utter shit out of Minos with zero hesitation
>Secretly felt bad about The Ferrymen and went out of his way to make them feel better/regain hope
Would he support the hotel or not?
Definitely not, his motivation (before he got logged by a blue GoPro) was to keep Hell a place of eternal torment as he thought it was what God meant. At best he would consider Charlie's efforts incredibly foolish
Better question. How would Hell fair if V1, Minos Prime, or Sisyphus Prime were in it?
Would be funny if our favorite righteous hand of the Father was one of the only people Adam feared
There's even also a COUNCIL of angels, sound familiar?
>We have to stop heaven from culling huge swaths of the population a day!
>We did it! Now we can go back to killing each other as punchlines to jokes!
There's no difference, right? If a sinner kills another sinner their soul is obliterated the same way as though an angel does it. If so, the murder rate for the rest of the year combined probably matches whatever the angels can do in a single day.
>f a sinner kills another sinner their soul is obliterated the same way as though an angel does it.
It doesn't, that's the whole point. Hell works on a respawn system and only angel weapons ends the respawn.
I thought they merge with hell which is why there are eyes on buildings everywhere.
That’s what happens when they get killed with Angel weapons according to Vivzieshart’s old streams. If they die in Hell to anything else, they just respawn,
Isn't there some demon twat selling angelic weapons in Hellomybabyhellomyhoney? What's to stop sinners from killing other sinners with analjelloick weapons to make them permanently unalive'd?
It’s not really permadeath, since you’re still conscious after getting killed by Angelic weapons, but you just can’t do anything. But yes, you can just buy some Angel weapons in Hell if you want, and turn them into a window or door.
>and turn them into a window or door.
Maybe even a fleshlight.
>get killed by angel
>become a toilet for the rest of eternity
I take it back, Viv’s Hell actually sounds really horrible.
>Adam: "YOU SHOULD BE WORSHIPPING ME!"
Okay, which Heresy is this one?
Canon powerlevel scale
Why did you put dinosaur dog and spider there? We literally don't see them do anything.
The dinosaur chick was confirmed to be Lucifer's bodyguard (so that makes her one of the stronger overlords) and it's been implied that Zestiel is stronger than Alastor.
I want to see more of macro-fetish furry overlord
I'd argue that Katie should be bumped up if we're taking the pilot into account, she did a decent enough job grappling with Charlie. Otherwise it's not really fair to even include her or Tom on the list, considering literally all we see them do is sit behind the news desk.
Yeah, but can they beat Goku? jej
>tfw some punk tries to kill Michael with an angelic weapon
>you'll need archangelic weapon for that
>the premise is undermined in the first episode
>there are twenty things happening all the time and none are given an inch to breathe
>and also none of them matter because they keep contradicting each other
>the world makes no sense
>the themes are schizophrenic
>the music is mostly dull compared to the pilot
>very, VERY little of the 'humor' is actually funny
etc etc whatever
So much wasted potential
Anyways, What do you think is the best song in the show? I'd say its "Loser Baby"
more than anything, welcome to heaven, and the finale
poison was pretty good too, but i prefer ballads in musicals
More Than Anything!
Why didn't they keep Lute? At least as a sex slave.
How do you guys think they'll write her?
Won't
Adam is their true father and Lucifer is a loser that turned Adam’s kids into losers. Now, the good sinners no longer belong to Lucifer and Lilith. They go to Adam and Lute.
The gigantic final twist of the show will be Lucifer wasn’t joking with the pelvic thrusts and actually did frick Eve, So all humans in the HazbinHelluvaVerse are actually half-demon - halflings, Which will explain why the few humans we’ve seen in the universe so far are moronic and/or violent Invader Zim tier sub-humans who let hydrochloric get spilled in the drinking water supply and don’t try to remedy it, and don’t immediately recognise a man with entirely tomato red skin as something non human
There dosent really seem to be an actual explanation as to what would make a ‘fallen Angel’ like Lucifer different then someone like Sera, it seems more a political market then a physical thing - in a ‘biological’ sense I’m pretty sure Lucifer is just ‘100% genetically Angel’ and the Hellborn demons are just some lab experiments he cooked up.
So if he fricked Eve and NTR’d Adam then all humans should just be AoT Titan nephelim
According to the interpretation you're alluding to, Cain was Lucifer's child. All of the bloodline perished in the Flood.
NTA No. Cain went back to God after killing and it might’ve been his loyalty and desire to bring the God of Israel to his land/city (Enoch) that made God fascinated and pleased with it, that he reclaims it as Israel. Cain’s Enoch is the most blessed city and Seth’s Enoch was so beloved that God took him to the heavens.
Yet, people miss these critical details.
Those thighs could kill
Did you notice in the finale, Adam’s has a right black eye and Lute has a left black eye.
>Doesn't intervene with the exterminations because he actually despises sinners and demons
>Only shows up to the battle because Charlie was in danger
>Has a change of heart when he sees that the sinners Charlie has taken in are actually intent on bettering themselves
Rushed character development but Lucifer has potential. I also like how it's clear that he could have glassed Alastor at anytime but still chose to participate in his petty popularity contest
I wish we got more Hell politics. The best parts included the Overlord power struggle and the last two episodes. That said, we would've lost moments like Loser Baby if that was the focus of the show.
Imo he could not get involved in the extermination before as part of his treaty with heaven, but since Adam broke heaven's end of the deal by carrying the extermination 6 months after the previous one instead of waiting a whole year, the deal is now off and he can fight against them. Althought, even if this was the case it would still be poorly written since he could've just shown up before the battle instead of waiting for shit to hit the fan.
You need to understand and remember that Lucifer is a selfish prick who belongs to hell.
It’s because Alastor was Vivzie’s pet sexyman but now she hates Alastor so Lucifer is her dream daddy who is the ultimate enabler of Vivzie’s crappy writing
I think the stick has been given to Adam because he’s the saddest and the most humble daddy. While Lucifer and Alastor are too cowardly to die for anything.
Vivzie loves Alastor [I think potentially to the point of obsession], Her hatred is him being paired with literally anyone by the fandom because she wants him all to herself on a all encompassing level
i know that feeling
>sorry im late
Can't he just teleport?
His stick broke.
I need more Zestial
Why was he even introduced? He did less than Carmilla.
>*Internal monologue*
>("Oh...So he of all people fly's in and saves everyone in their moment of need...Of course...After the months i spent buttering young Charlotte up to me as well...Now she'll be joined at the hip with her loving father day-in-day-out...And in five minutes flat he even used his own magic to 'upgrade' the Hotel that 'I' and his daughter are 'partners' in...This isn't over Lucifer...Nowhere NEAR so!....")
>The literal patriarchy saves Charlie and her gay friends from a place run entirely by women except for a figurehead betacuck.
What did she mean indeed?
Lucifer being the "well frick I guess I have to see the consequences of my actions for eternity" is a good call, as long as Satan is like "lmao why so down? Fricking burn the frickers"
I like how genuinely awful Lucifer is in this show, so even if there are some good things about him, you will say, “but you suck, you deserve to be here, and Adam is better”.
That Michael or some random OC angel will humble the shit out of him during a backfired "peace talk" in S2, prompting the Hazbin crew to pull something out of their asses to beat him in the next final battle.
There will be tons of drama because Adam’s body will suddenly disappear.
Or hopefully it will be Cain
Cain being the one to come for revenge is criminally underrated and a good twist.
anyone got any good hq pics of charlie's battle/demon look, including her trident?
how's this one, anon?
yeah that's good, thanks
I know I’m super late cause everyone watches this shit as soon as it hits and blogs about it right away, but…
Episode 7
Not much to say…
-Thought the Vaggie/arms dealer song felt kinda out of place in what is supposed to be a serious tense moment, fighting for love what even is all that about?
-Vaggie just regains wings?
Episode 8
-Previous episode was all about recruiting the cannibals, the cannibals were barely used or seen in the final battle.
-Pointless showing the V gang always going back to them watching the fight. I nearly forgot Vox existed.
-Sir Pentious’ death was a waste and a joke, he got Oceangate’d and never even got a hit on the enemy, and since Charlie’s dad is so powerful, if he came to the fight earlier, he wouldn’t have died
-Charlie’s Dad, as soon as I saw him I thought “convenient plot device”, he’s so powerful he could have saved everyone. If he was so powerful why did the exterminations even need to happen?
-I was expecting more citywide reactions and joy when the angles were defeated. I know they were coming for the hotel first, but I was expect more shots of the city people during this episode.
-Still don’t know what Alastor’s deal with Charlie was. How does he repair his staff and heal?
-Does Adam “die” and stay in hell if Sir Pentious’ can “die” and go to heaven?
-Vaggie should have killed Lute I hate the trope when they don’t.
-Whats the deal with the end and Lilth?
-I was surprised Adam got killed in the end because Charlie showed him mercy and then crazy b***h Nifty stabs him. What if that comes back to bite everyone later?
- Nifty is the most consistent character.
-The tone change when they mourn Sir Pentious’ but then all of a sudden break into song about fixing the hotel, like what the frick was that? Its so weird to me. The show is either grim dark sad or its trying to be funny.
The hotel getting destroyed was no big deal, even without Alastor to use magic to fix, they all get it fixed within one song and now its bigger and better than ever. Its so moronic. We only ever saw the lobby for the entire first season.
What, like they wouldn't be able to rebuild it with all lucifer's resources and power either?
It's a by the numbers somber moment, reminiscing about what they'd gone through, what they lost, but moving forward and rebuilding.
Pretty basic and obvious.
Hell the hotel was just a base, they could continue "the mission" anywhere.
>-Does Adam “die” and stay in hell if Sir Pentious’ can “die” and go to heaven?
No. Adam is based on Jesus in that his sinless sacrifice will be resurrect the righteous and the redeemed sinners first, then Adam/Jesus arises later with the wounds to prove their resurrections/identities (the holes on Jesus’ hands, the hole in Adam’s chest). Although, Adam might show his fat naked body when they find his clothes on the ground and wonder “what freak took his body and what are they are doing with it.”
Vees in the 8th episode were a nice way to make a viewer look at the conflict from a distance. Not everybody in hell cares about charlie, or even the exterminations. TV guy was only interested in watching Aljobster getting humiliated
>be me
>dont give a shit about this dumb show
>just think Lucifer is sexy
>go to r34
>there is no good lewd images of him, this was 1 of maybe 3 decent ones I could find
Frick this world.
Exquisite taste anon. Have a devil daddy
And another
One more!
there's shockingly few characters that have GOOD porn, much less on model porn.
Is there a 'do it for him' for Alastor by chance?
i've made one for most of the boys by now in a fit of mental illness. enjoy, anon.
I feel like one shouldn't be able to die in hell and be reborn in heaven. Seems kinda broken. And does this also imply that the angels will be reborn in hell?
It also makes me wonder where all the other souls that "died" went to.
If they aren’t righteous, they become a part of hell itself forever and ever.
I swear I feel like every time I come to Cinemaphile this show gets more and more deeper into chaos.
Maybe Satanism in it's final form shows it's true colors with this show - total uncertain plotpoints.
It’s nearly impossible to embrace Satan/Lucifer in this show since the sinner has to love the givers of sin (Lucifer and Lute) over the objectively good parents (Adam and Lute), and bad sinners are rewarded with death that only Adam can overcome.
Lucifer is a tiny loser who cannot truly fulfill a sinner and turns other humans into delusional losers like himself that are never satisfied with the way things are. (Exactly like the main villain in Guardians of the Galaxy 3)
So I literally don’t know what was this show made for. Especially when it puts into context about Helluva Boss in that we should HATE the hell born (including Blitzo, Moxxie, and Millie) because they make Adam cry when they slaughter, corrupt, manipulate, and control Adam’s children, making them the sons of Lucifer instead. Literally nothing about HB is funny anymore when Adam and Lute enter the picture and you have to see how demoralized they are.
>Cue Adam crying on his paper because he is expecting his own death and his fears of failing to save his children once and for all. Like Christ did in the Bible.
So my guess is that Viv wants to bake her cake and eat it so the gays and Alastors/Lilith’s/Lucifer’s/Sins rest “comfortably” hell for eternity, while Adam and Lute get the children they wanted back in heaven (Sir Pentious, etc.) for eternity.
That’s literally the only way I can see this making any sense in her mind. Since the demons canonically do not deserve to be in Heaven in HER setting.
Dude you have 2INT.
Anon for the last fricking time it was Emily that cried on the paper.
Emily got the paper, crossed it out, and shows it to Sera. It has nothing in it to make her cry. Unlike Adam who is thinking about his children at the time and what they shouldn’t do.
You simps are crazy.
I'm going to rewatch the episode to prove this shit makes no sense, I'll be back.
Seems I misremembered the scene.
That said, I think those are grease stains.
Projection.
You know what is really going to piss you off? The show makes fun of the modern church's way of treating/seeing Jesus by having Angel Dust represent him.
All that shit about "you can have me any way you want me" bullshit is making fun of how all modern christians sound like they want to suck him off.
>The show makes fun of the modern church's way of treating/seeing Jesus by having Angel Dust represent him.
Angel sinned, so by default, he can’t die for sin.
Ironically, Angel dust is more like a fake Christian who fooled Charlie into thinking he is good. Just like the homosexual, Vox, did when he was a televangelist on Earth.
So you canonically cannot fool the system to take you to Heaven. He has to let go of his pleasures to enter Heaven and see his sister.
You are a literal moron that can not see things happening on more than one level and representing more than one thing at the same time in the same story.
I genuinely don’t know what are you are talking about. You provide no references, dialogue, or clips to make your conclusions or theories make sense. Nor analyzed the characters motivations and plots effectively to make me go “oh, you are right.” Or “maybe you are into something” like when an anon talk about “Lute realizing Adam is a bad and selfish person under woman logic” which leads me to realize that Lute was going to be tempted to betray Adam, like Eve and Lilith, because she was separated from him for a time, since she would be the one to break the curse for that, like Adam did for sinners.
Charlie doesn’t have a Jesus arc.
angel dust doesn’t even have a false Jesus thing going on.
The only thing that is a false Jesus by far is Vox occasionally being a false pastor/prophet/savior (and his mortal past) but he openly wants to be the new Lucifer of Hell, like Alastor is.
The modern church treats jesus like a fricking prostitute to pimp out for $$$ exactly like Vox treats Angel Dust.
lmfao
I mean you are not wrong. I figured Adam while bleeding would have a bit of a sympthy with both his literal and metaphorical mask breaking and showing how broken he is on the inside with his loss of both wives and tainting of his race via the apple. Having a death with some kind of sadness as the cast could look more with pity as he dies rather than this weird short notice stabbing by Nifty.
In plain form it is, there is no Jesus nor almighty, all-knowing omniprescent God in the show. The backstory of Lucifer on the book tries to portray him as the good guy.
defending mediocre writing, he didn't try to redeem shit and was the most fricking basic "douchebag guy" ever, considering he is the antagonist of the season, he got no character development AT ALL. If anything the last 3 episodes look cramped with a lot of Disney writing.
From the Disney writing of him "slowly feeling friendly and rejecting it" it seems like that
So the homosexuals that sucked off Adam are STILL here?
Lute got what she deserved.
Will we ever see the War in Heaven in a flashback?
>Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
>—Revelation 12:7–10 (NIV)
Probably not, since Jesus doesn’t have to step in as the second Adam, when the first Adam didn’t fall.
Maybe it would be a gag of Lucifer making a desperate attempt of gathering his bros together and try to take it over, after getting banished for the Apple, only for Michael and seraphim to easily kick them out.
All front of Adam’s fear-full eyes of “What was that????” and making the girl that keeps rejecting him (Lute) laugh her butt off.
The Book of Revelation goes hard, it's a shame Viv will never attempt to adapt it.
"19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
I mean its a nice lore, but the longer I think about it, it just sounds moronic. Do people unironically believe in this shit? And no, Im not a fedora tipping atheist
Only schizos do.
John’s writing about the Romans, so I mean yeah. I don’t think most denominations of Christianity take Rev literally. It’s almost explicitly an allegory
No. Our world is legit going to be that bad soon.
>Im not a fedora tipping atheist
>The longer I think about it, it just sounds moronic
Anon, that's just mythology in general, pretty much all of them had weird stupid shit designed for the sake of symbolism or to explain something off about the world
Revelations has been almost universally agreed to be allegorical, outside of vocal schizos.
why was lucifer cast out of heaven in the hazbin hotel verse again?
giving the apple to eve
He was "too big a dreamer" according to Charlie, but I imagine we'll learn get more details in the next season.
Giving humanity free will which introduced the consequence of evil to infect Heaven's perfect world.
Lucifer is the fricking snake and apple from the god damn tree
dragging in material from Helluva just fricks up the story and it's obviously left out because theyre telling a different story in a different verse.
He wanted to give humanity free will and had good intentions, but humans turned out to be buttholes, and lucifer was forced to live in hell with all the sinners aka humans who used their free will for evil.
He was overly optimistic like his daughter. Guess we know where she got it from.
Lucifer’s core villainous reason for being in hell is:
>You didn't want to make things perfect. You just hate things the way they are.
He’s genuinely not a good person at all in this show and the show uses Adam to prove a point that what Lucifer did was insanely messed up, but he never felt bad for what he did (Stealing Adam’s wives and family from him), but for what happened to himself.
Nothing he does can save the sinners, because he is too unworthy to ever take Adam’s place. And in this show’s vague rules (provided by Adam), Lucifer will never be truly selfless, stop stealing/corrupting everything that doesn’t belong to him, nor force the Sins and Hellborn to drop their operations on corrupting Adam’s children on Earth (sticking to the man).
He’s a selfish, power-tripping/seeking, thieving, cowardly loser that only cares when bad things happen to him. That’s really really really bad….
>He’s genuinely not a good person at all in this show and the show uses Adam to prove a point that what Lucifer did was insanely messed up,
bro are you from an alternate timeline or something
>Um, the show makes you feel bad for him and gives him some likable traits.
Like Alastor, but he is still a bastard unworthy of going to heaven. The Cherubs got punished with banishment for much less.
Here’s the weird part. Viv wanted us to HATE Lucifer and realize that Adam’s misogyny to Lilith/Eve/Lute and meanness towards sinners was never from a selfish. Adam loves women and considers the vegana to be the “greatest thing ever” and he loved the sinners enough to be angry with them on rejecting Adam for “some clown or something”.
What Lucifer said about Lilith and Eve would make Lilith regret ever replacing Adam with Lucifer. Because that was so utterly horrible that Adam felt really bad for them, even when they did him wrong! Rosie/Lilith watched it happen on live television, so you can bet that she felt like a big fricking idiot!
After Adam dies, Vivziepop wanted us to realize that Adam was the good guy are along, and the one who deserves the love from the sinners instead. Because in the foreground, it looks like Adam lost everything and Lucifer is getting everything he desired. But in the background, Adam is coming back to see Lute, the redeemed sinners, and the sinners. Adam finally had a woman who stays loyal to him and loves him just as much as he loves her. In the background, Lilith knows that Lucifer cheated on her and masqueraded himself (hinted in his powers) to be a guy who understands her. Almost of the good sinners Lucifer sees promises on will one day leave him behind and reunite with Adam. In the background, when Adam resurrects, he will be stronger than Lucifer’s overconfident ass.
Lucifer lost everything on that day and we know he deserves it! He took everything from Adam, and now they can be taken away from him.
Remember this, the character sheets for Adam and Lucy are meant to be “on the surface to secure the twists”. Viv said she likes “writing Adam the most” and did this.
>Viv wanted us to HATE Lucifer
LMFAO!
Stopped reading there. Shut up and stop smoking bath salts.
hey! don't be disrespectful. my peers and i have swallowed, snorted, and smoked bath salts many times and it never made any of us as anywhere nearly as stupid as the adam schizo
I'm going to die laughing.
tell charlie and the gang i said hi when you get there
Lucifer is garbage because he is a shit and poorly design and written version of a character.
I want this to be true but vivziepop is definitely not that good of a writer. Vivziepop clearly gets off on pwning Christians which is why Lucifer is just a wholesome short king and why adam is repersented as the universe's biggest douche. I geniunelly think the only reason adam is so likable is because vivzie is just a bad writer
Nta, but this, I also want the scenario where Cain kills him and avenges Adam to happen now. I came up with it and now it really interests me.
>adam is so likable
Yes.
Not really hard for the so called villain to be likable in a setting with killers, rapists, cannibals, arsonists and child molesters.
Yes
correct.
Yes
>I geniunelly think the only reason adam is so likable is because vivzie is just a bad writer
Anon. When Adam talked about how “uncool” hell and its residents are in episode 1, he literally almost started breaking down and crying. We know Adam became out of shape since Eden thanks to Lucifer, which reveals how utterly depressed and demoralized Lucifer has made him become since he destroyed Eve and humankind as a whole, by “perfecting it”.
This is the father of all sinners who actually mourns for them, not fake boy Lucifer.
Viv introduced Adam and Lute as “Lil Adam and *cough* Lute” to highlight Eve’s mysterious absence being a massive blow to Adam’s mental state and life.
The last thing Adam said was:
“I’m $&$&&$$ Adam!
I’m the &@$&$&& man, and you’re just some $@&&&@ clown or something.
I started everything on Earth.
All of mankind came from these $@&$$$ nuts.
You all should be worshipping me (as your true father), you ungrateful, disgusting &@$&&$ losers!”
He died as a pissed off, disappointed, and depressed father who wanted his children to come back to HIM! He did everything for his children to get a second chance so they can know him.
I admire the effort you put into trying to make mediocre writing sound more palatable.
He's just a frat boy dude. That's the entire joke. The first man is a stereotypical white douche.
This show is mediocre. Adam and Lute are simply astonishing characters that have their own 9/10 plotline that literally redefines the world building and how bad Hell/Lucifer truly are when you remove their styles and see the horrible substances inside them.
It's really not that complex. Viv wants everyone to love Lucifer and hate Adam and that's the end of it. Look at how she writes every other villain and protagonist. This shit happens all the time. Whoever is good is some innocent woobie that must be protected and villain is a turbo butthole that makes Micah from RDR2 and Erebus from 40k go "That's not subtle enough". It just how she writes. Badly.
>Viv wants everyone to love Lucifer and hate Adam and that's the end of it. Look at how she writes every other villain and protagonist. This shit happens all the time. Whoever is good is some innocent woobie that must be protected and villain is a turbo butthole
Anon. Adam was the man that saw his own wive and children become unrecognizable monsters because Lucifer treated them like test subjects instead of living beings.
And of all princes in Hell, Lucifer’s monster form looks like a fricking resident evil monster.
And in the fight between Lucifer and Adam, we saw both of their masks break apart. Adam’s is human even when he’s at his breaking point, and Lucifer’s face and body becomes purely demonic and corrupted. Lucifer revealed that he didn’t actually love Lilith and Eve and saw them accessories to steal, corrupt, and frick from Adam. But Adam revealed he truly loved Lute and his children on his death and doesn’t regret sacrificing himself for his children.
We are not supposed to like Lucifer. We are supposed to realize that he deceived Charlie and the main cast into thinking he is a good guy. But, Alastor knew the truth about him because the real Lilith (Rosie) had him over that night and… it made Alastor overly emotional and disturbed at the idea he was tricking others into thinking he loved them….
This series is stupidly heavy and detailed on the character writing for Adam, Lute, Lucifer, and Alastor (representing/knowing Lilith).
I think you are just coping and wish there was this much complexity to it. There is not. There is really not. Viv does not deal in complexity.
>Lucifer’s core villainous reason for being in hell
his spirit was spread to us his children as our own holy spirit that is one with the great I AM, God the All Father. Lucifer being bound to earth in hell with is is because he lives here in his bloodline as our divine legacy and the taint of original sin.
>Lucifer being bound to earth in hell with us is because he lives here in his bloodline as our divine legacy and the taint of original sin.
It is the answer to every riddle. Deny it if you will but it unlocks every secret.
Its crazy seeing people defend lucifer's actions on twitter or reddit whatever. It just felt gross when lucifer mocked adam during their fight, he was totally asking to get his shit kicked in. Lucifer took everything from Adam because he had beef with angels and continues to be a homosexual about it to this day. We're supposed to root for him. Insane.
cope and seethe morningstars won
While I've been coping and seething you've been squirting and creaming pal
can you blame me?
Why is Charlie's eye exploding out of her head?
I think that is a flower
better pic I guess
>because he had beef with angels
that sounds more like what the cannibals did than lucifer
moron salty that cuck Adam died?
Yeah, these guys (I think it might just be two, one is a phoneposter) are going to be all over the HH threads for the next, I don't know, two years?
Sounds miserable.
>not throwing peanuts at the monkeys
and these threads deserve even more, hope you get more shipper schizos
Nah. I’m not Salty. I’m just glad Vivziepop was smart enough to give the W to Adam and shown us that Lucifer is actually the most evil bastard in Hell that deserved to lose the sinner child custody case to Adam and Lute, without even knowing it. Lucifer doesn’t even get the gloat of “saving sinners” because his pride on his “mercy” ironically allowed Niffty (an unstable Adam daughter) to take the glory instead of that stupid Clown. He wanted to perform a sacrifice on a lamb in episode 5 and he cucked himself out of the “once-in-a-eternity” chance to fix his own mistakes. While revealing his true nature to the real Lilith on live television, thinking he was getting an “upper hand” on Adam by gloating about what made him into the most hated being in all of creation. (It’s no wonder Lucifer is a clown, Vivziepop wanted us to literally consider him a clown who doesn’t deserve our respect. Like how Adam’s “evil mask” is actually a lamb to foreshadow Adam’s loving-selfless sacrifice for his sinners, as their true father. ; _ 😉
Lucifer only had special abilities, a grand mind, and amazing privileges that were given to him in the start. Nothing else about him that is real, selfless, loving, brave, and honorable.
He’s exactly the kind of “nice guy” that Vivziepop would hate the most.
Lucifer doesnt care about the sinnners
Youre schizoposting dude Adam is an overcompensating spurned butthole who wants entertainment/revenge that's what makes him hot I mean great
>Adam is an overcompensating spurned butthole who wants entertainment/revenge
Vaggie’s and Carmine’s song literally spells out the origins of Adam’s overwhelming powers that are capable of killing sinners and angels. Adam cannot use hate and vengeance to form his powerful and devastating blasts. They had to come from him fighting for LOVE.
lmao
Did you forget what the embodiment of Love, God, did in Genesis 6?
Damn I should've realized the song about how to get better at fighting was secretly about Adam's deathray love powers, thank you for your secret knowledge adamzchizo
Really???? But Carmine literally hammers it over, and over, and over again that the true power to kill angels is from fighting for Love.
We see a huge absence of it from Lucifer (who has to turn ugly and corrupted to display his true powers) while Adam never becomes a monster to use his full set of powers against Lucifer. Just like Vaggie and Carmine in their fights.
Angelic weapons are the way to kill angels and sinners proper, fighting for love is how to be motivated and focused enough to win, specifically with vaggie who struggles with being overconfident in battle like all angels
>fighting for love is how to be motivated and focused enough to win,
Which is what Adam and Lute had to push through. Adam refused to leave unless they killed him (like he desired).
>amazing privileges that were given to him in the start
Bit hypocritical, Adam spawned in the garden of Eden
Not in the HH universe. There is no God. This Adam was just the first human.
Lucifer doesnt care about Adams pastime he just beat him for the lulz
Gonna be honest, I was waiting for Sir Pentious to appear out of some rubble and go "im fine! that was my holographic AI body double!"
I really didn't want to except they killed him off in such a stupid fashion, onto of the fact his death was pointless because Lucy showed up and saved the day in the end. Could shown up a bit earlier bro.
Then he wouldn’t be redeemed
Does everyone have to die in a sacrificial fashion to be redeemed? What about just doing some good deeds?
I didn't want Sir Pentious to leave! I liked him. Hate to sound like a pajeet, but
>Sir Pentious, do not redeem!
>Does everyone have to die in a sacrificial fashion to be redeemed? What about just doing some good deeds?
The whole point is not even the angels know what the actual standards are, thus Adam making up his interpretation on the spot.
They also didn't believe that redemption was possible at all. Which they believed was confirmed when Angel didn't suddenly ascend after the teensiest bit if good behavior, which I interpreted more as them shutting down the possibility early to avoid cognitive dissonance what with all the angels in the audience murmuring and starting to question things.
As for pentious there's the possibility he'll become our window into the heaven side of things if we get another season.
Lucifer needs to give Charlie inbred nearly full archangel babies
adam dying/losing really broke some brains here huh
Yes it sure did.
Christcucks are just that fragile
if homosexuality is bad then why did angels make adam so hot
>people think these guys are the archangels
>inb4 they're actually all archons
Wouldn't there need to be more of them?
The same way the modern world views someone like H.P. Lovecraft or Crowley - People in the near future [If not now, In my own case] will view Vivziepop in much the same way.
As she has managed to pick up the torch which both of them set down and continued moving in the direction they did by successfully imprinting her message into the popular culture.
Look at the usage of the names of the spirits of the Ars-Goetia and the daemons of the daemonology.
Look at how she has successfully mass-replicated the sigils of the Ars-Goetia in her work [primarily of Stolas], And through the show itself and its merchandising has broadcast it to millions upon millions of T.V.'s and tablets and plastered it up in millions of rooms. [Notably
Look at the creation of sigils for her own inventive-deity [Alastor] present within Hazbin Hotel.
She even creates new symbology and Sigology for deities within popular-thought which so far yet to have any.
>The same way the modern world views someone like H.P. Lovecraft or Crowley - People in the near future [If not now, In my own case] will view Vivziepop in much the same way.
I've thought about that possibility, and the idea scares me. Religious branches and personality cults based on the ideas of a deviantArt fujo who never managed to grow out of her edge phase. It's horrifying.
>The same way the modern world views someone like H.P. Lovecraft or Crowley
>Crowley
uh no. he is largely un-influential.
zoomers don't even know who he is.
most millennials don't either, nor have they read anything by him.
>Look at the creation of sigils for her own inventive-deity [Alastor] present within Hazbin Hotel.
I already did that, Here's all the ones that i've seen in the show so far when he does his voodoo stuff.
Vaggie gets to play with Charlie's adorable demon tail whenever she wants. She won big time.
Vaggie and Emily* part of the diplomacy package
That is hilarious.
He needs to pump Charlie's womb full of Archangel babies
I just got here can someone give me a thread recap
Y'know, when I saw the pilot I thought the series would focus on how Hell works and redeeming the sinners. Given that the society and enviroment actively encourages the sinners to plot and fight amongst themselves while the hellborn supply them with the means to do so. With Charlie, as sinners arrive and relay problems they have with the upper echelons of Hell, having to fight and maybe even use politics to resolve problems with the bigger players with Heaven not being a major presence until farther into the show.
Adam and Lute did nothing wrong
Rev 18:1-8
>After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:
>“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
>She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit,
>a haunt for every unclean bird,
>a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
>For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries.
>The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
>and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
>Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
>“‘Come out of her, my people,’
>so that you will not share in her sins,
>so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven,
>and God has remembered her crimes.
>Give back to her as she has given;
>pay her back double for what she has done.
>Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
>Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
>In her heart she boasts,
>‘I sit enthroned as queen.
>I am not a widow;
>I will never mourn.’
>Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine.
>She will be consumed by fire,
>for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
The angels and exorcists are based.
>>Give back to her as she has given;
>>pay her back double for what she has done.
>>Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
>>Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine.
>>She will be consumed by fire,
>>for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Why are the angels in the bible even more bloodthirsty?
This is kind of true because irl, sinners can't be redeemed once they go to hell according to Christianity and Catholicism. They had their whole mortal lives to repent and if they didn't, well, it's over for them.
Anon the bible mentions many times that there will be a second judgement, in which all are judged.
Nice try tho
Yeah, but one is for the unbelievers and the other is for the believers. In the first one, all unbelievers are doomed and thrown into hell for their names are not written in the Book of Life. In the second, the actions of the believers will be judged to see if they really followed the teachings of Christ.
Christianity goes far beyond catholicism.
someone factions of Christianity dont even believe in hell
MORNINGSTAR SUPERIORITY
YES
Cool angle.
>tfw victory sex with daughterfu
I like the Vees
i need all three of them to use me like a fleshlight
hot
>*BRAP*
You know, With Charlie, When i saw her redesign i said 'RUINED!'
But you know what?, She's growing on me, She cute If i headcanon away how ugly they made her pig-feet
Nah her hooves are absolutely adorable.
IS THAT FRICKING STELLA!?
it's sera but it's likely another commentary on heaven/hell being two sides of the same coin
When I was at work, I thought it would be fricking funny if a new character introduced to the show was a former angel who got kicked out of Heaven for being annoying. Not sinning, not betraying, not anything serious. Just being annoying.
So why did adam go to heaven? Schizos who think adam is supposed to be Jesus need not reply. I'm guessing vivzie's reasons will just be something like the angels let him in even though he was le evil cuz he was the first man
>. I'm guessing vivzie's reasons will just be something like the angels let him in even though he was le evil cuz he was the first man
Isn't that canon? Sera says something like, "well he was the first man".
How can he be evil if didn't eat the apple?
Nobody knows. Adam said that acting selfless, not stealing, and sticking it to the man got him into heaven but he also was very nervous and said "yeah, that sure got me here. right, Sera?" and Sera was like "well, he was the first human soul in heaven". She doesn't know either.
I mean he was let into Heaven in Paradiso and was an angel (or something similar) Adam definitely dies in the Biblical canon.
>charlie had an edgy phase
Goth Daughters
Oh frick. Sorry.
>Everyone thinks Alastor is going to be the big bad
No fricking way, that would be way too obvious. The entire show is meant to be a big subversion of shit, so subverting expectations of a character is going to happen. Mark my words, he'll not only be reformed/sent to Heaven, he will also become a homosexual who falls in love with an angel.
He doesn't have to be the big bad but he could still be the 'just below the big bad' like Dio in JoJo part 7.
I'm calling it: The plot of the final season is going to be Charlie redeeming him, his evilness having been ground down over the course of the show.
>that would be way too obvious
Yeah, not like the unpredictability of having to fight Heaven in the last episode.
>Bible Lucifer is cool as frick and neat story
>Hazin version is lame as frick
Dude's a bum in any reality.
It’s quite amazing how accurate Lucifer is in this show that he’s written to be a manipulative monster who dresses himself in dead white clothes. And when you have the other Princes in mind from HB, it’s clear he is actually pushing humans to sin on Earth with the Hellborn (creatures that Lucifer and the Princes created), so he doesn’t want humans to redeem themselves on Earth. He wants humans in hell to see whatever comes out of them, which is scary.
I tried to sit through this show, it's unbearable to me. I'm not even a Christian.
You can skip right to the Adam and Lute parts, Lucifer parts (except the song), and Lilith/rosie and Alastor parts to get a grasp of the lore.
Almost everything else is seto-filler to establish characters.
I know it's its own Universe and stuff, but this shit seems like a cringe fanfiction..
Prediction.
>The show will go full cape-shit at some point and reveal that asides from Christian heaven and hell, Asgard, Some voodoo afterlife place and Chinese people confushi heaven also exist.
I mean why not? It would at least explain why there seems to be only people from modern history. Also I’m not keen on the lore but where the frick are all the historical figures? Is there like a super hell or something?
You fricking moron. There's only people from modern history because of the yearly exterminations. It's extremely rare for someone to last through hundreds of those, and when one has, they get a reputation for being ancient (Zestiel).
So angry for a simple question
i wish they would spitroast me
>Season 2 leaked scene:
We all saw your mistake.
>*Radio voice cut's off*
>"Madame Lilith...W...What are you doing down here in H...Hell? You didn't inform me you were comi-"
>"Alastor...I told you that your job was to 'protect and watch over my daughter while she pursued her little Hotel fantasy.'"
>"A...And i've done just that!...Young charlotte and her friends are all safe and sound..."
>"Yes, Yes she is...At least for now...but..."
>*Neck chokes Alastor into a wall*
>"WHAT PART OF OUR LITTLE ARRANGEMENT SAID 'I WILL LET CHARLIE START A WAR WITH HEAVEN AND END UP KILLING ADAM SO NOW ALL OF HEAVEN IS UP IN ARMS'"?
>"Y...Y...You didn't tell me i had to intervene in her schemes...Just...Just to AHHHH!...Just protect and observe...her"
>"...."
>*Drops Alastor*
>"Well i suppose that's fair, I didn't precisely tell you NOT to do that after-all...Your free to go...For now."
>"W...Wonderful seeing you again madame Lili-"
>"Actually no, One more thing...I can't exactly be seen in public down here...And i couldn't bring any of those oily pool boys down here..."
>"...?, Oh, NO!, Madame Lilith i really mus-"
>"Naked. Now."
>*Teardrops roll down cheeks while still making their goofy smile*
he looks so happy
Hey guys, Satan here (
), ask me anything
I want an action figure for Christmas, also when is season 2?
Go frick yourself.
Okay and it's gonna be 16 months minimum.
Why did Lucifer cuck Adam twice?
Looking at finale, Adam cucked him back
I mean, what else would he want from Lilith?
He wanted to take the kids back. Which is why Lilith was utterly pissed.
If Adam was freeing the sinners from their sins by paying for them, that would mean Lilith would be dragging down the best sinners into hell to keep lifting herself up like a parasite. So, Lilith has to prevent Adam’s kids from being redeemed in Hell or else she will have to drop down into Hell.
Adam and Lute wanted her to frick off from Heaven.
>Trying to cuck each other out
>The woman was just using them
A tale as old as man, they both should know better than to try and win the heart of a genuine prostitute.
His kids back.
This is basically what happened in a nutshell.
%3D%3D
Speaking of prostitutes.
What would the prostitute of babylon be like in hazbin hotel?
I hope Jesus shows up and puts both the Hell resident and Angels in their place.
Isn’t that Adam’s role in HH?
No. Adam was based on Adam. If anything Messiah would be a Jesus character.
Anon, Jesus is called the second Adam.
If the original Adam didn’t fall, he could’ve been the proper and perfect sacrifice for sinners, just like HH Adam.
There is no God in HH. So Jesus will never show up.
>There is no God in HH
Please tell me you’re joking
Why don’t people realize that Adam is the one that is representing God, his love, his wrath, and his desires to have mankind return to him, by being the image of God that is never corrupted.
HE. CANT. REPERSENT. ANYTHING. BECAUSE. VIVZIEPOP. IS. moronic.
Don't bother, this spamming moron has been spewing his shit nonstop in literally every hazbin thread like a broken record
Is this real or you’re head canon? Because you can’t have a show with Heaven and Hell without God, that’s like having a show about Norse Mythology without Odin.
>T. Didn’t read the Bible.
Great. Another worthless person who needs to read the source material before they speak a damn thing.
That’s not a good argument anymore. And you know it. Sometimes, Good writers make bad choices. And Bad writers make great choices. And that’s how things are. Understanding the context of Adam explains almost everything about Lucifer’s true nature and how his “good ideas” are actually lies to the highest degree in that ultimately, he was experimenting on humans (eve) for his greed to faint more power. Even his ascension form looks like a completely messed up abomination, as if he was experimenting on his own body… HE DID! HE DID!
He’s so utterly creepy.
You speak exactly like a broken record and literally offer no other great-good suggestions or ideas to break any scripts or make people go “oh, maybe this cool thing will happen”. Didn’t I warn you about that earlier bot-non?
>adult octavia
>3 meters tall, breasts like basketballs
>a deep vegana that requires a horse to satisfy
I just want a human to show up in the middle of the demon and angels and just tell them both they suck and to go frick off.
Demon anon and Charlie sex.
I have unironic questions as someone who doesn't watch cartoons really but keeps seeing this art style on twitter. Is Hazbin the same world/spinoff of Helluva boss? Is it better than clone high new season because that shit sucks and I need a new comedy cartoon to watch at work.
>Is Hazbin the same world/spinoff of Helluva boss
Yes, HB was a spin-off series to tide people over while Viv was getting HH done.
> Is Hazbin the same world of Helluva boss?
Yes. It’s the original show. HB is the spin-off. Although, Adam is meant to look bad and Lucifer is meant to look good in the beginning, but later on, the roles get totally flipped to where Adam is the true hero and father of Sinners and Lucifer exposes himself as being nothing more than an evil deceiving monster that only cares about himself and gloating about the greatest evils he committed on Earth (deceiving Lilith and Eve and separating them from Adam)..
> Is it better than clone high new season because that shit sucks and I need a new comedy cartoon to watch at work.
Yes. Clone High wasn’t actually good.
Is there some fricking source material somewhere I’m missing, or are people just posting made up theories?
>Ozzie, Mammon, Beezlebub in HB discuss about their pasts or have backgrounds revealed by Vivziepop. They are fallen angels who were buds with Lucifer.
>HB has Imps openly allow sinners to kill humans on Earth, succibus and other Hell born are ordered by Hell to be pop stars and influencers that push humans to sin.
>Hellborn are not created by God because they lack the immortality of sinners, angels, and heaven born. Thus, they had to be created under the Princes of Hell
>HH reveals the biased perspective Lilith on Lucifer, trying to praise his ideas, in episode 1.
>Lucifer treats the sinners like failed, annoying lab experiments instead of people he wronged and feel bad for. He never seeks to help them, which is a massive red flag on his true nature.
>Lucifer’s full angel form is the most corrupted and messed up out of the Princes, implying he corrupted himself just like Eve, under experiments. Which means he was never satisfied with his gifts.
>Lucifer’s comments on Lilith and Eve in Episode 8 shown that never regretted on what he did to them and Adam. He is only sad for getting rightfully punished by Heaven. Displaying exactly why Adam called him “the most hated being in all of creation.” And Adam is canonically never wrong about anything. Which is very scary to think about.
are not created by God because they lack the immortality of sinners, angels, and heaven born. Thus, they had to be created under the Princes of Hell
There is no god in the Hellaverse. The top angels, the seraphim, created everything after just popping into existence one day. There are only like 6 or 7 of them. Lucifer was one and was cast into hell for providing humans with free will and fricking up the other's plans to control everything with perfect order
Adam is God’s most beloved son in HH. So he only talks to him.
>for providing humans with free will
Adam is literally the most influential being in all of creation because he never ate the fruit and remained pure. Lucifer’s free will is a lie. He’s only seeking for himself.
Haven’t seen HB, but idk man, I think a lot of people are hoping this show has a lot more intrigue and depth then it will end up having.
I don’t Lucifer will turn out to be a bad guy, and I don’t think Adam will turn out to be some savior figure. There’s something weird going down with Al and Lilith but I think that’s the extent of it
> I think a lot of people are hoping this show has a lot more intrigue and depth than it will end up having.
I honestly never did because I thought it was going to be shallow, “Adam bad”, and “Lucifer is misunderstood”. But no.
Lucifer here is almost exactly like he is described in the Bible (masquerading as an angel of light, like we see in his white appearance and clothes) and Adam in this show, as proven in episode 6, struggles to understand and describe what sin is, because he is a sinless man.
The entire time in HH, Lucifer is gloating about the fruit of good and evil instead of regretting ever making it in the first place. And Alastor is given extra details about him by Lilith, but Alastor also knows how Lilith/Rosie feels because they constantly talked together, and the implication about Alastor’s behavior in episode 8 is quite troubling. You see, Alastor doesn’t like it when women cry and considers them the vulnerable sex that need protecting. So if Lilith is feeling down, he feels down too.
Both shows are by the same creator and they take place in the same universe. Helluva Boss pilot was released some time after the Hazbin Hotel pilot, so HB is considered a spinoff of HH.
However, Helluva Boss is an independent Youtube series while Hazbin Hotel is on Amazon Prime. I don't know if either series will be able to directly reference the other. It might cause a legal clusterfrick regarding copyrights/licensing/etc.
I haven't watched Clone High so can't make comparisons. I don't think either HH or HB is particularly good. But they are polarizing and controversial, and they provide a lot of entertainment because of that aspect.
Ok but what does Verbalase represent and where does he fit into the cosmology?
The god in Hazbin Hotel is Vivzi the Pop. There I solved the mystery. That'll be $20 or a non expired coupon from Chili's to get that margarita chicken I like.
Imagine if demon Adam was at the hotel and he finds that story book that Charlie was reading in ep 1.
>Charlie, let me tell you what really happened at eden.
More?
Nope
>People still think Lucifer actually loves Lilith and Adam “deserves hell”.
For real? Lucifer shown off how he “respected” her in the finale episode heartlessly, that Adam felt bad for her.
Literally, the foreshadowing Rosie is Lilith was the implication that Alastor spent the night witnessing her heart break into pieces. So on that fight, Lilith and Lute ended up crying over their lover for two completely different reasons.
Dickmaster is back
Lucifer is too good for hell heaven or earth.
Hell is shown as a pretty good place, not a punishment for sinners. Why sinners should even want a redemption, especially now when Extermination canceled?
That's basically my take. No one in hell seems to really mind being there, and if anything they seem to revel in the debauchery of various flavors.
Personally if would have been more interesting if they had leaned into Heaven being Law and Hell being Chaos and everyone accepting that Chaos isn't inherently bad. Then Charlie just tries to make hill a bit nicer and forces Heaven to frick off
Anon, Lucifer, the daddy of Hell, is mega mega mega evil. Who is only seen as a good person or a hero under the sinners he deceived (Lilith/Rosie included). And it’s implied that after the fight with Adam, Alastor saw Lilith breaking down in tears over what Lucifer said about her on live TV.
He is the perfect face of Hell and it’s all style and no substance. Hell represents the very corruption and evil Lucifer brought to reality, which is never truly completely undone when the sinned humans and redeemed sinners become winners. And even under that corruption, Adam wants to love them and praise them. Lucifer is never satisfied by the immense power and influence he had in Heaven, so he corrupted the Earth (by experimenting on Eve) and waged a war on heaven with the Princes of Hell to try to take it over.
Hell is always Hell because he and his corruptions are the ones in charge, and no one can collapse him because he is the most corrupted and powerful being in Hell.
Sex with _____
Lute
MaskedLute
FRAUDam
>only loses to King of Hell
>This thread was cute and all but its time to die with rest of them.
Luci is so hot FRICK
Huh? He looks like a fricking furry.
Not a furry I just wanna frick him (and alastor)
You have a lot going on with you, don't you?
Look man I just like what I like
Charlotte is not attractive to me.