>Heey , the previous episodes of the Extermination plotline didn't matter because I can just walk in and solve ALL of the problems!

>Heey , the previous episodes of the Extermination plotline didn't matter because I can just walk in and solve ALL of the problems!

What the FRICK did viv mean by this???

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even in times of trouble and mayhem, family is eternal, and your father should always be there for you.
    It's quite redpilled, isn't it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Even in times of trouble and mayhem, family is eternal
      So when is Cain going to beam him with a rock?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cain kills Lucifer
        That could be next level writing if done right.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >show shot of a desert on earth
          >show hooded figure about to enter cave
          >cave is full of bones of various animals
          >another figure comes out of shadows and grabs hooded figure removing hood
          >it’s Lute
          >he sees she is angel and throws her to the ground telling her to frick off or die
          >she is about to tell him off when she remembered why she came to the cave in the first place
          >”Cain… your father is dead”
          >figure steps out of shadows revealing absolutely jacked dude with a brand in the center of his chest and look of cold fury on his face
          >”What happen”
          >”It was Lucifer”
          >show a shot of Cain tightly grasping a rock in his hand before fading to black

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If that prancing homosexual died by getting his head smashed in with a rock it would be the best scene in the whole series.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not to mention it would be pretty ironic for him to be killed by the first murderer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >show shot of a desert on earth
        >show hooded figure about to enter cave
        >cave is full of bones of various animals
        >another figure comes out of shadows and grabs hooded figure removing hood
        >it’s Lute
        >he sees she is angel and throws her to the ground telling her to frick off or die
        >she is about to tell him off when she remembered why she came to the cave in the first place
        >”Cain… your father is dead”
        >figure steps out of shadows revealing absolutely jacked dude with a brand in the center of his chest and look of cold fury on his face
        >”What happen”
        >”It was Lucifer”
        >show a shot of Cain tightly grasping a rock in his hand before fading to black

        I dig it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Feels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      lute's wife

      dont need a dad just a mommy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am still annoyed she wasn't the no nonsense black chick tardwrangling Adam and being the Lana to his Archer. It is like Viv is simultaniously not letting them be mundane enough for amusment sake or quiet enough to let their sinister qualities seep into their presence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Viv Adam is a good person who loves all of his children, whether they are black, white, or monster-like.
          So he is given Lute to reflect and glorify his goodness. Since it’s ultimately about giving Winners the best and loving parents imaginable.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've seen a number of stories where the smart assistant character has to make sure that his idiot boss doesn't get himself killed, but I can't remember the last time I saw the assistant and the boss taking turns like this. Adam was a dudebro who found exterminations fun while Lute was a zealot who hated sinners with a vengeance, and they both genuinely enjoyed exterminating sinners. Both of them occasionally got carried away to the point that their partner had to step in and keep them under control. I thought it was an interesting dynamic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The thing with Lute and Adam is that even though they loved sinners, they hated the wicked.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ask anyone Christian whose domain earth is. The purges only happened because he agreed with God that his creations were a mistake.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he agreed with God
      no, because he agree with Sera that those souls were likely irredeemable
      God is never even mentioned as a character or doing anything

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's quite refreshing that what Lucifer did is actually portrayed as a bad thing that had negative consequences and he regrets it after seeing the results all around him. I'm so used to media making Lucifer the good guy in the creation story out of pure contrarianism.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's quite refreshing that what Lucifer did is actually portrayed as a bad thing that had negative consequences and he regrets it after seeing the results all around him.

        It makes sense though because he was trying to glorify God's creation by bringing hybrids into the world, so when they didn't Lucifer would have agreed with God whatever God's plan was to deal with it. Angels don't make mistakes, but their actions can create them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fun fact: demons are deathly terrified of Hell.
      Lucifer is described as doing quite literally everything in order not to land in the Lake of Fire.
      For someone who deceived angels to rebel against God, this sounds awfully horrible.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im not sure if Adam didnt break the rule that hellborn are to be spared. Not that anybody cares

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Charlie needed to Inspire him before he would do that, so everything still needed to happen this way.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >charlie our people ARE AWFUL
    gee I don't know dipshit I don't think I'd fight for worthless scum either

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Amazing how easily this setting falls apart

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it could have been any generic furry OC kitchen sink

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally just Game of Thrones. The main character has the backing of the KING and get's executed. Lucifer's power is going to get thrown out, and it'll cause chaos.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was Lucifer ok with the exterminations this whole time? Or did he just never bother trying to stop it because he was deprezzed for thousands of years?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He is the reason why they happen. Shortly before Lilith disappeared, Lucifer struck an agreement with Heaven to target sinners since they were fearful of how she was spurring Hell into prosperity.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So Lucifer is complicent in the thing Charlie hates which is "her people getting slaughtered".

        Shouldn't that be something to talk about?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You would think, yeah, but it's pretty much glossed over. It's not like Charlie is unaware of it too; she knows Lucifer doesn't believe in the hotel and exempted the hellborn from the extermination.
          He only has his change of heart because Charlie and co. successfully defended the hotel; the only reason he's even there is because Adam attacked Charlie, which broke the contract.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So heaven-born and hell-born have a pretty good relationship where they don't really bother each other. It sounds like hell-born would just see sinners as annoying thing spawning there like illegal migrants. And they can't be killed by hell-born so they are probably greatful the angels show up.

            The more I think about the more I think the drama just isn't there.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There's good potential for drama with Lucifer and Charlie's opposing viewpoints that they didn't really do anything with for more than five minutes, and the show never presented Charlie or the hotel as flawed, mainly because none of the sinners who are actually staying at the hotel would have trouble with redemption.
              Angel, Husk, Pentious, and Cherrie are all legitimately pretty nice people by Hell's standards, and most of their flaws are internal. What if someone like Valentino, who did objectively terrible things in both the life and afterlife, decided to try and earn redemption on a whim? How would Charlie approach a prospect like him? Would it even be possible? That's where Lucifer makes a really good point - most people are in Hell for a good reason, and, though Heaven has lots of rules, the Powers That Be are not particularly very picky about who gets into Heaven (Adam, Lute, Vaggie, Lilith, even reborn Pentious).
              Lucifer in particular I feel would be the one person who would be most offended by the hotel, especially if he knew his ex-wife's whereabouts, and I feel like they should've pushed into that more; Charlie sways him a bit too easily. I would think that the man who was forced to watch the folly of his actions in every waking moment of his life and was personally cast down by Heaven would have a thing or two to say about redemption, especially since he hates both Heaven and Hell.
              On the other hand, Hell is the only the way it is due to Lucifer's lack of involvement; he had every chance to join Lilith in trying to build a prospering society, but spent all of his time licking his wounds alone. It's no wonder why she left him and why Charlie held little respect for him or why Hell is a shithole ever since Lilith left.
              Too bad the show never felt the need to explore any of this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What was Lilith's deal? The opening video made it seem like she is the real leader of hell. Why should I care about redemption when it doesn't actually mean exploring the characters but just figuring out how to work the invisible Karma system that poofs people into heaven or hell?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know man. The show has a lot of weird interesting moments that are self-isolated but, as a whole, fricking sucks.
                The whole point of the hotel is that Charlie is using redemption as a means to save people from exterminations, not because she sees Heaven as objectively correct. I don't know if extermination is a feasible option for Heaven anymore considering they lost Adam and the majority of their exterminators, though time will tell.
                Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell? It's like both she and Lucifer forgot about his advice from episode 5 - "Heaven never listens."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is every Vivziepop piece of media.
                People will take her genuinely interesting ideas and create something far more nuanced and complete than what she can, and then be inevitably disappointed by the final product.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wasn't it established that only a select few in heaven know about the exterminations? Once the cat is out of the bad that should stop them. And Sir Pentious is walking around there. But...I'm not even sure how what side I am supposed to be taking. Heaven is doing the right for them. They need to keep hell weak if they want to maintain themself. Charlie is a noble idealist but the show always makes it clear most people in hell are scum. We only care about the main characters which were only in danger because of a dispute Charlie started with Adam and the rest of heaven.

                This show just sucks at everything that isn't interpersonal relationships. The metaphysics, morality, and politics are a mess. The action is also bad. Characters look cool and there is motion on screen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wasn't it established that only a select few in heaven know about the exterminations?
                Only sera knew, and she was persuaded to allow their existence

                Because you aren't. You were supposed to like Adam and find Alastor, Charlie, and Lucifer to be cringe. The show is secretly based and viv is playing you like a fiddle.

                Pls put something in the name field so I can filter out your spamming schizo posts

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Heaven is doing the right for them. They need to keep hell weak if they want to maintain themself
                And because of this they did an equivalent of using antibiotics for every smallest thing, which made sinners „immune” to their threat now, since they learned how angels can be killed. If heaven only acted during actual threat against them, no one would came up with this idea. It was moronic to go with exterminations in the first place

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell?
                That's what she is doing, she is using her songs to literally uplift the denizens of hell into heaven with her hotel.
                Realistically what she should do is improve the Pride ring's living conditions to make everyone happier there, but her daddy and mommy issues make her want to do a grand gesture to impress them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell?

                because hell sucks anyway, hevanes may not be perfect but is better than trash

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                According to Charlie, Hell only sucks because Lilith left and Lucifer is a lazy chode. This could be her being an unreliable narrator, so it always sucked (Lucifer hints at this but he could also be unreliable since he’s particularly biased), but I don’t expect something that nuanced from HH.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hasn't Lilith only been gone for about 7 years? Also, how would one ruler manage to enforce that?
                I wanna say you can only go so far before the softening of hell actively damages the plot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hell is more like a bad place disguising away its evil as being the norm, so every sinner plainly accepts it as their new normal when they arrive in Hell. Rape, Lust, cannibalism, torture, and murder are seen as pleasures and rewards instead of Love.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Angel, Husk, Pentious, and Cherrie are all legitimately pretty nice people by Hell's standards, and most of their flaws are internal. What if someone like Valentino, who did objectively terrible things in both the life and afterlife, decided to try and earn redemption on a whim? How would Charlie approach a prospect like him? Would it even be possible?
                If season 2 is going forward with the message of the hotel, then this really needs to be a core conflict of the hotel. How much redemption is necessary, and is it even possible for some people to be redeemed? Since Pentious was successful and we know redemption works, this needs to be addressed, specifically with the character of Charlie since she believes anyone is capable of ascending.
                I also agree with

                I don't know man. The show has a lot of weird interesting moments that are self-isolated but, as a whole, fricking sucks.
                The whole point of the hotel is that Charlie is using redemption as a means to save people from exterminations, not because she sees Heaven as objectively correct. I don't know if extermination is a feasible option for Heaven anymore considering they lost Adam and the majority of their exterminators, though time will tell.
                Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell? It's like both she and Lucifer forgot about his advice from episode 5 - "Heaven never listens."

                and

                >Given her interactions with the corrupted upper echelons Heaven, why would she even want to continue the hotel and sending people up there instead of following in Lilith's footsteps and uplifting the denizens of Hell?
                That's what she is doing, she is using her songs to literally uplift the denizens of hell into heaven with her hotel.
                Realistically what she should do is improve the Pride ring's living conditions to make everyone happier there, but her daddy and mommy issues make her want to do a grand gesture to impress them.

                in that the hotel itself should be presented as a flawed concept, that Charlie is misguided, and that Hell doesn’t have to be a bad place, as shown by Lilith’s rule and Lucifer’s newfound passion in the sinners.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i really hope that with lilith coming into the picture that the idea of the hotel is eventually scrapped and leads into the morningstars bringing success to hell once more.
                what gets me is that charlie was never portrayed as in the wrong for dismissing lucifer's warnings of heaven's corruption, yet she still wants to send souls up to heaven despite witnessing firsthand that the exterminations were kept on the DL and that the high angels have no idea what gets a soul into heaven.
                i feel like in a more competently-written show, that would be a huge blow to the idea of the hotel and make charlie realize that her father was correct, spurring her to follow more closely in her mother's footsteps of enlightening hell as opposed to appeasing heaven.
                i feel like that the show MIGHT be leading to that, as charlie's desire to be a people-pleaser has been challenged and mocked before (episode 4 and 7), but time will tell. maybe we'll get some cool shit with purgatory/limbo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Adam and Lute will be constantly fighting against Lucifer and Lilith for another round of child custody politics (Heaven = Adam and Lute) (Hell = Lilith and Lucifer) for the best sinners in Hell.
                Oh boy…

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Purgatory
                I feel like if Purgatory is an idea that’s explored, then that somewhat justifies the mystique of Heaven’s rules, since the ultimate decision of salvation or damnation is made there.
                That, however, would also bring the church into the fray, which would be funny as shit to see Vivziepop tackle. I could see her create a sexyman out of Cato or personify Limbo to be the guardian of purgatory.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a sexyman out of Cato or personify Limbo
                imagine...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the hotel gets destroyed and rebuilt bigger and bigger every season finale
                >by the end of the show it's so huge it physically connects heaven and hell
                >the hotel was a babel/purgatory analogy all along

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he loves his daughter, and his love of his daughter rekindled his love for humanity for which he literally got thrown out of heaven for
            How is that not a great plot point?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a good plot point, never said it wasn't. As I said before there are a lot of good interesting moments in the show.
              It's more that said moment does not feel completely earned with the rapid pace of the show. Lucifer, the embodiment of pride and the original fallen angel, does such a severely quick 180 on his viewpoint towards sinners, when, he, and I cannot reiterate this enough, is probably the most qualified critic of the Hazbin Hotel.
              Of course, his myopic viewpoint on the denizens of Hell is wrong in-universe, but I think the show needed to let him be wrong for a little while longer to actually serve as a philosophical challenge towards Charlie's viewpoint. Everyone else's in-universe critique can be brushed off as "Yeah, they're a sinner, of course they're a b***h" or "He's just trying to frick with me because he's an exterminator.", but if the first person to be cast out of Hell warns you about Heaven, you better damn well listen to what he has to say.
              Lucifer spends a total of like two minutes arguing with Charlie about the actual hotel while the rest of the run-time of the episode is devoted to Mimzy, Alastor, or the cringy duet. Again, it feels like he folded way too quickly.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cast out of Hell
                to Hell*.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The show being fast paced is definitely valid, but I feel we see Lucifer as essentially being mindbroken and driven to depression/isolation after his fall from grace.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no Lilith only left 7 years ago, the exterminations happened way before that

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adam flat out says in the first episode that the Hellborn got a pardon

    Lucifer stepping in after Adam breaks that agreement (attacking Charlie) makes perfect sense.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Charlie attacked him first.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Adam openly declared that he would come to exterminate Charlie specifically

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And Lucifer didn't come until he choked her.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, because that was what defacto broke the deal

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He didn't mention anything about Charlie, just about coming to her hotel.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "Gotta say, can't wait to come down and exterminate you"
            Adam sang that line directly to Charlie

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Before anyone "ate the apple" everyone lived forever. But after that everyone is doomed to die. That death is the "purges" referenced in the show. Christ was sent to save the souls of everyone damned by original sin. Only Christ was not bound by that curse, which is why he could be killed but did not die. So Adam in the show, is essentially the Grim Reaper.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Charlie attacked him first.

      It would be an interesting plot point if now Lucifer has to deal with the fallout that he has now put all of hell at risk of death should heaven continues its exterminations, especially if the exorcists redouble their efforts. I suspect it would be hard for hell to fight back against angels that just throw bombs through portals, offering no target to fight back.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Great design but pretty bad character, the VA is shitty too

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That fat beaner b***h is bad at writing?! No way...

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >white man has to fix the mess created by his idealistic daughter

    extreme realism

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is it that people are supposed to find Adam as a antagonist that the director expects you to cheer against when he dies when this homosexual is literally the reason why all of this is happening in the first place

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you aren't. You were supposed to like Adam and find Alastor, Charlie, and Lucifer to be cringe. The show is secretly based and viv is playing you like a fiddle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lucifer gave people free will. I don't see how you can see that as villanious. Remember this is not the fricking bible.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean technically that is also what happened in the bible, but HB hasn't actually revealed any of God's plans and merely blamed everything on angels being hypocrites

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There isn't a single God-like deity in the show. Earth was made by Sera and other angels. Part of why Lucifer ended up accidentally creating hell is because the other angels were tired of his wacky zany shit and told him to stop making cringe or frick off.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I feel there are greater powers than the angels/demons we've seen. Like what mechanism made the snake guy get in heaven if even Sera was surprised to see him? What was the evil that seeped into the world thanks to Lucifer enlightening humanity? There's some abstract "evil" and abstract "good" by whose rules the angels and demons are playing.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              My personal feeling is that souls just go to wherever they feel like they belong at the point of death. Lucifer is in hell because he's depressed and feels like a loser. Pentius went to heaven when Adam obliterated him because he felt like his (pointless, ineffectual) sacrifice made him worthy. It explains why there are jerks like Adam in heaven.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For what its worth, it seems like god is actively judging sinners behind the angels' backs. So maybe he's secretly been judging the angels as well to see how corrupt they can become

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I figure that's the only way the heaven/hell filter makes sense, with Big G sorting in the background and seeing what the created choose to do.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It was revealed they decided to not have God because it would make the writing even more of a mess. I agree.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It would have ended poorly in any case.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i have concerns then

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i have concerns then

                >God is a "character" in HH but we never see Him
                >He's too busy with important shit to get involved in Adam's and Lucifer's sperg-off
                >He doesn't have an issue with Charlie's mission because why the frick would he be against more people in Heaven
                It's better this way.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i have concerns then

            It was revealed they decided to not have God because it would make the writing even more of a mess. I agree.

            God is gonna be there as a cosmic entity who doesn't talk or have a body, just a giant mass of light that acts on its own.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lucifer/Satan didn't give humans free will in the Bible. They had it from day one because the forbidden tree was always there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            depends what version of the myth you believe. what's canonical in the bible changed from angel fricking to eating a magic apple because the former means some people are ineligible for heaven, ever. imho the latter is bullshit. also catholics are bullshit, you can't eat angel flesh to get a holy soul.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's not how it goes in the Book of Genesis at all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the only reason its not like that anymore is cause what's considered canonical scripture got revised to not include the parts explaining the details of the metaphor. You can still read them and the old Christian church absolutely believed them. Even some current christian churches never stopped considering the story canonical.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You'll need to back up your assertion with something concrete.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how is it my fault you're too dumb to know history? Fine... I'll give you a clue, start by figuring out what churches still consider Enoch canonical. That is just the first drop of a big sea of knowledge on the subject.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Book of Enoch
                It figures.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You think Enoch is the only ancient source of the myth about fallen gods mating with humans to make holy half breeds? Do some more digging and you will find them literally everywhere.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cool beans. We're talking about the Biblical account specifically.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Biblical account specifically
                Yeah, the metaphor about a tree of holy spirit from God that grants knowledge of good and evil... where have I heard that one before...?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering that Genesis originated in the Levant, any connection between the two accounts are far more likely to be a case of the Norse incorporating Christian elements. And irrelevant to the conversation either way.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Providing two sources from outside Christianity to verify the original Christian interpretation is absolutely substantial you shit for brains moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have a good night, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or just Indo-European synchronicity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rather, the Norse, children of Japheth, kept the story, but changed it like all other children.
                Only Armenians and Hebrews kept the originals. israelites failed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeaaaaaaaah that's kinda stretching it now ain't it. Why do I have to believe that the norse account influenced the Hebrew one?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unholy halfbreeds*
                Fixed that for you.
                God hates miscegenation with a passion.
                PS: all of Earth's mythologies can be traced back the biblical timeline. China's ancient script even alluded to the Garden of Eden.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still consider Enoch canonical
                When did the 5 original pentarchic sees ever consider it canonical?
                >how is it my fault you're too dumb to know history?
                yeah, you're coping/baiting.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He came to save Charlie, Adam broke their end of the deal in that regard.
    But seeing the determination Charlie and her friends fought with has now convinced him her plan can work.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's kind of crazy that Lucifer went full power mode for like 1 second, when Charlie's life was genuinely in danger, and absolutely stomped Adam, despite Adam stomping Al.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and absolutely stomped Adam, despite Adam stomping Al.
        Al' is nowhere near as powerful as either Lucifer or Adam, Lucifer didn't obliterate him on the spot because he was trying to reconnect with his daughter and was thus not going to vaporise 'her friend' two minutes after meeting him.
        The entire point of Alastor/Adam fight was he was being overly wienery and has now taken a big fat L in front of all his rivals and got emasculated and made less intimidating to everyone at the hotel by having to have Lucifer [literally] swoop in to save the day. And then rebuild his janky Hotel into something 20x's greater.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also worth mentioning that Vox was recording the entire fight, so you can guarantee he will flood hell's media with Alastors humiliating defeat and his act of running away. Its a definitive stain on Alastor's reputation

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He’s a fallen seraphim - the absolute highest order of angels outside of God himself. Lucifer is undoubtedly the most powerful entity in Hell, but there are beings in Heaven that most likely eclipse him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He’s a fallen seraphim - the absolute highest order of angels outside of God himself. Lucifer is undoubtedly the most powerful entity in Hell, but there are beings in Heaven that most likely eclipse him.

        He's second only to God if they're following the usual canon. There's a reason he got a third of Heaven to back his rebellion, dude's a fricking powerhouse

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you're in the school of thought that takes Ezekiel 28 to be talking about Lucifer, then Jesus calls him a cherub by angelic rank, and Michael is objectively stronger. Also any seraphim should give him a run for his money. Any of the big four archangels should be able to defeat lucifer and metatron should no-diff

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wasn't Lucifer created by God to be beautiful and wise and perfect in every way? And being so perfect made him want more, so he tried to topple God? As someone who has no idea what he's talking about, I think that means Lucifer was the strongest angel. He was made to be perfect, so none of the other angels should have been better than him. He was also the smartest, so he probably wouldn't have gone straight for God's throne if there were other angels above him, since all he wanted was to be better. I mean, you don't have to fight the all powerful creator if you're in 4th place, 3rd is an easy leap from there.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don’t think he was made specifically to be perfect it’s just that he was the best among them, and when god didn’t recognize his inherent greatness and chose to favor mankind he threw a hissy fit and rebelled.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not in biblical canon, no. Lucifer wasn't the most powerful angel, just the first one to be prideful enough to rebel against God. Michael and Metatron are both higher angels than Lucifer in their respective cosmologies.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that is also not biblical canon

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >1/3 of heaven thought they could topple their omnipotent omniscient creator because they got the 2nd most powerful being on their side
          Perhaps Yahweh should have imbued some common sense into his angels

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dude's a fricking gay, get off his dick.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not crazy at all. Lucifer is probably top 5 in the verse, meanwhile Adam is only an above average angel at best. Alastor is just an overlord with some extra power he got from a deal. He could probably beat some of the Ars Goetia in an extreme diff, but that's it for now. I sure do love power scaling.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in the verse
          as much as I love hellofaboss the two verses are not the same. they're telling a different story in a new setting with HH

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the two verses are not the same
            Whut?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They still are in the same verse until stated othewise

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Imps appear in both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss with identical designs.
            >Helluva Boss namedrops Carmine weaponry, we see that Carmilla Carmine is an arms-dealing overlord in Hazbin Hotel, and her weapons look identical to the example shown in Helluva Boss
            >Fizzbots appear in Hazbin Hotel

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're definitely different stories/themes but that doesn't mean it's not a shared universe.
            Hell, shared universes like marvel/dc don't always have perfect canon consistency across different books, it can even change over the course of one book.
            Writers being completely beholden to and needing to.reference every little detail every other writer puts in anything rather than the broad swaths would be a mess.
            Even with broad swaths they regularly have to "clean up " canon.

            People even sometimes connect universes from little background details like

            >Imps appear in both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss with identical designs.
            >Helluva Boss namedrops Carmine weaponry, we see that Carmilla Carmine is an arms-dealing overlord in Hazbin Hotel, and her weapons look identical to the example shown in Helluva Boss
            >Fizzbots appear in Hazbin Hotel

            mentions before they're officially stated to be the same universe with a team up or whatever. Like, I really don't get how you don't know that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No matter how many times I read it, I still can't tell what exactly makes hellborn and imps/hellhounds different categories.

          To my understanding, overlords and sinners are the same thing, overlords just so happen to be very powerful sinners. By that logic I could see hellborn being a bit stronger than imps/hellhounds, but the name itself "hellborn" is so confusing since all of them are born in hell. Also what's the purpose of the ars goetia when you have the 7 sins and overlords? And imps can become just as powerful as everyone else considering moxxie's dad and the imp mafia. Is Beelzebub a hellhound herself?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "Hellborn" refers to the native species of each ring of hell except imps and hellhounds. So like the loan shark demons or the succubi. Imps and hellhounds are just specific types of hellborn that socially are seen as more subservient to the other types. Unlike sinners and overlords they aren't all the same species as each other so hellborn is moreso an umbrella term encompassing all of them.
            >Also what's the purpose of the ars goetia when you have the 7 sins and overlords?
            It seems like the ars goetia are there to specifically recruit more sinners to come to hell. Like with how Stolas wanted to assassinate someone in the pilot episode to keep pro global warming legislation in effect. The overlords are only there to manage the pride ring, they have no influence on Earth. The rest of the sins are there to manage their respective ring and serve as the backbone of hell overall. Like how Wrath makes all of Hell's food, Sloth makes all the medicine in hell. There are some exception like how succubi can go to Earth to harvest energy for hell, but typically the hellborn are there to help run hell itself and not worry about Earth like the Goetia do.
            > And imps can become just as powerful as everyone else considering moxxie's dad and the imp mafia. Is Beelzebub a hellhound herself?
            Moxie's dad is still only an imp. His actual power is miniscule. He is just an exception to the rule in that he was able to build himself up to have higher social standing like Fizzaroli did. Beelzebub may be the first hellhound and the progenitor of all the other hellhounds just like Satan made all the imps, but she is still first and foremost a sin. So her social standing is that high up regardless of if she herself could be a hellhound.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymouse

            >hellborn being a bit stronger than imps/hellhounds
            Imps and hellhounds are mortal. If you hit them with a rock, they die, no respawning. They have no souls, and die of old in apparently a similar time scale too humans.
            Sinners (humans who died on earth and got sent to hell) are souls trapped in hell. You can beat and mutilate them endlessly and eventually they will regenerate, they are functionally immortal, only angelic weapons can actually kill them.
            Sinners can become overlords, but imps and hellhounds really can't hope to rise above there station. There best case scenario is to become the lover of a sin like Fizzerali, and that's like a 1 time thing in the last ten thousand years. So hellborn are basically fricked.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >top 5 in the verse,
          From the intro, we got that
          >He is not an Elder of Heaven
          >It seems that Sera is one
          >It seems that there are at least 6 or so of them
          >Lucifer is said to be whimsical artist/creator, not a powerhouse
          So at best Lucifer be in the top ten, below the actual elder Seraphs, YHWH and that eldritch evil god.

          No matter how many times I read it, I still can't tell what exactly makes hellborn and imps/hellhounds different categories.

          To my understanding, overlords and sinners are the same thing, overlords just so happen to be very powerful sinners. By that logic I could see hellborn being a bit stronger than imps/hellhounds, but the name itself "hellborn" is so confusing since all of them are born in hell. Also what's the purpose of the ars goetia when you have the 7 sins and overlords? And imps can become just as powerful as everyone else considering moxxie's dad and the imp mafia. Is Beelzebub a hellhound herself?

          That chart is more social than actual power-levels. But since status in Hell is also determined by your strength, it is kinda both.
          Hellhounds seem to be mostly pets/slaves of other hellborn. Imps are the lowest species because they are the weakest. Presumably every other hellborn is stronger because they are just bigger than them, and thus more socially important.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >YHWH and that eldritch evil god
            they don't exist in the show

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cause al is a fraud

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone have rips of the first four episodes uploaded? I'd really like to have them and not have to rely on kimcartoon or whatever.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What the FRICK did viv mean by this???

    Oh gosh I know right it's almost like the show is garbage and Viv can't write for shit or something. So how long until you buttholes get exiled to /trash/ and we stop having 30 fricking Hazbin threads a day?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >angry anon yells at cloud

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I guarantee you hes gonna get prison realmed by the overlords or angels cause hes too OP for the plot to happen

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer is unironically the new Alastor in this show and I hate his guts for it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At least Al had the excuse of being a future villain, the only way for Lucifer to be fine is if the upper angels pop up to beat him to death

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I was thinking about this. All threats are trivialized by Lucifer being around. If he's going to be more active in interfering with Heaven's affairs, then it'd make sense for them to take him out of commission. Otherwise the protagonists can't actually be touched and there aren't any real stakes. Maybe that's why Lute is sending Lilith. Raw power isn't going to work, but having his wife pull his simp leash might.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But he’s cuter

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's... not. Not even remotely.
      His power and ability makes sense given who and what he is, as does the reason he's taken a backseat until now.
      Alastor on the other hand is an iamverybadass tryhard who got absolutely shelved when push finally came to shove.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He is literally a fallen Arch Angel, God's favorite. Why did you expect him to be anything but powerful?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He is literally a fallen Arch Angel, God's favorite. Why did you expect him to be anything but powerful?

      Hilariously, Adam utterly humiliated Lucifer with his words alone because Lucifer is still one big pathetic loser despite being the strongest being in Hell. Whose only accomplishments is selfishly stealing and corrupting Adam’s wives and family [Yes, Lucifer was the dummy who thought it was slick to bring up why everyone hates him as a “comeback”. What a piece of trash.]

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know why people like this get so ass blasted over the way it played out. Christians who jack it to Adam got the ending they wanted because their boy beat the Satan their moronic church thinks is the real deal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Adam and Lute beating Lucy, Lilith, and canonically-evil Eve by taking the good kids back will never be unsatisfying.

          It literally means that Adam and Lute won the war in Season 1, and get to suck in the rewards later on and be happy with their redeemed children forever and ever, while Lucifer and Lilith will end up keeping all of the worst sinners in hell forever and ever. Like they deserved.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Season 1
            No offense but you are huffing some super copium of pure grade.

            Season 1 ended with Jesus (charlie) defeating death and opening the way for everyone cursed by original sin to return to heaven.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Jesus (charlie) defeating death and opening the way for everyone cursed by original sin to return to heaven.
              That b***h did nothing but help sinners kill the real Jesus of the show, Adam, when pleads to his children to come back to him. Charlie is simply biased for her objectively awful father and doesn’t comprehend what she was actually doing. Which is yet another thing Adam will forgive her and the sinners for.

              Charlie is more like an Apostle Paul/Saul, in that she is against Adam and will be against him for a time, until she sees him for himself (showing a love for sinners that not even she has) and accepts his true nature.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look man, you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that the show is presenting an older interpretation of Christian cosmology which was suppressed by the modern Church. Unless you let go of your preconceived notions about what you think should be then you will continue to be blind to the story.

                Charlie is Jesus and the show takes place on earth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This one is straight up wrong since Helluva boss exists.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Helluva boss
                anyone telling you it's the same universe if full of shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So vivzie herself is full of shit? Proto-blitz is in the Hazbin pilot and Helluva makes direct references to the events of the Hazbin pilot.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, full of shit. The pilot has one scene where a proto blitz is in the background but it's obvious they wanted the universes separate to tell this story.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There’s tons of Hazbin references in Helluva Boss (Ex- angel dust poster in the background) and the world building of Helluva Boss is congruent with Hazbin. I can’t tell if you’re baiting or for real, Charlie as a Christ-like figure is a nice interpretation but other than you’re full of shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s weird they want to make Charlie a Christ-figure when she is not sinless as Adam, and doesn’t have the fatherly role and tragedy of Viv’s Adam and Christ’s life, or how they paid for the sins of sinners to save them from being in hell for eternity.

                What’s so bad about Charlie getting surprised by how much Adam truly loves his children (the sinners) and giving them hugs and experiences that they have never felt before?

                Isn’t that the kind of thing that would make Charlie super emotionally happy? I hate lesbians, but I clearly have a better understand of Charlie and her naive and limited perspective of the world.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Adam is a literal fricking nobody who wouldn't even appear in the cosmology and have anything to do if they didn't let him be a stand in for the Grim Reaper. He and Eve represent (metaphorically) the first people who fricked angels to make babies with holy spirits for whom Christ was sent to save.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t give a damn about your creepy cult obsessions that eventually ends up with weird and stupid Michael “lores” or other things the Bible is clearly against.

                I only care about Adam within the context of HH and the story of Jesus in the Bible. Since the twist with Adam taking the messiah role in HH is actually really cool and makes sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I only care about Adam within the context of HH
                He is a fricking joke in HH and only there to be made fun of for how stupid the modern church is with the way they tell the story.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He bounced like a rubber ball when he got hit. lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I feel it's more like Sera is the criticism of the church and the way Hell is both set up as a fear tactic and a revenge fantasy these days, so far removed from its actual biblical description in terms of how it makes people suffer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sera is the criticism
                That whole scene is a frick you to God for wiping most of us out with the cataclysm of Atlantis at the end of the last ice age.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sera is the criticism
                That whole scene is a frick you to God for wiping most of us out with the cataclysm of Atlantis at the end of the last ice age.

                Sera to me seems more like a Pharisee (a fake speaker of God) that Adam had to play ball with in order get sinners redeemed. Since Adam appealed to Sera’s secret taste of killing humans (hinted at here), she was terrified at the sight of a redeemed sinner instead of getting happy for it, how she is allowing Lilith to be in heaven, and the fact that God revealed the secrets of redemption to Adam and Lute instead of HER.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The older what????
                The Old Testament is about “you need the messiah to actually get God forgive you for your sins.”
                Charlie’s Hotel in the Nutshell is Israel pre-Christ, in that they think they can go to heaven under good works that were dead.
                Christ was there to correct them and offer himself as the worthy sacrifice to God. Just like Adam did in the entirely of Season 1.

                Charlie did nothing but serve herself as a set piece for Adam to save his sinners with.

                Just accept Adam’s sinless sacrifice and stop trying to imply that a homosexual who didn’t understand anything was the key to redemption.

                It’s literally not that hard to understand.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick do you think it even means to have a holy spirit, jackass? Why the frick do you think Catholics feed people magic crackers of flesh and blood? Why the frick do you think all of preChristian Europe believed that some people can trace their ancestry back to literal deities fricking their ancestors? Why the frick don't you know that was the original meaning of the garden of eden metaphor? Why the frick don't you know what the tree of the holy spirit is? Why the frick are you so stupidly dumb about all of Christian and israeli cosmology?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                None of those stupid gimmicks matter. Loving God and being holy to him under the KJV Bible do.

                Adam’s sacrifice is the simplest thing in HH.
                >Daddy never ate the apple
                >Daddy still made love to Eve, allowing sinners into this world
                >Daddy loses Eve and the Sinners
                >Daddy meets Lute and the very few winners that got through the very very narrow gates. But their sins still left their golds muted (unlike Adam’s unique clothes and wings) and taken away traits of their humanity (unlike Adam, who never sinned).
                >Adam makes a plan to enter hell and sacrifice himself as an offer to God to cleanse the sins of sinners under his sinless blood
                >It works, and his redeemed sinners inherent his brilliant golds into their design, while still sharing traits of being more monstrous than the common winner under the faults of their past-but-forgiven sins.
                And done.

                You can simp for Charlie, but don’t be delusional.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are literally just as blind as the morons Jesus had to cure of blindness.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The entire purpose of his design was that he looked snake like. Whatever you call that area behind his head, looks less snake like now. Not really feeling the heaven design of SP overall.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She has hooves btw.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dont compare that ass to Jesus

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Adam is literally just a mere servant in Heaven who given up his life to get his children into Heaven. He isn’t as perfect as Jesus, but I do see the indescribable love and wrath Jesus has for his own children. And how Adam has a lot of God’s divine goodness because he isn’t separated from him (via the fruit), but still acts imperfect because he is just a mere man instead of God in the flesh.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              All the re-draws of this scene [picrel] are coping and adding in Lucifer's arm on Charlie's thigh or smth.
              But the original shows it, The only physical way Charlie could be balancing like that with Lucifer's arm of out view is if he's holding his daughterfu by the bum.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even moronic fandoms have their equivalent morons. It doesn't matter it's her dad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah i wasn't complaining about him doing it, That's hot.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's hot.
                Coomer brain is rampant.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they frick and it is canon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Probably not. But they are demonic so it doesn't really matter. It is Hell.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I love hell now!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They are immortal so incest isnt wrong

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's irrelevant. It's highly unlikely for them to be sexual in that interaction. In general they wouldn't bang most likely.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why not? They are both smoking hot. She needs to suck on daddys glowing wiener.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She doesn't see him as sexy. He's just her dad to her. Also he's autistic for rubber ducks ffs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t. Hasn't read the unedited version of the bibble

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't have much to do with Vizzi shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A-adam?
        I thought you were dead

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lucifer
    >OP
    He 1v1'd a human. Not that big a deal, guys.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wow, can't wait to see what problem he won't solve in S2 for no reason!

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hell itself is a prison and punishment for Lucifer who decided to give humans true free will including the prospect to do evil and must only view the evil his decision has created
    Honestly a neat interpretation of the character, just wish there was more of his psyche breaking down watching the worst of God's creations constantly kill each other because of what he did.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i would do unspeakable things to this man, even hold his hand

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now now, anon, be honest. What did you do to make him so angry?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oyakodon with his wife and daughter.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I told him that he is a repressed homosexual and that's why his relationships didn't work out, then I used his rubber duckies as an example of his latent homosexuality.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you think he's about to obliterate you but then he tries to make out with you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Killed Lilith

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"Sloppy seconds."

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looking at the left tower, that's Luci's tower, so he's gonna stay at the hotel now? The next villains will need a serious power upgrade for there to be any stakes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Lucifer is chilling at the bar drinking apple cider
      >Husk and AD talking about how it sucks to be on a chain with a soul-bound contract
      >They both look at Lucifer
      >The guy shrugs. "Sucks to suck."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They’ll probably just say in S2E1 that he can’t help them with overlords and stuff like that because ‘it goes against the social contract of hell’ or something stupid like that

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can't sinners to Heaven
    >Can't escape from Hell himself
    >Not even an Elder Seraphim
    He won't last even 2 seconds if Michael comes down to spank his ass (again).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Michael
      don't exist in the HH universe either

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Source: my ass

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Heaven needs to forgive the sinners, murderers, rapists, thieves!"
    >two seconds later
    >"Frick you Vaggie, you lied!"
    What did that mean by this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >murderers, rapists, thieves
      >Thinking that is what send someone to hell

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but many Christian sects believe that you can be a total piece of shit and degenerate so long you accept Jehovah as the one true God in your heart and Jesus died for your sins.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, we call them Heretics.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And those sects would call you the heretic.
              It's a religion in which not everybody is on the same page on what that religion should entail.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nearly everyone was on the same page until some German threw a fit and ruined things for everybody including himself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nearly everyone was on the same page until some German pointed out that maybe having to pay your way to heaven is bullshit
                Are you sure you're not israeli?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Without works faith is dead.

            And those sects would call you the heretic.
            It's a religion in which not everybody is on the same page on what that religion should entail.

            Most of them are heretics.
            Here's an easy riddle: is the Rapture before or after Tribulation?
            They're supposed to answer before the Day of Wrath.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh course that does rely on you ACTUALLY feeling regret/seeking forgiveness and accepting God into your heart.
            That's one of the flaws of Pascals wager.
            Going through the motions just out of fear of death/punishment probably isn't enough.

            Also makes me think of "the devil went down to georgia". I'm not Christian myself but even though he won the duel wouldn't betting his immortal soul be a major sin? Like unless he gets redeemed he's damned either way.
            Pretty sneaky, satan!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Charlie is hypocrite and a dumbass.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >yfw Gabriel looks like this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kicked the utter shit out of Minos with zero hesitation
      >Secretly felt bad about The Ferrymen and went out of his way to make them feel better/regain hope
      Would he support the hotel or not?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Definitely not, his motivation (before he got logged by a blue GoPro) was to keep Hell a place of eternal torment as he thought it was what God meant. At best he would consider Charlie's efforts incredibly foolish

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Better question. How would Hell fair if V1, Minos Prime, or Sisyphus Prime were in it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Would be funny if our favorite righteous hand of the Father was one of the only people Adam feared
      There's even also a COUNCIL of angels, sound familiar?

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We have to stop heaven from culling huge swaths of the population a day!
    >We did it! Now we can go back to killing each other as punchlines to jokes!
    There's no difference, right? If a sinner kills another sinner their soul is obliterated the same way as though an angel does it. If so, the murder rate for the rest of the year combined probably matches whatever the angels can do in a single day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >f a sinner kills another sinner their soul is obliterated the same way as though an angel does it.
      It doesn't, that's the whole point. Hell works on a respawn system and only angel weapons ends the respawn.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought they merge with hell which is why there are eyes on buildings everywhere.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s what happens when they get killed with Angel weapons according to Vivzieshart’s old streams. If they die in Hell to anything else, they just respawn,

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't there some demon twat selling angelic weapons in Hellomybabyhellomyhoney? What's to stop sinners from killing other sinners with analjelloick weapons to make them permanently unalive'd?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It’s not really permadeath, since you’re still conscious after getting killed by Angelic weapons, but you just can’t do anything. But yes, you can just buy some Angel weapons in Hell if you want, and turn them into a window or door.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and turn them into a window or door.
                Maybe even a fleshlight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >get killed by angel
          >become a toilet for the rest of eternity
          I take it back, Viv’s Hell actually sounds really horrible.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Adam: "YOU SHOULD BE WORSHIPPING ME!"
    Okay, which Heresy is this one?

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Canon powerlevel scale

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did you put dinosaur dog and spider there? We literally don't see them do anything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The dinosaur chick was confirmed to be Lucifer's bodyguard (so that makes her one of the stronger overlords) and it's been implied that Zestiel is stronger than Alastor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want to see more of macro-fetish furry overlord

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd argue that Katie should be bumped up if we're taking the pilot into account, she did a decent enough job grappling with Charlie. Otherwise it's not really fair to even include her or Tom on the list, considering literally all we see them do is sit behind the news desk.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, but can they beat Goku? jej

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw some punk tries to kill Michael with an angelic weapon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you'll need archangelic weapon for that

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the premise is undermined in the first episode
    >there are twenty things happening all the time and none are given an inch to breathe
    >and also none of them matter because they keep contradicting each other
    >the world makes no sense
    >the themes are schizophrenic
    >the music is mostly dull compared to the pilot
    >very, VERY little of the 'humor' is actually funny
    etc etc whatever
    So much wasted potential

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyways, What do you think is the best song in the show? I'd say its "Loser Baby"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      more than anything, welcome to heaven, and the finale
      poison was pretty good too, but i prefer ballads in musicals

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More Than Anything!

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't they keep Lute? At least as a sex slave.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do you guys think they'll write her?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Won't

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adam is their true father and Lucifer is a loser that turned Adam’s kids into losers. Now, the good sinners no longer belong to Lucifer and Lilith. They go to Adam and Lute.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The gigantic final twist of the show will be Lucifer wasn’t joking with the pelvic thrusts and actually did frick Eve, So all humans in the HazbinHelluvaVerse are actually half-demon - halflings, Which will explain why the few humans we’ve seen in the universe so far are moronic and/or violent Invader Zim tier sub-humans who let hydrochloric get spilled in the drinking water supply and don’t try to remedy it, and don’t immediately recognise a man with entirely tomato red skin as something non human

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There dosent really seem to be an actual explanation as to what would make a ‘fallen Angel’ like Lucifer different then someone like Sera, it seems more a political market then a physical thing - in a ‘biological’ sense I’m pretty sure Lucifer is just ‘100% genetically Angel’ and the Hellborn demons are just some lab experiments he cooked up.

      So if he fricked Eve and NTR’d Adam then all humans should just be AoT Titan nephelim

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      According to the interpretation you're alluding to, Cain was Lucifer's child. All of the bloodline perished in the Flood.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA No. Cain went back to God after killing and it might’ve been his loyalty and desire to bring the God of Israel to his land/city (Enoch) that made God fascinated and pleased with it, that he reclaims it as Israel. Cain’s Enoch is the most blessed city and Seth’s Enoch was so beloved that God took him to the heavens.
        Yet, people miss these critical details.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those thighs could kill

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did you notice in the finale, Adam’s has a right black eye and Lute has a left black eye.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Doesn't intervene with the exterminations because he actually despises sinners and demons
    >Only shows up to the battle because Charlie was in danger
    >Has a change of heart when he sees that the sinners Charlie has taken in are actually intent on bettering themselves

    Rushed character development but Lucifer has potential. I also like how it's clear that he could have glassed Alastor at anytime but still chose to participate in his petty popularity contest

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish we got more Hell politics. The best parts included the Overlord power struggle and the last two episodes. That said, we would've lost moments like Loser Baby if that was the focus of the show.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imo he could not get involved in the extermination before as part of his treaty with heaven, but since Adam broke heaven's end of the deal by carrying the extermination 6 months after the previous one instead of waiting a whole year, the deal is now off and he can fight against them. Althought, even if this was the case it would still be poorly written since he could've just shown up before the battle instead of waiting for shit to hit the fan.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You need to understand and remember that Lucifer is a selfish prick who belongs to hell.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s because Alastor was Vivzie’s pet sexyman but now she hates Alastor so Lucifer is her dream daddy who is the ultimate enabler of Vivzie’s crappy writing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the stick has been given to Adam because he’s the saddest and the most humble daddy. While Lucifer and Alastor are too cowardly to die for anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vivzie loves Alastor [I think potentially to the point of obsession], Her hatred is him being paired with literally anyone by the fandom because she wants him all to herself on a all encompassing level

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i know that feeling

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sorry im late
    Can't he just teleport?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      His stick broke.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I need more Zestial

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why was he even introduced? He did less than Carmilla.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >*Internal monologue*
    >("Oh...So he of all people fly's in and saves everyone in their moment of need...Of course...After the months i spent buttering young Charlotte up to me as well...Now she'll be joined at the hip with her loving father day-in-day-out...And in five minutes flat he even used his own magic to 'upgrade' the Hotel that 'I' and his daughter are 'partners' in...This isn't over Lucifer...Nowhere NEAR so!....")

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The literal patriarchy saves Charlie and her gay friends from a place run entirely by women except for a figurehead betacuck.
    What did she mean indeed?

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer being the "well frick I guess I have to see the consequences of my actions for eternity" is a good call, as long as Satan is like "lmao why so down? Fricking burn the frickers"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like how genuinely awful Lucifer is in this show, so even if there are some good things about him, you will say, “but you suck, you deserve to be here, and Adam is better”.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That Michael or some random OC angel will humble the shit out of him during a backfired "peace talk" in S2, prompting the Hazbin crew to pull something out of their asses to beat him in the next final battle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There will be tons of drama because Adam’s body will suddenly disappear.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or hopefully it will be Cain

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cain being the one to come for revenge is criminally underrated and a good twist.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone got any good hq pics of charlie's battle/demon look, including her trident?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how's this one, anon?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah that's good, thanks

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know I’m super late cause everyone watches this shit as soon as it hits and blogs about it right away, but…

    Episode 7
    Not much to say…
    -Thought the Vaggie/arms dealer song felt kinda out of place in what is supposed to be a serious tense moment, fighting for love what even is all that about?
    -Vaggie just regains wings?

    Episode 8
    -Previous episode was all about recruiting the cannibals, the cannibals were barely used or seen in the final battle.
    -Pointless showing the V gang always going back to them watching the fight. I nearly forgot Vox existed.
    -Sir Pentious’ death was a waste and a joke, he got Oceangate’d and never even got a hit on the enemy, and since Charlie’s dad is so powerful, if he came to the fight earlier, he wouldn’t have died
    -Charlie’s Dad, as soon as I saw him I thought “convenient plot device”, he’s so powerful he could have saved everyone. If he was so powerful why did the exterminations even need to happen?
    -I was expecting more citywide reactions and joy when the angles were defeated. I know they were coming for the hotel first, but I was expect more shots of the city people during this episode.
    -Still don’t know what Alastor’s deal with Charlie was. How does he repair his staff and heal?
    -Does Adam “die” and stay in hell if Sir Pentious’ can “die” and go to heaven?
    -Vaggie should have killed Lute I hate the trope when they don’t.
    -Whats the deal with the end and Lilth?
    -I was surprised Adam got killed in the end because Charlie showed him mercy and then crazy b***h Nifty stabs him. What if that comes back to bite everyone later?
    - Nifty is the most consistent character.
    -The tone change when they mourn Sir Pentious’ but then all of a sudden break into song about fixing the hotel, like what the frick was that? Its so weird to me. The show is either grim dark sad or its trying to be funny.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The hotel getting destroyed was no big deal, even without Alastor to use magic to fix, they all get it fixed within one song and now its bigger and better than ever. Its so moronic. We only ever saw the lobby for the entire first season.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What, like they wouldn't be able to rebuild it with all lucifer's resources and power either?
        It's a by the numbers somber moment, reminiscing about what they'd gone through, what they lost, but moving forward and rebuilding.
        Pretty basic and obvious.
        Hell the hotel was just a base, they could continue "the mission" anywhere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >-Does Adam “die” and stay in hell if Sir Pentious’ can “die” and go to heaven?
      No. Adam is based on Jesus in that his sinless sacrifice will be resurrect the righteous and the redeemed sinners first, then Adam/Jesus arises later with the wounds to prove their resurrections/identities (the holes on Jesus’ hands, the hole in Adam’s chest). Although, Adam might show his fat naked body when they find his clothes on the ground and wonder “what freak took his body and what are they are doing with it.”

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vees in the 8th episode were a nice way to make a viewer look at the conflict from a distance. Not everybody in hell cares about charlie, or even the exterminations. TV guy was only interested in watching Aljobster getting humiliated

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >dont give a shit about this dumb show
    >just think Lucifer is sexy
    >go to r34
    >there is no good lewd images of him, this was 1 of maybe 3 decent ones I could find

    Frick this world.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Exquisite taste anon. Have a devil daddy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And another

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One more!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there's shockingly few characters that have GOOD porn, much less on model porn.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is there a 'do it for him' for Alastor by chance?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i've made one for most of the boys by now in a fit of mental illness. enjoy, anon.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like one shouldn't be able to die in hell and be reborn in heaven. Seems kinda broken. And does this also imply that the angels will be reborn in hell?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It also makes me wonder where all the other souls that "died" went to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If they aren’t righteous, they become a part of hell itself forever and ever.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I swear I feel like every time I come to Cinemaphile this show gets more and more deeper into chaos.
    Maybe Satanism in it's final form shows it's true colors with this show - total uncertain plotpoints.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s nearly impossible to embrace Satan/Lucifer in this show since the sinner has to love the givers of sin (Lucifer and Lute) over the objectively good parents (Adam and Lute), and bad sinners are rewarded with death that only Adam can overcome.

      Lucifer is a tiny loser who cannot truly fulfill a sinner and turns other humans into delusional losers like himself that are never satisfied with the way things are. (Exactly like the main villain in Guardians of the Galaxy 3)

      So I literally don’t know what was this show made for. Especially when it puts into context about Helluva Boss in that we should HATE the hell born (including Blitzo, Moxxie, and Millie) because they make Adam cry when they slaughter, corrupt, manipulate, and control Adam’s children, making them the sons of Lucifer instead. Literally nothing about HB is funny anymore when Adam and Lute enter the picture and you have to see how demoralized they are.
      >Cue Adam crying on his paper because he is expecting his own death and his fears of failing to save his children once and for all. Like Christ did in the Bible.

      So my guess is that Viv wants to bake her cake and eat it so the gays and Alastors/Lilith’s/Lucifer’s/Sins rest “comfortably” hell for eternity, while Adam and Lute get the children they wanted back in heaven (Sir Pentious, etc.) for eternity.
      That’s literally the only way I can see this making any sense in her mind. Since the demons canonically do not deserve to be in Heaven in HER setting.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude you have 2INT.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon for the last fricking time it was Emily that cried on the paper.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Emily got the paper, crossed it out, and shows it to Sera. It has nothing in it to make her cry. Unlike Adam who is thinking about his children at the time and what they shouldn’t do.

          You simps are crazy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm going to rewatch the episode to prove this shit makes no sense, I'll be back.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Seems I misremembered the scene.
              That said, I think those are grease stains.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Projection.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know what is really going to piss you off? The show makes fun of the modern church's way of treating/seeing Jesus by having Angel Dust represent him.

        All that shit about "you can have me any way you want me" bullshit is making fun of how all modern christians sound like they want to suck him off.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The show makes fun of the modern church's way of treating/seeing Jesus by having Angel Dust represent him.
          Angel sinned, so by default, he can’t die for sin.

          Ironically, Angel dust is more like a fake Christian who fooled Charlie into thinking he is good. Just like the homosexual, Vox, did when he was a televangelist on Earth.
          So you canonically cannot fool the system to take you to Heaven. He has to let go of his pleasures to enter Heaven and see his sister.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are a literal moron that can not see things happening on more than one level and representing more than one thing at the same time in the same story.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I genuinely don’t know what are you are talking about. You provide no references, dialogue, or clips to make your conclusions or theories make sense. Nor analyzed the characters motivations and plots effectively to make me go “oh, you are right.” Or “maybe you are into something” like when an anon talk about “Lute realizing Adam is a bad and selfish person under woman logic” which leads me to realize that Lute was going to be tempted to betray Adam, like Eve and Lilith, because she was separated from him for a time, since she would be the one to break the curse for that, like Adam did for sinners.

              Charlie doesn’t have a Jesus arc.

              angel dust doesn’t even have a false Jesus thing going on.

              The only thing that is a false Jesus by far is Vox occasionally being a false pastor/prophet/savior (and his mortal past) but he openly wants to be the new Lucifer of Hell, like Alastor is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The modern church treats jesus like a fricking prostitute to pimp out for $$$ exactly like Vox treats Angel Dust.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean you are not wrong. I figured Adam while bleeding would have a bit of a sympthy with both his literal and metaphorical mask breaking and showing how broken he is on the inside with his loss of both wives and tainting of his race via the apple. Having a death with some kind of sadness as the cast could look more with pity as he dies rather than this weird short notice stabbing by Nifty.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In plain form it is, there is no Jesus nor almighty, all-knowing omniprescent God in the show. The backstory of Lucifer on the book tries to portray him as the good guy.

      >I geniunelly think the only reason adam is so likable is because vivzie is just a bad writer
      Anon. When Adam talked about how “uncool” hell and its residents are in episode 1, he literally almost started breaking down and crying. We know Adam became out of shape since Eden thanks to Lucifer, which reveals how utterly depressed and demoralized Lucifer has made him become since he destroyed Eve and humankind as a whole, by “perfecting it”.

      This is the father of all sinners who actually mourns for them, not fake boy Lucifer.

      Viv introduced Adam and Lute as “Lil Adam and *cough* Lute” to highlight Eve’s mysterious absence being a massive blow to Adam’s mental state and life.

      The last thing Adam said was:

      “I’m $&$&&$$ Adam!
      I’m the &@$&$&& man, and you’re just some $@&&&@ clown or something.
      I started everything on Earth.
      All of mankind came from these $@&$$$ nuts.
      You all should be worshipping me (as your true father), you ungrateful, disgusting &@$&&$ losers!”

      He died as a pissed off, disappointed, and depressed father who wanted his children to come back to HIM! He did everything for his children to get a second chance so they can know him.

      defending mediocre writing, he didn't try to redeem shit and was the most fricking basic "douchebag guy" ever, considering he is the antagonist of the season, he got no character development AT ALL. If anything the last 3 episodes look cramped with a lot of Disney writing.

      I'm calling it: The plot of the final season is going to be Charlie redeeming him, his evilness having been ground down over the course of the show.

      From the Disney writing of him "slowly feeling friendly and rejecting it" it seems like that

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So the homosexuals that sucked off Adam are STILL here?

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lute got what she deserved.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will we ever see the War in Heaven in a flashback?
    >Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
    >—Revelation 12:7–10 (NIV)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably not, since Jesus doesn’t have to step in as the second Adam, when the first Adam didn’t fall.

      Maybe it would be a gag of Lucifer making a desperate attempt of gathering his bros together and try to take it over, after getting banished for the Apple, only for Michael and seraphim to easily kick them out.
      All front of Adam’s fear-full eyes of “What was that????” and making the girl that keeps rejecting him (Lute) laugh her butt off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Book of Revelation goes hard, it's a shame Viv will never attempt to adapt it.

      "19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

      20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

      7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean its a nice lore, but the longer I think about it, it just sounds moronic. Do people unironically believe in this shit? And no, Im not a fedora tipping atheist

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only schizos do.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          John’s writing about the Romans, so I mean yeah. I don’t think most denominations of Christianity take Rev literally. It’s almost explicitly an allegory

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          John’s writing about the Romans, so I mean yeah. I don’t think most denominations of Christianity take Rev literally. It’s almost explicitly an allegory

          No. Our world is legit going to be that bad soon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Im not a fedora tipping atheist

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The longer I think about it, it just sounds moronic
          Anon, that's just mythology in general, pretty much all of them had weird stupid shit designed for the sake of symbolism or to explain something off about the world

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Revelations has been almost universally agreed to be allegorical, outside of vocal schizos.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why was lucifer cast out of heaven in the hazbin hotel verse again?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      giving the apple to eve

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He was "too big a dreamer" according to Charlie, but I imagine we'll learn get more details in the next season.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Giving humanity free will which introduced the consequence of evil to infect Heaven's perfect world.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      giving the apple to eve

      Lucifer is the fricking snake and apple from the god damn tree

      There’s tons of Hazbin references in Helluva Boss (Ex- angel dust poster in the background) and the world building of Helluva Boss is congruent with Hazbin. I can’t tell if you’re baiting or for real, Charlie as a Christ-like figure is a nice interpretation but other than you’re full of shit.

      dragging in material from Helluva just fricks up the story and it's obviously left out because theyre telling a different story in a different verse.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He wanted to give humanity free will and had good intentions, but humans turned out to be buttholes, and lucifer was forced to live in hell with all the sinners aka humans who used their free will for evil.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He was overly optimistic like his daughter. Guess we know where she got it from.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why was lucifer cast out of heaven in the hazbin hotel verse again?

        Giving humanity free will which introduced the consequence of evil to infect Heaven's perfect world.

        He was "too big a dreamer" according to Charlie, but I imagine we'll learn get more details in the next season.

        Lucifer’s core villainous reason for being in hell is:
        >You didn't want to make things perfect. You just hate things the way they are.

        He’s genuinely not a good person at all in this show and the show uses Adam to prove a point that what Lucifer did was insanely messed up, but he never felt bad for what he did (Stealing Adam’s wives and family from him), but for what happened to himself.

        Nothing he does can save the sinners, because he is too unworthy to ever take Adam’s place. And in this show’s vague rules (provided by Adam), Lucifer will never be truly selfless, stop stealing/corrupting everything that doesn’t belong to him, nor force the Sins and Hellborn to drop their operations on corrupting Adam’s children on Earth (sticking to the man).
        He’s a selfish, power-tripping/seeking, thieving, cowardly loser that only cares when bad things happen to him. That’s really really really bad….

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >He’s genuinely not a good person at all in this show and the show uses Adam to prove a point that what Lucifer did was insanely messed up,
          bro are you from an alternate timeline or something

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Um, the show makes you feel bad for him and gives him some likable traits.
            Like Alastor, but he is still a bastard unworthy of going to heaven. The Cherubs got punished with banishment for much less.

            Its crazy seeing people defend lucifer's actions on twitter or reddit whatever. It just felt gross when lucifer mocked adam during their fight, he was totally asking to get his shit kicked in. Lucifer took everything from Adam because he had beef with angels and continues to be a homosexual about it to this day. We're supposed to root for him. Insane.

            Here’s the weird part. Viv wanted us to HATE Lucifer and realize that Adam’s misogyny to Lilith/Eve/Lute and meanness towards sinners was never from a selfish. Adam loves women and considers the vegana to be the “greatest thing ever” and he loved the sinners enough to be angry with them on rejecting Adam for “some clown or something”.

            What Lucifer said about Lilith and Eve would make Lilith regret ever replacing Adam with Lucifer. Because that was so utterly horrible that Adam felt really bad for them, even when they did him wrong! Rosie/Lilith watched it happen on live television, so you can bet that she felt like a big fricking idiot!

            After Adam dies, Vivziepop wanted us to realize that Adam was the good guy are along, and the one who deserves the love from the sinners instead. Because in the foreground, it looks like Adam lost everything and Lucifer is getting everything he desired. But in the background, Adam is coming back to see Lute, the redeemed sinners, and the sinners. Adam finally had a woman who stays loyal to him and loves him just as much as he loves her. In the background, Lilith knows that Lucifer cheated on her and masqueraded himself (hinted in his powers) to be a guy who understands her. Almost of the good sinners Lucifer sees promises on will one day leave him behind and reunite with Adam. In the background, when Adam resurrects, he will be stronger than Lucifer’s overconfident ass.

            Lucifer lost everything on that day and we know he deserves it! He took everything from Adam, and now they can be taken away from him.

            Remember this, the character sheets for Adam and Lucy are meant to be “on the surface to secure the twists”. Viv said she likes “writing Adam the most” and did this.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Viv wanted us to HATE Lucifer
              LMFAO!
              Stopped reading there. Shut up and stop smoking bath salts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hey! don't be disrespectful. my peers and i have swallowed, snorted, and smoked bath salts many times and it never made any of us as anywhere nearly as stupid as the adam schizo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm going to die laughing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                tell charlie and the gang i said hi when you get there

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lucifer is garbage because he is a shit and poorly design and written version of a character.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I want this to be true but vivziepop is definitely not that good of a writer. Vivziepop clearly gets off on pwning Christians which is why Lucifer is just a wholesome short king and why adam is repersented as the universe's biggest douche. I geniunelly think the only reason adam is so likable is because vivzie is just a bad writer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nta, but this, I also want the scenario where Cain kills him and avenges Adam to happen now. I came up with it and now it really interests me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >adam is so likable

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really hard for the so called villain to be likable in a setting with killers, rapists, cannibals, arsonists and child molesters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                correct.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I geniunelly think the only reason adam is so likable is because vivzie is just a bad writer
                Anon. When Adam talked about how “uncool” hell and its residents are in episode 1, he literally almost started breaking down and crying. We know Adam became out of shape since Eden thanks to Lucifer, which reveals how utterly depressed and demoralized Lucifer has made him become since he destroyed Eve and humankind as a whole, by “perfecting it”.

                This is the father of all sinners who actually mourns for them, not fake boy Lucifer.

                Viv introduced Adam and Lute as “Lil Adam and *cough* Lute” to highlight Eve’s mysterious absence being a massive blow to Adam’s mental state and life.

                The last thing Adam said was:

                “I’m $&$&&$$ Adam!
                I’m the &@$&$&& man, and you’re just some $@&&&@ clown or something.
                I started everything on Earth.
                All of mankind came from these $@&$$$ nuts.
                You all should be worshipping me (as your true father), you ungrateful, disgusting &@$&&$ losers!”

                He died as a pissed off, disappointed, and depressed father who wanted his children to come back to HIM! He did everything for his children to get a second chance so they can know him.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I admire the effort you put into trying to make mediocre writing sound more palatable.
                He's just a frat boy dude. That's the entire joke. The first man is a stereotypical white douche.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This show is mediocre. Adam and Lute are simply astonishing characters that have their own 9/10 plotline that literally redefines the world building and how bad Hell/Lucifer truly are when you remove their styles and see the horrible substances inside them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's really not that complex. Viv wants everyone to love Lucifer and hate Adam and that's the end of it. Look at how she writes every other villain and protagonist. This shit happens all the time. Whoever is good is some innocent woobie that must be protected and villain is a turbo butthole that makes Micah from RDR2 and Erebus from 40k go "That's not subtle enough". It just how she writes. Badly.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Viv wants everyone to love Lucifer and hate Adam and that's the end of it. Look at how she writes every other villain and protagonist. This shit happens all the time. Whoever is good is some innocent woobie that must be protected and villain is a turbo butthole

                Anon. Adam was the man that saw his own wive and children become unrecognizable monsters because Lucifer treated them like test subjects instead of living beings.
                And of all princes in Hell, Lucifer’s monster form looks like a fricking resident evil monster.
                And in the fight between Lucifer and Adam, we saw both of their masks break apart. Adam’s is human even when he’s at his breaking point, and Lucifer’s face and body becomes purely demonic and corrupted. Lucifer revealed that he didn’t actually love Lilith and Eve and saw them accessories to steal, corrupt, and frick from Adam. But Adam revealed he truly loved Lute and his children on his death and doesn’t regret sacrificing himself for his children.

                We are not supposed to like Lucifer. We are supposed to realize that he deceived Charlie and the main cast into thinking he is a good guy. But, Alastor knew the truth about him because the real Lilith (Rosie) had him over that night and… it made Alastor overly emotional and disturbed at the idea he was tricking others into thinking he loved them….

                This series is stupidly heavy and detailed on the character writing for Adam, Lute, Lucifer, and Alastor (representing/knowing Lilith).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think you are just coping and wish there was this much complexity to it. There is not. There is really not. Viv does not deal in complexity.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Lucifer’s core villainous reason for being in hell
          his spirit was spread to us his children as our own holy spirit that is one with the great I AM, God the All Father. Lucifer being bound to earth in hell with is is because he lives here in his bloodline as our divine legacy and the taint of original sin.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Lucifer being bound to earth in hell with us is because he lives here in his bloodline as our divine legacy and the taint of original sin.
            It is the answer to every riddle. Deny it if you will but it unlocks every secret.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its crazy seeing people defend lucifer's actions on twitter or reddit whatever. It just felt gross when lucifer mocked adam during their fight, he was totally asking to get his shit kicked in. Lucifer took everything from Adam because he had beef with angels and continues to be a homosexual about it to this day. We're supposed to root for him. Insane.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            cope and seethe morningstars won

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              While I've been coping and seething you've been squirting and creaming pal

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                can you blame me?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why is Charlie's eye exploding out of her head?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think that is a flower

                better pic I guess

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >because he had beef with angels
            that sounds more like what the cannibals did than lucifer

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          moron salty that cuck Adam died?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, these guys (I think it might just be two, one is a phoneposter) are going to be all over the HH threads for the next, I don't know, two years?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds miserable.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >not throwing peanuts at the monkeys

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              and these threads deserve even more, hope you get more shipper schizos

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, these guys (I think it might just be two, one is a phoneposter) are going to be all over the HH threads for the next, I don't know, two years?

            Nah. I’m not Salty. I’m just glad Vivziepop was smart enough to give the W to Adam and shown us that Lucifer is actually the most evil bastard in Hell that deserved to lose the sinner child custody case to Adam and Lute, without even knowing it. Lucifer doesn’t even get the gloat of “saving sinners” because his pride on his “mercy” ironically allowed Niffty (an unstable Adam daughter) to take the glory instead of that stupid Clown. He wanted to perform a sacrifice on a lamb in episode 5 and he cucked himself out of the “once-in-a-eternity” chance to fix his own mistakes. While revealing his true nature to the real Lilith on live television, thinking he was getting an “upper hand” on Adam by gloating about what made him into the most hated being in all of creation. (It’s no wonder Lucifer is a clown, Vivziepop wanted us to literally consider him a clown who doesn’t deserve our respect. Like how Adam’s “evil mask” is actually a lamb to foreshadow Adam’s loving-selfless sacrifice for his sinners, as their true father. ; _ 😉

            Lucifer only had special abilities, a grand mind, and amazing privileges that were given to him in the start. Nothing else about him that is real, selfless, loving, brave, and honorable.

            He’s exactly the kind of “nice guy” that Vivziepop would hate the most.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lucifer doesnt care about the sinnners

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Youre schizoposting dude Adam is an overcompensating spurned butthole who wants entertainment/revenge that's what makes him hot I mean great

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Adam is an overcompensating spurned butthole who wants entertainment/revenge
                Vaggie’s and Carmine’s song literally spells out the origins of Adam’s overwhelming powers that are capable of killing sinners and angels. Adam cannot use hate and vengeance to form his powerful and devastating blasts. They had to come from him fighting for LOVE.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you forget what the embodiment of Love, God, did in Genesis 6?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damn I should've realized the song about how to get better at fighting was secretly about Adam's deathray love powers, thank you for your secret knowledge adamzchizo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Really???? But Carmine literally hammers it over, and over, and over again that the true power to kill angels is from fighting for Love.

                We see a huge absence of it from Lucifer (who has to turn ugly and corrupted to display his true powers) while Adam never becomes a monster to use his full set of powers against Lucifer. Just like Vaggie and Carmine in their fights.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Angelic weapons are the way to kill angels and sinners proper, fighting for love is how to be motivated and focused enough to win, specifically with vaggie who struggles with being overconfident in battle like all angels

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fighting for love is how to be motivated and focused enough to win,
                Which is what Adam and Lute had to push through. Adam refused to leave unless they killed him (like he desired).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymouse

              >amazing privileges that were given to him in the start
              Bit hypocritical, Adam spawned in the garden of Eden

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not in the HH universe. There is no God. This Adam was just the first human.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer doesnt care about Adams pastime he just beat him for the lulz

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gonna be honest, I was waiting for Sir Pentious to appear out of some rubble and go "im fine! that was my holographic AI body double!"

    I really didn't want to except they killed him off in such a stupid fashion, onto of the fact his death was pointless because Lucy showed up and saved the day in the end. Could shown up a bit earlier bro.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then he wouldn’t be redeemed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does everyone have to die in a sacrificial fashion to be redeemed? What about just doing some good deeds?
        I didn't want Sir Pentious to leave! I liked him. Hate to sound like a pajeet, but
        >Sir Pentious, do not redeem!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Does everyone have to die in a sacrificial fashion to be redeemed? What about just doing some good deeds?
          The whole point is not even the angels know what the actual standards are, thus Adam making up his interpretation on the spot.
          They also didn't believe that redemption was possible at all. Which they believed was confirmed when Angel didn't suddenly ascend after the teensiest bit if good behavior, which I interpreted more as them shutting down the possibility early to avoid cognitive dissonance what with all the angels in the audience murmuring and starting to question things.

          As for pentious there's the possibility he'll become our window into the heaven side of things if we get another season.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer needs to give Charlie inbred nearly full archangel babies

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    adam dying/losing really broke some brains here huh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it sure did.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christcucks are just that fragile

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if homosexuality is bad then why did angels make adam so hot

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >people think these guys are the archangels
    >inb4 they're actually all archons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't there need to be more of them?

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The same way the modern world views someone like H.P. Lovecraft or Crowley - People in the near future [If not now, In my own case] will view Vivziepop in much the same way.
    As she has managed to pick up the torch which both of them set down and continued moving in the direction they did by successfully imprinting her message into the popular culture.

    Look at the usage of the names of the spirits of the Ars-Goetia and the daemons of the daemonology.
    Look at how she has successfully mass-replicated the sigils of the Ars-Goetia in her work [primarily of Stolas], And through the show itself and its merchandising has broadcast it to millions upon millions of T.V.'s and tablets and plastered it up in millions of rooms. [Notably
    Look at the creation of sigils for her own inventive-deity [Alastor] present within Hazbin Hotel.
    She even creates new symbology and Sigology for deities within popular-thought which so far yet to have any.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The same way the modern world views someone like H.P. Lovecraft or Crowley - People in the near future [If not now, In my own case] will view Vivziepop in much the same way.
      I've thought about that possibility, and the idea scares me. Religious branches and personality cults based on the ideas of a deviantArt fujo who never managed to grow out of her edge phase. It's horrifying.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The same way the modern world views someone like H.P. Lovecraft or Crowley
      >Crowley
      uh no. he is largely un-influential.
      zoomers don't even know who he is.
      most millennials don't either, nor have they read anything by him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Look at the creation of sigils for her own inventive-deity [Alastor] present within Hazbin Hotel.
      I already did that, Here's all the ones that i've seen in the show so far when he does his voodoo stuff.

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vaggie gets to play with Charlie's adorable demon tail whenever she wants. She won big time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vaggie and Emily* part of the diplomacy package

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That is hilarious.

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He needs to pump Charlie's womb full of Archangel babies

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just got here can someone give me a thread recap

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Y'know, when I saw the pilot I thought the series would focus on how Hell works and redeeming the sinners. Given that the society and enviroment actively encourages the sinners to plot and fight amongst themselves while the hellborn supply them with the means to do so. With Charlie, as sinners arrive and relay problems they have with the upper echelons of Hell, having to fight and maybe even use politics to resolve problems with the bigger players with Heaven not being a major presence until farther into the show.

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adam and Lute did nothing wrong

    Rev 18:1-8
    >After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:
    >“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
    >She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit,
    >a haunt for every unclean bird,
    >a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
    >For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries.
    >The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
    >and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

    >Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
    >“‘Come out of her, my people,’
    >so that you will not share in her sins,
    >so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven,
    >and God has remembered her crimes.
    >Give back to her as she has given;
    >pay her back double for what she has done.
    >Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
    >Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
    >In her heart she boasts,
    >‘I sit enthroned as queen.
    >I am not a widow;
    >I will never mourn.’
    >Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine.
    >She will be consumed by fire,
    >for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

    The angels and exorcists are based.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>Give back to her as she has given;
      >>pay her back double for what she has done.
      >>Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
      >>Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
      in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine.
      >>She will be consumed by fire,
      >>for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
      Why are the angels in the bible even more bloodthirsty?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is kind of true because irl, sinners can't be redeemed once they go to hell according to Christianity and Catholicism. They had their whole mortal lives to repent and if they didn't, well, it's over for them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon the bible mentions many times that there will be a second judgement, in which all are judged.
        Nice try tho

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, but one is for the unbelievers and the other is for the believers. In the first one, all unbelievers are doomed and thrown into hell for their names are not written in the Book of Life. In the second, the actions of the believers will be judged to see if they really followed the teachings of Christ.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Christianity goes far beyond catholicism.

        someone factions of Christianity dont even believe in hell

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MORNINGSTAR SUPERIORITY

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YES

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cool angle.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw victory sex with daughterfu

  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the Vees

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i need all three of them to use me like a fleshlight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hot

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >*BRAP*

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
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      Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  74. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know, With Charlie, When i saw her redesign i said 'RUINED!'
    But you know what?, She's growing on me, She cute If i headcanon away how ugly they made her pig-feet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah her hooves are absolutely adorable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  75. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IS THAT FRICKING STELLA!?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's sera but it's likely another commentary on heaven/hell being two sides of the same coin

  76. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When I was at work, I thought it would be fricking funny if a new character introduced to the show was a former angel who got kicked out of Heaven for being annoying. Not sinning, not betraying, not anything serious. Just being annoying.

  77. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So why did adam go to heaven? Schizos who think adam is supposed to be Jesus need not reply. I'm guessing vivzie's reasons will just be something like the angels let him in even though he was le evil cuz he was the first man

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >. I'm guessing vivzie's reasons will just be something like the angels let him in even though he was le evil cuz he was the first man
      Isn't that canon? Sera says something like, "well he was the first man".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How can he be evil if didn't eat the apple?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody knows. Adam said that acting selfless, not stealing, and sticking it to the man got him into heaven but he also was very nervous and said "yeah, that sure got me here. right, Sera?" and Sera was like "well, he was the first human soul in heaven". She doesn't know either.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean he was let into Heaven in Paradiso and was an angel (or something similar) Adam definitely dies in the Biblical canon.

  78. 3 weeks ago
    The Demon

    >charlie had an edgy phase

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Goth Daughters

  79. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Um, the show makes you feel bad for him and gives him some likable traits.
    Like Alastor, but he is still a bastard unworthy of going to heaven. The Cherubs got punished with banishment for much less.

    [...]
    Here’s the weird part. Viv wanted us to HATE Lucifer and realize that Adam’s misogyny to Lilith/Eve/Lute and meanness towards sinners was never from a selfish. Adam loves women and considers the vegana to be the “greatest thing ever” and he loved the sinners enough to be angry with them on rejecting Adam for “some clown or something”.

    What Lucifer said about Lilith and Eve would make Lilith regret ever replacing Adam with Lucifer. Because that was so utterly horrible that Adam felt really bad for them, even when they did him wrong! Rosie/Lilith watched it happen on live television, so you can bet that she felt like a big fricking idiot!

    After Adam dies, Vivziepop wanted us to realize that Adam was the good guy are along, and the one who deserves the love from the sinners instead. Because in the foreground, it looks like Adam lost everything and Lucifer is getting everything he desired. But in the background, Adam is coming back to see Lute, the redeemed sinners, and the sinners. Adam finally had a woman who stays loyal to him and loves him just as much as he loves her. In the background, Lilith knows that Lucifer cheated on her and masqueraded himself (hinted in his powers) to be a guy who understands her. Almost of the good sinners Lucifer sees promises on will one day leave him behind and reunite with Adam. In the background, when Adam resurrects, he will be stronger than Lucifer’s overconfident ass.

    Lucifer lost everything on that day and we know he deserves it! He took everything from Adam, and now they can be taken away from him.

    Remember this, the character sheets for Adam and Lucy are meant to be “on the surface to secure the twists”. Viv said she likes “writing Adam the most” and did this.

    Oh frick. Sorry.

  80. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Everyone thinks Alastor is going to be the big bad
    No fricking way, that would be way too obvious. The entire show is meant to be a big subversion of shit, so subverting expectations of a character is going to happen. Mark my words, he'll not only be reformed/sent to Heaven, he will also become a homosexual who falls in love with an angel.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He doesn't have to be the big bad but he could still be the 'just below the big bad' like Dio in JoJo part 7.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm calling it: The plot of the final season is going to be Charlie redeeming him, his evilness having been ground down over the course of the show.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that would be way too obvious
      Yeah, not like the unpredictability of having to fight Heaven in the last episode.

  81. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Bible Lucifer is cool as frick and neat story
    >Hazin version is lame as frick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dude's a bum in any reality.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s quite amazing how accurate Lucifer is in this show that he’s written to be a manipulative monster who dresses himself in dead white clothes. And when you have the other Princes in mind from HB, it’s clear he is actually pushing humans to sin on Earth with the Hellborn (creatures that Lucifer and the Princes created), so he doesn’t want humans to redeem themselves on Earth. He wants humans in hell to see whatever comes out of them, which is scary.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I tried to sit through this show, it's unbearable to me. I'm not even a Christian.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can skip right to the Adam and Lute parts, Lucifer parts (except the song), and Lilith/rosie and Alastor parts to get a grasp of the lore.
            Almost everything else is seto-filler to establish characters.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I know it's its own Universe and stuff, but this shit seems like a cringe fanfiction..

  82. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Prediction.
    >The show will go full cape-shit at some point and reveal that asides from Christian heaven and hell, Asgard, Some voodoo afterlife place and Chinese people confushi heaven also exist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean why not? It would at least explain why there seems to be only people from modern history. Also I’m not keen on the lore but where the frick are all the historical figures? Is there like a super hell or something?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You fricking moron. There's only people from modern history because of the yearly exterminations. It's extremely rare for someone to last through hundreds of those, and when one has, they get a reputation for being ancient (Zestiel).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So angry for a simple question

  83. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i wish they would spitroast me

  84. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  85. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Season 2 leaked scene:

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We all saw your mistake.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >*Radio voice cut's off*
      >"Madame Lilith...W...What are you doing down here in H...Hell? You didn't inform me you were comi-"
      >"Alastor...I told you that your job was to 'protect and watch over my daughter while she pursued her little Hotel fantasy.'"
      >"A...And i've done just that!...Young charlotte and her friends are all safe and sound..."
      >"Yes, Yes she is...At least for now...but..."
      >*Neck chokes Alastor into a wall*
      >"WHAT PART OF OUR LITTLE ARRANGEMENT SAID 'I WILL LET CHARLIE START A WAR WITH HEAVEN AND END UP KILLING ADAM SO NOW ALL OF HEAVEN IS UP IN ARMS'"?
      >"Y...Y...You didn't tell me i had to intervene in her schemes...Just...Just to AHHHH!...Just protect and observe...her"
      >"...."
      >*Drops Alastor*
      >"Well i suppose that's fair, I didn't precisely tell you NOT to do that after-all...Your free to go...For now."
      >"W...Wonderful seeing you again madame Lili-"
      >"Actually no, One more thing...I can't exactly be seen in public down here...And i couldn't bring any of those oily pool boys down here..."
      >"...?, Oh, NO!, Madame Lilith i really mus-"
      >"Naked. Now."
      >*Teardrops roll down cheeks while still making their goofy smile*

  86. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he looks so happy

  87. 3 weeks ago
    Santa

    Hey guys, Satan here (

    [...]

    ), ask me anything

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want an action figure for Christmas, also when is season 2?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Santa

        Go frick yourself.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Santa

        Okay and it's gonna be 16 months minimum.

  88. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  93. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Lucifer cuck Adam twice?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looking at finale, Adam cucked him back
      I mean, what else would he want from Lilith?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He wanted to take the kids back. Which is why Lilith was utterly pissed.

        If Adam was freeing the sinners from their sins by paying for them, that would mean Lilith would be dragging down the best sinners into hell to keep lifting herself up like a parasite. So, Lilith has to prevent Adam’s kids from being redeemed in Hell or else she will have to drop down into Hell.

        Adam and Lute wanted her to frick off from Heaven.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Trying to cuck each other out
        >The woman was just using them
        A tale as old as man, they both should know better than to try and win the heart of a genuine prostitute.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Trying to cuck each other out
        >The woman was just using them
        A tale as old as man, they both should know better than to try and win the heart of a genuine prostitute.

        His kids back.
        This is basically what happened in a nutshell.

        %3D%3D

  94. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of prostitutes.
    What would the prostitute of babylon be like in hazbin hotel?

  95. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope Jesus shows up and puts both the Hell resident and Angels in their place.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn’t that Adam’s role in HH?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. Adam was based on Adam. If anything Messiah would be a Jesus character.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, Jesus is called the second Adam.
          If the original Adam didn’t fall, he could’ve been the proper and perfect sacrifice for sinners, just like HH Adam.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is no God in HH. So Jesus will never show up.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >There is no God in HH
              Please tell me you’re joking

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >There is no God in HH
              Please tell me you’re joking

              Why don’t people realize that Adam is the one that is representing God, his love, his wrath, and his desires to have mankind return to him, by being the image of God that is never corrupted.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                HE. CANT. REPERSENT. ANYTHING. BECAUSE. VIVZIEPOP. IS. moronic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this real or you’re head canon? Because you can’t have a show with Heaven and Hell without God, that’s like having a show about Norse Mythology without Odin.

                Don't bother, this spamming moron has been spewing his shit nonstop in literally every hazbin thread like a broken record

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this real or you’re head canon? Because you can’t have a show with Heaven and Hell without God, that’s like having a show about Norse Mythology without Odin.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >T. Didn’t read the Bible.
                Great. Another worthless person who needs to read the source material before they speak a damn thing.

                HE. CANT. REPERSENT. ANYTHING. BECAUSE. VIVZIEPOP. IS. moronic.

                That’s not a good argument anymore. And you know it. Sometimes, Good writers make bad choices. And Bad writers make great choices. And that’s how things are. Understanding the context of Adam explains almost everything about Lucifer’s true nature and how his “good ideas” are actually lies to the highest degree in that ultimately, he was experimenting on humans (eve) for his greed to faint more power. Even his ascension form looks like a completely messed up abomination, as if he was experimenting on his own body… HE DID! HE DID!
                He’s so utterly creepy.

                [...]
                Don't bother, this spamming moron has been spewing his shit nonstop in literally every hazbin thread like a broken record

                You speak exactly like a broken record and literally offer no other great-good suggestions or ideas to break any scripts or make people go “oh, maybe this cool thing will happen”. Didn’t I warn you about that earlier bot-non?

  96. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >adult octavia
    >3 meters tall, breasts like basketballs
    >a deep vegana that requires a horse to satisfy

  97. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want a human to show up in the middle of the demon and angels and just tell them both they suck and to go frick off.

  98. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Demon anon and Charlie sex.

  99. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have unironic questions as someone who doesn't watch cartoons really but keeps seeing this art style on twitter. Is Hazbin the same world/spinoff of Helluva boss? Is it better than clone high new season because that shit sucks and I need a new comedy cartoon to watch at work.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is Hazbin the same world/spinoff of Helluva boss
      Yes, HB was a spin-off series to tide people over while Viv was getting HH done.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Is Hazbin the same world of Helluva boss?
      Yes. It’s the original show. HB is the spin-off. Although, Adam is meant to look bad and Lucifer is meant to look good in the beginning, but later on, the roles get totally flipped to where Adam is the true hero and father of Sinners and Lucifer exposes himself as being nothing more than an evil deceiving monster that only cares about himself and gloating about the greatest evils he committed on Earth (deceiving Lilith and Eve and separating them from Adam)..
      > Is it better than clone high new season because that shit sucks and I need a new comedy cartoon to watch at work.
      Yes. Clone High wasn’t actually good.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is there some fricking source material somewhere I’m missing, or are people just posting made up theories?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ozzie, Mammon, Beezlebub in HB discuss about their pasts or have backgrounds revealed by Vivziepop. They are fallen angels who were buds with Lucifer.
          >HB has Imps openly allow sinners to kill humans on Earth, succibus and other Hell born are ordered by Hell to be pop stars and influencers that push humans to sin.
          >Hellborn are not created by God because they lack the immortality of sinners, angels, and heaven born. Thus, they had to be created under the Princes of Hell

          >HH reveals the biased perspective Lilith on Lucifer, trying to praise his ideas, in episode 1.
          >Lucifer treats the sinners like failed, annoying lab experiments instead of people he wronged and feel bad for. He never seeks to help them, which is a massive red flag on his true nature.
          >Lucifer’s full angel form is the most corrupted and messed up out of the Princes, implying he corrupted himself just like Eve, under experiments. Which means he was never satisfied with his gifts.
          >Lucifer’s comments on Lilith and Eve in Episode 8 shown that never regretted on what he did to them and Adam. He is only sad for getting rightfully punished by Heaven. Displaying exactly why Adam called him “the most hated being in all of creation.” And Adam is canonically never wrong about anything. Which is very scary to think about.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are not created by God because they lack the immortality of sinners, angels, and heaven born. Thus, they had to be created under the Princes of Hell

            There is no god in the Hellaverse. The top angels, the seraphim, created everything after just popping into existence one day. There are only like 6 or 7 of them. Lucifer was one and was cast into hell for providing humans with free will and fricking up the other's plans to control everything with perfect order

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Adam is God’s most beloved son in HH. So he only talks to him.
              >for providing humans with free will
              Adam is literally the most influential being in all of creation because he never ate the fruit and remained pure. Lucifer’s free will is a lie. He’s only seeking for himself.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Haven’t seen HB, but idk man, I think a lot of people are hoping this show has a lot more intrigue and depth then it will end up having.

            I don’t Lucifer will turn out to be a bad guy, and I don’t think Adam will turn out to be some savior figure. There’s something weird going down with Al and Lilith but I think that’s the extent of it

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > I think a lot of people are hoping this show has a lot more intrigue and depth than it will end up having.
              I honestly never did because I thought it was going to be shallow, “Adam bad”, and “Lucifer is misunderstood”. But no.

              Lucifer here is almost exactly like he is described in the Bible (masquerading as an angel of light, like we see in his white appearance and clothes) and Adam in this show, as proven in episode 6, struggles to understand and describe what sin is, because he is a sinless man.

              The entire time in HH, Lucifer is gloating about the fruit of good and evil instead of regretting ever making it in the first place. And Alastor is given extra details about him by Lilith, but Alastor also knows how Lilith/Rosie feels because they constantly talked together, and the implication about Alastor’s behavior in episode 8 is quite troubling. You see, Alastor doesn’t like it when women cry and considers them the vulnerable sex that need protecting. So if Lilith is feeling down, he feels down too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Both shows are by the same creator and they take place in the same universe. Helluva Boss pilot was released some time after the Hazbin Hotel pilot, so HB is considered a spinoff of HH.
      However, Helluva Boss is an independent Youtube series while Hazbin Hotel is on Amazon Prime. I don't know if either series will be able to directly reference the other. It might cause a legal clusterfrick regarding copyrights/licensing/etc.
      I haven't watched Clone High so can't make comparisons. I don't think either HH or HB is particularly good. But they are polarizing and controversial, and they provide a lot of entertainment because of that aspect.

  100. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok but what does Verbalase represent and where does he fit into the cosmology?

  101. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The god in Hazbin Hotel is Vivzi the Pop. There I solved the mystery. That'll be $20 or a non expired coupon from Chili's to get that margarita chicken I like.

  102. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if demon Adam was at the hotel and he finds that story book that Charlie was reading in ep 1.
    >Charlie, let me tell you what really happened at eden.

  103. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dickmaster is back

      More?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope

  104. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dickmaster is back

      >People still think Lucifer actually loves Lilith and Adam “deserves hell”.
      For real? Lucifer shown off how he “respected” her in the finale episode heartlessly, that Adam felt bad for her.

      Literally, the foreshadowing Rosie is Lilith was the implication that Alastor spent the night witnessing her heart break into pieces. So on that fight, Lilith and Lute ended up crying over their lover for two completely different reasons.

  105. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dickmaster is back

  106. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer is too good for hell heaven or earth.

  107. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  110. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hell is shown as a pretty good place, not a punishment for sinners. Why sinners should even want a redemption, especially now when Extermination canceled?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's basically my take. No one in hell seems to really mind being there, and if anything they seem to revel in the debauchery of various flavors.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hell is shown as a pretty good place, not a punishment for sinners. Why sinners should even want a redemption, especially now when Extermination canceled?

        Personally if would have been more interesting if they had leaned into Heaven being Law and Hell being Chaos and everyone accepting that Chaos isn't inherently bad. Then Charlie just tries to make hill a bit nicer and forces Heaven to frick off

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, Lucifer, the daddy of Hell, is mega mega mega evil. Who is only seen as a good person or a hero under the sinners he deceived (Lilith/Rosie included). And it’s implied that after the fight with Adam, Alastor saw Lilith breaking down in tears over what Lucifer said about her on live TV.

          He is the perfect face of Hell and it’s all style and no substance. Hell represents the very corruption and evil Lucifer brought to reality, which is never truly completely undone when the sinned humans and redeemed sinners become winners. And even under that corruption, Adam wants to love them and praise them. Lucifer is never satisfied by the immense power and influence he had in Heaven, so he corrupted the Earth (by experimenting on Eve) and waged a war on heaven with the Princes of Hell to try to take it over.

          Hell is always Hell because he and his corruptions are the ones in charge, and no one can collapse him because he is the most corrupted and powerful being in Hell.

  111. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sex with _____

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lute

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MaskedLute

  112. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FRAUDam

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >only loses to King of Hell

  113. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This thread was cute and all but its time to die with rest of them.

  114. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Luci is so hot FRICK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Huh? He looks like a fricking furry.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not a furry I just wanna frick him (and alastor)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have a lot going on with you, don't you?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Look man I just like what I like

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Charlotte is not attractive to me.

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