Amazing how the movies had to shit on absolutely every single part of the mythos just to make Miles look better, and he's still no one's favorite character
>thinking 2099 is the most bad ass Spider-Man
correctly
I don't really care that the version in the movie isn't the normal Miguel at all, he's a different character. All I care about is that people know Miguel can and will frick up anyone who pisses him off.
>Anon literally making shit up out of his ass
classic
also, apparently everyone is simping for Miguel now. I wouldn't have believed it if someone told me years ago
everyone came out of the movie thinking 2099 is the most bad ass Spider-Man lmao And in Miles' own movie too!
>thinking 2099 is the most bad ass Spider-Man
correctly
I don't really care that the version in the movie isn't the normal Miguel at all, he's a different character. All I care about is that people know Miguel can and will frick up anyone who pisses him off.
Agree with all of you. My theater was packed with kids and I overheard them all say that miles, indian spidermen and gwen were annoying. But future spiderman was the best and coolest spiderman.
To be fair they skipped over his origin and all they show was him injecting himself with serum and beat his fangs. How else are you supposed to interpret that?
Bruh there’s like a million different stories featuring vampires and every time the way they work is different. Using a serum to become a vampire isn’t that crazy.
I had both my siblings and close friends mistake him for a vampire.
ATSV forgot just how literal normies interpret things.
To be fair they skipped over his origin and all they show was him injecting himself with serum and beat his fangs. How else are you supposed to interpret that?
In actually don't think the association will be remembered. After a while it'll just be "Remember that hot mexican Spider-Man?" and Miles will be forgotten, as usual.
>miles biggest villain
homie, hes gonna be seen as dildos, body pillows, and fit motivational pics. look at the femoids on social media, he has some of them barking like literal dogs
>homie, hes gonna be seen as dildos, body pillows, and fit motivational pics. look at the femoids on social media, he has some of them barking like literal dogs
There are aspects of the new design I think work well within the context of the movie like beefing him up to make him more intimidating, but I mainly wish they'd kept the classic skull spider
For a series supposed to reference the comics they kinda pick and choose what they want to be faithful to. As much as I hate Miles’ suit in the comics what they had him wear in ATSV was so boring I actually enjoyed seeing him without the suit.
I just saw this movie. So everyone else Miles saved in Indian Spiderman's universe doesn't cause a singularity because it didn't matter if they lived or died? Miles's uncle died, shouldn't that have been the "close person to Spiderman dies because of him/her"? If it was canon that spot kills his dad, why tell Miles in the first place? Couldn't they have sent him back without telling him and let the future just happen? Miguel is trying to stop Miles from saving his dad because he has to die for him to be a good Spiderman, but then is all "You're weren't supposed to be Spiderman!... even though our machine is telling us of events that's going to happen that happens to every Spiderman.." They have a Spiderman club and they know pretty about Miles and the universe without a Spiderman, and didn't do anything to remedy it, not even in this movie? Prowler Miles wants to kill Spider Miles immediately? For what purpose?
>First spoiler
Yes. They are all irrelevant. >Second
No you see they REALLY wanted to force this plot and realised it made no fricking sense so they decided to force in this idea that EVERY Spider-Man loses a loved one at the start of the career but then uh...they also arbitrarily lose a Police Captain later as well. Nevermind most Spider-Men don't even fricking have a police captain that die on them. >Third
There is no reason besides shitty writing. You could maybe argue it's just Miguel trying to be respectful and understanding of Miles by telling him the truth and trying to get him to understand why it happens. >Fourth
Miles is Spider-Man NOW but he wasn't MEANT to be Spider-Man. His Peter wasn't expected to die at that point and Miles gaining his powers wasn't meant to happen in that universe. There is another universe with another Miles that has no Spider-Man where that Miles was meant to gain the powers. >Fifth
We can't say whether or not they did try but what exactly can they be expected to do there? Most Spider-bites are accidental and most Spider-Men don't even know how to replicate the power. Miguel could maybe force the other Miles into an Alchemax machine to alter his DNA or try to create a spider with the right properties but that's all risky and could destabilise the universe if it perceives that as 'non-canon'. >Sixth
There is zero evidence of that. They just saw a doppelganger of him so they tied up the doppelganger and Prowler-Miles is now questioning him. That's all normal behaviour.
Thanks for the reply. I did like the movie, the action, the art, and even the humor, but some of the plot kinda bent me out of shape a little. Along with the pregnant woman on a motorcycle..and the BLM button when his fricking dad is a cop, Jesus. >Fourth
Funny how that wasn't SUPPOSED to happen, but there was no singularity collapsing the universe, weird. Maybe brought up in the sequel. >Sixth
Alright that's fair.
>and the BLM button when his fricking dad is a cop, Jesus
You can still be critical of police treatment of blacks while still having a father in the police force. Having an ACAB pin would've been more jarring.
nta but I thought it was Miguel trying to give miles time to process spend with his Dad before the event goes down, sortof like hospice.
It seemed like something Peter and Gwen would've pushed for when they talked the matter over.
A line like that would have really helped. But the problem is Miguel probably wouldn't have agreed to take the risk so they just kind of handwave it as him liking to monologue and show his powerpoint presentation. It also doesn't seem like Miguel wants him to have quality time with his dad because he's also set on not letting him go home.
I'd have much rather had them try to deceive him and have him doing busywork and then Gwen or Spiderpunk break rank to tell him what's actually going on and then Miguel to hear of it and try to stop him getting home. I think that would have made a lot more sense plotwise
>So everyone else Miles saved in Indian Spiderman's universe doesn't cause a singularity because it didn't matter if they lived or died?
Yes, the multiverse literally revolves around Spiderman(plural). It's typical lord and millar stuff, turning narrative conventions into literal elements of the world. >Miles's uncle died, shouldn't that have been the "close person to Spiderman dies because of him/her"?
I think that the movie is saying that every spider man loses someone in the place of Uncle Ben and then later on loses someone in the place of Gwen Stacy. That's the only thing that makes sense to me based on Gwen's comment that her getting close to Spider man always ends badly. But it's badly explained since for the few we have any information about we don't know what their second tragedy is. >If it was canon that spot kills his dad, why tell Miles in the first place? Couldn't they have sent him back without telling him and let the future just happen?
Yes, and considering they had no problem lying to him and keeing him in the dark I don't know why they didn't.
cont >Miguel is trying to stop Miles from saving his dad because he has to die for him to be a good Spiderman, but then is all "You're weren't supposed to be Spiderman!... even though our machine is telling us of events that's going to happen that happens to every Spiderman.."
Since apparently nobody realised that Miles was going to end up on Earth 42, I'm assuming they're going with something like Miles being a blindspot because he was outside of their established idea of how the universe works, but I agree that at the end of ITSV it just come across as poorly thought out. >They have a Spiderman club and they know pretty about Miles and the universe without a Spiderman, and didn't do anything to remedy it, not even in this movie?
They seem to have absolutely no interest in anything aside from stopping the anomalies. Which makes sense since it establishes that fricking with other worlds is a bad idea, but makes it seem a bit weird that they were also using it as a giant club house in their off time. >Prowler Miles wants to kill Spider Miles immediately? For what purpose?
Based on what we see Prowler Miles seems like a hardened criminal who just discovered somebody in his house who looks like him pretending to be him. Immediately trying to kill them (or torture them for information, then kill them) seems like a plausible response.
>Since apparently nobody realised that Miles was going to end up on Earth 42,
Yeah, how does that work? Miguel is a fricking geneticist and it's even stated in the movie that they're sent back to the dimension matching their DNA from the bite. He knows the spider came from Earth-42 and he knows it bit Miles, it's the entire reason he's an anomaly. How exactly could Miguel miss that?
I think that the film makers were expecting it to be much less obvious than it was. To me it was obvious the second I saw the 42, and I'm sure smarter people would have put it together even before then. But the way the next bit plays out, with the really drawn out scene where Miles and Gwen are sneaking into his house and it's framed to make sure it seems possible they could both be converging on the same place, and the way the 'reveal' is emphasized to such a massive degree makes me think that maybe some test audiences just didn't understand what was going on.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. You always hear stories of test audiences being ridiculously incapable of understanding basic mechanics in things like video games, resulting in said mechanics being reduced in complexity or even removed entirely. It's kind of mind boggling.
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Combos are a basic mechanic in fighting games and they're horrible.
I guarantee you that Prowler Miles and Actual Miles will actually help each other. They'll have a little squabble, then maybe a heart-to-heart then team up with Gwen's "band" to save the day. If the film actually ends with Miles retiring as Spider-Man for good to get away from all the nonsense I'd commend it for that alone since it hasn't been done before for someone that's been pushed this hard
>Miguel is trying to stop Miles from saving his dad because he has to die for him to be a good Spiderman, but then is all "You're weren't supposed to be Spiderman!... even though our machine is telling us of events that's going to happen that happens to every Spiderman.."
This bugged me too. It's pulling in two directions. They simultaneously want Miguel to be an butthole for singling out Miles, treating him like something that shouldn't exist, but also want Miguel to approach this as if it's a necessary rite of passage for Spider-men... Which would imply he's accepted him as his world's Spider-man.
>if Miles' saves his Dad the entire universe ends
...but why?
"Spiderman's tragic backstory" being the linchpin of multiple universes is moronic, its fricking Spiderman, he just saves people on New York, he's irrelevant outside of New York let alone the rest of the universe
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See[...] >Yes, the multiverse literally revolves around Spiderman(plural). It's typical lord and millar stuff, turning narrative conventions into literal elements of the world.
That's being needlessly reductive. Everything in the movie is why it is because the writers say so.
Spiderman is the figurative center of the universe in his comic, because that's how protagonists work. Spiderverse makes Spiderman the literal center of the universe because it justifies the plot and they think it's funny. >but that's dumb!
Sure, but it's also pretty typical of Lord and Millar's style.
>the universe is 13 billion years old >if some dude in the 21st century, living on earth in one specific city, isn't bitten by a spider, and then doesn't witness some random police officer he doesn't really know all that well die, the entire universe will collapse
yeah it does sound moronic when you write out
>Let's put a mechanism that removes free will from the story for no reason >unless the plot doesn't require it to. >Yes, if you save your dad the whole universe collapses >but a world without spider-man doesn't. >And obviously Miles is the only one who doesn't accept this moronic system. After all we know that every other spider-man is a cold-blooded soldier who would just blindly accept it instead of calling Reed Richards and saving the multiverse.
This whole "canon" thing was bullshit that didn't follow any rule, and even if it did it would've still been bad. Especially when, all things considered, the canon was the true main antagonist of this film. Probably in the next movie they will reveal that the true nature of the canon was misunderstood by everyone, or Miles will use his unique situation to eliminate the canon.
Why does Miguel not at any point try to fix Earth-9591? Seems like a pretty major oversight on his end considering it was left in ruins by a canon event being disrupted
It's never stated that they never try to fix shit or find another way. That's a fundamental issue with how Miles, Gwen, etc are depicted in resisting the Spider-Society. Miles's dad dies in two days. They expect Miguel to figure out an alternative in two days when the Spider-Society has been doing this for months, potentially up to a year and they haven't found another solution.
You might point to Gwen's dad retiring but realistically how is the Spider-Society meant to experiment with this shit when the risk is an entire reality being destroyed? It's unreasonable and stupid.
Actually I think it might be worse than that.
We don't actually know if Miles father was meant to live or not, but by telling Miles that it's going to happen they've already risked fricking it up either way. If Miles father is meant to die and Miles saves him, then they've busted the timeline, but if he isn't meant to die having Miles change what he would have done could interfere with the actual death happening like it was meant to.
And the Spider Society must know this is a possibility, Gwen can't be the first spider-person who has a cop not die in their timeline, there are thousands of Spidermen. They must know that they can't be certain who's going to die.
And on top of that inviting along every Spiderman they find, even if they still haven't lost anybody like Indian Spiderman, just seems like a horrendous idea. What if they make the very obvious connection between the experiences all the other Spidermen share and their own life and try to do something to prevent it? Or what if they don't, and then they find out after the fact that everybody else knew they were about to lose somebody important to them and they just stood bye and waited for it to happen? The Spider Society seems like it's been set up as a time bomb for no reason.
None of those things make Miles look better than he would have otherwise. They're not establishing him as a prodidgy at understanding multiverses. They just make the Spider Society look dumber.
They are establishing Miles as a prodigy at understanding multiverses actually. At the start of the movie they have a meeting regarding his educational goals and it's mentioned he's a genius who gets straight As when he skips school constantly and Miles states he believes he can revolutionise Multiversal theory and make contact with other universes if goes to a specific university. Combine that with him directly conflicting with the Spider-Society and the Spider-Society being written as being absurdly ignorant/incompetent with the multiverse and it all ties up neatly as Miles being the super prodigy at multiversal theory that will save them all from their own stupidity.
I really wouldn't be shocked if this all ends with him as the leader of the Spider-Society and if the epilogue shows his version is hyper-competent at their work.
Yeah it's just badly written and you have to not think about it too much for it to work, or conclude every single one of them is a fricking moron, especially Miguel
Anyone else noticed how more acceptable it was to meme racist jokes out of this movie? As long as it was between Miguel and Miles, the normies seemed okay with it.
That happened years ago didn't it? To my recollection she was really pissed off at him and went her 'own way' as a mob boss or some shit. In the current run MJ cucked Peter with some writer self-insert called Paul and now Peter and Felicia are together.
OMD wiped her memories of Peter which left her with a feeling that something was missing in her life and that she was heading down a dark path even before the punch.
I don't think anyone finished the movie and thought "oh man what an evil villain! I sure dislike that guy"
He's an anti hero who had good intentions but was tweaking in the second half. Him being the antagonist won't suddenly tarnish his image
Maybe a 6.5/10 for me. I like the visuals, the style and the character writing. I thought it was too long for a film that only sets up the next one and there were too many dumb points like the ones being discussed. First one was a lot better. Overall I like it more than I dislike it but it's not great
I actually loved the first two thirds, liked most of the last third but really didn't like the last bit. It was a combination of all the plot issues being backloaded and the pacing starting to drag on when they shifted from the movies (already drawn out) climax to setting up cliffhangers for the next film.
Also no matter how much creativity you pour into your multiverse, I'm just at a stage where I felt the more grounded character material in the first half was more engaging.
The first half of the movie was great. I actually really liked Miles, The Spot and enjoyed all sorts of other elements. Second half (When they go to the Spider-Society) starts to drop off because a lot of the writing feels contrived or ridiculous and the only character in that part that I found entertaining and engaging was Miguel.
General consensus is that a lot of the movie IS good and enjoyable, especially the animation, action sequences and characters, but the plot kinda falls in on itself with the whole Spider Death Cult thing and it's very decisively meant to set up the sequel meaning a lot of shit remains unresolved.
The idea that Spider-Man has some kind of suffering quota he needs to meet or his universe implodes is the sort of shit you'd see in an intentionally bad parody
That's more an issue of Miles having zero memorable villains unique. I only remember the Miles clones because I laughed at them just doing the clone saga for Miles.
Doesn't the whole timeline go to shit if Miles saves his dad? Doesn't that mean his dad will die anyway since he fries the entire timeline and assumedly ends his entire universe? Also my biggest problem with the first and second movies are the fact that it runs at 3 frames per second. They said it was a "stylistic choice" but that just sounds like bullshit because I think it looks bad. Hard to do cool fight scenes at 2 FPS.
That's the entire idea, yes. The Spider-Society is essentially a strawman for Miles to make Miles seem better. They're setup to be blatantly wrong for him to be right with zero effort.
Also all of this assumes Jefferson would choose to risk the universe anyways. I guarantee if Miguel dropped in and told him about what's happening Jefferson would choose to die for the sake of his universe.
wrong. miles needs to witness the death for it to be impactful. didn't you see all the other deaths with spiderman holding the dying captain in his arms?
if peter had a gwen in his universe and they were the same age does that mean that gwen's world is like early 2000s while miles' is in the 2020s? does that mean she's sexing someone 20 years her junior?
There's this odd thing that's been happening for the past decade where the corporations want to be down with the people who are anti-corporate so they don't look out of touch and lose their "friendship". It's fricking bizarre.
>if Miles' saves his Dad the entire universe ends
...but why?
"Spiderman's tragic backstory" being the linchpin of multiple universes is moronic, its fricking Spiderman, he just saves people on New York, he's irrelevant outside of New York let alone the rest of the universe
See
>So everyone else Miles saved in Indian Spiderman's universe doesn't cause a singularity because it didn't matter if they lived or died?
Yes, the multiverse literally revolves around Spiderman(plural). It's typical lord and millar stuff, turning narrative conventions into literal elements of the world. >Miles's uncle died, shouldn't that have been the "close person to Spiderman dies because of him/her"?
I think that the movie is saying that every spider man loses someone in the place of Uncle Ben and then later on loses someone in the place of Gwen Stacy. That's the only thing that makes sense to me based on Gwen's comment that her getting close to Spider man always ends badly. But it's badly explained since for the few we have any information about we don't know what their second tragedy is. >If it was canon that spot kills his dad, why tell Miles in the first place? Couldn't they have sent him back without telling him and let the future just happen?
Yes, and considering they had no problem lying to him and keeing him in the dark I don't know why they didn't.
>Yes, the multiverse literally revolves around Spiderman(plural). It's typical lord and millar stuff, turning narrative conventions into literal elements of the world.
something tells me the director is going to see all the love for Miguel and the slowly-growing apathy for Miles (and/or the MilexPeni shippers) and try to "course-correct" it to make Miles and Gwen the bestest Spider-person ever and Miguel a big sexy meanie he always was.
I genuinely think you people made up almost all of the scenarios in your head. I never heard of people thinking he is miles villain or even villain at all.
Women behaviour.
I do really like his redesign at least, the changed pattern and colors and the hard light webs are cool and him being top heavy makes him more imposing and beastial when the situation calls for it
>It took 10 years to give Miles a memorable antagonist
>he's just an already existing character
lol
He already had Prowler. And now Spot. Guy really has nothing original though.
Seriously, does he unironically have NO villains still? You'd think he was a fricking homeless orphan with all the goodwill hand-me-downs he gets
Amazing how the movies had to shit on absolutely every single part of the mythos just to make Miles look better, and he's still no one's favorite character
everyone came out of the movie thinking 2099 is the most bad ass Spider-Man lmao And in Miles' own movie too!
>thinking 2099 is the most bad ass Spider-Man
correctly
I don't really care that the version in the movie isn't the normal Miguel at all, he's a different character. All I care about is that people know Miguel can and will frick up anyone who pisses him off.
>Anon literally making shit up out of his ass
classic
also, apparently everyone is simping for Miguel now. I wouldn't have believed it if someone told me years ago
It’s just everyone’s inner racist trying to fight the brainwashing
>You're making shit up!
>Also yes I can confirm Miguel is getting more attention than Miles
Uh
Agree with all of you. My theater was packed with kids and I overheard them all say that miles, indian spidermen and gwen were annoying. But future spiderman was the best and coolest spiderman.
Also everyone literally thinks he's a vampire now
I had both my siblings and close friends mistake him for a vampire.
ATSV forgot just how literal normies interpret things.
To be fair they skipped over his origin and all they show was him injecting himself with serum and beat his fangs. How else are you supposed to interpret that?
Vampires aren't typically made through a serum and Gwen's Peter was shown turning into the Lizard through a similar shot.
Bruh there’s like a million different stories featuring vampires and every time the way they work is different. Using a serum to become a vampire isn’t that crazy.
Didn't Morbius morb himself into a vampire with serum?
I've also seen people unironically thinking Miguel morbed.
But he's out in broad daylight during the climax.
Yeah and?
It's because GWEN made the comparison. The writers shouldn't have done that shit and known better.
They’re just going to redeem him in the next one
But not Spider-Man's.
Miggy has been my favorite Spider-Man since the original 2099 run began, so this is a great development for me.
They’ll change how he’s written in the comics, just like Noir.
In actually don't think the association will be remembered. After a while it'll just be "Remember that hot mexican Spider-Man?" and Miles will be forgotten, as usual.
He wasn't forgotten in the lul between ITSV and ATSV.
I forgot about him
I think you're minimizing the impact of this film. There's kids out there who adore Miles so much I think he'll be around for a while.
He's obviously gonna be redeemed in part 3 anyway, also Kingpin wa the main antagonist of the first movie and no one associates him with Miles
Kingpin is a general villain, he is Peter's, Daredevil's, Punisher's, etc.
>miles biggest villain
homie, hes gonna be seen as dildos, body pillows, and fit motivational pics. look at the femoids on social media, he has some of them barking like literal dogs
>homie, hes gonna be seen as dildos, body pillows, and fit motivational pics. look at the femoids on social media, he has some of them barking like literal dogs
he's got the shoulders, hair and cheek bones.
Women are about as simple as men and breasts.
>a chiseled Hispanic man
>BBC’s one true enemy
LA wars all over again
Hispanic AND Irish
>he doesn't know
>homie
You need to be 18 to post here.
frfr bruh no cap
Who’s gonna stop me if I’m not?
Yep. People are literally posting “Spider-Man 2099” workout regime
I have never once seen people misconstrue miguel as a "villian", an antagonist sure but not a villian.
With Cinemaphile they don't see in gray areas. These are autists who can't fathom complex social dynamics.
More like Spider-man 2099 will forever be seen as cooler and significantly more interesting than Miles Morales.
I'll always be mad that they didnt use his original design
There are aspects of the new design I think work well within the context of the movie like beefing him up to make him more intimidating, but I mainly wish they'd kept the classic skull spider
idk I fricked with the new spider and the oversized arm blades.
I really love the red accents being neon lights
For a series supposed to reference the comics they kinda pick and choose what they want to be faithful to. As much as I hate Miles’ suit in the comics what they had him wear in ATSV was so boring I actually enjoyed seeing him without the suit.
What if the original Miguel from the ITSV post credit scene is the one who died and ATSV Miguel replaced him?
I just saw this movie.
So everyone else Miles saved in Indian Spiderman's universe doesn't cause a singularity because it didn't matter if they lived or died?
Miles's uncle died, shouldn't that have been the "close person to Spiderman dies because of him/her"?
If it was canon that spot kills his dad, why tell Miles in the first place? Couldn't they have sent him back without telling him and let the future just happen?
Miguel is trying to stop Miles from saving his dad because he has to die for him to be a good Spiderman, but then is all "You're weren't supposed to be Spiderman!... even though our machine is telling us of events that's going to happen that happens to every Spiderman.."
They have a Spiderman club and they know pretty about Miles and the universe without a Spiderman, and didn't do anything to remedy it, not even in this movie?
Prowler Miles wants to kill Spider Miles immediately? For what purpose?
>First spoiler
Yes. They are all irrelevant.
>Second
No you see they REALLY wanted to force this plot and realised it made no fricking sense so they decided to force in this idea that EVERY Spider-Man loses a loved one at the start of the career but then uh...they also arbitrarily lose a Police Captain later as well. Nevermind most Spider-Men don't even fricking have a police captain that die on them.
>Third
There is no reason besides shitty writing. You could maybe argue it's just Miguel trying to be respectful and understanding of Miles by telling him the truth and trying to get him to understand why it happens.
>Fourth
Miles is Spider-Man NOW but he wasn't MEANT to be Spider-Man. His Peter wasn't expected to die at that point and Miles gaining his powers wasn't meant to happen in that universe. There is another universe with another Miles that has no Spider-Man where that Miles was meant to gain the powers.
>Fifth
We can't say whether or not they did try but what exactly can they be expected to do there? Most Spider-bites are accidental and most Spider-Men don't even know how to replicate the power. Miguel could maybe force the other Miles into an Alchemax machine to alter his DNA or try to create a spider with the right properties but that's all risky and could destabilise the universe if it perceives that as 'non-canon'.
>Sixth
There is zero evidence of that. They just saw a doppelganger of him so they tied up the doppelganger and Prowler-Miles is now questioning him. That's all normal behaviour.
Thanks for the reply. I did like the movie, the action, the art, and even the humor, but some of the plot kinda bent me out of shape a little. Along with the pregnant woman on a motorcycle..and the BLM button when his fricking dad is a cop, Jesus.
>Fourth
Funny how that wasn't SUPPOSED to happen, but there was no singularity collapsing the universe, weird. Maybe brought up in the sequel.
>Sixth
Alright that's fair.
>and the BLM button when his fricking dad is a cop, Jesus
You can still be critical of police treatment of blacks while still having a father in the police force. Having an ACAB pin would've been more jarring.
nta but I thought it was Miguel trying to give miles time to process spend with his Dad before the event goes down, sortof like hospice.
It seemed like something Peter and Gwen would've pushed for when they talked the matter over.
A line like that would have really helped. But the problem is Miguel probably wouldn't have agreed to take the risk so they just kind of handwave it as him liking to monologue and show his powerpoint presentation. It also doesn't seem like Miguel wants him to have quality time with his dad because he's also set on not letting him go home.
I'd have much rather had them try to deceive him and have him doing busywork and then Gwen or Spiderpunk break rank to tell him what's actually going on and then Miguel to hear of it and try to stop him getting home. I think that would have made a lot more sense plotwise
It wasn't about being a good Spider-Man, it was about not collapsing the universe
>So everyone else Miles saved in Indian Spiderman's universe doesn't cause a singularity because it didn't matter if they lived or died?
Yes, the multiverse literally revolves around Spiderman(plural). It's typical lord and millar stuff, turning narrative conventions into literal elements of the world.
>Miles's uncle died, shouldn't that have been the "close person to Spiderman dies because of him/her"?
I think that the movie is saying that every spider man loses someone in the place of Uncle Ben and then later on loses someone in the place of Gwen Stacy. That's the only thing that makes sense to me based on Gwen's comment that her getting close to Spider man always ends badly. But it's badly explained since for the few we have any information about we don't know what their second tragedy is.
>If it was canon that spot kills his dad, why tell Miles in the first place? Couldn't they have sent him back without telling him and let the future just happen?
Yes, and considering they had no problem lying to him and keeing him in the dark I don't know why they didn't.
cont
>Miguel is trying to stop Miles from saving his dad because he has to die for him to be a good Spiderman, but then is all "You're weren't supposed to be Spiderman!... even though our machine is telling us of events that's going to happen that happens to every Spiderman.."
Since apparently nobody realised that Miles was going to end up on Earth 42, I'm assuming they're going with something like Miles being a blindspot because he was outside of their established idea of how the universe works, but I agree that at the end of ITSV it just come across as poorly thought out.
>They have a Spiderman club and they know pretty about Miles and the universe without a Spiderman, and didn't do anything to remedy it, not even in this movie?
They seem to have absolutely no interest in anything aside from stopping the anomalies. Which makes sense since it establishes that fricking with other worlds is a bad idea, but makes it seem a bit weird that they were also using it as a giant club house in their off time.
>Prowler Miles wants to kill Spider Miles immediately? For what purpose?
Based on what we see Prowler Miles seems like a hardened criminal who just discovered somebody in his house who looks like him pretending to be him. Immediately trying to kill them (or torture them for information, then kill them) seems like a plausible response.
>Since apparently nobody realised that Miles was going to end up on Earth 42,
Yeah, how does that work? Miguel is a fricking geneticist and it's even stated in the movie that they're sent back to the dimension matching their DNA from the bite. He knows the spider came from Earth-42 and he knows it bit Miles, it's the entire reason he's an anomaly. How exactly could Miguel miss that?
I think that the film makers were expecting it to be much less obvious than it was. To me it was obvious the second I saw the 42, and I'm sure smarter people would have put it together even before then. But the way the next bit plays out, with the really drawn out scene where Miles and Gwen are sneaking into his house and it's framed to make sure it seems possible they could both be converging on the same place, and the way the 'reveal' is emphasized to such a massive degree makes me think that maybe some test audiences just didn't understand what was going on.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. You always hear stories of test audiences being ridiculously incapable of understanding basic mechanics in things like video games, resulting in said mechanics being reduced in complexity or even removed entirely. It's kind of mind boggling.
Combos are a basic mechanic in fighting games and they're horrible.
I guarantee you that Prowler Miles and Actual Miles will actually help each other. They'll have a little squabble, then maybe a heart-to-heart then team up with Gwen's "band" to save the day. If the film actually ends with Miles retiring as Spider-Man for good to get away from all the nonsense I'd commend it for that alone since it hasn't been done before for someone that's been pushed this hard
>Miguel is trying to stop Miles from saving his dad because he has to die for him to be a good Spiderman, but then is all "You're weren't supposed to be Spiderman!... even though our machine is telling us of events that's going to happen that happens to every Spiderman.."
This bugged me too. It's pulling in two directions. They simultaneously want Miguel to be an butthole for singling out Miles, treating him like something that shouldn't exist, but also want Miguel to approach this as if it's a necessary rite of passage for Spider-men... Which would imply he's accepted him as his world's Spider-man.
Miguel tells him because according to this movie if Miles' saves his Dad the entire universe ends
>if Miles' saves his Dad the entire universe ends
...but why?
"Spiderman's tragic backstory" being the linchpin of multiple universes is moronic, its fricking Spiderman, he just saves people on New York, he's irrelevant outside of New York let alone the rest of the universe
>...but why?
>"Becouse the writers said so"
Yeah, thanks
Meant for
That's being needlessly reductive. Everything in the movie is why it is because the writers say so.
Spiderman is the figurative center of the universe in his comic, because that's how protagonists work. Spiderverse makes Spiderman the literal center of the universe because it justifies the plot and they think it's funny.
>but that's dumb!
Sure, but it's also pretty typical of Lord and Millar's style.
>bro, writing moronic nonsensical stories is my style bro
yeah ok
>That's being needlessly reductive.
>"Its actually becouse Its 'le hecking meta', anon, get ir right"
Great. Thanks.
I didn't say you had to ike it, but yeah that's basically it.
>the universe is 13 billion years old
>if some dude in the 21st century, living on earth in one specific city, isn't bitten by a spider, and then doesn't witness some random police officer he doesn't really know all that well die, the entire universe will collapse
yeah it does sound moronic when you write out
>Let's put a mechanism that removes free will from the story for no reason
>unless the plot doesn't require it to.
>Yes, if you save your dad the whole universe collapses
>but a world without spider-man doesn't.
>And obviously Miles is the only one who doesn't accept this moronic system. After all we know that every other spider-man is a cold-blooded soldier who would just blindly accept it instead of calling Reed Richards and saving the multiverse.
This whole "canon" thing was bullshit that didn't follow any rule, and even if it did it would've still been bad. Especially when, all things considered, the canon was the true main antagonist of this film. Probably in the next movie they will reveal that the true nature of the canon was misunderstood by everyone, or Miles will use his unique situation to eliminate the canon.
>normies
Oh who cares. They'll forget all about all of this by the time the next MCU comes out.
Why does Miguel not at any point try to fix Earth-9591? Seems like a pretty major oversight on his end considering it was left in ruins by a canon event being disrupted
It's never stated that they never try to fix shit or find another way. That's a fundamental issue with how Miles, Gwen, etc are depicted in resisting the Spider-Society. Miles's dad dies in two days. They expect Miguel to figure out an alternative in two days when the Spider-Society has been doing this for months, potentially up to a year and they haven't found another solution.
You might point to Gwen's dad retiring but realistically how is the Spider-Society meant to experiment with this shit when the risk is an entire reality being destroyed? It's unreasonable and stupid.
>that bulge
He's bigger than Gwen
Actually I think it might be worse than that.
We don't actually know if Miles father was meant to live or not, but by telling Miles that it's going to happen they've already risked fricking it up either way. If Miles father is meant to die and Miles saves him, then they've busted the timeline, but if he isn't meant to die having Miles change what he would have done could interfere with the actual death happening like it was meant to.
And the Spider Society must know this is a possibility, Gwen can't be the first spider-person who has a cop not die in their timeline, there are thousands of Spidermen. They must know that they can't be certain who's going to die.
And on top of that inviting along every Spiderman they find, even if they still haven't lost anybody like Indian Spiderman, just seems like a horrendous idea. What if they make the very obvious connection between the experiences all the other Spidermen share and their own life and try to do something to prevent it? Or what if they don't, and then they find out after the fact that everybody else knew they were about to lose somebody important to them and they just stood bye and waited for it to happen? The Spider Society seems like it's been set up as a time bomb for no reason.
>for no reason
Of course there's a reason. To wank off Miles as the best Spider-Man by having everyone else frick up and then having him save them.
None of those things make Miles look better than he would have otherwise. They're not establishing him as a prodidgy at understanding multiverses. They just make the Spider Society look dumber.
They are establishing Miles as a prodigy at understanding multiverses actually. At the start of the movie they have a meeting regarding his educational goals and it's mentioned he's a genius who gets straight As when he skips school constantly and Miles states he believes he can revolutionise Multiversal theory and make contact with other universes if goes to a specific university. Combine that with him directly conflicting with the Spider-Society and the Spider-Society being written as being absurdly ignorant/incompetent with the multiverse and it all ties up neatly as Miles being the super prodigy at multiversal theory that will save them all from their own stupidity.
I really wouldn't be shocked if this all ends with him as the leader of the Spider-Society and if the epilogue shows his version is hyper-competent at their work.
Yeah it's just badly written and you have to not think about it too much for it to work, or conclude every single one of them is a fricking moron, especially Miguel
uuuuhhhhhh!!! rape correction!!
Listen, if a city is going to turn to crime because one dude wasn’t bit by a spider then frankly the people deserve the shithole they’ve created
That was Earth-42
Earth-9591 is in a far worse state of ruins
only trannies and Black folk see him as a villain
even twitter cooms for him
Normies love him. He's getting tons of shit all over Twitter. Cinemaphile will seethe but he's literally never been more popular and well liked
it feels like the same guy making these threads
Anyone else noticed how more acceptable it was to meme racist jokes out of this movie? As long as it was between Miguel and Miles, the normies seemed okay with it.
Everyone loves racist jokes.
its acceptable for latinos to hate blacks
hell most people didnt even know Miles is half Puerto Rican until this movie brought it up again
Nah, Miguel's gonna face turn in the next movie and help Miguel fight Spot, his arch-nemesis.
Is he mostly tho?
When is Otto Spidey going to show up?
I still want to see how Felicia treats him the next time they met after Peter takes back control.
That happened years ago didn't it? To my recollection she was really pissed off at him and went her 'own way' as a mob boss or some shit. In the current run MJ cucked Peter with some writer self-insert called Paul and now Peter and Felicia are together.
OMD wiped her memories of Peter which left her with a feeling that something was missing in her life and that she was heading down a dark path even before the punch.
YouTube is filled with essays about how Miguel isn't a bad guy and you're crazy if you don't think he's getting redeemed in Movie 3.
I don't think anyone finished the movie and thought "oh man what an evil villain! I sure dislike that guy"
He's an anti hero who had good intentions but was tweaking in the second half. Him being the antagonist won't suddenly tarnish his image
normies think he's racist which is the biggest sin you can commit
Because of the no you're black meme edits? You know that's a joke right?
I got a boner when he started scolding Gwen.
>SPIDER-BYTE, SET THE GO-HOME MACHINE TO "SPANK". MAXIMUM SETTING.
I love how absolutely fricking SHREDDED miguel is in this one
So everybody here likes the movie I take it?
hate the plot. like the animation for the most part. like the comedy.
Maybe a 6.5/10 for me. I like the visuals, the style and the character writing. I thought it was too long for a film that only sets up the next one and there were too many dumb points like the ones being discussed. First one was a lot better. Overall I like it more than I dislike it but it's not great
I actually loved the first two thirds, liked most of the last third but really didn't like the last bit. It was a combination of all the plot issues being backloaded and the pacing starting to drag on when they shifted from the movies (already drawn out) climax to setting up cliffhangers for the next film.
Also no matter how much creativity you pour into your multiverse, I'm just at a stage where I felt the more grounded character material in the first half was more engaging.
The first half of the movie was great. I actually really liked Miles, The Spot and enjoyed all sorts of other elements. Second half (When they go to the Spider-Society) starts to drop off because a lot of the writing feels contrived or ridiculous and the only character in that part that I found entertaining and engaging was Miguel.
General consensus is that a lot of the movie IS good and enjoyable, especially the animation, action sequences and characters, but the plot kinda falls in on itself with the whole Spider Death Cult thing and it's very decisively meant to set up the sequel meaning a lot of shit remains unresolved.
The idea that Spider-Man has some kind of suffering quota he needs to meet or his universe implodes is the sort of shit you'd see in an intentionally bad parody
That's more an issue of Miles having zero memorable villains unique. I only remember the Miles clones because I laughed at them just doing the clone saga for Miles.
That's the spot
Doesn't the whole timeline go to shit if Miles saves his dad? Doesn't that mean his dad will die anyway since he fries the entire timeline and assumedly ends his entire universe? Also my biggest problem with the first and second movies are the fact that it runs at 3 frames per second. They said it was a "stylistic choice" but that just sounds like bullshit because I think it looks bad. Hard to do cool fight scenes at 2 FPS.
That's the entire idea, yes. The Spider-Society is essentially a strawman for Miles to make Miles seem better. They're setup to be blatantly wrong for him to be right with zero effort.
Also all of this assumes Jefferson would choose to risk the universe anyways. I guarantee if Miguel dropped in and told him about what's happening Jefferson would choose to die for the sake of his universe.
>sorry Miles our portal system is corrupted, I'm gonna need you to stay here two days
Just like that, the canon is saved.
wrong. miles needs to witness the death for it to be impactful. didn't you see all the other deaths with spiderman holding the dying captain in his arms?
No.
if peter had a gwen in his universe and they were the same age does that mean that gwen's world is like early 2000s while miles' is in the 2020s? does that mean she's sexing someone 20 years her junior?
me and the gang wenn op is a gayot
>miles and gwen see a man horrifically disfigured in an industrial accident
>first instinct is to mock him
Why did they repurpose the anti-corporate Spider-Man? Having an Anti-corporate Spider-Man seems very appropriate right now.
The writers aren't very smart
There's this odd thing that's been happening for the past decade where the corporations want to be down with the people who are anti-corporate so they don't look out of touch and lose their "friendship". It's fricking bizarre.
Corporations are our friends.
is he gonna be in the third one?
Unironically like him more than Miles.
As do all the women now
Of course. Miles if for the gays.
See
>Yes, the multiverse literally revolves around Spiderman(plural). It's typical lord and millar stuff, turning narrative conventions into literal elements of the world.
This movie's conflict is really weird because Miguel is the bad guy for caring about the world beyond just Miles and his friends and family.
something tells me the director is going to see all the love for Miguel and the slowly-growing apathy for Miles (and/or the MilexPeni shippers) and try to "course-correct" it to make Miles and Gwen the bestest Spider-person ever and Miguel a big sexy meanie he always was.
(me)
also they'll make Peni a lesbian to really send it in.
They should've started this Spider-Verse shit with a straight forward adaptation of 2099.
But that wouldn't feature the spectacular spider-niglet
>They should've started this Spider-Verse shit with a straight forward adaptation of 2099.
How would that help the agenda?
I genuinely think you people made up almost all of the scenarios in your head. I never heard of people thinking he is miles villain or even villain at all.
Women behaviour.
he isnt even protrayed as a villain in the movie.
I do really like his redesign at least, the changed pattern and colors and the hard light webs are cool and him being top heavy makes him more imposing and beastial when the situation calls for it