Shit, I could look at mutants dying all day. Frickers thought they could be like Prometheus but ended up reaching too high like Icarus. I can't muster up any sympathy for a bunch of characters who are constantly written as uppity holier-than-though minorities. Frick Marvel, I hope their writers all collectively break their wrists.
it was very c**ty of Marvel to do a 'vote for members of the new X-Men team!' to deliberately kill them off, knowing it would be packed with fan favourites.
essentially punishing readers for liking b and c list characters.
Marvel fricking HATES the "vote for the next X-Men" scheme because fans voted for Firestar (who Duggan DESPISES) instead of the D-Lister Duggan wanted instead, so he did this to punish fans when they repeated fricking over Duggan's SJW garbage wish of more darkies by voting in Juggernaut.
I was mostly just joking, but you know perfectly it's a BMWF thing, worst part is the "hundred years long love" bullshit to push it as the one true love. Well no, worst part is that it's the TRUE Laura and she's reduced to arm candy. I have legit no idea what where they thinking.
Yeah the Laura that went through so much just to be Synch's PDA toy and personal sex kitten seems a bit weird
Dazzler has it even worse, constantly mocked for her washout career, broke up with longshot because muuuh amnesia, forgotten in the dust. And only brought back to have a cute moment with Jugg and die horribly.
At least she canonicly got an ass according to Jube.
I miss Longshot. Even after Krakoa lightened up on their non-mutie immigration they still didn't bring him back. Now Ali will never know about how their son got the Cable treatmen.
probably for the best, since Peter David thought it was funny to turn Shatterstar into his own grandfather. >I'm sorry, can you repeat the part where you just said I was 'kind of' fricking a clone of my own son this whole time?
But Juggernaut didn't die, people often forget that he has a good healing factor even if not at full power, he was either captured or left for dead in Krakoa.
They pretty much confirmed that winning the election was what saved him.
I have no sympathy for misanthropic mutants. As long as they deny their humanity, they are lesser. They deserve this shit for their arrogance and I'm disappointed that it's just going to get reversed.
Yeah, plot contrivances are pretty common. They usually don't bother me as long as a book delivers something else. These books deliver novelty and zanyiness, so I'm fine with it.
It could go either way. If the island is going away, this could be the start of another classic X-Men culling. They won't return and we'll get a very scaled down mutant population. Who's on a future cover that died at the gala? That'll answer the question of if anyone should care.
At the moment the mutants making the resurrections possible are gone, presumed dead by Chuck. It's unclear if they can still do their thing, wherever they are.
The 5 mutants that do the resurrection stuff got sent through a separate evacuation portal from everyone else, so presumably they're off the board for awhile, away from everybody else. I'd imagine they'll show up again near the end of the arc just long enough to respawn all the important people, then enough of the 5 will be killed off that they lose the ability to bring anyone else back.
Hickman probably had plans for Synch that the current X-Office are following. If it makes you happy it will probably end with Synch and Old Laura fricking off to live happily ever after, like Hickman tried to do with Mr Fantastic, Cannonball, and Apocalypse.
How many Omega level mutants does Krakoa even have currently?
9 months ago
Anonymous
like 12 ish
Jean
Bobby
Magneto
Forge
Charles son (gone)
Protus and some of the 5 like Hope
Quentin (gone)
Storm (Mars)
9 months ago
Anonymous
different Anon, what happened to Apocalypse?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Also Mars I think, possibly also dead. I don't really follow the Arakko storyline.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He's in Amenth, but since his wife is now gonna wage a war on Arakko (Mars), he's probably gonna be in Mars soon, too.
like 12 ish
Jean
Bobby
Magneto
Forge
Charles son (gone)
Protus and some of the 5 like Hope
Quentin (gone)
Storm (Mars)
Mags is dead, Joseph is around in the Wanda book tho, apparently pretending to be Mags.
Quire is back as of the latest X-Force, but he's old and not sure what his deal will be moving forward.
Legion went off onto another dimension or something.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Joseph as in the clone? He's back?
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's a suspicious Magneto in the Scarlet Witch book. It's obvious it's Joseph but they haven't said it outright yet.
I mean, last we saw him, he got decapitated, now look at his neck.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Magneto is also dead unless he came back recently. The five are out of the picture since this book and Jean and Bobby died, so I guess it's just Forge now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Forge
are they really calling Forge an omega now? I mean, yeah, he's powers are stupidly op, but an actual omega level version of Forge would need to be like Forge's powers combined with Whiz Kid or Madison Jeffries' powers.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Omega just has to be the best person with that powerset
9 months ago
Anonymous
wasn't Forge the example of a powerful. mutant who was not an omega though? since tony a normal human is better than him
9 months ago
Anonymous
Forge isn’t an omega
9 months ago
Anonymous
So forget powers is that he can see mechanical stuff? Jeffries and Whiz kids power are basically reworking/rebuilding, reconstructing, deconstructing, etc etc with tech in anything they want?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Forge has the power to basically invent ANYTHING. Jeffries and Whiz Kid can simply create tech/manipulate objects to create but are limited to their own slightly above average intelligence. Forge just has to think of something and he can make it, so long as he has the resources. Think Rick Sanchez but more well adjusted and not a domestic abuser.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>can invent ANYTHING
like, say... an Anti-Nimrod?
9 months ago
Anonymous
He kinda tried that... it became Nimrod
9 months ago
Anonymous
ah, naturally.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's hilarious, even a machine created by a mutant came to the logical conclusion that mutants are a priority threat.
What happened here? I thought Iceman was now strong enough to freeze the whole planet and slow down time. Last time I saw Nimrod a normal team could beat him. He's like a Dragonball villain here.
The usual characters forgetting their powers. Several of them should be able to effortlessly solo the robot.
This is a correction of villain decay. Nimrod, as originally depicted, was unstoppable. The only way they were able to beat him the first time was to push him through a portal that erased all knowledge of himself and gave him an entirely different identity
9 months ago
Anonymous
He's fighting someone who can literally disable atomic activity. There's no counter for that. Yet instead we have hammer hands.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nimrod's whole thing is he can modify himself to be have a perfect counter for anything he's scanned. So given that he knew that he was going to fight Bobby, he probably had a very literal 'atomic activity disabler negator' module. You don't fight Nimrod with something he's seen before. It doesn't work. He's an end-game threat that wiped out all mutants in the future.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>atomic activity disabler negator' module
Anon, I want you to read what you just type in this post and reflect on it and tell why you don't deserve to get hit by a stapler.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Actually, how safe is it for Iceman to do that around a bunch of friendlies, powers or no? Nimrod attacked in a room full of what, for him, is a target rich environment and, for them, might have unacceptable collateral, like their infinite life hack team. Can any of them bring the fullest capacity of their power sets to bear without risking said collateral?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but Bobby also couldn't make it so cold time slows down back then. Instead of Nimrod showing he's got new tricks to deal with stronger mutants he just acts like a generic bruiser and everyone else acts like they don't know how to deal with him.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Nimrod, as originally depicted, was unstoppable
God I hate lazy "I'm just instantly magically immune to all your powers, no I don't have to explain how" villains. It's much interesting when they baddies are shown actually doing clever things to neutralized the heroes' powers, instead of just going "nuh-uh, I have my invincibility field on" like they're a 6 year old.
Even just silly techno babble like "reducing cooling systems to increase internal temps. Deploy magnesium flare burst in a delta pattern to counter ice structures. Target Omega-2 and arm thermite Flechette swarm device" would be better.
9 months ago
Anonymous
In fairness to the rest of the issue, we did actually see Orchis put in the work for every other part of their master plan, though it's dampened a bit because I think Krakoa kind of forget about Orchis for like a year.
Bobby should be able to come back to life as long as his consciousness isn’t trapped and water molecules still exist.
The previous version of Nimrod the X-Men barely beat was never at full health.
in the time's arrow book trilogy he brought down robots (that grew larger and stronger when they absorbed kinetic energy) by putting them at absolute zero and spider-man had to wait to punch and shatter them, and it still hurt his fists even after they were rapped up in a bunch of webs
writers don't know shit about any of their powers, or state that a character can terraform a planet and kill them off anyway because they like their stories to be arbitrary
>guy terraformed an entire planet >his first plan to deal with a big robot guy is by hitting him in the face with his fists, except they're icy maces
maybe he should have spent more time thinking about how to attack instead of thinking up that really shitty speech.
>they've got nano tech that they can secretly poison muties with to take away powers without anyone realising the tech is there
Why the FRICK wouldn't you use that on all mutants? Just cover Krakoa in a cloud of power-dampening nanites.
A gay moronic end to the worst status quo in X-Men history. Like yeah, they're really going to actually kill Jubilee or Dazzler or every single mutant for realsies. Frick why do this when you know it's being instantly reversed in some way? This is like Rosenberg going kill crazy because he knew it wouldn't matter. It's like Kamala's death. Why do any of this stupid shit when it ultimately means nothing because you obviously don't have the balls to even pretend to commit to it?
House of M was the worst thing to ever happen to the X-Men and I'd rather go back in time to brain Quesada with a cinder block to stop it instead of OMD.
Not like they aren't gonna ruin it, the current writers loath TAS. I doubt they are competent or good willed enough to do something good, even in a limited "Cable go back to the past to save everyone and it's back to X-Men being a team of hero living in the mansion" run.
Marvel doesn't like Jubilee. She was created by Claremont to replace Dazzler (who was only really treated badly under Harras, as post Morrison she's been regularly featured on and off in the various X-Books and only really shitted on by Bendis since then) and represents the early 90s period that Marvel in the 00s since Quesada took over, despises. And given the controversy over them firing her voice actress (a white woman), they won't want to give any major attention towards her; especially since a writer used Jubilee in a recent TAS spin-off to shit all over Krakoa via having Jubilee be in the Moira role of resetting the timeline.
>And given the controversy over them firing her voice actress
They didn't fire her. She's still in the show just not as Jubilee. Court tweeted before the show was even announced she didn't want to reprise Jubilee in a revival there's zero controversy. Especially since the show has no fricking hype behind it. No one even leaked the SDCC footage, we didn't even have a thread for the panel.
Yeah but still had some production details. They showed up at one of the X-Men panels and dropped a clip, jacked off Cyclops for being a great character and leader, and then Marvel did a podcast for the show afterwards as part of their SDCC press. None of it really got any attention. The hype for this show is practically non-existent.
I'm not up to date, why are these deaths considered permanent? Did Nimrod frick the cloning shit up or something? Or was it already out of commission? Coulda sworn I saw Kamala just used it.
The 5 bailed because of Exodus saving them and a group of mutant with Charles resist power jumped away somewhere else, all other mutants got walked through the portals to wherever Orchis wants
Kamala used it before the gala. Nearly all mutants are "killed" during the gala by Chuck sending them trough gates that lead into a "meat grinder". They're obviously still alive, but out of the books for the moment.
I mean just there I see Jublee, Dazzler and Cannonball getting killed. I feel like they are more popular ones.
Deaths:
All humans attending the Gala except Kingpin.
Frenzy
Prodigy
Multiple Man dupes
Jubilee
Dazzler
Cannonball
Jean Grey
Iceman
Lourdes Chantel (Shaw ex-wife)
Background mutants
Then only mostly senior X-Men escaped with Kingpin. All other mutants including the Five, who resurrect mutants, were captured.
I wish they had gone a little easier on the death toll, so there was at least a tiny believable chance that everything isn't getting reset by the end. Instead they went all out on the "shocking deaths" and now I can't give a shit because it's clearly going to get undone and most of them brought back to life sooner or later.
Also just retconning Ms Marvel with "turns out she was always a mutant" was a lame as frick cop out.
That's the problem with Krakoa. From the word go the entire thing basically insults the reader's ability to suspend disbelief. You knew it wasn't lasting, none of the retcons to make it work made sense, and you know that all the characters aren't staying dead. Krakoa exists as basically one continuous diarrhea shit on the concept of change which is probably why everything has a "none of this matters" feeling.
The writers don't care one bit about making the reader believe anything that's happened over the last four years is sticking and they don't care about making you think this will either much as they didn't care about making people believe Kamala was dying for real. It's openly insulting not just the readers' attempts to engage with the story but the idea that anything that happens actually means something. Why should the reader care about any of this when the writers are practically rolling their eyes and doing jerk off motions?
Krakoa should be a a two year long (at max) story arc that was kept away from the rest of the MU, and that ended with Moria's final death, which gets used as an excuse to reset things back to a state that undid all the damage Marvel, (also Bendis) did to the franchise while they were pissed over not having the movie rights.
It could have been a fun, interesting alt universe story that came and went before it got tiresome, just like Age of Apocalypse. But nah, for some reason it turned into a never ending terminal cancer that got worse and more cluttered with every issue.
>mutants have been dying and get brought back for years like it's nothing >even before this death was a joke for mutants >OH WOW LOOK AT ALL THESE DEAD MUTANTS
they didn't come back as often as you think. pyro was dead and out of x-men books for nearly twenty years, same with other c and d listers. sure, a character like rogue will get ressurected sooner rather than later, but anyone outside that core team? good luck.
What are you talking about? The point is that the deaths are pointless and only done for shock value but it's hard to even be shocked when death lost meaning for mutants decades ago and is even more trivial these years.
It's weird how dumb arm candy Laura is the OG Laura, Synch must have some ability to put him over the edge sex wise to have Laura playing kitten to him.
I was mostly just joking, but you know perfectly it's a BMWF thing, worst part is the "hundred years long love" bullshit to push it as the one true love. Well no, worst part is that it's the TRUE Laura and she's reduced to arm candy. I have legit no idea what where they thinking.
looks like
Hellion - Just Kiss
Teen Scoot - Just Hug
Teen Angel - Fug and everything else
Synch - Cold shoulder 100 years then 200 years of Blacked
Wingbat - lol
>Wingbat
Litteraly who ??? >Check it
Oh lmao it's a self insert OC isn't it ? Well, sound like someone got the qualification to writte for Marvel, hire him.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He at least would be good with consistency of her character, I would put up with him lewding her for this
9 months ago
Anonymous
I have no idea who's behind that. Is this a rabbit hole
9 months ago
Anonymous
He is some guy who spent $$$ on rule 34 pics and fanfics of his self insert, you can find his name on rule34.com and on hentai foundry and a03
Look like she's doing a bit more than hugging scott here lmao.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Cover bait and switch, she only got a hug from him and planned on jumping his bones, then his dad showed up and he left Earth leaving her dejected, Warren showed up and she was like frick off but he persisted.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Laura relationships are a mess lmao, I still remember the Hellion thing, but the problem was more the issue shitting on Hellion out of nowhere >Hellion is depressed by his life coming appart, his fricking arms being blown off >Laura show up, tell him he is a mess, he rant on how he feel abandonned and blow up some random shit, Laura leave after he start oppening up >Go after her and grab her arm to hold her back, Gambit get a pure schyzo moment and tell him he will blow his legs to match his arms if he grab Laura again (seriously WTF ?) >Apparently we are supposed to believe Helion is abusive >Latter do some adventure with Laura to save Reed kids and they warm up somewhat, guy outright ask if she giving him the cold shower because she find his metal arms disgusting, she deny and say she does care about him, but that she didn't abandon him >Save the kids, sweet moment, talk latter, kiss in the rain, then Laura tell him they wont see each other again without explaining, he get pissed off, tell her she dosn't care about anyone, get told she just dosn't care about him >ACTUALLY it's a fakeout and she admit to Gambit latter she does like him (and so is repelling him in fear of...close relationship?) >This never get anywhere because Utopia lol
Actually now that I think about it, Laura sharring experience with a guy who feel guilty but divided over doing bad stuff and helping out of depression from body trauma while repelling him because she fear being TOO open about her own trauma would have been pretty good. Certainly much better than becoming PDL israeliteelery.
Also about that Helion arc, still lmao about Scott and Rogue of all people just putting a "bad apple" on some angry teenager who got his arms cut off.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Laura was a fish out of water but had a crush on pretty boy Hellion who was a jerk, he lost his hands and grew a little but she moved on.
She works well with Scott but he was pulled away, the girl needs some dick though and Bobby is gay so Warren it is then.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's the moronic thing, the issue where she "break up" with Hellion has her telling Gambit litteraly the page after that she lied and still feel for him. It's just put under the rugg.
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lol did miss that, from where is that ? Is there any follow up ?
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's a fan page.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well I'm sligtly disapointed, but thanks you for sharing anyway anon. It's cute. Even if I prefer Hellion with the psy arms
Calling Laura arm candy seems reductive, if you've been reading the current X-Men run. She's gotten her fair share of attention since her rescue. The personality change comes from her having spent spent centuries inside the Vault with Synch. He came out completely different too.
She kinda is, the Vault thing entire purpose was making her "Synch true love" and not much else. But I'm willing to listen about how post vault Laura "Talon" was good development.
Being a milf IS good development.
We now have two Laura’s for the place of one.
They both are a good contrast to one another. You can see the juxtaposition and have they each turned out in their lives.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I fail to see how artificially aging a character to dump her as the arm candy of one of the most forced recent mutant (let's not pretend people gave a frick about Synch before he came back) is good, but whatever rock your boat I guess.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I fail to see how artificially aging a character to dump her as the arm candy of one of the most forced recent mutant (let's not pretend people gave a frick about Synch before he came back) is good, but whatever rock your boat I guess.
Also having two Laura isn't good, make the character evolve or don't, this "Yeah she's completly different and might as well be someone else now but don't worry there is a clone of exactly the version she was before too" is shit
There are two Laura’s remember.
Milf one is getting blacked constantly and living her best life.
The young one is sexually frustrated and is in X-Force.
That was clear from the start. But the idea is that everyone reading this is suppose to be demoralized, nihilistic atheist that literally cant see any meaningful difference between an actual body and soul resurrection and just making a clone with downloaded memories.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You sound fun. What makes this any different from all other resurrection methods used in comics? Is it fine by your standards if they reuse the old body? Did you drop Star Trek after they first used the transporter?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Did you drop Star Trek after they first used the transporter?
And frankly it would be interesting to occasionally see some alien races in Star Trek that are genuinely disgusted by the idea of transporters because the very concept seriously conflicts with their cultural beliefs.
But yeah, there is a difference. For instance, Dr Strange's recent resurrection clearly involved his soul since it was a whole thing about him doing a task for Death in return for getting to come back. Meanwhile Tony Stark's last death had him explicitly come back as a clone with copied memories and never pretended to be anything else but that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, it's fine if the writers go there, and could be really interesting, but I don't understand why people here are pretending they can't enjoy a character anymore because the original died and it's now a clone. They're the same in every way.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Think of it this way, if it's the exact same character in every single way with no changes whatsoever, then what was the point of killing them off to begin with? Remember how much everyone rolled their eyes when Kamala Khan got ganked because they knew they'd bring her back as a mutant, and it took less than three months to be proven true?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Killing Kamala was Indeed pointless, but what they're doing wit Krakoa (showing a society that has conquered death) is potentially interesting. I don't think Marvel handled it perfectly (or even really explored the ramifications), but the idea is nice.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not really. Death was considered a joke to begin with for the X-men, so all that they did was turn the subtext of how the X-men aren't allowed to die for the sake of marketing into actual text. Hell, as someone who's friends with people who struggle with suicidal thoughts, seeing the X-men obsess over the act of violently committing sudoku as either a gateway to power or as a joke was kind of disgusting to read.
That, and homosexual Superior didn't conquer death, homosexual Supreme did. Decades before Krakoa.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>but what they're doing wit Krakoa (showing a society that has conquered death) is potentially interesting.
It isn't, because death hasn't meant anything in Marvel, doubly so for the X-Men, so there's nothing to discover because the fifth incarnation of Iron Man is talking to the eighth incarnation of Rick Jones, while the tenth incarnation of the Earth's population brought back from a universal wipe are functioning like nothing happened, so we've already seen a society that deals with it, and it's that nobody seems to give a shit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
homie marvel writters would struggle writting decent episodic, what make you think their take on "post death society" could be anything vaguely worth reading ?
9 months ago
Anonymous
they didn't even bother to come up with a reason for why she's mutant now. It was just "lol, turns out she always was one, and that darn terrigon mist was hiding it the whole time"
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It was just "lol, turns out she always was one,
I mean that's how it works. You're born with an x-gene, it activates eventually.
Are you implying Peter being a forever looser with no money locked in a eternal of living with May and loosing any significant relationship is good ?
If you want stories that end, read a creator-owned book. If you're tired of Marvel, stop reading Marvel.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That argument dosn't work when stuff like Spidergirl HAD Peter grow up and change without "ending the story"
No need to play defense force for complete hacks. The point we are today was reached after years of nepotism and cost cutting
9 months ago
Anonymous
>That argument dosn't work when stuff like Spidergirl HAD Peter grow up and change without "ending the story"
Hadn't he literally retired?
9 months ago
Anonymous
At the start, but he come to help and form his daughter as his successor.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Spider-Girl was an AU where Peter was a middle aged man. It was also one of Marvel's lowest sellers and cancelled multiple times, only saved because its dedicated fanbase would flood Marvel with tens of thousands of physical letters to get them to uncancel it. A situation like that could never be canon. People want a relatively young Peter Parker active as Spider-Man.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The only people who wants a young peter parker are the editors, who these days are jaded gays on permanent middle age crisis.
When the old writers were made men with families.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They've had Death itself confirm that the souls are going into the cloned bodies. But with Laura, her original soul would be in her original body and the new Laura is a clone with a brand new soul.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This also Falls into Mephisto's territory and the theory that charles made a deal with him to get krakkoa and all we got now is the result of Mephisto's wish now that he is back ruling hell.
That was clear from the start. But the idea is that everyone reading this is suppose to be demoralized, nihilistic atheist that literally cant see any meaningful difference between an actual body and soul resurrection and just making a clone with downloaded memories.
It's iffy. Clones in marvel have their own souls and that one time nightcrawler died you got to see basically his soul/consciousness traveling through the afterlife (he met ghost rider banshee or whatever on the way) into his new krakoa made body, which suggests still the same person/soul in there. Idk what this means for Laura though, best guess is that Talon is og Laura and wolverine is a(nother) clone
9 months ago
Anonymous
The other, more important issue, is idea that it was completely consequence-free resurrection. In comics, there's always been a chance that someone brought back from the dead will have missing memories, maybe a lost soul, someone impersonating them, just SOMETHING that gives some room for doubt. Even in the case of Spider-Man where they outright confirmed all the clones had souls, Ben Reilly had to learn the fact that he'd been brought back enough times in such quick succession that his own core personality was eroding from damage to the soul. That's the kind of thing that people grew skeptical of regarding the X-men's resurrection, because it's like magic in that cloning/resurrection was never considered free, and that there was always a snag.
Which is why it's funny as hell to see the writers doubling down so hard on it to the point they dragged Scarlet Witch into shit and outright made a separate mutant afterlife in the desperate hopes that it'd shut up critics who was certain it couldn't be as straightforward as the readers were told, only for the two Lauras thing to happen and start it up all over again.
Has any version of Blink shown up at all during the Krakoa arc? Or has she literally spent the whole thing stuck on the resurrections back log that keeps getting pushed further and further back because of line jumpers.
Honestly, I'm just really looking forward to things, this is my first extinction level event where I'm actively following the X-Men storyline, was this the same sentiment during the time of Genosha and Decimation? IvX and the Terrigen Crap was so bad so I'm not counting tat.
The sliding timescale really fricks those up because it there definitely haven't been three in-universe years between them so the scheduling for them must come across as completely arbitrary to Marvel citizens
Yaaay, years of world building and character development crudely and hamfistedly hacked down to return to status quo for the fourth time...No wonder manga is eclipsing western comics so badly.
>any given character is now a bawd screaming for troony rights >character development >"world building" was a bunch of copies of copies and more generic monster muties
VGH, THE GLORIOVS KRAKOAN AGE!
>to return to status quo for the fourth time
Anon, the last time the X men were in a state that could actually be called "Status Quo" was all the way back in 2005 before House of M.
it more the Marvel writers really can't do those kind of Systemic society driving type of stories even writers that are much more system driving like Hickman swept a lot of things under the rug to get Krakoa going only to ignore certain massive. questions.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The truth is here, X-Office writter problem (and it's the case with marvel writters in general) is that they loathe the codes and classic story beats and want to do something """new""" and innovative and defining, but simply aren't good enough as writters. The culture war shit exist and dosn't help, but at the core it's mediocre writters with big ego seething at more loved work
Never would have happened, either. I've tried reading the books, and it's obvious from how the X-men pretty much suck at business talk, diplomacy that is more involved than "We give you this macguffin in exchange for you letting us do whatever we want", writing PR that practically jerks itself off via humble bragging, and the lack of any actual look into their country that the writers couldn't care less about putting together the actual functions of Krakoa. Based on shit like X-men Red and Immortal X-men, they're all more into the interpersonal drama between the elite players on Krakoa ala Game of Thrones or Sex and the City. That by itself isn't bad, since overwrought drama and clashing of ideology/philosophy is the X-men's bread and butter, but the fact that it's the ONLY thing that the writers have delivered on in the last four years does not speak to their ability to actually make Krakoa a convincingly functional country even if you gave them ten more years. Hell, the times we actually get to see them write anything that isn't from the perspective of the elite aka the X-men is limited to the chart pages, and even then it's like 1 in like a thousand of those.
>Mutant separatism is bad >Which is why I deliberately avoided recruiting non-mutants at all opportunities in all my efforts even though they would have been useful as frick for every endeavor I've ever undertaken
Shut up, Chuck.
I'm just saying current canon is he created the X-Men to police mutantkind and he only staffed the X-Men with mutants so that suggests both that he viewed mutants both as a separate threat from the rest of humanity and one which had to only be addressed by mutants. And Juggernaut and Deadpool occasionally.
Xavier has ALWAYS been a separatist and that is the fundamental problem with the fricking franchise. Literally the only time he wasn't is when the school took in exchange students and they had that one human student in a wheelchair that's never been brought up again.
If the series *actually* focused on integration, it'd solve a lot of the fricking rot it's had over the decades, but then they'd need to come up with a new plot other than separatist island gets genocided.
>he only staffed the X-Men with mutants
Well yeah, you wouldn't send normal people to fight mutants. His human allies had noncombat roles.
When Claremont wrote the title they offered membership to Carol who went ballistic and left when she saw Rogue was on the team.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Well yeah, you wouldn't send normal people to fight mutants.
There's no shortage of powered humans that can do the job, plenty more powerful than mutants, and more that would willing to help, so why not?
9 months ago
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They asked Spider-Man and he told them to frick off.
9 months ago
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Was this before or after they found out that Spider-Man wasn't a mutant and they lost their shit at the revelation?
9 months ago
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This was their first meeting. Xavier had Cerebro he would have known if he was a mutant or not. They also offered membership to the Mimic even though they knew he got his powers from a lab experiment.
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Mimic is allowed on Krakoa
9 months ago
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they retconned Mimic into a mutant
9 months ago
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When was this? Last I remember seeing him was in X-Men Legacy during the Schism era, and he was firmly established to not be a mutant, because giving Weapon Omega (who feeds on Mutant energy) his energy made Weapon Omega unstable and eventually turned him into a living bomb.
I'm sure retcons may have happened since then, but that's the last I saw him.
9 months ago
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It was in a data page from HoXPoX where they explained how resurrection worked. Weapon Omega is one of those mutants I would have liked to see on Krakoa.
9 months ago
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hmm. Yeah, it says "mutants such as Sync or Mimic" in regards to replicating the powers of the Five to help in the resurrection process.
Still, he's not supposed to be one, though he theoretically could mimic those powers. Call me obstinate but I'll chalk it up to wonky wording rather than him getting retconned into a proper mutant.
9 months ago
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Probably got retconned just because Hickman was setting up that thing about gestalt clones with multiple powers as being this huge deal that took sinister ages to figure out how to create. Mimic' old origin would have clashed with that.
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This was their first meeting. Xavier had Cerebro he would have known if he was a mutant or not. They also offered membership to the Mimic even though they knew he got his powers from a lab experiment.
Honestly I don't see why the X-men in their best day would not welcome other super powered "freak" who want to do good and need a place to call home.
9 months ago
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Because they are racist
9 months ago
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>Longshot is extranged from his familly because Krakoa dosn't allow non-mutant
Dam. Didn't expect Marvel would have the balls to show how those communities often have great racial hatred themselve. Bold and brave.
9 months ago
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Bloody hell, I'm pretty sure when magneto tried to set up his own various attempts at mutant segregation even he was usually shown as being willing to let family members of mutants come live there as well.
9 months ago
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Human spouses can get Krakoa citizenship, Northstar's husband and Kingpin both did this. Dazzler just doesn't care enough about her estranged husband right now.
9 months ago
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Now dazzler is half of the mutie woman she was
9 months ago
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For an island that's always being targeted, you would think that they want as many Luck-based superhumans on it as possible.
9 months ago
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Dazzler and Longshot breaking because "Muuuh amnesia" was so fricking shit.
9 months ago
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There was also the "miscarried" baby.
9 months ago
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What a shiteating grin, always like that fricker, he's a eternal brat.
9 months ago
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Well, he was getting lucky.
9 months ago
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They did, his name was Longshot.
9 months ago
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Didn't they believe he was a mutant at first ? But yes it's true. To bad Dazzler isn't with him anymore and he never showed up on Krakoa.
9 months ago
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So like how Magnito tried to recruit Electro despite him not having the X-Gene.
lmao how's it feel? Garbage like this current run exists BECAUSE Marvel kept hiring on morons who didn't respect canon, established character's personalities and histories, or world building. If they didn't respect the old stories and developments, why should they respect yours?
>Death is meaningless in the Marvel universe
Being a capeshit character has to be some modern layer of hell, where you're constantly tortured and killed by a bunch of fricked up balding 40-something writers.
It's literally impossible to give a shit about the X-Men with this crap. Oh boy they got genocided again, that only happens every other year. I'm sure things will be different this time.
Eh, while I am enjoying this era, if it comes back I want it to be much more closely explored. Then again, Marvel has a bad track record with that, since I'm pretty sure Atlantis and Wakanda experience a major cultural change in between each appearance.
Fall of X will stretch for at least another 6 months. We may get an actual reset after the next round of minis completes. But I'm looking forward to Dark X-Men and Children of the Vault.
That's the worst part. There are no orgies, there never were. Maybe Scott and Logan had a threesome with Jean but that clearly didn't last. And everyone else is either in committed relationships or one night stands.
Hell, they're still so culturally in-tune with humanity that Storm hasn't brought back her nudist tendencies.
The gala itself:
Cannonball, Dazzler, Prodigy, Frenzy, Jubilee, unkown mutant(only upper half seen), Jean, Lourdes, along with 64 unknown humans (counted from the number of extras in the background in a few pages. Total:73 people dead.
Mutants who disappeared:250,000.
I do have to wonder how the hell Orchis will explain this shit. Also you have to think about families, because yes, I'm one of those buttholes who use fridge logic.
They framed Krakoa for the dead humans by telling the world via their media contacts that the human guests/dignitaries confronted Xavier over how Krakoa was selling tainted medicine to kill humans with at a later date and Xavier murdered them all and ordered an evacuation of all mutants once his "scheme" was outed to the world.
Hence why Emma is now a wanted fugitive in Iron Man.
Legit can't believe they're going with such an obvious bullshit lie. Then again, the drugs were such a stupid macguffin to begin with (just how much did Xavier have to bribe the FDA with to push this shit) that I'll take any excuse to be done with them
she's apparently where ever the other evacuees went to instead of mars. And I'd assume her powers will stay off line just long enough to have what ever story they have planned for how that group gets back to earth.
I'm assuming all the mutants got teleported to the Atlantic Krakoa island, which we see Mother Righteous stick in one of her magical snow globes as part of her deal with Orchis to help, "kill all the mutants."
She's probably playing the long game and trying to get on their good side, in the hopes that Legion and co. don't come back from whatever higher plane of existance they ascended to a few issues ago (she tried to kill him, it didn't work.)
>She's probably playing the long game and trying to get on their good side, in the hopes that Legion and co. don't come back from whatever higher plane of existance they ascended to a few issues ago (she tried to kill him, it didn't work.)
She wanted Legion back because he thanked her which put him under her control. Writing himself out of existence again was the only way he could escape that fate. If she saved them it all, it was purely so they would all thank her and give her even more power.
It's funny how completely Hope ditched her original five... Were they ever really her friends?
Also even looking back at the Lights through the lens of mutant circuits, I can't for the life of me discern what all of them together could actually accomplish.
>It's funny how completely Hope ditched her original five... Were they ever really her friends?
It's probably a case of the writter not liking them and conveniently doing away with them, character relation be damned
writers only give a shit about her because of her relationship to cable and keep the plot armor for cyclops being right, so long as they never mention cyclops willing to kill bishop and so long as writers never mention the story decision making bishop become a villain that napalms all of south america just to so cyclops can be right and beast be wrong for not wanting to kill bishop.
it's a pretty established thing that anything involving the sentinels always ends with the humans getting screwed over too. Even the start of the whole krakoa arc showed that the last few humans alive will end up being kept in a zoo in the "Nimrod Wins" timeline, and presumably are destroyed when the machines finally ascend into a World Mind.
I feel like Jean might think she's dead dead, maybe that dagger Moira used super kills mutants or something, felt like they were emphasizing it for a reason
Unironically she is back to life somehow, which means that or she got a spare body or She will possess Madeleine, and unironically leading to the Spider Goblin incident with peter
Jean brainwashed everyone into thinking Firestar was a mole feeding intel to ORCHIS to save her life and give the X-Men a mole, but now everyone hates her.
I don't know about you, but watching these wienersuckers getting beaten down and killed is cathartic. It's too much to hope the Muties cease to exist as an entity alltogether, but them getting divided and removed from the political landscape is a nice consolation prize.
>omega omega omega omega omega
What the hell is the infatuation with this shit? The reason why we have a bunch of people b***hing about Nimrod BTFO'ing everybody is because power creep has gotten fricking ridiculous over the decades and the original appearance of Nimrod almost casually wiping out mutants seems relatively tame in comparison. >Iceman can make ice bridges >can freeze things with a blast >is still vulnerable to heat >UM ACTUALLY IT TURNS OUT THAT HE CAN TURN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE INTO A POPSICLE, HE JUST WASN'T TRYING HARD ENOUGH
It's shonen shit at this point.
>picking one of the few characters where this is actually a long-term thing and not the bakers dozen just handed the title for krakoashit
Bobby's total bullshit has been inconsistently around for ages.
Bobby deserves to be the big mutant powerhouse slapping around the Arakii instead of Ororo. Frick Bendis for turning him into a gay so all his stories just get to be about that.
Bobby not living up to his potential has been a minor plot point since the 80’s.
>picking one of the few characters where this is actually a long-term thing and not the bakers dozen just handed the title for krakoashit
Bobby's total bullshit has been inconsistently around for ages.
Huge difference between "realizing your potential" and being able to more competently use your powers and abilities and "oops, I sneezed and brought the Earth into the Ice Age :)" levels of bullshit. That's what I'm talking about power creep especially being largely responsible for shit like villain decay, and why Nimrod looking like a Nimrod but somehow being treated as a massive threat is so dissonant. It's the same shit as Spider-Man being able to punch off Scorpion's jaw because of "oh man, he was only using 10% of his power" writing, they went too far and moronic with it.
Not even shitposting, the whole thing looks like a world where pride month celebration is both mandatory and goes around all year long. Who is that for?
Does anyone else gate that whenever a Mutant safe haven is created "Genosha, Providence, Utopia, Krakoa," it must inevitably be destroyed or taken down?
It's like mutants aren't every allowed to be happy or win and when they do it's always
A. Temporary
B. When they are "anti heroic "
Why can't we have Mutants having a thriving successful culture while being portrayed as unambiguously heroic?
Hickman planned on tearing it all down a while ago but Marvel wanted it to continue for much longer. It was never meant to last. Mutants are always supposed to struggle and be hated.
Let's be frank, because that shit is boring long-term to Marvel. How many times you think Tony Stark's been allowed to just keep his company without any issues? Or Peter Parker's been allowed to have something resembling a stable life? Or Captain America's been allowed to sincerely believe in his place in American society without worrying how much of a fossil he is or how decadent the world's become? Or Bruce Banner is allowed to go into seclusion so nobody would have to worry about another Hulk rampage? If the X-men just had a place where they could just camp out and never have to fear for their safety ever again, nobody would give a shit about their cries of being persecuted and hated, they already have a place where they can be happy away from the normies that despise them.
And before you go "But can't the X-men leave their safe haven to just go help people out of the goodness of their hearts", they've been doing that already. And their books still suck. Even more so because they keep talking about the poor pitiful humans the way first worlders vacationing talk down to third worlders about how they're clearly suffering living in their crap shacks and not having krakoan pumpkin spice lattes or whatever.
TL;DR Marvel doesn't do happy cause happy doesn't sell
Nope, but that's Marvel's logic for why they don't bite the bullet and just give him a stable status quo to at least make his suffering actually mean something. Misery = sales.
The Lemire run that shat on the Bendis run by exiling mutants to Limbo and having humans hate them like foaming at the mouth maniacs for no reason, the X-Men vs Inhumans debacle, Rosenberg's misery run before Hickman, nobody liked that fricking garbage and it tanked the line.
Let's be frank, because that shit is boring long-term to Marvel. How many times you think Tony Stark's been allowed to just keep his company without any issues? Or Peter Parker's been allowed to have something resembling a stable life? Or Captain America's been allowed to sincerely believe in his place in American society without worrying how much of a fossil he is or how decadent the world's become? Or Bruce Banner is allowed to go into seclusion so nobody would have to worry about another Hulk rampage? If the X-men just had a place where they could just camp out and never have to fear for their safety ever again, nobody would give a shit about their cries of being persecuted and hated, they already have a place where they can be happy away from the normies that despise them.
And before you go "But can't the X-men leave their safe haven to just go help people out of the goodness of their hearts", they've been doing that already. And their books still suck. Even more so because they keep talking about the poor pitiful humans the way first worlders vacationing talk down to third worlders about how they're clearly suffering living in their crap shacks and not having krakoan pumpkin spice lattes or whatever.
TL;DR Marvel doesn't do happy cause happy doesn't sell
There needs to be a balance of good times to bad. Recent Marvel is moronic and doesn't understand that people want a Spiderman that loses some AND wins some (in personal life and super fights), instead of just being an unlikable, eternally shit upon sad sack. Or god help us, that fricking Spiderverse crap that literally said that the entire fabric of reality is apparently built around Spiderman and the people he know having shitty lives
I like how the convo shifts to Peter solely when every other hero has it just as bad or even worse
You're expecting far too much of the writers, considering Hickman's big status quo shifting change that everyone ate up with a shovel was reusing Genosha/Providence/Utopia but giving the X-men plot armor for a few years.
He also made them team up with all the villains and not just Magneto because he loves it when superheroes are morally compromised, like in the lead-up to Secret Wars.
There needs to be a balance of good times to bad. Recent Marvel is moronic and doesn't understand that people want a Spiderman that loses some AND wins some (in personal life and super fights), instead of just being an unlikable, eternally shit upon sad sack. Or god help us, that fricking Spiderverse crap that literally said that the entire fabric of reality is apparently built around Spiderman and the people he know having shitty lives
>Mutant safe haven >Genosha
Even at its peak, this one time all mutants on Earth got depowered, it broke into civil war. Later on Magneto decided to go nuts and use the mutants to declare war or something. Guess it was always uneasy at best.
Also, the Xavier manor was also a supposed safe haven, and Asteroid M, etc...
>Why can't we have Mutants having a thriving successful culture while being portrayed as unambiguously heroic?
They're really just humans fromall over the world with extra powers. A "culture" never made sense.
>They're really just humans fromall over the world with extra powers. A "culture" never made sense.
This is especially egregious, because there's no reason for anyone from such disparate cultures to just drop everything they grew up into for the sake of "mutant solidarity" or whatever. Israeli and Palestinian mutants still would have beef, racial supremacists of all stripes will carry on their shit against each other, because even if they're still muties, they're still white/black/asian/etc. muties that hate any race that isn't theirs, not to mention all of them would be carrying the baggage of their own native cultures, so especially conservative mutants could look at the shit going on in Krakoa with disgust.
It was as dumb as that Back to Wakanda thing they had going on in Sam's Captain America book, because there's no connecting identity with black Americans and Wakandans aside from the fact that they share ancestry on the same frickhueg continent, and Wakandans were established xenophobic buttholes that already want little to do with other sub-Saharan Africans, much less offshoots from a whole ocean away.
least the Back to wakanda stuff works better as political allegory for the back to africa movement and economic migration than Krakoa does with Ethnonationalism
It's not that I'm ignorant of the allegory, the main issue with the Back to Wakanda movement is that Wakanda is notoriously xenophobic, even when T'Challa was in charge and trying to relax those sentiments. It is the fact that the idea that a bunch of American mixed-blood blacks with ancestry tied to non-Wakandan African cultures could dare insert themselves so casually should have been way too much for even the most progressive Wakandans to consider.
>there's no connecting identity with black Americans and Wakandans
You may be more right than you know. One of the plot points in the early Black Panther comics was that T'Challa brings an american black girlfriend and she's received with a degree of prejudice.
Of course modern Marvel wouldn't lean into that, specially the MCU lol. >Wakandans were established xenophobic buttholes that already want little to do with other sub-Saharan Africans
That doesn't make them buttholes, at least they weren't warring with other tribes and taking slaves or using child soldiers like several of them. If that's a thing in Marvel, anyway.
that was in Jungle Action were Wakanda was allowed to be backwards and technologically regressive thanks to being an isolationist nation that had only recently come out of it's self imposed isolation with modern/futurist tech being only a recent that T'challa brought to the country like meiji era japan
For example, people of any race and nationality can be queer but they still come together under the banner of pride. Sure there are going to be internal tensions between queer people of different backgrounds but there is still that common cause.
Same for class solidarity in labor unions . Or multiracial disability rights groups.
Or hell , religions. At various points in time faiths have openly accepted people of various backgrounds under a common banner. (This was actually a big debate in Early Christianity)
Tldr: The real world has multiple examples of cultures/organizations/movements where the people are made up of different nationalities and races.
>You're ignoring intersectionalism
No, I'm not. There's intersectional shit going on, but this is an extreme case that was never covered in any meaningful way. >For example, people of any race and nationality can be queer but they still come together under the banner of pride. Sure there are going to be internal tensions between queer people of different backgrounds but there is still that common cause.
Oh please, even under the pretense of LGBT pride, there are still plenty of people within those groups that hate each other, gays that hate lesbians, lesbians that hate gays, both hating bisexuals, and not a small amount of all of them being intolerant or discomforted with the new kid in the group, transsexuals. >Same for class solidarity in labor unions
Plenty of labor unions were notoriously racist. Companies were hiring black and foreign workers in an attempt to offset strikes, and plenty got beaten and killed for it. >Or multiracial disability rights groups.
Oh boy, let's not get into the "my disability is not a disability and it shouldn't be treated as such" subgroups. >Or hell , religions. At various points in time faiths have openly accepted people of various backgrounds under a common banner.
Ignoring the various points in time where religions have brought people AGAINST each other in a super violent fashion. >The real world has multiple examples of cultures/organizations/movements where the people are made up of different nationalities and races.
Usually after periods of great disunity, war, and violence, and even then it was never ever a guarantee. The biggest issue with Krakoa is that those different people took to it like it was nothing. Hell, not even counting preexisting conflicts, some of the biggest divides should have come from mutants who had no powers, those with shit powers, those with good powers, along with those who passed for regular humans, those who looked like Star Trek aliens, and those that looked like Star Wars aliens.
I agree that tension within multiracial and ethnic social movements and groups exist. I literally brought up an example from early Christianity.
I am arguing against the claim that a multiethnic and multinational group existing at all in the first place is unrealistic.
The fact that the intersectional tension hasn't shown up in X-Men I think is a product of the fact that, despite being about minorities, most X-Men books are written by white men with little to no direct connection to being an opressed group.
I don't think it is a coincidence that the two writers who injected the most on-point stories about mutants being opressed were israeli and non-binary.
I wish Dwayne McDuffie was alive, I think his take on X-Men would be pretty kino .
Intersectionalism is bullshit of the highest order and used to keep down the actual oppressed IE the working class and keep marginalized groups from being able to get rid of the toxic elements supported by the elites who want to legalize pedophilia, make it legal to discriminate against white men, and kill gays.
Intersectionalism leads to shit like women/lesbians being forced to submit sexually to trans incels, white men being banned from work in favor of incompetent people of color/women who end up getting people killed, pedophiles getting away with their crimes/promoting their perversions in public, and working class people being told their suffering "isn't real" and being told "learn to code" when the elites decide to destroy their lives by shutting down industries that employ working class folk. Oh and giving Muslims card blanch to murder gay people in the Middle East.
I guess I just find something very unsettling about the overall message of X-Men being
"The opressed will always be opressed, there is no end to your suffering, you can never have peace or even incremental gains, and even if you did you would be evil for doing so and it will all be taken away from you."
Like Mutants are supposed to be Marvel's minority metaphor but they haven't had something as basic as a Civil Rights Act, or Roe v Wade or Brown vs the Board of Education or Loving vs Virginia or Obergefell vs Hodges or a 14th Amendment moment. It can't ALL be doom and gloom. Even Suffering-Man had a happy marriage for a while.
Part of the problem is that in the Marvel universe it's already a legal quagmire deciding where your average superhero lies in terms of "superhuman", let alone something like the x-gene mutation that's in every single person just with a deviation in whether it's activated or not. And it's not like the X-men themselves really tried to speak in their own defense publicly, the only real spokesperson they had was Xavier whose defenses amounted to "Now, I'm totally not a mutant, cause we all know mutants are just a theory, BUT IF THEY WERE A THING..."
Ironically, Reed Richards did far more for mutant rights than the X-men ever did when he opposed Congress in opening up a Superhuman Registration Act by demonstrating that the law's inability to properly define what a superhuman is could only lead to a lot more harm than good, particularly since he was able to provide a reasonable definition and subsequently nail several congressmen as "superhuman" by fulfilling the conditions of that definition. So if they had worked to get more actual superheroes on their side willing to hit the books in their defense, the X-men probably would already be living in a world that at least TOLERATED mutants if not outright accepted them by now.
>et alone something like the x-gene mutation that's in every single person
It's not as of AXE.
>Ironically, Reed Richards did far more for mutant rights than the X-men ever did
Reed coexisted with the mutant registration act for years and was on the side of the state during the SRA. No.
Yes, you wanker, and everyone was questioning the frick out of why Reed of all people would do a complete 180 on his position when Civil War came about, but we know that when it comes to Mark Millar he could care less about continuity or logic if he's got a issue he wants to wank
Part of the problem is that in the Marvel universe it's already a legal quagmire deciding where your average superhero lies in terms of "superhuman", let alone something like the x-gene mutation that's in every single person just with a deviation in whether it's activated or not. And it's not like the X-men themselves really tried to speak in their own defense publicly, the only real spokesperson they had was Xavier whose defenses amounted to "Now, I'm totally not a mutant, cause we all know mutants are just a theory, BUT IF THEY WERE A THING..."
Ironically, Reed Richards did far more for mutant rights than the X-men ever did when he opposed Congress in opening up a Superhuman Registration Act by demonstrating that the law's inability to properly define what a superhuman is could only lead to a lot more harm than good, particularly since he was able to provide a reasonable definition and subsequently nail several congressmen as "superhuman" by fulfilling the conditions of that definition. So if they had worked to get more actual superheroes on their side willing to hit the books in their defense, the X-men probably would already be living in a world that at least TOLERATED mutants if not outright accepted them by now.
Actually it's not even before that wasn't it? They had to test people in Genosha precisely because not everyone had inactive x-genes.
I don't know where people get this EVERYONE HAS AN X-GENE bullshit. They don't.
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Much as I'd love to be a little shit to point out that everyone does have an x-gene, I'm pretty sure that the main thing is that it's been pounded in by decades of Sentinels and Cerebro brainscans of how essentially every modern man, woman, and child are carriers for the genetics that should determine whether or not you activate a mutant ability by puberty, and the primary determining factor is whether or not it's dominant or recessive. It's been the attempts to retcon shit like changelings or AXE dragging in the Deviants into the mix that mean nobody knows what the frick is going on with the x-mutants at this point. And hell, Genosha's whole thing was that they imported slaves whose x-genes they could "activate" like a switch they could flip, so not like they help either.
>the X-men probably would already be living in a world that at least TOLERATED mutants if not outright accepted them by now.
I think the world does tolerate them. Or rather Mutants in the Marvel U are about on the level of queer people or maybe Black people (probably a bit more)
Like you probably have average Joe's being like "I don't have a problem with mutants, I even like a few of them" but they also would vote for a registration act.
And then conservative types would probably be pushing DeSantis/Heritage Foundation esque anti mutant laws in specific states.
And then in various countries you would have outright ongoing mutant genocide.
I guess my issue with X-Men has Marvel taking the aesthetics and thematics of irl civil rights movements but rarely engaged with them.
Krakoa was the closest and it just ends with "They all die and they deserved it"
If they really wanted to be on theme they would have Krakoa be a Haiti or Lumumba Republic of Congo type scenario where an opressed group self determines and then is brought down by Western powers fearing a threat .
Like say the CIA backing one faction of Mutants that want to rule because they have "better powers" and triggering a civil war. Or trying to get a Shah of Iran type figure installed who would listen to their influence.
My general impression is that as far as tolerating goes, you have to clarify if you're talking about the X-men or the mutant populace as a whole. Cause the general impression I got was that up to the 80s and 90s, people were a lot more chill with both the X-men and mutants since the efforts by bigots to drive them into the dirt were obviously well past inhumane and aside from scares like the Legacy virus, none of the mutants were deadly on a societal level that weren't also just plain supervillains in general. It's into the 00's and '10's that people started to get really fearful due to the X-men being a lot more buddy-buddy with people like Emma Frost and Magneto, and the mutant populations kept surging and then shrinking that nobody knew what was going on with the mutant populations anymore. Then again, the Marvel universe seemed to basically get a lot more spooky and terrifying to the average citizen near the end of the 90's and start of the 00's, so that was probably more of a factor if anything.
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You know, overall I don't think I would be more concerned with the mutants than with all the other crazy shit happening all the time. Hell, I would just try to buy something from Stark Industries. For personnal protection of course.
9 months ago
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I've said many times that I wouldn't give a shit about a guy who can move metal with his mind or make copies of himself. I'd just be jealous of their neat powers and hire them to do construction work. I'd fear mindrapists like Xavier and be wearing a tinfoil hat 24/7 just to keep some crooked psychic from mindraping me into robbing a bank for him. Beyond that I'd be fricking terrified whenever some world-leader is shown in public and not wearing one of Mag's helmets, because that would mean that a single rogue mindrapist could insert some brain control trigger that makes them launch nukes at whatever country the crazy mindrapist wants them to. Or they could just be stealing state secrets, ratting out spies or holding back progress.
You just can't fricking trust psychics, whether they're a mutant or got it from some other source. I'd be protesting in front of the white house with signs about how we must join forces with mutants and mutates etc to have them help us remove the powers of psychics before they're old enough to use their powers on other people, because there's really no sin greater than mindrape, reducing a sentient being into a toy to be programmed. Frick that creepy bald butthole in the wheelchair. I just KNOW he's done some seedy shit and then made everyone forget about it.
9 months ago
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But anon....are you sure your not doing exactly what he ordered to right now ?
9 months ago
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The only way to be safe is to kill him and see if a fog rises.
Because being a persecuted minority is the Mutants' story. You can have temporary breaks from that, or twists on the concept, etc., but eventually you'll get back to base.
Same reason Hulk will never permanently control his transformation or make peace with his inner demons. Same reason Spidey will never permanently achieve success in relationships and work.
And so on.
The "CYCLOPS IS WORSE THAN HITLER!!!" shit was absolutely embarrassing and they went back to Rightclops because that's what actually resonated with readers
Reminder all this hackneyed race war allegory crap took root from Smiling Stan Lee being too lazy to give every character an origin story for their superpowers.
Can't. Mystique depowered Moira and the save scum machine Sinister made with clones of Moria got bricked bringing Rasputin into the past by future Moira and Mother Righteous to stop Sins of Sinister.
No, the X-office needs an actual antagonist that isn't just the mutants backstabbing each other, so they left Nimrod and Omega Sentinel in charge of Orchis with the idea that they're just using the squishies to do their dirty work until they've won at which point they'll turn around and start killing all humans.
>Aaaah you think racism is your ally. But you merely adopted mutant suprematism, I was born in it, molded by it. I didnt' spare a human until I was already a grown man.
Jubilee has become my favorite mutant. Out of all the crap that the writers come up with to happen, Jubes remains the more herself. All the X-Men have archetypes, but Jubes is still the accidental badass arcade girl who's got all the cool stuff and is willing to share. What do the other X-men have? Screwed up pathos, PTSD, and disasters happening. Nothing that you'd want to be there with them for.
I dunno about that, the MCU usually focuses on post-2000 shit, as recent as possible. Wouldn't be surprised if they were already thinking about "AvX: THE MOVIE", even though they got rid of the Avengers people cared about.
I think X-Men will be an exception to that. Later shit for X-Men is really convoluted I don't think they'll touch it out the gate. AvX is certainly going to happen sooner rather than later, but our first X-Men movie will be as simple as possible. Especially if they don't want to waste characters out the gate. I think we're very likely to see members of the O5 mixed with the Giant Sized team to form a very young group of characters doing what the general public expects the X-Men to do: Live in a mansion in upstate New York that also doubles as a school. Marvel will play it safe for X-Men they will not frick up a golden cow that could be a cinematic universe in and of itself.
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Well there is the Xmen show coming out.
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A sequel to the 90s cartoon, aka the safest thing Marvel Studios could have done with the property. Bank on the success of a beloved, nostalgic cartoon that leans heavily on the aesthetics of the 90s era instead of launching a new show.
Given the whole "population 0" page, I can only assume that Shogo gets killed too somehow. As well as the "immortality machine" mutants.
It's too bad that Shogo is Jubilee's "not-hers" baby, when it could have been anything from a baby Rachael to the reincarnation of Jean Grey. And then they went and did the Krakoa island crazyness, which undoes the need for a Sinister-created baby Jean. Rachael was a "whatever of future past" character who stayed in the past, so she had to get born someday.
Is this Krakoa shit over now? I have no idea what's going these days, I lost all interest in the X-Men the moment Hickman got within 100 miles of them
It's not over dummies. The Fall of X books will ship through the end of the year. Maybe after that there will be a finale book, but we don't even know. Don't expect a real new direction until maybe next spring.
>franchise full of gays, nignogs, fat c**ts, ugly rainbow hair, fem versions of establish heroes, shitty segregationist politics, cringey bullshit such as pic related, awful, AWFUL plot developments and "grey" character writing that reeks of Game of Thrones copycat syndrome
Frick this garbage straight to hell. I hope Kevin Feige and CB Cebulski both suffer painful heart attacks and I hope Marvel completely tanks. They deserve it.
Hey a question, there's the whole thing with the supposed murders that were pinned on Kurt, causing him to leave Krakoa. They mentioned them at the end of Sons of X, but has anything else been said or shown about them in any other books?
I have not kept up with the comics in years and learned of whatever happened with the x-men as I pass through Cinemaphile just lurking by...
So if I get this correctly:
Krakoa is a magical living island, kaiju thingy where the X-men decided to lived at after Dr. Moira told Xavier and Magneto she essentially had a bad dream (muties killed and bad ends on every reality or timeline she lived).
Krakoa for some reason allows dead mutants to come back to life, soul and all, no clones or anything like that, you can pluck them from the afterlife just like that.
Krakoa is formed by every red flag.
Hickman is told "that will do pig" and he is not allowed to wrap up his own run.
A bunch of stupid degeneracy happens in how many years? How old old is this Krakoa schtick? 4? 5 years of this crap? I could swear it started in 2017...anyhow.
Fast Forward...
Nimrod can just drop in like that.
No one can stop this very stoppable fricking robot.
Xavier tells everyone to go through the gates of krakoa that have been tampered with to teleport everyone into the blender dimension, rick and morty style.
Only the popular mutants survive.
and this is how we get the reboot for the MCU movies.
Only notes are that Nimrod dropped in on a different island they have for the galas, not onto Krakoa, and the millions of mutants are most certainly not dead, Xavier just thinks that. They're probably in other realms (some are confirmed to be in one of the Thor realms) or captured by Mother Righteous on this piece of Krakoa she stole with magic.
It's comics so they're all coming back eventually and yet a part of me wishes Gwen were actually dead so people that aren't Hastings could stop writing her
What about an on-screen retcon? >mass funeral for all the dead mutants >eulogy montage >someone steps up to talk about Gwen >flashback panel >she jumps out of it like nothing happened >doesn't even know anything went wrong since she wasn't drawn to experience it >suddenly standing in the middle of a giant wake
Just imagine the kinography.
In a TV show, this would all be a really big deal. In comics, it doesn't mean anything, even to the few fans that are left. Decades of weak editorial allowing people to come in and do whatever they wanted no matter how stupid have in turn necessitated decades of retcons to get the IP back into a usable state, and created an environment where "must-read" doesn't exist, because nothing actually matters. Even someone who is a big enough X-Men fan and comic fan to be on the comic book Cinemaphile and posting in this thread couldn't care less, because none of it means anything. And the writing is so bad, and the idea so stupid, that the only thing worse would be if it actually did mean something, and all this garbage really stuck.
I hate that he's right, but he's right.
The only interesting things for this isn't how rich-idiot the x-men are being, but how they'll go about losing an entire island paradise and go back to the School for Gifted mutants. That, and the few characters worth following, like Jubilee and Sinister.
It's always been especially bad for the X-Men. Even in the 80s and 90s characters were cracking jokes about X-Men not staying dead. DC escaped this for a good while since they let big name heroes like Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan, and Barry Allen stay dead for quite a long period of time but sadly those days are gone. That said, still not as bad as Marvel. Marvel kills characters and announces their fricking return a week later.
The most tedious thing about this is the minute Scott said he couldn't feel his legs I just sighed and figured oh he's the leader in a wheelchair now huh
Yeah. Considering the FCBD issue with the actual fight came out so long ago, and in it we saw the new Cap Krakoa beat the shit out of him and throw him out of the treehouse, I thought he was gonna die for sure.
Now turns out he's alive and oooh yeah they're turning him into Xavier.
I wonder what musical chair is Xavier gonna take. Mags'? Paco?
Oh, thank god Nimrod broke up this homosexualry.
Shit, I could look at mutants dying all day. Frickers thought they could be like Prometheus but ended up reaching too high like Icarus. I can't muster up any sympathy for a bunch of characters who are constantly written as uppity holier-than-though minorities. Frick Marvel, I hope their writers all collectively break their wrists.
edgy
>t. the last inhumangay
Muggas deserve to die
With what, his stupid little bow tie? He looks fricking ridiculous. Death would be a preferrable fate over being an X-Men member.
>Mutie sympathizers
Are you black or something? Shiiiiieeeeet, figured your kind'd be offended. Chillax, Jamal.
I fully support tattooing numbers and barcodes on mutant forheads, and putting a leash on them. Frick those walking nuclear bombs.
Eat a dick you flatscan wienersucker.
Why is Nimrod being depicted in such a jovial, likable way as he does something so horrible? This shit is golden.
He's having the time of his life wrecking the shit out of the mutant 1%.
Writers likely speaking through him and just being glad they can finally drop them hammer.
Writers learned of Pelinal Whitestrake
REMAN
I AM ANGRY
ANGRY ABOUT MUTANTS
Half the Exterminators Dead
What your talking about Jub, Dazz got bigger boobs than ass.
I really liked that dumb mini. RIP Jubes, my queen. Damn what happens to Shogo?
she dropped him off to otherworld as she was done being his mum
...wtf is this page. Is this supposed to be funny?
I actually smilled so I guess it worked
Indeed! Well spotted, anon.
>They all look like drag queens
>Get fricking wrecked
B A S E D
it was very c**ty of Marvel to do a 'vote for members of the new X-Men team!' to deliberately kill them off, knowing it would be packed with fan favourites.
essentially punishing readers for liking b and c list characters.
Surge dodged a bullet
None of these characters are staying dead. They're all going to come back just without the cloning passed off as resurrection shit.
Marvel fricking HATES the "vote for the next X-Men" scheme because fans voted for Firestar (who Duggan DESPISES) instead of the D-Lister Duggan wanted instead, so he did this to punish fans when they repeated fricking over Duggan's SJW garbage wish of more darkies by voting in Juggernaut.
Who did Duggan want?
Monet who he made a supporting character for an arc and will be a character in uncanny avengers
So satisfying to watch this useless homosexual die.
who dat
Prodigy, see OP pic.
Prodigy is a skeleton and not white and bald
Black male White Female
Yeah the Laura that went through so much just to be Synch's PDA toy and personal sex kitten seems a bit weird
WHAT THE HOLY MENSTRUATION
nimrod bringing that heavy flow
>real characters like jubilee survive
>moronic fake ones like 'frenzy' die
Kek.
>we want the "homosexual 30 year olds pretending they're zoomers on instagram" audience
>>real characters like jubilee survive
Anon.....
>Have Cannonball do nearly nothing for four years sitting in space with his Hickman assigned wife
>Bring him here just to kill him
Dazzler has it even worse, constantly mocked for her washout career, broke up with longshot because muuuh amnesia, forgotten in the dust. And only brought back to have a cute moment with Jugg and die horribly.
At least she canonicly got an ass according to Jube.
I miss Longshot. Even after Krakoa lightened up on their non-mutie immigration they still didn't bring him back. Now Ali will never know about how their son got the Cable treatmen.
I find it hilarious how fricking racist the mutant became, man it's not like Longshot is a normal human either.
probably for the best, since Peter David thought it was funny to turn Shatterstar into his own grandfather.
>I'm sorry, can you repeat the part where you just said I was 'kind of' fricking a clone of my own son this whole time?
Weird but also she might be into that, look at her costume, she's into kinky shit.
They felt like making it really graphic, huh?
The Jubilee one where she got curbstomped with the little *pop* onomatopoeia was crazy
I think the "pop" was for her fireworks, but double meaning, I guess.
That amnesia in general was shit.
Marvel comics will only be relevant and respected again if the deaths are for real and they stop disrespecting the readers.
Dazzler and Juggernaut are the only real casualities worth a shit.
Juggernaut won't even be dead for long, he's in the solicitations.
Jubilee.
But Juggernaut didn't die, people often forget that he has a good healing factor even if not at full power, he was either captured or left for dead in Krakoa.
They pretty much confirmed that winning the election was what saved him.
Okay. I despise quips on principle now. But that one, given the context, was alright.
I have no sympathy for misanthropic mutants. As long as they deny their humanity, they are lesser. They deserve this shit for their arrogance and I'm disappointed that it's just going to get reversed.
And of course Synch and not-Laura survive. Frick Duggan and his poochies.
This is Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe type of moronic shit that makes me hate comics.
Yeah, plot contrivances are pretty common. They usually don't bother me as long as a book delivers something else. These books deliver novelty and zanyiness, so I'm fine with it.
Don't all mutants just come back anyway or did they get rid of that plot point, sorry it's been awhile
This entire plotline is about the weird mutant orgy island that enables mutants to resurrect whenever they die getting destroyed
So there's no point to getting mad that any of these characters died right
i mean no as far as we know they're all "dead" but this is comic books and jean grey isn't actually staying dead sadly
Sorry, again, I haven't read X-Men in ages so you can just ignore this if you want but.
Doesn't this
mean death doesn't matter? Or do you mean something happened that means they'll stay dead
the resurrection island is being burned to the ground
they can't resurrect anymore
It could go either way. If the island is going away, this could be the start of another classic X-Men culling. They won't return and we'll get a very scaled down mutant population. Who's on a future cover that died at the gala? That'll answer the question of if anyone should care.
Jean died at the Gala and she's getting a mini series about coming back to life. This is sadly only lasting until the end of the year
At the moment the mutants making the resurrections possible are gone, presumed dead by Chuck. It's unclear if they can still do their thing, wherever they are.
The 5 mutants that do the resurrection stuff got sent through a separate evacuation portal from everyone else, so presumably they're off the board for awhile, away from everybody else. I'd imagine they'll show up again near the end of the arc just long enough to respawn all the important people, then enough of the 5 will be killed off that they lose the ability to bring anyone else back.
Thanks! That explains it.
Sorry I think the last time I read a X-Men comic was when Kitty Pryde got connected to a space ship
Frick off, Cannonball and Jubes get nuked but they get away?
Why is SYNCH getting so much fricking play?
Hickman probably had plans for Synch that the current X-Office are following. If it makes you happy it will probably end with Synch and Old Laura fricking off to live happily ever after, like Hickman tried to do with Mr Fantastic, Cannonball, and Apocalypse.
it's an interracial couple. it's x23 getting play
All this storyline just to end up with her preferring strong black men
If it makes you feel better it took her like 300 years to start thinking that way
100 I think she says, now she is addicted
JUGGERNAUT had to be hurled out of the scene because otherwise he would have FRICKED that ROBOT UP.
Juggernaut 1v1's that robot for nearly the entire book, but eventually loses.
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Can't Juggernaut infinitly continue fighting due to his enchantment?
Depends on how much whoever is writing him that day wants him to job
He aint got Cyttorak right now, he's b***h made.
Yes he does unless something happened between his solo and now.
Juggernaut really is the final boss if he was ever written competently, he's beyond Superman level.
Who dat in the top left dying?
Oh please dust Not Bobby. Turn him into a snowcone
Nice. Hahaha those faces are a riot.
How many Omega level mutants does Krakoa even have currently?
like 12 ish
Jean
Bobby
Magneto
Forge
Charles son (gone)
Protus and some of the 5 like Hope
Quentin (gone)
Storm (Mars)
different Anon, what happened to Apocalypse?
Also Mars I think, possibly also dead. I don't really follow the Arakko storyline.
He's in Amenth, but since his wife is now gonna wage a war on Arakko (Mars), he's probably gonna be in Mars soon, too.
Mags is dead, Joseph is around in the Wanda book tho, apparently pretending to be Mags.
Quire is back as of the latest X-Force, but he's old and not sure what his deal will be moving forward.
Legion went off onto another dimension or something.
Joseph as in the clone? He's back?
There's a suspicious Magneto in the Scarlet Witch book. It's obvious it's Joseph but they haven't said it outright yet.
I mean, last we saw him, he got decapitated, now look at his neck.
Magneto is also dead unless he came back recently. The five are out of the picture since this book and Jean and Bobby died, so I guess it's just Forge now.
>Forge
are they really calling Forge an omega now? I mean, yeah, he's powers are stupidly op, but an actual omega level version of Forge would need to be like Forge's powers combined with Whiz Kid or Madison Jeffries' powers.
Omega just has to be the best person with that powerset
wasn't Forge the example of a powerful. mutant who was not an omega though? since tony a normal human is better than him
Forge isn’t an omega
So forget powers is that he can see mechanical stuff? Jeffries and Whiz kids power are basically reworking/rebuilding, reconstructing, deconstructing, etc etc with tech in anything they want?
Forge has the power to basically invent ANYTHING. Jeffries and Whiz Kid can simply create tech/manipulate objects to create but are limited to their own slightly above average intelligence. Forge just has to think of something and he can make it, so long as he has the resources. Think Rick Sanchez but more well adjusted and not a domestic abuser.
>can invent ANYTHING
like, say... an Anti-Nimrod?
He kinda tried that...
it became Nimrod
ah, naturally.
That's hilarious, even a machine created by a mutant came to the logical conclusion that mutants are a priority threat.
Iceman (dead)
Jean (dead)
Storm (on Mars)
Magneto (dead)
Exodus (captured)
Hope (captured)
Elixir (captured)
Proteus (captured)
(Quentin) away
Legion (gone)
Mister M (another dimension)
Vulcan (gone)
Jaime Braddock (another dimension)
>Jean (dead)
My ass
That's not how he works, and this is moronic. Just disable nimrod's power.
Oh no, they killed gay Iceman! Marvel must be full of homophobes!
What happened here? I thought Iceman was now strong enough to freeze the whole planet and slow down time. Last time I saw Nimrod a normal team could beat him. He's like a Dragonball villain here.
The usual characters forgetting their powers. Several of them should be able to effortlessly solo the robot.
This is a correction of villain decay. Nimrod, as originally depicted, was unstoppable. The only way they were able to beat him the first time was to push him through a portal that erased all knowledge of himself and gave him an entirely different identity
He's fighting someone who can literally disable atomic activity. There's no counter for that. Yet instead we have hammer hands.
Nimrod's whole thing is he can modify himself to be have a perfect counter for anything he's scanned. So given that he knew that he was going to fight Bobby, he probably had a very literal 'atomic activity disabler negator' module. You don't fight Nimrod with something he's seen before. It doesn't work. He's an end-game threat that wiped out all mutants in the future.
>atomic activity disabler negator' module
Anon, I want you to read what you just type in this post and reflect on it and tell why you don't deserve to get hit by a stapler.
Actually, how safe is it for Iceman to do that around a bunch of friendlies, powers or no? Nimrod attacked in a room full of what, for him, is a target rich environment and, for them, might have unacceptable collateral, like their infinite life hack team. Can any of them bring the fullest capacity of their power sets to bear without risking said collateral?
Yeah but Bobby also couldn't make it so cold time slows down back then. Instead of Nimrod showing he's got new tricks to deal with stronger mutants he just acts like a generic bruiser and everyone else acts like they don't know how to deal with him.
>Nimrod, as originally depicted, was unstoppable
God I hate lazy "I'm just instantly magically immune to all your powers, no I don't have to explain how" villains. It's much interesting when they baddies are shown actually doing clever things to neutralized the heroes' powers, instead of just going "nuh-uh, I have my invincibility field on" like they're a 6 year old.
Even just silly techno babble like "reducing cooling systems to increase internal temps. Deploy magnesium flare burst in a delta pattern to counter ice structures. Target Omega-2 and arm thermite Flechette swarm device" would be better.
In fairness to the rest of the issue, we did actually see Orchis put in the work for every other part of their master plan, though it's dampened a bit because I think Krakoa kind of forget about Orchis for like a year.
Bobby should be able to come back to life as long as his consciousness isn’t trapped and water molecules still exist.
The previous version of Nimrod the X-Men barely beat was never at full health.
in the time's arrow book trilogy he brought down robots (that grew larger and stronger when they absorbed kinetic energy) by putting them at absolute zero and spider-man had to wait to punch and shatter them, and it still hurt his fists even after they were rapped up in a bunch of webs
writers don't know shit about any of their powers, or state that a character can terraform a planet and kill them off anyway because they like their stories to be arbitrary
Think of like this
Cold can't reach a temperature below negative 273 degrees Celsius. Heat meanwhile can go to a temperature of thousands
So you only need to output more heat then what Iceman can cool down, what I'm saying is throw him into the sun or shove a sun inside him.
Why is he cosplaying as Iori Yagami?
shit, I didn't realize it
He's even starting the Shiki Yaotome in that panel
You think he would have dressed differently if he knew he was gonna die?
Than a dress shirt and a vest? He has like the most normal formal wear there aside from his color scheme.
The real problem is his choice of +1
>guy terraformed an entire planet
>his first plan to deal with a big robot guy is by hitting him in the face with his fists, except they're icy maces
maybe he should have spent more time thinking about how to attack instead of thinking up that really shitty speech.
>it's been 10 years and bobby is still a homosexual
Are you moronic? Why wouldn't he be?
>why wouldn't anyone retcon the 'takes it in the butt' retcon
Asking the important questions.
I wonder if he fricks himself with icicles sometimes
A Multiple Man duplicate
>they've got nano tech that they can secretly poison muties with to take away powers without anyone realising the tech is there
Why the FRICK wouldn't you use that on all mutants? Just cover Krakoa in a cloud of power-dampening nanites.
Why do they all look like shit
Hellfire Gala attire. Most of them suck but you'll probably never see them again.
I'm still kinda annoyed Juggernaut lost.
marvel hates x-men
Marvel hates readers
what is this gay shit
A gay moronic end to the worst status quo in X-Men history. Like yeah, they're really going to actually kill Jubilee or Dazzler or every single mutant for realsies. Frick why do this when you know it's being instantly reversed in some way? This is like Rosenberg going kill crazy because he knew it wouldn't matter. It's like Kamala's death. Why do any of this stupid shit when it ultimately means nothing because you obviously don't have the balls to even pretend to commit to it?
House of M was the worst thing to ever happen to the X-Men and I'd rather go back in time to brain Quesada with a cinder block to stop it instead of OMD.
You mean House of X. House of M was great.
House of X was shit too. I just want my comfy Morrison era mutant integration period. Not the extinction stop-starts or mutant supremacist ethnostate.
>seething larper shitposts again
This was the X-Men at their peak, and all you can do is seethe
I unironically seethe and hate anyone who defends Krakoa even in jest.
You should take a chillpill then
You're correct
I'm not one for ryona but goddamn this is satisfying.
>That 'pop'
That's her weak little plasma effect, not her head being popped like a grape
lets not and say we did
Like she'll stay dead. When X-Men 97 rolls out you know Marvel's going to want a book with the animated team for synergy. She'll be back in a month.
Not like they aren't gonna ruin it, the current writers loath TAS. I doubt they are competent or good willed enough to do something good, even in a limited "Cable go back to the past to save everyone and it's back to X-Men being a team of hero living in the mansion" run.
I never said it would good.
I know. I'm just split because I want the X-Men I liked back, but I know it's a terrible monkey paw.
Marvel doesn't like Jubilee. She was created by Claremont to replace Dazzler (who was only really treated badly under Harras, as post Morrison she's been regularly featured on and off in the various X-Books and only really shitted on by Bendis since then) and represents the early 90s period that Marvel in the 00s since Quesada took over, despises. And given the controversy over them firing her voice actress (a white woman), they won't want to give any major attention towards her; especially since a writer used Jubilee in a recent TAS spin-off to shit all over Krakoa via having Jubilee be in the Moira role of resetting the timeline.
>Hate Jub, Hate Daz
Trully the king of SHIT TASTES
>And given the controversy over them firing her voice actress
They didn't fire her. She's still in the show just not as Jubilee. Court tweeted before the show was even announced she didn't want to reprise Jubilee in a revival there's zero controversy. Especially since the show has no fricking hype behind it. No one even leaked the SDCC footage, we didn't even have a thread for the panel.
>No one even leaked the SDCC footage, we didn't even have a thread for the panel.
Aren't voice actors part of SAG-AFTRA and on strike?
Yeah but still had some production details. They showed up at one of the X-Men panels and dropped a clip, jacked off Cyclops for being a great character and leader, and then Marvel did a podcast for the show afterwards as part of their SDCC press. None of it really got any attention. The hype for this show is practically non-existent.
I'm not up to date, why are these deaths considered permanent? Did Nimrod frick the cloning shit up or something? Or was it already out of commission? Coulda sworn I saw Kamala just used it.
The 5 bailed because of Exodus saving them and a group of mutant with Charles resist power jumped away somewhere else, all other mutants got walked through the portals to wherever Orchis wants
Kamala used it before the gala. Nearly all mutants are "killed" during the gala by Chuck sending them trough gates that lead into a "meat grinder". They're obviously still alive, but out of the books for the moment.
Probably like 2 or 3 at most named characters, none that anyone actually cares about besides maybe one of my favorites which I won't name to jinx.
I mean just there I see Jublee, Dazzler and Cannonball getting killed. I feel like they are more popular ones.
Everyone on that page is a fan-favorite to someone.
Yes, even Frenzy or the post-Gillen gayed-up version of Prodigy.
Deaths:
All humans attending the Gala except Kingpin.
Frenzy
Prodigy
Multiple Man dupes
Jubilee
Dazzler
Cannonball
Jean Grey
Iceman
Lourdes Chantel (Shaw ex-wife)
Background mutants
Then only mostly senior X-Men escaped with Kingpin. All other mutants including the Five, who resurrect mutants, were captured.
I wish they had gone a little easier on the death toll, so there was at least a tiny believable chance that everything isn't getting reset by the end. Instead they went all out on the "shocking deaths" and now I can't give a shit because it's clearly going to get undone and most of them brought back to life sooner or later.
Also just retconning Ms Marvel with "turns out she was always a mutant" was a lame as frick cop out.
That's the problem with Krakoa. From the word go the entire thing basically insults the reader's ability to suspend disbelief. You knew it wasn't lasting, none of the retcons to make it work made sense, and you know that all the characters aren't staying dead. Krakoa exists as basically one continuous diarrhea shit on the concept of change which is probably why everything has a "none of this matters" feeling.
The writers don't care one bit about making the reader believe anything that's happened over the last four years is sticking and they don't care about making you think this will either much as they didn't care about making people believe Kamala was dying for real. It's openly insulting not just the readers' attempts to engage with the story but the idea that anything that happens actually means something. Why should the reader care about any of this when the writers are practically rolling their eyes and doing jerk off motions?
Krakoa should be a a two year long (at max) story arc that was kept away from the rest of the MU, and that ended with Moria's final death, which gets used as an excuse to reset things back to a state that undid all the damage Marvel, (also Bendis) did to the franchise while they were pissed over not having the movie rights.
It could have been a fun, interesting alt universe story that came and went before it got tiresome, just like Age of Apocalypse. But nah, for some reason it turned into a never ending terminal cancer that got worse and more cluttered with every issue.
it was meant to be more or less that, but then it sold like hot cakes. its why Hickman left, they took the plot away rom him.
>it was meant to be more or less that
It was confirmed that Hickman had planned Krakoa to go for 5 years
...I have zero faith in his ability to keep those balls juggling for five years straight.
I mean he did it with his Avengers run
Did he though.
Why does Tony look like he's got a mouth full of White Mystery Airheads?
>mutants have been dying and get brought back for years like it's nothing
>even before this death was a joke for mutants
>OH WOW LOOK AT ALL THESE DEAD MUTANTS
they didn't come back as often as you think. pyro was dead and out of x-men books for nearly twenty years, same with other c and d listers. sure, a character like rogue will get ressurected sooner rather than later, but anyone outside that core team? good luck.
It's literally a joke in universe. People have commented on mutants coming back to life all the time. Before Krakoa.
something being a joke doesn't mean its actually true
people joke about pym hitting janet too like they go ten rounds on the regular.
What are you talking about? The point is that the deaths are pointless and only done for shock value but it's hard to even be shocked when death lost meaning for mutants decades ago and is even more trivial these years.
>Entire room of mutants getting taken out by someone called Nimrod
lel. So much for being superior to humans.
>taken out by someone called Nimrod
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod
Ok. But nimrod is modern slang for a moron.
Hardly modern. Bugs Bunny used it sarcastically with Elmer Fudd and it's stuck ever since.
We should change it so your birthname is the new 'moron' owo
t. mutie
best bawds mostly lived
I guess, though Laura is stuck as arm candy for Synch as a non-character still and Katie in a bad situation
It's weird how dumb arm candy Laura is the OG Laura, Synch must have some ability to put him over the edge sex wise to have Laura playing kitten to him.
He Synched with the power "author fetish" giving him untold narrative power
author likes BBC or broken goth girls who like blades?
I was mostly just joking, but you know perfectly it's a BMWF thing, worst part is the "hundred years long love" bullshit to push it as the one true love. Well no, worst part is that it's the TRUE Laura and she's reduced to arm candy. I have legit no idea what where they thinking.
BMWF?
I legit can't recognize half the guys here, outside of Scott and Synch. Who's the guy in the bottom ?
looks like
Hellion - Just Kiss
Teen Scoot - Just Hug
Teen Angel - Fug and everything else
Synch - Cold shoulder 100 years then 200 years of Blacked
Wingbat - lol
>Wingbat
Litteraly who ???
>Check it
Oh lmao it's a self insert OC isn't it ? Well, sound like someone got the qualification to writte for Marvel, hire him.
He at least would be good with consistency of her character, I would put up with him lewding her for this
I have no idea who's behind that. Is this a rabbit hole
He is some guy who spent $$$ on rule 34 pics and fanfics of his self insert, you can find his name on rule34.com and on hentai foundry and a03
Look like she's doing a bit more than hugging scott here lmao.
Cover bait and switch, she only got a hug from him and planned on jumping his bones, then his dad showed up and he left Earth leaving her dejected, Warren showed up and she was like frick off but he persisted.
Laura relationships are a mess lmao, I still remember the Hellion thing, but the problem was more the issue shitting on Hellion out of nowhere
>Hellion is depressed by his life coming appart, his fricking arms being blown off
>Laura show up, tell him he is a mess, he rant on how he feel abandonned and blow up some random shit, Laura leave after he start oppening up
>Go after her and grab her arm to hold her back, Gambit get a pure schyzo moment and tell him he will blow his legs to match his arms if he grab Laura again (seriously WTF ?)
>Apparently we are supposed to believe Helion is abusive
>Latter do some adventure with Laura to save Reed kids and they warm up somewhat, guy outright ask if she giving him the cold shower because she find his metal arms disgusting, she deny and say she does care about him, but that she didn't abandon him
>Save the kids, sweet moment, talk latter, kiss in the rain, then Laura tell him they wont see each other again without explaining, he get pissed off, tell her she dosn't care about anyone, get told she just dosn't care about him
>ACTUALLY it's a fakeout and she admit to Gambit latter she does like him (and so is repelling him in fear of...close relationship?)
>This never get anywhere because Utopia lol
Actually now that I think about it, Laura sharring experience with a guy who feel guilty but divided over doing bad stuff and helping out of depression from body trauma while repelling him because she fear being TOO open about her own trauma would have been pretty good. Certainly much better than becoming PDL israeliteelery.
Also about that Helion arc, still lmao about Scott and Rogue of all people just putting a "bad apple" on some angry teenager who got his arms cut off.
Laura was a fish out of water but had a crush on pretty boy Hellion who was a jerk, he lost his hands and grew a little but she moved on.
She works well with Scott but he was pulled away, the girl needs some dick though and Bobby is gay so Warren it is then.
That's the moronic thing, the issue where she "break up" with Hellion has her telling Gambit litteraly the page after that she lied and still feel for him. It's just put under the rugg.
Lol did miss that, from where is that ? Is there any follow up ?
It's a fan page.
Well I'm sligtly disapointed, but thanks you for sharing anyway anon. It's cute. Even if I prefer Hellion with the psy arms
Calling Laura arm candy seems reductive, if you've been reading the current X-Men run. She's gotten her fair share of attention since her rescue. The personality change comes from her having spent spent centuries inside the Vault with Synch. He came out completely different too.
She kinda is, the Vault thing entire purpose was making her "Synch true love" and not much else. But I'm willing to listen about how post vault Laura "Talon" was good development.
she will just end up being a traitor or something
Being a milf IS good development.
We now have two Laura’s for the place of one.
They both are a good contrast to one another. You can see the juxtaposition and have they each turned out in their lives.
I fail to see how artificially aging a character to dump her as the arm candy of one of the most forced recent mutant (let's not pretend people gave a frick about Synch before he came back) is good, but whatever rock your boat I guess.
Also having two Laura isn't good, make the character evolve or don't, this "Yeah she's completly different and might as well be someone else now but don't worry there is a clone of exactly the version she was before too" is shit
Kate's laying against a solid surface and I doubt Orchis equipped every goon squad with anti-phasing equipment just in case, she's fine.
With how contrived this thing has been, I would not be surprised. But your right.
There are two Laura’s remember.
Milf one is getting blacked constantly and living her best life.
The young one is sexually frustrated and is in X-Force.
Milf Laura is the true laura. And that's rather the problem.
Isn't the existence of two Lauras pretty much confirms that no one is getting resurrected and they're just cloned with downloaded memories?
Laura is a clone herself so it doesn’t count.
That was clear from the start. But the idea is that everyone reading this is suppose to be demoralized, nihilistic atheist that literally cant see any meaningful difference between an actual body and soul resurrection and just making a clone with downloaded memories.
You sound fun. What makes this any different from all other resurrection methods used in comics? Is it fine by your standards if they reuse the old body? Did you drop Star Trek after they first used the transporter?
>Did you drop Star Trek after they first used the transporter?
And frankly it would be interesting to occasionally see some alien races in Star Trek that are genuinely disgusted by the idea of transporters because the very concept seriously conflicts with their cultural beliefs.
But yeah, there is a difference. For instance, Dr Strange's recent resurrection clearly involved his soul since it was a whole thing about him doing a task for Death in return for getting to come back. Meanwhile Tony Stark's last death had him explicitly come back as a clone with copied memories and never pretended to be anything else but that.
I mean, it's fine if the writers go there, and could be really interesting, but I don't understand why people here are pretending they can't enjoy a character anymore because the original died and it's now a clone. They're the same in every way.
Think of it this way, if it's the exact same character in every single way with no changes whatsoever, then what was the point of killing them off to begin with? Remember how much everyone rolled their eyes when Kamala Khan got ganked because they knew they'd bring her back as a mutant, and it took less than three months to be proven true?
Killing Kamala was Indeed pointless, but what they're doing wit Krakoa (showing a society that has conquered death) is potentially interesting. I don't think Marvel handled it perfectly (or even really explored the ramifications), but the idea is nice.
Not really. Death was considered a joke to begin with for the X-men, so all that they did was turn the subtext of how the X-men aren't allowed to die for the sake of marketing into actual text. Hell, as someone who's friends with people who struggle with suicidal thoughts, seeing the X-men obsess over the act of violently committing sudoku as either a gateway to power or as a joke was kind of disgusting to read.
That, and homosexual Superior didn't conquer death, homosexual Supreme did. Decades before Krakoa.
>but what they're doing wit Krakoa (showing a society that has conquered death) is potentially interesting.
It isn't, because death hasn't meant anything in Marvel, doubly so for the X-Men, so there's nothing to discover because the fifth incarnation of Iron Man is talking to the eighth incarnation of Rick Jones, while the tenth incarnation of the Earth's population brought back from a universal wipe are functioning like nothing happened, so we've already seen a society that deals with it, and it's that nobody seems to give a shit.
homie marvel writters would struggle writting decent episodic, what make you think their take on "post death society" could be anything vaguely worth reading ?
they didn't even bother to come up with a reason for why she's mutant now. It was just "lol, turns out she always was one, and that darn terrigon mist was hiding it the whole time"
>It was just "lol, turns out she always was one,
I mean that's how it works. You're born with an x-gene, it activates eventually.
If you want stories that end, read a creator-owned book. If you're tired of Marvel, stop reading Marvel.
That argument dosn't work when stuff like Spidergirl HAD Peter grow up and change without "ending the story"
No need to play defense force for complete hacks. The point we are today was reached after years of nepotism and cost cutting
>That argument dosn't work when stuff like Spidergirl HAD Peter grow up and change without "ending the story"
Hadn't he literally retired?
At the start, but he come to help and form his daughter as his successor.
Spider-Girl was an AU where Peter was a middle aged man. It was also one of Marvel's lowest sellers and cancelled multiple times, only saved because its dedicated fanbase would flood Marvel with tens of thousands of physical letters to get them to uncancel it. A situation like that could never be canon. People want a relatively young Peter Parker active as Spider-Man.
The only people who wants a young peter parker are the editors, who these days are jaded gays on permanent middle age crisis.
When the old writers were made men with families.
They've had Death itself confirm that the souls are going into the cloned bodies. But with Laura, her original soul would be in her original body and the new Laura is a clone with a brand new soul.
This also Falls into Mephisto's territory and the theory that charles made a deal with him to get krakkoa and all we got now is the result of Mephisto's wish now that he is back ruling hell.
It's iffy. Clones in marvel have their own souls and that one time nightcrawler died you got to see basically his soul/consciousness traveling through the afterlife (he met ghost rider banshee or whatever on the way) into his new krakoa made body, which suggests still the same person/soul in there. Idk what this means for Laura though, best guess is that Talon is og Laura and wolverine is a(nother) clone
The other, more important issue, is idea that it was completely consequence-free resurrection. In comics, there's always been a chance that someone brought back from the dead will have missing memories, maybe a lost soul, someone impersonating them, just SOMETHING that gives some room for doubt. Even in the case of Spider-Man where they outright confirmed all the clones had souls, Ben Reilly had to learn the fact that he'd been brought back enough times in such quick succession that his own core personality was eroding from damage to the soul. That's the kind of thing that people grew skeptical of regarding the X-men's resurrection, because it's like magic in that cloning/resurrection was never considered free, and that there was always a snag.
Which is why it's funny as hell to see the writers doubling down so hard on it to the point they dragged Scarlet Witch into shit and outright made a separate mutant afterlife in the desperate hopes that it'd shut up critics who was certain it couldn't be as straightforward as the readers were told, only for the two Lauras thing to happen and start it up all over again.
Easily fixed. The Laura's will merge together so we'll have the young one that continues fricking Synch.
Has any version of Blink shown up at all during the Krakoa arc? Or has she literally spent the whole thing stuck on the resurrections back log that keeps getting pushed further and further back because of line jumpers.
Domino survived?
she wasn't there none of the X-force characters were
Honestly, I'm just really looking forward to things, this is my first extinction level event where I'm actively following the X-Men storyline, was this the same sentiment during the time of Genosha and Decimation? IvX and the Terrigen Crap was so bad so I'm not counting tat.
is this supposed to be a serious comic? while they're in some moronic fashion get-up?
yeah they have been doing this gala event for the last few years, now somebody crashed it.
The sliding timescale really fricks those up because it there definitely haven't been three in-universe years between them so the scheduling for them must come across as completely arbitrary to Marvel citizens
Yet Gabby is still a kid and Anole still gets younger
Yaaay, years of world building and character development crudely and hamfistedly hacked down to return to status quo for the fourth time...No wonder manga is eclipsing western comics so badly.
Yeah...such good character development...such a waste...
>any given character is now a bawd screaming for troony rights
>character development
>"world building" was a bunch of copies of copies and more generic monster muties
VGH, THE GLORIOVS KRAKOAN AGE!
>to return to status quo for the fourth time
Anon, the last time the X men were in a state that could actually be called "Status Quo" was all the way back in 2005 before House of M.
>worldbuilding
>character development
None of this happened. Krakoa is an insult to anyone who's ever liked the X-Men. It's X-Men for non-fans.
Last issue of Immortal had Xavier himself spell out why Krakoa sucks and needed to end.
It doesn't have to end imo.
The alternative is to actually become a functioning country instead of 99.9% people hanging on a beach ruled by a bunch of narcissistic morons.
That might have been interesting.
Unfortunately we aren't allowed to have nice things.
it more the Marvel writers really can't do those kind of Systemic society driving type of stories even writers that are much more system driving like Hickman swept a lot of things under the rug to get Krakoa going only to ignore certain massive. questions.
The truth is here, X-Office writter problem (and it's the case with marvel writters in general) is that they loathe the codes and classic story beats and want to do something """new""" and innovative and defining, but simply aren't good enough as writters. The culture war shit exist and dosn't help, but at the core it's mediocre writters with big ego seething at more loved work
Never would have happened, either. I've tried reading the books, and it's obvious from how the X-men pretty much suck at business talk, diplomacy that is more involved than "We give you this macguffin in exchange for you letting us do whatever we want", writing PR that practically jerks itself off via humble bragging, and the lack of any actual look into their country that the writers couldn't care less about putting together the actual functions of Krakoa. Based on shit like X-men Red and Immortal X-men, they're all more into the interpersonal drama between the elite players on Krakoa ala Game of Thrones or Sex and the City. That by itself isn't bad, since overwrought drama and clashing of ideology/philosophy is the X-men's bread and butter, but the fact that it's the ONLY thing that the writers have delivered on in the last four years does not speak to their ability to actually make Krakoa a convincingly functional country even if you gave them ten more years. Hell, the times we actually get to see them write anything that isn't from the perspective of the elite aka the X-men is limited to the chart pages, and even then it's like 1 in like a thousand of those.
This "haha we can just casually kill mutants in every story because they can all respawn no problem" has to end sometime.
>Mutant separatism is bad
>Which is why I deliberately avoided recruiting non-mutants at all opportunities in all my efforts even though they would have been useful as frick for every endeavor I've ever undertaken
Shut up, Chuck.
Well in the early years Fred Duncan was his human ally in the FBI. And Moira used to be a human ally until Hickman's retcon.
I'm just saying current canon is he created the X-Men to police mutantkind and he only staffed the X-Men with mutants so that suggests both that he viewed mutants both as a separate threat from the rest of humanity and one which had to only be addressed by mutants. And Juggernaut and Deadpool occasionally.
Xavier has ALWAYS been a separatist and that is the fundamental problem with the fricking franchise. Literally the only time he wasn't is when the school took in exchange students and they had that one human student in a wheelchair that's never been brought up again.
If the series *actually* focused on integration, it'd solve a lot of the fricking rot it's had over the decades, but then they'd need to come up with a new plot other than separatist island gets genocided.
>he only staffed the X-Men with mutants
Well yeah, you wouldn't send normal people to fight mutants. His human allies had noncombat roles.
When Claremont wrote the title they offered membership to Carol who went ballistic and left when she saw Rogue was on the team.
>Well yeah, you wouldn't send normal people to fight mutants.
There's no shortage of powered humans that can do the job, plenty more powerful than mutants, and more that would willing to help, so why not?
They asked Spider-Man and he told them to frick off.
Was this before or after they found out that Spider-Man wasn't a mutant and they lost their shit at the revelation?
This was their first meeting. Xavier had Cerebro he would have known if he was a mutant or not. They also offered membership to the Mimic even though they knew he got his powers from a lab experiment.
Mimic is allowed on Krakoa
they retconned Mimic into a mutant
When was this? Last I remember seeing him was in X-Men Legacy during the Schism era, and he was firmly established to not be a mutant, because giving Weapon Omega (who feeds on Mutant energy) his energy made Weapon Omega unstable and eventually turned him into a living bomb.
I'm sure retcons may have happened since then, but that's the last I saw him.
It was in a data page from HoXPoX where they explained how resurrection worked. Weapon Omega is one of those mutants I would have liked to see on Krakoa.
hmm. Yeah, it says "mutants such as Sync or Mimic" in regards to replicating the powers of the Five to help in the resurrection process.
Still, he's not supposed to be one, though he theoretically could mimic those powers. Call me obstinate but I'll chalk it up to wonky wording rather than him getting retconned into a proper mutant.
Probably got retconned just because Hickman was setting up that thing about gestalt clones with multiple powers as being this huge deal that took sinister ages to figure out how to create. Mimic' old origin would have clashed with that.
Honestly I don't see why the X-men in their best day would not welcome other super powered "freak" who want to do good and need a place to call home.
Because they are racist
>Longshot is extranged from his familly because Krakoa dosn't allow non-mutant
Dam. Didn't expect Marvel would have the balls to show how those communities often have great racial hatred themselve. Bold and brave.
Bloody hell, I'm pretty sure when magneto tried to set up his own various attempts at mutant segregation even he was usually shown as being willing to let family members of mutants come live there as well.
Human spouses can get Krakoa citizenship, Northstar's husband and Kingpin both did this. Dazzler just doesn't care enough about her estranged husband right now.
Now dazzler is half of the mutie woman she was
For an island that's always being targeted, you would think that they want as many Luck-based superhumans on it as possible.
Dazzler and Longshot breaking because "Muuuh amnesia" was so fricking shit.
There was also the "miscarried" baby.
What a shiteating grin, always like that fricker, he's a eternal brat.
Well, he was getting lucky.
They did, his name was Longshot.
Didn't they believe he was a mutant at first ? But yes it's true. To bad Dazzler isn't with him anymore and he never showed up on Krakoa.
So like how Magnito tried to recruit Electro despite him not having the X-Gene.
Man, Candid Camera is old
Stevie Hunter, Carol, Longshot, Mimic sometimes, he's had a lot.
I miss good gal Moira.
You didn't read any mutant comic.
lmao how's it feel? Garbage like this current run exists BECAUSE Marvel kept hiring on morons who didn't respect canon, established character's personalities and histories, or world building. If they didn't respect the old stories and developments, why should they respect yours?
Quarter of a million, if all goes well.
>Hellfire Gala
>Hellfire
How are muties not the bad guys again?
as long as this ass is safe, I'm happy.
She is with the X-force
Stark got betrayed by one and stole his tech, now he is out for revenge and using his dad's membership.
>Death is meaningless in the Marvel universe
Being a capeshit character has to be some modern layer of hell, where you're constantly tortured and killed by a bunch of fricked up balding 40-something writers.
It's literally impossible to give a shit about the X-Men with this crap. Oh boy they got genocided again, that only happens every other year. I'm sure things will be different this time.
I wish the industry would just collapse already.
Hopefully this isnt the end ive been enjoying the current status quo
Eh, while I am enjoying this era, if it comes back I want it to be much more closely explored. Then again, Marvel has a bad track record with that, since I'm pretty sure Atlantis and Wakanda experience a major cultural change in between each appearance.
Fall of X will stretch for at least another 6 months. We may get an actual reset after the next round of minis completes. But I'm looking forward to Dark X-Men and Children of the Vault.
it's Fall of X until the end of the year with a relaunch in the new year
Is there any good porn of the mutants having orgies on Krakoa?
there is one good one on ehentai if you look for it, it starts with Jean and Emma but has a few other pairings
That's the worst part. There are no orgies, there never were. Maybe Scott and Logan had a threesome with Jean but that clearly didn't last. And everyone else is either in committed relationships or one night stands.
Hell, they're still so culturally in-tune with humanity that Storm hasn't brought back her nudist tendencies.
I think (hope) that Scott also had threesomes with Jean and Emma, and maybe Jean and Emma occasionally slept together on their own.
The gala itself:
Cannonball, Dazzler, Prodigy, Frenzy, Jubilee, unkown mutant(only upper half seen), Jean, Lourdes, along with 64 unknown humans (counted from the number of extras in the background in a few pages. Total:73 people dead.
Mutants who disappeared:250,000.
Mystique is probably dead too (and went out like a b***h) unless she was faking the whole thing (which is entirely possible)
I do have to wonder how the hell Orchis will explain this shit. Also you have to think about families, because yes, I'm one of those buttholes who use fridge logic.
They framed Krakoa for the dead humans by telling the world via their media contacts that the human guests/dignitaries confronted Xavier over how Krakoa was selling tainted medicine to kill humans with at a later date and Xavier murdered them all and ordered an evacuation of all mutants once his "scheme" was outed to the world.
Hence why Emma is now a wanted fugitive in Iron Man.
Legit can't believe they're going with such an obvious bullshit lie. Then again, the drugs were such a stupid macguffin to begin with (just how much did Xavier have to bribe the FDA with to push this shit) that I'll take any excuse to be done with them
Mystique is obviously not dead as her body disappeared before anyone got near it.
Mystique literally has a one-shot with Nightcrawler coming up in a couple months so she’s definitely not dead
Death by unstoppable murderbot is what Krakoans get for exiling Danger.
It's Mass Effect 3 all over again.
Does Magik survive? Does she get cured of her nanobot aids?
she in the realm of X book so she unlikely to be dead
she's apparently where ever the other evacuees went to instead of mars. And I'd assume her powers will stay off line just long enough to have what ever story they have planned for how that group gets back to earth.
I'm assuming all the mutants got teleported to the Atlantic Krakoa island, which we see Mother Righteous stick in one of her magical snow globes as part of her deal with Orchis to help, "kill all the mutants."
She's probably playing the long game and trying to get on their good side, in the hopes that Legion and co. don't come back from whatever higher plane of existance they ascended to a few issues ago (she tried to kill him, it didn't work.)
>She's probably playing the long game and trying to get on their good side, in the hopes that Legion and co. don't come back from whatever higher plane of existance they ascended to a few issues ago (she tried to kill him, it didn't work.)
She wanted Legion back because he thanked her which put him under her control. Writing himself out of existence again was the only way he could escape that fate. If she saved them it all, it was purely so they would all thank her and give her even more power.
So, did Nimrod kill my wife or has Marvel completely forgotten about her?
the later
thank god, at least I won't suffer shitty runs, character assassination nor retcons.
It's funny how completely Hope ditched her original five... Were they ever really her friends?
Also even looking back at the Lights through the lens of mutant circuits, I can't for the life of me discern what all of them together could actually accomplish.
>It's funny how completely Hope ditched her original five... Were they ever really her friends?
It's probably a case of the writter not liking them and conveniently doing away with them, character relation be damned
they were characters Bendis didn't create and as such he didn't like them
Frick Bendis, he shitted up mutant and everything else he could touch, then he went at DC and did the same.
Not wrong, but I thought that by the time of AvX I thought they all hated Hope's guts for the whole subtle mind control and being an edgy hardass.
writers only give a shit about her because of her relationship to cable and keep the plot armor for cyclops being right, so long as they never mention cyclops willing to kill bishop and so long as writers never mention the story decision making bishop become a villain that napalms all of south america just to so cyclops can be right and beast be wrong for not wanting to kill bishop.
HUMANS AS THE ONLY RACE
PUNCH A MUTIE IN THE FACE
it's a pretty established thing that anything involving the sentinels always ends with the humans getting screwed over too. Even the start of the whole krakoa arc showed that the last few humans alive will end up being kept in a zoo in the "Nimrod Wins" timeline, and presumably are destroyed when the machines finally ascend into a World Mind.
I really want ultron to show up in one of thes Sentiel stories and pull a "earth isn't yours to conquer "
>loved
>past tense
I almost forgot that Scott is a cuck now thanks to the degenerates at the x-office. Thanks for reminding me
I feel like Jean might think she's dead dead, maybe that dagger Moira used super kills mutants or something, felt like they were emphasizing it for a reason
She sure seems more dead than most.
Unironically she is back to life somehow, which means that or she got a spare body or She will possess Madeleine, and unironically leading to the Spider Goblin incident with peter
Ok what have they done to Firestar?
Made her a villain instrumental in genociding mutantkind, lol.
Jean brainwashed everyone into thinking Firestar was a mole feeding intel to ORCHIS to save her life and give the X-Men a mole, but now everyone hates her.
Oh
>so that page was Jean suggesting Firestar throw Hank further under the bus
She's getting The Boss'd.
She's gonna be the greatest hero, or at least really important to win in the end, but everyone will think she's a traitor.
Combination of Duggan not liking her and X-gays hating her because she was on the Avengers so she's a cop and a narc according to them.
Chuck looks like he's having a great time.
I don't know about you, but watching these wienersuckers getting beaten down and killed is cathartic. It's too much to hope the Muties cease to exist as an entity alltogether, but them getting divided and removed from the political landscape is a nice consolation prize.
>getting uppity over fictional characters
get a life
You will never be part of the mutant sex orgies.
>says the guy who posted this
eee... no? to be fair, you both take this larping too far
The hell fire gala is just a pride parade now?
Only one of them is gay, Prodigy.
I'm under the impression the hellfire gala was just created to let gay artists go ham so even if the characters aren't gay it's still really gay.
Oh hey, this means Speed is freed from his gay boyfriend.
>omega omega omega omega omega
What the hell is the infatuation with this shit? The reason why we have a bunch of people b***hing about Nimrod BTFO'ing everybody is because power creep has gotten fricking ridiculous over the decades and the original appearance of Nimrod almost casually wiping out mutants seems relatively tame in comparison.
>Iceman can make ice bridges
>can freeze things with a blast
>is still vulnerable to heat
>UM ACTUALLY IT TURNS OUT THAT HE CAN TURN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE INTO A POPSICLE, HE JUST WASN'T TRYING HARD ENOUGH
It's shonen shit at this point.
>picking one of the few characters where this is actually a long-term thing and not the bakers dozen just handed the title for krakoashit
Bobby's total bullshit has been inconsistently around for ages.
Bobby not living up to his potential has been a minor plot point since the 80’s.
Bobby deserves to be the big mutant powerhouse slapping around the Arakii instead of Ororo. Frick Bendis for turning him into a gay so all his stories just get to be about that.
Huge difference between "realizing your potential" and being able to more competently use your powers and abilities and "oops, I sneezed and brought the Earth into the Ice Age :)" levels of bullshit. That's what I'm talking about power creep especially being largely responsible for shit like villain decay, and why Nimrod looking like a Nimrod but somehow being treated as a massive threat is so dissonant. It's the same shit as Spider-Man being able to punch off Scorpion's jaw because of "oh man, he was only using 10% of his power" writing, they went too far and moronic with it.
Now that Bobby is gay does he have a mancrush on Thor? Thor was like the only dude trying to help him at this point.
That was just the writer wanking off to Iceman and pulling a power-up out of his ass.
to be fair, ICeman returns pretty soon with astonishing iceman, so I doubt he got hurt permanently
Did Cypher survive?
Cypher got trapped by Krakoa itself, to protect him.
dazzler has like the perfect deepthroat costume.
Right ?
>Nimrod drops in
I wanted Reed to use his anti-mutant ray he cooked up with the contents of an Ikea
Well they shat on him and went "Lol your son isn't one of us."
Nimrod should've brought it with him.
Why is Krakoa so queer?
Not even shitposting, the whole thing looks like a world where pride month celebration is both mandatory and goes around all year long. Who is that for?
I think they're going for high fashion, which admittedly looks pretty gay.
Calm yourself anon. You’re showing your ignorance. You’ve never seen the real life Met Gala, have you?
Not enough.
They gaywashed Sam, too?
No you dumbass casual.
Everyone’s dressed up for the gala.
Does anyone else gate that whenever a Mutant safe haven is created "Genosha, Providence, Utopia, Krakoa," it must inevitably be destroyed or taken down?
It's like mutants aren't every allowed to be happy or win and when they do it's always
A. Temporary
B. When they are "anti heroic "
Why can't we have Mutants having a thriving successful culture while being portrayed as unambiguously heroic?
Hickman planned on tearing it all down a while ago but Marvel wanted it to continue for much longer. It was never meant to last. Mutants are always supposed to struggle and be hated.
Let's be frank, because that shit is boring long-term to Marvel. How many times you think Tony Stark's been allowed to just keep his company without any issues? Or Peter Parker's been allowed to have something resembling a stable life? Or Captain America's been allowed to sincerely believe in his place in American society without worrying how much of a fossil he is or how decadent the world's become? Or Bruce Banner is allowed to go into seclusion so nobody would have to worry about another Hulk rampage? If the X-men just had a place where they could just camp out and never have to fear for their safety ever again, nobody would give a shit about their cries of being persecuted and hated, they already have a place where they can be happy away from the normies that despise them.
And before you go "But can't the X-men leave their safe haven to just go help people out of the goodness of their hearts", they've been doing that already. And their books still suck. Even more so because they keep talking about the poor pitiful humans the way first worlders vacationing talk down to third worlders about how they're clearly suffering living in their crap shacks and not having krakoan pumpkin spice lattes or whatever.
TL;DR Marvel doesn't do happy cause happy doesn't sell
Are you implying Peter being a forever looser with no money locked in a eternal of living with May and loosing any significant relationship is good ?
I thought the same thing, lol what a terrible example
Nope, but that's Marvel's logic for why they don't bite the bullet and just give him a stable status quo to at least make his suffering actually mean something. Misery = sales.
>Misery = sales.
That isn't even true though.
The Lemire run that shat on the Bendis run by exiling mutants to Limbo and having humans hate them like foaming at the mouth maniacs for no reason, the X-Men vs Inhumans debacle, Rosenberg's misery run before Hickman, nobody liked that fricking garbage and it tanked the line.
I like how the convo shifts to Peter solely when every other hero has it just as bad or even worse
Spider-Man self-inserters are just as bad as X-Men self-inserters when trying to compete for the Self-Pity Olympics.
Of recently only peter and bruce wayne are getting shit hard
Try being frank castle
To be fair, you could easily find a new angel for the x-men and update them a little bit
You're expecting far too much of the writers, considering Hickman's big status quo shifting change that everyone ate up with a shovel was reusing Genosha/Providence/Utopia but giving the X-men plot armor for a few years.
He also made them team up with all the villains and not just Magneto because he loves it when superheroes are morally compromised, like in the lead-up to Secret Wars.
There needs to be a balance of good times to bad. Recent Marvel is moronic and doesn't understand that people want a Spiderman that loses some AND wins some (in personal life and super fights), instead of just being an unlikable, eternally shit upon sad sack. Or god help us, that fricking Spiderverse crap that literally said that the entire fabric of reality is apparently built around Spiderman and the people he know having shitty lives
Spider-Man is their top selling book (likely because of speculators and collectors) so they have no reason to care at the moment.
And has unhappy been selling?
They've squeezed too much water out of the rock of misery and people don't give a shit anymore.
>Mutant safe haven
>Genosha
Even at its peak, this one time all mutants on Earth got depowered, it broke into civil war. Later on Magneto decided to go nuts and use the mutants to declare war or something. Guess it was always uneasy at best.
Also, the Xavier manor was also a supposed safe haven, and Asteroid M, etc...
>Why can't we have Mutants having a thriving successful culture while being portrayed as unambiguously heroic?
They're really just humans fromall over the world with extra powers. A "culture" never made sense.
>They're really just humans fromall over the world with extra powers. A "culture" never made sense.
This is especially egregious, because there's no reason for anyone from such disparate cultures to just drop everything they grew up into for the sake of "mutant solidarity" or whatever. Israeli and Palestinian mutants still would have beef, racial supremacists of all stripes will carry on their shit against each other, because even if they're still muties, they're still white/black/asian/etc. muties that hate any race that isn't theirs, not to mention all of them would be carrying the baggage of their own native cultures, so especially conservative mutants could look at the shit going on in Krakoa with disgust.
It was as dumb as that Back to Wakanda thing they had going on in Sam's Captain America book, because there's no connecting identity with black Americans and Wakandans aside from the fact that they share ancestry on the same frickhueg continent, and Wakandans were established xenophobic buttholes that already want little to do with other sub-Saharan Africans, much less offshoots from a whole ocean away.
least the Back to wakanda stuff works better as political allegory for the back to africa movement and economic migration than Krakoa does with Ethnonationalism
It's not that I'm ignorant of the allegory, the main issue with the Back to Wakanda movement is that Wakanda is notoriously xenophobic, even when T'Challa was in charge and trying to relax those sentiments. It is the fact that the idea that a bunch of American mixed-blood blacks with ancestry tied to non-Wakandan African cultures could dare insert themselves so casually should have been way too much for even the most progressive Wakandans to consider.
>there's no connecting identity with black Americans and Wakandans
You may be more right than you know. One of the plot points in the early Black Panther comics was that T'Challa brings an american black girlfriend and she's received with a degree of prejudice.
Of course modern Marvel wouldn't lean into that, specially the MCU lol.
>Wakandans were established xenophobic buttholes that already want little to do with other sub-Saharan Africans
That doesn't make them buttholes, at least they weren't warring with other tribes and taking slaves or using child soldiers like several of them. If that's a thing in Marvel, anyway.
that was in Jungle Action were Wakanda was allowed to be backwards and technologically regressive thanks to being an isolationist nation that had only recently come out of it's self imposed isolation with modern/futurist tech being only a recent that T'challa brought to the country like meiji era japan
Yup
You're ignoring intersectionalism
For example, people of any race and nationality can be queer but they still come together under the banner of pride. Sure there are going to be internal tensions between queer people of different backgrounds but there is still that common cause.
Same for class solidarity in labor unions . Or multiracial disability rights groups.
Or hell , religions. At various points in time faiths have openly accepted people of various backgrounds under a common banner. (This was actually a big debate in Early Christianity)
Tldr: The real world has multiple examples of cultures/organizations/movements where the people are made up of different nationalities and races.
>You're ignoring intersectionalism
No, I'm not. There's intersectional shit going on, but this is an extreme case that was never covered in any meaningful way.
>For example, people of any race and nationality can be queer but they still come together under the banner of pride. Sure there are going to be internal tensions between queer people of different backgrounds but there is still that common cause.
Oh please, even under the pretense of LGBT pride, there are still plenty of people within those groups that hate each other, gays that hate lesbians, lesbians that hate gays, both hating bisexuals, and not a small amount of all of them being intolerant or discomforted with the new kid in the group, transsexuals.
>Same for class solidarity in labor unions
Plenty of labor unions were notoriously racist. Companies were hiring black and foreign workers in an attempt to offset strikes, and plenty got beaten and killed for it.
>Or multiracial disability rights groups.
Oh boy, let's not get into the "my disability is not a disability and it shouldn't be treated as such" subgroups.
>Or hell , religions. At various points in time faiths have openly accepted people of various backgrounds under a common banner.
Ignoring the various points in time where religions have brought people AGAINST each other in a super violent fashion.
>The real world has multiple examples of cultures/organizations/movements where the people are made up of different nationalities and races.
Usually after periods of great disunity, war, and violence, and even then it was never ever a guarantee. The biggest issue with Krakoa is that those different people took to it like it was nothing. Hell, not even counting preexisting conflicts, some of the biggest divides should have come from mutants who had no powers, those with shit powers, those with good powers, along with those who passed for regular humans, those who looked like Star Trek aliens, and those that looked like Star Wars aliens.
I agree that tension within multiracial and ethnic social movements and groups exist. I literally brought up an example from early Christianity.
I am arguing against the claim that a multiethnic and multinational group existing at all in the first place is unrealistic.
The fact that the intersectional tension hasn't shown up in X-Men I think is a product of the fact that, despite being about minorities, most X-Men books are written by white men with little to no direct connection to being an opressed group.
I don't think it is a coincidence that the two writers who injected the most on-point stories about mutants being opressed were israeli and non-binary.
I wish Dwayne McDuffie was alive, I think his take on X-Men would be pretty kino .
Intersectionalism is bullshit of the highest order and used to keep down the actual oppressed IE the working class and keep marginalized groups from being able to get rid of the toxic elements supported by the elites who want to legalize pedophilia, make it legal to discriminate against white men, and kill gays.
Intersectionalism leads to shit like women/lesbians being forced to submit sexually to trans incels, white men being banned from work in favor of incompetent people of color/women who end up getting people killed, pedophiles getting away with their crimes/promoting their perversions in public, and working class people being told their suffering "isn't real" and being told "learn to code" when the elites decide to destroy their lives by shutting down industries that employ working class folk. Oh and giving Muslims card blanch to murder gay people in the Middle East.
Serious answer, they're too boring when they have that.
X-Men are fun when they're outcasts, the misfits, but strive to be included among humans, the ones that hate them.
The separatist route isn't interesting, unless they start behaving like the Inhumans, and so very close to villains.
I guess I just find something very unsettling about the overall message of X-Men being
"The opressed will always be opressed, there is no end to your suffering, you can never have peace or even incremental gains, and even if you did you would be evil for doing so and it will all be taken away from you."
Like Mutants are supposed to be Marvel's minority metaphor but they haven't had something as basic as a Civil Rights Act, or Roe v Wade or Brown vs the Board of Education or Loving vs Virginia or Obergefell vs Hodges or a 14th Amendment moment. It can't ALL be doom and gloom. Even Suffering-Man had a happy marriage for a while.
Part of the problem is that in the Marvel universe it's already a legal quagmire deciding where your average superhero lies in terms of "superhuman", let alone something like the x-gene mutation that's in every single person just with a deviation in whether it's activated or not. And it's not like the X-men themselves really tried to speak in their own defense publicly, the only real spokesperson they had was Xavier whose defenses amounted to "Now, I'm totally not a mutant, cause we all know mutants are just a theory, BUT IF THEY WERE A THING..."
Ironically, Reed Richards did far more for mutant rights than the X-men ever did when he opposed Congress in opening up a Superhuman Registration Act by demonstrating that the law's inability to properly define what a superhuman is could only lead to a lot more harm than good, particularly since he was able to provide a reasonable definition and subsequently nail several congressmen as "superhuman" by fulfilling the conditions of that definition. So if they had worked to get more actual superheroes on their side willing to hit the books in their defense, the X-men probably would already be living in a world that at least TOLERATED mutants if not outright accepted them by now.
>et alone something like the x-gene mutation that's in every single person
It's not as of AXE.
>Ironically, Reed Richards did far more for mutant rights than the X-men ever did
Reed coexisted with the mutant registration act for years and was on the side of the state during the SRA. No.
Yes, you wanker, and everyone was questioning the frick out of why Reed of all people would do a complete 180 on his position when Civil War came about, but we know that when it comes to Mark Millar he could care less about continuity or logic if he's got a issue he wants to wank
Actually it's not even before that wasn't it? They had to test people in Genosha precisely because not everyone had inactive x-genes.
I don't know where people get this EVERYONE HAS AN X-GENE bullshit. They don't.
Much as I'd love to be a little shit to point out that everyone does have an x-gene, I'm pretty sure that the main thing is that it's been pounded in by decades of Sentinels and Cerebro brainscans of how essentially every modern man, woman, and child are carriers for the genetics that should determine whether or not you activate a mutant ability by puberty, and the primary determining factor is whether or not it's dominant or recessive. It's been the attempts to retcon shit like changelings or AXE dragging in the Deviants into the mix that mean nobody knows what the frick is going on with the x-mutants at this point. And hell, Genosha's whole thing was that they imported slaves whose x-genes they could "activate" like a switch they could flip, so not like they help either.
>the X-men probably would already be living in a world that at least TOLERATED mutants if not outright accepted them by now.
I think the world does tolerate them. Or rather Mutants in the Marvel U are about on the level of queer people or maybe Black people (probably a bit more)
Like you probably have average Joe's being like "I don't have a problem with mutants, I even like a few of them" but they also would vote for a registration act.
And then conservative types would probably be pushing DeSantis/Heritage Foundation esque anti mutant laws in specific states.
And then in various countries you would have outright ongoing mutant genocide.
I guess my issue with X-Men has Marvel taking the aesthetics and thematics of irl civil rights movements but rarely engaged with them.
Krakoa was the closest and it just ends with "They all die and they deserved it"
If they really wanted to be on theme they would have Krakoa be a Haiti or Lumumba Republic of Congo type scenario where an opressed group self determines and then is brought down by Western powers fearing a threat .
Like say the CIA backing one faction of Mutants that want to rule because they have "better powers" and triggering a civil war. Or trying to get a Shah of Iran type figure installed who would listen to their influence.
My general impression is that as far as tolerating goes, you have to clarify if you're talking about the X-men or the mutant populace as a whole. Cause the general impression I got was that up to the 80s and 90s, people were a lot more chill with both the X-men and mutants since the efforts by bigots to drive them into the dirt were obviously well past inhumane and aside from scares like the Legacy virus, none of the mutants were deadly on a societal level that weren't also just plain supervillains in general. It's into the 00's and '10's that people started to get really fearful due to the X-men being a lot more buddy-buddy with people like Emma Frost and Magneto, and the mutant populations kept surging and then shrinking that nobody knew what was going on with the mutant populations anymore. Then again, the Marvel universe seemed to basically get a lot more spooky and terrifying to the average citizen near the end of the 90's and start of the 00's, so that was probably more of a factor if anything.
You know, overall I don't think I would be more concerned with the mutants than with all the other crazy shit happening all the time. Hell, I would just try to buy something from Stark Industries. For personnal protection of course.
I've said many times that I wouldn't give a shit about a guy who can move metal with his mind or make copies of himself. I'd just be jealous of their neat powers and hire them to do construction work. I'd fear mindrapists like Xavier and be wearing a tinfoil hat 24/7 just to keep some crooked psychic from mindraping me into robbing a bank for him. Beyond that I'd be fricking terrified whenever some world-leader is shown in public and not wearing one of Mag's helmets, because that would mean that a single rogue mindrapist could insert some brain control trigger that makes them launch nukes at whatever country the crazy mindrapist wants them to. Or they could just be stealing state secrets, ratting out spies or holding back progress.
You just can't fricking trust psychics, whether they're a mutant or got it from some other source. I'd be protesting in front of the white house with signs about how we must join forces with mutants and mutates etc to have them help us remove the powers of psychics before they're old enough to use their powers on other people, because there's really no sin greater than mindrape, reducing a sentient being into a toy to be programmed. Frick that creepy bald butthole in the wheelchair. I just KNOW he's done some seedy shit and then made everyone forget about it.
But anon....are you sure your not doing exactly what he ordered to right now ?
The only way to be safe is to kill him and see if a fog rises.
God Reed is so cool.
Because being a persecuted minority is the Mutants' story. You can have temporary breaks from that, or twists on the concept, etc., but eventually you'll get back to base.
Same reason Hulk will never permanently control his transformation or make peace with his inner demons. Same reason Spidey will never permanently achieve success in relationships and work.
And so on.
Providence really was the best idea for a mutant nation.
A regular nation?
Even Cable knows that all mutant nations devolves into Mutants becoming what they despise.
or that neither his nor bishop's timeline ever had records of krakoa
>deathtoll
x-men were dead the moment writers started forcing rightclops, certainly by the time krakoa started
>forcing rightclops
Is this a mirror universe thread or something
The "CYCLOPS IS WORSE THAN HITLER!!!" shit was absolutely embarrassing and they went back to Rightclops because that's what actually resonated with readers
and then we got krakoa, a fascist ethnostate.
let me know when you catch up since you're still very far behind on what has happened
>Good
Gambit lived, he's always been my favorite
>Bad
Gambit lived and as such, will probably get written like dogshit in due time
Did you read the Rogue and Gambit mini?
Not yet, no. But I thought his solo last year was pretty solid, had a lot of cute moments with him and Storm
Not enough.
So Sinister was right?
Reminder all this hackneyed race war allegory crap took root from Smiling Stan Lee being too lazy to give every character an origin story for their superpowers.
Amazing to see even Juggernaut drawn with gaylips. Marvel must burn
Can we kill Moira and reboot this shit?
no
Moira's dead. The Moira who exists now is an AI with all her memories.
And why the world didnt reboot?
Mystique shot her with a gun that turns mutant into human made by Forge.
It's a gun, Frank. A Gun that shoots mutie-vaccines.
Oh no we are trapped in shit
The real moira is dead and possibly in hell, the moira we hve now is a robotic clone with her memories made by mr sinister
Sinister has nothing do with Moirabot, this is a plan she put into action before she died. All his clones were depowered and destroyed.
Can't. Mystique depowered Moira and the save scum machine Sinister made with clones of Moria got bricked bringing Rasputin into the past by future Moira and Mother Righteous to stop Sins of Sinister.
If the 92 cartoon final season they are workin on becomes a success, i expect old moira and magneto back, as a non moronic xavier.
The ones that got killed are false clones of the real ones who died a long time ago.
Literal GOYIMS
>final season
Season 5 was a final season. 97 is a revival with a "two season" order.
>The ones that got killed are false clones of the real ones who died a long time ago.
Time for OUR HERO to step up to the task once more
God, I'm desperate for them to send him back in time and undo all this shit.
Yeah have Jean and Scott's trio of time traveling super psychic kids fix everything.
Aren't Dazzler and Cannonball both immortal?
Also Iceman is too
External Sam and Immortal Alison both got swept under the rug decades ago.
So whatever happened the the whole "Machines tell man and mutant both to frick off" thing? I thought Nimrod was done with Orchis?
No, the X-office needs an actual antagonist that isn't just the mutants backstabbing each other, so they left Nimrod and Omega Sentinel in charge of Orchis with the idea that they're just using the squishies to do their dirty work until they've won at which point they'll turn around and start killing all humans.
Who murdered Jubilee's hair?
Reminder that Doom was right all along.
Xavier and the rest of the homosexuals on that island allowed the circumstances for Orchis and company to do this.
YOU ALLOWED SINISTER ON THE FRICKING COUNCIL.
And don't gimme that "muh database". It's Essex for gods sake.
This issue is satisfying, but at the same time I really wish it wasn't as forced as it was.
And i just realized this image of Doom might have an error.
Isn't his eyes supposed to be brown/hazel?
Frick you Doom, I hate when you have a point.
Doom always has a point. In fact, doom has ALL of the points.
Look at this fricking face. Think about the size of the ego that someone would have to have to make this face after what Doom said.
Even Namor was calling Chuck on his bullshit
>Aaaah you think racism is your ally. But you merely adopted mutant suprematism, I was born in it, molded by it. I didnt' spare a human until I was already a grown man.
What Wanda did for them already render Mr. Sinister obsolete.
Is juggernaut a mutant now
Honorary one.
Damn they really have been making Prodigy look more fruity in ever panel he appears in huh?
It’s a nice contrast to manly Synch.
You mean manly Frenzy?
Jubilee has become my favorite mutant. Out of all the crap that the writers come up with to happen, Jubes remains the more herself. All the X-Men have archetypes, but Jubes is still the accidental badass arcade girl who's got all the cool stuff and is willing to share. What do the other X-men have? Screwed up pathos, PTSD, and disasters happening. Nothing that you'd want to be there with them for.
What about her baby?
the rape baby should also be retconned to and timelapse the xmen back to the 92 TAS period
We're going to have to go back to that status quo for MCU synergy. Things are going to get reset hard soon.
Hence why the Supernatural shit i am schizoing of late.
it isn't going to be the X-men in general, is HARD Reset part 2.
I dunno about that, the MCU usually focuses on post-2000 shit, as recent as possible. Wouldn't be surprised if they were already thinking about "AvX: THE MOVIE", even though they got rid of the Avengers people cared about.
I think X-Men will be an exception to that. Later shit for X-Men is really convoluted I don't think they'll touch it out the gate. AvX is certainly going to happen sooner rather than later, but our first X-Men movie will be as simple as possible. Especially if they don't want to waste characters out the gate. I think we're very likely to see members of the O5 mixed with the Giant Sized team to form a very young group of characters doing what the general public expects the X-Men to do: Live in a mansion in upstate New York that also doubles as a school. Marvel will play it safe for X-Men they will not frick up a golden cow that could be a cinematic universe in and of itself.
Well there is the Xmen show coming out.
A sequel to the 90s cartoon, aka the safest thing Marvel Studios could have done with the property. Bank on the success of a beloved, nostalgic cartoon that leans heavily on the aesthetics of the 90s era instead of launching a new show.
Given the whole "population 0" page, I can only assume that Shogo gets killed too somehow. As well as the "immortality machine" mutants.
It's too bad that Shogo is Jubilee's "not-hers" baby, when it could have been anything from a baby Rachael to the reincarnation of Jean Grey. And then they went and did the Krakoa island crazyness, which undoes the need for a Sinister-created baby Jean. Rachael was a "whatever of future past" character who stayed in the past, so she had to get born someday.
Rachel will never get born in 616, she's an anomaly, a rare singular existence in the multiverse.
Eh it's not like they're following any rules.
But yeah, she was the Phoenix's daughter, and that ship has sailed, too.
Is this Krakoa shit over now? I have no idea what's going these days, I lost all interest in the X-Men the moment Hickman got within 100 miles of them
Is over anon.
Shit made Mutant Massacre and M-Day look like a walk in the park
It's not over dummies. The Fall of X books will ship through the end of the year. Maybe after that there will be a finale book, but we don't even know. Don't expect a real new direction until maybe next spring.
It's only the start of the final act.
>franchise full of gays, nignogs, fat c**ts, ugly rainbow hair, fem versions of establish heroes, shitty segregationist politics, cringey bullshit such as pic related, awful, AWFUL plot developments and "grey" character writing that reeks of Game of Thrones copycat syndrome
Frick this garbage straight to hell. I hope Kevin Feige and CB Cebulski both suffer painful heart attacks and I hope Marvel completely tanks. They deserve it.
aren’t famous celebrities invited to every gala?
which ones died?
Sinead O'connor.
There was an Irish ambassador that spoke up and was murdered that wa drawn to look like comic artist Declan Shalvey
Hey a question, there's the whole thing with the supposed murders that were pinned on Kurt, causing him to leave Krakoa. They mentioned them at the end of Sons of X, but has anything else been said or shown about them in any other books?
They were on panel in that one shot.
Oh shit, you're right. Now I feel moronic.
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/checklist-for-x-mens-the-fall-of-x-from-marvel-in-august-2023/
I have not kept up with the comics in years and learned of whatever happened with the x-men as I pass through Cinemaphile just lurking by...
So if I get this correctly:
Krakoa is a magical living island, kaiju thingy where the X-men decided to lived at after Dr. Moira told Xavier and Magneto she essentially had a bad dream (muties killed and bad ends on every reality or timeline she lived).
Krakoa for some reason allows dead mutants to come back to life, soul and all, no clones or anything like that, you can pluck them from the afterlife just like that.
Krakoa is formed by every red flag.
Hickman is told "that will do pig" and he is not allowed to wrap up his own run.
A bunch of stupid degeneracy happens in how many years? How old old is this Krakoa schtick? 4? 5 years of this crap? I could swear it started in 2017...anyhow.
Fast Forward...
Nimrod can just drop in like that.
No one can stop this very stoppable fricking robot.
Xavier tells everyone to go through the gates of krakoa that have been tampered with to teleport everyone into the blender dimension, rick and morty style.
Only the popular mutants survive.
and this is how we get the reboot for the MCU movies.
Is that correct?
Aside from the facetiousness, picrel
Only notes are that Nimrod dropped in on a different island they have for the galas, not onto Krakoa, and the millions of mutants are most certainly not dead, Xavier just thinks that. They're probably in other realms (some are confirmed to be in one of the Thor realms) or captured by Mother Righteous on this piece of Krakoa she stole with magic.
It's comics so they're all coming back eventually and yet a part of me wishes Gwen were actually dead so people that aren't Hastings could stop writing her
Gwenpool would probably just unwrite herself being a mutant as soon as it became apparent that yet another genosha was happening anyway
Gwen's powers only work when she's actually drawn. No off-screen retcons allowed.
What about an on-screen retcon?
>mass funeral for all the dead mutants
>eulogy montage
>someone steps up to talk about Gwen
>flashback panel
>she jumps out of it like nothing happened
>doesn't even know anything went wrong since she wasn't drawn to experience it
>suddenly standing in the middle of a giant wake
Just imagine the kinography.
Krakoa was always a terrible idea that could only ever end terribly
In a TV show, this would all be a really big deal. In comics, it doesn't mean anything, even to the few fans that are left. Decades of weak editorial allowing people to come in and do whatever they wanted no matter how stupid have in turn necessitated decades of retcons to get the IP back into a usable state, and created an environment where "must-read" doesn't exist, because nothing actually matters. Even someone who is a big enough X-Men fan and comic fan to be on the comic book Cinemaphile and posting in this thread couldn't care less, because none of it means anything. And the writing is so bad, and the idea so stupid, that the only thing worse would be if it actually did mean something, and all this garbage really stuck.
I hate that he's right, but he's right.
The only interesting things for this isn't how rich-idiot the x-men are being, but how they'll go about losing an entire island paradise and go back to the School for Gifted mutants. That, and the few characters worth following, like Jubilee and Sinister.
I only read this to make sure my waifu didn't die. Now that I know she didn't even appear I don't give a frick about any of it.
It's always been especially bad for the X-Men. Even in the 80s and 90s characters were cracking jokes about X-Men not staying dead. DC escaped this for a good while since they let big name heroes like Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan, and Barry Allen stay dead for quite a long period of time but sadly those days are gone. That said, still not as bad as Marvel. Marvel kills characters and announces their fricking return a week later.
>In a TV show, this would all be a really big deal
More than 35% of the X-Men were dead before Krakoa started. It don't matter. None of this matters.
The most tedious thing about this is the minute Scott said he couldn't feel his legs I just sighed and figured oh he's the leader in a wheelchair now huh
Yeah. Considering the FCBD issue with the actual fight came out so long ago, and in it we saw the new Cap Krakoa beat the shit out of him and throw him out of the treehouse, I thought he was gonna die for sure.
Now turns out he's alive and oooh yeah they're turning him into Xavier.
I wonder what musical chair is Xavier gonna take. Mags'? Paco?
nice thread