Why did no one tell Viv that this was an over designed mess? Hell I even saw Helluva Boss fans complaining about how ridiculous it was. Really feels like the fan base is waking up and realizing Viv really needs some people around her to put her on a tight leash
>Why did no one tell Viv that this was an over designed mess?
I'm not a fan of Vivzie, I don't like this shit cartoon, but how can you people not understand that this IS the appeal? Her whole work is Circa 2002 DeviantART: The Cartoon, the exact appeal with Vivzie is specifically that she brought to life that convoluted sparkledog aesthetic.
Back when Hazin Hotel was getting funds (When was it again? Must've been at least 5 or 6 years ago) there were fundamentally three camps: it's shit, it's shit but at least she's making something that isn't CalArts beanmouth shit, and "this reminds me of early DeviantART".
>the exact appeal with Vivzie is specifically that she brought to life that convoluted sparkledog aesthetic
sure, but most of the characters in Helluva Boss didn't go full-in eyerape deviantart furry OC. in fact, many of them are okay with a healthy dose of deviantart energy balanced with at least some amount of stylistic coherence. I thought she improved since Hazbin in that respect, even if not when it comes to writing...
but this damn design is just a full-on unironic sparkledog in all its cringy, horrid looking when animated glory
It's more like she can do good design work when she's not being a tryhard, but she absolutely can't contain herself when it comes to her precious important characters that she wants celebs she admires to voice act for..
Those wide, feminine hips, and that coy smile.
Her cynical sense of humor, and her sperg-tendencies. Small sized breasts, ideal body shape for snuggling.
She's pretty much made for us. Plus, that hairstyle is fricking hot.
Because if anyone criticized her work she’d accuse them of not liking it because they’re “____-phobic” and fire them then b***h about them to others in private.
>Why did no one tell Viv that this was an over designed mess?
They do and she specifically doubles down on it because she admits to not taking criticism well.
Wait a minute.
Her name is Queen BEE?
As in Queen BEELZEBUB?
And Vivienne knew this, and decided to make another fricking generic furry instead of a bee or a fly because god forbid we get an insect demon?
Are you fricking for real?
>Vivzie gets her Die Young video taken down >Vivzie does everything possible to keep capitalizing it anyways >Vivie writes an entire episode (a supposed season finale mind you) around Kesha >Virzie even get Kesha herself to voice Beelzebub >Vinvie even design Beel around the Die Young video protagonist instead of flies as Beel is used to >Vavzi even have the privilege to get Kesha to actually write a song for the show >Vinkie even gets the whole episode hold in legal issues 'cause of all troubles her hubris is causing >all this just for the WORST episode to date.
I don't think I've ever seen a design get completely mogged so quick and is fricking hilarious
Seeing the salt from Vivziepoopoopeepee and her fans is the icing on the cake
why is beelzebub even supposed to be a bee and not a fly?
although her looking like a bee instead of a sparkledog with wings and extra arms would be preferable. I literally didn't register that was beelzebub until after watching the episode
It'll never not be funny that games like Helltaker and a shota eroge can do Beelzebub better than something who's entire appeal started as 'this show takes place in Hell.'
The music video was really fricking annoying. They didn't have time to explain why Loona felt like she wasn't good enough to go to a party, because viv demanded that shit.
I feel like the only thing that might explain Loona, was at the beginning when the poodle showed a picture of Loona throwing up at a previous party. Which is why she doesn't drink in the episode and she tells Tex that "you wouldn't like her after one drink." I think what I don't like is the very minute we see Loona actually start to have fun, she has to leave because Blitzo was having too much fun for Gluttony Princess liking. Nor do we get to see Loona actually bonding with these new "friends" she apparently made at the party.
They’re giving Loona self esteem issues when it felt like she was just generally unhappy with her step dad and really apathetic in the beginning. I don’t know why they felt the need to go that direction. Maybe cause it was easier to write?
Satan mean "adversary", I said it in a past thread, anyone can be a satan, even and angel testing a human, or a demon tempting someone, Viv just made him into a especific character instead
I think it's because during the times where you didn't know how to read, which means you were pretty dumb, simplifying who was the 'enemy' was easier for the church and everything
Satan mean "adversary", I said it in a past thread, anyone can be a satan, even and angel testing a human, or a demon tempting someone, Viv just made him into a especific character instead
>Viv just made him into a especific character instead
Not really Viv's idea m8
Lucifer and Satan are two names thrown in the bible at different times, which the christian tradition has made to be the same being.
It's then that later occultists within an outside the church wanted to establish rankings in hell, because even back then people were into tierlists, and so a popular classification decided that hell has 7 demon lords governing over each deadly sin, and he put Lucifer and Satan among them.
the name "morning star, bearer of light" appears, but is not identified with Satan or a demon, just some mocking term used for a pagan king
I think later bible fanfics like Inferno and Paradise Lost cemented this idea
Lucifer didn't appear until an early Bishop named Lucifer criticized the Church's rising corruption and was very vocal about how it was going to turn into a big problem if not addressed. He was openly critical of a lot of his higher ups.
a symbol of giving for a creature that only cares for gold? What the frick.
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They really should have worked harder on their theming for the Hell rings and their rulers/inhabitants.
Like, clearly Mammon is a clown and yet we've seen the Greed ring and it seems like the native demons are the sharks.
None of this jives.
I'm guessing he's suppose to have a casino motif, he's some kind of jack.
>Loona ends an episode we were supposed to get a year and a half ago closer than ever to Blitz, calls him "dad" and is physically affectionate with him >Season two has her fighting against Blitz, throwing stuff at him and kicking him in the balls and treating him like shit once again
So what happened? Was Loona getting too popular, and they had to nerf her? Or can the show not decide whether they want sympathetic characters or edgy cartoon butthole characters, and the answer was let the audience suffer the tonal whiplash with both?
New writer most likely. He joined in S2.
I just think Loona doesn't like to be touched. She's rather chill with him until her gets touchy.
Makes sense, since she grew up in an orphanage and was probably assaulted.
In that episode with Verosika, she only growled at him for hugging her in the beginning IIRC.
>Leviathan: deep-sea horror creature >Belphegor: giant goat >Satan: Imp, but bigger and scarier and with more muscles >Mammon: clown
I can see a trend with the princes looking a lot like their underlings >or rather: their underlings look like them
with exceptions like Ozzie and Lucifer
Nah, he's just gonna be a regular-ass dude in a suit who just so happens to have goat ears and horns. Hazbin and Helluva are probably one of the few series I've seen where all the OCs are way better designed than the canon characters.
Speaking of Charlie. She's the princess of all hell, only below her parents, and yet the plot for HH has her OPENLY MOCKED ON TV by little shit sinners. Nobody fricking respects her despite her nea absolute power over their fates, and she somehow has to relly on a mere overlord like Alastor to work on her business.
That's the premise of Hazbin. The actual fricking premise of the main show relies on utter nonsense given the rules of the setting as presented by the author.
Charlie is the original Beelzebub, and Beelzebub is nothing more than another instance of a much older problem. Their role in the plot makes no sense whatsoever with their social stations, but they're still given those positions... just because.
It's kinda weird that she's theoretically stronger than pretty much any character shown onscreen except for Lucifer and MAYBE the exterminators and angels, while also outranking them pretty severely, but she's the meek little underdog. Kinda takes away Alastor's malice and "I would have done so already" moment if he could have gotten fricked up the instant Charlie opened the door.
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What is the evidence she's a former angel? Don't we literally know her backstory?
She has a name that's so dumb it could only be an angel name, she has an angel's spear that nobody really comments on, and her left eye is missing.
Viv will absolutely not be clever enough to do ANYTHING with her character other than her loving Charlie, being angry at everyon else, and being a fallen angel, it all tracks.
>Loona calls someone a b***h >the whole crowd is horrified as if she just said the n-word, Loona gets upset >literally 10 seconds later Kesha calls everyone b***hes, crowd doesn't care >no reaction from Loona at all
In a normal show Loona might give an exasperated response like "Why is she allowed to say it?", which would serve both as a joke and set-up for the imminent reveal that Bee is a bigwig on the social hierarchy. But I truly believe the writers of this show were just too dumb to even notice the contradiction.
All the dialouge was choppy and confusing. They made it confusing as to if everyone there didn't really like Loona, or if Loona just felt like everyone there didn't like her.
I bet they noticed, but I also bet they had to cut that shit because they wanted to make 90% of the show a music video for an artist that doesn't even fit the hellhound aesthetic.
>make an episode about the most bland character to flesh her out better >blitzo steals the show because luna's character is just being angry and b***hy
well done well done, now have blitzo jump in the puddle that is luna's personality and make the episode about her to be about their father-daughter relationship instead
But anon, Blitzo is just... so cool. Did you not see how he outdrank the Deadly Sin of Gluttony and earned her respect in front of an audience? Just... wow.
blitzo is not cool blitzo is just a manlet father figure for a bunch of socially inept morons that is supposed to be their caretaker but who is as awful at social interactions as the rest of them, blitzo is "better character" because they default scenes to him left and right because the imps are also boring as frick, the imp couples entire character is build around them being a couple (the guy imp at least gets some kind of whimpy backstory and """character growth""" in the widest possibly sense of the word)
luna is the ugly duckling of the posse that has no one to play off of, the closest they got to giving her character was having her interact with the emo owl and even then it just fizzled out into "you know what, dads are humans too you know" as if that's somehow a revelation to anyone but the most infantile spoiled babies
the helluva boss is literally just about blitzo being tossed scenes and his forced love affair with the gay owl thing
But we already got that episode in Season 2, episode 2. Seeing Stars.
mmwah, now tell me what character growth or depth did luna display in it
She can connect with Octavia about fathers who love them but are shit people. Tells her that her dad does care and tries his best despite the crazy stuff happening around them. And at the end of the day, Loona still beats the ever loving shit out of Blitz. But hey, at least she becomes mute later on in Season 2.
when they introduced wolf baby to the show i was expecting a better character with more depth, her character design is good and there was potential there with the backstory, they just literally don't know what to do with the character because the writers are lazy hacks making literal fanfiction tier writing about blitzo and gay owl, once it goes anywhere outside of that they derail into weird bullshit
Loona*
You're a big boy, you can spell it right.
i literally don't give enough of a shit about the character to even spell her name right, only thing she has going for her is her aesthetic and that is not enough to make me give a shit about the poorly written grumpy side piece used for slapstick and troubles of teenage growing up
>i literally don't give enough of a shit about the character to even spell her name right
Then I don't give enough of a shit about your point to take it seriously.
10 months ago
Anonymous
if you want people to be invested in the characters write them better, even a dislikeable character can be well written if you give them depth and nuance
baby wolf: daughter, grumpy, b***hy, use for slap stick
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you want me to be invested in your argument don't go out of your way to make yourself sound moronic. Simple as.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>don't like my shallow eroge fuel character? you must be moronic
ill give a shit when they learn to write good characters
Doesn't help that in the flashback we see that Blitz adopted Loona because he felt sorry for her living conditions and that she would be euthanized. Some could see Blitz being overbearing just because she is near adulthood. But others can argue that he basically saved her life, so she should be grateful she wont' meet death's door upon.
>a manprostitute with a heart of gold
bingo, even that became a jumping block for blitzo's character "not being all that bad"
10 months ago
Anonymous
Way to miss the point, I see you weren't only pretending to be moronic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>if i call him moronic enough times, maybe he'll stop replying to me and i can claim i won something
i think it's working
10 months ago
Anonymous
Stay mad that I didn't rush to defend your strawman, illiterate.
Doesn't help that in the flashback we see that Blitz adopted Loona because he felt sorry for her living conditions and that she would be euthanized. Some could see Blitz being overbearing just because she is near adulthood. But others can argue that he basically saved her life, so she should be grateful she wont' meet death's door upon.
>Queen of Glutonny can tell that Blitzo isn't having a good time at the party because ""vibes"" >Apparently she can't tell that Loona, who's been there longer and is literally cringing at every social interaction isn't having fun or comfortable either.
This is the Blitzo & co show. If your name isn't Blitzo or Stolas, you might as well be there to polish those two shoes at this point.
>Hellhound doesn't have anxiety around humans
Why would Loona care what humans think? She's supposed to kill them.
No, take the way she constantly treats those closest around her. Every time they show affection, she does something to brush it off because she can't handle it. She doesn't know how, a common sign of social anxiety.
Then, in spring broken, the same episode which 'proves' your dumbass 'point' she absolutely spills all of her spaghettis in front of vortex, but only approaches him after stressing about her makeup. Not to mention, while she is excited to meet new people, she constantly afraid of what other hellhounds might think of her.
I saw this shit coming from miles off, it's why I like her so much. I can't tell if you are fricking with me, or are just that clueless.
>Every time they show affection, she does something to brush it off because she can't handle it.
No shes just a b***h, Moxxie shows more traits of someone having SAD than Loona ffs
10 months ago
Loonanon
I know very well what social anxiety looks like. I'll save you the story. She has major trust issues, and social anxiety from being in an orphanage where she was told she wasn't good enough.
She checks every box, dude. I don't know what you are talking about.
>"I absolutely must get Kesha to make a cameo in my show" >delayed 600+ days because of legal trouble >Kesha's voice acting sucks >the song Kesha wrote sucks >Kesha doesn't even sing it >the best part is that Viv made Kesha's character a fricking deadly sin when just a generic pop star character would've sufficed for the story's purposes >because assuredly Kesha will never return, either this major deadly sin will never appear in a Vivzieverse show again, or will be recast >also Beelzebub is a sparklefox now even though everyone on earth knows he's purely associated with insects
I thought it was fun, but I was too pissed that this thread tricked me into thinking someone named "Bee" was going to be the hot bee I saw posted here. Frick you guys.
You just know she’s so mad. I wonder if she’ll be this mad too when Hazbin underperforms because of everyone got their fill of Vivzie’s content and writing.
See this is Viv’s issue. She takes criticism so damn personal that she will openly insult her fanbase over it. And really, Brandon Rogers could be the bigger man and tell Viv to knock it the frick off, but we all know he won’t because he’s a fricking pussy
>Vivziepop considers Beelzebub's original fly design to be stinky "Bible fanart"
Unironically frick off.
Why is a demon of gluttony meant to be making sure people don't overindulge? And why do the staff always write in this identical, overly-positive manner?
What are the odds that vivienne sent out a message to her employees/friends whining about the hate and told them to post this shit?
>Vivziepop considers Beelzebub's original fly design to be stinky "Bible fanart"
Unironically frick off.
I'm fine with her using a bee to represent Beelzebub but the thing is the final design is just another sparkledog with a vague bee motif. It just unironically sucks, this is coming from someone who doesn't mind the hellhound/Jayjay designs all that much. Beelzemon doesn't resemble the original Beelzebub (who isn't always depicted as a fly either), but his design isn't terrible like this. Maybe she used to be a normal hellhound that ended up absorbing the powers (and traits) of the original Beelzebub and that's why nobody's commenting on why a demon lord would date one.
I do hate the design they went with. this show has lots of too busy character designs that look bad in motion, but this one is the worst by far, pure eyerape
but yeah, it wouldn't be that bad if it was supposed to be some hellhound honcho, not goddamn beelzebub
Not a bugfricker myself, but it sure is rich for the shamless furgay making a cartoon all about celebrating rampant degeneracy is trying to kinkshame people who like the stinky fly.
And that's bad because???? Is Viv that much of an r/atheism user?
>Loona calls someone a b***h >the whole crowd is horrified as if she just said the n-word, Loona gets upset >literally 10 seconds later Kesha calls everyone b***hes, crowd doesn't care >no reaction from Loona at all
In a normal show Loona might give an exasperated response like "Why is she allowed to say it?", which would serve both as a joke and set-up for the imminent reveal that Bee is a bigwig on the social hierarchy. But I truly believe the writers of this show were just too dumb to even notice the contradiction.
I was thinking the same. It's amazing how many things in this show could be fixed with a few expressions or lines of extra dialogue.
>Asmodeus looks nothing like old art >still manages to not only be unique to the rest of the cast, but actually retain at least a little design detail from it by having the two smaller heads >all Beelzebub has is tiny-ass, barely visible insect wings while the rest of her design is just an ugly garish hellhound
Motherfricker you already designed actual bees for the cherubs. Do that, but as demon actually worth a damn, given it's a fricking prince of hell.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO FRICKING MAKE AN INTERPRETATION OF BEELZEBUB AT LEAST MAKE IT BELIEVABLE.
THIS IS NOT A BUG IT'S A GOD DAMN FURRY. BEELZEBUB IS A FLY. NOT A FOX. NOT A WOLF. A FLY.
FRICK OFF VIVIENNE NOT EVERYONE IS INVESTED IN JUST YOUR RAINBOW VOMIT FURhomosexualRY. For someone who is heavily invested in religion and demons, this latino prostitute sure doesn't want to stick to the source material.
That's even setting aside the fact that she's the embodiment of Gluttony and...she's worried Blitzo is indulging himself to much? What now? Huh? Why?
Agreeing with the others on it being shit, but I figured it was gluttony for the wrong reasons that she wasn't into. Like binging for the sake of binging over drowning sorrows
Well, when I saw that, and she said: >I can taste the flavor of the people at my parties
what if she literally can? What if she feeds off that shit?
What if blitzo was causing gay trouble, causing people to be uncomfortable, and it was actually having an impact of what bee recieved.
Just a thought.
show dont tell
have a few or even one sight gag of blitz puking down someones throat or visibly cursing them with his depression aura
cuz then you dont have a muddled "whoa he's TOO gluttonous even for me" that needs exposition instead
Yeah, for real, all we see is him making out with some rando. It's not like he's crashing the party. They could have had him acting like an butthole, killing the vibe, making people leave, etc.
But I guess we needed all the animation for the musical number.
If you have to jump through this many hoops to fix Viv's writing it only makes it clearer how shit her writing actually is.
I'm not saying it is good writing.
I hope she gets fired, that episode hurt because I feel like they wanted to do more character development with Loona, but didn't because of 'cotton candy'
>yfw bee doubles down and puts her hand on loona's head as she schlurps you up
I don't care about bee, I just want to kiss Loona.
this, it was extremely out of the blue
I thought he would get alcohol poisoning or something, but he really wasn't doing anything bad, just making out consensually with other imps. they could have shown him being more of a mess
Well, when I saw that, and she said: >I can taste the flavor of the people at my parties
what if she literally can? What if she feeds off that shit?
What if blitzo was causing gay trouble, causing people to be uncomfortable, and it was actually having an impact of what bee recieved.
Just a thought.
But when we meet up with Blitz from Loona's perspective, he didn't seem to be causing trouble besides making tongue with one rando imp.
Yeah the whole thing gave off the vibe that Bee doesn't allow sex to happen at her parties because there's a lot of substance usage going on. Which is such a fricking statement to how kid-friendly this universe has become, lol. Like if they wanted to go with that angle she could've come across as less of an afterschool PSA character.
Even the fat community is pissed off at her, basically saying she took the concept and completely messed it up. Also they’re calling out how all her body types are now literally copy and paste. The criticism is getting way worse and Viv is going to crack sooner or later.
She fricking deserves it.
This is another rare occurrence where Twitter and Cinemaphile agree on something.
Vivienne fricking sucks at demon representation and her ego is bigger than the god damn sun.
is there any proof that beelzebub is canonically an insect? dantes inferno is not canon religious lore and afaik no religion actually describes beelzebub's appearance + even if it did, idc because the entire show is artistic license cause its all based off dante's inferno
>is there any proof that beelzebub is canonically an insect
his name is usually translated as "lord of the flies", so there should be some sort of fly motif or fly power at least. and that's how he's usually depicted in all the occultist tradition that describes all the demons
there is no "canonical" appearance for demons at all AFAIK, except for the Beast with lotsa horns, Leviathan and Behemoth
Yeah that doesn't fit the show's aesthetic though. Hell isn't actually scary, it's cute and quirky. I guess we should've taken Angel Dust's design as a sign lol. It's honestly telling how uncreative Vivzie is that she can't think of a way to make bugs/insects cute without slapping a bunch of fur of them.
>is there any proof that beelzebub is canonically an insect? dantes inferno is not canon religious lore and afaik no religion actually describes beelzebub's appearance + even if it did, idc because the entire show is artistic license cause its all based off dante's inferno
Beelzebub is a mockery of "Ba'al Haddad" or just "Ba'al" a semitic deity whose name translates to "lord" and was is common to most semitic languages, even in modern day arabic, "Ba'al"/"بعل" translates to husband. Ba'al-Zebub means "lord of flies" and "Ba'al-Zebul" means "lord of shit" because the Hebrew Prophet Elias mocks the Baalites saying that their god is no true god, and is lord of nothing but flies and dung. A long time later medieval european christians began depicting baal/belzebub as a demon and agent of satan and thats where the fly shit comes from.
TLDR Baal isnt a demon, hes just a false idol mockingly associated with flies and excreta, so technically he IS canonically a fly. If you want the OG semitic Baal, hes described in israeli and muslim sources as a giant golden statue or some shit. May or may not have had bull motifs.
to add to this, muslim sources claim he had four faces. In old semitic religions "Ba'al" was the title of the storm deity "Haddad" but the babylonians used "Bel" as a title for Marduk. There is also "Ba'al Hammon" worshipped by the Tyrians of Carthage. In general the Beelzebub of pop culture is the hebrew caricature of what is likely Baal Haddad. Also "Ba'lah"/"بعلة" translates to wife in Arabic
I would have taken a bee or some kind of ambiguous insect, not a bug-dog. Why make her part dog and not a sexy insect lady? Viv’s style can make bugs appealing, we’ve seen this. Why make her a dog-bug?!
Why will Viv never understand my bug fetish... Does she not know how hip it is to frick bees? The design could've gone in this direction instead and mix both fly and bee parts together or something, but no, Viv only wants canine penis...
Someone should tell her that she shouldn't base her entire work on already prestablished work if she doesn't want to follow its descriptions and characters.
Why is a demon of gluttony meant to be making sure people don't overindulge? And why do the staff always write in this identical, overly-positive manner?
But the entire point of gluttony as a sin is about never being content with what you have? You just keep indulging yourself in shit again and again without ever really stopping. So why the frick would a demon of gluttony give a frick about having a good control of over consumption
Ozzie at least adheres to his theme of lust. He doesn't want any lovey dovey shit, and he seemed to enjoy the debauchery of Stolas choosing to frick his life just to get dicked down by an Imp.
In Bee's case she just comes off as a regular fricking party girl.
I guess for a demon of lust what's more rauchy than vanilla ass hand-holding and intimacy outside of sex. Not that I think the writers would ever write it from that angle.
But the entire point of gluttony as a sin is about never being content with what you have? You just keep indulging yourself in shit again and again without ever really stopping. So why the frick would a demon of gluttony give a frick about having a good control of over consumption
The way I try to rationalize this is that she didn't want Blitzo fricking up the vibe and turning people off. That's also the reason why I think the demon lord of gluttony somehow lost to Brandon's self insert, she could sense him being a problem and wanted him to gtfo. I know none of this is true and she's just another good demon (because Kesha) but I'd like for it to be.
I think the real kicker is that she could've even be bothered to both the skull and crossbones on Bee's wings. Something like that would've at least been some kind of reference to this art, not unlike Asmodeus' smaller heads.
But given how tiny and pathetic Bee's wings are, probably couldn't fit them even if she tried.
I would think on design like this. Normally Beelzebub has a form of anthro Bee, but out of her mouth can come out a second body that is in form of a fly and is attached to the tongue like a leash and this fly form has the same thing, but a butterlfy comes out. All three can act independently, but one may consume the others given how they feel. Bee one could just be called Queen Bee, fly would be Lynzi (Flynzi) and last one just Bub (bub the butterfly, I know comedy death). This could tie in with Cerberus with 3 heads and a leash and make her feel unique (also 3 bug wives in one package).
what the frick I didnt even realize she was supposed to be Beelzebub until I came to this thread. Granted that I kind of speedwatched but there was nothing that could tip me off besides her nickname. What a shitfest.
Can someone please tell me im not the only one who felt the animation in this one so choppy and bad? Or it was the awful pacing (for a party episode even)
>I am sorry to admit that Vivzie draws some hot females. I want to have sex with Loona like you wouldn't believe
I believe it, bro.
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They really should have worked harder on their theming for the Hell rings and their rulers/inhabitants.
Like, clearly Mammon is a clown and yet we've seen the Greed ring and it seems like the native demons are the sharks.
None of this jives.
This doesn't jive at all. Mammon had such a cool fricking story. Mammon didn't give two shits that he was cast down from heaven, he just immediately started digging for gold in hell, realizing that no one else had made it rare yet.
You could see the clown thing for Mammon if they had stuck to it. Ok - first time we see the Greed Ring is when they go to Loo Loo Land and we see that it's a theme park designed just to scam as much money out of the patrons as possible. That works for greed! And a clown theme works for a theme park setting!
Next time we see Greed it's run by the mafia and full of sharks.
I mean. You could make the argument of 'loan sharks' fitting the theme of greed. Mafia being greedy can work, but outside of Crimson making a comment about needing money, it was really more wrathful than anything.
There's just a disconnect when you don't have those two elements of sharks/mafia and theme park mingle or reference each other at all. A mafia-run theme park would work perfectly fine.
The fact that Vivzie is going around liking tweets shitting on people criticizing Bee's design is like, shockingly immature. You never saw Dana Terrace or Rebecca Sugar or hell even Noelle Stevenson doing shit like that. Can this b***h just not take criticism?
You know how she could have easily avoided this? We already know that the stronger demons can shapeshift. When we first see Paimon we see him shift through various animal forms before deciding on an owl because Stolas is there.
How about, when we first see Bee she does the same thing, but goes for a dog form because it's a party full of Hellhounds? You could even go a little further - make her body a swarm of bees or flies that configure into the desired form.
Use the lore you've already created and build on it!
The fact that Vivzie is going around liking tweets shitting on people criticizing Bee's design is like, shockingly immature. You never saw Dana Terrace or Rebecca Sugar or hell even Noelle Stevenson doing shit like that. Can this b***h just not take criticism?
>The fact that Vivzie is going around liking tweets shitting on people criticizing Bee's design is like, shockingly immature. >liking tweet that support her >immature
Not really. That's reasonable.
>You never saw Dana Terrace or Rebecca Sugar or hell even Noelle Stevenson doing shit like that
Because it create whinny b***hes they wouldn't want to deal with. Vizize, has no issue with people getting upset by her liking tweets.
>Can this b***h just not take criticism?
I mean, she did go on an entire rant a few months back all because people started shipping Charlie and Alastor together, and when people were telling her to lighten up on the gay demon drama between Blitz and Stolas.
I figured Bee just couldn't do away with some aspects of herself - the multiple arms or the wings for example - given that Beez is mentioned as potentially one of the Fallen as well. The thinness is simple enough too - who do you hate more, the fat frick shoving food down their throat, or the person who can eat a damn cow and never gain a pound? And on gluttony, it seemed more like a mood thing - a preference for overdoing it in the pursuit of pleasure over self hate. Then you get more people drawn in instead of becoming a sad fat frick.
>The thinness is simple enough too - who do you hate more, the fat frick shoving food down their throat, or the person who can eat a damn cow and never gain a pound?
Funny you say that. Vivzie just said that the weird colorful abdomen is supposed to be a lava lamp to rapidly eat food or something.
>Vivienne cares more about getting a celebrity on board than having believable writing or good character designs.
Thank god I dropped this show after Truth Seekers. This b***h can only draw like 2 bodytypes.
>Loona ends an episode we were supposed to get a year and a half ago closer than ever to Blitz, calls him "dad" and is physically affectionate with him >Season two has her fighting against Blitz, throwing stuff at him and kicking him in the balls and treating him like shit once again
So what happened? Was Loona getting too popular, and they had to nerf her? Or can the show not decide whether they want sympathetic characters or edgy cartoon butthole characters, and the answer was let the audience suffer the tonal whiplash with both?
I was expecting something to happen here to explain Loona viciously abusing Blitzo in S2 but nothing happens. He doesn’t embarrass her in front of everyone, she doesn’t have to handle a crisis he caused, she escorts him home and gives him a loving little pat. It’s fine for character development after Seeing Stars but given it was intended to release before S2 is makes me wonder what the frick were the writers thinking.
>So what happened?
What happened is one of Brandon's buddies named Adam was brought on to write for season 2 and he thinks that Loona being a violent b***h = comedy.
>Adam
This fricker, the only reason he isn't fired yet is 'cause he keeps validating every negative aspect of Vivzie's shit ass writing, instead of criticizing her and making her revisit and fix her writing mistakes.
Adam is the worst writer in the whole staff and that's saying a lot, he's worse than Vivzie. He's more busy at making excuses on Twitter, even more than Vivienne herself.
>Fizzarolli made some kind of deal with Mammon, making some kind of connection with Mammon's clown aesthetic and Fizz's >Bee could've just been a hellhound that made a deal with the actual Beelzebub, giving her her super mild bee traits and explaining why she's so different from other hellhounds, and so works as pop star spreading the idea of gluttony for Beelzebub, but still has limits
Boom. Fixed.
yeah she just doesn't fit into the worldbuilding at all. the musical number maybe, but dating a hellhound?
it would make sense for the prince of lust to have some fetishs for fricking lower class people, but for any of the other princess it should be even more scandalous than for stolas, right?
and I mean, just think of the power imbalance in the relationship
this is like the president of a country dating some mexican janitor
>a party hoested be the queen of Gluttony >its the most TAMED party so far >everyone eat and drink ''safe'' food, nobody giving up to desire and eating/drinking in excess >Blitzo show up, he literally embodies gluttony, drinking in excess to the point of win a competition with the queen, have a orgy, after orgy. >the queen have a problem with it and emand him to leave.
I SORRY BUT, dont this place is suppose to be HELL!!!!!!
The fact that the people making this don't realize that sins are sins for a reason says it all.
Really this episode should have been her egging Blitzo on with his destructive patterns and Loona realising her dads in pain and taking him away from the party
Does viv have a fetish for large female wolves singing at parties? The only time creators are fixated on certain tropes like that is if it’s their poorly closeted fetish.
is anyone willing to re-draw beelzebub as a big bee lady somewhat resembling marilyn monroe or charlotte from the princess and the frog? since i fricking despise the current canon design
>in the times of the old testament especially everyone believed the afterlife was basically just a somewhat lame and sad place with no division into heaven and hell
From what I understand there *always* was a concept of Heaven, but it all boiled down to everyone doing nothing but singing eternal praises to God, while the closest thing to a concept of Hell was just being in a place only described as "where God is absent". It wasn't until later additions to the Bible introduced the concept of Hell as a place where sinful souls get tortured which is obviously borrowed from Islam (although in Islamic belief, sinful souls simply have to walk through purifying flames before they can enter Heaven, they're not tortured for eternity which just shows how fricking sadistic Christianity is at it's core when it comes to dealing with sinners).
>(although in Islamic belief, sinful souls simply have to walk through purifying flames before they can enter Heaven, they're not tortured for eternity which just shows how fricking sadistic Christianity is at it's core when it comes to dealing with sinners)
You musta skipped a verse, This applies to the believers only. If you do horrible acts while still being a muslim, you dont get into heaven (Paradise, actually, heaven is a thing in islam but its not where the good souls go) you first have to do your time in hell. If you dont believe in Allah, he gives you life in hell. And makes you immortal
>God here, I gave you and Eve some free will stuff, Adam. If you use it I'll make you billions of humans that didn't make your choice suffer, many of which are going to suffer forever >But you could also yield your free will and become a perfect subservient praise singer to me, even though I didn't make you that >and if you don't have free will than it's literally impossible to actually sin since I made you do it, but if you do have free will you're bad for ever using it. So because you're free you're bad and I'm going to make you not-free >Satan here, if you think this is weird you HAVE TO join me and become my servant, and if you don't I'll rape you >but also if you become my servant God will rape us anyway
I was hoping the more I learned from religion the more sense things would make, not the other way around. Will we ever be free?
Like most religions it started out organizing the masses and teaching them proven behaviors that benefited the community. Not stealing or killing, educating yourself, working hard to create and provide for a big family was always the go-to model across most cultures in our species history.
But, like always, a couple of greddy sadistic frickers conned their way into power and ruined it for everyone.
Why are you making this about Christianity when the post was about Islam, a religion with completely different views on nearly everything you outlined in your post?
It's dumb as frick and turns the whole hierarchical structure of hell into a joke. And Viv doesn't get to call out the people b***hing about it, because she's the original loregay that designed the setting around this and made it an important plot element before.
I'm more bothered by the fact that a Hellhound holds a seemingly very high position in Hell. Not because "hurr durr filthy Hellhound" social hierarchy itself, but because it breaks that established canon that Hellhounds are the lowest ranking entities in Hell that are treated as pets at best and slaves at worst.
How in the frick is then a Hellhound in a respectable position in Hell, as a representation of one of the Seven Deadly Sins?
Not just that, Beelzebub herself is also obviously meant to be a Hellhound. The previous lore established that they're the lowest rung of society in Hell that barely has any rights, yet she's somehow able to hold such a high position as a representation of one of the Sins.
It's dumb as frick and turns the whole hierarchical structure of hell into a joke. And Viv doesn't get to call out the people b***hing about it, because she's the original loregay that designed the setting around this and made it an important plot element before.
The hierarchy has already been shat on repeatedly.
1. Charlie is dating a LITERAL SINNER. NOT EVEN A REAL DEMON. THE PRINCESS OF ALL HELL.
2. Moxie's dad commands theoretically stronger demons as part of his mafia warlord job.
3. Tex is fricking Bee, a Demon Lord.
4. Stolas is fricking Blitzo
If it was only one of these things, you could sweep it away as someone working really hard to improve their station(Moxies dad), or a scandalous thing(Stolas and Blitzo), but all together?
Ain't imps actually decently positioned even though they're small as frick? They're just the normal people of Hell. I can buy Moxie's dad.
Everyone in Hell but Charlie can probably tell that Vaggie is a fallen angel, which is as respectable as Lucifier himself, so I can buy that too.
What is the evidence she's a former angel? Don't we literally know her backstory?
She looks like an Angel, has Angel shit, has Angel angst, and has an Angel name. Occam's razor says her backstory is fake. Vivzie probably wants this to be a twist despite how obvious it is.
Ain't imps actually decently positioned even though they're small as frick? They're just the normal people of Hell. I can buy Moxie's dad.
Everyone in Hell but Charlie can probably tell that Vaggie is a fallen angel, which is as respectable as Lucifier himself, so I can buy that too.
Speaking of Charlie. She's the princess of all hell, only below her parents, and yet the plot for HH has her OPENLY MOCKED ON TV by little shit sinners. Nobody fricking respects her despite her nea absolute power over their fates, and she somehow has to relly on a mere overlord like Alastor to work on her business.
That's the premise of Hazbin. The actual fricking premise of the main show relies on utter nonsense given the rules of the setting as presented by the author.
Charlie is the original Beelzebub, and Beelzebub is nothing more than another instance of a much older problem. Their role in the plot makes no sense whatsoever with their social stations, but they're still given those positions... just because.
>She's the princess of all hell, only below her parents, and yet the plot for HH has her OPENLY MOCKED ON TV by little shit sinners. Nobody fricking respects her despite her nea absolute power over their fates, and she somehow has to relly on a mere overlord like Alastor to work on her business
Yeh I don't really get this.
Shouldn't they be fricking terrified she could call up a favor from one of the demon lords and have their asses annihilated?
>the plot for HH has her OPENLY MOCKED ON TV by little shit sinners
You expect literal sinners to give the damnest about authority? Theyre in fricking hell >but she can kill them
Sinners are essentially immortal aside from purges, why would they give a shit. If it was a hellborn I'd get your point, but that seems par to the course for sinners.
>Sinners are essentially immortal aside from purges, why would they give a shit.
Helluva Boss has already shown that fricking imps can get their hands on angelic weapons. What could possibly make you think that Lucifer and his family wouldn't have access to an entire armory's worth of the stuff, ready to delete any upstart sinner that looked at them funny?
If they've got an actual death wish then sure, I could get the disrespect as a method of suicide, but that certainly isn't how it comes across anon.
you assume that Lucifer actually supports Charlies idea and don't think it's moronic (like everybody else) and that Charlie has any sway by herself
10 months ago
Anonymous
Because it is moronic because it relies on expecting pieces of shit to change their ways instead of just editing their personalities to be good people instead. I mean Charlie could probably do that since shes a very high ranking demon.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>just editing their personalities
you assume that is even possible in the first place
10 months ago
Anonymous
You can edit a humans personality easily with drugs
10 months ago
Anonymous
GlowBlack folk already tried that and afaik they werent successful.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nah its possible. Find the right wienertail of strong enough psych meds and you can make someone a completely different person
10 months ago
Anonymous
>wienertail
No need for that, you can just regularly take thorazine alternatives till your brain fries
10 months ago
Anonymous
You really can’t. Thats why IRL psychiatric medicine composes a broad array of chemicals. what works for one person may not have the same effect on another.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Easy, you just mindbreak them for a few days and make them obedient.
They're in hell, you think there aren't tons of ways to torture a dude?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I mean Charlie could probably do that
She's lucifer's spawn, not fricking God's.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Lucifer's support for Charlie's stupid redemption project is irrelevant, because he has been described as caring for his daughter, so while he could just let her fail on her own, he won't just accept her being humiliated by the entirety of hell.
If he was a piece of shit to his daughter it would make sense, but Viv didn't make it so. Therefore, the situation is nonsense, because any demon or sinner that isn't suicidal would walk on eggshells around Charlie.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>he won't just accept her being humiliated by the entirety of hell.
it's called 'letting her learn from experience and mature on her own' and 'letting her fight her own battles'
Lucifer knows she won't ever mature into a proper demon princess if he keep cuddling and shielding her
10 months ago
Anonymous
But isnt Charlie like eons old?
10 months ago
Anonymous
no she isn't, accourding to Viv's streams she is about 200yo, but biologically and psychologically she is in her 20s
10 months ago
Anonymous
You mean to tell me in his infinite existence the devil decided to make daughter in the last 200 years, like wtf, Charlie should be older than human civilization since the devil backstabbed God a really really really long ass time ago probably before there were humans to begin with
10 months ago
Anonymous
Don't worry anon, they'll just explain it as the earth only being 1000 years old.
10 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair it's hard to imagine the devil having vanilla sex.
10 months ago
Anonymous
He had sex? I just assumed he conjured her out of nowhere since hes you know really fricking powerful, its the same way Yahweh created him after all.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Lilith is his wife and she had sex with him to make Charlie.
10 months ago
Anonymous
But hes the freaking devil? Why doe he have only one wife? Hes also pride that means an butthole that mean he should have an endless list of women he has fricked and fricked over for the lulz
10 months ago
Anonymous
Pic related, their family photo.
Apparently they're going with the Mystic israeli lore that Lilith was Adam's first wife and the first person to be sent to hell.
The devil then married her because she was the first human there
10 months ago
Anonymous
The devil in this case is just a pretty boy with daddy issues
10 months ago
Anonymous
Lucifer has always been a pretty boy with daddy issues
10 months ago
Anonymous
First Lilith had to convince him to actually frick her instead of having her pegging him, them she had to convince him to frick her in the pussy instead of in the ass, then convincing him to finish inside...
10 months ago
Anonymous
We know nothing about the dude except for that he cares about Charlie and apparently isn't 100% onboard with the hotel.
Quit your headcanons.
Can all sorts of angelic weapons kill the sinners, or only those wielded by the murder angels, has that been stablished?
Furthermore, is the fact that angelic weapons can be gotten common knowledge in hell?
If either is a no, or unknown, theres still plenty to justify a sinner not giving a shit.
>Sinners are essentially immortal aside from purges
She can painfully torture them in ways a normal human couldnt take. Immortallity is not on their side here
God doesnt give a shit if sinners are erased from existence right?
Alastor probably has more going on with him, but honestly, I'm just about done trying to rationalize anything about how this world operates.
Alastor's arrival changed the order of hell and caused widespread chaos, if Vaggie is to be believed.
I prefer to think Alastor is just this easily bored sociopathic old man that has nothing better to do than watch sinners try and fail to change, because hey, he's seen people suffer, but usually not in THAT way before.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of some plan to get some sort of ties with the princess of hel, or royal family or something.
Furries are afraid of anything that are canines or felines
Imagine having a entire community around liking anthropomorphic animals and you only choose the 2 most boring ones
true >look at our community based around creating your own animal OC! so many creative possibilities... >80% of them are just cats or dogs, maybe with weird eyerape colors and fetish shit at best
It says something when you need to be actively told this is supposed to be Hell. And I see what Viv I guess tries to go for, but it's not well done and it is BS. Beel is meant to be embodiment of Gluttony. One being that has no restraint about it because he (or she ins this case) is pretty much gluttony itself. Something that is basically an incarnation of said sin. A sin. Which means it should be more vile and out of control than what is presented here with this rather mid party.
They probably do, I imagine there are some badass constantine-style exorcists up there keeping the demons from doing annoying shit.
Also, hellhounds and imps don't seem to suffer in hell, because hell was made for them. They weren't cast down, they were just there. I bet earth is like hell for them.
Heaven's management feels like the worst of the bunch. While on Earth and in Hell you just have to deal with shitty upper management, Heaven seems to have purposefully inconsistent rules to abide. C.H.E.R.U.B. were tasked with saving the soul of an immoral, cruel and sadistic rich guy who (outside of few short-lived moments) showed no actual desire to repent (and despite their best efforts and implied long time of working for Heaven, they got banished when a falling piano crushed him), and yet a woman who was implied to be a loving wife and a good, kind teacher, got sent to Hell for killing her unfaithful husband.
I'm betting on Deerie being the main antagonist when it comes to Heaven later on in the series, given that she seems to be running things and has enough authority to banish C.H.E.R.U.B..
Well I mean angels are literally programmed to obey God so they probably get pleasure just doing their jobs unlike us humans. CHERUB was losing their shit at the thought of not having any divine jobs to do.
I feel like the only thing that might explain Loona, was at the beginning when the poodle showed a picture of Loona throwing up at a previous party. Which is why she doesn't drink in the episode and she tells Tex that "you wouldn't like her after one drink." I think what I don't like is the very minute we see Loona actually start to have fun, she has to leave because Blitzo was having too much fun for Gluttony Princess liking. Nor do we get to see Loona actually bonding with these new "friends" she apparently made at the party.
Yeah, that really annoyed me too, but you can see Loona getting defensive at every little thing at the party. I think she just felt no one liked her there, and that she would only get worse by drinking.
I have SAD and no we dont act like that, if you can actually get hostile towards people it means you are actually narcissistic not anxious. SAD make you become sad and mopey around groups of people you start mindlessly comparing yourself to them further demoralizing you into submission
Yes I am, Loona is just a moody b***h not anxious. The fact she went total normie after Blitzo showed up showed she was narcissistic and triggered people were cooler than her.
10 months ago
Loonanon
And you speak for everyone?
Put yourself in her shoes, dude. The frick you doing? Gatekeeping social anxiety? Is it one size fits all? Kind of sounds like you're being narcissistic.
She very clearly wanted to fit in, but didn't have anyone there she was friends with other than vortex. You have SAD? How do you feel when you're left in a room full of people you don't know? Especially when some blatantly insult you for past things you've done? Especially since SAD in women often comes out in a more aggressive tone than in men, it can cause problems.
I've grown tired of arguing with you. You don't know what you are talking about, and are agressive for no reason.
Frick back off to reddit, newbie.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Man he really unlocked some traumatic memories for you huh
10 months ago
Loonanon
Yeah, I'm not happy right now lmao.
But, I'm better now. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You're flying off the handle too hard, dude. Pull it back, I think you know your response here isn't proportionate nor helpful.
10 months ago
Loonanon
No, probably not.
I suppose I just escalate quickly. Some newbies, I guess.
Sorry frens, won't happen again.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Piss off normie quit acting like you know what SAD >oh no some popular socialites were mean to me Im so anxious waaaah
Frick off
10 months ago
Anonymous
The frick is SAD? you and the other Black person keep saying it. Acronym for new disorder?
10 months ago
Loonanon
Some people abbreviate social anxiety disorder as SAD.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>"Frick back off to reddit, newbie" >reddit spacing the whole reply
lmao
10 months ago
Loonanon
Reddit spacing is this
really odd thin spacing
between the lines of the text
because reddit automatically
double spaces for you.
similar to this. Generally most people
do this on Cinemaphile, whereas reddit spacing is
where they don't.
and cram everything
like this.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>twitter spacing now
(you) really want to be called out in a shithole thread, huh?
Why did the new dog, who I'm apparently supposed to believe is the Prince of Gluttony, want Blitzo out of the club for being too gluttonous?
I just don't understand. Everyone loved Blitzo and he was causing no conflict whatsoever. If anything he made the party better.
I really hate how not evil the sins are, like seriously they should be the most despicable pieces of shit in Hell. Im still surprised Lucifer isnt a psychopath who gave Charlie PTSD for thousands of years.
I have never seen any creator get so butthurt about criticism like this. Like it's actually insane how she responds to it.
I hope Hazbin comes out on a big streaming service and actual publications review it honestly. I would love to see the meltdowns she'd have over actual critics not liking her work.
That would be far more entertaining than both HH/HB. Hilarious to see the shitstorms she'll make. She might even sic her fans on particularly negative critics
It's not just about raw 'accuracy'. The bee design posted here would've been kino as FRICK (just imagine the Hip to Frick Bees memes that would've been posted) while being a perfect thematic fit for "Bee"lzebub.
I actually liked the rest of the designs for the Sins so far, so her just being a generic-if colorful dog is a huge letdown.
>It's really just her face that's fox
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
I can't believe she's getting pissy with the people who are trying to work with aspects of the design SHE made. She's literally getting mad that people are cutting out the ugly sparkeldog aspect.
Genuinely how hard is it for Vivzie to draw a fricking god damn bug girl?
Even Angel Dust suffers from this. He doesn't give off spider vibes. He's a 4 armed homosexual with white fur.
There's so little design variety in Helluva Boss that it astounds me how anyone can express any remote appreciation for it. It's always either a dog or an imp. Where are the bug demons? Where are the bat demons? Where are the goat demons?
I could buy Angel Dust resembling a really fluffy white spider, like this one fake image. Vivzie's 'bee design' just being a wolf is sooo disappointing though.
Imagine telling someone who has never seen HH/HB that they take place in hell and then you show them Bee and say "this is one of the seven deadly sins btw". Like if Vivzie wants to go "humanity got a lot wrong about heaven and hell" then that's fine, but it's pretty clear at this point that she's only interested in paying the most minimal amount of lip service to the mythology. Like it's JUST a drama starring furries at this point, you could strip away the "we're in hell" angle and almost NOTHING about HB would change.
The most screwed up frickers would be in hell so while some souls are partying others are busy trying to figure out how to remake guns to start fricking up sousl for the lulz. I mean think about it God imprisons the bad souls because they would just start torturing other souls in Hell for eternity. Hell would be an awful place, a sheltered white girl like Vivy would get raped for eternity by male or really aggressive dyke female sinners.
>It's really just her face that's a fox
She really is one of those "Only know how to draw dogs" kind of furries, huh? >her tail had more stripes but for the sake of complexity that was removed
You mean it was even MORE busy?
>hellhounds are the bottom of the barrel in hell's society, treated as pets at best, wild animals at worst, and less-than-sentient all-around
Then one of the Princes is a hellhound. Not even shapeshifted to blend in. Just a hellhound with some powers. >stolas's love for a common imp puts him against the rest of high-society, even asides from his wife. he's viewed as lesser for it, and it's incredibly damaging to his reputation when exposed
One of the Princes is openly dating a hellhound, even lower-rung than an imp.
Some people were pointing out that inconsistency as well. If Hellhounds are confirmed to be the lowest rung of Hell's society that have little to no rights, how come one of them is a Lord of Hell? It makes no sense.
Heres what I cant understand. Why are they so averse to just killing people who break the social order? I mean its hell there shouldnt even be anything close to human rights in the slightest there. If Stolas fricked an Imp just obliterate him and his entire family.
Killing is extremely common in Hell, but it's more finicky among the upper classes. Stolas is otherwise competent and powerful, and attacking him might bring undue retribution or get rid of someone who could otherwise be a useful ally at some point in the future.
This doesn't save Stolas from other nobles busting his balls and mocking him for pursuing imp, and it's still a huge status-blow. But he's not wildly incompetent, so it isn't a death sentence.
... At least, this was what I believed when the world building seemed better.
A common argument I've been seeing elsewhere is. >Beelzebub’s the ruler of the hellhounds, who are the natives of the Gluttony ring. Viv just made her look like her own people, so Beelzebub being insect themed would've been dumb and inconsistent
But, why? It's not like Asmodeus was a normal succubus just Succubi come from Lust.
>Viv just made her look like her own people
But why not just give her different forms? One for dealing with big names and one for dealing with notBlack folk hounds?
'cause he's completely unapologetic about the fact the core concept is fetish art, yet he's a actual professional, his characters and designs are cohesive, they don't crash against each other nor the backgrounds, he also can write actual personalities and not mere archetypes, and keep every character in, well, character. Hell, even after the massive timeskip in ExamTaker, Azazel is still true to herself.
HB has becoming less and less cohesive, every new character crash more with the original cast, the setting is becoming more convoluted, and character motivations are more and more confusing. The characters are becoming more and more archetypes instead of characters (Millie being the worst case, but Blitzo and Stolas the more offensive ones).
HT does a lot with little and its presentation is immaculate. HB is bloated with too much stuff yet it becomes more and more unappealing.
It's literally that Poseidon (HB) Vs. Spongebob (HT) making burgers.
The funniest part is how most criticism you'll find about Helltaker would be about Cerberus' design(s). Then you read Vanripper's notes and Cerberus was heavily based on Vivzie's work.
Like God damn pottery.
At this point its pretty obvious that its downfall for Viv. With more episoders of HB and release of HH, it would create more and more criticism. The views will drop eventually, and HH/HB woundnt be considered flagman of indie animation anymore. How much the chances she will go schizo?
>blitz making out with a single dude >Loona: WTF IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR IN THE MIDDLE OF A GODDAMN ORGY!
You need at least more than two fricking people to participate in an orgy. Why does Viv version of hell suck so hard?
>Why does Viv version of hell suck so hard?
Need an animated show about some little demon hitman and his buddies going on adventures in 40k Medrengard and doing all sorts of fricked up vile shit
Viv's version of hell is just her dream furry world with a red tint over everything, where everybody acts like a teen, look's like a teen's creation, and has lots of sex in between swearing.
It should be notable, but no one in the show cares so why should the audience? Maybe dog fricking is just more socially acceptable in Hell than Imp fricking for some reason?
one must wander if the low status of hell hounds has anything to due with little their demon princess is actually respect by the rest of hell's higher up
If a minor demon who barely reached Mt hip chugged a whole barrel of hell mead or whatever the frick that was I'd be giving them a pat on the back too lmao
Cartoonshi, Diregentlemen, ForcedPositivity, Hezuneutral, and VanityMoth have negative videos about the show. Just Stop also made one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCVW7pLyx60
I didnt laugh even once in this episode meaning it was a complete failure >Oh look everyone the butthole with no impulse control is getting shitfaced drunk so funny right ahahahah
NO! NOT FRICKING FUNNY VIV!
>Some people from the Villainous crew jumped ship for this series back in 2019
I get if the pay is better but damn.. I can't imagine how painful it is animating such a maximalist show with cluster frick designs up the wazoo.
I wouldn't mind animal theme if they can make unusual combos. Like let's say a dog on a tall giraffe's body. Or a camel that's also part dolphin. Go crazy with animal abominations.
Its implied higher tier demons you can actually feel their presence while they are far away from you so the presence of a demon lord must be overwhelming to the point you just kneel when you are close to them because their presence is literally crushing you
In 40K Storm of Iron there is a demonic character whos presence makes normal humans keel over and painfully vomit, and makes the superhuman astartes feel a deep sense of dread and uncomfortableness, even ones that knew him before he transformed. When they look at him all they see is this shadowy blur.
Actually being around the sins should make you become insane
Being around Ozzy makes you rapist tier honry
Being around Bee makes you so hungry you literally start eating people around you like a wild animal
Being around Lucifer makes you become ridiculous smug and delusoinal
No seethe, like other chan terms have seeped into the rest of the internet. Also "seethe" is a perfectly valid english word which Viv is using correctly here, not made up bullshit like kino or based
>Viv immediately runs to every twitter discussion and Cinemaphile thread after a new episode to look a criticism to "talk" about
Yeah, no, that would be not just seething, but madness if true.
In lots of christian fictional shows/anime angelic anything causes hellspawn anything to burn from simply touching it. I think in Supernatural angel blades were an instant kill to any demon even the highest tier ones like Abaddon
Tell that to Viv, because she was mad that people weren't happy that Millie entire character was Moxie's prop. So what does she do, make her suicidal, over moxie. She doesn't get it, does she?
But this is something that has never been hinted at before and the reason over her being like this is Moxxie so it doesn't fix the problem that her character still almost entirely resolves around Moxxie.
Finally, the one episode EVERYBODY is waiting for, 'cause it's gonna be a massive shitfest so polarizing it's gonna ruin the little good will this show has.
Was there a time period in the Pride Ring where all sinners were literally tribal humans with superpowers since the sinners are the time were stone age people?
>Do you wanna see my shitty furry OC I drew just last night dance and fly around for 15 minutes?
Eat some Bee
I'll gladly eat this bee.
This version is leagues better than this
piece of shit.
That's a Pokemon.
If Bee actually looked like the queen of gluttony.
https://files.catbox.moe/1t679y.png
Why did no one tell Viv that this was an over designed mess? Hell I even saw Helluva Boss fans complaining about how ridiculous it was. Really feels like the fan base is waking up and realizing Viv really needs some people around her to put her on a tight leash
>Why did no one tell Viv that this was an over designed mess?
I'm not a fan of Vivzie, I don't like this shit cartoon, but how can you people not understand that this IS the appeal? Her whole work is Circa 2002 DeviantART: The Cartoon, the exact appeal with Vivzie is specifically that she brought to life that convoluted sparkledog aesthetic.
Back when Hazin Hotel was getting funds (When was it again? Must've been at least 5 or 6 years ago) there were fundamentally three camps: it's shit, it's shit but at least she's making something that isn't CalArts beanmouth shit, and "this reminds me of early DeviantART".
>the exact appeal with Vivzie is specifically that she brought to life that convoluted sparkledog aesthetic
sure, but most of the characters in Helluva Boss didn't go full-in eyerape deviantart furry OC. in fact, many of them are okay with a healthy dose of deviantart energy balanced with at least some amount of stylistic coherence. I thought she improved since Hazbin in that respect, even if not when it comes to writing...
but this damn design is just a full-on unironic sparkledog in all its cringy, horrid looking when animated glory
It's more like she can do good design work when she's not being a tryhard, but she absolutely can't contain herself when it comes to her precious important characters that she wants celebs she admires to voice act for..
I dunno, I wanna frick that canine lava lamp
Her designs are so erotic somehow
Loona is prettier!
Loona is insanely erotic, God
Those wide, feminine hips, and that coy smile.
Her cynical sense of humor, and her sperg-tendencies. Small sized breasts, ideal body shape for snuggling.
She's pretty much made for us. Plus, that hairstyle is fricking hot.
Because if anyone criticized her work she’d accuse them of not liking it because they’re “____-phobic” and fire them then b***h about them to others in private.
>Why did no one tell Viv that this was an over designed mess?
They do and she specifically doubles down on it because she admits to not taking criticism well.
I got some mild criticism over my writing recently and it stung, but I took solace in the fact that I don't react nearly as badly as Viv does.
Wait a minute.
Her name is Queen BEE?
As in Queen BEELZEBUB?
And Vivienne knew this, and decided to make another fricking generic furry instead of a bee or a fly because god forbid we get an insect demon?
Are you fricking for real?
>Is somehow both an overdesigned mess and yet also just a sparkledog with wings
How does Viv do it?
decades of drawing both and no one stopping her and telling her to improve.
Someone needs to be told not every character needs to be a sparkle wolf.
I bet the other princes view her as a (or Lucifer) pet
How did Demon Lords go from Asmodeus to THIS so fast.
>Vivzie gets her Die Young video taken down
>Vivzie does everything possible to keep capitalizing it anyways
>Vivie writes an entire episode (a supposed season finale mind you) around Kesha
>Virzie even get Kesha herself to voice Beelzebub
>Vinvie even design Beel around the Die Young video protagonist instead of flies as Beel is used to
>Vavzi even have the privilege to get Kesha to actually write a song for the show
>Vinkie even gets the whole episode hold in legal issues 'cause of all troubles her hubris is causing
>all this just for the WORST episode to date.
Bravo, Bubzy Poop.
It was better than that dogshit LA episode because Loona acted like herself and not an abusive, ungrateful BPD psycho.
sex with apple and josh
best bee design
She suck the glutton from me
> Lactates honey
> cums warm beezwax out of her literal " honey hole"
god imagine how much people would be cooming over her if this was the design in the episode
I don't think I've ever seen a design get completely mogged so quick and is fricking hilarious
Seeing the salt from Vivziepoopoopeepee and her fans is the icing on the cake
why is beelzebub even supposed to be a bee and not a fly?
although her looking like a bee instead of a sparkledog with wings and extra arms would be preferable. I literally didn't register that was beelzebub until after watching the episode
Because Viv thought it was "bee"lzebub. Seriously...
Here's your Beelzebub bro...
Don't joke with me, I'd nut if I saw him again
Based.
It'll never not be funny that games like Helltaker and a shota eroge can do Beelzebub better than something who's entire appeal started as 'this show takes place in Hell.'
uh sauce?
ShotaxMonsters.
Also has Baphomet, Lucifer, Pazuzu, and a few other demons. Along with Michael and Gabriel.
that gag was legit funny but I was zoning out at that point because the episode was moronic so it just made me snap to attention rather than laugh
She's just so beautiful.
I do prefer the mouth edit though
Stop making me like the bee
Hated the song. House of Asmodeus runs circles around it.
YOU SOLD YOUR LIFE FOR A THRUUUUUUUUUST
NOW THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF LUUUU-UUUST
Probably helps that HoA is relevant to the plot and not a random 15 minute long music video.
The music video was really fricking annoying. They didn't have time to explain why Loona felt like she wasn't good enough to go to a party, because viv demanded that shit.
I feel like the only thing that might explain Loona, was at the beginning when the poodle showed a picture of Loona throwing up at a previous party. Which is why she doesn't drink in the episode and she tells Tex that "you wouldn't like her after one drink." I think what I don't like is the very minute we see Loona actually start to have fun, she has to leave because Blitzo was having too much fun for Gluttony Princess liking. Nor do we get to see Loona actually bonding with these new "friends" she apparently made at the party.
They’re giving Loona self esteem issues when it felt like she was just generally unhappy with her step dad and really apathetic in the beginning. I don’t know why they felt the need to go that direction. Maybe cause it was easier to write?
Any predictions on what Leviathan, Belphegor, Satan and Mammon will look like in Vivziepop's style?
Furry OCs
Satan ought to rep the classic GOAT Baphomet .
It will be a furry with goat horns
Surely it can a least be a caprine furry as is proper? Surely Viv's mind can't be THAT filled with dog dick.
never underestimate white women
I want Viv to give scalies something to fawn over.
Now I see what Bee meant when she called her brother hot.
wait is satan a different guy to lucifer?
Satan mean "adversary", I said it in a past thread, anyone can be a satan, even and angel testing a human, or a demon tempting someone, Viv just made him into a especific character instead
yeah I know that's the old testament idea, but nowadays I feel like most christians headcanon it into Satan being the same as Lucifer
I think it's because during the times where you didn't know how to read, which means you were pretty dumb, simplifying who was the 'enemy' was easier for the church and everything
>Christians not understanding their own book
What else is new.
Sorry you had to get up early on Sundays as a kid, anon.
>Viv just made him into a especific character instead
Not really Viv's idea m8
Lucifer and Satan are two names thrown in the bible at different times, which the christian tradition has made to be the same being.
It's then that later occultists within an outside the church wanted to establish rankings in hell, because even back then people were into tierlists, and so a popular classification decided that hell has 7 demon lords governing over each deadly sin, and he put Lucifer and Satan among them.
Was Lucifer always in the bible? I thought some medieval pope came up with the name.
I believe he's referred to as the Morning Star in the bible, with Lucifer being a later translation of the same concept.
the name "morning star, bearer of light" appears, but is not identified with Satan or a demon, just some mocking term used for a pagan king
I think later bible fanfics like Inferno and Paradise Lost cemented this idea
Lucifer didn't appear until an early Bishop named Lucifer criticized the Church's rising corruption and was very vocal about how it was going to turn into a big problem if not addressed. He was openly critical of a lot of his higher ups.
Yeah
I think there’s theories on what Mammon looks like based on background clues, and he just looks like a fatter version of Fizzeroli.
They posted a silhouette of Mammon a while ago.
It already looks disappointing. I’d bet money it’s another sparkledog or imp clown
They really should have worked harder on their theming for the Hell rings and their rulers/inhabitants.
Like, clearly Mammon is a clown and yet we've seen the Greed ring and it seems like the native demons are the sharks.
None of this jives.
>sharks
This has to be the most boring hell out there
INNER VOICE MISSIN
...
a fricking christmas tree?
a symbol of giving for a creature that only cares for gold? What the frick.
>no hobo looking Greed lord demon
WHY
isn't he supposed to look more or less like Fizzaroli?
so... maybe that + a cape? or is he really a damn christmas tree?
Guys, what if penguin? I know that's hoping for too much but still.
What is a c**tdollar? AUD?
I'm guessing he's suppose to have a casino motif, he's some kind of jack.
New writer most likely. He joined in S2.
In that episode with Verosika, she only growled at him for hugging her in the beginning IIRC.
He's already appeared on the bills.
Twinks
>Leviathan: deep-sea horror creature
>Belphegor: giant goat
>Satan: Imp, but bigger and scarier and with more muscles
>Mammon: clown
I can see a trend with the princes looking a lot like their underlings
>or rather: their underlings look like them
with exceptions like Ozzie and Lucifer
Isn't Satan a twink?
probably, satan is a lil b***h boy, canonically.
Lucifer is the twink, Satan was seen as a silhouette in Hazbin, but after everything that has happened thus far who knows?
That looks more like Adam and Lute.
Frick it probably is.
>The ugly(er) Blitzo clone is probably banging the hottest exterminator around
why live.
She's at least 200 years old when that photograph was taken, she might be much older.
What happened to those other angel girls from the leaks
>Satan
Cute cherub like creature with BIG cigar and bass voice
>Satan
i personally like this OC
Me too, I wish anything near that good would actually appear in the show
Nah, he's just gonna be a regular-ass dude in a suit who just so happens to have goat ears and horns. Hazbin and Helluva are probably one of the few series I've seen where all the OCs are way better designed than the canon characters.
It's kinda weird that she's theoretically stronger than pretty much any character shown onscreen except for Lucifer and MAYBE the exterminators and angels, while also outranking them pretty severely, but she's the meek little underdog. Kinda takes away Alastor's malice and "I would have done so already" moment if he could have gotten fricked up the instant Charlie opened the door.
She has a name that's so dumb it could only be an angel name, she has an angel's spear that nobody really comments on, and her left eye is missing.
Viv will absolutely not be clever enough to do ANYTHING with her character other than her loving Charlie, being angry at everyon else, and being a fallen angel, it all tracks.
Probably something as stupid looking as Sparkledog bee.
Viv should have known more people are insectphilia than furry.
>Loona calls someone a b***h
>the whole crowd is horrified as if she just said the n-word, Loona gets upset
>literally 10 seconds later Kesha calls everyone b***hes, crowd doesn't care
>no reaction from Loona at all
In a normal show Loona might give an exasperated response like "Why is she allowed to say it?", which would serve both as a joke and set-up for the imminent reveal that Bee is a bigwig on the social hierarchy. But I truly believe the writers of this show were just too dumb to even notice the contradiction.
yeah that was weird to me as well, seems like such an easy contradiction to point out and make a joke about
All the dialouge was choppy and confusing. They made it confusing as to if everyone there didn't really like Loona, or if Loona just felt like everyone there didn't like her.
I bet they noticed, but I also bet they had to cut that shit because they wanted to make 90% of the show a music video for an artist that doesn't even fit the hellhound aesthetic.
Sad, really.
Kinda read it as intent over wording. Kinda like homie vs Black person
And give the viewers an idea that celebrities should be held to the same standards as common folk!? That's wrong-think!
Blitzo also calls everyone b***hes at some point in the episode and no one says a thing about it. It was just a really shitty joke.
>make an episode about the most bland character to flesh her out better
>blitzo steals the show because luna's character is just being angry and b***hy
well done well done, now have blitzo jump in the puddle that is luna's personality and make the episode about her to be about their father-daughter relationship instead
But anon, Blitzo is just... so cool. Did you not see how he outdrank the Deadly Sin of Gluttony and earned her respect in front of an audience? Just... wow.
blitzo is not cool blitzo is just a manlet father figure for a bunch of socially inept morons that is supposed to be their caretaker but who is as awful at social interactions as the rest of them, blitzo is "better character" because they default scenes to him left and right because the imps are also boring as frick, the imp couples entire character is build around them being a couple (the guy imp at least gets some kind of whimpy backstory and """character growth""" in the widest possibly sense of the word)
luna is the ugly duckling of the posse that has no one to play off of, the closest they got to giving her character was having her interact with the emo owl and even then it just fizzled out into "you know what, dads are humans too you know" as if that's somehow a revelation to anyone but the most infantile spoiled babies
the helluva boss is literally just about blitzo being tossed scenes and his forced love affair with the gay owl thing
mmwah, now tell me what character growth or depth did luna display in it
She can connect with Octavia about fathers who love them but are shit people. Tells her that her dad does care and tries his best despite the crazy stuff happening around them. And at the end of the day, Loona still beats the ever loving shit out of Blitz. But hey, at least she becomes mute later on in Season 2.
>But hey, at least she becomes mute later on in Season 2.
Which might be why the view count is so pathetic now.
when they introduced wolf baby to the show i was expecting a better character with more depth, her character design is good and there was potential there with the backstory, they just literally don't know what to do with the character because the writers are lazy hacks making literal fanfiction tier writing about blitzo and gay owl, once it goes anywhere outside of that they derail into weird bullshit
i literally don't give enough of a shit about the character to even spell her name right, only thing she has going for her is her aesthetic and that is not enough to make me give a shit about the poorly written grumpy side piece used for slapstick and troubles of teenage growing up
>i literally don't give enough of a shit about the character to even spell her name right
Then I don't give enough of a shit about your point to take it seriously.
if you want people to be invested in the characters write them better, even a dislikeable character can be well written if you give them depth and nuance
baby wolf: daughter, grumpy, b***hy, use for slap stick
If you want me to be invested in your argument don't go out of your way to make yourself sound moronic. Simple as.
>don't like my shallow eroge fuel character? you must be moronic
ill give a shit when they learn to write good characters
>a manprostitute with a heart of gold
bingo, even that became a jumping block for blitzo's character "not being all that bad"
Way to miss the point, I see you weren't only pretending to be moronic.
>if i call him moronic enough times, maybe he'll stop replying to me and i can claim i won something
i think it's working
Stay mad that I didn't rush to defend your strawman, illiterate.
Doesn't help that in the flashback we see that Blitz adopted Loona because he felt sorry for her living conditions and that she would be euthanized. Some could see Blitz being overbearing just because she is near adulthood. But others can argue that he basically saved her life, so she should be grateful she wont' meet death's door upon.
Loona*
You're a big boy, you can spell it right.
But we already got that episode in Season 2, episode 2. Seeing Stars.
>Queen of Glutonny can tell that Blitzo isn't having a good time at the party because ""vibes""
>Apparently she can't tell that Loona, who's been there longer and is literally cringing at every social interaction isn't having fun or comfortable either.
This is the Blitzo & co show. If your name isn't Blitzo or Stolas, you might as well be there to polish those two shoes at this point.
I didn't even think about that. Now I dislike her more.
Loona always had social anxiety.
Since when? Remember the Verosika episode? She was completely calm disguised as a human no anxiety no sphaghetti so frick off
>Hellhound doesn't have anxiety around humans
Why would Loona care what humans think? She's supposed to kill them.
No, take the way she constantly treats those closest around her. Every time they show affection, she does something to brush it off because she can't handle it. She doesn't know how, a common sign of social anxiety.
Then, in spring broken, the same episode which 'proves' your dumbass 'point' she absolutely spills all of her spaghettis in front of vortex, but only approaches him after stressing about her makeup. Not to mention, while she is excited to meet new people, she constantly afraid of what other hellhounds might think of her.
I saw this shit coming from miles off, it's why I like her so much. I can't tell if you are fricking with me, or are just that clueless.
>Every time they show affection, she does something to brush it off because she can't handle it.
No shes just a b***h, Moxxie shows more traits of someone having SAD than Loona ffs
I know very well what social anxiety looks like. I'll save you the story. She has major trust issues, and social anxiety from being in an orphanage where she was told she wasn't good enough.
She checks every box, dude. I don't know what you are talking about.
>"I absolutely must get Kesha to make a cameo in my show"
>delayed 600+ days because of legal trouble
>Kesha's voice acting sucks
>the song Kesha wrote sucks
>Kesha doesn't even sing it
>the best part is that Viv made Kesha's character a fricking deadly sin when just a generic pop star character would've sufficed for the story's purposes
>because assuredly Kesha will never return, either this major deadly sin will never appear in a Vivzieverse show again, or will be recast
>also Beelzebub is a sparklefox now even though everyone on earth knows he's purely associated with insects
's voice acting sucks
>>the song Kesha wrote sucks
But neither of those things are true...
Go back to writing about Millie's suicide Viv
le cope
>the song Kesha wrote sucks
the song is just bad, even for a trashy pop song club banger
I thought it was fun, but I was too pissed that this thread tricked me into thinking someone named "Bee" was going to be the hot bee I saw posted here. Frick you guys.
What anon you don't like having cotton candy and food puns blasted in your ear with no actual lyrics of substance?
Sounded more like "cod-don candee"
Are you 12 years old?
Kesha’s song is a generic white girl party song and her voicework through the entire episode was about as flat as Loona’s chest.
Vivziepop is liking shitty posts about Queen Bee's design again.
I love it when Viv immediately throws shade at her own fans.
Clone High made a teenage Confucius without facial hair. Sometimes designs are bad.
>It's like saying-
well they're not fricking saying that. it's for fun.
Kek, she's seething hard
>boring or not animation friendly
So the Beelzebub Viv designed then.
>Vivzie's designs
>animation friendly
lol
lmao even
OH SUUUURE, CRAP ALL OVER THE BUG FETISHISTS, EH?
YA KNOT TAKIN
MOON MOON LOOKIN
PEANUT BUTTER ON BALLS SMEARIN
FUR HUFFIN'
EMPLOYEE SLAVE DRIVIN
SPARKLEDOG DRAWIN
HAIRBALL SPITTIN
TYPICAL WHITE GIRL SEXUAL PREFERENCE HAVIN
STARBUCKS DRINKIN
REVERSE FOUNDING OF ROME MYTH MAKIN
HOORE
FURSUIT WEARIN'
FURCON ATTENDIN'
AIDS HAVIN'
(Don’t you mean)
BUG CHASIN
GAY MEN FETISHISIN'
SHEKEL GRABBIN'
PAINT HUFFIN'
HMOFA HATIN'
IN HELL YIFFIN
WET DOG SMELLIN'
RED ROCKET PLAYIN
STELLA BASHIN'
You just know she’s so mad. I wonder if she’ll be this mad too when Hazbin underperforms because of everyone got their fill of Vivzie’s content and writing.
Toon Brain more like Troon Brain
See this is Viv’s issue. She takes criticism so damn personal that she will openly insult her fanbase over it. And really, Brandon Rogers could be the bigger man and tell Viv to knock it the frick off, but we all know he won’t because he’s a fricking pussy
This person must be delusional if they think the yellow lava lamp sparkle dogshit is "animation friendly".
What are the odds that vivienne sent out a message to her employees/friends whining about the hate and told them to post this shit?
>vivziepop designs
>animation friendly
DELUSIONAL.
I'm fine with her using a bee to represent Beelzebub but the thing is the final design is just another sparkledog with a vague bee motif. It just unironically sucks, this is coming from someone who doesn't mind the hellhound/Jayjay designs all that much. Beelzemon doesn't resemble the original Beelzebub (who isn't always depicted as a fly either), but his design isn't terrible like this. Maybe she used to be a normal hellhound that ended up absorbing the powers (and traits) of the original Beelzebub and that's why nobody's commenting on why a demon lord would date one.
>The criticism threads whining about Diregentlemen
>The thread insulting the audience for seeing Millie as one dimensional
>The b***hing and agreeing that critiquers only hate the show because they hate queers
>Now this stuff crying about people disliking Bee's design
The more I learn about Vivienne the more I hate her as a person.
Did Diregentlemen make a video on this new episode yet?
>Vivziepop considers Beelzebub's original fly design to be stinky "Bible fanart"
Unironically frick off.
And yes, we do unironically want a fly design. Some of us want to frick a bug.
What did Viv even expect here? Did she expect everyone to love that she turned the Lord of Flies into a dog?
I don't even hate the design they went with. It just isn't Beelzebub.
I do hate the design they went with. this show has lots of too busy character designs that look bad in motion, but this one is the worst by far, pure eyerape
but yeah, it wouldn't be that bad if it was supposed to be some hellhound honcho, not goddamn beelzebub
SpongeBob did a better Lord of the Flies than VivziePop.
Not a bugfricker myself, but it sure is rich for the shamless furgay making a cartoon all about celebrating rampant degeneracy is trying to kinkshame people who like the stinky fly.
lol. lmao even.
>Y'all want stinky fly instead???
>The original design is Bible fanart
And that's bad because???? Is Viv that much of an r/atheism user?
I was thinking the same. It's amazing how many things in this show could be fixed with a few expressions or lines of extra dialogue.
>Asmodeus looks nothing like old art
>still manages to not only be unique to the rest of the cast, but actually retain at least a little design detail from it by having the two smaller heads
>all Beelzebub has is tiny-ass, barely visible insect wings while the rest of her design is just an ugly garish hellhound
Motherfricker you already designed actual bees for the cherubs. Do that, but as demon actually worth a damn, given it's a fricking prince of hell.
we shouldve had furby on stilts for stolas
IF YOU'RE GOING TO FRICKING MAKE AN INTERPRETATION OF BEELZEBUB AT LEAST MAKE IT BELIEVABLE.
THIS IS NOT A BUG IT'S A GOD DAMN FURRY. BEELZEBUB IS A FLY. NOT A FOX. NOT A WOLF. A FLY.
FRICK OFF VIVIENNE NOT EVERYONE IS INVESTED IN JUST YOUR RAINBOW VOMIT FURhomosexualRY. For someone who is heavily invested in religion and demons, this latino prostitute sure doesn't want to stick to the source material.
I think at this point Vivzie is just using hell as a shallow backdrop for her furry drama stories because she couldn't get a Zoophobia show made today
That's even setting aside the fact that she's the embodiment of Gluttony and...she's worried Blitzo is indulging himself to much? What now? Huh? Why?
Well, when I saw that, and she said:
>I can taste the flavor of the people at my parties
what if she literally can? What if she feeds off that shit?
What if blitzo was causing gay trouble, causing people to be uncomfortable, and it was actually having an impact of what bee recieved.
Just a thought.
But when we meet up with Blitz from Loona's perspective, he didn't seem to be causing trouble besides making tongue with one rando imp.
If you have to jump through this many hoops to fix Viv's writing it only makes it clearer how shit her writing actually is.
Agreeing with the others on it being shit, but I figured it was gluttony for the wrong reasons that she wasn't into. Like binging for the sake of binging over drowning sorrows
show dont tell
have a few or even one sight gag of blitz puking down someones throat or visibly cursing them with his depression aura
cuz then you dont have a muddled "whoa he's TOO gluttonous even for me" that needs exposition instead
Yeah, for real, all we see is him making out with some rando. It's not like he's crashing the party. They could have had him acting like an butthole, killing the vibe, making people leave, etc.
But I guess we needed all the animation for the musical number.
True.
I'm not saying it is good writing.
I hope she gets fired, that episode hurt because I feel like they wanted to do more character development with Loona, but didn't because of 'cotton candy'
I don't care about bee, I just want to kiss Loona.
I want to box Viv for the rights to Loona.
Cage match.
I want Loona to have her own cooking show.
Everything will have liquor in it.
>RUM HAM
this, it was extremely out of the blue
I thought he would get alcohol poisoning or something, but he really wasn't doing anything bad, just making out consensually with other imps. they could have shown him being more of a mess
Yeah the whole thing gave off the vibe that Bee doesn't allow sex to happen at her parties because there's a lot of substance usage going on. Which is such a fricking statement to how kid-friendly this universe has become, lol. Like if they wanted to go with that angle she could've come across as less of an afterschool PSA character.
Even the fat community is pissed off at her, basically saying she took the concept and completely messed it up. Also they’re calling out how all her body types are now literally copy and paste. The criticism is getting way worse and Viv is going to crack sooner or later.
>the fat community
The what now
It's more of a mass.
She fricking deserves it.
This is another rare occurrence where Twitter and Cinemaphile agree on something.
Vivienne fricking sucks at demon representation and her ego is bigger than the god damn sun.
>Even the fat community
>the fat community
This got me laughing a couple minutes straight somehow
is there any proof that beelzebub is canonically an insect? dantes inferno is not canon religious lore and afaik no religion actually describes beelzebub's appearance + even if it did, idc because the entire show is artistic license cause its all based off dante's inferno
>"Yeah, but your about to be in heaven."
>"Yeah, but your about to be in heaven."
>"Where Loona? I have to see a dog about a date."
Idk, I mean, she took him home. If he wasn't having a problem, then she wouldn't have done it.
>yfw bee doubles down and puts her hand on loona's head as she schlurps you up
>is there any proof that beelzebub is canonically an insect
his name is usually translated as "lord of the flies", so there should be some sort of fly motif or fly power at least. and that's how he's usually depicted in all the occultist tradition that describes all the demons
there is no "canonical" appearance for demons at all AFAIK, except for the Beast with lotsa horns, Leviathan and Behemoth
Here's someone OC of Beelzebub and I think it makes more sense than VIv's choice.
Yeah that doesn't fit the show's aesthetic though. Hell isn't actually scary, it's cute and quirky. I guess we should've taken Angel Dust's design as a sign lol. It's honestly telling how uncreative Vivzie is that she can't think of a way to make bugs/insects cute without slapping a bunch of fur of them.
Cute, would bang.
>is there any proof that beelzebub is canonically an insect? dantes inferno is not canon religious lore and afaik no religion actually describes beelzebub's appearance + even if it did, idc because the entire show is artistic license cause its all based off dante's inferno
Beelzebub is a mockery of "Ba'al Haddad" or just "Ba'al" a semitic deity whose name translates to "lord" and was is common to most semitic languages, even in modern day arabic, "Ba'al"/"بعل" translates to husband. Ba'al-Zebub means "lord of flies" and "Ba'al-Zebul" means "lord of shit" because the Hebrew Prophet Elias mocks the Baalites saying that their god is no true god, and is lord of nothing but flies and dung. A long time later medieval european christians began depicting baal/belzebub as a demon and agent of satan and thats where the fly shit comes from.
TLDR Baal isnt a demon, hes just a false idol mockingly associated with flies and excreta, so technically he IS canonically a fly. If you want the OG semitic Baal, hes described in israeli and muslim sources as a giant golden statue or some shit. May or may not have had bull motifs.
>Hebrew Prophet Elias
Elijah*
to add to this, muslim sources claim he had four faces. In old semitic religions "Ba'al" was the title of the storm deity "Haddad" but the babylonians used "Bel" as a title for Marduk. There is also "Ba'al Hammon" worshipped by the Tyrians of Carthage. In general the Beelzebub of pop culture is the hebrew caricature of what is likely Baal Haddad. Also "Ba'lah"/"بعلة" translates to wife in Arabic
I would have taken a bee or some kind of ambiguous insect, not a bug-dog. Why make her part dog and not a sexy insect lady? Viv’s style can make bugs appealing, we’ve seen this. Why make her a dog-bug?!
Why will Viv never understand my bug fetish... Does she not know how hip it is to frick bees? The design could've gone in this direction instead and mix both fly and bee parts together or something, but no, Viv only wants canine penis...
>Does she not know how hip it is to frick bees?
I understood that reference
Someone should tell her that she shouldn't base her entire work on already prestablished work if she doesn't want to follow its descriptions and characters.
>who wants chowder?
Why is a demon of gluttony meant to be making sure people don't overindulge? And why do the staff always write in this identical, overly-positive manner?
closet alcoholics seeing themselves in her and defending that projection
I've been really liking the posts where fans theorise that she's meant to represent purging and that's why she's skinny.
BILE SPEWIN
Does she not understand what gluttony is?
Viv genuinely doesn't understand any of the lore she 'researched'.
Oh ho, yes she does. She just doesn’t want to see fat fricks on her cartoon because they remind her of herself and fat fetishists.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/137933456
But the entire point of gluttony as a sin is about never being content with what you have? You just keep indulging yourself in shit again and again without ever really stopping. So why the frick would a demon of gluttony give a frick about having a good control of over consumption
Almost none of the demons are actually evil. Its fricking bizarre.
Beelzebub is basically just a jersey shore party girl and not a force of excess at this point lmao.
Asmodeus joked about disintegrating people
What
said. Also Stolas himself was implied to be directly involved with causing shit on Earth in one of the Season 1 episodes.
Ozzie at least adheres to his theme of lust. He doesn't want any lovey dovey shit, and he seemed to enjoy the debauchery of Stolas choosing to frick his life just to get dicked down by an Imp.
In Bee's case she just comes off as a regular fricking party girl.
Ozzie is implied to be "in the closet" when it comes to feelings of genuine love, since it's shown he is quite lovey dovey with Fizzarolli.
I guess for a demon of lust what's more rauchy than vanilla ass hand-holding and intimacy outside of sex. Not that I think the writers would ever write it from that angle.
The way I try to rationalize this is that she didn't want Blitzo fricking up the vibe and turning people off. That's also the reason why I think the demon lord of gluttony somehow lost to Brandon's self insert, she could sense him being a problem and wanted him to gtfo. I know none of this is true and she's just another good demon (because Kesha) but I'd like for it to be.
>goal: Spread dismay and pestilence upon all.
Ba'al
Lord of The Flies
Lord of the Flyers
King of the Gods
Ba'al Zəbûb
Beelzeboul
Ba'al Muian
Ba'al of the Flies
>isn't a fly based design
one job
I think the real kicker is that she could've even be bothered to both the skull and crossbones on Bee's wings. Something like that would've at least been some kind of reference to this art, not unlike Asmodeus' smaller heads.
But given how tiny and pathetic Bee's wings are, probably couldn't fit them even if she tried.
I would think on design like this. Normally Beelzebub has a form of anthro Bee, but out of her mouth can come out a second body that is in form of a fly and is attached to the tongue like a leash and this fly form has the same thing, but a butterlfy comes out. All three can act independently, but one may consume the others given how they feel. Bee one could just be called Queen Bee, fly would be Lynzi (Flynzi) and last one just Bub (bub the butterfly, I know comedy death). This could tie in with Cerberus with 3 heads and a leash and make her feel unique (also 3 bug wives in one package).
what the frick I didnt even realize she was supposed to be Beelzebub until I came to this thread. Granted that I kind of speedwatched but there was nothing that could tip me off besides her nickname. What a shitfest.
Somebody post another unsavory leak to force Viv to finally post the Hazbin trailer as a distraction
Can someone please tell me im not the only one who felt the animation in this one so choppy and bad? Or it was the awful pacing (for a party episode even)
Too cute for one of the highest ranking demons, in Hell, but still miles better than what we got.
>It has the fricking skulls and crossbones
never forget what Viv took from us
hmofa needs to rescue the real beel
Based furchad
hmofa isnt furry
And fricking a man in the ass isn't gay, right?
have a nice day
I'm /hmofa/ too and I think you're delusional
>beehive hairdo
Oh that's really great
I am sorry to admit that Vivzie draws some hot females. I want to have sex with Loona like you wouldn't believe
>I am sorry to admit that Vivzie draws some hot females. I want to have sex with Loona like you wouldn't believe
I believe it, bro.
This doesn't jive at all. Mammon had such a cool fricking story. Mammon didn't give two shits that he was cast down from heaven, he just immediately started digging for gold in hell, realizing that no one else had made it rare yet.
You could see the clown thing for Mammon if they had stuck to it. Ok - first time we see the Greed Ring is when they go to Loo Loo Land and we see that it's a theme park designed just to scam as much money out of the patrons as possible. That works for greed! And a clown theme works for a theme park setting!
Next time we see Greed it's run by the mafia and full of sharks.
What?
Consistency, man!
We live in a sharky clowny world.
At least they aren't changing Loona in a way that doesn't make sense.
I mean. You could make the argument of 'loan sharks' fitting the theme of greed. Mafia being greedy can work, but outside of Crimson making a comment about needing money, it was really more wrathful than anything.
There's just a disconnect when you don't have those two elements of sharks/mafia and theme park mingle or reference each other at all. A mafia-run theme park would work perfectly fine.
no need to be sorry, There really good designs here, The big three are the reason I still watch this
Honestly Loona has the cutest face. Her smile is so goddamn precious.
The fact that Vivzie is going around liking tweets shitting on people criticizing Bee's design is like, shockingly immature. You never saw Dana Terrace or Rebecca Sugar or hell even Noelle Stevenson doing shit like that. Can this b***h just not take criticism?
>Vivzie
>shockingly immature
Shockingly shocking
You know how she could have easily avoided this? We already know that the stronger demons can shapeshift. When we first see Paimon we see him shift through various animal forms before deciding on an owl because Stolas is there.
How about, when we first see Bee she does the same thing, but goes for a dog form because it's a party full of Hellhounds? You could even go a little further - make her body a swarm of bees or flies that configure into the desired form.
Use the lore you've already created and build on it!
>The fact that Vivzie is going around liking tweets shitting on people criticizing Bee's design is like, shockingly immature.
>liking tweet that support her
>immature
Not really. That's reasonable.
>You never saw Dana Terrace or Rebecca Sugar or hell even Noelle Stevenson doing shit like that
Because it create whinny b***hes they wouldn't want to deal with. Vizize, has no issue with people getting upset by her liking tweets.
That requires effort and creativity to Viv
>Can this b***h just not take criticism?
I mean, she did go on an entire rant a few months back all because people started shipping Charlie and Alastor together, and when people were telling her to lighten up on the gay demon drama between Blitz and Stolas.
she did let a bunch of VA schmucks pour their heart and soul into promoting hazbin just to give them the boot and a dear john letter
was it Ke$ha?
Kesha was Bee's voice actor and she wrote Cotton Candy but she didn't do the singing
>"You wouldn't like me after one drink"
could have been good if they would have explained that shit.
sadly.
They should have dave grohl play satan, again. Would be funny as shit.
every fan made design are literally better than what we got
A humming bird bee hybrid is better than a wolf with wings.
Why not have 2 designs?
>Bee as real o shit form
>Hound for dealing with the com*on folk
I think it's not impossible that that's what was implied but I think it's also giving Vivzie too much credit lol
I figured Bee just couldn't do away with some aspects of herself - the multiple arms or the wings for example - given that Beez is mentioned as potentially one of the Fallen as well. The thinness is simple enough too - who do you hate more, the fat frick shoving food down their throat, or the person who can eat a damn cow and never gain a pound? And on gluttony, it seemed more like a mood thing - a preference for overdoing it in the pursuit of pleasure over self hate. Then you get more people drawn in instead of becoming a sad fat frick.
>The thinness is simple enough too - who do you hate more, the fat frick shoving food down their throat, or the person who can eat a damn cow and never gain a pound?
Funny you say that. Vivzie just said that the weird colorful abdomen is supposed to be a lava lamp to rapidly eat food or something.
vivzie is literally a double chinned gunted tub of lard but hates fat people, AMAZING.
>Dots over eyes for bug details
>dots
>bug details
??? She does realize neither Bees nor Flies have multiple eyes like spiders do right?
What?
https://www.buzzaboutbees.net/why-do-bees-have-5-eyes.html
Then I stand corrected, Bee-anon.
That's a lot of words to say, 'I wanted to shoehorn another deivinatart OC."
It's incredibly unusual that there's been literally no announcements/marketing for Hazbin apart from a few random gifs posted on twitter, right?
>Vivienne cares more about getting a celebrity on board than having believable writing or good character designs.
Thank god I dropped this show after Truth Seekers. This b***h can only draw like 2 bodytypes.
This needs to be done with bikini bottoms in an episode
bro it'd fall out
Not if she uses her butt
breasts big enough to hold a phone, but small enough to be cute.
>half the show is just her pouring bottle after bottle of liquor in shit
RUM FLAKES
Nice trips, that image is so fricking cute.
>The morning after with Loona
>She refuses milk in her cereal for whatever reason
>Is trying to hide the fact that it is ravaging her mouth.
The STDs are taking their toll.
>Loona ends an episode we were supposed to get a year and a half ago closer than ever to Blitz, calls him "dad" and is physically affectionate with him
>Season two has her fighting against Blitz, throwing stuff at him and kicking him in the balls and treating him like shit once again
So what happened? Was Loona getting too popular, and they had to nerf her? Or can the show not decide whether they want sympathetic characters or edgy cartoon butthole characters, and the answer was let the audience suffer the tonal whiplash with both?
I just think Loona doesn't like to be touched. She's rather chill with him until her gets touchy.
Makes sense, since she grew up in an orphanage and was probably assaulted.
>you will never slowly gain her trust and be allowed to touch her belly
It hurts...
I was expecting something to happen here to explain Loona viciously abusing Blitzo in S2 but nothing happens. He doesn’t embarrass her in front of everyone, she doesn’t have to handle a crisis he caused, she escorts him home and gives him a loving little pat. It’s fine for character development after Seeing Stars but given it was intended to release before S2 is makes me wonder what the frick were the writers thinking.
>So what happened?
What happened is one of Brandon's buddies named Adam was brought on to write for season 2 and he thinks that Loona being a violent b***h = comedy.
>Different clashing writing styles
>not even a season apart
This shit was doomed from the start
>Adam
This fricker, the only reason he isn't fired yet is 'cause he keeps validating every negative aspect of Vivzie's shit ass writing, instead of criticizing her and making her revisit and fix her writing mistakes.
Adam is the worst writer in the whole staff and that's saying a lot, he's worse than Vivzie. He's more busy at making excuses on Twitter, even more than Vivienne herself.
>Fizzarolli made some kind of deal with Mammon, making some kind of connection with Mammon's clown aesthetic and Fizz's
>Bee could've just been a hellhound that made a deal with the actual Beelzebub, giving her her super mild bee traits and explaining why she's so different from other hellhounds, and so works as pop star spreading the idea of gluttony for Beelzebub, but still has limits
Boom. Fixed.
yeah she just doesn't fit into the worldbuilding at all. the musical number maybe, but dating a hellhound?
it would make sense for the prince of lust to have some fetishs for fricking lower class people, but for any of the other princess it should be even more scandalous than for stolas, right?
and I mean, just think of the power imbalance in the relationship
this is like the president of a country dating some mexican janitor
>a party hoested be the queen of Gluttony
>its the most TAMED party so far
>everyone eat and drink ''safe'' food, nobody giving up to desire and eating/drinking in excess
>Blitzo show up, he literally embodies gluttony, drinking in excess to the point of win a competition with the queen, have a orgy, after orgy.
>the queen have a problem with it and emand him to leave.
I SORRY BUT, dont this place is suppose to be HELL!!!!!!
The fact that the people making this don't realize that sins are sins for a reason says it all.
Really this episode should have been her egging Blitzo on with his destructive patterns and Loona realising her dads in pain and taking him away from the party
But that would paint Kesha's character in a bad light and they can't have that.
Looks a lot better
Does viv have a fetish for large female wolves singing at parties? The only time creators are fixated on certain tropes like that is if it’s their poorly closeted fetish.
SMT does demon designs better despite the creators bring from fricking Japan working with strange translations
Even Finns can do a better design.
is anyone willing to re-draw beelzebub as a big bee lady somewhat resembling marilyn monroe or charlotte from the princess and the frog? since i fricking despise the current canon design
>in the times of the old testament especially everyone believed the afterlife was basically just a somewhat lame and sad place with no division into heaven and hell
From what I understand there *always* was a concept of Heaven, but it all boiled down to everyone doing nothing but singing eternal praises to God, while the closest thing to a concept of Hell was just being in a place only described as "where God is absent". It wasn't until later additions to the Bible introduced the concept of Hell as a place where sinful souls get tortured which is obviously borrowed from Islam (although in Islamic belief, sinful souls simply have to walk through purifying flames before they can enter Heaven, they're not tortured for eternity which just shows how fricking sadistic Christianity is at it's core when it comes to dealing with sinners).
>(although in Islamic belief, sinful souls simply have to walk through purifying flames before they can enter Heaven, they're not tortured for eternity which just shows how fricking sadistic Christianity is at it's core when it comes to dealing with sinners)
You musta skipped a verse, This applies to the believers only. If you do horrible acts while still being a muslim, you dont get into heaven (Paradise, actually, heaven is a thing in islam but its not where the good souls go) you first have to do your time in hell. If you dont believe in Allah, he gives you life in hell. And makes you immortal
>God here, I gave you and Eve some free will stuff, Adam. If you use it I'll make you billions of humans that didn't make your choice suffer, many of which are going to suffer forever
>But you could also yield your free will and become a perfect subservient praise singer to me, even though I didn't make you that
>and if you don't have free will than it's literally impossible to actually sin since I made you do it, but if you do have free will you're bad for ever using it. So because you're free you're bad and I'm going to make you not-free
>Satan here, if you think this is weird you HAVE TO join me and become my servant, and if you don't I'll rape you
>but also if you become my servant God will rape us anyway
I was hoping the more I learned from religion the more sense things would make, not the other way around. Will we ever be free?
It's all about scaring your flock into following your every word and command, consistency be damned. Christianity is just a cult made mainstream.
you can read Paradise Lost if you want to see a fanfic tackle those plotholes. it's a good fanfic and it also describes quite a few demons in detail
plus it stars Lucifer as a sort of semi-protagonist
Like most religions it started out organizing the masses and teaching them proven behaviors that benefited the community. Not stealing or killing, educating yourself, working hard to create and provide for a big family was always the go-to model across most cultures in our species history.
But, like always, a couple of greddy sadistic frickers conned their way into power and ruined it for everyone.
Sad. Many such cases.
That’s mainly the Old Testament God. New Testament God has a change of heart and is more accepting of free will.
Also Jesus died for everyone’s sins, remember?
>New Testament God has a change of heart and is more accepting of free will.
Well, they are the same dude, God was never cruel, the way the law interpreted his advice and rules was. It was a lord of the flies situation.
I'm pretty sure he just wanted us to chill.
It does suck though, I can't have a Loona wife.
>post is about Islam
>reply goes into a tangent about Christianity
Every time
Why are you making this about Christianity when the post was about Islam, a religion with completely different views on nearly everything you outlined in your post?
Does anyone else find it stupid that Vortex a fricking hellhound is dating Beelzebub? Why does anyone even care that Stolas is fricking an Imp?
It's dumb as frick and turns the whole hierarchical structure of hell into a joke. And Viv doesn't get to call out the people b***hing about it, because she's the original loregay that designed the setting around this and made it an important plot element before.
I'm more bothered by the fact that a Hellhound holds a seemingly very high position in Hell. Not because "hurr durr filthy Hellhound" social hierarchy itself, but because it breaks that established canon that Hellhounds are the lowest ranking entities in Hell that are treated as pets at best and slaves at worst.
How in the frick is then a Hellhound in a respectable position in Hell, as a representation of one of the Seven Deadly Sins?
If Vortex was kept around as like Beelzebubs pet, that would make more sense. But they are clearly equals
Not just that, Beelzebub herself is also obviously meant to be a Hellhound. The previous lore established that they're the lowest rung of society in Hell that barely has any rights, yet she's somehow able to hold such a high position as a representation of one of the Sins.
>Why does anyone even care that Stolas is fricking an Imp?
Because we need to hate his wife for no reason
>Because we need to hate his wife for no reason
That sounds familiar...
lmfao
The hierarchy has already been shat on repeatedly.
1. Charlie is dating a LITERAL SINNER. NOT EVEN A REAL DEMON. THE PRINCESS OF ALL HELL.
2. Moxie's dad commands theoretically stronger demons as part of his mafia warlord job.
3. Tex is fricking Bee, a Demon Lord.
4. Stolas is fricking Blitzo
If it was only one of these things, you could sweep it away as someone working really hard to improve their station(Moxies dad), or a scandalous thing(Stolas and Blitzo), but all together?
Lmao. Kek even.
Vaggie is a fallen angel now, I'm positive of it because of the vegana pun names.
>Vaggie is a fallen angel now
>undoing the Dominican representation
Vivzie really wants to undo any positive she was praised for in the past, huh?
What is the evidence she's a former angel? Don't we literally know her backstory?
She looks like an Angel, has Angel shit, has Angel angst, and has an Angel name. Occam's razor says her backstory is fake. Vivzie probably wants this to be a twist despite how obvious it is.
Ain't imps actually decently positioned even though they're small as frick? They're just the normal people of Hell. I can buy Moxie's dad.
Everyone in Hell but Charlie can probably tell that Vaggie is a fallen angel, which is as respectable as Lucifier himself, so I can buy that too.
Speaking of Charlie. She's the princess of all hell, only below her parents, and yet the plot for HH has her OPENLY MOCKED ON TV by little shit sinners. Nobody fricking respects her despite her nea absolute power over their fates, and she somehow has to relly on a mere overlord like Alastor to work on her business.
That's the premise of Hazbin. The actual fricking premise of the main show relies on utter nonsense given the rules of the setting as presented by the author.
Charlie is the original Beelzebub, and Beelzebub is nothing more than another instance of a much older problem. Their role in the plot makes no sense whatsoever with their social stations, but they're still given those positions... just because.
>She's the princess of all hell, only below her parents, and yet the plot for HH has her OPENLY MOCKED ON TV by little shit sinners. Nobody fricking respects her despite her nea absolute power over their fates, and she somehow has to relly on a mere overlord like Alastor to work on her business
Yeh I don't really get this.
Shouldn't they be fricking terrified she could call up a favor from one of the demon lords and have their asses annihilated?
>the plot for HH has her OPENLY MOCKED ON TV by little shit sinners
You expect literal sinners to give the damnest about authority? Theyre in fricking hell
>but she can kill them
Sinners are essentially immortal aside from purges, why would they give a shit. If it was a hellborn I'd get your point, but that seems par to the course for sinners.
>Sinners are essentially immortal aside from purges, why would they give a shit.
Helluva Boss has already shown that fricking imps can get their hands on angelic weapons. What could possibly make you think that Lucifer and his family wouldn't have access to an entire armory's worth of the stuff, ready to delete any upstart sinner that looked at them funny?
If they've got an actual death wish then sure, I could get the disrespect as a method of suicide, but that certainly isn't how it comes across anon.
In a way the devil is a nice guy because he doesnt just erase sinners from existence the moment they enter Hell he lets them remake society instead
you assume that Lucifer actually supports Charlies idea and don't think it's moronic (like everybody else) and that Charlie has any sway by herself
Because it is moronic because it relies on expecting pieces of shit to change their ways instead of just editing their personalities to be good people instead. I mean Charlie could probably do that since shes a very high ranking demon.
>just editing their personalities
you assume that is even possible in the first place
You can edit a humans personality easily with drugs
GlowBlack folk already tried that and afaik they werent successful.
Nah its possible. Find the right wienertail of strong enough psych meds and you can make someone a completely different person
>wienertail
No need for that, you can just regularly take thorazine alternatives till your brain fries
You really can’t. Thats why IRL psychiatric medicine composes a broad array of chemicals. what works for one person may not have the same effect on another.
Easy, you just mindbreak them for a few days and make them obedient.
They're in hell, you think there aren't tons of ways to torture a dude?
>I mean Charlie could probably do that
She's lucifer's spawn, not fricking God's.
Lucifer's support for Charlie's stupid redemption project is irrelevant, because he has been described as caring for his daughter, so while he could just let her fail on her own, he won't just accept her being humiliated by the entirety of hell.
If he was a piece of shit to his daughter it would make sense, but Viv didn't make it so. Therefore, the situation is nonsense, because any demon or sinner that isn't suicidal would walk on eggshells around Charlie.
>he won't just accept her being humiliated by the entirety of hell.
it's called 'letting her learn from experience and mature on her own' and 'letting her fight her own battles'
Lucifer knows she won't ever mature into a proper demon princess if he keep cuddling and shielding her
But isnt Charlie like eons old?
no she isn't, accourding to Viv's streams she is about 200yo, but biologically and psychologically she is in her 20s
You mean to tell me in his infinite existence the devil decided to make daughter in the last 200 years, like wtf, Charlie should be older than human civilization since the devil backstabbed God a really really really long ass time ago probably before there were humans to begin with
Don't worry anon, they'll just explain it as the earth only being 1000 years old.
To be fair it's hard to imagine the devil having vanilla sex.
He had sex? I just assumed he conjured her out of nowhere since hes you know really fricking powerful, its the same way Yahweh created him after all.
Yeah, Lilith is his wife and she had sex with him to make Charlie.
But hes the freaking devil? Why doe he have only one wife? Hes also pride that means an butthole that mean he should have an endless list of women he has fricked and fricked over for the lulz
Pic related, their family photo.
Apparently they're going with the Mystic israeli lore that Lilith was Adam's first wife and the first person to be sent to hell.
The devil then married her because she was the first human there
The devil in this case is just a pretty boy with daddy issues
Lucifer has always been a pretty boy with daddy issues
First Lilith had to convince him to actually frick her instead of having her pegging him, them she had to convince him to frick her in the pussy instead of in the ass, then convincing him to finish inside...
We know nothing about the dude except for that he cares about Charlie and apparently isn't 100% onboard with the hotel.
Quit your headcanons.
Can all sorts of angelic weapons kill the sinners, or only those wielded by the murder angels, has that been stablished?
Furthermore, is the fact that angelic weapons can be gotten common knowledge in hell?
If either is a no, or unknown, theres still plenty to justify a sinner not giving a shit.
The only reason I doubt this is because Viv seems to be building up Lucifer as mostly a joke character. Unfortunately.
>essential immortal
A thousand years of torment sounds worse than death tbh
>Sinners are essentially immortal aside from purges
She can painfully torture them in ways a normal human couldnt take. Immortallity is not on their side here
Hazbin Hotel has the yearly purges
>She can painfully torture
but she won't and everybody knows that
Alastor probably has more going on with him, but honestly, I'm just about done trying to rationalize anything about how this world operates.
Alastor's arrival changed the order of hell and caused widespread chaos, if Vaggie is to be believed.
I prefer to think Alastor is just this easily bored sociopathic old man that has nothing better to do than watch sinners try and fail to change, because hey, he's seen people suffer, but usually not in THAT way before.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of some plan to get some sort of ties with the princess of hel, or royal family or something.
He's certainly audacious, to try and get Charlie into a contractual obligation because he wants to own her.
Lucifer and Lilith must be very hands-off.
how are you Cinemaphile?
I want to gnaw on human bones
Why are furries afraid of cool bugs?
Furries are afraid of anything that are canines or felines
Imagine having a entire community around liking anthropomorphic animals and you only choose the 2 most boring ones
Where do the Sonicgays fall in?
true
>look at our community based around creating your own animal OC! so many creative possibilities...
>80% of them are just cats or dogs, maybe with weird eyerape colors and fetish shit at best
I may be the only person who likes Bee's design. The sparkledog tumblr design actually fits the excess theme.
>that episode where stella takes octavia topside for some human dick
I LOVE Collin!
I want to FRICK Collin
>t. Loona
Loona would.
T.Demons
I love Blitzo.
I haven't seen season 2 yet but it's season 1 again?
wut
The episode got delayed by a year because Viv couldn't pay for Ke$ha to sing.
How do those glasses stay on his head?
He looks like he wants to frick vaguely ethnic women
If Hell is such a bad place why don't demons just live on Earth? It's not like Heaven is doing anything about it.
Hell isn't even shown as a bad place though
if anything, hell is other demons... or something
It says something when you need to be actively told this is supposed to be Hell. And I see what Viv I guess tries to go for, but it's not well done and it is BS. Beel is meant to be embodiment of Gluttony. One being that has no restraint about it because he (or she ins this case) is pretty much gluttony itself. Something that is basically an incarnation of said sin. A sin. Which means it should be more vile and out of control than what is presented here with this rather mid party.
They probably do, I imagine there are some badass constantine-style exorcists up there keeping the demons from doing annoying shit.
Also, hellhounds and imps don't seem to suffer in hell, because hell was made for them. They weren't cast down, they were just there. I bet earth is like hell for them.
>Earth
>Wageslaving for higher ups
>Heaven
>Wageslaving for higher ups
>Hell
>Wageslaving for higher ups
Heaven's management feels like the worst of the bunch. While on Earth and in Hell you just have to deal with shitty upper management, Heaven seems to have purposefully inconsistent rules to abide. C.H.E.R.U.B. were tasked with saving the soul of an immoral, cruel and sadistic rich guy who (outside of few short-lived moments) showed no actual desire to repent (and despite their best efforts and implied long time of working for Heaven, they got banished when a falling piano crushed him), and yet a woman who was implied to be a loving wife and a good, kind teacher, got sent to Hell for killing her unfaithful husband.
I'm betting on Deerie being the main antagonist when it comes to Heaven later on in the series, given that she seems to be running things and has enough authority to banish C.H.E.R.U.B..
God is always right thats why CHERUB got canned because even God's frick ups are ALWAYS RIGHT
God gives His toughest battles to His strongest wagies
Well I mean angels are literally programmed to obey God so they probably get pleasure just doing their jobs unlike us humans. CHERUB was losing their shit at the thought of not having any divine jobs to do.
>Loona has social anxiety all of a sudden
Frick off Viv trying to make people feel sorry for your shitty characters
I 100% thought Blitzo was gonna end up boning the bee dog after his alpha male display.
>Loona is from the pound meaning she had antisocial(psychopathic) tendencies
>yet is also le shy pup with social anxiety
Get the frick out of here
quit samegayging.
I believe Bee is what you call an ESFP also known as idiot the MBTI personality type
so, any of those design sheets yet?
some of those dog designs are pretty interesting
I'd bend over that poodle b***h.
The dalmaltion one is making me diamonds
She's literally an anthro version of Delilah from 101 Dalmatian Street.
Satan is a twink? How lame
b***h lost to Michael. What did you expect?
I thought Lucifer and Satan are two different beings in this badly written piece of shit?
That wouldn't make any fricking sense
>"Viv DiD HeR ReSeArCH
honestly wouldn't surprise me.
Yeah, that really annoyed me too, but you can see Loona getting defensive at every little thing at the party. I think she just felt no one liked her there, and that she would only get worse by drinking.
I have SAD and no we dont act like that, if you can actually get hostile towards people it means you are actually narcissistic not anxious. SAD make you become sad and mopey around groups of people you start mindlessly comparing yourself to them further demoralizing you into submission
Are you male?
Yes I am, Loona is just a moody b***h not anxious. The fact she went total normie after Blitzo showed up showed she was narcissistic and triggered people were cooler than her.
And you speak for everyone?
Put yourself in her shoes, dude. The frick you doing? Gatekeeping social anxiety? Is it one size fits all? Kind of sounds like you're being narcissistic.
She very clearly wanted to fit in, but didn't have anyone there she was friends with other than vortex. You have SAD? How do you feel when you're left in a room full of people you don't know? Especially when some blatantly insult you for past things you've done? Especially since SAD in women often comes out in a more aggressive tone than in men, it can cause problems.
I've grown tired of arguing with you. You don't know what you are talking about, and are agressive for no reason.
Frick back off to reddit, newbie.
Man he really unlocked some traumatic memories for you huh
Yeah, I'm not happy right now lmao.
But, I'm better now. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
You're flying off the handle too hard, dude. Pull it back, I think you know your response here isn't proportionate nor helpful.
No, probably not.
I suppose I just escalate quickly. Some newbies, I guess.
Sorry frens, won't happen again.
Piss off normie quit acting like you know what SAD
>oh no some popular socialites were mean to me Im so anxious waaaah
Frick off
The frick is SAD? you and the other Black person keep saying it. Acronym for new disorder?
Some people abbreviate social anxiety disorder as SAD.
>"Frick back off to reddit, newbie"
>reddit spacing the whole reply
lmao
Reddit spacing is this
really odd thin spacing
between the lines of the text
because reddit automatically
double spaces for you.
similar to this. Generally most people
do this on Cinemaphile, whereas reddit spacing is
where they don't.
and cram everything
like this.
>twitter spacing now
(you) really want to be called out in a shithole thread, huh?
Why did the new dog, who I'm apparently supposed to believe is the Prince of Gluttony, want Blitzo out of the club for being too gluttonous?
I just don't understand. Everyone loved Blitzo and he was causing no conflict whatsoever. If anything he made the party better.
I think we were missing some content there. This episode felt forced.
I really hate how not evil the sins are, like seriously they should be the most despicable pieces of shit in Hell. Im still surprised Lucifer isnt a psychopath who gave Charlie PTSD for thousands of years.
LOL SHE BIG MAD
No she isn't
I have never seen any creator get so butthurt about criticism like this. Like it's actually insane how she responds to it.
I hope Hazbin comes out on a big streaming service and actual publications review it honestly. I would love to see the meltdowns she'd have over actual critics not liking her work.
That would be far more entertaining than both HH/HB. Hilarious to see the shitstorms she'll make. She might even sic her fans on particularly negative critics
I don't even care about HB or HH anymore I only browse these threads for the drama kek
It's not just about raw 'accuracy'. The bee design posted here would've been kino as FRICK (just imagine the Hip to Frick Bees memes that would've been posted) while being a perfect thematic fit for "Bee"lzebub.
I actually liked the rest of the designs for the Sins so far, so her just being a generic-if colorful dog is a huge letdown.
We didn't even make it to July.
This tweet is gonna age really badly when people just say 'sure' and make make fly redesigns that yet again look better than her stupid furry.
I can't believe she's getting pissy with the people who are trying to work with aspects of the design SHE made. She's literally getting mad that people are cutting out the ugly sparkeldog aspect.
Genuinely how hard is it for Vivzie to draw a fricking god damn bug girl?
Even Angel Dust suffers from this. He doesn't give off spider vibes. He's a 4 armed homosexual with white fur.
There's so little design variety in Helluva Boss that it astounds me how anyone can express any remote appreciation for it. It's always either a dog or an imp. Where are the bug demons? Where are the bat demons? Where are the goat demons?
I could buy Angel Dust resembling a really fluffy white spider, like this one fake image. Vivzie's 'bee design' just being a wolf is sooo disappointing though.
you forgot shark demons
Imagine telling someone who has never seen HH/HB that they take place in hell and then you show them Bee and say "this is one of the seven deadly sins btw". Like if Vivzie wants to go "humanity got a lot wrong about heaven and hell" then that's fine, but it's pretty clear at this point that she's only interested in paying the most minimal amount of lip service to the mythology. Like it's JUST a drama starring furries at this point, you could strip away the "we're in hell" angle and almost NOTHING about HB would change.
The most screwed up frickers would be in hell so while some souls are partying others are busy trying to figure out how to remake guns to start fricking up sousl for the lulz. I mean think about it God imprisons the bad souls because they would just start torturing other souls in Hell for eternity. Hell would be an awful place, a sheltered white girl like Vivy would get raped for eternity by male or really aggressive dyke female sinners.
>It's really just her face that's fox
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
>It's really just her face that's a fox
She really is one of those "Only know how to draw dogs" kind of furries, huh?
>her tail had more stripes but for the sake of complexity that was removed
You mean it was even MORE busy?
Keep on spamming bees! She's scared of them!
Fly would've been best. Bee would've been somewhat bad but not awful. What we got is a tragedy both lorewise and in terms of design.
>hellhounds are the bottom of the barrel in hell's society, treated as pets at best, wild animals at worst, and less-than-sentient all-around
Then one of the Princes is a hellhound. Not even shapeshifted to blend in. Just a hellhound with some powers.
>stolas's love for a common imp puts him against the rest of high-society, even asides from his wife. he's viewed as lesser for it, and it's incredibly damaging to his reputation when exposed
One of the Princes is openly dating a hellhound, even lower-rung than an imp.
This episode is a feat in World-Unbuilding...
Some people were pointing out that inconsistency as well. If Hellhounds are confirmed to be the lowest rung of Hell's society that have little to no rights, how come one of them is a Lord of Hell? It makes no sense.
It's possible she created them? Gluttony doesn't sound like a particularly strong power set to have.
Heres what I cant understand. Why are they so averse to just killing people who break the social order? I mean its hell there shouldnt even be anything close to human rights in the slightest there. If Stolas fricked an Imp just obliterate him and his entire family.
Killing is extremely common in Hell, but it's more finicky among the upper classes. Stolas is otherwise competent and powerful, and attacking him might bring undue retribution or get rid of someone who could otherwise be a useful ally at some point in the future.
This doesn't save Stolas from other nobles busting his balls and mocking him for pursuing imp, and it's still a huge status-blow. But he's not wildly incompetent, so it isn't a death sentence.
... At least, this was what I believed when the world building seemed better.
Fricking somebody from a different social class doesn't really seem to be the kind of thing that would get you killed tbh
Mocked? Yes. Shamed? And he was.
Is it really so hard for Vivzie to draw a bug for once?
Vivzie draws her deer characters like she draws her dog characters, so probably. Angeldust is only a spider demon in name only.
>Inb4 God fricked off long time ago
>It's just Demiurge doing frick all
A common argument I've been seeing elsewhere is.
>Beelzebub’s the ruler of the hellhounds, who are the natives of the Gluttony ring. Viv just made her look like her own people, so Beelzebub being insect themed would've been dumb and inconsistent
But, why? It's not like Asmodeus was a normal succubus just Succubi come from Lust.
If the different lords of hell were basically all just uplifted examples of that rings native species then it could make sense lore wise tbh.
It could be, but it's too late for that IMO.
>Viv just made her look like her own people
But why not just give her different forms? One for dealing with big names and one for dealing with notBlack folk hounds?
Did you miss the part where she shifted into her true form when Loona got pissy at her? She was way more buggy.
>She was way more buggy
Cmon
Doesn't look buggy if she still has a snout and muzzle that still makes her like a fox.
The Kesha song was horrible
The animation was way more impressive than the song. It is like the opposite of the Ozzie song
I'M WHAT YOU WANT, NOT WHAT YOU NEED
1. Remove lava lamp tummy
2. Add bigger fly wings
3. Have her do a buzzy thing on her S's and Z's
4. Compound eyes
5. Trim her hair a few inches
There I fixed the design.
You are not her, don't even try to stand on her place.
God, she's so hot.
Vanripper is like, the only person who could make a premise like Helltaker work.
'cause he's completely unapologetic about the fact the core concept is fetish art, yet he's a actual professional, his characters and designs are cohesive, they don't crash against each other nor the backgrounds, he also can write actual personalities and not mere archetypes, and keep every character in, well, character. Hell, even after the massive timeskip in ExamTaker, Azazel is still true to herself.
HB has becoming less and less cohesive, every new character crash more with the original cast, the setting is becoming more convoluted, and character motivations are more and more confusing. The characters are becoming more and more archetypes instead of characters (Millie being the worst case, but Blitzo and Stolas the more offensive ones).
HT does a lot with little and its presentation is immaculate. HB is bloated with too much stuff yet it becomes more and more unappealing.
It's literally that Poseidon (HB) Vs. Spongebob (HT) making burgers.
That's a really good way to put it.
The funniest part is how most criticism you'll find about Helltaker would be about Cerberus' design(s). Then you read Vanripper's notes and Cerberus was heavily based on Vivzie's work.
Like God damn pottery.
At this point its pretty obvious that its downfall for Viv. With more episoders of HB and release of HH, it would create more and more criticism. The views will drop eventually, and HH/HB woundnt be considered flagman of indie animation anymore. How much the chances she will go schizo?
>How much the chances she will go schizo?
She hasn't been already?
>blitz making out with a single dude
>Loona: WTF IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR IN THE MIDDLE OF A GODDAMN ORGY!
You need at least more than two fricking people to participate in an orgy. Why does Viv version of hell suck so hard?
>Why does Viv version of hell suck so hard?
Need an animated show about some little demon hitman and his buddies going on adventures in 40k Medrengard and doing all sorts of fricked up vile shit
Viv's version of hell is just her dream furry world with a red tint over everything, where everybody acts like a teen, look's like a teen's creation, and has lots of sex in between swearing.
>feet tapping
Seriously? Thats how you would dance to that song?
The animators already had to animate the sparkle dog, any more than that and they'd probably die.
Can we take a moment and pay respect to the fact that /our/ homie Tex is fricking a literal Demon Lord.
Like this is would seem to be notable.
>nobody has any problem with it
I guess stolas is just a fricking idiot then.
It should be notable, but no one in the show cares so why should the audience? Maybe dog fricking is just more socially acceptable in Hell than Imp fricking for some reason?
Vortex is a boytoy.
One that'll be mine once I find some peanut butter.
>Inb4 you get wrong one and you fricking kill him
I'll get it from the pet section at Hell-Mart.
Better believe I'll put in the proper care before I take him down to The Pound and make him a good boy.
>no one cares who Beelzebub fricks because she looks like a hellhound and is a pussy even about her own Sin so no one respects her
one must wander if the low status of hell hounds has anything to due with little their demon princess is actually respect by the rest of hell's higher up
I'm starting to believe the rumour that she was fired from HH over a zoom call
I still have no clue how the frick Blitzo dated Verosika, I mean Blitzo is not even close to an Imp Chad despite his big dick
Verosika has poor standards
He outdrunk the demon queen of party girls. That's pretty impressive ngl.
Bee can sizeshift she threw that match for some reason
I wouldn't necessarily say she "threw" it.
If a minor demon who barely reached Mt hip chugged a whole barrel of hell mead or whatever the frick that was I'd be giving them a pat on the back too lmao
i fricking hate vivziepop so much i am willing to sacrifice the reputation i built up because she fills me with such vitriol and rage
Does anyone know of any ytbers who give nuanced and fair criticisms of HB because I only know of SarcasticChorus and he's gargling Vivzie's balls
Cartoonshi, Diregentlemen, ForcedPositivity, Hezuneutral, and VanityMoth have negative videos about the show. Just Stop also made one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCVW7pLyx60
Shouldnt Hell have a completely pitch black starless sky?
Also that wasnt even alot of beer to drink down just one tiny barrel, are you serious?
>Her design is insectlike because..
If you need to explain it then it isn't
I didnt laugh even once in this episode meaning it was a complete failure
>Oh look everyone the butthole with no impulse control is getting shitfaced drunk so funny right ahahahah
NO! NOT FRICKING FUNNY VIV!
What you don’t think kesha saying “WOOT WOOT GET DRUNK b***hES” with the energy of a funeral for five minutes isnt hilarious?
>Some people from the Villainous crew jumped ship for this series back in 2019
I get if the pay is better but damn.. I can't imagine how painful it is animating such a maximalist show with cluster frick designs up the wazoo.
How much is the patron and merch earning?
I hate the fact demons are animal theme instead of eldritch like the imps
I wouldn't mind animal theme if they can make unusual combos. Like let's say a dog on a tall giraffe's body. Or a camel that's also part dolphin. Go crazy with animal abominations.
>only 4.6 mill views in a day
I feel like that's pretty bad for HB
I noticed a drop in viewership after the beginning of season 2. It’s going to be pretty bumpy in the future for viv it looks like.
How does that stack up to other HB episodes' first days? I think it's for the best if this thing becomes more niche anyway.
>The feeling when NTRed
>this guy I've barely interacted with would rather have demigod tier pussy rather than mine. What a shock!
>tfw he gives you no pets or belly rubs
Come Loona, come to /hmofa/, you will be safe
Around furgays never relax
the only valid response is to NTR him back
I haven't even seen the episode yet (mainly out of principle at this point), what happened here? Are they done now?
Loona got undercuted and cucked by Beelzebub
>Finally get a gluttony ring episode
>No fat characters or weight gain to be seen
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
One of the friends Loona made was fat, I think, could've been just fur. Never can tell with dogs.
Viv never draws fat fricks
WHERE'S MY GLUTTONY TORTURE DEVICE, VIVZIE!?
>James Coco went mad in 15 minutes
How long would you last Cinemaphile?
>viv will never show us an industrial meatgrinder factory in the style of the indie game pigsaw
Hazbin is forced to remain in only Pride ring so its worldbuilding is not as stupid as Helluva
>Literal demon lord shows up
>Everyone at the party doesnt instinctively start kneeling
it's not the reaction she cultivates, simply not her style
Its implied higher tier demons you can actually feel their presence while they are far away from you so the presence of a demon lord must be overwhelming to the point you just kneel when you are close to them because their presence is literally crushing you
>D-DEMON LORD SAMA?
>AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE MY KNEES ARE BEING ON THEIR OWN
>IM GONNA IM GONNA KNEEEEEEEEEEL
In 40K Storm of Iron there is a demonic character whos presence makes normal humans keel over and painfully vomit, and makes the superhuman astartes feel a deep sense of dread and uncomfortableness, even ones that knew him before he transformed. When they look at him all they see is this shadowy blur.
Actually being around the sins should make you become insane
Being around Ozzy makes you rapist tier honry
Being around Bee makes you so hungry you literally start eating people around you like a wild animal
Being around Lucifer makes you become ridiculous smug and delusoinal
She went full demon form on Loona and she wasn't looking like she was about to kneel any time soon.
Neither she nor Ozzie strike me as the KNEEL YOU INSOLENT PLEBS type.
They are showmen. I do hope we eventually get a Demon Lord who acts like well, a lord among demons.
Ozzie might seem like he's into the kneeling as a kink.
>Blitzo is becoming an issue
>Doesnt use her power to just warp him out of the party back into his van
>Asks Loona to make him get out instead
It would have been pretty demonic seeing Bee just telekinetically flinging Blitzo back into his van then making it drive off on its own
>just warp him out of the party
assuming she has that kind off power and that type of personality
this homie again. How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
If Vaggie is an angel doesnt that mean she could instantly kill Alastor?
She had one of those angel weapons spears(I assume. It's the same weapon we see other demons use to kill other lords at the beginning) so yeah.
God doesnt give a shit if sinners are erased from existence right?
No since the setting seems to be going hard for Heaven Bad, Hell Good (but also bad?)
Is this a direct jab at /co because seethe is mostly a chan term
It pretty much is. The guy who made the cool bee design she's sub-tweeting first posted it here too.
So will Viv retweet the other better designs?
This woman talks like a teenager
seethe and cope was coopted by twitter some time ago
No seethe, like other chan terms have seeped into the rest of the internet. Also "seethe" is a perfectly valid english word which Viv is using correctly here, not made up bullshit like kino or based
the only place where people say that viv is seething is on here so..
Yeah, Twitter definitely should have kept the 120 character limit. These people can't be trusted to handle more than that without fricking up.
BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!
The fact you have to say it means otherwise. Calm people don't need to explain other people they're calm, you sociopathic frick.
>Viv immediately runs to every twitter discussion and Cinemaphile thread after a new episode to look a criticism to "talk" about
Yeah, no, that would be not just seething, but madness if true.
That's just ego trippin
If you search vivziepop seethe/seething on twitter the last results besides this tweet are from 2022 lol
Viv absolutely uses Cinemaphile and constantly browses threads talking about her shows. So yeah.
Viv's whole EVERYTHING makes her look like an angsty teen, and I keep getting blinsided when I hear she's in her 30s.
She’s definitely looking her with her goons. I’m sure of it.
If you see this Viv. STOP! DOING! THAT! You are not helping yourself in any shape or form.
Why does angelic technology not burn imps who touch them?
Cause they haven't sinned and been condemned.
They're coated in plotanium, the same material they use for plot armors.
because that not how it works
In lots of christian fictional shows/anime angelic anything causes hellspawn anything to burn from simply touching it. I think in Supernatural angel blades were an instant kill to any demon even the highest tier ones like Abaddon
That's not those christian shows/anime, that's not supernatural
stop thinking that your headcanon based in other media is valid
Based on the twitter stuff I think Viv is a masochist who gets off on people shitting on her ideas
Vivzie, if you're reading this. Can the next episode be about the main cast doing their jobs for once?
Ain't the next episode about millie being suicidal/depressed?
>millie being suicidal/depressed
Wtf
I'm exaggerating but that's the gist.
>He missed leaks
ngmi
Well people were complaining that millie is basically cardboard.
Yeah, this isn't exactly a step in the right direction.
Tell that to Viv, because she was mad that people weren't happy that Millie entire character was Moxie's prop. So what does she do, make her suicidal, over moxie. She doesn't get it, does she?
But this is something that has never been hinted at before and the reason over her being like this is Moxxie so it doesn't fix the problem that her character still almost entirely resolves around Moxxie.
Finally, the one episode EVERYBODY is waiting for, 'cause it's gonna be a massive shitfest so polarizing it's gonna ruin the little good will this show has.
That's episode 6. Not 5.
Was there a time period in the Pride Ring where all sinners were literally tribal humans with superpowers since the sinners are the time were stone age people?
Tongue my anus Viv
Gay Loona when ?
Oh no
why do her comments have porn spammers? i don't need to see 3dpd breasts