The worst thing about this show, and I say this 100% unironically, is what they did to Stolas.
He was my nr 1 favorite demon. He's this funny owl dude with a crown on and big old legs that knew a lot of information about minerals and plants and would tell you cool facts about rocks if summoned.
Now if I google him I won't find the funny owl dude, I will find one of the gayest, most annoying characters in fiction.
It's not fricking fair. It's a fricking travesty
>Now if I google him I won't find the funny owl dude, I will find one of the gayest, most annoying characters in fiction.
Good. All demons should be depicted as obnoxious gay homosexuals, because that's what they all are.
THEY MASACARED MY STINKY flying BASTARD!
he looks like a FREAKING BEE DOG with lava belly who A VOICEd by Kesha.......
Seriously frick this gay fujo shit !
Yeah but Beelzebub was popular and well known before. Him being depicted as a bee dog woman(for some incomprehensible reason) isn't going to tarnish his reputation.
Stolas was not well known. This is how 90% of people will think of him now.
Demon worshiper here. Ever since this show came out, there's been an influx of teenagers joining demon-worshipping circles who pray to Stolas JUST BECAUSE they like his Helluva Boss representation.
These kids coming in thinking it's all fun and roses when the point of summoning demons is to ruin the lives of others.
The consequence to being a demon worshiper is that you eventually have to reap what you sow, and if being surrounded by shit head teenagers isn't divine punishment, I don't know what is.
>The consequence to being a demon worshiper is that you eventually have to reap what you sow, and if being surrounded by shit head teenagers isn't divine punishment, I don't know what is.
Maybe you should stop being a demon worshiper, then.
actual follower of Yeshua Tzolov here, frick you christcuck, Catholicism and all the subsequent "christian" churches and religions are laughable in their dogma and teachings. Also "hellfire" just because the Catholic church insisted in the concept of hell being added to "christian" texts to scare the population into obedience doesn't mean the place is. There is only the presence of Yesh and the absence of Yesh. Yesh is represented by fire and light, therefore his absence is cold and dark. This whole bs of hellfire is fueled entirely by the writings of a fricking batshit crazy fricktard in a damn cave. Love from /x/, thanks for sending all the zoom zooms our way, much better instructing them there than here.
Says the Cinemaphileomer who spends all day jerking off to cartoon characters, heh pathetic. Don't come around asking for us to fix your tulpa any time soon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't use tulpas, /x/gay. Thats your department.
>/x/ is wrong and chaos magic is insane even though putting the names and actual sigils of the Goetic and other demons in a show leads to the downstream sociological effect of zoomers and Gen-Alpha becoming /x/gays, proving the power of investment of belief.
THEY MASACARED MY STINKY flying BASTARD!
he looks like a FREAKING BEE DOG with lava belly who A VOICEd by Kesha.......
Seriously frick this gay fujo shit !
My nitpicks of this episode that I still liked cause I still like to enjoy things from time time I guess. Plus I like clowns.
-I had no idea that Fizz had a boss? Or like a job? Was there anything before that mentioned this? I thought he was just a sugar baby.
-Fizz somehow ended up bagging TWO upper level Sin Lords? (And if you think Mammon wasn't fricking him, then you've never had a job in entertainment or retail before)
-Why was the contest a real contest? If Fizz is the Micky-brand-head of your company, why threaten to replace him every year?
-Ozzy (the fricking LUST demon) is now too motherly hen over Fizz. He can be in love with him, sure, but what's with him being constantly worried about him?
-Episode further ruins how Hell operates and Vivi is dumb.
-Mammon was the best part and is now highest in my book for best Lords/coolest characters but wtf is he keeping Ozzy's secret? Just spill the beans. Ozzy did in the end anyway, but it's like why? So everyone in Hell tweeted out that your in love (again, Lust demon. Lust can and does = love) and...now what?
-Where's Moxxie and Mily? They went as bodyguards to LuLu Land for a Prince. Why not to this contest where there's TWO Demon Lords?
-The fricking deaf kid and Fizz knowing sign language? Ironically I watched this episode after the South Park special that I thought was great and all I could think of was the Panderstone. Like you die and go to hell as a kid and you get to be deaf in the afterlife too? Well that sucks.
I think Fizz's boss was maybe off handedly mentioned in the first circus episode, where Blitzo is guarding goeshia's?
The contest makes sense, essentially acting as a brand deal and keeping the stars from getting too big a head to go against Mammon. Shows how easily you can be replaced, so don't get uppity.
For Ozzy being too motherly, last episode literally had Fizz get kidnapped and almost murdered. It makes sense to be like that.
As far as Mammon keeping Ozzy's secret, I think it's a 'don't start shit, won't be shit' method. Why would he spread that shit for no reason other than to piss off a peer? I think the reason Ozzy wouldn't want that getting out is going to get revealed in a later episode, but I'm hoping it's something that essentially puts an end to Ozzy.
The contest itself is moronic, since mammon should have multiple stars at once if he really actually cared about money. Obviously one or 2 are going to be the biggest, but realistically there should be a ton more employed by him.
Sure, but the real question is where does the money in hell originate from? Is there a bank? Does Mammon own the bank? If so, why would he need to get people to buy shit to give him more money? Regardless, I'm just glad there's actually a deadly sin that's actually evil.
I wish Tumblr was dead Elon's X bullshit is giving it a second wind
>go to tumblr for first time in 6 years >2/3rds of the screen is now taken up by absurdly huge sidebars that have literally no reason to be that size with the actual posts you want to see barely having any room
This hideous UI is more offensive to me than any of the moronic changes Elon has made to xitter so far. Absolutely fricking unusable and a preliminary google search doesn't show any extensions that restore it to a decent, older layout either.
I know tumblr changed the UI just to copy old Twitter because of the Elon Musk situation. Good thing I have a userscript to get rid of the Livestream thing that they are forcing to show to others on the dashboard. Because tumblr wants to be the next Twitch too.
I never really got it, but this episode really made me question why does the whole thing have to be set in this fictional hell. In the pilot it felt like a cool idea, heck, even Stolas felt like this badass demon prince who fricks guys behind his wife's back because he doesn't give a frick and who plots ways to get more people into hell, but now it's just a gay romance, and the setting's just in the way.
Stolas was 100 times better in the pilot by the simple fact that he actually felt like a Demon Prince. He was this malevolent creature that actively sowed chaos wherever he could, had a sense of regality and power in his mannerisms, and did whatever the frick he wanted.
It's legitimately incredible how this show continues to get worse. I thought it might bounce and get a little bit better. But no. It's just additional tumblr melodrama, over and over.
It's like watching a train go off the rails again and again. It's fascinating.
It feels like the last episode I remember that wasn't gay shit, the camp one, felt uninspired and weak. And it was still about relationships. The show has come a long way from the cherub episode that just had the imps doing a job.
>still giving a shit about viv's slop toons when we have far better indie cartoons Murder Drones and Amazing Digital Circus
Why are you guys like this? Is it your latent homosexualry?
Sad. I'd figure most of you wouldve moved on by now after the combo of helluva turning into yaoi and viv firing of of hazbin's VAs.
All of her shows are a trainwreck now.
It's legitimately incredible how this show continues to get worse. I thought it might bounce and get a little bit better. But no. It's just additional tumblr melodrama, over and over.
It's like watching a train go off the rails again and again. It's fascinating.
It truly is impressive that Viv has managed to have seasonal rot even in the first one and completely contradict Hazbin's entire premise instead of just being a different continuity or a more mature take on Heaven/Hell like the gothic punks of the 2000s.
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It feels like the last episode I remember that wasn't gay shit, the camp one, felt uninspired and weak. And it was still about relationships. The show has come a long way from the cherub episode that just had the imps doing a job.
The cherubs were kind of blue balling given Beach and Loo Loo land were so well done and had a stronger grounding. They were more Psychonauts 1 crossed with Panty and Stocking directed by Tim Burton than Invader Zim crossed with Bojack and Sausage Party directed by Justin Roiland.
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It feels like the last episode I remember that wasn't gay shit, the camp one, felt uninspired and weak. And it was still about relationships. The show has come a long way from the cherub episode that just had the imps doing a job.
It truly is impressive that Viv has managed to have seasonal rot even in the first one and completely contradict Hazbin's entire premise instead of just being a different continuity or a more mature take on Heaven/Hell like the gothic punks of the 2000s.
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The cherubs were kind of blue balling given Beach and Loo Loo land were so well done and had a stronger grounding. They were more Psychonauts 1 crossed with Panty and Stocking directed by Tim Burton than Invader Zim crossed with Bojack and Sausage Party directed by Justin Roiland.
And the show is still extremely successful.
You guys aren't the target audience.
That tweet really loses any sense of impressiveness when you realize that "5 million views per 24 hours" compared to all the other episodes using the same metric means each episode is slowly losing viewership. Next episode is going to be "4 million views in 24 hours" and all the fans will cheer and praise their queen. Repeat with 3.5 million the following episode, and so on...
>"but those are not impressive numbers!" replies above
makes me happy these homosexuals still crying
take that shitty murder drones thing for example. Episode 5 and can't no longer touch 10 millions
About the episode finally something worth watching since so long . 3 episodes just being unsalbable garbage we get something decent.
It truly is impressive that Viv has managed to have seasonal rot even in the first one and completely contradict Hazbin's entire premise instead of just being a different continuity or a more mature take on Heaven/Hell like the gothic punks of the 2000s.
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The cherubs were kind of blue balling given Beach and Loo Loo land were so well done and had a stronger grounding. They were more Psychonauts 1 crossed with Panty and Stocking directed by Tim Burton than Invader Zim crossed with Bojack and Sausage Party directed by Justin Roiland.
, so my problem is that I am expecting a mature take on the Christian afterlives with the sense of fun? By mature that doesn't mean talking about wieners and making continual references to them but mature as not having the cast be a bunch of UwU sadboi gays and more people who have accepted their choices in life.
>le criticism is le bad, because it just is okay?
Jesus Christ, Vivienne. You know people are justified to hate your show, right? Especially from shitty worldbuilding and retcons so the show can meet your vision regardless if it makes sense or not.
I kind of got hard at them ngl, I have a thing for aggressive and b***hy women but damn Viv hit it out of the park with them. They remind me of DeeDee from Batman Beyond and Sheego, excellent tastes for once from her show.
I appreciate how Viv does give them booty. Not enough appreciation for shapely buttocks in adult animation compared to breasts. I feel though Viv knows my tastes but keeps blueballing me with the sappy gay teen melodrama.
this episode was bawdtier than the episode that took place in the actual lust ring.
greed ring has got it goin on
8 months ago
Anonymous
You have no idea what people will do fir money.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The horniness of this episode was nice, it just keeps irking me that Viv can't help herself and crowbar in sophomoric melodrama. Shocked Verosika wasn't in this episode but at least the twins are similarly hot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That is what the show is definitely having a problem with, crowbarring the melodrama when the audience just wants horny demons. Cherubs would have been fine if it wasn't Hazbin's continuity conflicting and the progressives shitting on christianity every five seconds. Agents just had god awful writing from beginning to end sans Millie and Loona. She just needs to stick to being Panty and Stocking but demons instead of this moronic drama she wants audience to cry over.
At least they are actually hot and have that confidence that most of the main characters lack. Even Ozzie and Fizz I thought were going to be more confident but no they had to nerf them as well. Can any male have a sense of confidence or masculinity not be completely undercut?
>Can any male have a sense of confidence or masculinity not be completely undercut?
You expect a tumblr show to portray anything but toxic masculinity stereotypes? It's already teetering on the edge of being 100% gay characters.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Fair enough, holy frick this show is Steven Universe but even worse written. At least there was an attempt at some moral standards without as much much being weird moralgays as often as this show. At least Steven was charming and cute compared to Blitzo needing to be beaten to death.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>compared to Blitzo needing to be beaten to death.
This was one of the points of the show before it turned to shit. I really want to see whatever abortion hazbin is going to be since viv is apparently unwilling to just have hell be full of shitty people.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I would probably not care as much but the show jerks off how kooky cool and "sexy" he is supposed to be, at least Archer had those qualities and Archer and Rick got their shit kicked in by life. It is how they keep pushing Blitzo being a charmer but can't let him be brutalized more often for the amusing karma.
The song reminded me of many of the top hits . like Unholy, billie eilish ,etc. if I had my pick I would frick Beelzebub but these 2 have potential too
>S1: IMP doing their thing with Stolas being the stereotypical rich, funny, gay/bi british guy who gives them work and has a thing for the main protag; the romance hasn't started but Blitzo is picking up on Stolas's cues >S2: IMP still doing their thing but now they're getting more lucrative work from the higher beings of Hell. Realizing that IMP are now well-known and gained the notice of the Sins and other royals, Stolas starts making moves on Blitzo, the latter being hesitant due to his rotten past. But he ultimately gives in and the finale features them rolling around in the sheets in Stolas's bed. Stella and Octavia find out and royal family drama ensues as a setup for Season 3
There. Was that so hard to do, Viv?
Although I never understood why fricking Blitz is such a big deal. I would feel better about one of the following scenarios: >They just frick. Stella doesn't give a frick because she also has like 10 guys. No drama or just something minor. Heck, it could be even a running gag how they keep chucking rach other, like, you know, you'd except from someone from hell >There is drama, but it's about Stolas slowly making peace with his homosexuality at the cost of his family
This "hurrdurr you cannot frick with low lifes as a blue blood" is such bullshit and makes it impossible to relate to their struggle.
Man the over-abundance of just never-end sex focus has finally managed to bother me.
I know there's the whole 'sex sells' thing, but it definitely feels way too focused on for Mammon. So much of his MO, as well as the twin b***hes is just >dude sex don't you want to frick them sex sex sex
They doesn't feel like they remotely try to have any other marketing beyond just sex, which makes the whole thing with the oh-so sympathetic deaf kid just weird.
Ironically I found it appealing this time, mostly due to them having some fricking confidence for once rather than this pansy ass drama with the fanservice. The twins are confident at least and have some fun with their sex appeal rather than blue balling like what the show keeps doing.
I feel like this is an intentional thing to show how much of a 1 track stick in the mud Mammon is. That in addition to Fizz's explicit dislike of him and literally every part of his body being turned into some type of sex toy. And Ozzie also explicitly says that he hates making those sex toys as well.
>And Ozzie also explicitly says that he hates making those sex toys as well.
Why couldn't all the Deadly Sins have been evil? I don't even need them to be comically evil, maybe have it be more subtle and twisted with some of them. I feel like a show about Hell should focus more on the moral complexity of sinners (Hazbin Hotel) or lowly demons (Helluva Boss) dealing with a broken system. I'm not a Christian, but making the literal incarnations of sin be le sad good guys (even if not all of them) just doesn't sit right with me.
The idea that the show markets itself on sex is absurd. Try another strawman.
The point was obviously that mammon was taking every advantage of Fizz and violating his trust in the grossest way. Not too dissimilar from celebrities today selling their likeness to AI's although no sex is involved. Since this is an adult show, they can obviously take it up a notch and have the bad boss literally sell sex bots of his employee
That line >Money can't buy you happiness but it can get you paradise
was great. Wish the show would explore the sins and addictions more instead of gays and panic attacks. Or if it had remained this super fast paced Office knock off comedy series.
Bro every HH or HB get full of Vivzie hate. Its getting hivemindy
8 months ago
Anonymous
Is there anything to love about Vivzie beyond her fatass?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Her work ethic. She got scammed out of her life savings and still got her pilot made. She is the ultimate Cinemaphile dream. She's our girl
8 months ago
Anonymous
She really lost all her yuppie grandparents’ money? How the frick did she get scammed in the first place?
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't remember. Some person promised her something and she trusted them.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking moronic ass rich kid
Kids can be rich and pursue their dreams, but it’s a problem when they’re selfish and moronic too. Miyazaki might be jaded and bitter on top of being rich, but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Miyazaki might be jaded and bitter on top of being rich, but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit
It so weird to me you hold up Miyazaki as some exemplar when he worked his staff to the bone and seems to just shit on art and audiences nowadays. Has he helped anyone rise up? Viv obviously cares about art and the community. She's been producing shit since her teens. Whining about Viv's status is just dumb. Every artist is privileged to some degree. She wasn't just handed an A24 show based on her parents or whatever the frick
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Viv obviously cares about art and the community.
She got into a spat with lackadaisy and punches down at indie creators.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>punches down at indie creators.
As far as I remember, she was talking in a private discord. She wasn't publicly lambasting it. She could have stupid petty reasons for disliking it. She's not perfect or anything.
8 months ago
Anonymous
She fricked with that kid who used AI voices and turned her back on Scott Cawthon when he turned out to be a Trump supporter. Vivzie can go see what hell is truly like for all I care.
>Miyazaki might be jaded and bitter on top of being rich, but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit
It so weird to me you hold up Miyazaki as some exemplar when he worked his staff to the bone and seems to just shit on art and audiences nowadays. Has he helped anyone rise up? Viv obviously cares about art and the community. She's been producing shit since her teens. Whining about Viv's status is just dumb. Every artist is privileged to some degree. She wasn't just handed an A24 show based on her parents or whatever the frick
>but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit.
I'll give it that it looks/moves nice, but it really doesn't interest me otherwise, and you can't deny the damage it's done to modern western animation as a whole (even if indirectly)
Ok, I’ll admit it. Miyazaki is technically competent, but his perfectionist attitude and old man hatred for the new is stifling artistry to this day. Modern art is a fricking joke, but he’s not helping anyone by being nasty. That said, if you work under a nightmare genius like him, he’s going to expect perfection from you.
8 months ago
Billions Must Die Young
How did his fricking show go from 'Demon assassins' to 'A clown who used to be a child slave for some gay pathetic owl, and there's these other people but they don't matter as much."
A Christian and a Asian that made moronic Mario videos made better things then she ever did.
i give up hope, lads. The ride was nice.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Miyazaki punched down many animators/creators in his industry. buttholes will be buttholes, man.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Miyazaki punched down many animators/creators in his industry. buttholes will be buttholes, man.
My point being that someone who supposedly cares about the animation community probably shouldnt be doing that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit.
I'll give it that it looks/moves nice, but it really doesn't interest me otherwise, and you can't deny the damage it's done to modern western animation as a whole (even if indirectly)
8 months ago
Anonymous
Doubtful. Viv still has the backing of her well-off family, or so it would appear.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I love her drawing the women with a fat ass and the aggressive personalities to go with them. It is like they are meant to appeal to the fans of facesitting and I hate how Viv hit that like a bullseye
>How become when Matt and Trey use cuss words in their musicals they get praised, but Vivzie gets criticized for the same thing?
Because Viv can't write songs.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Subjective
Matt and Trey have something of substance to say between cuss the words. Vivzie, like many other women “writers”, does not.
Do they always? What would Brian Boitano do? Hasa Diga Ebowai? These songs are fun. They don't need some underlying meaning. Also Stolas's song in Loo Loo Land was fricking fire. Give Viv some credit
8 months ago
Anonymous
The only good song was the one Ozzie did at the club, and Bee's theme song had a good rhythm but the lyrics were cringe and redddit
Viv desperately DESPERATELY wants to recreate Matt and Trey's style of writing but lacks the knowledge of what makes it good. There is a point to the crudeness, to emphasize a larger message.
Vivzie just assumes throwing enough sex/violence/curse words at something it will automatically make it mature, good and funny. All in all Vivzie, despite her fame, resources, and literally a popular animated tv show which not many can claim - really truly has nothing to say to her audience.
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is absolute and pure indulgence for herself. It's what if she did a broadway musical but WITH CURSE WORDS? or she got these famous VAs she likes to voice HER OCs then make them gay and say piss,shit and wiener. What if she paid tons of money to animators to make her characters gyrate on the screen to get lots of attention,fanart and praise?
She has nothing to express, just a rich kid who is commissioning her daydreams.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Trolling is against the rules, you shithead.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've seen the dark pits of YouTube where her child viewers hang out and they can't tell the difference. They think Viv has completely nailed the South Park style.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>just a rich kid who is commissioning her daydreams
Most famous animators are, even eastern ones like Miyazaki.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Viv desperately DESPERATELY wants to recreate Matt and Trey's style of writing but lacks the knowledge of what makes it good
Doubtful >Vivzie just assumes throwing enough sex/violence/curse words at something it will automatically make it mature, good and funny
Not true. HH's song was bout Charlie expressing her heartfelt desire to change Helll's status quo. HB's first song about a dad singing a heartful lullaby to his daughter >Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is absolute and pure indulgence for herself.
That's based. If you could get Norman Reedus to say piss, shit and frick in your show, wouldn't you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>That's based.
Only for herself, not the audience.
8 months ago
Anonymous
> That's based. If you could get Norman Reedus to say piss, shit and frick in your show, wouldn't you?
Nah, i ain’t into wasting people’s time
8 months ago
Anonymous
He'd just be saying piss shit and frick in another show. Don't forget Picard plays a perverted, maniacal bad boss in American Dad. Actors are not special
8 months ago
Anonymous
Never said anything about actors being special lol stop trying to start an argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Your point was just silly. As long as you're paying them, you're not wasting time. Norman isn't above crude humor
8 months ago
Anonymous
Funny enough, I would rather Blitzo be more Kazuma if they wanted him to be likable. Kazuma is an alpha male giga chad by miles compared to Blitzo, so it would be excruciatingly difficult to pull it off.
Fun and shamelessly horny but Viv is allergic to doing just that at all. Ozzie and Verosika's songs were only other ones, speaking of which when will Verosika come back to do fricked up but amusing things again like molesting Millie time?
I would have rather they did something different with her past with Blitzo like mind controlled roofied him and that was why he broke up with her in that ironic way. Similar to the bounty hunter ex's from Samurai Jack. Or they were rivals in high school and he bullied her mercilessly and she is the one with the stardom and money compared to him.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'd like for them to build on her character at all. The fact that Fizz has two episodes in a row where he's the main star while Verosika was just a crappy villain in one is insane.
Shows don't normally make me boil in rage but holy frick this one did. They had the chance to make a badass fight between two giants but it was fricking wasted for nothing
Mammon is a washed up fat sad sack of shit of a Sin. That was the whole idea is he's all fluff, no substance and thats why he uses others now. Thats why he threw a temper tantrum and fricked off, because he knew Ozzie would wipe the floor with him
Ozzie gives them impression all the Sins have existed since Hell's inception. Theyve all probably grown complacent. Im sure Satan is a roid raging demon equivalent of this
The embodiment of wrath being something like Krogg would be awesome, unfortunately I see Viv neutering Wrath entirely to serve her Hell Good Heaven Bad nonsense.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>hell good heaven bad nonsense
It's quite clear they're both shitty places in vivs universe
8 months ago
Anonymous
Couldve fooled me with her version of hell just being LA.
Why do they keep ruining all the sins though?
They turned Asmodeous into this homosexual sugar daddy (he was a good character in season 1 which just adds salt into the wound), Beezlebub into a rainbow vomit furry, AND MAMMON INTO A FRICKING AUSTRALIAN
Ozzie gives them impression all the Sins have existed since Hell's inception. Theyve all probably grown complacent. Im sure Satan is a roid raging demon equivalent of this
The Sins stopped giving a shit after centuries of ruling. To quote Alastor 'Why does anyone do anything in Hell? Sheer boredom". Even Lucifer has stopped giving a rats ass
The Greed Ring has laws set in place where if you rob a bank(again who enforce the laws in this universe anyways) you go to jail. Yet Fizz can casually quit his job with no repercussions, not even a mention of him breaking his contract or some bullshit. Both an inch deep and inch wide level world building here.
Mind breaking Fizz through abuse, throwing boiling water onto Fizz, Holding lighters and lit torches near Fizz’s face, Tying Fizz to a conveyor belt moving towards a furnace, giving Fizz the Joshua Graham treatment [again], Ripping Fizz out of his clown-outfit life-support suit and parading him around for all of hell to see like when Griffith is all fricked up in berserk, Sawing off the remainder of Fizz’s horns, Tying Fizz to a chair and giving him the annoying fan ‘you suck, everyone fricking hates you!’ Treatment for hours on end, Locking fizz in a cell with a bunch of fire-crackers and fireworks going off till he’s screaming to be let out, grabbing Fizz’s phone or wallet and getting a photo of him and Asmodeus and burning/breaking it. Killing Fizz, Beheading Fizz, Kicking fizz down a flight of stares, TOTAL FIZZ MINDBREAK FOLLOWED BY DEATH.
Do Zoomers and Gen-Alpha ACTUALLY like Soap operas?…Are Gen-Z+A actually closer to [real] boomers then they are Millenials or Gen-X?
Half of this episode felt like it should have had an audience gasp track and Spanish guitar cues.
They slurp up anything with enough flashing lights and pretty colors. It's outstanding Viv managed to garner a croud through pure overstimulation of the senses, so much so they lose higher brain functions.
In b4 every episode has a split screen with Sewer Surfers and Family Guy clips.
I mean it is colorful and drawn in an interesting style so that was nice at least. I get annoyed with the downplaying of the gothic punk qualities and emphasis of moronic drama, but if it kept being style over substance in that the focus on monster of the week assassination in that art style then I would be more amicable.
>last episodes make a big deal about Fizz being burnt up >this episode the Fish sisters casually set themselves on fire without issue
So are fish people immune to fire or some shit. Why are only some of the demons fire-moronant?
Fizz was burned by green looking fire.
They had blue fire.
Blitzo was burned but he can sit in Earth fire fine. Clearly there are different kinds of fire
Warcraft logic, there’s actual fire, then like ‘demon magic’ which is just black fire and then there’s ‘fel’ which is also demon magic but different or smth, which is green.
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: Fire and plasma are not the same thing. What we observe as fire a process of a chemical reaction, while plasma is a different state of matter altogether. Assuming the annoying imp doesn't die from the extreme gravity and exposure to the vacuum of space, yes he would burn up.
Viz doesn’t explain plots we all have asked or at least a few, but answers weird fans who incorrectly get the smallest things a bit tangled.
Now speaking seriously, the fan designs are just so much better, a bunch of literal snowflakes were attacking artists that redesigned her, it was pathetic
People defend Vivzie like a cult. Maybe she is helped and defended by literal and figuarative demons.
Vivzies problem is that she thinks she is being edgy by indulging in random tornadoes of SHIT AND FRICK AND c**t!!! Every 6 seconds when I reality it just reveals she can't actually do a good show. When south park does it they tend to have a reason. Kyle doesn't just go off on a tirade about gay sex and wieners and c**ts as part of normal conversation.
- He's Angry that the show isn't about funny hell demon assassins killing people on earth (the kill of the week schlock / formula)
- They're Angry that side characters aren't getting the attention he gives them in his fanfics and headcanons
- In that line they're' angry that his Birdfu turned out to be a massive c**t and that the Gay Owl turned out to be the victim instead of their headcanon that said they were the "buttholes" that caused the problem
- They're angry that the main character of the show actually gets character development and will go out of their way to call the show shit because It's not "the premise" they were promissed
- They like to participate in threads about things they supposedly don't like and that makes them angry
>- They're angry that the main character of the show actually gets character development and will go out of their way to call the show shit because It's not "the premise" they were promissed
You mean the premise the show was shopped around as?
Insecurity and lack of skill. Because he had 10 years to show Fizz up and at best failed every time. He's also going to be what most people use as the basedjack in the fandom when you want to strawman just like Viv intended.
>Fizz is painted as an abuse victim even though he KNEW how shitty Mammon was and joined him anyway. >Has a complex about not being good enough because of one fricking guy despite the hundreds that come out to see him. >Acts like a prude pussy who gets all nervous when anyone shows any sexual interest in him despite being a attention whoring bawd who dresses in drag to mafia members one episode prior. >Apparently hates the idea of being lusted after despite dating the literal embodiment of the concept.
People will suggest this is development. But it doesn't feel like it.
At the risk of sounding like a nitpicking fool, It feels like excuses of why a character isn't acting anything like the original design. Like they had a shitty character in mind but had to make up shit to make them sympathetic. And I feel like this keeps happening.
Like:
>Fizzarolli is a vulgar clown that hates Blitzo for betraying him.
"Nuh uh. Those robots were made in his image by Mammon and not like him at all. Also Blitzo was just a huge misunderstanding."
>Stolas is a powerful super demon and proud pervert in charge of deaths to bring more demons to hell.
"Nuh uh. He's a great father who just wants to be whisked away from his royal duties and (rightfully) scornful wife.."
>Well. At least Blitzo is the ideal demon. A fowlmouthed assassin and a huge sociopath who sabotages all of his relationships because of his selfishness. Ultimately shaped by the anarchy ridden plane he was born into.
"He's only like that because his mother died and he's afraid of commitment which is why he has a perverse sense of companionship. Also other demons are pretty tame in comparison."
this sucks, man.
i thought fizz was gonna be a cynical badass, not this crybaby b***hboy who has a mental breakdown over 1 (one) imp-chud
the fizz I had in mind woulda kicked his ass
What really got me after some thought was just how "nice" Fizz was this episode.
>Extremely kind and tender to deaf kid >Acts like a complete fricking beta stuttering and dropping his spaghetti when talking to the clown twins, unironically trying to go with the "m-may the best clown win!" sporting crap.
And many instances of this on-screen murderer turning into a defenseless heap because of a scraggly nerd stalker.
Obviously the former is a pet-the-dog moment and the latter is meant to make Fizz the good guy, the wntire script of the episode tries as hard as possible to make you sympathize with Fizz and Ozzy. The problem is it doesn't make a lick of sense because these same characters are seem to be openly malicious and sadistic towards other people who show weakness. They're cruel jackasses when the point is depicting them as edgy badasses, but when it comes the time for them to be the victim, they turn into poor babies to weep for.
It's crazy to think, but Robo Fizz ended up being 10 times more entertaining than the actual Fizz. I miss that lil' rascal, sad to see him turned into a background mass produced sex doll.
When do we get an episode with all the Oney crew in one sitting
I'd pay money to see Zach and Chris rattle off insane hypotheticals to Blitzo or Corey just be Corey around anyone
Fish demons would fit more to be from Envy since Leviathan is there. I personally would prefer Greed to be mishmash of all the different races of Hell and it's only native denizens being made by Mammon who wants everything to be his. Even people of his ring. Everything coming from his very being and because of the low native population this being one of the most popular places for other kinds of Demons to go to live. All playing into Mammon's greed and wanting everything to be his.
Ehh i don't like the idea of the Sins spawning hellborn. I think Sins can be replaced so i don't likke the idea of them being mini-Gods of their own domains. Just the biggest fish in the pond
If what Ozzy says is right, I think the seven deadly sins were angels cast down from heaven to hell together with Lucifer >which gives them the Paradise Lost backstory >and explains why they look so monstrous
and Ozzy knew him since the beginning of hell
I wonder what they looked like when they were still angels
I prefer them being suito gods of their realms. Or in a way a reason why they exist. I write my own version of HH/HB verse where each ring was created by their Sin due to their overwhelming power and personalities with most of them being Hellborn. Asmodeus and Lucifer being those who fell from heaven and influenced the certain pieces of Hell with their own vices with Asmodeus despite being very powerful because of this strain severely weakening himself due to this. That way each Sin feels like an actual sin. Embodiment of their respective vice that then created entire ring around them.
Also Leviathan being at first mortal who due to loss of his partner fell into envy of every other being after he fled to Hell. This grief and envy giving way to Envy Ring.
No, they're Eels. Fish demons (mob sharks etc.) = Greed ring.
It's cute you guys still think any hellborn species is affiliated with any particular ring when we've already had several episodes where it's obvious that rings don't matter and any hellborn can come from any point of origin as long as Vivzie wishes it.
>Do you think they're our first Envy ring representatives?
I get that this is a fun concept of Viv to try and do, if it wasn't HELL. Why does everything have to make sense and have consistent rules to follow?
It's kinda like with Star Trek where all the aliens you encounter are humanoid with front facing eyes. Yet that's forgivable because of 1) limitations of meta technologies because making monsters was a difficult task and 2) Aliens that have human intelligence might naturally all have to have evolved the way we have. That humanoid bodies are not really a default but one of many templates and there are other "Earths" that could occur and create life similar to ours. Trek even has plenty of "smart space gas" that can generate hallucinations.
Viv insists that all Fish demons HAVE to be Greed, or Dogs are in Gluttony. Hell is what your mind finds insufferable, and often nightmares are our brains trying to comprehend the images that flash in there while we sleep. I get the feeling that Viv doesn't have dreams if this is how uncreative her hellscape is.
You have the opportunity to create things that the world hasn't seen before, and you just make "Disney musical but they're 'demons'."
this sucks, man.
i thought fizz was gonna be a cynical badass, not this crybaby b***hboy who has a mental breakdown over 1 (one) imp-chud
the fizz I had in mind woulda kicked his ass
>Fizz is painted as an abuse victim even though he KNEW how shitty Mammon was and joined him anyway. >Has a complex about not being good enough because of one fricking guy despite the hundreds that come out to see him. >Acts like a prude pussy who gets all nervous when anyone shows any sexual interest in him despite being a attention whoring bawd who dresses in drag to mafia members one episode prior. >Apparently hates the idea of being lusted after despite dating the literal embodiment of the concept.
People will suggest this is development. But it doesn't feel like it.
At the risk of sounding like a nitpicking fool, It feels like excuses of why a character isn't acting anything like the original design. Like they had a shitty character in mind but had to make up shit to make them sympathetic. And I feel like this keeps happening.
Like:
>Fizzarolli is a vulgar clown that hates Blitzo for betraying him.
"Nuh uh. Those robots were made in his image by Mammon and not like him at all. Also Blitzo was just a huge misunderstanding."
>Stolas is a powerful super demon and proud pervert in charge of deaths to bring more demons to hell.
"Nuh uh. He's a great father who just wants to be whisked away from his royal duties and (rightfully) scornful wife.."
>Well. At least Blitzo is the ideal demon. A fowlmouthed assassin and a huge sociopath who sabotages all of his relationships because of his selfishness. Ultimately shaped by the anarchy ridden plane he was born into.
"He's only like that because his mother died and he's afraid of commitment which is why he has a perverse sense of companionship. Also other demons are pretty tame in comparison."
Agreed, I don't mind that they want to show a more emotional side to his character to humanise him, but with them doing it twice back-to-back in the last couple episodes it feels like that's now just his default and not an exception. They set the bar pretty high with Robo Fizz for what he could have been. >Confident, charismatic presence >Takes zero shit >Actually threatening cause of his prosthetics and acrobatic skill
At least we get to see that confident/commanding side of him during the season 1 episode at Ozzie's (and a bit at the end of the latest episode once he gets over his shit), so i'm hoping they haven't just completely forgotten about that part of him.
>so i'm hoping they haven't just completely forgotten about that part of him.
forget it. it's over. they already blew their load with what was gonna be the most interesting story with his character and it was a total disappointment.
there's no hope for this character anymore, and gone with it is my hope of ever enjoying anything about this show ever again. fizzarozzie was pretty much the last bastion of hope I had for this series not fricking something up, but it was silly to expect anything else
I remember some edgy art of fizz naked and ripping apart and torturing a robo-fizz out of a projected self-hate, sucks that this show will never do anything that genuinely edgy or layered.
this show is made for fricking babies, about fricking babies, by fricking babies, complete with the obligatory FCC-mandated "a very special episode" or "sonic sez" segment crammed in there for twitter brownie points
I don't really think Fizz has that persona. With how deep Mammon's claws were shoved up Fizz's ass it's completely possible that he was always a wimp and that Robofizz was just another version Mammon ordered up and abandoned long ago. The flashback supports this too. But fortunately it seems Ozzie isn't nearly as wimpy. And Viv is obviously using Fizz and Ozzie to portray the ideal relationship that Stolas and Blitzo could have if they weren't so fricked up. No way Ozzie doesn't give Fizz a bazooka arm or something after what happened this episode.
He doesn't have that persona because viv decided she wanted him to be a twinky uwu soft boy instead. There's no other thought put into this writing other than what gets viv off.
I mean in Episode 7 his persona seems to align in some ways with the robot one. Definitely not as aggressively antagonistic, but he's got stage presence, wit, confidence, and seems to revel in the fame he has going on as a celebrity icon/sellout.
Oh definitely. But given the context that Fizz went through getting kidnapped, semi-reconciling with Blitzo, and the insane stress of great competition along with Mammon squeezing so tight he could barely breathe. In short, it wouldn't make much sense this episode. As long as he has Ozzie though he'll get his groove back unless Viv really hates you.
>Was that a sin
The fact you have to ask speaks to how bad the design is.
I just thought that was a popular girl dog.
If she's dating a hellhound than I have no idea why any of them give a shit about fricking imps.
Blitz got loona from the pound so I don't think imps are below them in pecking order.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>If she's dating a hellhound than I have no idea why any of them give a shit about fricking imps
My assumption is that since Ozzie is the Demon Lord of Lust, him being in an actual romantic relationship would be seen as hypocritical and weak.
But again, the hierarchy has never made sense to begin with so idk. Viv cares very little about lore.
Bee is shagging a Hellhound, who are bottom of the barrel, and nobody batted an eye.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This is the real Beel for me, and she (picrel name file)
8 months ago
Anonymous
Now speaking seriously, the fan designs are just so much better, a bunch of literal snowflakes were attacking artists that redesigned her, it was pathetic
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I'd hit
8 months ago
Anonymous
Ok but she gets to keep the annoying jersey shore frickboy accent because that actually gets me
8 months ago
Anonymous
Hellhounds are literally below imps in the pecking order. They literally don't know how to keep consistency. They called Striker who's opposed to relationships between the poor and rich a supremacists.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>They called Striker who's opposed to relationships between the poor and rich a supremacists.
I'm still baffled by that. What did they mean by Supremacist? A supremacist for what? Imp Supremacy? Striker mostly just seems to really hate the nobles. He's a halfbreed anyways so being racist doesn't really make sense.
Only just watched the episode. I gather it won't be controversial to say Mammon is the best Deadly Sin so far, and by a good stretch?
Like holy frick, finally someone that actually fully and unrepentantly encompasses the fricking SIN he represents. No Asmodeus dropping his initial good impression to become a sappy romanticist, no Beelzebub hitting the brakes and pushing for temperance of all things when she sees someone going off the deep end, no Lucifer "Mr. Morning Star himself" apparently letting a lowly sinner give him lip.
Maybe my perspective is skewed and thus my expectations lowered, but I wholeheartedly enjoyed that funny fat frick, Maybe there's hope for Satan/Belph/Levi yet.
>Hope for Belph
Belph is supposed to be 24/7 on the toilet. But according Bee he's a she. So I bet to keep everything on the up and up she's not going to be the Belphegor we want or need.
Not him, but in a leaked Animatic that's like two seconds long Alastor grabs Lu's cane and shakes it to introduce himself, the clip ends prematurely so we don't know what happens next, but we all know in our hearts we won't see Alastor finally getting his shit kicked in because he thought he could act like he's above fricking Lucifer of all people.
Hazbin leak where Alastor walks up to Lucifer and just shamelessly grabbs his cane to say wassup.
Unknown yet how big L reacts to that, but come on, look at me in the eye and tell me Viv will let her precious, wanked-as-hell childhood OC actually get his teeth kicked in for his cheek.
It would have been more funny like the JoJo crossover fanfic where Diavolo has King Crimson impale Alastor through the chest. He could still wince at the pain and have a strained smile but chuckling and coughing up blood at Lucifer. The emphasis of strong nerves but still learning how threatening Lucifer really is would have been funny, or if Alastor is a warlock of Lucifer of some kind which would explain the familiarity.
Hazbin leak where Alastor walks up to Lucifer and just shamelessly grabbs his cane to say wassup.
Unknown yet how big L reacts to that, but come on, look at me in the eye and tell me Viv will let her precious, wanked-as-hell childhood OC actually get his teeth kicked in for his cheek.
the spitting image of "lust" and "greed" right here...
>Hope for Belph
Belph is supposed to be 24/7 on the toilet. But according Bee he's a she. So I bet to keep everything on the up and up she's not going to be the Belphegor we want or need.
Worse a its an OC self insert party girl diaper fur who's actually a closeted artist forced to be sinful and just wants to paint because she's always inspired but she's a demon and demons must sin.
So tragic
That was stupid. Power needs to be demonstrated to make an impact. In Dragon Ball as an example, if someone powers up to be big and scary, they'll actually demonstrate they aren't just showboating by having them blow up a fricking mountain, or punch a hole straight through someone's chest. In Berserk, Guts showed off the awesome power of the Berserker armor by cracking Grunbled's enormous cannon shield right down the middle.
Every demon power-up we've seen in Helluvaboss has been no more meaningful than those caterpillars that inflate themselves to look like a snake. For all we know the demons are incredibly weak and a normie human can overtake them. It's why kings used to attend public executions, you don't frick with the guy that can have you killed by saying some words.
>For all we know the demons are incredibly weak and a normie human can overtake them
Considering all the Alastor wank in hazbin this may aswell be canon
Alastorgays will eat it up, he'll be a character who can do whatever the frick he wants to absolutely anybody without consquences, and he'll also have 'Le sad traumatic backstory!'
Can’t wait for this whole arch to be copied and pasted on Angel Dust. Mmmm bot love seeing the same 3 personalities and the same 2 conflicts repeated over and over
I've seen this mentioned in one of the first threads about this episode, but this would have been a lot better if Fizz didn't go through a "Never meet your heroes" arc and instead Fizz knew since he was a kid that Mammon is a total shitbag, but being under him gives him more fortune and fame than he could ever really hope to dream of otherwise, he's too greedy and prideful to quit.
It would give Fizz an actual character flaw that he could overcome in this episode instead of "Look at this poor innocent Imp!"
Pretty much. I would personally do it like this. Fizz at first wants to be close to Mammon due to his own Greed and then getting his taste of it and feeling shitty because of it, that would make sense. He wants all of the attention, he wants that money, he wants all of it, but like Mammon he is never satisfied, but unlike Mammon he cannot cope with it because Mammon unlike him is embodiment of Greed and so he feels empty and self destroys himself to fill the hole he himself created and because of that becomes rotten at his core even more and has to get away from this.
I just bothered to watch this show and binge it starting 2 days ago. I love the voice acting, music score, colors, Blitz, Blitz's quips, and a few other characters. I fully understand why people obsess over this show, but since I'm not incredibly gay, I have to wonder why I'm watching an entire episode where I watch a posh cartoon owl getting off. Why does this show hyper hyper HYPER sexualize gay characters but the only real sexuality presented from female characters is catty and holier-than-thou? Oh nobody gives a shit they just wanna goon to the rule34 of the show, that's what all of this is about
It's gay melodrama, a fanfic tier high school talent competition, realistic panic attack, mid songs, a stand in character to represent vivs "haters," and another villain to add to the pile that will never do anything of substance.
As a hater, ill say it was tolerable up until Fizz starts bawling his eyes out like a b***h then proceeds to have his girlboss moment with some obnoxious pop music
I'll say I'm developing physical revulsion for any Vivziepop character that isn't Charlie, Alastor, or Verosika.
I never liked the main cast of Helluva. Verosika brought me in.
I love verosika’s design i hate that her being a pop star/celebrity and a c**t is no longer unique to her character. Let’s hope she doesn’t get butchered in her next appearance ( if that happens)
>if you like hot anthro girls as any red bloodied straight human male does, youre part of our fursuit wearing, diaper shitting, vore loving cult!
No, just, no.
And traps arent gay, right?
Thats a diferent thing, comparing apples to oranges there
>j-just cause i have a furry fetish doesnt mean i have a furry fetish! >you want me to jerk off to vore and diapers!
Anon what the frick are you talking about?
8 months ago
Anonymous
the point is hmofa enjoyers are pure and do not deserve to be simply lumped with the furshit fandom, we're better
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're worse for bringing in raceplay elements.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Raceplay is better than furhomosexualry. One doesn't involve dog fricking
8 months ago
Anonymous
But you both want to the frick the dog. You just say "human male" like gays say "no homo", except you're not being ironic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Being driven by the desire to frick an exotic woman as opposed to any woman who looks like a dog is pretty objectively better
8 months ago
Anonymous
If that were the case your fetish wouldn't be centered around fricking animal women.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>liking to see humans putting furbois into their place and taking their women with our superior BHC is worse than the other degenerate shit furgays are into
The only one with such a shit opinion would be a triggered furgay who sees himself as getting cucked by hmofa enjoyers.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Raceplay is better than furhomosexualry. One doesn't involve dog fricking
>liking to see humans putting furbois into their place and taking their women with our superior BHC is worse than the other degenerate shit furgays are into
The only one with such a shit opinion would be a triggered furgay who sees himself as getting cucked by hmofa enjoyers.
I thought i was in /flg/ for a moment...
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're furries that get mad when you get called furries. You can claim you're different or that 'furry' means something it doesn't but I don't entertain furgay autism, simple as.
8 months ago
Anonymous
'furry' specifically is known to mean the mentally ill fursuit wearing, furcon attending degenerates with fursonas, hmofa chads just want to bang their women as HUMANS and therefore are not FURRIES
How hard is this for your pea brain to get?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're still a furry. Calling yourself a chad doesn't make it true.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Furry means having a fetish for fricking animal women. HMOFA decided they didn't like being called what they are, so they pretend the definition is different. You know who else does that?
Trannies.
8 months ago
Anonymous
furry specifically means someone with a fursona
hmofa enjoyers do not have fursonas and self insert into a human male in drawings instead
ergo hmofa enjoyers are not furries
case fricking closed furBlack person
8 months ago
Anonymous
No it doesn't anon. Most do, but being attracted to animal characters would definitely classify you as a furry.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>furry specifically means someone with a fursona
There you go trying to say the definition is different, like a troony does. >case fricking closed furBlack person
I'm not a furry, moron. I'm outside your furgay fandom and I'm laughing at you.
Quite frankly its funny you think anyone making fun of you is a conspiracy to drag you to the big bad diaper cult, says a lot about your mental state.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You don't need to have a fursuit or fursona to be a furry. I say this as a furry.
An attraction to furry people counts.
8 months ago
Anonymous
My man, just say you want to frick the goth wolf. Playing mental gymnastics to try and justify your position or separate yourself from furries is making it worse.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Anon that's literaly what we say everytime, it's the likes of you that needs to lumps us with the disguting part of the furry community
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, you always follow it up with "as a human man cause I'm a chad I dont like vore or diapers I'm a redblooded male".
Fizz may be the focus of the episode but you guys have been the clowns since day 1.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're the one lumping yourself with the disgusting part by saying that being a furry means being into diapers or whatever. Being a furry is being a fan of anthropomorphic animals, nothing more.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This
Hmofa = James Kirkian endeavor to go where no man has gone before; widen ones horizons and sow seeds as far as the universe will allow
Furry = mental derangement that being human isn't good enough, that life can only be fulfilled by imagining oneself as an animal with human features
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds more like you both wanna frick dogs, hmofa just jerk themselves off about it. You're both the same to me.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, hmofa is directly adjacent to, or in many cases, combined with xenophilia.
Being furry is like...body dysmorphia or something.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Fetish for animal women = furry
Hmogays love playing revisionist for some reason.
8 months ago
Anonymous
So basically furries are a lot like cyborgs in deus ex human revolution?
8 months ago
Anonymous
No. Cyborgs and transhumanism are a belief that the human form can be improved or surpassed.
Furries just want to be an entirely goddamn different species for some reason.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Furries just want to frick the furry girl, the fursona shit is deeper down the pipeline.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Different species don't have to pay taxes
I've never been molested by a rabbit lady or a dog girl
>if you like hot anthro girls as any red bloodied straight human male does, youre part of our fursuit wearing, diaper shitting, vore loving cult!
No, just, no.
[...]
Thats a diferent thing, comparing apples to oranges there
the point is hmofa enjoyers are pure and do not deserve to be simply lumped with the furshit fandom, we're better
This
Hmofa = James Kirkian endeavor to go where no man has gone before; widen ones horizons and sow seeds as far as the universe will allow
Furry = mental derangement that being human isn't good enough, that life can only be fulfilled by imagining oneself as an animal with human features
'furry' specifically is known to mean the mentally ill fursuit wearing, furcon attending degenerates with fursonas, hmofa chads just want to bang their women as HUMANS and therefore are not FURRIES
How hard is this for your pea brain to get?
furry specifically means someone with a fursona
hmofa enjoyers do not have fursonas and self insert into a human male in drawings instead
ergo hmofa enjoyers are not furries
case fricking closed furBlack person
These girls are just basic bawds with some polkadots on them..
For someone who supposedly loves the circus aesthetic, viv doesn't really use it for anyone but male characters.
>the anon that DOESN'T want the thiccer poodles is thinking with his dick
Uhhhh what
There are multiple kinda of circus performers, anon. Fizz fits into the classical jester archetype. The Eel sisters are more cirque de soleil.
8 months ago
Anonymous
More like cirque de souless
8 months ago
Anonymous
The sisters are generic pop star b***hes, they're 5% clown at best.
Or just attractive characters with a sense of confidence. A shame no nicely plush chicks are shown except for shortstack black succubus of Verosika's posse, I have no issue of body types but I want women to be allowed more time to be erotic.
Viv realized that for S1 Fizz and Ozzie she made two gays the bad guys, we can't have that so now they're good.
I expect Vox's and Valentino's relationship to get scrapped because of this too.
I thought the forbidden part was being with an imp not that he had a romantic (not purely sexual) thing going.
Also, if the demon lord of lust is not wholly lustful. Doesnt that invalidate him from being lust incarnate?
If all the demon lords turn out to be softies at heart who actually preach tolerance and moderation this setting might well be the worst hell ever concieved.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Already forgot about Mammon and Paimon? Are you just inventing things to preemptively get angry at?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Mammon is a cringe rock star agent and Paimon is dead and irrelevant
8 months ago
Anonymous
Paimon is not one of the demon lords. And I guess its ok to make Mammon an butthole cos greed cannot get a progressive spin.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>greed cannot get a progressive spin.
He could have been an e girl who sold bath water
8 months ago
Anonymous
Paimon is a head of the Goetia family. While he's definitely not a sin I doubt he isn't on the level of Demon Lord. I feel like if Mammon was a progressive people would just b***h about him being Engels in disguise or some bullshit like that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>While he's definitely not a sin I doubt he isn't on the level of Demon Lord.
I thought it was established canon that the ars goetia are below the sins.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Well nobody ever fights in this show but yes they technically are
8 months ago
Anonymous
After Viv de-canonized the Voxtragram posts I would take lore stuff like that with a grain of salt. But let's say that Paimon is objectively less powerful than a sin, I really doubt that will stop him from making Stolas's life well..........hell. I really can't see anyone else being the final boss of this series right now.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The Deadly Sins seem to come off more like spoiled Nepo Babies. They aren't really all that respected, and they only seem powerful in that they get big when they're angry but even then they don't do shit when they do get big so what's the point.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Viv thinks being a spoiled nepo baby = being actually socially powerful and respected
huh, I think you're onto something anon
8 months ago
Anonymous
Some are. Some aren't. It seems that the sins could be titles than could be claimed or handed down. That could explain the stark difference between someone like Beelz, her sis, and Ozzie for example. The point is that they're all popular as FRICK. For different reasons. That's what makes them sins before anything else.
8 months ago
Anonymous
this episode pretty much disproved the sin title idea entirely. Asmodeus has been the sin of lust since the dawn of hell itself, as has Mammon for greed
8 months ago
Anonymous
Those two frick straight white human men.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oz mentions knowing Mammon since Hell's inception.
You know one thing I feel like is a big missed opportunity in this show, is keeping Sinners out of hell. It never quite made sense to me why the Overlords would settle for fighting for scraps and tiny districts in the Pride ring, when it would make much more sense if there was fighting over trying to overthrow the Deadly Sins and try and take over their districts for their own.
People keep bringing up how well Valentino embodies the sin of Lust better than Ozzie does, and having a sinner challenge Ozzie's rule would probably make for a better B plot than recycling the same sappy love drama over again.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>keeping Sinners out of Hell
The other rings of Hell I mean.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>keeping sinners out of hell
Wasn't there some lore reason for that? I think it's to ensure they are easier for the angels to locate and eradicate. Otherwise they'd probably just go yolo and start targeting the other rings to reach their kill quota. This way its all on one place and only former humans get eradicated.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I could've sworn it's just because Lucifer wants to keep them there all for himself more than anything.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>People keep bringing up how well Valentino embodies the sin of Lust better than Ozzie does
Or you know, Vivziepop could just write Ozzie to actually be the sin of Lust rather than wholesome concerned gay sugar daddy.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Some are. Some aren't. It seems that the sins could be titles than could be claimed or handed down. That could explain the stark difference between someone like Beelz, her sis, and Ozzie for example. The point is that they're all popular as FRICK. For different reasons. That's what makes them sins before anything else.
The sins have been in hell longer than Lucifer has, if you believe that one statement Viv's staff made. He didn't show up till later.
I don't think they are fallen angels, at least not all of them. Mammon and Ozzie certainly don't seem to be, apparently.
I think this is more like pathfinder/dnd hell where the abyss already existed and the devil came down later to take the crown after a failed Rebellion.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It seems most of modern pop culture has ripped from D&D but didn't take any of the fun bits nor the context for why those tropes existed to begin with, maybe let the characters have more balls on themselves except when it would come across as moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>overthrowing the sins
The sins are presented as primordial forces who have been around since Hell's creation. They probably cannot be overthrown, and any lapses in their projection of power is probably due to complacency or laziness.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. What the frick is the point if no one likes them. No one fears them. They aren’t actually that powerful. And don’t feel a representation or incarnation of their sin. They don’t even have an implied nepotistic or monarchistic reason for being there. They’re just a fricking waste of time and another shitty written character to sale merch and sexualize. Literal Family Guy/zombie Simpsons tier writing and composing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>What the frick is the point if no one likes them.
I mean all 3 of the demon lords we've seen so far have had huge followings.
I think the problem is that they are treated more like Hollywood celebrities than actual kings/queens/rulers. It comes off as very vapid and weird, like Brad Pitt and Johhny Depp having a staredown at the Oscars while their plebs look on.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Doesnt Vivzie live in soCal? Kinda checks out. It seems like she is incapable of writing a setting that doesnt resemble the vapid party culture if california
8 months ago
Anonymous
I would have hoped at least for the snark of the vapid culture like the nobles at awards making snide remarks and coughing names under their breath more. Hell (pun sort of intended), at least allow for more shameless debauchery and depravity like with Spring Broken but just don't attach 15 minutes of melodrama to 15 seconds of fun depravity.
because kids who were gay in suburban neighborhoods (tumblr) will relate to not wanting to get found out. also keeping your parents from finding out your making out with your best friend while he comes over to "hang out" is exciting and heartwarming to them.
Holy frick, I wanna BE Angel Dust.
From the first moment I saw him, all the way back in the gooseworx music video, he stuck in my head like an earworm and never left. I went through puberty with characters like him and mettaton at the back of my mind making my nips tingle and question my sexuality.
I remember doodling him in notebooks and planning cosplays even as far back as the pilot, I just identified with him in a strange way like he was my aesthetic ideal, a skinny, silly snarky guy with a penchant for fabulous style, cute, cool, and beautiful in equal, overflowing measure.
I have over 600 saved images of him, and I unironically watch comic dubs featuring him. My favourite ship is huskerdust, radiodust is for tasteless gayhags.
He's informed not only my sexuality (and where humanized fanart is concerned, body goals), but also my sense of style. I have an entire pinterest wishlist titled 'what would angel dust wear', with everything from classy ivory tuxedos and pinstripe suits to fishnets and fluffy sweaters. I even tried bleaching my hair one time to match so much the humanized fanart of him.
Alas, I'm doomed in this regard, I will never reach that aesthetic aryan ideal, because I am a 5"7 manlet with both a receeded chin and a norwood 3 at the ripe age of 20.
I am dirt broke and will never be able to afford any of the cosmetic surgery for this, much less limb lengthening. if I don't kill myself first I will live to see absolute eternal twinkdeath having never been twinkalive.
I can only hope a 5/10 gaycel like me can snag myself a sugar daddy with deep enough pockets to make me his perfect personal dress-up doll. Frick me man.
You have to dress according to your body type. There are all sorts of guides on how to do this and there are working styles for every body type including ugly things.
You can be Angeldust in ways beside visuals. Focus on that and you will be happy.
Making him so painfully evil made him the most boring of the "sins". I don't like how you have to be sympathetic in this show to be somewhat of a character, and anyone who's evil is just a flat dumbass.
I actually like his and Stella's shameless malevolence, it was when there was supposed to be nuance of political optics that it irked me but now it really doesn't matter so let them be as shamelessly depraved as possible.
They just stand out as basic strawmen in a show that loves to portray the heroes as super tragic figures. Like they're kid show characters in an adult series.
The problem isn't their malevolence. It's how petty the underlining of that evil is.
Stella hates her husband because hes a homosexual and is murderous over that. Mammon wants to have American Idol but evulz. These are such petty fricking goals.
If it hasn't changed, you'll see Millie being the insecure one when she tries to kill herself when some jackass tells her she's "holding her husband back."
Kinda weird the episode card doesn't feature Mammon's symbol as tradition despite it practically being everywhere in the episode compared to Bee or Ozzie's.
Big breasts can't save a small ass. A big ass makes up for small boobs. Therefore,
Ass > Boobs
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Big breasts can't save a small ass
Small boobs are better anyway. Fat ass is just bad. Slender frame is the objectively superior choice. >Boobs don't have any frick holes
We are just counting aesthetics here.
>Striker wants to kill stolas and Blitz >Stella and her family wants to kill Stolas >Moxxie's dad wants to kill Blitz, Mox and maybe Fizz now >Mammon wants revenge on Fizz and Mammon
It's sorta funny how everyone except Loona and Mill have their own villain now. Y'know the other two characters that take up space on the poster of this show.
My problem with this chart is that it doesn't really account for what is really a pretty flexible system when you think about it.
Like how do you classify Crim properly? Yes, he's an imp, but in terms of influence he's a pseudo-overlord who built his own criminal empire. He commands the loyalty of demons who are more powerful than him physically.
What's even the point of the Goetia? They don't seem to do any administrating at all. Stolas seems to only do parties and whine about his existence.
In any sufficiently complex world all hierarchies are "flexable". IRL if you are a literal slave of an extremely powerful aristocrat you have a lot of sway that a free man with no nobility has. A merchant may have more money and political influence than a noble who only has his owner and title and is broke. But at the same time the broke noble can go mingle among the other nobles and be more respected than the merchant.
The worst thing about this show, and I say this 100% unironically, is what they did to Stolas.
He was my nr 1 favorite demon. He's this funny owl dude with a crown on and big old legs that knew a lot of information about minerals and plants and would tell you cool facts about rocks if summoned.
Now if I google him I won't find the funny owl dude, I will find one of the gayest, most annoying characters in fiction.
It's not fricking fair. It's a fricking travesty
>Now if I google him I won't find the funny owl dude, I will find one of the gayest, most annoying characters in fiction.
Good. All demons should be depicted as obnoxious gay homosexuals, because that's what they all are.
They aren't real to begin with so they can be whatever the frick a writer wants them to be.
How many different kinds of elves are there?
>demons aren’t real sinner
Unironically what demonic forces want us to believe.
They aren't real, they can be anything.
Yeah but Beelzebub was popular and well known before. Him being depicted as a bee dog woman(for some incomprehensible reason) isn't going to tarnish his reputation.
Stolas was not well known. This is how 90% of people will think of him now.
>t.
Demon worshiper here. Ever since this show came out, there's been an influx of teenagers joining demon-worshipping circles who pray to Stolas JUST BECAUSE they like his Helluva Boss representation.
>Demon worshipper
What's the point
These kids coming in thinking it's all fun and roses when the point of summoning demons is to ruin the lives of others.
The consequence to being a demon worshiper is that you eventually have to reap what you sow, and if being surrounded by shit head teenagers isn't divine punishment, I don't know what is.
I just want to frick the hellhound.
believing in them might push somebody to heinous behaviour. They might be used as an excuse
You do realize demons aren't actually real, right
You clearly haven't been to /x enough. [Spoiler] Keep it that way.[/spoiler]
>he believes /x/ posts
>The consequence to being a demon worshiper is that you eventually have to reap what you sow, and if being surrounded by shit head teenagers isn't divine punishment, I don't know what is.
Maybe you should stop being a demon worshiper, then.
Does that make him stronger or something
No, but could make it very difficult to find reliable info in the future.
You and those teenagers need Jesus. Get away from demon worship, it’ll only lead to disappointment and hellfire
actual follower of Yeshua Tzolov here, frick you christcuck, Catholicism and all the subsequent "christian" churches and religions are laughable in their dogma and teachings. Also "hellfire" just because the Catholic church insisted in the concept of hell being added to "christian" texts to scare the population into obedience doesn't mean the place is. There is only the presence of Yesh and the absence of Yesh. Yesh is represented by fire and light, therefore his absence is cold and dark. This whole bs of hellfire is fueled entirely by the writings of a fricking batshit crazy fricktard in a damn cave. Love from /x/, thanks for sending all the zoom zooms our way, much better instructing them there than here.
>/x/gay
What a loser
Says the Cinemaphileomer who spends all day jerking off to cartoon characters, heh pathetic. Don't come around asking for us to fix your tulpa any time soon.
I don't use tulpas, /x/gay. Thats your department.
Zoroaster is the one true Prophet and Ahura Mazda is the one true God.
>/x/ is wrong and chaos magic is insane even though putting the names and actual sigils of the Goetic and other demons in a show leads to the downstream sociological effect of zoomers and Gen-Alpha becoming /x/gays, proving the power of investment of belief.
Just put in SMT with your search and you'll be fine
This is funny to me like bros just a lil guy, I'm now assuming that one bird from that avatar episode is based off Stolas.
I know he's a demon but I like him, funny lil smart owl.
THEY MASACARED MY STINKY flying BASTARD!
he looks like a FREAKING BEE DOG with lava belly who A VOICEd by Kesha.......
Seriously frick this gay fujo shit !
I did not recognize him at all at first
>I love kids Fizzie! I LOVE KIDS!!
https://files.catbox.moe/2e2ia1.PNG
if blitzo was in this shape as fizz's bodyguard, that'd be real funny
What a terrible day to have eyes
>modern pre-teen's twitter view of Hell
Motherfricker I've been following Vivziepop since 2015. I never cared about this hell shit.
Where the frick are the new Zoophobia pages VIVZIEEE?!
Anon you saw the direction Zoophobia was going. It would be just as awful as this.
The amount of money Lackadaisy raises on it's own and Digital Circus' views are going to kick Viv off her throne.
No Loona, no view. Simple as.
>new episode
>its shit
Shocking.
Your next line is,
>That unsolicited opinion piece by a self-admitted schizo
How about no?
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>frick, not another jojo reference
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My nitpicks of this episode that I still liked cause I still like to enjoy things from time time I guess. Plus I like clowns.
-I had no idea that Fizz had a boss? Or like a job? Was there anything before that mentioned this? I thought he was just a sugar baby.
-Fizz somehow ended up bagging TWO upper level Sin Lords? (And if you think Mammon wasn't fricking him, then you've never had a job in entertainment or retail before)
-Why was the contest a real contest? If Fizz is the Micky-brand-head of your company, why threaten to replace him every year?
-Ozzy (the fricking LUST demon) is now too motherly hen over Fizz. He can be in love with him, sure, but what's with him being constantly worried about him?
-Episode further ruins how Hell operates and Vivi is dumb.
-Mammon was the best part and is now highest in my book for best Lords/coolest characters but wtf is he keeping Ozzy's secret? Just spill the beans. Ozzy did in the end anyway, but it's like why? So everyone in Hell tweeted out that your in love (again, Lust demon. Lust can and does = love) and...now what?
-Where's Moxxie and Mily? They went as bodyguards to LuLu Land for a Prince. Why not to this contest where there's TWO Demon Lords?
-The fricking deaf kid and Fizz knowing sign language? Ironically I watched this episode after the South Park special that I thought was great and all I could think of was the Panderstone. Like you die and go to hell as a kid and you get to be deaf in the afterlife too? Well that sucks.
The deaf kid is hellborn.
i can see the competition being for "what would make more money, keeping fizz around or getting someone new?"
I think Fizz's boss was maybe off handedly mentioned in the first circus episode, where Blitzo is guarding goeshia's?
The contest makes sense, essentially acting as a brand deal and keeping the stars from getting too big a head to go against Mammon. Shows how easily you can be replaced, so don't get uppity.
For Ozzy being too motherly, last episode literally had Fizz get kidnapped and almost murdered. It makes sense to be like that.
As far as Mammon keeping Ozzy's secret, I think it's a 'don't start shit, won't be shit' method. Why would he spread that shit for no reason other than to piss off a peer? I think the reason Ozzy wouldn't want that getting out is going to get revealed in a later episode, but I'm hoping it's something that essentially puts an end to Ozzy.
The contest itself is moronic, since mammon should have multiple stars at once if he really actually cared about money. Obviously one or 2 are going to be the biggest, but realistically there should be a ton more employed by him.
Sure, but the real question is where does the money in hell originate from? Is there a bank? Does Mammon own the bank? If so, why would he need to get people to buy shit to give him more money?
Regardless, I'm just glad there's actually a deadly sin that's actually evil.
>have a deaf kid
>episode doesn't have a pov shot from the deaf kid with Loona rambling at him
>see new episode is up
>no stolas or loona
>just gay clowns
i sleep
>tumblr is dead
>tumblr sexymen still exist
I wish Tumblr was dead Elon's X bullshit is giving it a second wind
If it weren't for the tumblr purge, most of the tumblrites wouldn't have move to Twitter and made it worse in the first place.
>go to tumblr for first time in 6 years
>2/3rds of the screen is now taken up by absurdly huge sidebars that have literally no reason to be that size with the actual posts you want to see barely having any room
This hideous UI is more offensive to me than any of the moronic changes Elon has made to xitter so far. Absolutely fricking unusable and a preliminary google search doesn't show any extensions that restore it to a decent, older layout either.
I know tumblr changed the UI just to copy old Twitter because of the Elon Musk situation. Good thing I have a userscript to get rid of the Livestream thing that they are forcing to show to others on the dashboard. Because tumblr wants to be the next Twitch too.
I never really got it, but this episode really made me question why does the whole thing have to be set in this fictional hell. In the pilot it felt like a cool idea, heck, even Stolas felt like this badass demon prince who fricks guys behind his wife's back because he doesn't give a frick and who plots ways to get more people into hell, but now it's just a gay romance, and the setting's just in the way.
Stolas was 100 times better in the pilot by the simple fact that he actually felt like a Demon Prince. He was this malevolent creature that actively sowed chaos wherever he could, had a sense of regality and power in his mannerisms, and did whatever the frick he wanted.
>homosexual clown melodrama
yawn
How come this show keeps getting gayer?
It's devolving into shit vivz REALLY wants to write. I could handle episodes where the melodrama is 50% but this is just unbearable
It feels like the last episode I remember that wasn't gay shit, the camp one, felt uninspired and weak. And it was still about relationships. The show has come a long way from the cherub episode that just had the imps doing a job.
>still giving a shit about viv's slop toons when we have far better indie cartoons Murder Drones and Amazing Digital Circus
Why are you guys like this? Is it your latent homosexualry?
Go away tribegay
A few reasons. One, sunk cost fallacy. Two, we enjoy our anger.
Sad. I'd figure most of you wouldve moved on by now after the combo of helluva turning into yaoi and viv firing of of hazbin's VAs.
All of her shows are a trainwreck now.
It's legitimately incredible how this show continues to get worse. I thought it might bounce and get a little bit better. But no. It's just additional tumblr melodrama, over and over.
It's like watching a train go off the rails again and again. It's fascinating.
It truly is impressive that Viv has managed to have seasonal rot even in the first one and completely contradict Hazbin's entire premise instead of just being a different continuity or a more mature take on Heaven/Hell like the gothic punks of the 2000s.
The cherubs were kind of blue balling given Beach and Loo Loo land were so well done and had a stronger grounding. They were more Psychonauts 1 crossed with Panty and Stocking directed by Tim Burton than Invader Zim crossed with Bojack and Sausage Party directed by Justin Roiland.
Thanks doc
And the show is still extremely successful.
You guys aren't the target audience.
>5 million views
That’s the size of a small town at best.
That tweet really loses any sense of impressiveness when you realize that "5 million views per 24 hours" compared to all the other episodes using the same metric means each episode is slowly losing viewership. Next episode is going to be "4 million views in 24 hours" and all the fans will cheer and praise their queen. Repeat with 3.5 million the following episode, and so on...
I just checked the previous episodes and they consistently have 12-14m views.
Every series loses viewership over time. That's a fact. The fact they continually gets millions after 5? years is imprssive
>"but those are not impressive numbers!" replies above
makes me happy these homosexuals still crying
take that shitty murder drones thing for example. Episode 5 and can't no longer touch 10 millions
About the episode finally something worth watching since so long . 3 episodes just being unsalbable garbage we get something decent.
>something decent
This episode was garbage though.
So is the target audience babies who watch this shit on loop? Because that's the only people who use Youtube like that.
How many views did Skibidi Toilet 67 (part 1) get in its first 24 hours?
I am
, so my problem is that I am expecting a mature take on the Christian afterlives with the sense of fun? By mature that doesn't mean talking about wieners and making continual references to them but mature as not having the cast be a bunch of UwU sadboi gays and more people who have accepted their choices in life.
Imagine the hugs.
>le criticism is le bad, because it just is okay?
Jesus Christ, Vivienne. You know people are justified to hate your show, right? Especially from shitty worldbuilding and retcons so the show can meet your vision regardless if it makes sense or not.
Vivienne literally can't take criticism. She throws very public tantrums if she feels threatened.
i wanna frick him so bad its insane
Fatherless behavior
non't
ill have you know i have a great relationship with my dad, i got mommy issues instead
I kind of got hard at them ngl, I have a thing for aggressive and b***hy women but damn Viv hit it out of the park with them. They remind me of DeeDee from Batman Beyond and Sheego, excellent tastes for once from her show.
They have a whole song about wanting to sell themselves
Who wouldn't like them?
I appreciate how Viv does give them booty. Not enough appreciation for shapely buttocks in adult animation compared to breasts. I feel though Viv knows my tastes but keeps blueballing me with the sappy gay teen melodrama.
They also have big breasts under their shirts
Somehow
Maybe same material as Blitzo pants for his allegedly huge knob
this episode was bawdtier than the episode that took place in the actual lust ring.
greed ring has got it goin on
You have no idea what people will do fir money.
The horniness of this episode was nice, it just keeps irking me that Viv can't help herself and crowbar in sophomoric melodrama. Shocked Verosika wasn't in this episode but at least the twins are similarly hot.
That is what the show is definitely having a problem with, crowbarring the melodrama when the audience just wants horny demons. Cherubs would have been fine if it wasn't Hazbin's continuity conflicting and the progressives shitting on christianity every five seconds. Agents just had god awful writing from beginning to end sans Millie and Loona. She just needs to stick to being Panty and Stocking but demons instead of this moronic drama she wants audience to cry over.
>as if this show isn’t full of generic bawds.
I love eating stale bread everyday too.
At least they are actually hot and have that confidence that most of the main characters lack. Even Ozzie and Fizz I thought were going to be more confident but no they had to nerf them as well. Can any male have a sense of confidence or masculinity not be completely undercut?
>Can any male have a sense of confidence or masculinity not be completely undercut?
You expect a tumblr show to portray anything but toxic masculinity stereotypes? It's already teetering on the edge of being 100% gay characters.
Fair enough, holy frick this show is Steven Universe but even worse written. At least there was an attempt at some moral standards without as much much being weird moralgays as often as this show. At least Steven was charming and cute compared to Blitzo needing to be beaten to death.
>compared to Blitzo needing to be beaten to death.
This was one of the points of the show before it turned to shit. I really want to see whatever abortion hazbin is going to be since viv is apparently unwilling to just have hell be full of shitty people.
I would probably not care as much but the show jerks off how kooky cool and "sexy" he is supposed to be, at least Archer had those qualities and Archer and Rick got their shit kicked in by life. It is how they keep pushing Blitzo being a charmer but can't let him be brutalized more often for the amusing karma.
The song reminded me of many of the top hits . like Unholy, billie eilish ,etc. if I had my pick I would frick Beelzebub but these 2 have potential too
>Those artifacts
Jesus, at least TRY to get somewhat better quality
God they're sexy
I don't understand these two. Wasn't this a clown contest? Why was the final event a pop song sing off equestria girls style.
Never heard of Pagliacci? Fizz's song beginning especially was a take on that
I don't watch comedians. They aren't funny.
Why does she love drawing characters with that smile? Feels like anime sameface sometimes.
Best part of the episode no question. I love em. b***hy, arrogant women are hot.
>two episodes in a row with no involvement of the I.M.P crew
What the hell has Millie, Moxxie and Loona been doing for two episodes
>S1: IMP doing their thing with Stolas being the stereotypical rich, funny, gay/bi british guy who gives them work and has a thing for the main protag; the romance hasn't started but Blitzo is picking up on Stolas's cues
>S2: IMP still doing their thing but now they're getting more lucrative work from the higher beings of Hell. Realizing that IMP are now well-known and gained the notice of the Sins and other royals, Stolas starts making moves on Blitzo, the latter being hesitant due to his rotten past. But he ultimately gives in and the finale features them rolling around in the sheets in Stolas's bed. Stella and Octavia find out and royal family drama ensues as a setup for Season 3
There. Was that so hard to do, Viv?
This.
Although I never understood why fricking Blitz is such a big deal. I would feel better about one of the following scenarios:
>They just frick. Stella doesn't give a frick because she also has like 10 guys. No drama or just something minor. Heck, it could be even a running gag how they keep chucking rach other, like, you know, you'd except from someone from hell
>There is drama, but it's about Stolas slowly making peace with his homosexuality at the cost of his family
This "hurrdurr you cannot frick with low lifes as a blue blood" is such bullshit and makes it impossible to relate to their struggle.
You'll take your 'status quo is god' resets and rehashes and you'll like it!
test
but I didn't study!
that is a christmas tree with a face
His voice was PERFECT. Already my second favorite sin and it wasn't even close. Can't wait to see his big ass again.
Man the over-abundance of just never-end sex focus has finally managed to bother me.
I know there's the whole 'sex sells' thing, but it definitely feels way too focused on for Mammon. So much of his MO, as well as the twin b***hes is just
>dude sex don't you want to frick them sex sex sex
They doesn't feel like they remotely try to have any other marketing beyond just sex, which makes the whole thing with the oh-so sympathetic deaf kid just weird.
Ironically I found it appealing this time, mostly due to them having some fricking confidence for once rather than this pansy ass drama with the fanservice. The twins are confident at least and have some fun with their sex appeal rather than blue balling like what the show keeps doing.
I feel like this is an intentional thing to show how much of a 1 track stick in the mud Mammon is. That in addition to Fizz's explicit dislike of him and literally every part of his body being turned into some type of sex toy. And Ozzie also explicitly says that he hates making those sex toys as well.
>And Ozzie also explicitly says that he hates making those sex toys as well.
Why couldn't all the Deadly Sins have been evil? I don't even need them to be comically evil, maybe have it be more subtle and twisted with some of them. I feel like a show about Hell should focus more on the moral complexity of sinners (Hazbin Hotel) or lowly demons (Helluva Boss) dealing with a broken system. I'm not a Christian, but making the literal incarnations of sin be le sad good guys (even if not all of them) just doesn't sit right with me.
>sad good guys
I would argue they are not good but sympathetic. A show full of buttholes does not have much potential to grow. See Helluva Boss ep 1-2
I agree, but that doesn't really change the core of my argument.
The idea that the show markets itself on sex is absurd. Try another strawman.
The point was obviously that mammon was taking every advantage of Fizz and violating his trust in the grossest way. Not too dissimilar from celebrities today selling their likeness to AI's although no sex is involved. Since this is an adult show, they can obviously take it up a notch and have the bad boss literally sell sex bots of his employee
The show keeps getting worse
What did Cinemaphile think of Klown b***h?
Too short. Literally only good thing about the episode
This. This topic has such a great potential. But it sounds like vivzie has a zoomed brain, she won’t be able to come up with something like that.
That line
>Money can't buy you happiness but it can get you paradise
was great. Wish the show would explore the sins and addictions more instead of gays and panic attacks. Or if it had remained this super fast paced Office knock off comedy series.
I didn't know A.K.I. could sing. Loved it even if it was a bit short.
The rest of the song is shit
They use the word "bitch" in the show so much it lost all its meaning by this point.
And? Hellborn make b***h part of their vocabulary. It should lose all meaning
>b***h bawd b***h bawd b***h bawd!!!
Wow very cool
How become when Matt and Trey use cuss words in their musicals they get praised, but Vivzie gets criticized for the same thing?
>Cinemaphile is one person
Bro every HH or HB get full of Vivzie hate. Its getting hivemindy
Is there anything to love about Vivzie beyond her fatass?
Her work ethic. She got scammed out of her life savings and still got her pilot made. She is the ultimate Cinemaphile dream. She's our girl
She really lost all her yuppie grandparents’ money? How the frick did she get scammed in the first place?
I don't remember. Some person promised her something and she trusted them.
Fricking moronic ass rich kid
Kids can be rich and pursue their dreams, but it’s a problem when they’re selfish and moronic too. Miyazaki might be jaded and bitter on top of being rich, but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit.
>Miyazaki might be jaded and bitter on top of being rich, but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit
It so weird to me you hold up Miyazaki as some exemplar when he worked his staff to the bone and seems to just shit on art and audiences nowadays. Has he helped anyone rise up? Viv obviously cares about art and the community. She's been producing shit since her teens. Whining about Viv's status is just dumb. Every artist is privileged to some degree. She wasn't just handed an A24 show based on her parents or whatever the frick
>Viv obviously cares about art and the community.
She got into a spat with lackadaisy and punches down at indie creators.
>punches down at indie creators.
As far as I remember, she was talking in a private discord. She wasn't publicly lambasting it. She could have stupid petty reasons for disliking it. She's not perfect or anything.
She fricked with that kid who used AI voices and turned her back on Scott Cawthon when he turned out to be a Trump supporter. Vivzie can go see what hell is truly like for all I care.
Ok, I’ll admit it. Miyazaki is technically competent, but his perfectionist attitude and old man hatred for the new is stifling artistry to this day. Modern art is a fricking joke, but he’s not helping anyone by being nasty. That said, if you work under a nightmare genius like him, he’s going to expect perfection from you.
How did his fricking show go from 'Demon assassins' to 'A clown who used to be a child slave for some gay pathetic owl, and there's these other people but they don't matter as much."
A Christian and a Asian that made moronic Mario videos made better things then she ever did.
i give up hope, lads. The ride was nice.
Miyazaki punched down many animators/creators in his industry. buttholes will be buttholes, man.
>Miyazaki punched down many animators/creators in his industry. buttholes will be buttholes, man.
My point being that someone who supposedly cares about the animation community probably shouldnt be doing that.
>but at least he has a real passion for the art and knows his shit.
I'll give it that it looks/moves nice, but it really doesn't interest me otherwise, and you can't deny the damage it's done to modern western animation as a whole (even if indirectly)
Doubtful. Viv still has the backing of her well-off family, or so it would appear.
I love her drawing the women with a fat ass and the aggressive personalities to go with them. It is like they are meant to appeal to the fans of facesitting and I hate how Viv hit that like a bullseye
>How become when Matt and Trey use cuss words in their musicals they get praised, but Vivzie gets criticized for the same thing?
Because Viv can't write songs.
Subjective
Do they always? What would Brian Boitano do? Hasa Diga Ebowai? These songs are fun. They don't need some underlying meaning. Also Stolas's song in Loo Loo Land was fricking fire. Give Viv some credit
The only good song was the one Ozzie did at the club, and Bee's theme song had a good rhythm but the lyrics were cringe and redddit
Matt and Trey have something of substance to say between cuss the words. Vivzie, like many other women “writers”, does not.
Viv desperately DESPERATELY wants to recreate Matt and Trey's style of writing but lacks the knowledge of what makes it good. There is a point to the crudeness, to emphasize a larger message.
Vivzie just assumes throwing enough sex/violence/curse words at something it will automatically make it mature, good and funny. All in all Vivzie, despite her fame, resources, and literally a popular animated tv show which not many can claim - really truly has nothing to say to her audience.
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is absolute and pure indulgence for herself. It's what if she did a broadway musical but WITH CURSE WORDS? or she got these famous VAs she likes to voice HER OCs then make them gay and say piss,shit and wiener. What if she paid tons of money to animators to make her characters gyrate on the screen to get lots of attention,fanart and praise?
She has nothing to express, just a rich kid who is commissioning her daydreams.
Trolling is against the rules, you shithead.
I've seen the dark pits of YouTube where her child viewers hang out and they can't tell the difference. They think Viv has completely nailed the South Park style.
>Viv desperately DESPERATELY wants to recreate Matt and Trey's style of writing but lacks the knowledge of what makes it good
Doubtful
>Vivzie just assumes throwing enough sex/violence/curse words at something it will automatically make it mature, good and funny
Not true. HH's song was bout Charlie expressing her heartfelt desire to change Helll's status quo. HB's first song about a dad singing a heartful lullaby to his daughter
>Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is absolute and pure indulgence for herself.
That's based. If you could get Norman Reedus to say piss, shit and frick in your show, wouldn't you?
>That's based.
Only for herself, not the audience.
> That's based. If you could get Norman Reedus to say piss, shit and frick in your show, wouldn't you?
Nah, i ain’t into wasting people’s time
He'd just be saying piss shit and frick in another show. Don't forget Picard plays a perverted, maniacal bad boss in American Dad. Actors are not special
Never said anything about actors being special lol stop trying to start an argument.
Your point was just silly. As long as you're paying them, you're not wasting time. Norman isn't above crude humor
Funny enough, I would rather Blitzo be more Kazuma if they wanted him to be likable. Kazuma is an alpha male giga chad by miles compared to Blitzo, so it would be excruciatingly difficult to pull it off.
I loved it.
Fun and shamelessly horny but Viv is allergic to doing just that at all. Ozzie and Verosika's songs were only other ones, speaking of which when will Verosika come back to do fricked up but amusing things again like molesting Millie time?
Viv hates Verosika because she's conventionally attractive and has a past with Blitzo. Viv is a fujo so would prefer endless Stolas butt drama eps
I would have rather they did something different with her past with Blitzo like mind controlled roofied him and that was why he broke up with her in that ironic way. Similar to the bounty hunter ex's from Samurai Jack. Or they were rivals in high school and he bullied her mercilessly and she is the one with the stardom and money compared to him.
I'd like for them to build on her character at all. The fact that Fizz has two episodes in a row where he's the main star while Verosika was just a crappy villain in one is insane.
I really really hope they come back and get some story although they probably could only work for this episode
>The fricking Zach scream at the end
Michael Cusack was a fun surprise.
Cupping Fizz's balls and telling him to cough during the physical, but instead you just crush his balls like grapes and listen to him screech.
>Episode written by Viv
>Best one of the season
Why are her episodes considerably better than the other ones?
Because the bar is so low that dogshit is a step up.
You seem jealous
Ok viv
And you seem wack, homie.
You seem moronic.
This show is a train wreck.
Shows don't normally make me boil in rage but holy frick this one did. They had the chance to make a badass fight between two giants but it was fricking wasted for nothing
Mammon is a washed up fat sad sack of shit of a Sin. That was the whole idea is he's all fluff, no substance and thats why he uses others now. Thats why he threw a temper tantrum and fricked off, because he knew Ozzie would wipe the floor with him
All of the sins are shit tho. Ozzie is a squishy moron and Bee thinks partying too hard is a bad thing. Lame as frick
Ozzie gives them impression all the Sins have existed since Hell's inception. Theyve all probably grown complacent. Im sure Satan is a roid raging demon equivalent of this
The embodiment of wrath being something like Krogg would be awesome, unfortunately I see Viv neutering Wrath entirely to serve her Hell Good Heaven Bad nonsense.
>hell good heaven bad nonsense
It's quite clear they're both shitty places in vivs universe
Couldve fooled me with her version of hell just being LA.
They're gonna ruin my boy Baal just like they did my son Beelzebub
I think they made Baal and Beelzebub one and the same due to her having Baal's rune as her symbol. Sad because he has one of the best designs.
Why do they keep ruining all the sins though?
They turned Asmodeous into this homosexual sugar daddy (he was a good character in season 1 which just adds salt into the wound), Beezlebub into a rainbow vomit furry, AND MAMMON INTO A FRICKING AUSTRALIAN
See
The Sins stopped giving a shit after centuries of ruling. To quote Alastor 'Why does anyone do anything in Hell? Sheer boredom". Even Lucifer has stopped giving a rats ass
Australians are basically if clowns were a nationality anyway
>the demon lord of greed is just a toxic brand promoter
Sigh
>toxic brand promoter
where have I heard that character trait before...
This show is weirdly Steven Universe and in fact the Crystal Gems are what I thought angels and Heavenly are what would have been in the setting.
The Greed Ring has laws set in place where if you rob a bank(again who enforce the laws in this universe anyways) you go to jail. Yet Fizz can casually quit his job with no repercussions, not even a mention of him breaking his contract or some bullshit. Both an inch deep and inch wide level world building here.
Mind breaking Fizz through abuse, throwing boiling water onto Fizz, Holding lighters and lit torches near Fizz’s face, Tying Fizz to a conveyor belt moving towards a furnace, giving Fizz the Joshua Graham treatment [again], Ripping Fizz out of his clown-outfit life-support suit and parading him around for all of hell to see like when Griffith is all fricked up in berserk, Sawing off the remainder of Fizz’s horns, Tying Fizz to a chair and giving him the annoying fan ‘you suck, everyone fricking hates you!’ Treatment for hours on end, Locking fizz in a cell with a bunch of fire-crackers and fireworks going off till he’s screaming to be let out, grabbing Fizz’s phone or wallet and getting a photo of him and Asmodeus and burning/breaking it. Killing Fizz, Beheading Fizz, Kicking fizz down a flight of stares, TOTAL FIZZ MINDBREAK FOLLOWED BY DEATH.
Frick Vivzie and this stupid show. I've been waiting for it to fail, and it looks like it is finally going to die.
pwned
Helluva Boss is good, and only getting better!
This, but unironically.
I kek'd
bump
Said no one ever.
Do Zoomers and Gen-Alpha ACTUALLY like Soap operas?…Are Gen-Z+A actually closer to [real] boomers then they are Millenials or Gen-X?
Half of this episode felt like it should have had an audience gasp track and Spanish guitar cues.
Turns out people like pathos instead of meaninglessness. Go figure.
I bet you hate Shakespeare too
They slurp up anything with enough flashing lights and pretty colors. It's outstanding Viv managed to garner a croud through pure overstimulation of the senses, so much so they lose higher brain functions.
In b4 every episode has a split screen with Sewer Surfers and Family Guy clips.
>They slurp up anything with enough flashing lights and pretty colors.
>posts a Spongebob image
I mean it is colorful and drawn in an interesting style so that was nice at least. I get annoyed with the downplaying of the gothic punk qualities and emphasis of moronic drama, but if it kept being style over substance in that the focus on monster of the week assassination in that art style then I would be more amicable.
He posted classic spongebob so he’s actually not a hypocrite.
>just a rich kid who is commissioning her daydreams
Most famous animators are, even eastern ones like Miyazaki.
Literally though. I can only imagine he fricks like a complete animal. That Australian accent is weirdly hot as well.
If he's a spider demon can he do the oviposition thing that hentai driders can do haha
WHAT IN THE FRICK IS OVIPOSITION??!! Also why is their spider hentai?
I did enjoy this c**t, i hope he never appears again so he isn’t ruined.
>last episodes make a big deal about Fizz being burnt up
>this episode the Fish sisters casually set themselves on fire without issue
So are fish people immune to fire or some shit. Why are only some of the demons fire-moronant?
Fizz was burned by green looking fire.
They had blue fire.
Blitzo was burned but he can sit in Earth fire fine. Clearly there are different kinds of fire
Thats moronic and something a 12 year old would come up with.
Which means its probably canon.
Warcraft logic, there’s actual fire, then like ‘demon magic’ which is just black fire and then there’s ‘fel’ which is also demon magic but different or smth, which is green.
>Thinking different kinds of fire is childish on the /co board
Ya know Ghost rider has different kinds of fire too
Yes and comics are for manchildren.
What a stupid defense.
I'm right, however.
No, you aren't.
>No argument
I accept your concession.
So if I threw Blitzo/any imp into the sun, would he burn up because it is white plasma that is way hotter than any fire on earth or hell?
I don't know.
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: Fire and plasma are not the same thing. What we observe as fire a process of a chemical reaction, while plasma is a different state of matter altogether. Assuming the annoying imp doesn't die from the extreme gravity and exposure to the vacuum of space, yes he would burn up.
Viz doesn’t explain plots we all have asked or at least a few, but answers weird fans who incorrectly get the smallest things a bit tangled.
People defend Vivzie like a cult. Maybe she is helped and defended by literal and figuarative demons.
No Australian actually talks or looks like this.
You don’t know that
Vivzies problem is that she thinks she is being edgy by indulging in random tornadoes of SHIT AND FRICK AND c**t!!! Every 6 seconds when I reality it just reveals she can't actually do a good show. When south park does it they tend to have a reason. Kyle doesn't just go off on a tirade about gay sex and wieners and c**ts as part of normal conversation.
What did you expect from someone who's favourite movie is Sausage Party of all things?
>that hellhound face fricking a fizz doll in the front row
I can't stop thinking about it
>Fizzy, we got to go to Bendigo to get me green cube.
I think all I wanted was vampire Bloodlines crossed with Psychonauts, just a colorful gothic punk setting with great animation and impactful writing.
just started watching it.
alright, frick you vivzie, you got me
So are Glam and Glitz the new Verosika Mayday? They seem to replace her.
They are the Verosika for Fizz, hopefully not replacing since the aggressive women with a fat ass are not given enough screen time
TTG Robin?
Wtf was his problem?
Too Parasocial
It’s an incel. Wait till the normies hear about chud
Something tells me this fanbase will compare everyone with criticism to this character and act like they won the argument by just doing this.
Who cares what redditors have to say? Their wives have boyfriends.
Why does he look like he’s voiced by psychicpebbles?
Something tells me this is how Viv views people who criticize her works and wants her fanbase to do so as well.
But aren't there female viewers who also criticize her work? Isn't she sexist to assume they are all male?
Obviously. WHO VOICES CHUD IMP? I’m not suffering an entire episode to find out.
Yeah, its basically Viv drawing her critics as the sọyjak.
- He's Angry that the show isn't about funny hell demon assassins killing people on earth (the kill of the week schlock / formula)
- They're Angry that side characters aren't getting the attention he gives them in his fanfics and headcanons
- In that line they're' angry that his Birdfu turned out to be a massive c**t and that the Gay Owl turned out to be the victim instead of their headcanon that said they were the "buttholes" that caused the problem
- They're angry that the main character of the show actually gets character development and will go out of their way to call the show shit because It's not "the premise" they were promissed
- They like to participate in threads about things they supposedly don't like and that makes them angry
>- They're angry that the main character of the show actually gets character development and will go out of their way to call the show shit because It's not "the premise" they were promissed
You mean the premise the show was shopped around as?
>posts early development content
>no sauce
Low hanging fruit
Anon, I...
>...am a fricking moron
why yes we can see that
>seething
Anon if your response to pitch docs is to cry "ITS FAKE ITS FAKE" then you're huffing copium.
>Bitch
wow, I cant believe he said that, guys. He is so edgy.
Insecurity and lack of skill. Because he had 10 years to show Fizz up and at best failed every time. He's also going to be what most people use as the basedjack in the fandom when you want to strawman just like Viv intended.
Written to represent vivs "haters" and critics.
I want to know his voice actor
>very popular show full of gay relationship drama and shipping
>but I dont find any of the main characters attractive
Fricks sake.
>Fizz is painted as an abuse victim even though he KNEW how shitty Mammon was and joined him anyway.
>Has a complex about not being good enough because of one fricking guy despite the hundreds that come out to see him.
>Acts like a prude pussy who gets all nervous when anyone shows any sexual interest in him despite being a attention whoring bawd who dresses in drag to mafia members one episode prior.
>Apparently hates the idea of being lusted after despite dating the literal embodiment of the concept.
People will suggest this is development. But it doesn't feel like it.
At the risk of sounding like a nitpicking fool, It feels like excuses of why a character isn't acting anything like the original design. Like they had a shitty character in mind but had to make up shit to make them sympathetic. And I feel like this keeps happening.
Like:
>Fizzarolli is a vulgar clown that hates Blitzo for betraying him.
"Nuh uh. Those robots were made in his image by Mammon and not like him at all. Also Blitzo was just a huge misunderstanding."
>Stolas is a powerful super demon and proud pervert in charge of deaths to bring more demons to hell.
"Nuh uh. He's a great father who just wants to be whisked away from his royal duties and (rightfully) scornful wife.."
>Well. At least Blitzo is the ideal demon. A fowlmouthed assassin and a huge sociopath who sabotages all of his relationships because of his selfishness. Ultimately shaped by the anarchy ridden plane he was born into.
"He's only like that because his mother died and he's afraid of commitment which is why he has a perverse sense of companionship. Also other demons are pretty tame in comparison."
What really got me after some thought was just how "nice" Fizz was this episode.
>Extremely kind and tender to deaf kid
>Acts like a complete fricking beta stuttering and dropping his spaghetti when talking to the clown twins, unironically trying to go with the "m-may the best clown win!" sporting crap.
And many instances of this on-screen murderer turning into a defenseless heap because of a scraggly nerd stalker.
Obviously the former is a pet-the-dog moment and the latter is meant to make Fizz the good guy, the wntire script of the episode tries as hard as possible to make you sympathize with Fizz and Ozzy. The problem is it doesn't make a lick of sense because these same characters are seem to be openly malicious and sadistic towards other people who show weakness. They're cruel jackasses when the point is depicting them as edgy badasses, but when it comes the time for them to be the victim, they turn into poor babies to weep for.
It's crazy to think, but Robo Fizz ended up being 10 times more entertaining than the actual Fizz. I miss that lil' rascal, sad to see him turned into a background mass produced sex doll.
>fizz
>on screen murderer
Wut
Tbh I've already forgotten the last episode. Did fizz actually kill any of the gangsters?
Wait who the frick did Lyle Rath play?!
>Lyle Rath is now involved in this frickfest too
A paycheck’s a paycheck, but for frick’s sake I want those paychecks to give out too! Vivzie’s way to spoiled as a creator
Zach's in there too, didn't you hear his Iconic scream?
I KNOW ZACH’S THERE! It’s not fair, man. I want star power for my projects too.
Who voiced Chud imp?
When do we get an episode with all the Oney crew in one sitting
I'd pay money to see Zach and Chris rattle off insane hypotheticals to Blitzo or Corey just be Corey around anyone
I've been wondering. Do you think they're our first Envy ring representatives?
No, they're Eels. Fish demons (mob sharks etc.) = Greed ring.
Fish demons would fit more to be from Envy since Leviathan is there. I personally would prefer Greed to be mishmash of all the different races of Hell and it's only native denizens being made by Mammon who wants everything to be his. Even people of his ring. Everything coming from his very being and because of the low native population this being one of the most popular places for other kinds of Demons to go to live. All playing into Mammon's greed and wanting everything to be his.
Ehh i don't like the idea of the Sins spawning hellborn. I think Sins can be replaced so i don't likke the idea of them being mini-Gods of their own domains. Just the biggest fish in the pond
If what Ozzy says is right, I think the seven deadly sins were angels cast down from heaven to hell together with Lucifer
>which gives them the Paradise Lost backstory
>and explains why they look so monstrous
and Ozzy knew him since the beginning of hell
I wonder what they looked like when they were still angels
Viv has confirmed that the demon lords were already in hell when lucifer showed up. Or at least most. They aren't all fallen angels.
I prefer them being suito gods of their realms. Or in a way a reason why they exist. I write my own version of HH/HB verse where each ring was created by their Sin due to their overwhelming power and personalities with most of them being Hellborn. Asmodeus and Lucifer being those who fell from heaven and influenced the certain pieces of Hell with their own vices with Asmodeus despite being very powerful because of this strain severely weakening himself due to this. That way each Sin feels like an actual sin. Embodiment of their respective vice that then created entire ring around them.
Also Leviathan being at first mortal who due to loss of his partner fell into envy of every other being after he fled to Hell. This grief and envy giving way to Envy Ring.
If anyone is from envy it’s blitzo and fizz. they’re both petty b***hes
It's cute you guys still think any hellborn species is affiliated with any particular ring when we've already had several episodes where it's obvious that rings don't matter and any hellborn can come from any point of origin as long as Vivzie wishes it.
>Do you think they're our first Envy ring representatives?
I get that this is a fun concept of Viv to try and do, if it wasn't HELL. Why does everything have to make sense and have consistent rules to follow?
It's kinda like with Star Trek where all the aliens you encounter are humanoid with front facing eyes. Yet that's forgivable because of 1) limitations of meta technologies because making monsters was a difficult task and 2) Aliens that have human intelligence might naturally all have to have evolved the way we have. That humanoid bodies are not really a default but one of many templates and there are other "Earths" that could occur and create life similar to ours. Trek even has plenty of "smart space gas" that can generate hallucinations.
Viv insists that all Fish demons HAVE to be Greed, or Dogs are in Gluttony. Hell is what your mind finds insufferable, and often nightmares are our brains trying to comprehend the images that flash in there while we sleep. I get the feeling that Viv doesn't have dreams if this is how uncreative her hellscape is.
You have the opportunity to create things that the world hasn't seen before, and you just make "Disney musical but they're 'demons'."
this sucks, man.
i thought fizz was gonna be a cynical badass, not this crybaby b***hboy who has a mental breakdown over 1 (one) imp-chud
the fizz I had in mind woulda kicked his ass
fricking agreed
> you thought
there's your problem
Agreed, I don't mind that they want to show a more emotional side to his character to humanise him, but with them doing it twice back-to-back in the last couple episodes it feels like that's now just his default and not an exception. They set the bar pretty high with Robo Fizz for what he could have been.
>Confident, charismatic presence
>Takes zero shit
>Actually threatening cause of his prosthetics and acrobatic skill
At least we get to see that confident/commanding side of him during the season 1 episode at Ozzie's (and a bit at the end of the latest episode once he gets over his shit), so i'm hoping they haven't just completely forgotten about that part of him.
>so i'm hoping they haven't just completely forgotten about that part of him.
forget it. it's over. they already blew their load with what was gonna be the most interesting story with his character and it was a total disappointment.
there's no hope for this character anymore, and gone with it is my hope of ever enjoying anything about this show ever again. fizzarozzie was pretty much the last bastion of hope I had for this series not fricking something up, but it was silly to expect anything else
I remember some edgy art of fizz naked and ripping apart and torturing a robo-fizz out of a projected self-hate, sucks that this show will never do anything that genuinely edgy or layered.
this show is made for fricking babies, about fricking babies, by fricking babies, complete with the obligatory FCC-mandated "a very special episode" or "sonic sez" segment crammed in there for twitter brownie points
I don't really think Fizz has that persona. With how deep Mammon's claws were shoved up Fizz's ass it's completely possible that he was always a wimp and that Robofizz was just another version Mammon ordered up and abandoned long ago. The flashback supports this too. But fortunately it seems Ozzie isn't nearly as wimpy. And Viv is obviously using Fizz and Ozzie to portray the ideal relationship that Stolas and Blitzo could have if they weren't so fricked up. No way Ozzie doesn't give Fizz a bazooka arm or something after what happened this episode.
He doesn't have that persona because viv decided she wanted him to be a twinky uwu soft boy instead. There's no other thought put into this writing other than what gets viv off.
I mean in Episode 7 his persona seems to align in some ways with the robot one. Definitely not as aggressively antagonistic, but he's got stage presence, wit, confidence, and seems to revel in the fame he has going on as a celebrity icon/sellout.
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Oh definitely. But given the context that Fizz went through getting kidnapped, semi-reconciling with Blitzo, and the insane stress of great competition along with Mammon squeezing so tight he could barely breathe. In short, it wouldn't make much sense this episode. As long as he has Ozzie though he'll get his groove back unless Viv really hates you.
Why the hell is Robot Fizz so threatening anything when it's marketed mainly as a sexbot.
Helluva Boss is very homophobic, gay characters are all uwu crybabies who cant get anything done without the help of their sugar daddies
I want to frick both of the eel sisters.
The only thing i like now of HB is the female characters designs.
>Only 5 million
kek
A win for adequate writing
Legit hope HB is just an AU with different characters instead of same universe as hazbin
Honestly views don't really mean much of anything about quality, there will always be kids and idiots who will watch and enjoy anything.
i wonder what viv is going to do for the other sins
We seem to be 100% on fricking imps or at least obsessing over them.
all the tension died when they showed the furry insect dating vortex
The dancing gold celebrity thing? Was that a sin?
>Was that a sin
The fact you have to ask speaks to how bad the design is.
Beelzebub herself, Demon Lord of Gluttony
I just thought that was a popular girl dog.
If she's dating a hellhound than I have no idea why any of them give a shit about fricking imps.
Blitz got loona from the pound so I don't think imps are below them in pecking order.
>If she's dating a hellhound than I have no idea why any of them give a shit about fricking imps
My assumption is that since Ozzie is the Demon Lord of Lust, him being in an actual romantic relationship would be seen as hypocritical and weak.
But again, the hierarchy has never made sense to begin with so idk. Viv cares very little about lore.
Bee is shagging a Hellhound, who are bottom of the barrel, and nobody batted an eye.
This is the real Beel for me, and she (picrel name file)
Now speaking seriously, the fan designs are just so much better, a bunch of literal snowflakes were attacking artists that redesigned her, it was pathetic
>I'd hit
Ok but she gets to keep the annoying jersey shore frickboy accent because that actually gets me
Hellhounds are literally below imps in the pecking order. They literally don't know how to keep consistency. They called Striker who's opposed to relationships between the poor and rich a supremacists.
>They called Striker who's opposed to relationships between the poor and rich a supremacists.
I'm still baffled by that. What did they mean by Supremacist? A supremacist for what? Imp Supremacy? Striker mostly just seems to really hate the nobles. He's a halfbreed anyways so being racist doesn't really make sense.
Knowing her, she’s going to waste money getting a celebrity she used to love in exchange for her character’s personality.
If she somehow gets Tony Hawk onto this shitfest…
>0mgny8
They got Zach just to do random screams in the crowd shots?
Only just watched the episode. I gather it won't be controversial to say Mammon is the best Deadly Sin so far, and by a good stretch?
Like holy frick, finally someone that actually fully and unrepentantly encompasses the fricking SIN he represents. No Asmodeus dropping his initial good impression to become a sappy romanticist, no Beelzebub hitting the brakes and pushing for temperance of all things when she sees someone going off the deep end, no Lucifer "Mr. Morning Star himself" apparently letting a lowly sinner give him lip.
Maybe my perspective is skewed and thus my expectations lowered, but I wholeheartedly enjoyed that funny fat frick, Maybe there's hope for Satan/Belph/Levi yet.
I think Satan and Leviathan will be buttholes like Mammon, I think Belphegor will be easy going like Ozzie and Bee.
That way we got three butthole demon lords and three moderate ones.
And then Lucifer who will never been in Helluva Boss because Amazon.
I remember Viv saying Satan and Leviathan will be a more "traditional" approach to demons in both design and personality, so you're probably right.
You people will clap for anything.
I did say my expectations were lowered, so... yeah?
>I did say my expectations were lowered
Past bedrock apparently.
>Hope for Belph
Belph is supposed to be 24/7 on the toilet. But according Bee he's a she. So I bet to keep everything on the up and up she's not going to be the Belphegor we want or need.
When have we seen Lucifer?
Not him, but in a leaked Animatic that's like two seconds long Alastor grabs Lu's cane and shakes it to introduce himself, the clip ends prematurely so we don't know what happens next, but we all know in our hearts we won't see Alastor finally getting his shit kicked in because he thought he could act like he's above fricking Lucifer of all people.
It would have been more funny like the JoJo crossover fanfic where Diavolo has King Crimson impale Alastor through the chest. He could still wince at the pain and have a strained smile but chuckling and coughing up blood at Lucifer. The emphasis of strong nerves but still learning how threatening Lucifer really is would have been funny, or if Alastor is a warlock of Lucifer of some kind which would explain the familiarity.
Alastor already King Crimson'ed Vaggie out of the Hazbin teaser. She just disappears into nothingness.
Great, now I'm going to think about that every time I see it. Thanks for the chuckle anon.
Hazbin leak where Alastor walks up to Lucifer and just shamelessly grabbs his cane to say wassup.
Unknown yet how big L reacts to that, but come on, look at me in the eye and tell me Viv will let her precious, wanked-as-hell childhood OC actually get his teeth kicked in for his cheek.
MY DAUGHTER YOU HAVE FAILED ME
THE DOG WIFE MEME WAS NOT WORTH YOUR BUBBLEGUM SONG
>Queen Bee wasn't fat. Ruler of GLUTTONY
Oh come on!
Did the rock cover of "Carmen" that would play when Mammon was on screen ever get isolated/uploaded separately? That shit was fire
What's she listening to?
It WOULD be the rock cover of Carmen if they would upload their damn background music
I'll take it, thanks
>nooo why they are not fighting
shonenkeks in shambles
>professes homosexual love instead
U really showed em
Sad gay drama > action as far as Viv is concerned.
the spitting image of "lust" and "greed" right here...
Ya think it's gonna be a diaper fur?
Worse a its an OC self insert party girl diaper fur who's actually a closeted artist forced to be sinful and just wants to paint because she's always inspired but she's a demon and demons must sin.
So tragic
That was stupid. Power needs to be demonstrated to make an impact. In Dragon Ball as an example, if someone powers up to be big and scary, they'll actually demonstrate they aren't just showboating by having them blow up a fricking mountain, or punch a hole straight through someone's chest. In Berserk, Guts showed off the awesome power of the Berserker armor by cracking Grunbled's enormous cannon shield right down the middle.
Every demon power-up we've seen in Helluvaboss has been no more meaningful than those caterpillars that inflate themselves to look like a snake. For all we know the demons are incredibly weak and a normie human can overtake them. It's why kings used to attend public executions, you don't frick with the guy that can have you killed by saying some words.
>For all we know the demons are incredibly weak and a normie human can overtake them
Considering all the Alastor wank in hazbin this may aswell be canon
Alastorgays will eat it up, he'll be a character who can do whatever the frick he wants to absolutely anybody without consquences, and he'll also have 'Le sad traumatic backstory!'
Can’t wait for this whole arch to be copied and pasted on Angel Dust. Mmmm bot love seeing the same 3 personalities and the same 2 conflicts repeated over and over
wait you are right , this is the entire angel dust arc on a bigger scale
lol lmao even
Why is angel dust looking so smug? His ass still belongs to that pimp b***h.
I can't wait for Season 1 to just be Angel Dust's arc and we forget about Charlie redeeming other sinners.
GET IN THE CAR FIZZY
GET IN THE FRICKING CAR
The contest had nothing to do with clowns past the first 30 seconds
>the episode has nothing to do with clowns
>industry clowns
lol lmao even
I've seen this mentioned in one of the first threads about this episode, but this would have been a lot better if Fizz didn't go through a "Never meet your heroes" arc and instead Fizz knew since he was a kid that Mammon is a total shitbag, but being under him gives him more fortune and fame than he could ever really hope to dream of otherwise, he's too greedy and prideful to quit.
It would give Fizz an actual character flaw that he could overcome in this episode instead of "Look at this poor innocent Imp!"
No anon he needs to be a helpless victim because he’s Vivz’ current pet character
Pretty much. I would personally do it like this. Fizz at first wants to be close to Mammon due to his own Greed and then getting his taste of it and feeling shitty because of it, that would make sense. He wants all of the attention, he wants that money, he wants all of it, but like Mammon he is never satisfied, but unlike Mammon he cannot cope with it because Mammon unlike him is embodiment of Greed and so he feels empty and self destroys himself to fill the hole he himself created and because of that becomes rotten at his core even more and has to get away from this.
isn't the point Mammon met Fizz at his lowest after the burning circus fiasco
How many more episodes involve this pussy ass little clown homie, cause i’m already tired of seeing him.
I just bothered to watch this show and binge it starting 2 days ago. I love the voice acting, music score, colors, Blitz, Blitz's quips, and a few other characters. I fully understand why people obsess over this show, but since I'm not incredibly gay, I have to wonder why I'm watching an entire episode where I watch a posh cartoon owl getting off. Why does this show hyper hyper HYPER sexualize gay characters but the only real sexuality presented from female characters is catty and holier-than-thou? Oh nobody gives a shit they just wanna goon to the rule34 of the show, that's what all of this is about
>Rule 34 wank material
Bingo! Also i swtg this show has more merch than invader zim in a 2004 hottopic.
>Why does it glorify gays
The director is a Massive fujo
I didn't watch this. Is it OK? Or is it just more of the same junk as the rest of Season 2?
I never cared about Fizzarolli, and I already think Ozzie is a ridiculous hypocrite. Did she double down on the "Lust cares about consent" nonsense?
It's gay melodrama, a fanfic tier high school talent competition, realistic panic attack, mid songs, a stand in character to represent vivs "haters," and another villain to add to the pile that will never do anything of substance.
As a hater, ill say it was tolerable up until Fizz starts bawling his eyes out like a b***h then proceeds to have his girlboss moment with some obnoxious pop music
I'll say I'm developing physical revulsion for any Vivziepop character that isn't Charlie, Alastor, or Verosika.
I never liked the main cast of Helluva. Verosika brought me in.
I love verosika’s design i hate that her being a pop star/celebrity and a c**t is no longer unique to her character. Let’s hope she doesn’t get butchered in her next appearance ( if that happens)
I love Verosika too, she needs a (hu)man to treat her right
Imagine her just being summoned away out of nowhere. Just to see her back later dating some human warlock that geniunly waifued his first summon.
Such is the fate of fans of any women in this shitshow
>wanting to frick anthro females
>bad
You don't think ahead, don't you?
This board doesn't like hmofa enjoyers anon, it's why I decided to depict us a bad choice too
I prefer Stella/Moxxie ship
>"I'm not a furry, but"
Still hilarious.
hmofa isnt furry
Um yeah it is sweety.
>if you like hot anthro girls as any red bloodied straight human male does, youre part of our fursuit wearing, diaper shitting, vore loving cult!
No, just, no.
Thats a diferent thing, comparing apples to oranges there
>vore and diapers out of nowhere
Got something to tell us?
>j-just cause i have a furry fetish doesnt mean i have a furry fetish!
>you want me to jerk off to vore and diapers!
Anon what the frick are you talking about?
the point is hmofa enjoyers are pure and do not deserve to be simply lumped with the furshit fandom, we're better
You're worse for bringing in raceplay elements.
Raceplay is better than furhomosexualry. One doesn't involve dog fricking
But you both want to the frick the dog. You just say "human male" like gays say "no homo", except you're not being ironic.
Being driven by the desire to frick an exotic woman as opposed to any woman who looks like a dog is pretty objectively better
If that were the case your fetish wouldn't be centered around fricking animal women.
>liking to see humans putting furbois into their place and taking their women with our superior BHC is worse than the other degenerate shit furgays are into
The only one with such a shit opinion would be a triggered furgay who sees himself as getting cucked by hmofa enjoyers.
I thought i was in /flg/ for a moment...
You're furries that get mad when you get called furries. You can claim you're different or that 'furry' means something it doesn't but I don't entertain furgay autism, simple as.
'furry' specifically is known to mean the mentally ill fursuit wearing, furcon attending degenerates with fursonas, hmofa chads just want to bang their women as HUMANS and therefore are not FURRIES
How hard is this for your pea brain to get?
You're still a furry. Calling yourself a chad doesn't make it true.
Furry means having a fetish for fricking animal women. HMOFA decided they didn't like being called what they are, so they pretend the definition is different. You know who else does that?
Trannies.
furry specifically means someone with a fursona
hmofa enjoyers do not have fursonas and self insert into a human male in drawings instead
ergo hmofa enjoyers are not furries
case fricking closed furBlack person
No it doesn't anon. Most do, but being attracted to animal characters would definitely classify you as a furry.
>furry specifically means someone with a fursona
There you go trying to say the definition is different, like a troony does.
>case fricking closed furBlack person
I'm not a furry, moron. I'm outside your furgay fandom and I'm laughing at you.
Quite frankly its funny you think anyone making fun of you is a conspiracy to drag you to the big bad diaper cult, says a lot about your mental state.
You don't need to have a fursuit or fursona to be a furry. I say this as a furry.
An attraction to furry people counts.
My man, just say you want to frick the goth wolf. Playing mental gymnastics to try and justify your position or separate yourself from furries is making it worse.
Anon that's literaly what we say everytime, it's the likes of you that needs to lumps us with the disguting part of the furry community
No, you always follow it up with "as a human man cause I'm a chad I dont like vore or diapers I'm a redblooded male".
Fizz may be the focus of the episode but you guys have been the clowns since day 1.
You're the one lumping yourself with the disgusting part by saying that being a furry means being into diapers or whatever. Being a furry is being a fan of anthropomorphic animals, nothing more.
This
Hmofa = James Kirkian endeavor to go where no man has gone before; widen ones horizons and sow seeds as far as the universe will allow
Furry = mental derangement that being human isn't good enough, that life can only be fulfilled by imagining oneself as an animal with human features
Sounds more like you both wanna frick dogs, hmofa just jerk themselves off about it. You're both the same to me.
Nah, hmofa is directly adjacent to, or in many cases, combined with xenophilia.
Being furry is like...body dysmorphia or something.
Fetish for animal women = furry
Hmogays love playing revisionist for some reason.
So basically furries are a lot like cyborgs in deus ex human revolution?
No. Cyborgs and transhumanism are a belief that the human form can be improved or surpassed.
Furries just want to be an entirely goddamn different species for some reason.
Furries just want to frick the furry girl, the fursona shit is deeper down the pipeline.
Different species don't have to pay taxes
I've never been molested by a rabbit lady or a dog girl
And traps arent gay, right?
YOU
ARE
A
FURgay
I think his design is cute, I'm always a sucker for simple and cartoony faces.
>Are you a clown b***h?
These girls are just basic bawds with some polkadots on them..
For someone who supposedly loves the circus aesthetic, viv doesn't really use it for anyone but male characters.
They look more like clowns in the concept stages. Maybe because the other artists on the crew actually try.
They were also notably thicker.
Wtf we were robbed of thicc sexy snoot chicks
>pencil necked poodles
>better than glamcore high school-b***h clique eels
>just because the poodles are thicker and/or more clown like
Nah senpai
You and viv have the same problem, you think with your genitals.
Go look at porn and come back with a clear head.
>the anon that DOESN'T want the thiccer poodles is thinking with his dick
Uhhhh what
There are multiple kinda of circus performers, anon. Fizz fits into the classical jester archetype. The Eel sisters are more cirque de soleil.
More like cirque de souless
The sisters are generic pop star b***hes, they're 5% clown at best.
>thicker and more clown like vs generic vivziepop girl character with the same tired mlp hair cut #526
Bro…
it changed so it fits the KPOP aura , you know another tools to make other people rich
Poodles can be asian, anon.
The frick does kpop have to do with clowns?
Cool head canon, I wouldn’t claim it as fact tho
Random background imps are now miles more attractive than characters meant to be sexy. This would seem a poor choice.
We haven't had a conventionally attractive demon character since Verosika and her band of succugroupies.
Why is Viv scared of pretty women?
Beelzebub was prime furrybait, I don't know what you're talking about.
I would frick Bee as a non furry but I would feel very shameful about it afterwards so that probably doesn't count.
That’s a furry, i need a woman with a human-ish face not some gross ass dog mouth
Or just attractive characters with a sense of confidence. A shame no nicely plush chicks are shown except for shortstack black succubus of Verosika's posse, I have no issue of body types but I want women to be allowed more time to be erotic.
aren't clowns
Why does Viv think I'm invested in Fizzarolli's personal drama? Why should i care?
Why is so much of hell's autism driven by extreme cases of homosexuality?
Viv realized that for S1 Fizz and Ozzie she made two gays the bad guys, we can't have that so now they're good.
I expect Vox's and Valentino's relationship to get scrapped because of this too.
>Everybody clearly sees gay couple being ultra gay.
>They were afraid of being outed as together for some reason
????????????????????????????
He's the demon lord of lust. Sex is fine I guess but emotional connections aren't?
That doesn't really explain why he was all over Stolas for screwing Blitz tho
I thought the forbidden part was being with an imp not that he had a romantic (not purely sexual) thing going.
Also, if the demon lord of lust is not wholly lustful. Doesnt that invalidate him from being lust incarnate?
If it was a race/class thing than Bee shouldn't be publicly fricking Tex, who is a Hellhound, who are even lower ranked than Imps.
It has to be a street rep thing imo
If all the demon lords turn out to be softies at heart who actually preach tolerance and moderation this setting might well be the worst hell ever concieved.
Already forgot about Mammon and Paimon? Are you just inventing things to preemptively get angry at?
Mammon is a cringe rock star agent and Paimon is dead and irrelevant
Paimon is not one of the demon lords. And I guess its ok to make Mammon an butthole cos greed cannot get a progressive spin.
>greed cannot get a progressive spin.
He could have been an e girl who sold bath water
Paimon is a head of the Goetia family. While he's definitely not a sin I doubt he isn't on the level of Demon Lord. I feel like if Mammon was a progressive people would just b***h about him being Engels in disguise or some bullshit like that.
>While he's definitely not a sin I doubt he isn't on the level of Demon Lord.
I thought it was established canon that the ars goetia are below the sins.
Well nobody ever fights in this show but yes they technically are
After Viv de-canonized the Voxtragram posts I would take lore stuff like that with a grain of salt. But let's say that Paimon is objectively less powerful than a sin, I really doubt that will stop him from making Stolas's life well..........hell. I really can't see anyone else being the final boss of this series right now.
The Deadly Sins seem to come off more like spoiled Nepo Babies. They aren't really all that respected, and they only seem powerful in that they get big when they're angry but even then they don't do shit when they do get big so what's the point.
>Viv thinks being a spoiled nepo baby = being actually socially powerful and respected
huh, I think you're onto something anon
Some are. Some aren't. It seems that the sins could be titles than could be claimed or handed down. That could explain the stark difference between someone like Beelz, her sis, and Ozzie for example. The point is that they're all popular as FRICK. For different reasons. That's what makes them sins before anything else.
this episode pretty much disproved the sin title idea entirely. Asmodeus has been the sin of lust since the dawn of hell itself, as has Mammon for greed
Those two frick straight white human men.
Oz mentions knowing Mammon since Hell's inception.
You know one thing I feel like is a big missed opportunity in this show, is keeping Sinners out of hell. It never quite made sense to me why the Overlords would settle for fighting for scraps and tiny districts in the Pride ring, when it would make much more sense if there was fighting over trying to overthrow the Deadly Sins and try and take over their districts for their own.
People keep bringing up how well Valentino embodies the sin of Lust better than Ozzie does, and having a sinner challenge Ozzie's rule would probably make for a better B plot than recycling the same sappy love drama over again.
>keeping Sinners out of Hell
The other rings of Hell I mean.
>keeping sinners out of hell
Wasn't there some lore reason for that? I think it's to ensure they are easier for the angels to locate and eradicate. Otherwise they'd probably just go yolo and start targeting the other rings to reach their kill quota. This way its all on one place and only former humans get eradicated.
I could've sworn it's just because Lucifer wants to keep them there all for himself more than anything.
>People keep bringing up how well Valentino embodies the sin of Lust better than Ozzie does
Or you know, Vivziepop could just write Ozzie to actually be the sin of Lust rather than wholesome concerned gay sugar daddy.
The sins have been in hell longer than Lucifer has, if you believe that one statement Viv's staff made. He didn't show up till later.
I don't think they are fallen angels, at least not all of them. Mammon and Ozzie certainly don't seem to be, apparently.
I think this is more like pathfinder/dnd hell where the abyss already existed and the devil came down later to take the crown after a failed Rebellion.
It seems most of modern pop culture has ripped from D&D but didn't take any of the fun bits nor the context for why those tropes existed to begin with, maybe let the characters have more balls on themselves except when it would come across as moronic.
>overthrowing the sins
The sins are presented as primordial forces who have been around since Hell's creation. They probably cannot be overthrown, and any lapses in their projection of power is probably due to complacency or laziness.
Yeah. What the frick is the point if no one likes them. No one fears them. They aren’t actually that powerful. And don’t feel a representation or incarnation of their sin. They don’t even have an implied nepotistic or monarchistic reason for being there. They’re just a fricking waste of time and another shitty written character to sale merch and sexualize. Literal Family Guy/zombie Simpsons tier writing and composing.
>What the frick is the point if no one likes them.
I mean all 3 of the demon lords we've seen so far have had huge followings.
I think the problem is that they are treated more like Hollywood celebrities than actual kings/queens/rulers. It comes off as very vapid and weird, like Brad Pitt and Johhny Depp having a staredown at the Oscars while their plebs look on.
Doesnt Vivzie live in soCal? Kinda checks out. It seems like she is incapable of writing a setting that doesnt resemble the vapid party culture if california
I would have hoped at least for the snark of the vapid culture like the nobles at awards making snide remarks and coughing names under their breath more. Hell (pun sort of intended), at least allow for more shameless debauchery and depravity like with Spring Broken but just don't attach 15 minutes of melodrama to 15 seconds of fun depravity.
because kids who were gay in suburban neighborhoods (tumblr) will relate to not wanting to get found out. also keeping your parents from finding out your making out with your best friend while he comes over to "hang out" is exciting and heartwarming to them.
>neither are married
>live together and are constantly around each other
>one is the embodiment of sex
>the other is a twink clown
Not hard to put the pieces together frankly
Holy frick, I wanna BE Angel Dust.
From the first moment I saw him, all the way back in the gooseworx music video, he stuck in my head like an earworm and never left. I went through puberty with characters like him and mettaton at the back of my mind making my nips tingle and question my sexuality.
I remember doodling him in notebooks and planning cosplays even as far back as the pilot, I just identified with him in a strange way like he was my aesthetic ideal, a skinny, silly snarky guy with a penchant for fabulous style, cute, cool, and beautiful in equal, overflowing measure.
I have over 600 saved images of him, and I unironically watch comic dubs featuring him. My favourite ship is huskerdust, radiodust is for tasteless gayhags.
He's informed not only my sexuality (and where humanized fanart is concerned, body goals), but also my sense of style. I have an entire pinterest wishlist titled 'what would angel dust wear', with everything from classy ivory tuxedos and pinstripe suits to fishnets and fluffy sweaters. I even tried bleaching my hair one time to match so much the humanized fanart of him.
Alas, I'm doomed in this regard, I will never reach that aesthetic aryan ideal, because I am a 5"7 manlet with both a receeded chin and a norwood 3 at the ripe age of 20.
I am dirt broke and will never be able to afford any of the cosmetic surgery for this, much less limb lengthening. if I don't kill myself first I will live to see absolute eternal twinkdeath having never been twinkalive.
I can only hope a 5/10 gaycel like me can snag myself a sugar daddy with deep enough pockets to make me his perfect personal dress-up doll. Frick me man.
You have to dress according to your body type. There are all sorts of guides on how to do this and there are working styles for every body type including ugly things.
You can be Angeldust in ways beside visuals. Focus on that and you will be happy.
Making him so painfully evil made him the most boring of the "sins". I don't like how you have to be sympathetic in this show to be somewhat of a character, and anyone who's evil is just a flat dumbass.
>is the demon king of all Greed
>rather than become the Rothschild of Hell he is basically the equivalent of an evil rock band manager
I actually like his and Stella's shameless malevolence, it was when there was supposed to be nuance of political optics that it irked me but now it really doesn't matter so let them be as shamelessly depraved as possible.
They just stand out as basic strawmen in a show that loves to portray the heroes as super tragic figures. Like they're kid show characters in an adult series.
Accurate words for it like a sniper shot.
The problem isn't their malevolence. It's how petty the underlining of that evil is.
Stella hates her husband because hes a homosexual and is murderous over that. Mammon wants to have American Idol but evulz. These are such petty fricking goals.
I'm surprised Viv would work with Michael Cusack and Zach Hadel considering how "problematic" they are
I just hope I don’t have to see more episodes of Fizz being an insecure crybaby.
If it hasn't changed, you'll see Millie being the insecure one when she tries to kill herself when some jackass tells her she's "holding her husband back."
Every male character in this show except Crim and Striker are an insecure crybaby.
Running theme
>women just ain't funny
Insane women are a hoot sometimes
>Gets proven wrong in the end.
I loved the credits cag.
>"Women can't be funny" is said right when the writing credit announcing said joke was written in fact by a woman
Kinda weird the episode card doesn't feature Mammon's symbol as tradition despite it practically being everywhere in the episode compared to Bee or Ozzie's.
It's not a good idea to use their real symbols like this, without alterations. You're going to invoke some bad luck onto you doing this.
Why does Charlie have a vestigial hellhound muzzle? She's not a halfie. Seems like a weird thing to have.
After some of the stills I've seen, I thought she was half orangutan.
Also, we keep getting sparkledogs. When are we going to get an orangutan demon?
Literally made for Doomguy
Uummm... He THICC.
He is CUTE.
This show is a fricking nightmare. It's like a kid who learned their first swear word wrote a cartoon.
>Verification not required.
how am i supposed to fantasize about these characters when they're all in relationships
i dont want to be a homewrecker
Well just frick both!
wow thank you bros the mental block has been shattered
I can't whack it to Charlie. I just want so badly to protect her smile and hope she achieves her goals 🙁
>who let a human in--ahhhhh penis my lesbian powers are meltinnnnng
Imagine that you sprinkled holy water on the spouse in question. Boom, problem solved, and Vizzyshit cannot do ANYTHING about it. It CANNOT fail.
So when are we getting rule 63 art of Mammon?
I wanna see a gag where Loona sprinkles holy water into Moxxie's face cream and it gives him a rash.
There needs to be an episode where some nerdy occult club human falls into hell by accident and meets IMP.
And he's voiced by Zach Hadel.
He should be an /x/ poster and constantly talk about his tulpa and gangstalking
>Steve Urkel guest star episode
Would you frick Stolas or Andrealphus?
Octavia but only in certain prefectures of Japan
Stolas after a grimoire-induced sex swap.
Amazing. Need more horny femStolas
And diva male Stella
Millie after using the grimoire to add Verosika's height and figure to her.
Does that make Verosika a 60% ass midget?
...
I'm into that. Why am I into that?
Because ass gremlins are utterly based. It boils down the best parts of a woman into a tidy, portable package.
Boobs are objectively better than ass tho
Well, lucky for you, adding fat breasts to a gremlin works just as well.
Big breasts can't save a small ass. A big ass makes up for small boobs. Therefore,
Ass > Boobs
>Big breasts can't save a small ass
Small boobs are better anyway. Fat ass is just bad. Slender frame is the objectively superior choice.
>Boobs don't have any frick holes
We are just counting aesthetics here.
Boobs don't have any frick holes. Nipples don't count since nipple penetration only happens in hentai.
Why would you ruin Corpse Bride with this butthole.
i wanna see mammon rape fizzarolli
It's probably happened in canon. At the very least in the "casting couch" sense.
0% chance Mammon hasn't at the very least seen all the goods.
happening in canon and needing to see it are two different things, anon. i want to see mammon exploit all those holes
>Striker wants to kill stolas and Blitz
>Stella and her family wants to kill Stolas
>Moxxie's dad wants to kill Blitz, Mox and maybe Fizz now
>Mammon wants revenge on Fizz and Mammon
It's sorta funny how everyone except Loona and Mill have their own villain now. Y'know the other two characters that take up space on the poster of this show.
Kind of bs how Moxie got robbed out of Striker being his personal villain just so Blitz could get more puns out
I really don't get this boobs vs ass argument, like, isn't both being big ideal?
I like all sizes of boobs, but that ass gotta be fat.
a fat ass just makes a woman look fat
the downside being?
looking fat is unattractive
My problem with this chart is that it doesn't really account for what is really a pretty flexible system when you think about it.
Like how do you classify Crim properly? Yes, he's an imp, but in terms of influence he's a pseudo-overlord who built his own criminal empire. He commands the loyalty of demons who are more powerful than him physically.
What's even the point of the Goetia? They don't seem to do any administrating at all. Stolas seems to only do parties and whine about his existence.
>Seven Deadly Sins
>it's actually just 6 because 1 of them is also in his own caste
In any sufficiently complex world all hierarchies are "flexable". IRL if you are a literal slave of an extremely powerful aristocrat you have a lot of sway that a free man with no nobility has. A merchant may have more money and political influence than a noble who only has his owner and title and is broke. But at the same time the broke noble can go mingle among the other nobles and be more respected than the merchant.
Post Crymini.