The song sucks and this is probably the least that Vivzie's take on Hell has actually felt like Hell. She just dumped her Zoophobia setting into the Gluttony ring and called it a day. Kesha was horribly miscast but the silver lining is they won't be able to afford to keep her around.
In that she's pretty much done away from her party-pop background and has embraced elements of psychedelic stuff. If even fricking Pichfork liked her new LP, that says a lot
>She just dumped her Zoophobia setting into the Gluttony ring and called it a day.
This is exactly how I felt. Massive deja vu moment when the song started. Wasn't a good episode.
>She just dumped her Zoophobia setting into the Gluttony ring and called it a day.
This is exactly how I felt. Massive deja vu moment when the song started. Wasn't a good episode.
>She just dumped her Zoophobia setting
I'm sick of the furry crap in this setting. Not only is it Deviantart-tier but it's just so uninspired. When we see the silhouette of Queen Bee I was excited for some demon bee thing, and then it just turns out to be another wolf. Wasted opportunity.
It was a bee fox are you blind
Imagine wanting more bugmen when the incests we have are angel dust and valentino which just look like fosters friends.
Angel dust is just uncrippled white Wilt
Why do you think every location and character is tinted in eye-bleeding red?
Viv's vision of hell is so boring and uninspired she NEEDED that constant red to keep people convinced the show actually takes place in hell and not Viv's personal 2000s edgy furry deviantart paradise.
>She just dumped her Zoophobia setting into the Gluttony ring and called it a day.
This is exactly how I felt. Massive deja vu moment when the song started. Wasn't a good episode.
I'm so confused about all the legal issues that happened for this. I guess this is what happens when you hire a Hollywood celebrity lol.
Fun episode, it's a shame they had to delay the release like this but at least there are no compromises and we got the final product.
The intent of this episode definitely gives off the vibes that this was meant to be a celebration of the finale of s1 of Helluva and a celebration of the huge success of the show.
Kesha really hates her past so I'd have to speculate she's ashamed of doing this project because it ripped her back into that mindset and made her have to create a song in that style.
For this Kesha's being paid in favors and IOUs so it couldn't have bothered her too much. Maybe Beelzebub actually being a responsible partier was part of the negotiating. Also let me just say how lame it is that fricking Beelzebub in this setting is Kesha's fursona.
Vivzie has always been a fan of Kesha's early shitty pop, some of her old Youtube videos are AMVs of her songs so this episode is like dream fulfillment for her.
Yeah pretty much right? She's spent the budget on stars like Kesha and Norman Reedus. Neither of whom are coming back. She's writing season 2 around her fujoshi interests. Even if this brought us away from the show's narrative hook. She pretty much only set the story in hell so that she can use the colour red as much as she wants.
I had wondered why it felt like the show wanted you to like and dislike the characters that viv likes and dislikes. But the answer was that this show exists for purely Viv.
>Kesha really hates her past
Qrd? All I know about kesha (still ke$ha?) is that one "don't stop" song that was very popular when it came out and was even used for a simpsons couch gag. Does she regret that too?
Kesha apparently didn't want her name on the episode and she was in the middle of a court battle with her former producer. They settled just a few days ago and that's when Vivzie got the OK to post the episode so it definitely had something to do with it.
So, they didn't change anything to the episode, it's as it was planed to be?
Viv was basically saying over on Twitter not to expect a really pretty product because of what was going on. She just finally got permission to release it, so she's finally putting it out just to get it done and over with,.
>episode was supposed to be about Loona but it's more about Kesha's character and Loona having to take care of Blitzo
People had been demanding for more Blitzo and Loona content though. This episode finally showed it, and I feel it did a fairly good job of it. That said, Kesha was not needed and her song was weak
Its rough around the edges because it was rushed out the door due to all the legal issues that were going on. Viv was saying over on Twitter not to expect something as polished as a full on episode.
Viv was basically saying over on Twitter not to expect a really pretty product because of what was going on. She just finally got permission to release it, so she's finally putting it out just to get it done and over with,.
Kesha apparently didn't want her name on the episode and she was in the middle of a court battle with her former producer. They settled just a few days ago and that's when Vivzie got the OK to post the episode so it definitely had something to do with it.
So essentially what I'm gathering is the reason the song sounds so.. off is because they got kesha to originally sing the song but for some reason they had to replace her with another singer, which meant redubbing the entire scene? And now crew members can't post their roughs that feature the song portion of the episode since it still features Kesha singing and she doesn't want that to be shown or be in the episode for some reason
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Anonymous
funny thing is I didn't even notice the difference
11 months ago
Anonymous
Couldn't they just sync up their roughs with the version of the song in the episode?
11 months ago
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if kesla doesn't want the audio of her singing in the episode then viv has to respect that
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Probably all ties back into Kesha's legal issues. But props to the singer for sounding so much like Kesha that I couldn't tell the difference. Or maybe I didn't have an ear to tell the difference, I don't know.
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Couldn't they just sync up their roughs with the version of the song in the episode?
There were rumors and hints that a character from Hazbin was supposed to be in the finale, but because Viv signed away all rights to A24, she legally couldn't use the character, and as a result everything got fricked up and delayed.
Kesha apparently didn't want her name on the episode and she was in the middle of a court battle with her former producer. They settled just a few days ago and that's when Vivzie got the OK to post the episode so it definitely had something to do with it.
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It was good. I didn't laugh a lot but really enjoyed the song and didn't hate anything the characters were doing, which is more than I can say from most of S2. The way they treated the Loona/Blitz dynamic was better here than in any other episode, and it feels kinda odd that after this she goes back to kicking him in the balls. Loona is still a lame character but at least she's okay in this episode.
If they really took this long to release the episode because Kesha was being a b***h I don't expect her to ever come back. I can see them joking about Vortex breaking up with her the next time we see him over how stupid she was. Or they just recast as they did for the cowboy guy.
Don't hire celebrities for your indie cartoons kids.
>I can see them joking about Vortex breaking up with her the next time we see him over how stupid she was. Or they just recast as they did for the cowboy guy.
She's this setting's version of Beelzebub so yeah they'll recast her. I have to wonder if it was worth it for Viv.
>She's this setting's version of Beelzebub so yeah they'll recast her.
I don't think she is, she mentioned someone named Belle which could just be her nickname for the true Beelzebub
tl;dr version is that Kesha sued some big name music producer and accused him of raping her and generally treating her like dog shit because he wouldn't allow her to leave his record label.
We don't know, but if it is a coincidence that Kesha and Dr. Luke settled out of court the same week Viv got permission the episode it's a really huge one.
It's jarring honestly. Loona calling Blitz dad twice is such a progression for their relationship and then in season 2 she's back to thinly veiled hatred. The highlight of the ep was definetly the very end when they had a heart to heart, that should've been much longer.
>this is the finale of season 1
literally the first episode of the entire show had better emotional payoff and a more cohesive structure. what the frick happened?
Its vake kindness though. Its catty b***hy woman speak where everything they say has a double meaning and every sentence is a trap. If you react positively, they try again, if you get triggered then you become an outcast/target to harass further
I don't think Bee was being fake at the end I think she's just supposed to be a vapid sort of valley girl type with a genuine side to her. Which is basically how the public's perception of Kesha changed.
She looks like a skinnier, yellow version of Gigi oc from the kesha mv she did which makes sense I guess. There was even a scene when she had a similar color pallete.
She actually looks more tolerable with this palette and then she just turns into rainbow-colored vomit
She looks like a skinnier, yellow version of Gigi oc from the kesha mv she did which makes sense I guess. There was even a scene when she had a similar color pallete.
Queen Beelzebub should've looked like this the whole episode, bug eyes and more yellow.
Design is nice, but she doesn’t really fit as the prince of the gluttony ring. Why should she care if Blizo is getting wasted? Her main goal should be to get everyone that fricked. Also from the sneak peaks of season 2, there is going to be some drama with Ozzy dating Fizz eventually because he’s an imp. Why is she allowed to openly date a hellhound then, if hellhounds are even lower than imps in hells hierarchy? Is it cause she’s also kinda a hellhound, even though she’s meant to be a bee? It makes no sense.
Her design is artistically regressive for Viv. Her profanity-throwing party girl attitude was too much cookie-cutter stuff for me but her being actually reasonable that I found likeable.
I haven't and will not watch the episode, but I'm fricking appalled that this is supposed to be the avatar of gluttony. She is just a colorful hellhound with an extra pair of arms.
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>Dantes inferno
It really doesn't seen like Viv is taking a whole lot of inspiration from Divine Comedy, or at least less than people usually do. Hell is split into 7 circles based on the deadly sins, not 9 like in the Inferno.
is this character just another re-skin of JayJay? i always tough of Jay as vivzie's kinda personal OC or a character she likes a LOT since she always uses her design for background characters or something
Pretty sure Vivzie doesn't like using JayJay much for "official" productions because of the weird circumstances of owning her (i.e. buying her design off someone and not actually making JayJay herself). So now you have an OC Donut Steel based on someone else's OC in this weird sparkledog inception.
It is, and that is the problem.
Why would anyone chill the design and go like 'oooh there is probably a more bug like demon form she can shift into' when it's so clearly that Viv is just recycling trash that doesn't fit the theme.
She not only wasted the opportunity to make a disgusting fly demon but also fricked up the bee theme.
If you want anything with fringe horror and bees you do something with hiveminds and mass control, not whatever the shit is we got.
Beelzebub's eyes don't even look like bug eyes in the 'more demon like' shot we got
Literal dogshit.
It's straight up a furry with barely any resemblance to a fricking demon in any way shape of form. I genuinely don't understand how they fricked up so much when there's an example of a really well made hell lord in Asmodeus.
While I would've preferred that she had the body type of someone like Big Mama or Rumor Honeybottoms I really like her face value kindness. She's basically what Loona wishes she could be in every aspect so she filled her role of making Loona insecure fantastically. The best part is that Loona couldn't simply punch her (or her good advice) away due to her powers, so she was forced to play along.I was half expecting her to drug Loona's drinks
The problem though is that there is little to no reason for her to be Beelzebub and her design that doesn't really support that either. She could be some random powerful demon and it wouldn't change a thing. There is so little that makes her stand out. Also her being Tex's GF makes this world feel far too small and kills it's potential. Also creates inconsistencies because Ozzie and Stolas are shit on for dating imps when Hounds are as low as Imps in hierarchy (if not lower). It really feels like initially it was NOT meant to be Beelzebub.
>The problem though is that there is little to no reason for her to be Beelzebub and her design that doesn't really support that either. She could be some random powerful demon and it wouldn't change a thing. There is so little that makes her stand out.
Yeah....not that much of a fan either. If she transformed into some giant bug demon when she clapped back at Loona I think I wouldn't have a problem with her design.
>Also her being Tex's GF makes this world feel far too small and kills it's potential
Nah it's fine. If Tex was some rando then you would be right. But rubbing shoulders with Verosika Mayday, especially since Belz also seems to be a party animal like her makes it just plausible enough that Tex could legit have a chance at her. I do agree that she doesn't have to be Belz to do what she did this episode when it came to interacting with Loona specifically. There will be other episodes that'll definitely expand the world a bit. We've already had 2 episodes that go to different rings.
>Also creates inconsistencies because Ozzie and Stolas are shit on for dating imps when Hounds are as low as Imps in hierarchy (if not lower). It really feels like initially it was NOT meant to be Beelzebub.
I don't know enough lore to really dispute the hierarchy of
Helluva, but I don't remember Ozzie ever getting shit for dating Fizz, Stolas is another story though. It's possible that this only applies to HIS specific Goetia but let's be honest here, would it really be surprising to find out that people who live in hell are.............hypocrites? I do hope VIv addresses these lore questions some time soon though.
There is a teaser that shows a newspaper with Fizz and Ozzie being exposed and calling Ozzie a hypocrite. Also Tex being casually just Beel's boyfriend still feels forces. Overall this entire episode while not bad doesn't fit even Hell thing at all. It feels like animated episode of something like Zoophobia.
Oh. I don't normally stick around for those, but it seems like that episode will at least try to sort out this mess. I'll shit on Viv here because I do agree that it is a bit forced, but that's because that this is obviously Viv's gift to her self. So ironically gluttony is present in this episode after all!
>tfw no actual big titty bug gf that traps people during parties after they exceed the capabilities of their health >proceeds to use their still warm flesh as breeding grounds for eggs and feast on their remains >the party of a second lifetime! quite literally, here, sign this waiver
Kinda disappointed on the design. I've also had ideas for beelzebub as a mix of fly and cerberus to reflect both visions of gluttony (dante's inferno and traditional pagan baals), but this kesha beelze kinda falls flat for me. I would have even taken a triple body entity like helltaker's cerberus if they didn't want a stereotypical 3-headed hellhound thing (design's already kinda busy with the multiple limbs and all the colors), but episode seemed way too short and way too fast as usual, I could imagine the time you need to present such a triple entity character would conflict with the rest of the thing, but on the other hand I think it could have helped loona's conflict with beelze being a "multi-faced b***h" or something. Maybe kesha can't do more than one type of voice idk. Didn't like the song either.
Outside of that, she's really nothing as a character. Alpha party b***h, that's the extent of her deal. Also how does her honey harvesting system work? She gets all hellhounds to party really hard and they cum/vomit honey? And then she eats it as energy life force? Is there a royal jelly version?
>Also how does her honey harvesting system work? She gets all hellhounds to party really hard and they cum/vomit honey?
She doesn't harvest the honey, she just passively absorbs the energy and ~vibes~ from their consumption.
Fricking love the Kesha Bee character. Can't believe they got her to sing and be a VA, that's amazing.
Seems like there's definitely a recurring theme now, with these high ranking characters dating lower-born ones. Wonder why that is, all of the characters frok the 7 princes/princesses we've seen so far are dating imps or hellhounds.
>Got some catharsis for Blitz + Loona >But now her wigging out against him in S2 makes even less sense >Still no answers why the Stolas/Blitz relationship changed
People who said this episode would save Season 2 were blown up. Pic related remains painfully accurate
This episode however does fit in with the tone the show started as, there's some angst at the end but nothing too dramatic, it's more comedic.
That said it wasn't very funny either.
The fact this was a good episode makes me think there shouldn't be any plot-heavy episodes, and the show should just be characters doing their thing. I didn't need any of the divorce crap or Moxxie's abusive backstory.
See I'm fine with that stuff, like I dont have much issue with the Circus or Exes and Ohs beyond some gripes but overall don't feel their drastically different in quality to S1 episodes.
Where S2s really faltered is when it's tried to do this whole B or even C plot thing and they just end up undercutting the A plot. Striker episode was a great example of that I liked most of the A plot scenes, Stolas trolling Striker so he wouldnt get satisfaction out of the torture was a good moment for him. The fight scene was fun and well animatee but for some reason it had to be undercut repeatedly by cutaways to a pointless B-plot that could of just been a 20 second gag.
>muh AU slice of life hitman imps was taken from us!
It was never there. Literally the pilot was gay shit.
Blitzø was always going to frick the owl. 104 will always be the most jarring episode for having nothing to do with the REAL story other than injecting some heaven lore while HH was tied up.
>People who said this episode would save Season 2
How? When this episode was delayed, Viv literally said "uh this episode isn't that important and you can go to season 2 without watching this one and not missed out on anything". Dunno how the hell was this supposed to save anything.
>Still no answers why the Stolas/Blitz relationship changed
We already do, though, in that Blitz is a complete trainwreck incapable of communicating and opening up. We were left to assume that since s1e7 blitz simply pretended nothing happened that night, and s2e4 confirmed it through their text history.
What's up with all the powerful demons dating lower class imps/hellhounds?
Why did Ozzie's set up Stolas fricking Blitz as being a huge scandalous deal when everyone else is doing it?
HMOFA isn't mainstream at all. Come back when there's a major HMOFA movie.
There's no "Shape of Water" about a Victorian doctor finding a "wild woman" in a sideshow and trying to prove she's intelligent and then fricking her.
>hmofa is mainstream >there is no hmofa in the mainstream >therefore i am right
Do you even know what words mean?
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Anonymous
The point is that /hmofa/ has gotten too big - hell when I go there on /trash/ all I see is circlejerking and fricking Burzum. Be a real man, go to /adhg/.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wait, so it's "mainstream" because of one thread on a semi-hidden board on a minor social media site?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The point is that /hmofa/ has gotten too big - hell when I go there on /trash/ all I see is circlejerking and fricking Burzum. Be a real man, go to /adhg/.
>hmofa is mainstream >there is no hmofa in the mainstream >therefore i am right
Do you even know what words mean?
Thanks for proving my point homosexual.
HMOFA isn't mainstream at all. Come back when there's a major HMOFA movie.
There's no "Shape of Water" about a Victorian doctor finding a "wild woman" in a sideshow and trying to prove she's intelligent and then fricking her.
/hmofa/ is fricking too mainstream due to summergays and newbies.
Guys you're arguing in circles, give it up
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/hmofa/ and it's consequences for all of Cinemaphile
>be in hell >throw a party in hell drugs and all >Uh, yeah your dad is partying TOO hard come get him >All he's doing is making out and drinking >Can't even say "bitch" even though half the attendees are literal b***hes
What is this lame ass fricking party?
Which is funny because Bee literally tells Loona to drink it it and tear it the frick up. Only to go, wow your dad has "bad vibes" two minutes after Blitzo shows up.
All the Demon Princes have been shown to have less demonic alter appearances. I don't know why it's inconceivable that the Prince lording over the ring with the most hellhounds wouldn't want to appear as one, especially when hosting a huge party full of them.
>b***h is the N word for hellhounds >wtf why is excessive displays of lust at a gluttony party frowned upon
Well shit that was quick >15mins
LAZY HACK FRICK YOU LAZY LAZY HACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK >WOMAN MANAGER >TOPPEST OF KEKS
shitposting aside neat she released it "rather quickly" how many episodes is this season going to be 10 or 12?. Wow it might be finished by the end of the year. Then no more helluva boss, we'll be free FOREVER!
I have issue with Beel. She has no presence like Ozzie and could be just some powerful demon. Not Beel herself. And also Tex's gf. Makes the world feel too small.
>Ozzie is voiced by a theater actor who has been on Broadway >Bee is voiced by a singer who has no acting experience let alone voice acting experience
Yeah not a surprise. We should speculate on who they'll recast for Bee.
It's not just the voice, but the design and the way she acts. It makes no sense that this Beelzebub and the whole episode fells like it belongs to Zoophobia and not a series about Hell. also this episode makes Seeing Stars Loona SO MUCH worse.
More likely she'll not Trapper, or?
I wonder if they are gently burning through all princes of hell in HB instead of saving at least one or two to interact with Lucifer in HH
The only one that doesn't feel foggy yet is Belphi in Sloth with Dreamville and drugging everyone
>I'm the demon lord of Gluttony >My entire thing is people consuming to excess >But this guy is drinking too much >And for bad reasons >So I'm not about that
For frick's sake.
It's not impossible that Kesha wanted that, since she's had substance abuse problems in the past. But then I have to wonder >why did Kesha accept the role
or >why did Vivzie write this sort of character for a singer she presumably admires
So based on what was in the Discord messages yesterday, that the episode was "wrapped up in a lot of legal red tape regarding desires of a cast member" - I thought that meant Kesha just didn't want her song in it. I didn't realize she'd be voicing a character AND having an original song in it.
So what the frick happened to cause this? Kesha didn't like the final product? It reminds her too much of the persona Dr. Luke made her have? She just hates Viv?
And Viv and co sure didn't tag Kesha anywhere so it's definitely true.
So based on what was in the Discord messages yesterday, that the episode was "wrapped up in a lot of legal red tape regarding desires of a cast member" - I thought that meant Kesha just didn't want her song in it. I didn't realize she'd be voicing a character AND having an original song in it.
So what the frick happened to cause this? Kesha didn't like the final product? It reminds her too much of the persona Dr. Luke made her have? She just hates Viv?
And Viv and co sure didn't tag Kesha anywhere so it's definitely true.
It def feels like the character was portraying the thing that Kesha didn't like about herself, the one that Luke made and she didn't want anything to do with it.
Which is really odd when it's clear that Kesha is a big inspiration for Viv? You would think she would know about everything that was happening with her and just take a step back to try and find someone else to do it. But instead she just went "Frick it, I don't care about your trauma." and made the character anyway.
This made me feel stupid for saying the s2e4 was good. This wasn't perfect, but it had touches of actual quality. The way Loona starts to understand and emphasize with Blitz was actually pretty well done. They are both broken wrecks for very similar reasons, so it makes sense that they would find common ground eventually. That scene at the end was one of the best emotional moments the show has ever attempted and seeing them manage actual character progression like this makes me really miss the season one days. Season one really was a whole different animal. I wonder what changed behind the scenes...
It's probably because imps are recolored humans.
Everything that isn't a human actually needs a single moment of thinking about what you are doing with the design
Most of the background characters are just basically just the animation and board teaming having fun yeah. Would be a crazy amount of work for the design team to do sheets for every background character.
we were told not to expect much in this episode, and yet the turboautists with hateboners still bemoan and b***h about it
tells you all you need to know
When Bee gets mad at Loona and she starts to transform she actually starts to look more like a bee, so there's that. I wonder if she can shapeshift and the hellhound form is just to make tings easier for her and Vortez.
>Hell is supposed to a very classist society >Hellhounds, alongside imps, are meant to be as the absolute bottom of society and have it the worse >One of the Seven Deadly Sins is a fricking Hellhound, who’s also fricking a different hellhound casually
So, is the whole “demon hierarchy” just bs now, because if that’s the case, I hate Stolas conflict with Blitzo even more
No, no. Anon you don't get it. She's not a hellhound she's a uh, BEEHound. It's different because she makes bug noises and buzzes sometimes. It's okay don't think too much about it.
It hurts, because maybe I was just a dumb teen at the time, but Hazbin Hotel's intialy worldbuilding premise seemed pretty interesting at the time when you ignored all the stupid designs.
Before the rings and deadly sins and shit, Viv's hell just looked like an anarchist shit hole where the bad people of the world were sent to torture each other by fighting over an overpopulated mess, and you had to be tough to survive, since you could either die in the yearly extermination, be at the wrong place during a turf war, or just get killed for walking into the wrong butcher shop.
Now that the lore is all autistic now and contradictory, there's really no reason to be excited for Hazbin.
>This reminds me of when I saw Satan with his shirt off
Please let this be the "Satan and Lucifer are two separate beings" version. Otherwise how is that b***h salivating over Viv's twinkish ass version of Satan?
How is Beelzebub not a fly but a bee/wolf hybrid? Did she see Bee and thought >Oh yeah BEElzebub is actually a bee
The bee thing would be fine enough but the wolf i dont get
Viv just likes wolves I think. But my question is, was the character always intended to be Beelzebub or did she just see BEE and then go nuts with the concept?
>go through legal and probably budget hell to get a singer you like to work on your show >you can't even get her to sing, all she does is deliver a sub-par song and voice acting and you're just going to have to recast the character anyway >she also supposedly doesn't want her name on the project
Vivzie's gotta stop doing this
Kinda love that one of Viv's idols caused so many problems for her and doesn't even want to be associated with it. That must sting that Kesha isn't sucking up to her. At least all the Z-list Broadway people she got for HH suck her ass.
Fingers crossed that Weird Al refused to be in HH too.
>So Stolas and Blitzo act like nothing happened in S2E2
Yes. That's just the kind of person Blitz is, and the reason why their relationship is completely dysfunctional.
>Season 1 ends on a cliffhanger thanks to missing episode >Season 2 goes balls deep on the dumb romance plot >Missing episode does nothing to explain why it went from "You know what this is" to moronic flirting
>dedicates half the episode to a probably the worst musical number yet >The other half is just a middle schooler's idea of a party >Five seconds of le emotional sad Blitzo
Yawn/10. The Alejandro joke was funny, though.
That's, like, half of line deliveries in HH/ Helluva. It's like they got their actors recording their lines separately at home with little to no context or direction- Oh wait.
Yes, but I don't think anyone on the team is experienced enough to have thought of this. I'm actually amazed the actual actors who show up don't make a stink about how badly organized the voice acting part of the show is.
I hope Belphi doesn't appear in person at all and keeps being hinted at with drugs all through HB and HH.
Then if HH ever gets a grand finale I want a banquet with all princes of hell that turns into a battle royal for plot reasons except one after another drops like a fly only for Belphegor to explain that he drugged everyone's drinks and food because it's too much of a hassel to deal with.
I feel like Vivzie could take some inspiration of warhammer, the ring of gluttony and lust should look like something coming from emperor's children or slaaneshs parties
either that or it shouldve been this industrial meat grinder shithole factory. I know Viv is too coward for it, but in my heart of hearts I was hoping to see scenes outta Dead Sky, Black Sun with Khalan-Gols factories and giant bloated devils being forcefed slop and getting harvested with cattle guns or some shit. Its sad knowing that no one will ever be based enough to show Eidolon or the Kakophani having a REAL party
Yknow after reading that one Ian Watson story where the emperors children break into a harem and “have fun” maybe she didn’t need to. Although that was a raid and not one of their usual parties so..
I don't think anyone was expecting Vivzie to be accurate with a demon associated with flies but nobody expected her to hand us a dog that looks like Kesha threw up on it and say it was Beelzebub.
Because this isnt hell. Its Los Angeles with a filter. We could have kino. We could have breathtaking, mind boggling masterpiece renaissance art, giger-esque scenes. Instead we have nightclub 1, nightclub 2, new orleans looking street, etc
isn't there basically no real description of hell in the actual bible beyond "it's a lake of fire" anyway
pretty much everything people associate with hell comes from either other religions or fanfics like the divine comedy
>Meta Runner S1 finale
MD-5’s plan goes to hell, Masa gets his arm blown off, Theo gets captured, Lucinia was Sofia’s sister the whole time (and is possibly still alive maybe), Tari surrenders herself to Lucks, but there’s still a glimmer of hope because Belle decides not to turn over Sofia’s backup phone to Lucks >Helluva Boss S1 finale
Kesha am I right
Let me remind you MR S1 was made by people who never attempted an animated show before
So why the frick are we running episodes out of order now? Can't really blame the network on this one. It's because Vivzie wanted to obsess over that stupid fricking scene pop furry AMV shit, isn't it? Honestly skipped through most of that.
>the goetia nobility treats imps (and probably hellhounds too) like shit since they are the lower caste of hell >but the Sins who are the lords of hell don't and can have relationships with them (azmo and beel)
I genuinely don't get this, you'd think that the beings behind Lucifer in the hierarchy would treat them far worse.
stolas's story is being modeled after being gay in an extremely christian family
you know how people make fun of those types of families and point out how it's not "true christian values" to hate any group of people?
that's the parallels being drawn here
>Woah girl, your dad's acting a little too intense for our high school teen LARPing party, you need to go
Loona's right for standing her ground. It's hilarious how tame the party was for being hosted by THE queen of Gluttony. Compared to the Lust ring and getting kicked out of clubs for NOT being about wanton desire.
they didnt kick him out for being too intense they complemented him for drinking everyone under the table and being a massive homosexual with other imps. they kicked him out because he was being a buzzkill for offloading his baggage with owl boy and lust ring in the middle of their party.
Bee outright says it when they confronted loona about it. his mood was affecting the rest of the party. she has no problem with people being over indulgent she was drowning people in liquor 5 minutes ago.
Ozzie's gripes with Millie and Moxxie at least made sense in his episode. They were literally killing the mood of the club which was lust.
Bee gripe with Blitzo makes any sense. What he was enjoying hiself TOO much for her liking? Was she going to run out of Bee juice or some shit?
Ozzie's gripes with Millie and Moxxie at least made sense in his episode. They were literally killing the mood of the club which was lust.
Bee gripe with Blitzo makes any sense. What he was enjoying hiself TOO much for her liking? Was she going to run out of Bee juice or some shit?
Gluttony is about enjoying in excess but blitzo wasnt enjoying.
Also he didnt get all the bee juice in his mouth
Waste is bad
Waste is for Sloth
Maybe the bee juice factory was shut down and they didn't have enough
>uh-oh there was a factory mixup >we accidentally mixed up the hell factory with the sparkledog factory >now our fortune cookies absorb up to 2 pints of human cum >damn you blitz-o, how many times am i going to have to clean up your messes
she is one of the seven deadly sins but just like rwby and other shit shows, you have to check the creator's twitter and reddit answers to know what the frick is going on
That was... Ehhh. Probably between passable and good.
Was it a massive step up? No. Did have the usual trappings of the punchline being excessive swearing or hornyness? Yes. Was it worth the the one and and half year delay? It sure was hell wasn't!
I guess it's because he was partying hard to lash out after a shitty night, but with the amount of people in that party I doubt he's the only loser there in that situation.
I'll watch it if it isn't another sappy episode about these murder demons from hell talking about their feelings. Is it or did it finally remember what show it was?
Funnily enough it is very much that (the sappy feeling fest I mean).
So that's like what. The entire second half of this season 1? Man I think it's so cool that Vivzie pulled this off. It's great to see it but as an actual show to watch it's like the people making it have that tumblr thing of loving their heckin chungus perfect beans so much and making just talk about the precious feelings to each other etc. It's so innapropriate. What do they all have an inpromptu therapy session and then blow off another babys head with a shotgun?
He drank too much beelzebub honey
Btw I headcanon it as completely normal mundane honey that makes devils, imps and hellhounds incredibly drunk for some reason
They can do anything but it's fricking bizzare to try to make people love these heckin chongo beans who are murders for hire. That's the premise of the show. If they're all sitting around therapying at each other you'd think it would be a gag and not an attempt at a heartfelt moment. Somehow it's practically become the formula at this point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What are some examples of actual evil protagonists? Some anon mentioned Honsou from 40k earlier although I think that is waaay to far
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know tbh.
11 months ago
Anonymous
SURELY Cinemaphile knows of blatantly evil protagonists that aren’t Honsou
The song mentioned cotton candy so many times that I thought it should have relevance, but I knew it wouldn't.
Shit song, came in far too early in the episode, mediocre episode, I feel as though nothing happened. Maybe I'd feel a little different if I had seen the episodes in order, but I doubt it.
This episode just ruins whatever grasp of Hell politics we have. Beel is suppose to be one of the head honchos, the very top of the demonic order bar Lucifer himself. Yet she is basically some drunk eccentric sorority girl who seems to only spend time preparing parties, and the fact her bf is a hellhound, on the very bottom of the order raises more questions since it seems perfectly ok. I guess maybe its ok since she is like the queen of the hellhounds or some shit like satan is king of the imps or since she is at the very top she can be with whoever she wants
Ozzy owing a gentleman's club with strippers and shit makes sense since he the Prince of Lust and his relationship with Fizz is hidden under Fizz just being his servant. He has some sense of profession and noble aura to him, the kind an almighty demon like him should
Also that reminds me, there is way too much overlap between Ozzy and Beel. Beel just seems like an inferior Ozzy
>This episode just ruins whatever grasp of Hell politics we have. Beel is suppose to be one of the head honchos, the very top of the demonic order bar Lucifer himself. Yet she is basically some drunk eccentric sorority girl who seems to only spend time preparing parties
Hey if one of the most powerful demon in hell want to throw a frat party, she will throw a frat party and no one will argue with it What's the point of having so much power if you can not pull out shit like that?
Up to that point it's understandable, it's the same as Ozzy though less cool. For me the issue is that she's dating a bottom feeder and nobody blinks an eye.
>For me the issue is that she's dating a bottom feeder and nobody blinks an eye
An other perk of being a top-boss is that you can date whoever you want and no one is allowed to blink an eye.
That's not what I mean. Loona finds out during the episode and all we get as a reaction is that she's heartbroken because her crush has a girlfriend. No reaction whatsoever to said girlfriend being a ruler of hell.
It's clearly not a case of nobody daring to say anything because of their authority, it's that nobody gives a frick plain and simple. Loona herself gets snappy and starts b***hing at Bee no problem, I at least can't feel the supposed authority.
Because there's no reason for the show to have taken place in hell other than Viv really likes colouring things in red. Bee might as well have just been a human celeb for how she's acting.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Actually, it help a lot with the killing, the gore and the extra consumption of alcohol, drug and gross display of sexual behavior. Not to mention all the weirdo creatures. And it all get a pass because LoL, it's hell. Hell as a setting means there is a lot more forgiveness for your lack of restrain.
>It's clearly not a case of nobody daring to say anything because of their authority, it's that nobody gives a frick plain and simple
She just know she can't compete.
Would that not be a flaw? A weakness? A chink in the armour of this “top-boss” that would be eagerly exploited by the many aspiring rivals and challengers who wish to dethrone and usurp her?
What if you are powerful enough that even that wouldn't be a weakness. What you are talking about is for people who only have the illusion of power and need to maintain it. What if it's someone with REAL power.
Loona constantly being portrayed as nothing more but an unlikable furry bait is really funny. Bee is concerned about her dad and she lashes out? What the frick is her actual problem.
wtf Loona can talk now?!
They talk now.
Before I watch it, tell me, are the leaks true?
Yes, Octavia get fricking beheaded. It was really gory for a youtube show.
The song sucks and this is probably the least that Vivzie's take on Hell has actually felt like Hell. She just dumped her Zoophobia setting into the Gluttony ring and called it a day. Kesha was horribly miscast but the silver lining is they won't be able to afford to keep her around.
The music isn't that good. It sounds way too much like Kesha's old material, and not her new, more experimental stuff
Even if it's a parody of shallow pop it's not even a good one
Yeah she clearly phoned it in. She can and has done a lot better. Hell her new LP was actually really good.
>kesha
>experimental
wot? genuine wot?
In that she's pretty much done away from her party-pop background and has embraced elements of psychedelic stuff. If even fricking Pichfork liked her new LP, that says a lot
>She just dumped her Zoophobia setting into the Gluttony ring and called it a day.
This is exactly how I felt. Massive deja vu moment when the song started. Wasn't a good episode.
>gluttony ring
>not a single chubby waifu
You had one job, Viv
Uhhm
Chubby waifu on the right
>She just dumped her Zoophobia setting
I'm sick of the furry crap in this setting. Not only is it Deviantart-tier but it's just so uninspired. When we see the silhouette of Queen Bee I was excited for some demon bee thing, and then it just turns out to be another wolf. Wasted opportunity.
It was a bee fox are you blind
Imagine wanting more bugmen when the incests we have are angel dust and valentino which just look like fosters friends.
Angel dust is just uncrippled white Wilt
It was a bee-THEMED fox. It was still a fox. I wanted a fricking bee. There was no reason for it to be a fox at all.
>Angel dust is just uncrippled white Wilt
Honestly.. this is better than the actual angel dust
She has a bee form but yeah for some reason she chooses to look like a hellhound??
beeba
This song fricking blows yeah. It's especially bad because you can tell it was supposed to carry the episode.
it's literally a pop cover within the 1st 5 mins of the episode, viv would need to be actually moronic to think it would be the emotional core
This. Zero relation to hell. If it wasn't informed by word of god nobody would be able to tell
Why do you think every location and character is tinted in eye-bleeding red?
Viv's vision of hell is so boring and uninspired she NEEDED that constant red to keep people convinced the show actually takes place in hell and not Viv's personal 2000s edgy furry deviantart paradise.
Literally how I felt
does anyone fricking care?
>123k views in 13 minutes
Sure seems like it.
Once people know Kesha is in it and has a new song, those views are gonna skyrocket really fast.
https://sheldonemrylibrary.famguardian.org/Books/Where%20Is%20Your%20Soul.pdf
your thoughts on this?
Sweet, this mean I can now watch season 2 too and understand why everyone complain about it.
I'm so confused about all the legal issues that happened for this. I guess this is what happens when you hire a Hollywood celebrity lol.
Fun episode, it's a shame they had to delay the release like this but at least there are no compromises and we got the final product.
The intent of this episode definitely gives off the vibes that this was meant to be a celebration of the finale of s1 of Helluva and a celebration of the huge success of the show.
Kesha really hates her past so I'd have to speculate she's ashamed of doing this project because it ripped her back into that mindset and made her have to create a song in that style.
Maybe. She literally just settled her lawsuit with Dr. Luke as well, so she probably wants to forget that part of her life.
For this Kesha's being paid in favors and IOUs so it couldn't have bothered her too much. Maybe Beelzebub actually being a responsible partier was part of the negotiating. Also let me just say how lame it is that fricking Beelzebub in this setting is Kesha's fursona.
Vivzie has always been a fan of Kesha's early shitty pop, some of her old Youtube videos are AMVs of her songs so this episode is like dream fulfillment for her.
>dream fulfillment
And there’s Viv’s problem right there
She cares more about making something that can appeal to her tastes than a naturally progressing story
Yeah pretty much right? She's spent the budget on stars like Kesha and Norman Reedus. Neither of whom are coming back. She's writing season 2 around her fujoshi interests. Even if this brought us away from the show's narrative hook. She pretty much only set the story in hell so that she can use the colour red as much as she wants.
I had wondered why it felt like the show wanted you to like and dislike the characters that viv likes and dislikes. But the answer was that this show exists for purely Viv.
>Kesha really hates her past
Qrd? All I know about kesha (still ke$ha?) is that one "don't stop" song that was very popular when it came out and was even used for a simpsons couch gag. Does she regret that too?
So, what was the actual reason of the delay?
Kesha's an autistic c**t basically.
Elaborate.
Literally just a woman moment, what else do you want? 2 hour youtube essay?
YES
So, they didn't change anything to the episode, it's as it was planed to be?
>So, they didn't change anything to the episode, it's as it was planed to be?
Can anyone confirm?
Maybe some actual explanation instead of just throwing buzzwords
This is such a weird way to end the season and to follow up on episode 7.
It clearly wasn't the way it was meant to end. A lot got cut due to all the stuff going on with A24.
>15 min long
>crap quality
Its over
Viv was basically saying over on Twitter not to expect a really pretty product because of what was going on. She just finally got permission to release it, so she's finally putting it out just to get it done and over with,.
>episode was supposed to be about Loona but it's more about Kesha's character and Loona having to take care of Blitzo
We waited a year for this
>episode was supposed to be about Loona but it's more about Kesha's character and Loona having to take care of Blitzo
People had been demanding for more Blitzo and Loona content though. This episode finally showed it, and I feel it did a fairly good job of it. That said, Kesha was not needed and her song was weak
It could not be more Over
it wasn't *about* anything. literally nothing happened.
I think it's funny this episode shows how flat Loona is in canon compared to other furry b***hes in hell. Fanart ain't canon kids.
Good. Flat is justice.
Boo
She needs 6 nipple-breasts atleast
Even if it makes sense, I'm not as much of a fan as the progressively smaller breasts thing that goes on most of the time with those.
I mean I kinda figured since her human form is a string bean
>level 1 no augments vs max level bis augments
A lot of characters end up looking off model so in my head she still has big breasts bc thats what she started with
>30s in
Why is it so cartoonty
Vortex was a gigachad last season now he's a fursona
Its rough around the edges because it was rushed out the door due to all the legal issues that were going on. Viv was saying over on Twitter not to expect something as polished as a full on episode.
>legal issues
???
Kesha apparently didn't want her name on the episode and she was in the middle of a court battle with her former producer. They settled just a few days ago and that's when Vivzie got the OK to post the episode so it definitely had something to do with it.
Got source on this other than >Cinemaphile
I hate hollyn****rs
Frick the rich
So essentially what I'm gathering is the reason the song sounds so.. off is because they got kesha to originally sing the song but for some reason they had to replace her with another singer, which meant redubbing the entire scene? And now crew members can't post their roughs that feature the song portion of the episode since it still features Kesha singing and she doesn't want that to be shown or be in the episode for some reason
funny thing is I didn't even notice the difference
Couldn't they just sync up their roughs with the version of the song in the episode?
if kesla doesn't want the audio of her singing in the episode then viv has to respect that
Probably all ties back into Kesha's legal issues. But props to the singer for sounding so much like Kesha that I couldn't tell the difference. Or maybe I didn't have an ear to tell the difference, I don't know.
Is the rough available somewhere?
Source?
There were rumors and hints that a character from Hazbin was supposed to be in the finale, but because Viv signed away all rights to A24, she legally couldn't use the character, and as a result everything got fricked up and delayed.
Yeah that makes sense.
I'mma need to see some sources outside of "it was posted to Cinemaphile by anon"
Sorry the closest you're gonna get is discord leaks from totally reliable sources. Nobody's going to blab about what really happened.
It was good. I didn't laugh a lot but really enjoyed the song and didn't hate anything the characters were doing, which is more than I can say from most of S2. The way they treated the Loona/Blitz dynamic was better here than in any other episode, and it feels kinda odd that after this she goes back to kicking him in the balls. Loona is still a lame character but at least she's okay in this episode.
If they really took this long to release the episode because Kesha was being a b***h I don't expect her to ever come back. I can see them joking about Vortex breaking up with her the next time we see him over how stupid she was. Or they just recast as they did for the cowboy guy.
Don't hire celebrities for your indie cartoons kids.
>I can see them joking about Vortex breaking up with her the next time we see him over how stupid she was. Or they just recast as they did for the cowboy guy.
She's this setting's version of Beelzebub so yeah they'll recast her. I have to wonder if it was worth it for Viv.
>She's this setting's version of Beelzebub so yeah they'll recast her.
I don't think she is, she mentioned someone named Belle which could just be her nickname for the true Beelzebub
She's referring to Belphegor here.
Belphegor
I think in general don't hire celebrities just for voice acting, it's expensive and doesn't work that often.
This episode confirms that the new writer is the reason why Loona was a lot more violent with Blitzo than previous episodes.
Which is very annoying
So basically it was some legal nonsense with Kesha I guess?
Looks like it. Viv is a massive Kesha fangirl and she was gonna fight hell or highwater to get Kesha in HB.
Not with Kesha herself, but related to Kesha having a legal issue with someone else.
Huh? Explain?
tl;dr version is that Kesha sued some big name music producer and accused him of raping her and generally treating her like dog shit because he wouldn't allow her to leave his record label.
What does that have to do with helluva boss though?
Because the lawsuit is apparently the reason why this episode didn't come out until now. The lawsuit finally just got settled a few days ago.
What a tangled web the legal system can be.
We don't know, but if it is a coincidence that Kesha and Dr. Luke settled out of court the same week Viv got permission the episode it's a really huge one.
Some former producer bullshit about her production name or some shit.
That was cringe.
When is Loona getting her own show?
Remember when this show was about a hitman agency going to earth to kill humans?
Better times. Better times.
The difference in writing quality between this holdover from Season 1 and all of Season 2 is night and fricking day
It's jarring honestly. Loona calling Blitz dad twice is such a progression for their relationship and then in season 2 she's back to thinly veiled hatred. The highlight of the ep was definetly the very end when they had a heart to heart, that should've been much longer.
>This is the fricking finale of season 1
Rate it bros...
Honestly a 7/10. Kesha was fine I guess, nothing special. But it was good to see a real dynamic with Blitzo and Loona that's been badly missing.
>this is the finale of season 1
literally the first episode of the entire show had better emotional payoff and a more cohesive structure. what the frick happened?
Is Helluva Boss past the point of no return? I keep on waiting for an episode thats similar to the first 5 and every time I’m dissapointed.
so what do we think of her?
She's hot
she's not
Is this show even set in Hell anymore lol
Dantes inferno
Calm down blitzø
its 7 circles, not dante's 9
Interesting, but give me the full bee version you frickin cowards.
why was loona mad at her when she was being friendly? especially when she told her to check on blitz
I guess because she was Tex's girlfriend
Loona doesn't know how to respond to kindness
Its vake kindness though. Its catty b***hy woman speak where everything they say has a double meaning and every sentence is a trap. If you react positively, they try again, if you get triggered then you become an outcast/target to harass further
I don't think Bee was being fake at the end I think she's just supposed to be a vapid sort of valley girl type with a genuine side to her. Which is basically how the public's perception of Kesha changed.
oh loona's here
Give me her number
Not a furry so I didn't care too much about her, but I like that she put Loona in her place.
This is the least hellish design in the whole show
Why is she even Beelzebub? She could be fine as some powerful Demon, but not Beelzebub.
is she supposed to be a bee? becaus she's not bee-like at all
She looks like a skinnier, yellow version of Gigi oc from the kesha mv she did which makes sense I guess. There was even a scene when she had a similar color pallete.
Queen Beelzebub should've looked like this the whole episode, bug eyes and more yellow.
Makes her more demon like.
Design is nice, but she doesn’t really fit as the prince of the gluttony ring. Why should she care if Blizo is getting wasted? Her main goal should be to get everyone that fricked. Also from the sneak peaks of season 2, there is going to be some drama with Ozzy dating Fizz eventually because he’s an imp. Why is she allowed to openly date a hellhound then, if hellhounds are even lower than imps in hells hierarchy? Is it cause she’s also kinda a hellhound, even though she’s meant to be a bee? It makes no sense.
Stupid ass design for a gluttony character.
she's trans
How is she trans if she's voiced by kesha though?
If only you knew, anon
Well are you gonna fricking TELL ME??
Paging all fatfur artists
Her design is artistically regressive for Viv. Her profanity-throwing party girl attitude was too much cookie-cutter stuff for me but her being actually reasonable that I found likeable.
I haven't and will not watch the episode, but I'm fricking appalled that this is supposed to be the avatar of gluttony. She is just a colorful hellhound with an extra pair of arms.
>Dantes inferno
It really doesn't seen like Viv is taking a whole lot of inspiration from Divine Comedy, or at least less than people usually do. Hell is split into 7 circles based on the deadly sins, not 9 like in the Inferno.
the Nine Circles are all in the Pride Ring
is this character just another re-skin of JayJay? i always tough of Jay as vivzie's kinda personal OC or a character she likes a LOT since she always uses her design for background characters or something
Pretty sure Vivzie doesn't like using JayJay much for "official" productions because of the weird circumstances of owning her (i.e. buying her design off someone and not actually making JayJay herself). So now you have an OC Donut Steel based on someone else's OC in this weird sparkledog inception.
It is, and that is the problem.
Why would anyone chill the design and go like 'oooh there is probably a more bug like demon form she can shift into' when it's so clearly that Viv is just recycling trash that doesn't fit the theme.
She not only wasted the opportunity to make a disgusting fly demon but also fricked up the bee theme.
If you want anything with fringe horror and bees you do something with hiveminds and mass control, not whatever the shit is we got.
Beelzebub's eyes don't even look like bug eyes in the 'more demon like' shot we got
>If you want anything with fringe horror and bees you do something with hiveminds and mass control
Dammit we were robbed of high quality hypno content
Also this makes
seem plausible
JayJay is literally just Kesha, that's why she's Beel now.
Is AI making the show now?
I was hoping she would look like a grotesque insect demon, but she's hot. I feel conflicted.
She literally looks like a fursona oc from deviantart
IT'S HIP TO FRICK BEES
althought Beelzebub is the Lord of Flies :^)
Literal dogshit.
It's straight up a furry with barely any resemblance to a fricking demon in any way shape of form. I genuinely don't understand how they fricked up so much when there's an example of a really well made hell lord in Asmodeus.
It's absolutely pathetic that Viv refused to commit to the bee/insect theme.
While I would've preferred that she had the body type of someone like Big Mama or Rumor Honeybottoms I really like her face value kindness. She's basically what Loona wishes she could be in every aspect so she filled her role of making Loona insecure fantastically. The best part is that Loona couldn't simply punch her (or her good advice) away due to her powers, so she was forced to play along.I was half expecting her to drug Loona's drinks
The problem though is that there is little to no reason for her to be Beelzebub and her design that doesn't really support that either. She could be some random powerful demon and it wouldn't change a thing. There is so little that makes her stand out. Also her being Tex's GF makes this world feel far too small and kills it's potential. Also creates inconsistencies because Ozzie and Stolas are shit on for dating imps when Hounds are as low as Imps in hierarchy (if not lower). It really feels like initially it was NOT meant to be Beelzebub.
>The problem though is that there is little to no reason for her to be Beelzebub and her design that doesn't really support that either. She could be some random powerful demon and it wouldn't change a thing. There is so little that makes her stand out.
Yeah....not that much of a fan either. If she transformed into some giant bug demon when she clapped back at Loona I think I wouldn't have a problem with her design.
>Also her being Tex's GF makes this world feel far too small and kills it's potential
Nah it's fine. If Tex was some rando then you would be right. But rubbing shoulders with Verosika Mayday, especially since Belz also seems to be a party animal like her makes it just plausible enough that Tex could legit have a chance at her. I do agree that she doesn't have to be Belz to do what she did this episode when it came to interacting with Loona specifically. There will be other episodes that'll definitely expand the world a bit. We've already had 2 episodes that go to different rings.
>Also creates inconsistencies because Ozzie and Stolas are shit on for dating imps when Hounds are as low as Imps in hierarchy (if not lower). It really feels like initially it was NOT meant to be Beelzebub.
I don't know enough lore to really dispute the hierarchy of
Helluva, but I don't remember Ozzie ever getting shit for dating Fizz, Stolas is another story though. It's possible that this only applies to HIS specific Goetia but let's be honest here, would it really be surprising to find out that people who live in hell are.............hypocrites? I do hope VIv addresses these lore questions some time soon though.
There is a teaser that shows a newspaper with Fizz and Ozzie being exposed and calling Ozzie a hypocrite. Also Tex being casually just Beel's boyfriend still feels forces. Overall this entire episode while not bad doesn't fit even Hell thing at all. It feels like animated episode of something like Zoophobia.
Oh. I don't normally stick around for those, but it seems like that episode will at least try to sort out this mess. I'll shit on Viv here because I do agree that it is a bit forced, but that's because that this is obviously Viv's gift to her self. So ironically gluttony is present in this episode after all!
Vivize really couldn't make a non furry bee based character, instead just adding extra limbs on a sparkle dog.
>tfw no actual big titty bug gf that traps people during parties after they exceed the capabilities of their health
>proceeds to use their still warm flesh as breeding grounds for eggs and feast on their remains
>the party of a second lifetime! quite literally, here, sign this waiver
also the color palette gave me cancer
Okay. Based redesign. Should have been a bug wife.
Cringe-ass sparkledog but I'd be lying if I said I won't be gooning to the r34 of her
If she wasn't suppose to be Beelzebub my opinion of her would be better. THIS is fricking Ba'al-Zebub? At least Asmodeus was somewhat accurate.
Kinda disappointed on the design. I've also had ideas for beelzebub as a mix of fly and cerberus to reflect both visions of gluttony (dante's inferno and traditional pagan baals), but this kesha beelze kinda falls flat for me. I would have even taken a triple body entity like helltaker's cerberus if they didn't want a stereotypical 3-headed hellhound thing (design's already kinda busy with the multiple limbs and all the colors), but episode seemed way too short and way too fast as usual, I could imagine the time you need to present such a triple entity character would conflict with the rest of the thing, but on the other hand I think it could have helped loona's conflict with beelze being a "multi-faced b***h" or something. Maybe kesha can't do more than one type of voice idk. Didn't like the song either.
Outside of that, she's really nothing as a character. Alpha party b***h, that's the extent of her deal. Also how does her honey harvesting system work? She gets all hellhounds to party really hard and they cum/vomit honey? And then she eats it as energy life force? Is there a royal jelly version?
>Also how does her honey harvesting system work? She gets all hellhounds to party really hard and they cum/vomit honey?
She doesn't harvest the honey, she just passively absorbs the energy and ~vibes~ from their consumption.
Ah I see
Fricking love the Kesha Bee character. Can't believe they got her to sing and be a VA, that's amazing.
Seems like there's definitely a recurring theme now, with these high ranking characters dating lower-born ones. Wonder why that is, all of the characters frok the 7 princes/princesses we've seen so far are dating imps or hellhounds.
Vivzie is a princess meghan shill
Thats why.
Is no one going to talk about this ordinary hellhound guy is dating and fricking Beelzebub?
>chad is dating a stacy
Truly inconceivable
he is a literal dog in the cannon social structure. vivzie is willing to sacrifice her own worldbuilding for a kesha cameo.
I never thought Vortex was that level of Gigachad.
What is he even doing taking bodyguard gigs then tho?
Don't care as long as he doesn't end with Loona
Doesn't surprise me that much honestly. Considering the connections that being with Verosika's crew can give ya.
Which begs the question, why is Stolas getting shit on for dating an imp? This show has plot holes everywhere.
>15 min of loona getting design-mogged by other girls
loonabros…
Just makes me love her even more.
BROKEN BIRD LEARN TO FLY AGAIN
Every single fricking character in this show is from Portland.
Holy sparkledogs, batman.
>Loona got fricked in this episode
Fricked over you mean because she got no dick
Man her ass is just hanging out
>static background imps
THAT'S IT? THAT'S THE LAST EPISODE? THAT'S WAS JUST A BUNCH OF LOONABAIT!
>What a ripoff.
>Got some catharsis for Blitz + Loona
>But now her wigging out against him in S2 makes even less sense
>Still no answers why the Stolas/Blitz relationship changed
People who said this episode would save Season 2 were blown up. Pic related remains painfully accurate
This episode however does fit in with the tone the show started as, there's some angst at the end but nothing too dramatic, it's more comedic.
That said it wasn't very funny either.
>it's more comedic
??? where?
I mean people who said that were ignoring Viv herself who said this wasn't a plot heavy episode ages ago.
The fact this was a good episode makes me think there shouldn't be any plot-heavy episodes, and the show should just be characters doing their thing. I didn't need any of the divorce crap or Moxxie's abusive backstory.
Frick you, i needed moxxies abusive backstory.
I just wish he had been some sort of royalty pet orphan or something and not an angel dust clone
See I'm fine with that stuff, like I dont have much issue with the Circus or Exes and Ohs beyond some gripes but overall don't feel their drastically different in quality to S1 episodes.
Where S2s really faltered is when it's tried to do this whole B or even C plot thing and they just end up undercutting the A plot. Striker episode was a great example of that I liked most of the A plot scenes, Stolas trolling Striker so he wouldnt get satisfaction out of the torture was a good moment for him. The fight scene was fun and well animatee but for some reason it had to be undercut repeatedly by cutaways to a pointless B-plot that could of just been a 20 second gag.
>muh AU slice of life hitman imps was taken from us!
It was never there. Literally the pilot was gay shit.
Blitzø was always going to frick the owl. 104 will always be the most jarring episode for having nothing to do with the REAL story other than injecting some heaven lore while HH was tied up.
the pilot was gay shit for 5 minutes and most of season 1 had nothing to do with it/was used as a plot device
>People who said this episode would save Season 2
How? When this episode was delayed, Viv literally said "uh this episode isn't that important and you can go to season 2 without watching this one and not missed out on anything". Dunno how the hell was this supposed to save anything.
>Still no answers why the Stolas/Blitz relationship changed
We already do, though, in that Blitz is a complete trainwreck incapable of communicating and opening up. We were left to assume that since s1e7 blitz simply pretended nothing happened that night, and s2e4 confirmed it through their text history.
I don't think people are going like Vortex in this, at least loonagays will have more reason to hate him
He really did nothing wrong in this ep unless you really wanna get hung up on his one line where he encouraged Loona to have a drink
He got turned from a chad to a pussywhipped fursona
Vortex is kill
So, between Ozzie’s and this, which worked better as a finale to season 1.
Ozzie's is much more of an actual finale. This is just kinda an epilogue.
>Loona episode
>Blows everything from season 2 out of the water
Wow, how unexpected. Turns out she does add something.
God that was the longest fricking Katy Perry music video I've ever had to sit through.
It just keeps going
Really underwhelming episode.
I want Thronebound Emps to terrorize the denizens of Vivz hell by being himself. I need him to roast everyone
What's up with all the powerful demons dating lower class imps/hellhounds?
Why did Ozzie's set up Stolas fricking Blitz as being a huge scandalous deal when everyone else is doing it?
I wonder if they'll do it for Mammon too.
Maybe its a deliberate form of protest over the status quo. It seems weird because Bee is also taking the form on a hellhound it seems.
One good thing about this episode is that Blitzo is a lot more tolerable than usual. Him being in a bad mood makes him a better character somehow.
Depression supresses emotions and blitz is pretty homosexual so he would always he improved by that level of being toned down.
loona (was) for chaz
Don't you dare, Loona is for wholesome hmofa
/hmofa/ is fricking too mainstream due to summergays and newbies.
HMOFA isn't mainstream at all. Come back when there's a major HMOFA movie.
There's no "Shape of Water" about a Victorian doctor finding a "wild woman" in a sideshow and trying to prove she's intelligent and then fricking her.
Thanks for proving my point homosexual.
>hmofa is mainstream
>there is no hmofa in the mainstream
>therefore i am right
Do you even know what words mean?
The point is that /hmofa/ has gotten too big - hell when I go there on /trash/ all I see is circlejerking and fricking Burzum. Be a real man, go to /adhg/.
Wait, so it's "mainstream" because of one thread on a semi-hidden board on a minor social media site?
Guys you're arguing in circles, give it up
/hmofa/ and it's consequences for all of Cinemaphile
no she's for the gigachaz
>it's a furrybait episode
The lyrics for cotton candy are like, really bad right? Even for a song that's probably supposed to be a parody of bad pop?
Post the lyrics
The lack of enunciation killed it for me.
>coddon candy
There is no way Kesha wasn't fricked up when she was recording her lines. She's slurring so much.
>be in hell
>throw a party in hell drugs and all
>Uh, yeah your dad is partying TOO hard come get him
>All he's doing is making out and drinking
>Can't even say "bitch" even though half the attendees are literal b***hes
What is this lame ass fricking party?
Yeah unfortunately this show's audience is the baby puritans on twitter so nobody on this show can have real flaws or vices
Man teenagers are so lame now
Which is funny because Bee literally tells Loona to drink it it and tear it the frick up. Only to go, wow your dad has "bad vibes" two minutes after Blitzo shows up.
All the Demon Princes have been shown to have less demonic alter appearances. I don't know why it's inconceivable that the Prince lording over the ring with the most hellhounds wouldn't want to appear as one, especially when hosting a huge party full of them.
>b***h is the N word for hellhounds
>wtf why is excessive displays of lust at a gluttony party frowned upon
Kesha dog calls Loona b***h multiple times.
She has the Bword pass.
Then Blitzo proceeds to call everyone b***hes too during the drinking contest. Is it offensive or isn't it?
I really don't think they thought it out
He also has a pass.
>autism speaks
Well shit that was quick
>15mins
LAZY HACK FRICK YOU LAZY LAZY HACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>WOMAN MANAGER
>TOPPEST OF KEKS
shitposting aside neat she released it "rather quickly" how many episodes is this season going to be 10 or 12?. Wow it might be finished by the end of the year. Then no more helluva boss, we'll be free FOREVER!
>They actually got Kesha
Viv may not be the best person, but she's a fricking madwoman
I have issue with Beel. She has no presence like Ozzie and could be just some powerful demon. Not Beel herself. And also Tex's gf. Makes the world feel too small.
>Ozzie is voiced by a theater actor who has been on Broadway
>Bee is voiced by a singer who has no acting experience let alone voice acting experience
Yeah not a surprise. We should speculate on who they'll recast for Bee.
It's not just the voice, but the design and the way she acts. It makes no sense that this Beelzebub and the whole episode fells like it belongs to Zoophobia and not a series about Hell. also this episode makes Seeing Stars Loona SO MUCH worse.
More likely she'll not Trapper, or?
I wonder if they are gently burning through all princes of hell in HB instead of saving at least one or two to interact with Lucifer in HH
The only one that doesn't feel foggy yet is Belphi in Sloth with Dreamville and drugging everyone
Imagine if this HAD actually come out right after E7 and they followed up the best song in the series with this crap.
Damn Loona just let the man get laid
>We almost got Loona sex with the chad wolf but Blitz wienerblocked her by getting drunk first
This would of been prevented if Loona didn't go after her dad and just let him be. Bee is a frickin b***h
Isn't he already with someone? Isn't that the whole thing wi-
Oh, nevermind. I guess monogamy is like "hetero supremacy" or some shit.
>Isn't he already with someone? Isn't that the whole thing wi-
The whole point of the previous episode is that they're clearly not together.
Why not making Blitzo a fricking outright homosexual instead of insisting he's bi?
I guess because they need him to be a sex god and that doesn't work if he's only gay
They're always showing him engaging sexually solely with men. Anything he does with women is just mentioned.
Vivzie is a coward and Blitzo is made for dick
Is Loona autistic?
As much as those characters are frickable
Loona's just a socially awkward loser who likes to hide it behind a tough facade.
Dennis's of Cinemaphile
are you upset?
anons of Cinemaphile would you frick a dennis?
This felt like a "please buy merch of this new sparkledog" episode. RIP Verosika.
>Vortex is dating one of the deadly sins but he's stuck doing grunt work for a succubus
Nani
beelzebub isn't one of the 7 deadly sins you theologically deficit moron
In this show it’s a title used by the ruler assigned to the circle/layer associated with the deadly sin
Not everyone want to live out of the hook of their sugar-momy...
So anons, was it worth it?
It should've been more Loona and less glorified Kesha cameo
don't worry guys, Loona ends up happy at the end
>I'm the demon lord of Gluttony
>My entire thing is people consuming to excess
>But this guy is drinking too much
>And for bad reasons
>So I'm not about that
For frick's sake.
It's not impossible that Kesha wanted that, since she's had substance abuse problems in the past. But then I have to wonder
>why did Kesha accept the role
or
>why did Vivzie write this sort of character for a singer she presumably admires
I am just shocked that one of the main three who fallen angels who betrayed God (Next to Satan and Lucifer) is probably the nicest character so far
It wasn't the too much drinking. It was because he was a Tasmanian devil tier wreck and it was killing the vibe.
this will not be acknowledged btw
Describe anything he did that the rest of the party was not also doing.
5 Tongues.
trauma dumping
Vivzie going back to her roots. This is the most Vivziefied character she's done for the show.
Also the song was shit.
She actually looks more tolerable with this palette and then she just turns into rainbow-colored vomit
Viv hasn't learnt anything
Oh gods why did she go with the Zoophobia look for
Belzebub is the one on the Left?
Fricking helltaker did that shit better.
>human with horns
let’s not get ahead of ourselves here
No no, he's right, Beezlebub's true form in Helltaker utterly mogs every "demon" Viv has ever drawn in either show.
This. But Helltaker is a whole different animal anyways. It's like comparing a five years old crayon drawing with renaissance art.
>helltaker
>renaissance art
yes because copy pasting the same girl model 10 times sure is better than this shit viv calls a show lol
At least the girl model looks good
You just need to replace to blue with some shade of red, yellow, white or black.
Literally
and she looks marginally better
>ruining the trans pride colors
She looks like that one pokeman when orange
So based on what was in the Discord messages yesterday, that the episode was "wrapped up in a lot of legal red tape regarding desires of a cast member" - I thought that meant Kesha just didn't want her song in it. I didn't realize she'd be voicing a character AND having an original song in it.
So what the frick happened to cause this? Kesha didn't like the final product? It reminds her too much of the persona Dr. Luke made her have? She just hates Viv?
And Viv and co sure didn't tag Kesha anywhere so it's definitely true.
Maybe she only realized afterwards that get character was a furry.
Do we know if she even knew about the design?
>moronic fanfiction
It def feels like the character was portraying the thing that Kesha didn't like about herself, the one that Luke made and she didn't want anything to do with it.
Which is really odd when it's clear that Kesha is a big inspiration for Viv? You would think she would know about everything that was happening with her and just take a step back to try and find someone else to do it. But instead she just went "Frick it, I don't care about your trauma." and made the character anyway.
When it comes to drama and trauma it seems like Viv only cares about her own characters.
This made me feel stupid for saying the s2e4 was good. This wasn't perfect, but it had touches of actual quality. The way Loona starts to understand and emphasize with Blitz was actually pretty well done. They are both broken wrecks for very similar reasons, so it makes sense that they would find common ground eventually. That scene at the end was one of the best emotional moments the show has ever attempted and seeing them manage actual character progression like this makes me really miss the season one days. Season one really was a whole different animal. I wonder what changed behind the scenes...
Seeing Stars because of this episode is also a dumpster fire now with Loona and stuff between Stolas and Blitzo.
I continue to hate every single one of these characters. Could you imagine having to spend even 10 minutes with any of these cretins?
Mox and Season 1 Loona are cool
I deal with Loona every day, fricking kill me Anon.
Cute imp
What's her name Anons?
Fibee
What happened to her arm
Did she get injured in the background of a different episode
She stroke my dick way too fast
Imps always look varied and cute, meanwhile most special characters are an embarrassment
It's probably because imps are recolored humans.
Everything that isn't a human actually needs a single moment of thinking about what you are doing with the design
So is 90% of the background cast just fursonas of the crew and their family or something?
Most of the background characters are just basically just the animation and board teaming having fun yeah. Would be a crazy amount of work for the design team to do sheets for every background character.
we were told not to expect much in this episode, and yet the turboautists with hateboners still bemoan and b***h about it
tells you all you need to know
>we were told not to expect much in this episode
Anon, it was hyped up a lot before and during the delays.
No one's b***hing about lack of plot, we're b***hing because it looks and sounds bad.
I thought the mean girl Hellhounds were pretty funny.
Copy pasting this from last thread
Blitzo beat Beelzebub at a drinking contest
I REPEAT, BLITZO BEAT THE FRICKING QUEEN OF GLUTTONY IN A DRINKING CONTEST
What a Gary Stu.
And I will copy mine
Never. EVER make your writer an actor.
>Cotton Candy wasn't even sung by Kesha
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT WAS THE POINT THEN????
Why do you think there was a delay on the episode based on legality?
Wait what? I thought she was the singer and voice actor for queen bee
you won't get to hear it unless someone leaks the original version of the episode
>Kesha episode
someone make a gif loop of this like they did for the brian vomit one
When Bee gets mad at Loona and she starts to transform she actually starts to look more like a bee, so there's that. I wonder if she can shapeshift and the hellhound form is just to make tings easier for her and Vortez.
Are they gonna dyke the doggie?
every character is bi until stated otherwise
those are lesbian pride colors, anon. She's a dyke.
>Hell is supposed to a very classist society
>Hellhounds, alongside imps, are meant to be as the absolute bottom of society and have it the worse
>One of the Seven Deadly Sins is a fricking Hellhound, who’s also fricking a different hellhound casually
So, is the whole “demon hierarchy” just bs now, because if that’s the case, I hate Stolas conflict with Blitzo even more
No, no. Anon you don't get it. She's not a hellhound she's a uh, BEEHound. It's different because she makes bug noises and buzzes sometimes. It's okay don't think too much about it.
Viv fricking sucks at world building and consistency, HH is probably going to suffer the same thing too.
Oh no, no, no, it's going to be MUCH worse because Hazbin will have to be reliant on the worldbuilding.
It hurts, because maybe I was just a dumb teen at the time, but Hazbin Hotel's intialy worldbuilding premise seemed pretty interesting at the time when you ignored all the stupid designs.
Before the rings and deadly sins and shit, Viv's hell just looked like an anarchist shit hole where the bad people of the world were sent to torture each other by fighting over an overpopulated mess, and you had to be tough to survive, since you could either die in the yearly extermination, be at the wrong place during a turf war, or just get killed for walking into the wrong butcher shop.
Now that the lore is all autistic now and contradictory, there's really no reason to be excited for Hazbin.
I cannot believe VivziePop sparkledogged Beelzebub. I mean yes I can but lmao.
I physically rolled my eyes when she came out of the silhouette and was yet another of Vivzie's incoherent neon abominations
was expecting something like pic related
Viv only likes furry characters, not insectoid.
Did this season finale answer or justify EVERYTHING that came in Season 2?
No, it was just Viv flexing that she'd manage to pull her favorite pop singer into her web-series from what I can parse from it.
Is she ever going to get Weird Al on the show?
Hopefully not, she doesn’t deserve him and he doesn’t deserve to have this on his career
>inb4 she manages to get him to voice Lucifer.
I just wanna say, watching this show feels like reading kengan omega, if you know you know.
All the seven deadly sins introductions were super lame so far, I don't expected anything from Lucifer in HH now.
Rundown? What is this kesha and why did it create a delay?
>This reminds me of when I saw Satan with his shirt off
Please let this be the "Satan and Lucifer are two separate beings" version. Otherwise how is that b***h salivating over Viv's twinkish ass version of Satan?
>This reminds me of when I saw Satan with his shirt off.
I thought the line was
>This reminds me of when I saw Satan with my shirt off
All demons have badass demonic forms
Just assume she saw him bare-chested in his demonic form
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that Satan and Lucifer are two different people in this universe
How is Beelzebub not a fly but a bee/wolf hybrid? Did she see Bee and thought
>Oh yeah BEElzebub is actually a bee
The bee thing would be fine enough but the wolf i dont get
Viv just likes wolves I think. But my question is, was the character always intended to be Beelzebub or did she just see BEE and then go nuts with the concept?
Yeah she def went with a bee theme because she couldn't make flies cute/sexy and fit the aesthetic of the show. Bee might also be a shapeshifter.
So Loona has friends now. Maybe that's why she doesn't talk anymore, she's trying fit in more with the new friend group she made by not talking.
They had barely any screen time so I found it weird they want to keep in touch
I like it, it was fun.
idk, I kinda wished Tex’s gf was that fat old hellhound lady with the saggy breasts
>idk, I kinda wished Tex’s gf was that fat old hellhound lady with the saggy breasts
Granny fricker spotted.
>Granny fricker
No
>Anthro Granny fricker
Perhaps
Alright Chris-Chan please fricking stop.
>go through legal and probably budget hell to get a singer you like to work on your show
>you can't even get her to sing, all she does is deliver a sub-par song and voice acting and you're just going to have to recast the character anyway
>she also supposedly doesn't want her name on the project
Vivzie's gotta stop doing this
Kinda love that one of Viv's idols caused so many problems for her and doesn't even want to be associated with it. That must sting that Kesha isn't sucking up to her. At least all the Z-list Broadway people she got for HH suck her ass.
Fingers crossed that Weird Al refused to be in HH too.
That was in it, maybe they changed the storyboard or something but that scene was there.
It feels like something at the beginning of the episode is missing though.
>Beelzebub: GLUTTONY? At one of MY parties, I think not!
As she shoves a giant spiked wienertail down another Hellhound's throat.
Yeah I agree, it starts really abruptly.
So Stolas and Blitzo act like nothing happened in S2E2 for no reason? I thought they were gonna address it at least a little bit in this episode...
>So Stolas and Blitzo act like nothing happened in S2E2
Yes. That's just the kind of person Blitz is, and the reason why their relationship is completely dysfunctional.
>stolas acting like a girl
gays aren't women shitsiepop!
Hot damn, artists are quick.
Vivzie actually shares some designs in advanced to some of her inner circle so that they'll have art ready to be posted with he episode
Ok that makes sense
Don't forget the animators who probably broke the contract in secret telling their relatives or friends about it.
I like their designs tbh.
Ozzie actually feels like a ruler from hell, Bee just feels like another random character from helluva boss
I bet this was not meant to be Beelzebub at first. She just doesn't have a presence one of Seven Deadly Sins should have.
Yeah in a Picasso kind of way, maybe.
>oh no, this guy is partying too hard at my hell party
>oh no that random moron that showed up is annoying all my other guests
>annoying all other guests
>shown Bitz just tongued with one dude
>another guy pulls Blitz to him after he says he would rather frick a Alejandro
Disgusting imps, a very clear minority at the party.
>Season 1 ends on a cliffhanger thanks to missing episode
>Season 2 goes balls deep on the dumb romance plot
>Missing episode does nothing to explain why it went from "You know what this is" to moronic flirting
God Viv is such a hack
>dedicates half the episode to a probably the worst musical number yet
>The other half is just a middle schooler's idea of a party
>Five seconds of le emotional sad Blitzo
Yawn/10. The Alejandro joke was funny, though.
Still can't defeat the sexier version.
>Beezlebub: you mean, someone was being gluttonous, at my party… in the gluttony ring of hell?
Ricecooker man
I think someone heard "gluttony" and replaced it in their mind with "hedonism" because absolutely nothing about that party felt like gluttony.
>There's a rainbow in my vegana
I laughed
comedy gold
give her an award
That joke was really awkward. It didn't feel complete like she misread the line or something.
That's, like, half of line deliveries in HH/ Helluva. It's like they got their actors recording their lines separately at home with little to no context or direction- Oh wait.
Couldn't this be solved by giving the VA's guide deliveries, even if they're not performed well?
Yes, but I don't think anyone on the team is experienced enough to have thought of this. I'm actually amazed the actual actors who show up don't make a stink about how badly organized the voice acting part of the show is.
>but I don't think anyone on the team is experienced enough to have thought of this.
But I just did by thinking about it for 10 seconds.
>implying anyone in Spindlehorse thinks
Ok now that we've seen Beelzebub "Lord of the Flies" turned into Kesha's fursona what do you think Leviathan and Belphegor are going to look like?
Leviathan isn't a demon and Belphegor is just going to be the Hulk i bet.
Is Leviathan not one of the princes of hell?
Are there 2 Leviathans?
leviathans is just two sparkle dogs standing on eatch other wearing a trench coat
>Vivziepop is accurate with the source
nah just a sea monster god slayed
I hope Belphi doesn't appear in person at all and keeps being hinted at with drugs all through HB and HH.
Then if HH ever gets a grand finale I want a banquet with all princes of hell that turns into a battle royal for plot reasons except one after another drops like a fly only for Belphegor to explain that he drugged everyone's drinks and food because it's too much of a hassel to deal with.
Like Deviantart OCs
Don’t let the sparkle dogs distract you from the fact that Hazbin STILL doesn’t have a network
Is Hazbin even going to make a mainstream impact?
Or is A24 trying to hope nobody notices
probably should not have made that summer announcement then
Unless they’re going for a shadow drop, there’s no read for us to have barely any information on a release at this point
Legit put it on [AS].
After last year I don’t think any indie animator wants to touch WB with a 10 foot pole
I feel like Vivzie could take some inspiration of warhammer, the ring of gluttony and lust should look like something coming from emperor's children or slaaneshs parties
>Warhammer
Bleeech
either that or it shouldve been this industrial meat grinder shithole factory. I know Viv is too coward for it, but in my heart of hearts I was hoping to see scenes outta Dead Sky, Black Sun with Khalan-Gols factories and giant bloated devils being forcefed slop and getting harvested with cattle guns or some shit. Its sad knowing that no one will ever be based enough to show Eidolon or the Kakophani having a REAL party
Yknow after reading that one Ian Watson story where the emperors children break into a harem and “have fun” maybe she didn’t need to. Although that was a raid and not one of their usual parties so..
>morons arguing for a biblically accurate hell in a fricking cartoon
just
why
That would be better than Helluva season 2 tho.
unironically autism
ikr?
I don't think anyone was expecting Vivzie to be accurate with a demon associated with flies but nobody expected her to hand us a dog that looks like Kesha threw up on it and say it was Beelzebub.
>it has to be literally the thing!
anon please.. I'm not a certified tard wrangler
just don't watch it
>it has to be literally the thing!
I didn't say that you waste of genetic material
Biblical lore is badass my man. We got sea monsters, we got ghosts, boxes that kill people and bring down walls.
Because this isnt hell. Its Los Angeles with a filter. We could have kino. We could have breathtaking, mind boggling masterpiece renaissance art, giger-esque scenes. Instead we have nightclub 1, nightclub 2, new orleans looking street, etc
And a normal looking minivan
>what of hell was just LA
i always thought the opposite was true
isn't there basically no real description of hell in the actual bible beyond "it's a lake of fire" anyway
pretty much everything people associate with hell comes from either other religions or fanfics like the divine comedy
this episode is literally "imagine the smell"
>Party where everyone is eating all the time
Disgusting.
Yeah, what kind of disgusting person only goes to parties to eat for free ha ha
>Meta Runner S1 finale
MD-5’s plan goes to hell, Masa gets his arm blown off, Theo gets captured, Lucinia was Sofia’s sister the whole time (and is possibly still alive maybe), Tari surrenders herself to Lucks, but there’s still a glimmer of hope because Belle decides not to turn over Sofia’s backup phone to Lucks
>Helluva Boss S1 finale
Kesha am I right
Let me remind you MR S1 was made by people who never attempted an animated show before
>Meta Runner
Who. Don't clarify btw I'm not gonna watch.
Glitch, the Murder Drones people
So why the frick are we running episodes out of order now? Can't really blame the network on this one. It's because Vivzie wanted to obsess over that stupid fricking scene pop furry AMV shit, isn't it? Honestly skipped through most of that.
See
If she's TRANS where's her 12 foot horse wiener?? Why didn't they animate it?? That's what I demand.
She keeps it retracted inside her body until she needs to use it.
Wait why was that deleted? Jannies?
anyway, show me on the sparkle dog where it's a trans. I'll wait.
it was off topic
her colors are the trans pride colors. thats where.
Built for petting, patting and scratching
GOOD GIRLS GET BELLY RUBS
>voxflix
>vox
>from HH
there it is
the whole reason for the delay
That one hellhound who showed interest in Loona was cute
>the goetia nobility treats imps (and probably hellhounds too) like shit since they are the lower caste of hell
>but the Sins who are the lords of hell don't and can have relationships with them (azmo and beel)
I genuinely don't get this, you'd think that the beings behind Lucifer in the hierarchy would treat them far worse.
It's there to make Stolas and Blitzo relationship seem tragic or some shit.
stolas's story is being modeled after being gay in an extremely christian family
you know how people make fun of those types of families and point out how it's not "true christian values" to hate any group of people?
that's the parallels being drawn here
https://files.catbox.moe/vcr5ko.PNG
Good for you, i guess.
Who was in the wrong here?
Bee in this instance for throwing a lame ass party.
Loona was just an annoying teenage b***h this episode
So she’s in character, lets go
>Woah girl, your dad's acting a little too intense for our high school teen LARPing party, you need to go
Loona's right for standing her ground. It's hilarious how tame the party was for being hosted by THE queen of Gluttony. Compared to the Lust ring and getting kicked out of clubs for NOT being about wanton desire.
they didnt kick him out for being too intense they complemented him for drinking everyone under the table and being a massive homosexual with other imps. they kicked him out because he was being a buzzkill for offloading his baggage with owl boy and lust ring in the middle of their party.
Did they ever show that?
Bee outright says it when they confronted loona about it. his mood was affecting the rest of the party. she has no problem with people being over indulgent she was drowning people in liquor 5 minutes ago.
Show don't tell, none of the scenes with Blitzo at the party show this at all, everyone's pretty chill with him being there.
The audience for watching
Vivzie for not putting her in that form from the start
Ozzie's gripes with Millie and Moxxie at least made sense in his episode. They were literally killing the mood of the club which was lust.
Bee gripe with Blitzo makes any sense. What he was enjoying hiself TOO much for her liking? Was she going to run out of Bee juice or some shit?
Yes she was gonna run out of bee juice.
You do raise an interesting point maybe she was running out of bee juice
Gluttony is about enjoying in excess but blitzo wasnt enjoying.
Also he didnt get all the bee juice in his mouth
Waste is bad
Waste is for Sloth
Maybe the bee juice factory was shut down and they didn't have enough
The trans kesha produces bee juice from her honey-NUTS
wtf i love hell now
>uh-oh there was a factory mixup
>we accidentally mixed up the hell factory with the sparkledog factory
>now our fortune cookies absorb up to 2 pints of human cum
>damn you blitz-o, how many times am i going to have to clean up your messes
gold
>accidentally watch in 240p
>why does this look like shit
>fix it
Everything looks the same..
why does it feel more and more american compared to the start of the season...
Really? Where was the part where blitzø shota an AK 47 into the ceiling after chugging 50 Wally Burgers?
>blitzø shota
pls no we already have too much r34
It was a typo you freak.
Pedos get their souls shredded, vivzie confirms
We need shota Blitzo being drain-fricked by adult Verosika.
Shut up Vee
Viv would ask for diapershit, anon
Im not talking about Viv, Vee is a different person, (she’s the one who made the MvTM child porn)
That was crap. What the hell was the point? And who was the bee b***h and why are we supposed to care about her?
she is one of the seven deadly sins but just like rwby and other shit shows, you have to check the creator's twitter and reddit answers to know what the frick is going on
You think there'll be an episode where they meet Loona's real father/mother and they turn out to be evil?
No, her real parent were killed unknowingly by blitzo.
He just ran them over like the dogs they are
>hellhound parties and culture is brown nosing and eating (figurative here) shit
Haha
Cuz they're dogs :^)
Well, damn, it's really her, not just an "homage"...
That was... Ehhh. Probably between passable and good.
Was it a massive step up? No. Did have the usual trappings of the punchline being excessive swearing or hornyness? Yes. Was it worth the the one and and half year delay? It sure was hell wasn't!
So wait Loona and Tex aren’t friends anymore or…?
I thought keishas character was nice.
She's her only friend but is dating Kesha and she's probably jealous of her. I can't imagine why else she'd be that uncomfortable around her.
There's this weird fade to black in the middle of the episode for no reason
So I guess the B in Queen B stands for bigot. Because she her idea of Blitzo harshing the vibe was him kissing some dudes and that was it.
I guess it's because he was partying hard to lash out after a shitty night, but with the amount of people in that party I doubt he's the only loser there in that situation.
Another episode without an assassin plot, great
I'll watch it if it isn't another sappy episode about these murder demons from hell talking about their feelings. Is it or did it finally remember what show it was?
Funnily enough it is very much that (the sappy feeling fest I mean).
last 4 minutes is exactly what you are afraid of
So that's like what. The entire second half of this season 1? Man I think it's so cool that Vivzie pulled this off. It's great to see it but as an actual show to watch it's like the people making it have that tumblr thing of loving their heckin chungus perfect beans so much and making just talk about the precious feelings to each other etc. It's so innapropriate. What do they all have an inpromptu therapy session and then blow off another babys head with a shotgun?
What the frick are you saying
He drank too much beelzebub honey
Btw I headcanon it as completely normal mundane honey that makes devils, imps and hellhounds incredibly drunk for some reason
I'm saying why are all the murderous demons from hell being weepy and talking about their feeling every episode?
90% of the characters in this show have daddy/mommy issues, enough said.
Follow up. Why isn't it a gag?
They have poor media literacy and want them to go back to killing people like in the pilot. Which I agree with but only if it's a DHORKS episode
They can do anything but it's fricking bizzare to try to make people love these heckin chongo beans who are murders for hire. That's the premise of the show. If they're all sitting around therapying at each other you'd think it would be a gag and not an attempt at a heartfelt moment. Somehow it's practically become the formula at this point.
What are some examples of actual evil protagonists? Some anon mentioned Honsou from 40k earlier although I think that is waaay to far
I don't know tbh.
SURELY Cinemaphile knows of blatantly evil protagonists that aren’t Honsou
This must be a dream come true for Vivziepop.
I remember her early Sparkledog Kesha days. Tens years later and she’s still holding on.
When are we gonna get an actual episode instead of more side plot?
>gluttony ring
>everyones skinny
>hell
>are you sure?
What are all these hellborn even for? They don't seem to torture anyone but each other.
Why are they standing this way
Digitigrade animals.
Another diva character, don’t we already have Verosika?
>There are people ITT who unironically believe the cherub episode was the best one
Had the best costumes for sure. Outside of Ozzies that is
someone get this dog woman away from this white girl hell for the love of god normalgays are horrible.
Why are there no racist people in this hell show? Is there a racism ring where all the racist people go to
????????
Did you miss like every Goetia scene in this show? Especially with bird b***h or hell even Striker with his Uncle Ruckus ass.
I want to hear blitzo say Black person
Imagine if he did it in front of Tex's and Bel's face?
I think she's hot.
when she doesn't have that ugly blue shit on her, she's fine
she is but she could be hotter as a bug.
die thread
Honestly I don't blame Viv for making everyone look skinny. She knows the fandom will MORE than make up for it.
>this episode is going to spawn alot of bbw art with all the force-feeding Beel does
The M > F troon Imp will get love and this F > M troon Imp will go into obscurity even though having actual voice lines
Anyone feels that this series has watered down since the first episode, it started very edgy and has become softer and more pg with the time
>anon uses internet explorer
Bump limit in 4 hours, Cinemaphile are truly vivzies biggest fans
The song mentioned cotton candy so many times that I thought it should have relevance, but I knew it wouldn't.
Shit song, came in far too early in the episode, mediocre episode, I feel as though nothing happened. Maybe I'd feel a little different if I had seen the episodes in order, but I doubt it.
This episode just ruins whatever grasp of Hell politics we have. Beel is suppose to be one of the head honchos, the very top of the demonic order bar Lucifer himself. Yet she is basically some drunk eccentric sorority girl who seems to only spend time preparing parties, and the fact her bf is a hellhound, on the very bottom of the order raises more questions since it seems perfectly ok. I guess maybe its ok since she is like the queen of the hellhounds or some shit like satan is king of the imps or since she is at the very top she can be with whoever she wants
Ozzy owing a gentleman's club with strippers and shit makes sense since he the Prince of Lust and his relationship with Fizz is hidden under Fizz just being his servant. He has some sense of profession and noble aura to him, the kind an almighty demon like him should
Also that reminds me, there is way too much overlap between Ozzy and Beel. Beel just seems like an inferior Ozzy
>This episode just ruins whatever grasp of Hell politics we have. Beel is suppose to be one of the head honchos, the very top of the demonic order bar Lucifer himself. Yet she is basically some drunk eccentric sorority girl who seems to only spend time preparing parties
Hey if one of the most powerful demon in hell want to throw a frat party, she will throw a frat party and no one will argue with it What's the point of having so much power if you can not pull out shit like that?
Up to that point it's understandable, it's the same as Ozzy though less cool. For me the issue is that she's dating a bottom feeder and nobody blinks an eye.
>For me the issue is that she's dating a bottom feeder and nobody blinks an eye
An other perk of being a top-boss is that you can date whoever you want and no one is allowed to blink an eye.
That's not what I mean. Loona finds out during the episode and all we get as a reaction is that she's heartbroken because her crush has a girlfriend. No reaction whatsoever to said girlfriend being a ruler of hell.
It's clearly not a case of nobody daring to say anything because of their authority, it's that nobody gives a frick plain and simple. Loona herself gets snappy and starts b***hing at Bee no problem, I at least can't feel the supposed authority.
Because there's no reason for the show to have taken place in hell other than Viv really likes colouring things in red. Bee might as well have just been a human celeb for how she's acting.
Actually, it help a lot with the killing, the gore and the extra consumption of alcohol, drug and gross display of sexual behavior. Not to mention all the weirdo creatures. And it all get a pass because LoL, it's hell. Hell as a setting means there is a lot more forgiveness for your lack of restrain.
>It's clearly not a case of nobody daring to say anything because of their authority, it's that nobody gives a frick plain and simple
She just know she can't compete.
Would that not be a flaw? A weakness? A chink in the armour of this “top-boss” that would be eagerly exploited by the many aspiring rivals and challengers who wish to dethrone and usurp her?
What if you are powerful enough that even that wouldn't be a weakness. What you are talking about is for people who only have the illusion of power and need to maintain it. What if it's someone with REAL power.
He's black so his hell dick is Hella big
Loona constantly being portrayed as nothing more but an unlikable furry bait is really funny. Bee is concerned about her dad and she lashes out? What the frick is her actual problem.