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Help me out Cinemaphilekino enjoyers. Is this worth a watch or not worth the time and brain cells?
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It's slop. Read the book, Black person.
Thanks fellas. Will skip it.
>read CCP propaganda
I'd rather not
>read CCP propaganda
The show is obviously bad because its netflix but this is the lowest IQ take you can have.
It's not even CCP propaganda, you obviously haven't read shit.
The triosolarians are the US, the sophons are Japan and South Korea, China is China
This is beyond moronic, you just weren't built for scifi go watch marvel or something.
The book is soft justification for the cultural revolution and asserts that more people should’ve been genocided.
It isn't justification for cultural revolution even the ccp knows that was a major frickup. Do you even know what you are talking about? Did you read the books? Obviously not.
the daughter of someone killed during the cultural revolution dooms humanity
That isn't the only reason she sends the message.
It’s the main one.
Nope she blames humanity as a whole that's the entire point of the book she got and evans character.
Should I jump directly to book 2?
I already watched the first season
No
Frick you. I do it anyway
Technically you can. They skip some detail, but it's generally not too important. The series covers the first book quite well in terms of main important plot points.
Do know however that some of the characters in the series are not the book ones by name, but are the same character. Luo Ji for example is a chinese schizo loser with some scientific background, but in the series he's the black guy Saul.
You'll notice it when you recognize the plot but not the character being at the center of it. The plot is generally unchanged, so it'll just ring bells when you start the second book.
You'll be reasonably confused but I think it's do-able. Not much from book 1 really carries forward, all you're missing out on is how based Da Shi is, but he's not a major character in the second book anyway.
no, the netflix show is moronic and the book is better and explains more
Read the book.
If you must, unironically go watch the Chinese adaptation (the live action one). It follows the books without skipping anything iirc.
It's 100 times better than the netflix frickup
Any news on a Book 2 adaption from the chinese?
Coming out in 2026, 50 hours long. Season 1 was 30 I think.
This.
Chink series skips plenty of the chinky no-no touchy subjects. That's where the israeliteflix series at leasts succeeds in.
Like what? It doesn't skip anything of the cultural revolution era. What are you on about?
Cultural revolution era is severely dumbed down. In the tencent version, her struggle was more about not being taken seriously as a woman. There is also no pay-off with her father's murderers. Her pressing the button regardless of warning was painted as a dumb action. Better explained in the netflix version, although the scenes themselves were more rushed and clumsy.
In what form though? Parts of the book are like that ocassional copy-paste that anons post directed to Chinese, like "Tiananmen square, winny the pooh" etc. Maybe it's regarded as not so bad in book-form, or maybe it had its content altered.
>Muh woman in the Chinese version
You are quite literally making shit up.
While shilling the Netflix version
>maybe it had its content altered
It didn't and you are an idiot
t. girlfriend is taiwanese and read these books in the original language
Still doesn't change the fact that tencent pussied out which is the main point of discontent. You are an idiot yourself for scoffing that aside. The chink version isn't the end all be all rendition of TBP. Both versions omit something that the other has, but each of them have their own flaws.
It’s funny because pussying out on the cultural revolution lynching means weiji’s motivation is “death is better than China.”
You realize the book is sold in china, yes?
>Chink series skips plenty of the chinky no-no touchy subjects. That's where the israeliteflix series at leasts succeeds in.
It literally only skips the violent struggle session at the start of the book, and when the person interrogating Ye before she goes to Red Base throws a bucket of cold water over her.
That's literally the only two parts it skipped.
>It literally only skips the violent struggle session at the start of the book
It literally only skips the main motivator for the main character to betray the humanity.
No, it mentions it. It just doesn't show it.
And the struggle session was not the main motivator.
Her betrayal at the logging camp is far more relevant to her character than that. Not that you would know since you didn't read the book or watched the series.
But hey at least you read the Wikipedia synopsis right?
You sound extremely stupid if you claim you read the books.
Get fricked, I've consoomed them all because I like the story. Tencent version pussied out. israeliteflix came out half-baked, but still did a solid effort. Book does it best.
It’s funny because “living in Soviet China” was enough justification for me.
>the main motivator for the main character to betray the humanity.
lol brainlet.
You're a fricking moron
Explains yourselves then. The betrayal with the logging camp and the letter isn't nearly as substantial as the struggle session
>she murdered her own husband, but that's somehow not substantial...
She didn't just hate all of humanity because muh commies. It was her own mother and sister that betrayed her family. Then at the logging camp she saw how humans also destroyed all living things, read Silent Spring, then she was betrayed by her lover, then she got to the base, then she was betrayed again, then she killed some people, after which she realized all humans, even herself, are complete trash.
The idea that she doomed humanity just because some commies beat her dad to death is fricking moronic, but that's exactly what this netflix slop wants you moronic americans to think.
>The betrayal with the logging camp and the letter isn't nearly as substantial as the struggle session
It's more substantial, what the frick are you on about? She opens up an inch, and the commies frick her even harder for it. Ye is betrayed at every turn by the hell of living in China, the struggle session is just the moment she went from a clueless child to living in reality.
I would add that while it skips the struggle session it does reference even the girls that tortured Ye's father.
It does feel like the skip is more related to "no violence" allowed more than save facing the culture revolution.
Even the boat getting cut at the end of the Chinese live adaptation is very light on explicit graphic images.
season 1 is setup for more, it covers entire book 1 and more to come, just watch this video
>it covers entire book 1
lol if you consider a bullet point summary "covering it"
>watch this shitty review
No
>he doesnt know quinns
>he takes all his opinions from youtubers
you are a zoomer bug and deserve to be flattened
by your big towsies? uguuu :3 I'm very very in feetsie playy~~
pure melodramatic garbage, with cgi backgrounds and landscapes
the cgi backgrounds cant be worse than the avatar live action.. can it?
it's serviceable
thoroughly israeli offering
Watch the chinese version...
Is it a meme? Chinese movies tend to be even worse propaganda than the US movies.
Don't it's so fricking bad, the only reason you would watch a tv show of the book is that it edits out the shit bits and provides good visuals. The Chinese version does none of that.
The rule of thumb is, if Netflix released it, then it's pretty much guaranteed to be woke shit just like Disney.
avoid pig disgusting american slop
watch chinese kino
the cast is too diverse for me
you never see this shit in real life
in the first episode one of the first scene is this guy trying to approach the two scientists girls and they turn him down by saying scientific buzzwords.
It's really cringe. Then it's followed by the two women scientists being worried about what is going on, with one of them telling the other that she went through all the lines of code and they're a "fricking lot".
I want to know who the hell writes this crap and why do they think it sounds good?
How can something so shitty even be written?
bleh. thanks for helping me dodge a bullet.
if you have to ask, it is not
yeah it's shit.
In real life if you went to visit the CERN hadron collider I doubt you would find that it's run by a bunch of latina supermodels fricking a bunch of black guys, but for some reason this is what the writers of this show want you to believe
>latina supermodels fricking a bunch of black guys
Looks kino
>noooooo only white people and chinese people are smart nooooooooooooo
It's a tv show about aliums, lmao, let it go.
They'd also have the decency to not contaminate a huge tank of ultrapure water with your bloated corpse.
And if your particles look like they collide with something they dont say that physics is broken, they look for what they collided with.
I was laughing so hard when the black nerd was sad about missing his chance to leave his mark on science and contribute something great to the world and the one chick is trying to cheer him up telling him he's not too old yet and he's so brilliant he's going to make a significant discovery and then she just walks of and kills her self lmao
Just thinking about is making lol again.
and he says that with a quote, just after a scene with another quote. Because it's important for them to quote so the audience know these people are smart, they quote.
Personally, I turned it off about 5 minutes in.
Two things did it for me, first was the junior cop saying something like 'Bookies gave him the best odds to win a nobel prize'. Felt like brainlet exposition and a really pathetic way to show the dead guy was SMART.
Second thing was when the main detective had a shocked reaction to seeing the guy had his eyes gouged out. The only reason it was shocking is because the lighting was dogshit - I feel like the cops would have turned the lights on high to make their job of searching the apartment easier. Additionally, I feel like he would have been briefed before entering the flat. Felt contrived to create a shocking scene, when the visual is shocking enough. It doesn't also need to surprise the detective.
Whole scene felt like a first draft with placeholder dialogue - I'm glad I turned it off.
It was so boring that I couldn't finish episode 2.
Non-Stormer Review Here:
It's pretty great. They're done with 1/3 of the first book by end of episode 1, and they're done with the whole of the first book by episode 6.
They also cover the plot of both Book 2 and Book 3, and focus the entire narrative on the actual protagonist Cheng Xin (who is the protagonist of Book 3), instead of Ye Wenjie, who is the protagonist of Book 1 but does not really matter for 2 and 3.
As I said, pretty great work by the DABID DUO, didn't think they'd nail it, but they did.
Ah shit, I was hoping this show would only cover the first book. I finished first book in the trilogy recently should I just order the last 2 books before watching the show?
Book 2 is arguably the best of the 3, but that is slightly hard to argue because Book 3 is a masterpiece that just does not stop.
Book 1 is actually shit by comparison, especially when you get to the end, but it's a necessary evil, so you'll still appreciate it.
I personally found book 1 to be fantastic. The ending was so creative and interesting, absolutely like nothing I've ever read before. (That particle they sent in space). I'll definitely love 2 & 3 if what you say is true
It is, but by comparison to 2 and 3, it is just far inferior, partly because of the writing. Cixin Liu evolves as a writer, and it's REALLY noticable, especially when he gets to the 3rd one and starts swinging left and right.
He's a way better writer by the third one, and masters a whole bunch of narrative concepts, such as frame narratives, etc. to deliver a fantastic story.
>Book 3 is a masterpiece that just does not stop
Book 3 is full blown moronation, it's like capeshit with how insane it gets
There are good bits but the female moron ruins it.
book 1
>cool ayy thriller and sci-fi tech
book 2
>more thriller, silly plans to try and stop the ayys
book 3
>woman dooms humanity several times
>author jumping all over the place
>lacklustre ending
1 > 2 > 3
No moron, that's not what the second and third book are about. You don't even fricking know what to focus on regarding their plots in order to summarize them here, because you're a fricking idiot. Just accept it and move on.
Book 3 is awful aside from the based space boys, everything else just exists to piss you off.
Book 1 is mediocre, book 2 is the best because it has the best characters, and the most entertaining premise.
You're a moron who did not understand the books. Let it go.
Book 2 is the best not because of the characters or premise, but because of the significance of its plot line, which you evidently did not understand. However, due to what the 3rd book accomplishes, it simply cannot be said easily to be better.
You're the one who didn't understand the books. Nothing in book 3 is that interesting. The new concepts explored are a mess, and nobody fricking cares about "le end of the universe", or dimension collapsing wankery.
Nothing in book 2 is significant BECAUSE of book 3.
You're a moron. Exit the thread. You lost.
Book 1 is Jerry Pournelle, book 2 is Vernor Vinge, book 3 is Greg Baer
rip vernor vinge
So apparently “Don’t play with God” is this shows version of “cosmic sociology”. How do you think that will play out?
You should read them or you won't have a clue about who Wade is
In this story, because all 3 books kind of start off concurrently, they put all 3 together because that is chronologically accurate, and focus it on Cheng Xin who is Book 3's protagonist, because she is the actual protagonist of the entire narrative.
They very intelligently did this to speed up the first book which is kind of a slog, and to start Books 2 and 3 premises.
They changed Luo Ji (who is the protagonist of Book 2) into Saul Dorian or whatever the frick his name is in the show, and simplified Ye Wenjie who is the protagonist of Book 1, which is somewhat of a shame, but understandable, as Cheng Xin is the true focus of everything.
>Cheng Xin is the true focus of everything
>They very intelligently did this
shit take
Cheng Xin's character is central to the entire philosophical thesis of the trilogy and the final message of book 3, that of selfishness and hard men v selflessness and soft men.
Up until the last chapter, ruthless characters like the Trisolarans, Wade and Luo Ji (archetypical Chinese) always come out on top and benefit humanity with their ruthless pragmatism. When the more empathetic and humanist Cheng Xin (archetypical West) makes a decision instead, this has always led to poor outcomes e.g. the Trisolaran invasion, the delay in developing FTL. Selfishness = you win, selflessness = you get fricked.
The ending then abruptly flips this. The final outcome of all this selfish pragmatism on a cosmic scale is pointless zero sum game wars collapsing the universe. Once you extrapolate the "dark forest" shit up to this level, nobody wins. The only hope left is to wipe the slate clean and have a new Big Crunch and then Big Bang. But so many have now taken refuge in their own pocket universes, and taken matter with them, that this may not even happen, instead there may be infinite heat death into oblivion of a dead, one-dimensional universe with not enough gravity to lead to a Big Crunch.
Uncountable people must now be selfless enough to return to the dying universe and bring their little bit of matter with them. In helping to ensure the universe is reborn, they give up their chance of living to see the rebirth. Their individual contribution will be so small as to be near meaningless, and they have no way to know whether enough others will also do the same. But it must happen, because otherwise there will be no future.
The end is Liu Cixin's final answer to the theme of selflessness versus selfishness, trust versus paranoia. Whereas ruthless paranoid shit has always won the day and brought benefit in the short term, ultimately only selflessness, cooperation and trust will ultimately bring about a positive outcome in the very, very long run.
Yeah, I think you have autism if this was your take-away from the series. Xin's actions have no impact, and there is no value in ensuring another universe because the same reality will come to pass. Matter hoarders are based, Xin is a dumb prostitute forever.
That was just the ending and in now wat the message of the books.
The real message was that acts that can seems selfless can be the most selfish ones. Like dooming the entire solar system so that you don't have to make a morally difficult choice yourself. Liu Cixin has confirmed this himself.
Kino.
I didn't read Remembrance of Earth's Past, but the whole story really reminds me of a fully fleshed out version of The Last Question.
Her stupidity in accepting a position she knew she was unqualified for ended a situation which was mutually beneficial to Earth and Trisolarans, and ended up causing the destruction of most of both societies. Then her unwillingness in allowing a small scale war because it would have killed a few people ended up causing the death of far more. Selfishness vs selflessness has nothing to do with it. Those were simply bad decisions for all involved parties.
Being right in the one last thing she did doesn't retroactively justify or make those decisions any less catastrophically bad nor does it mean there's an underlying "ideology" that's common to all of them that is ultimately correct.
Reminder that she left a little bit of matter behind in the pocket universe, even though it was possible they needed every bit of matter back for the Big Crunch.
Even at the end she fricked everything.
Pretty based take, just finished the entire trilogy and i agree with you. And ultimately Cheng's actions were irrelevant anyway. The MAD still occurred and her stopping the war would have been for the best with the destructive weapons they had.
Based actual understander of the books
The whole point of the trilogy is having a level of faith and trust in other people (or aliens in this case) that they might be fundementally good, and
While it felt a bit rushed, the ending of Deaths End was beautiful and brought a tear to my eye
It's about repeated games. The others were playing 1 round of the prisoners dilemma, but by trusting others and knowing there's another round, you can keep the game going forever, which turned out to be the ultimate objective of life.
Didn't Trisolaris just get total victory? and the pocket universe is also Trisolaran tech.
What discussion? The whole concept would have been cleared if you extrapolated from book 1.Book 2 is just him gooning to his wife. The interesting thing would have been to flip the script by having him actually doing his plan on secret, and the ending reinteprets his actions. Instead lucks out because the ayys got wienery in a battle for their entire civilization. Probably to cater to morons like you, who couldn't even guess the solution when it's in the name.
Gonna be awkward when they make a sword holder out of the trisolaran sympathizer
>Gonna be awkward when they make a sword holder out of the trisolaran sympathizer
only slightly stupider than what they did in book 3
Yes, the "suck diversity balls or you're a stormer" post.
Don't think that's what the anon meant, stupid. Saying, "Slop!," "Jews!," "Diversity a shit!" isn't relevant criticism. It's a story. Have a conversation about it instead introducing your mentally ill obsessions into every aspect of life.
Is this supposed to be bait or is it legit? I can't fricking tell.
A better version would have been 15 episodes long and integrated the judgement day cult with the sophon mystery better. That transition happens very quickly and the show could have been a spy thriller throughout where they solve the mystery and realize what’s up with the sophon halfway through then the stakes transition but not the tone
Oh god, it's Claudette Wyms.
It’s fine, a decent way to pass the time and I enjoyed watching. Not earth shattering but it’s fine
I thought it was unintentionally the funniest thing I’ve watched in years. A stupid train with no brakes.
It's okay
>book 1 is the best
>2 and 3 are not worth reading
>anon regrets wasting time reading them and is now trying to con others into doing the same
>I am moronic.
>HURPA DURPA
>Can't even relay here what the books are about
have a nice day.
Nah book 2 is worth reading, 3 is a pain to get through.
you will never see the aliens, just their human forms and their ships/tech, all 3 books are will they/won't they invade and then literal asspull theoretical science to make impossible things possible. so if you're into all that, stick with it and read the books. the show is nauseating because of the brat pack/the big chill tier levels of cringe in the friend group of geniuses
>the brat pack
should have specified, st elmos fire
>oh man we are all so smart and talented the world revolves around us and only we can save it
the show's best parts are the govt+police vs cult stuff, not any of the geniuses scenes
Can't wait to see Will introduce weed to the ayys. Do ya think Wade included some weed seeds?
It would make it more plausible that they don't pick up on the massive hints he drops.
Lol why would aliens react to weed? Does catnip make you high?
I don't want to be a Wallfacer. I just want to smoke weed and bang mid white-ish women all day.
reading about unfolding a proton was beautiful
Arguably the best part of the book. Now imagine reading a book three times the size of that one, and that part being the entire book. That's book 3.
book 3 had sci-fi but not really that fun
>woman is made guardian and drops the ball right away
>humanity is enslaved and everything sucks
>4D bullshit in space
>dude time jumps lmao
>author sucks himself off with building different kinds of societies
>the micro black hole was pretty cool but the story about a man inside was silly
>solar system going 2D was neat
>trying to decipher weird children stories
>space is all kinds of fricked up with 2D expansion and anti-ftl lanes
>dude let's go live inside a pocket dimension
>uuh ok
>billions of years pass in normal space
>oh wait there is no more normal space because everything is 2D by now
>still, 2D residents asks pocket dimension to come out so the universe can restart
>haha ok we're coming out
>the end
a lot of ideas crammed into the book and most of them just meh
You're still going? Giving me a summary of what Wikipedia says about the plot will not get you anywhere. That is not what the book is about, you absolute fricking moron.
You need to actually understand the book to talk about its contents.
"Weird children's stories"
Man you are a fricking idiot, aren't you?
>Weird children's stories
I think he means the fairy tales that were used to try to secretly convey messages
I know what he means, but his expression of it clearly denotes he does not understand what they meant, or why they were phrased as children's stories, because he's a fricking idiot. He probably does not even remember the details of the stories either.
That shot was wild.
the only thing more boring than this horse fart, is curling.
might as well televise coma patients
>JUST
>mfw they'll completely skip the witch in the past who traverses the 4th dimension to steal a brain
No they won't. They'll use it as a rudimentary showcase to prime the audience for the scene when they disable the droplet, and transfer from Blue Space to Gravity.
I'm reading the second book but I just want to know if humanity wins or not. I dont want to keep reading if they lose
Nobody wins
>I just want to know if humanity wins or not.
Yes on human timescales, no long-term because "lol entropy".
Win what? Against Trisolarians? Yeah. Against everyone else in the universe? Not quite.
But it also depends on what you call winning. "If one survives, we all survive" is a primer for the ending.
Singer wins
Yes, then no, then yes, then very no, then yeah sorta.
Then the universe ends.
>Fermi paradox
the exact moment i dropped this shit
>UGHH THINGS I CAN LABEL ARE CRINNNNGE
imagine I found a good sjack to go with this that looks just like you
>UGHH THINGS I CAN LABEL ARE CRINNNNGE
how am i supposed to get offended when i have no idea what you're talking about?
First book is the best. The ominous mystery and cultural revolution kino was really nice. Realizing that the Tri-Solaris system is Alpha Centauri was the tightest shit.
>ayys have the tech to unfold a fricking proton
>still not able to unfrick their own solar system
>we NEED to go invade a different system
Yes
>What are carbon based life forms?
>How does a planet that can sustain life function?
>How important is water to my species that isn't made out of poison gas?
I hope your job is flipping burgers, and you never do anything that requires any intellect. Don't breed.
Why start massive stellar engineering projects when you could just go and dab on some bugs instead?
What engineering project? Their planet is about to enter one of the suns, they take millions of years to progress their technology by a fraction of an amount, and they are a life form which cannot survive without water.
Tell me Einstein, how do you generate H2O or even D2O or any other type of water from the vacuum of space? Or do you think they should go swim in the atmosphere of a gas giant?
Well, I imagine that if you wanted to un-frick their system you might try to propel one of the suns into another one, and then try to establish a stable orbit for the remaining suns or something like that. My point was that that would be an insane amount of work to do, and it would be far more feasible to just go somewhere else. I wasn't shitting on the book, my dude.
No, you were shitting on the author not setting it up properly, but he did. There is no unfricking the system at their technological level, but they could move to any different system if the system was the problem. It's not. The problem is water, and they're portrayed as a water based life-form intentionally, so that their designs on Earth would make sense. And they do.
They could just go to Europa. Sink the ships under the ice surface. If they can survive space they can survive 2 miles of ice. Have liquid water, Have spaceships for habitation. Actually be stealth in case some one detects humanity and decide to frick up Earth.
>they can’t read our thoughts
Is huge cope bullshit
all three books are great. Only chuds disagree
any of the other books by the same author worth a read?
one of them is everyone on earth getting sterilized, right?
supernova era is cool
1989 tiananmen square massacre
buy an ad winnie the pooh
The show is quite decent actually. It shortens the book plot in a competent way (mostly). It also pulls forward some plot threads like cancer guy in a fitting way.
Da Shi, Tomas Wade, Mike Evans, Ye Wenjie, Jin Cheng (Cheng Zin) are all performed really well. Even Raj is a perfect match for Zhang Beihai in the books.
Any time Auggie is on screen you're in for 100% cringy quips and girl boss stuff.
Sam from GoT is annoyingly quippy as well but he dies early in the season
I have to say, I felt like Luo Ji should have been Chinese, to at least honor the original, or Japanese considering how his life will end.
Now, we are just waiting for Afro Samurai to happen.
>Da Shi, Thomas Wade, Mike Evans, Zhang Beihai
so basically these characters were just so based that D&D couldn't frick them even if they tried
They'll find a way
Yeah basically. The only one they totally messed up is Auggie as Wang Miao. Although Wang Miao wasn't much of a character, she's just pure annoying any time she's on screen.
Wtf are u on about? They butchered Da Shi’s personality.
He’s not as entertaining compared to his book version.
He is le heckin smoking drinking no bullshit detective, not exactly a revolutionary character. He's about exactly as he is in the book, and Benedict Wong does a much better job than the Liu Bei guy in the Tencent version.
Book 2 is really the prime Da Shi storyline.
Book Da Shi has an element of fun to him and an openess to illogical worldly matters that the Netflix version doesn't really show at all. The actor is good but the script doesn't do him justice. He's supposed to contrast the academia by getting straight to the point on everything but his characterization is really diminished by Wang Miao's division into the Oxford 5.
>Benedict Wong does a much better job than the Liu Bei guy in the Tencent version.
This is certified the lowest IQ post in this entire thread
You fletter me but Liu Bei guy is just totally miscast, they just went for the most famous guy they could find.
He didn't have that casual fatalistic acceptance of everything that was going on like Da Shi in the book. Netflix show does it better.
>and Benedict Wong does a much better job than the Liu Bei guy in the Tencent version.
100% bait.
He’s great in season 1. The performance completely sells the question asked by the character’s story: how does some lowly detective end up working for XYZ spy agency?
The answer turns out it’s that detective cool factor of just knowing how to scope out a scene and knowing what can be fricked with and what can’t.
>It shortens the book plot in a competent way (mostly)
Frick no
>Da Shi, Ye Wenjie performed really well
Frick no
>Raj is a perfect match for Zhang Beihai
Frick no
Only good performance, casting and characterization is picrel.
I refuse to believe you honestly think any of this
I honestly do.
The books are great but they drag on and are very repetitive at times. Liu has little confidence that his Chinese audience will pick up the concepts quickly. And the Tencent version is just word for word the book so also drags on.
The Netflix series is good, minus Auggie
I can't believe anyone would actually defend this unwatchable drivel
thanks aliens very cool
I'm literally at the 19 min mark in the first episode and it made me cringe a few times already, again netflix thank you for making white men look pathethic as usual, also really, black science super smart man ? Nice way of breaking the immersion, none of the characters are believeable in any way, I hate the way the throw out sciencespeak when you can tell none of them actually knows what they're talking about, at least pick actors who can sell me stuff like this, does this show get any better ? I don't want to waste a few hours of my life if it's going to be shit like this.
The only Netflix shows that I can watch star Leni Riefenstahl and Hitler.
Anything else breaks the immersion.
have a nice day.
The dialogue is also really shit
A very small part of it. The fact that small part of it is everything to you is because of the nazi flag hanging behind you right now. If you just follow your leader and have a nice day, all problems will be solved.
>A very small part of it.
Try most of it, every scene in the present time in england is garbage, fyi black people are not smart so it's kind of hard to get over the main scientist guy being black.
>does this show get any better
No it doesn't. It's girlbossing and soiencespeak all the way.
Most IRL fighter pilots are fit but extremely cringe nerds like autist psychopaths.
The top gun sexy model hero pilot doesn’t exist.
Those guys are like tanker pilots irl not fighters
it makes no sense.
>they can control self driving cars to kill people
>proceed to be escorted by the most advance tech humans have.
>you almost got killed by ayy controlled self-driving cars
>now let's fly with a fricking plane
>let fricking use a moden plane with fly by wire and and protect him with the internet of things f-35 and drive him in cars with computers.
they should be going full mechanical.
What's the explanation for the particle accelerators being fricky?
I'm not going to make it through this pos.
Is it just lol aliums?
A quantum computer the size of a proton colliding with the particles in the accelerators, fricking the results up in order to delay human progress in physics for 400 years, until the ayy lmaos arrive and assfrick the humans out of existence.
ngl that actually sounds kind of interesting
better than tachyon radiation or whatever at least
It is interesting, and it gets much better than just that. It is also all scientifically feasable, so it's not just imaginary fictional asspulls.
We do much of this already, just not at the ayy lmao scales. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSVHp6CAyQ8
Wait till you learn about book two, it's fricking brilliant.
they send something so advance that it makes no sense that humanity will reach their level in 400 years
it's terrible and a complete waste of time.
>boring, makes zero sense, one of the worst shows I've seen in the last 3 to 5 years
The level of self reporting in this post is just astounding.
Almost as much so as self-aggrandizing pseudointellectualism.
pretty sure you can blame the chinese for sucking at creating stories
its good. the people hating it arent wrong in their criticism but they are way overblowing it. it would honestly be a 9/10 if it were only 6 episodes instead of 8
>it would honestly be a 9/10 if it were only 6 episodes instead of 8
LMAO
It gets better as the series goes on.
Everyone that is white is either a soiboy, dies, or both. The rich soiboy gets killed. His best friend dies from pancreatic cancer and is also shown to show no inititative when it comes to the romantic (he is a cuck to the well-dressed indian). the "based" old white guy in charge isn't shown as a romantic lead because he is so old, so he doesn't count and is a distraction from the above propaganda. the one white redhead girl they show (who specifically mentions wanting to have kids) is killed literally within two minutes of her appearance.
lel...that "Kurdish war hero" really handled ISIS. What a fricking joke.
>First scene is about how degenerate the communist cultural revolution was
>Replace Chinese characters with blacks and women to satisfy post-2020 American cultural revolution leftist demographic goals
Death to America
you guys are really no fun
OP, watched episodes 1-5 with my buddies online last night it was pretty damn good, im excited to see what happens next. people got filtered in ep 5 theres some amazing gore and other shit happens to
is there any wmaf romance?
cracka gets cucked by arab bull
then he dies
Indians aren't Arabs, my moronic friend.
Actor is a paki which is basically arab
Not even I can defend the level of ugly asians in this and I'm usually very forgiving but the main b***h is sandra oh-tier.
Is the english translation of the book a good read or is it bland and confusing because of all the xi li xiao type names?
I already got confused reading crime and punishment because of all the patronyms or whatever you call those russian nicknames.
The first book in particular is very good in making their culture accessible. Just keep a tab on the names.
you’re not looking for genuine input, because you could easily determine this yourself in a few minutes.
youre farming hot takes that you’ll go and pretend were your opinions later, here or in some other social setting.
pretty pathetic that youre so afraid of having an opinion you just parrot others, and have to fish for those opinions.
quality declined after they find out aliens are coming. nano-tech woman was annoying.
It takes the Chinese version 30 episodes to get where the Netflrix goes in four. The Chinese version is closer to the first book, and sone of the Chinese actors like Wang Miao and Da Shi were very good. The Netflix cast is overall unlikable and or cringe and or girl boss/poc bullshit. The main problem with the Chinese version is I can't listen to it on background. At 30 episodes it would be super-comfy to zone out to.
The Tencent series would be good if it didn't omit the struggle session. The book is already massively popular anyways and went by the same sensors.
>The Tencent series would be good if it didn't omit the struggle session
What?
It's not even that consequential that scene got removed. The events still happen. And that version has way more characterization of Ye Wenjie.
What would have really made an improvement is if they didn't hire english teachers off the streets to act as westerners, and not treated the Judgement Day crew as ridiculous cartoon villains.
>he missed how the judgement day crew was all criminals
>What would have really made an improvement is if they didn't hire english teachers off the streets to act as westerners
Oh yeah forgot about that lmao. They reminded me of the evil VIPs in squid game.
>and not treated the Judgement Day crew as ridiculous cartoon villains.
That reminds me, DD really perverted the ship scene by including a whole tiny society in there, along with day cares and civvies.
Wang would not have approved in that scenario.
how the hell did they stretch the first book out into 30 episodes?
>latina
>Black person
>asian
>beta white guy
>israelite writers
>le strong powerful women
it's all so tiresoms
What episode do they show off the trisolaris stuff, I just want to skip to that
EP08 iirc. Just skip to the ship part and watch from there. It's what I did.
Depends what you mean by that. If you mean scenes that actually take place in trisolaris, there's like a 1 min sequence where they show the sophon being made and that's it.
The shows is surprisingly good except for the Auggie/Saul/Jack characters.
The pacing is much better than the book or Tencent show.
>The pacing is much better than the book or Tencent show.
if you suffer from brain damage
I am not the type to complain often about woke stuff and whatnot and I usually enjoy things even if they have flaws
This time around, please read the books if you're interested, this shit will just spoil you for little payoff
Let's be honest, the wokeness is actually really inoffensive here. The original story is irrationally monocultural despite being on an international scale. Everyone who gets anything done at all is Chinese aside from Wade, and Wade's generally portrayed as a villain in their narrative. They never linger very long on pushing diversity, they just kind of throw it in. The worst problem about the diversity in this show is just that it's hypocritical because they clearly just did it to say that they did, but compared to 90% of Netflix representations, it barely matters.
The problem is just that the show isn't really all that good, introduces plot holes that don't exist in the original book, and makes some silly changes like the whole handling of the Oxford 5. It still wouldn't be a good adaptation if everyone stayed Chinese aside from the two white guys and what they're going to do in a couple months if it underperforms is make claims that people only didn't give it a fair chance because they're right-wing bigots.
This despite the fact that most of the complaints are coming from westerners who made the active choice to immerse themselves in fricking Chinese literature in the first place.
>irrationally monocultural
Eat a fricking dick and go to sleep knowing you are the reason movies and TV are shit nowadays.
>Let's be honest, the wokeness is actually really inoffensive here.
I disagree. Two white Americans took a Chinese guy's book and practically wiped their ass with it. They took a bunch of cool Chinese characters and re-wrote them to be American or English.
>The original story is irrationally monocultural despite being on an international scale.
Who gives a shit? That happens all the time in American media.
If we were talking about a Nigerian sci-fi novel, with practically all black characters, and Netflix put out an adaption in which they race-swapped almost all of the characters, would anyone tolerate or defend it?
>watch 5 episodes
>kind of shit
>look up wiki about the chink tv series, holy shit they stretch this 5 episodes into 30. I have to watch the dumb chink woman with her stupid soccer for 20 fricking episodes
>~12 hours with one of the most insufferable characters known to man
>nope png
>see wiki 3 books resume
>people freezing themselves 20 times, time skips, and other frickery
>4d chess as imagined by the beautiful mind of 115 IQ midwit
>the meme from the pic spread into 3 books
>thank you china very cool
There are people who will tell you this is as good as first 3 Dune books. This are CCP shills.
Dune is obviously better but that's fricking dune you moron. Can you just not enjoy cool scifi concepts? Do you not read scifi? You must not because you wouldn't be typing such dogshit.
Thank you CCP shill. Enjoy your 2 yuans.
Holy shit the part were Auggie keeps going on about Wade and Raj murdering the people that gave up humanity to aliens is grating
>Dumb commie Chinese b***h dooms humanity (ruh roh aliens aren't perfect after all)
>Dr bimbo cries about insane traitors being killed but doesn't give a shit about the entire human race being exterminated
Insufferable characters I'd beat that communist traitor to death if I were in the prison next to her. Want to play Helldivers to get the rage out.
When the scene was going on I thought this would be the kinda person who'd be against nuking Japan and literally the next line is something like "the last time we let scientist work together for a war we go Hiroshima" lmao.
Ye Wenjie's "never play with god" joke makes me wonder how much DABID actually understand the dark forest theory.
That small scene came right out of a GOT episode. I forgot they can write compelling dialogue sometimes.
Then it made me wonder why they weren't able to do it here. There is some incredibly shit and cringe talking going on here.
It's a ridiculous theory in the books, because it assumes that logic of aliens is the same as humans at their most pessimistic in their logic.
"Physics no longer make sense! Also, we're very sure about the limits of the universe because of our preconceived notions of physics!"
God, this book series gets dumber the more you think of it.
>because it assumes that logic of aliens is the same as humans at their most pessimistic in their logic
The aliens who don't have the same pessimistic logic get genocided by the aliens who do.
The dark forest theory comes from trisolarians, who’s hostile planet created a culture that assumes the entire universe was equally hostile.
How did the ayylmaos understand Ye Wenjie's joke (and therefore realize they had to kill Saul before he figured it out) anyway? I thought they had no conception of metaphors and parables.
They didn't understand it, Luo Ji was a Wallfacer so they needed to kill him even if they didn't know what he was up to
In the book Luo Ji was only made a wallfacer because the ETO had been told to assassinate him as maximum priority, meaning he was the only guy confirmed to be a threat to Trisolaris even if nobody had any idea why (the reason was that Ye Wenjie had told him about the basic principles of cosmic sociology)
The show does the same thing but in metaphor instead, which the San Ti aren't supposed to understand very well.
Eh. Depends. The book trilogy isn't that interesting in terms of a narrative and more presenting ideas (and the characters are really flat). It reminds me a lot of Isaac Isimov's Foundation series.
The characters? The "improved" part of the book trilogy are fairly stock regarding modern day "acceptable archetypes/stereotypes".
To be honest, I thought the Trisolarans are one of the dumbest alien races ever conceived and the Dark Forest theory has so many problems to it.
>is this a moderate length tv show where i actually get to know the characters and their backgrounds and see how they go through multiple ordeals?
>NOOO IT TOO LONG IT SHOULD ONLY BE 5 EPISODES LONG BUT IT'S NOT SO IT'S SHIT
everyone focuses way too much on the minorities and far too little on the real reasons why this show sucks balls
Why can't we just get along with the aliens? They can move in to siberia or antartica or something. Or they can terraform mars/venus.
I thought this was for grownups, but suddenly magical floating numbers and a VR video game appeared and I realized it's for manchildren and bug people. Does the book have this shit? It's literally cartoon-tier storytelling. Absolutely pathetic
What I really want to know is why they felt the need to keep the name "San Ti" untranslated. What was wrong with the established official name of "Trisolaris"?
The pavement ape actors they hired had trouble saying "trisolarian". It's more than 2 whole syllables, dude.
San-ti does sound kind of like saints or santo in italian/latin. And the way Evans refers to them as my Lord adds a sort of religiousness to it all.
D&D do not get enough credit for simplifying the books material for the average intellectual while also delivering an acceptable story which does not deviate from the original source material
Yep it’s like Dunc it works but only by being very very shallow although without losing all substance
how will they do this scene with the glowie wallfacer now that osama is dead?
They already changed the wallfacers into a woman and some brown dude.
Reminder that the Trisolarians are comically the size of ants and thus won't pose any threat to humans when they arrive.
>Reminder that the Trisolarians are comically the size of ants and thus won't pose any threat to humans when they arrive.
the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - which happened to be the Earth - where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog.
Not cannon you fricking tool.
It was okay. But it didn't really get some what good till like episode 4
Bookbros, does based Wade get frozen and wakes up 100 in the future like he wants to?
Wade lasts a decent time and is the only guy smart enough to fund light speed research instead of wasting time on garbage.
His research is rendered near worthless when it's used by a moron to do nothing of note, and it's the same moron who got him killed because he was being too mean.
Yes. Though in books Wade doesn't show up until the plot is already in the future, he is always a based savage man from the past who carries humanity forward even when everyone is a literal soiboy
Why does every slopflix show look the same and have the same eye rolling dialogue and roughly follow the same plot structure and have roughly the same split of races of characters and
The point in book 2 where things really started clicking for me as a story about an interstellar-scale war was when the general told the NASA dudes to point their most powerful space telescope at Trisolaris to take pictures, which only showed them a blurry smear of Alpha Centauri, but they managed to infer the interstellar fleet's existence, speed and numbers using cosmic dust trails in the photos. I really hope they do this scene well in S2.
This is a show that turned a flickering in the cosmic background radiation into all the star literally blinking on and off.
The show telescopes will probably just produce a HD photo of the fleet in all its glory.
>expecting there will be a season 2 of this flop
>expecting it would have any science after it got butchered from S1
Netflix and apple double book seasons for prestige shows
>start ep2
>a character states that the blinking stars that everyone saw, including him, were not recorded by equipment (implying cameras are not equipment and he's not watching a recording of it on screen
>calls it a bullshit and a deepfake
I think I'm having a stroke. It wouldn't even make sense if I didn't read the books.
He said nothing space-based captured it, speedwatcher.
I'm really interested in the opinions of the people who have no idea what "deepfake" means; do go on, dear speedreader.
I'm also happy there's finally a Sci-Fi show moronic gorilla Black folk like you can appreciate.
NTA but you're being autistic if you don't understand what deepfake means in the context of a dude talking about the night sky blinking
>you're being autistic if you don't understand what deepfake means in the context of a dude talking about the night sky blinking
I didn't, how can "deepfake" explain the stars event
Using deepfake as shorthand for visual manipulation.
If deepfake for us is simply an edited video, and other life are more advanced than us, than the their form of an edited video could seem real and projected onto reality and us think it's real, not unlike how people movies were real when they first appeared.
It's very weird you have a problem with the word deepfake being used despite the fact you know exactly what he meant by it.
In real life, people misuse words all the time because there is a point being conveyed that they believe to override the need for the nuance to be understood
> "le hekin deepfake" I'm such a smart soientist!
Writing for absolute morons.
Thing I don't like =/= Bad writing
Real life scientist do use malapropisms, mondegreens and other linguistic errors
It's nos as good as the background radiations flickering in the books, but it's fairly coherent : he saw stars flicker but none of the actual scientific tools orbiting earth detected it, leading him to believe it's some kind of weird deepfake.
In hindsight he's correct lmao
it's made by that special tribe that we're not allowed to criticise or get banned
just came off a 3 day ban because I noticed too much
so no
I really enjoyed it. Unless you're some terminal basement dweller who absolutely can't enjoy a show if there are non-white or non-male main characters, you'll be fine.
I didn't read the book, but as a TV show, it's good, the plot moves at a good pace and the environments, acting and cgi are quality.
Lol, on Episode 7 now. What is this Curious George CGI.
I have no idea why they wasted so much money and effort for that scene
It’s like Dunc. It’s an adequate adaptation but the first four episodes should have been 10. So I “get” the characters but the mystery of them coincides with learning to care about them so it falls flat. The mystery is revealed as the character arc ends and there’s no chance to relish the character. Although the characters do make sense and aren’t unreasonably shitty.
They apparently took elements from the third book to flavor the ending of the first book so there was more momentum to the story.
The first book is kind of a science mystery and the second is more of a star thriller.
They try to get some of the thriller elements in.
In other words I wish the whole season was the last three episodes in terms of thriller shit.
And they’ll struggle to adapt the books well.
The whole franchise needs to do what the books didn’t and be more of a thriller that lasts longer.
The show feels good toward the end but knowing where the plot is going it’s sort of pathetic
Seeing as the books get longer and longer with each one, I reckon it's good they put in some of book two and three in the first season, that way they can have season two start off quick with a lot of the element having alreadybeen introduced without losing too much steam.
Well, that's if they can get a second season...
It's a nice sci-fi tv series tho, we don't get a lot of those
very rich how the guy who wanted to save the birds from overpopulation was later said to be antivax. what an inversion!
its a decent adaptation (i cant remember anything about the book except for the sophon, hope that scene is cool) but i wonder if they will show bike lock girl murdering the two guys at the base or just skip it
Why the hell are all the male scientists drug addicts? How are they doing serious science when their brains are scrambled by meth?
>Why the hell are all the male scientists drug addicts? How are they doing serious science when their brains are scrambled by meth?
The dude is total Hunter Biden, smoking crack in a glass pipe and banging underage girls, why???
The female scientists are alcoholic or addicted to benzos/SRRI
Also, yeah lots of young scientists in britain smoke weed. You don't want tokniw what the grad parties near CERN are like, I live 50 km from there and these dudes can get high on every molecule known to man
Grad students and weed is a thing now. Don’t worry the west won’t fund science anymore after the dollar collapses
Can anyone who's watched both say whether the Chinese or American version is better? I'm cool with watching the Chinese version if it's better, only thing I've heard is that it's kinda slow at times.
Chink version follows the books practically word for word, omits stuff about the cultural revolution because China. Netflix version butchers the books, includes cultural revolution, but botched it
Watch the Chinese version, the Netflix version is trash. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fricking midwit with shit taste.
the chinese version is 30 episodes so expect telenovela quality. read the books instead
Kojima thought this was pretty good
Why would you trust someone who hasn't made anything good since Metal Gear Solid 3?
better read the books
protip: the story ends in the second book, the rest is bad
Oh come on. All that shit with the spell, the bunker, the bubbles, dual vector foil. Deaths End is an insane book but I agree Dark Forest is the best
You know you're in for a wild ride when your sci fi book about first contact opens with the fall of Constantinople.
Am i schizo, why is everyone saying book 2 is the best part? It was the weakest part for me, with the meandering to a totally predictable conclusion.
If you already knew, then yeah the book isn't all that great, but if you only realized the bleak reality at the last explanation then it's very kino. I also already understood the concept and thus felt disappointed.
>It was the weakest part for me
If all you care about is being mindblown about some twist...
It was not about the conclusion, it's about the path and the discussions along the way.
Frick its like you're one of those morons that thinks this shitflix show is a good adaptation because "it had all the plot points" as if the big setpiece moments had any meaning without all the threads that tie them together.
The book is great and they butchered it. Do yourself a favour, swerve the tv show and just listen to the audiobooks for free online. They have a cool anime vibe
wish they had time to go more in depth with the trisolaran history shenanigans tbh, I would have liked to see shit like the renaissancecore mechanical celestial model or the part where the Trisolarans accidentally disturbed some higher dimension cosmic being while unfolding a proton and then nuked it. Idk why they decided to rush to cover the first part of book 2 when that could have been saved for a second season.
>ITT: holy shit batman the CCP browses Cinemaphile
I binge watched the first 20 minutes of episode 1. This show sucks ass but Auggie Delaminguez is actually pretty cute and has big DSLs.
I just marathoned it (read all 3 books).
Its shit, the Chinese setting was the whole point and soul of the book, also Shi Qiang was fricking ruined, overall you hear mean spirited woke shit every 10 minutes or so even though they whitified and westernized the setting, its completely schizophrenic and misses the point of the book.
Just read/listen to the book, the character dynamics are miles miles better.
I like how Netflix brought all the characters together. But the Cheng Xin stand-in is way too b***hy + ugly. Part 3 is a romance between a cute girl and simp, just can't imagine anyone liking her.
I can list off a dozen woke schlock netflix B-series that for all their faults are at least entertaining and not a total snoozefest like this show.
I actually thought Saul was fine. He didn't do much but he was a good friend to cancer man in his last days. There have been worse racelifts.
Just finished episode 3. Enjoying it very much so far.
Will they renew for season 2?
So does Will's character analog ever become relevant again? In the books does his analog return?
Yes, he is a stand in for Yun Tianming, who appears in Deaths End. I believe he will be there at the end of the series
He's the co-protag of the 3rd book. Everything that happens in the 3rd book is because of him.
At least the Panama scene was kino.
>At least the Panama scene was kino.
It was stolen from the 1968 book "Stand of Zanzibar" in which terrorists slice up a ship full of troops in the same way with nanofibers.
EVERYBODY CALM DOWN.
where's the magnet?
is it a bunch of filler interpersonal drama or more plot driven problem solving. don't care about id pol or salty book gays
Sophon is supposed to be a beautiful Japanese woman